Class D Airspace rarely, if ever, has an approach facility. They typically don't even have radar. In the case of the military, it seems if they do have an approach facility and it's named the same, then that would count as your permission to enter Class D. With Class D and C, all you need to hear back is your call sign, and that gives you permission to enter.
@@angleofattack cheers mate. All I ever remember about the difference between civilian & military towers was they had different sets of colours flashing at night!! 😜😂
@@angleofattack Check out 7110.65Y "The pilot is not expected to obtain his/her own authorization through each area when in contact with a radar facility." It's still widely debated and I don't believe there's any case law, so always good to ask.
I really love capturing video but sometimes I miss shooting photos. There’s just something about photos and capturing a moment that I really like. Thanks for the compliment!
I mistook Jason for you last summer at Oskosh (in the campground). In my defense, at the time I mostly just listened to his podcast, not as much his TH-cam and had only just started watching your channel. I now watch both of you regularly!! You both have such great content!! Keep up the great work!!
Was great to see SAC Exec again in your video. I grew up in Sacramento and visited the airport frequently dreaming of flying one day. Good info for sure and great views with Jason. I learned something new as well when you talked to Travis approach. Thanks for posting and collaborating with Jason on this. Great video Chris....CLEEAARRR!
So from my ATC school. I believe even in the civilian world an approach controller can call the tower and initiate what’s called a “point out”. It’s essentially allowing a controller assume positive control of an aircraft that is in another controllers or controlling agencies air space. This would be done without the pilots knowledge.
Nice!! Thanks for the trip down memory lane! I trained at KEDU (University), where I did my private and most of my instrument training. It was a regular thing to talk to Travis App right after takeoff, for flight following! Even the frequency ....pretty sure it was 126.6 ... is burned in my memory! 😂 KSAC and KSMF were a regular thing too, for "controlled airspace" practice. Very nice and laid back controllers, who were patient with my numerous "noobie" screwups, back then!! 😂 And yes, did the bay tour a number of times, and it NEVER gets old!! Although they can sometimes deny the transition when they're busy. I was denied twice on my way back from KSQL.
Coit tower was a donation to the city as a tribute to the SF firefighters who worked the great San Francisco earthquake and fire in 1906. Its architecture is to emulate the shape of a firefighter's hose nozzle.
I replied to it in another comment. Essentially there was a spring within the gas cap that wasn’t allowing it to fully tighten and we had to figure that out before we were willing to leave. I was too busy helping him deal with it to really care about filming.
What was the gas cap thing fine Jason learnt from you? I own a similar 1975 cessna and was curious as to what you taught him and was wondering if I could learn something too
Wish I filmed it, but we were busy trouble shooting. There was a spring that was kinda loose, preventing it from being tight. We wouldn't have flown, but we figured it out and got it fixed.
@@angleofattack sounds a little like the door covering the gas cap on a Hyundai I recently rented. There wasn't an internal lever or switch to open the little door when I wanted to fill up the car. It was one of those spring loaded doors you had to push on from the outside. Thing is that the spring on the door latch would remain locked unless the key was turned to the 1st click of ignition. Weirdest situation I ever saw!
@@angleofattack Oh right that's interesting aswell. I fly in the UK so watching your videos in Alaska is inspiring but also very instructive, also during this video the military airspace class delta taught me alot aswell as I am currently trying to learn the airspace system in the US. As always keep up the long videos and short ones aswell
I’ve been told that even in the Civilian world, you can be cleared through Delta while talking to approach. This happened to me in Dallas when approach vectored me through a Delta. I asked if I needed to talk to tower and was told I didn’t that they were responsible for coordinating.
That class Delta transition stuff is a really interesting topic. The Opposing Bases podcast has a really good episode about it, but I unfortunately can't remember it, so had to do some digging elsewhere. Seattle-area legend and CFI Bruce Williams has a great blog post about it (link below) with links to the appropriate legal docs. TL;DR: the 7110.65 (ATC's version of the FARs) in section 2-1-16 instructs approach controllers they're supposed to coordinate class Delta transitions on behalf of VFR pilots on flight following, but FAR 91.129 and AIM 3-2-1 state the pilot has to obtain two-way radio communication with the controlling agency (the Delta tower). In the September 2017 issue of Air Traffic Procedures Bulletin, the FAA clarifies that ultimately, it's the pilot's responsibility to make sure they have the appropriate airspace entry clearance. Since initially learning that, my approach, when on flight following wanting to transition a class Delta surface area, has been to call up the approach controller and explicitly ask for coordination through the Delta or a handoff to tower. That way, there's absolutely no confusion. bruceair.wordpress.com/2017/10/19/transiting-airspace-with-flight-following/
Even in the civilian world it can work that way. Just a few miles south, heading to Palo Alto northbound through SJC Charlie - it’s not incommon for norcal to hand me off to Palo Alto and bypass Moffett tower even though we go through Moffett airspace. And Palo Alto extends pattern traffic into Moffett airspace all the time - all coordinated behind the scenes.
Awesome video Chris. You and several other TH-cam personalities are such an inspiration. I am hoping to begin my flight training someday soon, and love to come here and get quality content and pointers. Keep up the great content and fly safe. I also have a very crazy question for you. What is the song you have playing at the end of this video? I have heard it somewhere else before and it eating me up that I can't figure out what it is. Lol
Hi Chris Check out "opposing bases pod cast " An excellent and humorous pod cast about ATC. They have discussed at length. That if you are talking to a controller, they will coordinate your transition through other airspace such as class c or d. If in doubt they recommend just asking the current controller about the airspace in question Then there is a record on tape.
There’s a really tall and robust cluster of radio towers to the west of the city and I think it was just over powering because we are fairly close to it. Maybe it was just a perfect frequency that was close to something else, but it really messed with the plane. Once I switched to another frequency there was no problem
Lmao 🤦♂️😂 man showed the bay bridge footage and said “San Mateo bridge” I’m dead 🤦♂️😂 oh and btw I have been flying a bay tour for the past 2 months every weeke🥵😍😍 lucky me huh?
👋 Welcome! What is something new you learned about aviation from this video? Chime in!
Hi Chris, could you please re-state the difference between civilian and military regarding class D transitions. 🤔
Class D Airspace rarely, if ever, has an approach facility. They typically don't even have radar. In the case of the military, it seems if they do have an approach facility and it's named the same, then that would count as your permission to enter Class D. With Class D and C, all you need to hear back is your call sign, and that gives you permission to enter.
@@angleofattack cheers mate. All I ever remember about the difference between civilian & military towers was they had different sets of colours flashing at night!! 😜😂
@@angleofattack Check out 7110.65Y "The pilot is not expected to obtain his/her own authorization through each area when in contact with a radar facility." It's still widely debated and I don't believe there's any case law, so always good to ask.
Great job Angle of Attack, beautiful scenery!
2 of my favorite CFIs in 1 plane? Sounds great to me!
Dude! That shot of Jason in the bank is AMAZING.
I really love capturing video but sometimes I miss shooting photos. There’s just something about photos and capturing a moment that I really like. Thanks for the compliment!
Just love it when you guys collab together with other YTers. Jason is just the best!
He is. I genuinely like him as a person and consider him a friend. Of course, he's a mentor as well.
Thank you sir! Super fun to have Chris in the FIRC!
Fun video! Coit Tower that you flew over is a memorial to San Francisco volunteer firemen who perished fighting fires in SF.
Jason is awesome. True pro. Great instructor. Love Learn the Finer Points.
WOW, just learnt something new today. Chris and Jason are different people!
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Following both of you guys! Great video, amazing views.. This is why we like flying! 👏🏼👏🏼✌🏼✌🏼🤩🤩
I mistook Jason for you last summer at Oskosh (in the campground). In my defense, at the time I mostly just listened to his podcast, not as much his TH-cam and had only just started watching your channel. I now watch both of you regularly!! You both have such great content!! Keep up the great work!!
It is awesome hearing you guys talk about Travis approach flying out of nut tree in Vacaville we talk to them all the time.
Was great to see SAC Exec again in your video. I grew up in Sacramento and visited the airport frequently dreaming of flying one day. Good info for sure and great views with Jason. I learned something new as well when you talked to Travis approach. Thanks for posting and collaborating with Jason on this. Great video Chris....CLEEAARRR!
Great video. Nice scenery. Looked like a fun time.
Wow! That was a gorgeous video! Thanks!
Kick ass video Chris! I like the way the delta approach controller worked you. He was very friendly and accommodating!
Good to know about the Travis deal. I fly from Napa all the time.
Great video Chris. Stunning views and interesting chats between you and Jason. All very different to my flying here in the UK. Thanks for sharing. Tim
I would love to fly in the UK some time, though.
Angle of Attack If you find yourself here in the UK you welcome here anytime. 🙂👍🇬🇧 Tim
CLEAEEERRR!!!!
ClLllleeeEEEaaaAaarr!
@@angleofattack I stand corrected.
He started a thing with this. I am going back through all my videos and finding all the times I said that! CllllEEEaarRRRRR Prrroooop!
So from my ATC school. I believe even in the civilian world an approach controller can call the tower and initiate what’s called a “point out”. It’s essentially allowing a controller assume positive control of an aircraft that is in another controllers or controlling agencies air space. This would be done without the pilots knowledge.
Super cool video as always! SF looks beautiful from the air. You guys should do more collabs, already looking forward to the next one!
Great flight
awesome video !!! Thanks for uploading
Glad you liked it!
Another Great One !!
Nice!! Thanks for the trip down memory lane! I trained at KEDU (University), where I did my private and most of my instrument training. It was a regular thing to talk to Travis App right after takeoff, for flight following! Even the frequency ....pretty sure it was 126.6 ... is burned in my memory! 😂 KSAC and KSMF were a regular thing too, for "controlled airspace" practice. Very nice and laid back controllers, who were patient with my numerous "noobie" screwups, back then!! 😂 And yes, did the bay tour a number of times, and it NEVER gets old!! Although they can sometimes deny the transition when they're busy. I was denied twice on my way back from KSQL.
Great views, great flight, great instruction. What more could you ask for?
Thanks for sharing.
You’re most welcome! I guess maybe we could have had more food?! But food isn’t fun to watch, only eat.
Coit tower was a donation to the city as a tribute to the SF firefighters who worked the great San Francisco earthquake and fire in 1906. Its architecture is to emulate the shape of a firefighter's hose nozzle.
Im still hangin on Chris !!!!
Nice job on the video.
Very interesting convo w approach about the Delta. Jason said he learned something else from u about the gas cap. Did I miss that?
I replied to it in another comment. Essentially there was a spring within the gas cap that wasn’t allowing it to fully tighten and we had to figure that out before we were willing to leave. I was too busy helping him deal with it to really care about filming.
Yep, saw your other comment after I posted, sorry. Glad u got it worked out. 2 fun aviators, 1 vid. Looking forward to more collabs
What was the gas cap thing fine Jason learnt from you? I own a similar 1975 cessna and was curious as to what you taught him and was wondering if I could learn something too
Wish I filmed it, but we were busy trouble shooting. There was a spring that was kinda loose, preventing it from being tight. We wouldn't have flown, but we figured it out and got it fixed.
@@angleofattack sounds a little like the door covering the gas cap on a Hyundai I recently rented. There wasn't an internal lever or switch to open the little door when I wanted to fill up the car. It was one of those spring loaded doors you had to push on from the outside. Thing is that the spring on the door latch would remain locked unless the key was turned to the 1st click of ignition. Weirdest situation I ever saw!
@@angleofattack Oh right that's interesting aswell. I fly in the UK so watching your videos in Alaska is inspiring but also very instructive, also during this video the military airspace class delta taught me alot aswell as I am currently trying to learn the airspace system in the US. As always keep up the long videos and short ones aswell
I’ve been told that even in the Civilian world, you can be cleared through Delta while talking to approach. This happened to me in Dallas when approach vectored me through a Delta. I asked if I needed to talk to tower and was told I didn’t that they were responsible for coordinating.
Matthew Walters yeah this happens often with NorCal and KOAK. They hand you off to tower only once you’re almost entering the pattern.
That class Delta transition stuff is a really interesting topic. The Opposing Bases podcast has a really good episode about it, but I unfortunately can't remember it, so had to do some digging elsewhere. Seattle-area legend and CFI Bruce Williams has a great blog post about it (link below) with links to the appropriate legal docs.
TL;DR: the 7110.65 (ATC's version of the FARs) in section 2-1-16 instructs approach controllers they're supposed to coordinate class Delta transitions on behalf of VFR pilots on flight following, but FAR 91.129 and AIM 3-2-1 state the pilot has to obtain two-way radio communication with the controlling agency (the Delta tower). In the September 2017 issue of Air Traffic Procedures Bulletin, the FAA clarifies that ultimately, it's the pilot's responsibility to make sure they have the appropriate airspace entry clearance.
Since initially learning that, my approach, when on flight following wanting to transition a class Delta surface area, has been to call up the approach controller and explicitly ask for coordination through the Delta or a handoff to tower. That way, there's absolutely no confusion.
bruceair.wordpress.com/2017/10/19/transiting-airspace-with-flight-following/
Even in the civilian world it can work that way. Just a few miles south, heading to Palo Alto northbound through SJC Charlie - it’s not incommon for norcal to hand me off to Palo Alto and bypass Moffett tower even though we go through Moffett airspace. And Palo Alto extends pattern traffic into Moffett airspace all the time - all coordinated behind the scenes.
Coit Tower is a memorial to the many firefighters who sacrificed so much in saving San Francisco after the 1906 quake.
I don't think I've ever clicked so fast on a video
Good!
HAHA, right on
Flying in England restarted CLEAAAR. Whoop Whoop
CLEEEEEEAAAAR
I was watching an advertisement about the BOM attachment under wing backup for instruments. If you didn’t eye it, check it out?
Awesome video Chris. You and several other TH-cam personalities are such an inspiration. I am hoping to begin my flight training someday soon, and love to come here and get quality content and pointers. Keep up the great content and fly safe. I also have a very crazy question for you. What is the song you have playing at the end of this video? I have heard it somewhere else before and it eating me up that I can't figure out what it is. Lol
You’re most welcome! Glad you find it inspirational. Would love to help you out with ground school when you’re ready. Give me a shout!
@@angleofattack I will definitely keep you in mind for that. Thanks again
NIce!!!
Thanks!
Hi Chris Check out "opposing bases pod cast "
An excellent and humorous pod cast about ATC.
They have discussed at length. That if you are talking to a controller, they will coordinate your transition through other airspace such as class c or d.
If in doubt they recommend just asking the current controller about the airspace in question
Then there is a record on tape.
What was the fuel cap tip Jason referred to?
What is the "gas cap thing" that Jason mentioned he learned?
What is frequency cross over and why does it make that sound?
There’s a really tall and robust cluster of radio towers to the west of the city and I think it was just over powering because we are fairly close to it. Maybe it was just a perfect frequency that was close to something else, but it really messed with the plane. Once I switched to another frequency there was no problem
Angle of Attack thanks for the reply!
Lmao 🤦♂️😂 man showed the bay bridge footage and said “San Mateo bridge” I’m dead 🤦♂️😂 oh and btw I have been flying a bay tour for the past 2 months every weeke🥵😍😍 lucky me huh?
you were flying in my space, I've done that flight a number of times....re Class D...ATC is all you need, not tower
Yeah, we were more just curious about how it worked, because it was a little different.
@@angleofattack I think you had it right - Jason a little confused
I learned what my CFI was wearing at the FIRC. ;)
BAHAHA
Get rid of the long ad & I'll watch your video.
What long ad?