Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Lower Decks 4.2 - I Have No Bones, Yet I Must Flee
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That adorable "Moopsie" followed by the complete breaking of character that was "Oh F**K! The Moopsie is free!!" nearly killed me.
In Boimler's first new quarters, I thought "Why doesn't he just make the window opaque?" Then, at the end, Rutherford does exactly that. Great gag, fun moment. Well done. 😀🖖
Haha right? The whole time I was like "there must be a way to tint those windows otherwise these rooms would be unliveable" lol
Two things that I’m surprised you didn’t mention. 1. Ensign Gary asking if Mariner and Ransom were going through a break up. 2. Ransom’s enormous teeth.
If they don't market a talking plushie of Moopsy, they''re insane because I would buy one in a heartbeat. As long as I was assured it wouldn't drink my bones.
Until then, one could cut the ears off the plushie for the Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog. I need to rewatch the episode to see if any of the three yelled "Run away."
its just poro
One thing that was missed is the title of the episode, it’s a play on the title of Harlan Ellison’s short story “I have no mouth and I must scream”
A Star Trek TOS author, BTW!
Twovix is a pun title too I guess - I wonder if they'll do pun titles for the rest of the season
Yes!
I really love this episode, but that title truly takes the cake. It's the hardest I've laughed at anything in a long while.
Shaka, when the walls fell/Sean setting up the green screen. Also you assume the Romulans decloaked willingly, the other ship likely caused the cloak to go offline
This was my exact thought, we knew they decloaked but did they know?
Same thought, I mean it can do a klingon, it could also do the same for a romulan
That was my take. The cloak went down unexpectedly.
Besides, the fact that it was at the right position to kill off the romulans,should have involved some detection, too.
Sean, when the the green screen failed 😂
I really like the reveal that Rutherford has been turning down promotions, as it makes a LOT of sense. I’d actually wondered how he hadn’t been promoted in the past.
Same. Although I'm watching _Enterprise_ right now, and if you thought Harry Kim had it rough, just *how on Andoria* do you justify Hoshi or Mayweather still being ensigns by the start of Season Four?
@@GSBarlev For Enterprise, it’s different rules. Remember, at that time, there were only two starfleet vessels with crews of this caliber, the NX-01 and the NX-02. With the lack of people, it would be hard to promote others while maintaining the hierarchical balance.
For Harry Kim, that was just a writing decision. It really didn’t make any sense to have an ensign be a senior officer while there were lieutenants that were not.
@sijdnsd6460 Not only that, but Janeways also says that it would upset the command structure if too many people got too many promotions. The only reason why Tuvok and Paris got promoted was because Tuvok was chief of security as a Lieutenant. And Tom was promoted to his original rank after a demotion, so it didn't upset any balance. B'Lanna didn't get promoted was because of her provisional rank, she never graduated the academy and never went through command training so she couldn't go above Lieutenant.
I like Ransom showing proper Rikerisms here. He is the Commanding Officer, the crew are his. The Captain is a strategic leader etc Ransom is stepping right up and cares. I used to hate him but here he was so great.
Juxtaposed to LAST season where he intentionally screwed up a mission just to mess with Mariner.
I'm sorry but he should have gotten DEMOTED for that. Hell, he shoulda spent a night in the brig for that.
There was some growth from Ransom, as well. Mariner's reputation was poor, and Ransom was put off by it at first - but got to know her and realized she COULD be great with the right CO, and he determined to step up to help her instead of write her off like the others did. It was indeed a great moment!
he's the perfect example of deflanderization.
Even in season one he seems to know how to manage Freeman when she gets a certain way
I love Ransome, I am concerned about his new teeth though
My favorite line this episode is Rutherford saying, "I just ask for things I deserve?" And the reply of I mean well yeah.
I feel like that line and Billip's response are a minor commentary on modern corporate life. One of the main reasons women are paid less than men in the corporate world is because statistically women are less likely to outright ask for a raise or a promotion (obviously individuals vary considerably). Because men - on average - ask for "what they deserve" more often than women do, their managers give it to them more often.
I witnessed this at my own work, though in this case the "squeaky wheel" who constantly asked for raises was actually a woman. She ended up being paid considerably more than any other employee (actually, as much as her managers haha) even though she was incredibly hard to work with, racist to the point she made other (much better) employees quit just with her general attitude, and wasn't attentive or good at her job. Thankfully she eventually got fired after going on a racist rant that left even her friends speechless. Good riddens Tammy. It shouldn't have taken so much hard work on your part to get yourself booted.
GOT YOU! The red child in the "menagerie" was NOT a reference to the original series totally, maybe partially, it was a reference to the ZOO IN ORVILLE! Ed and Kelly are kidnapped and put on display and the people that do it LOOK LIKE THAT CHILD!
LIVIC is CIVIL spelled backwards, and field engineers and civil engineers are constantly at odds, since it's TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT that sometimes end up working together. I kind of forgive you for missing this one since it's probably an American thing.
I thought I remembered this from startrek XDD
@@ShredPerspectivesWorks Orville will be very proud that it did such a great job that people confuse it with Star Trek in their memories. That is the highest compliment for the cast and crew of the show, who wanted to make a Star Trek series and apparently succeeded.
As an Australian engineer I can confirm that despising civil engineers is not just an American thing even the archenemy of all engineers, architects, despise them.
I'm calling it now, the mystery ship is transporting the crew and leaving the ship destroyed. We see debris, including the Klingon's spear and Romulan Commander's chair, but no bodies.
My thoughts exactly. The real question is who? My guess I'd that the menagerie episode hints that the ship is gathering a similar collection.
@@Blasted2Oblivion I'm thinking it's Transporter Duplicate Boimler and Section 31.
Another forked version of the Borg trying to remind everyone that they are important and you should fear them?
@@edwardsmith7131 I would really hope they don't try to do the borg again
@@NeilBlumengarten I'm thinking it's the AIs from the "doomsday" warehouse at the Daystrom Institute that we saw last season. Peanut Hamper. I hope not, but that's my guess.
Rutherford’s rivalry was probably a Seinfeld-Newman Easter egg.
As was the red light blaring into the quarters, a reference to the chicken restaurant whose red neon sign blared red light into Kramer's apartment.
THANK YOU I felt like I was the only one getting Seinfeld vibes from the "Livik" and the bright red light through the windows.
The fact that Livik growled "Rutherford" at the end confirms that he knew what was up. And the "playing favorites" bit is even justified because you can't just promote two ensigns like that-in addition to earning the level-up there also needs to be a _slot_ in the T/O.
Agreed on both references (Newman, and Kramers neon sign dilemma) I recognized those right away
Jeff Winger and Todd
Not sure how popular Seinfeld was in the UK but there were a couple low key references to the show:
1. The Rutherford Rivalry = major Seinfeld/Newman hatred vibes
2. Boimlers room with the blinding nacelle view = the ep where Kramer had to deal with a blinding neon sign outside his window
I wish they had a scene where someone visits Boimler and sees the red light and is like "Boimler, what's going on in there?" OR a scene where Boimler says "That red light is burning my brain!" in the Kramer fashion lol
I feel like this was a Seinfeld episode. The red lights were like Kramer’s apartment in that one episode, and Rutherford was acting like Jerry when he says, “Newman!”
Moopsy was fooled by the teeth, they're not actually made of bone but primarily enamel and dentin...haha, what a silly creature. Ransom's new veneers are huge, damn.
They were probably like jellybeans, a sweet snack for Moopsy.
This slightly bugged me, too. I usually suspend my disbelief with Star Trek, but I've had this argument before. Bones heal, teeth do not. Moopsy is so damn cute, though, Imma let it slide.
Moopsy.
I thought they could regenerate teeth....
The assumption is that both are made of calcium. Hence the milk commercials.
I love that Mariner has *finally* gotten some solid character development. Side note... same for Ransom. I did not expect that from him or this show for that sake. Nice work by the seriously underpaid and under-respected writers and performers.
he initially hated being her mentor when Freeman assigned him that job at the end of last season, but now he's doing his best to help her grow
I appreciate that even though he may have started as kind of a parody of the macho hypermasculine First Officers we've gotten (ehem Riker) he is actually treated as a real character with actual emotional growth and development, not just a repeat one-note side character.
@@NixonRules963 Riker isn't "macho hypermasculine." People are just obsessed with blowing him way out of proportion and overexaggurating his actual personality.
@@connorgonzalez4023 He is quite frankly one of the worst First Officers in the fleet because he puts his stubborn pride before logical reasoning. Remember in "Darmok" where he almost started a war with another species without contacting Starfleet Command at all?
I thought "Baby Bear" was Shaxs' name for only Rutherford after everything they'd been through together. If it's Shaxs' name for any crewmate with a lower rank whom he likes/respects, that was really sweet and unexpected.
Edit: makes sense now that I remember Boimler sang in the Bajoran Dirge Choir, for which Shaxs was really appreciative!
Shax started calling Boilmer that for giving him the opportunity to eject the warp core.
In the finale for season three he admits Boims to the Bear Pack for letting him live his dream of ejecting the warp core. He's Papa Bear, and the other members of the Pack (which Ruthy joined in season one) are the Baby Bears.
Do they even have bears on Bajor?@@allengilbert7463
It was real Bold Boimler actually telling Captain Freeman to shut up and listen to Shaxs' plan to eject the warp core. I'd have a tough time imagining Season 1 Brad telling her to shut up. It was the right call and bought enough time for Marnier to get the reinforcements there.
The bear pack is any lower officer Shax admires and Baby bear seems to be for newer members.
I like Moopsie as a creature. I want a plushie and an STO combat pet. You also missed Boimler has a SNW Enterprise model.
I like how they establish earlier in the episode that they can't take phasers to the menagerie, which explains why they couldn't just stun the Moopsy.
1) Moopsy is flipping terrifying and I love it! 2) I so want a Moopsy stuffy!
buy poro xd
I would give a massive up to the musical score. The music is consistently amazing, especially for a 30-minute weekly cartoon!
A couple of observations - the music cue that it used when they are running away from Moopsy is taken from Jurassic Park when Dr. Sattler is running away from the velociraptors in the shed.
Also, the POV shot of Moopsy is very similar to the POV shot of the Borg in First Contact.
I was thinking the same thing about the score being so good. Was planning to listen to it to get to sleep sometime 😅
I just knew that Mariner and Ransom's moment would be the Latinum Up. She's so lucky that Jack was there to be the CO that she needed.
I hope that we see more of their bonding throughout the rest of the season.
Tendi's first order would have been my Latium Up, but I'm a little bit of a simp for my _Mistress of the Winter Constellations_
@@GSBarlev Who isn't? A kind and smart woman who could utterly destroy you but won't because she is kind is great.
to me, the Latinum up was the final look at the lower deck quarters with the lights off...
Season 4 looks like it could be one of the best seasons yet. Moopsy!
I gotta say, im gonna miss the bunks. They were a nice fun writing device that gave us an excuse to see how close all 4 characters were. I look forward to seeing how the writers fill the void
Personal opinion...probably completely missing the mark here. I felt like the little red kid being a jerk to the Humans in the menagerie was *maybe* just an ever so slight tip of the proverbial hat to "The Orville". In Orville"s second-ever episode, the two lead characters were also in a menagerie and were taunted by a similar looking child.
I'd like to think so too.
I was thinking that too.
true! I thought I remembered this from startrek XDDD
Am I the only one who every time Rutherford said "Livik"with his first clenched heard Professor Farnsworth going "Wernstrom!"
👋
Which both probably came from the Seinfeld-Newman rivalry
@@edkwonWhat's a Seinfeld-Newman rivalry?
Moopsie! I love how over the top the Romulans in the opening were, they were just chewing the scenery with their 'clever fiendishness!'. I also just love the fact that Mariner MAY be realizing her issues via Ransom.....who is showing some MAJOR depth, he is a lot more then a meathead and i love that this season is letting him show that. I love that Shaxs is so helpful to members of his bear pack - even people that aren't actively security (side note: Bajoran bears are Pack animals maybe ?). i think Livik did know, he was looking super smug every time he beat Rutherford to something. also on T'ana being so violent on the holodeck...i wonder if thats because she's Caitian and is using that as an outlet for instincts she still has, given she's a doctor and not a tactical officer ?
(Fan theory: Mariners 'Maverick rule breaker' personality is a defense mechanism from being a junior officer in the dominion war and not wanting to....have that responsibility again because she may have had to issue orders that got people killed and she didn't get the help she needed to cope with it because the Dominion war was AWFUL? She needs a Tellarite or Klingon therapist who wont take her crap but will also once helping her realize things will say 'now let's unpack all of that shall we?')
How are we just glossing over that the scene we got on the warbird was with *the Romulan Lower Decks?*
So, keeping a running tally, thanks to _wej Duj,_ we've gotten a "view from the gallery" for:
- The Federation
- The Vulcans
- The Klingons
- The Pakled
- The Borg (ty StarTrek YT for having that 1hr loop...)
- The Romulans
Can't wait to see who we get next.
Frightening thought, could this be Rutherford's ship that he developed when he was a cadet. He created the Texas-class A.I. we don't know for sure what happened to that ship after all. How often have A.I. tech run into one another and upgraded one another... TOS
@@GSBarlev The Ferengi, maybe? It'd be too much to hope for Jem'Hadar lower deckers, but maybe Cardassians?
@@GSBarlev I kind of wonder if the Borg contacted in the last episode is the same one as the lower decks one there
Damn your fan theory is absolutely proven correct, right down to the Klingon therapist.
Loved both episodes! Lower Decks continues to mature as it goes. The growth of the characters, the Cerritos... It really has become the Enterprise of the California Class, and is a hero ship in its own right. I love this show. It's quickly become one of my favorites.
What I really enjoy is that it doesn't fall into that trap that a lot of animated series do where characters may grow in one episode but then regress to pre-growth in the next. I understand that a lot of animated shows are more serialized and self-contained in their episodes but sometimes it just bothers me when one character exclaims to want to treat another or just others in general better by the end of an episode and then goes back to their old ways in the next.
That mystery ship just makes me think of a Enterprise NX-01 era shuttle pod every time I see it.
you missed the tool Rutherford was using at the end. That was totally a 10th Doctor (ie Dr who) sonic screwdriver. Trek is known to have Dr who references dotted in it such as the names of the actors showing up on a TNG computer screen in engineering.
I had to go back and YES! It was totally the Tenth's sonic!
Livik's evil smile at the end was a total Badgey moment. Beware Rutherford!
I also noticed that when Rutherford was fixing that thing in his quarters at the end, the sound of the device he's using sounds just like the 11th Doctor's Sonic Screwdriver.
In reference to the first down with the Romulan Captain asking "how did they detect us?" - if you listen to the dialogue, before they de-cloak, the bridge crew inform him that the ship is directly blocking their path, implying that it knew they were there even before they decloaked... the captain knew they decloaked, thats why he yelled as one of his panicked orders, to re-cloak the ship...
I'm definitely rolling up stats for the moopsy to use in my D&D campaign. 18 charisma. 4d6 piercing damage, dc 15 con save or have a bone removed and be at disadvantage on future attacks. My absolute favorite thing I've seen in months.
In the Farscape TV show there was an episode with a bone eating creature that we thought ate one of the main characters but she didn't because that character was plant based. Also, humans in zoo was both in the Animated series and in The Orville.
Let us not forget the classic episodes of Lost in Space The Keeper parts 1 and 2, where the Keeper tried to get Will and Penny as part of his traveling zoo
A bone vampire also appears in an episode of Futurama. Sci-fi seems to love the idea of something that can liquify and consume bones.
That one even came from a planet of Scottish stereotypes called Doohan 6.
@@JayStrang1 lol, I forgot that one!
@@JayStrang1 Yes! The Bonus Vampirus, attack type J
@@hamobu thumb up just because Farscape 😻😺
The thing about the holodecks not being soundproofed - I think it's the same issue as the viewports red lights, where it was literally just a setting for the room. Which the person who was in it last, probably thought "This'll be a great prank, I'll turn off the soundproofing for the next guy." And yes, it wasn't a thing on DS9 but that was a Cardassian station where spying on your workforce was kind of wanted, walls have ears, etc.
Edit: Wait, is the human in the menagerie drawn in TAS style, with the skin colour being the eyes?! Deep cut. (I'm going off the still frame in this video @ 20:49)
Alternatively, the junior officer's cabin is where the soundproofing *would* go, but they had to squeeze crew quarters in there. In my head canon, the California Class was created to fill a bunch of crazy conflicting requirements*, so there are compromises all over.
* perhaps like the US Navy LCS class (aka Littoral Combat Ship or more accurately Little Crappy Ship.)
If I remember right from some of the holodeck malfunction episodes involving things outside of them, you can hear what's going on inside of the tubes around them
@@suedenim Or the Columbia class Space Shuttles of NASA's STS program. They had a lot of cool designs that could have fulfilled the "reusable craft that can get to space cheap and often" niche that SpaceX is now filling (and others are starting to embrace). But one dumb design requirement after the next was tossed at the engineers, from cross-range abort capability to having to build in the capability to return heavy payloads to Earth to having to use specific subcontractors (can't cancel the program if all 100 senators and at least a couple hundred House reps are all being bribed by subcontractors to keep it active. And that means you need a major subcontractor in every state, and they have to have major facilities in at least different 200 districts. It's a nightmare). In the end they ended up with a marvel of brute forced engineering that kinda sorta worked, but fulfilled almost none of the original goals of the program.
If you want a capable machine of any type, you have to pick and choose what you're going to spend time and money massaging into good working order through painstaking iterative engineering. You can always create a new version later with new capabilities added on once you've got the core functionality in place, but you'll never fix the core functionality if you go for a massive "launch or bust" topheavy program approach. It literally *always* fails to give good, reasonably priced results (because engineering doesn't work that way, but managers rarely understand that).This applies to everything from rockets to ships to buildings to websites. Bad management requirements kill programs... and sometimes people.
Rutherford did mention that the Cerritos wasn't meant for so many crew in the Minuki mask opening story. If they overpacked the bottom ranks, they may have also taken shortcuts to cram other low rank crew in.
@@jasonwalker9471 Very true. There are a lot of interesting ideas in the LCS, like a modular design concept that theoretically would let a ship go from specialized missions like anti-submarine, mine clearing, anti-air, special operations support... just by swapping out its central section kinda like LEGO.
Trouble is, the LCS also had a requirement for a top speed of 40 knots plus, which nobody ever articulated a good reason as to why it was necessary. And on top of all that, I believe not a single one of the LCS modules has gone into production, so instead of a wide array of specialized missions, the only mission the LCS can actually perform (sorta) is that of an overpriced Coast Guard cutter. (And to their immense credit, the USCG refused to let the USN dump the LCS on them, and the Navy is currently looking for allied suckers to take the damn things.)
tl;dr I can very easily imagine logical explanations for all the California Class's weird design features.
14:06 Ransom’s growth from “just another fast-tracking #1” to a “potential Riker-style #1” was an even bigger payoff for me. 😎
I loved Narj, particularly how totally ossified he was.
I honestly just felt sorry for the poor guy. He was just trying to run his menagerie in an honest and legal way, and how'd he end up? Getting accused of sabotaging his own exhibit and then having his ossifications sucked out. Narj deserved better.
It was obvious straight out the gate that Ransom was aware of what Mariner was doing, and that he was using a strategy against it. But his reasoning for WHY was deeply moving. Up until about the middle of Season 3 they've both been frequently put forward as somewhat two-dimensional characters. I'm glad they're getting some real development as multidimensional personalities. Also... Tendi has (since Season 2) landed as my favoritest character (with Shax being a hearty runner-up) 😻
I like to think that the reason that Ransom was so one dimensional was in large part because we see him mostly through the eyes of Mariner and the other lower deck crew and that beginning to see him more clearly is part of her character growth.
I liked Tendi from the very first episode (her "wait... it did?!?!?!?!" in that episode cracked me up). But she's just gotten better and better, despite having more limited screen time than Boimler or Mariner. My favourite main characters go Tendi>Mariner>Boimler>Rutherford, and not coincidentally, that's pretty much the order in which the level of character development goes.
* Tendi has gone from a cheerfully optimistic person with little ability to stand up for herself or control her "I need everyone to like me" impulses to a take charge badass who is shooting for command. She hasn't changed her core personality, she's progressed and grown as a person in a believable way.
* Mariner has gone from a damaged PTSDed ("can't stand by and let another friend get their face eaten") self sabotaging psychopath who was only allowed to remain in Starfleet thanks to a combination of nepotism and her being truly gifted in several different areas to being... less of a psycho, and to slowly healing some of her internal damage. Being in Starfleet on a frontline ship "messes. you. up." in Tendi's words from season 1 episode 5. Mariner is far from perfect, but she's finally starting to accept the mental health help she so badly needs, and allow herself to get close to others again. All while continuing to be an even better badass space adventurer, because now she's willing to work as a team rather than a lone wolf.
* Boimler has gone from being a timid "by the books" brown-noser to being Bold Boimler, and being willing to ignore an incorrectly timed order (last episode from Ransom) or violate protocol right to the captain's face (season 3 finale) in order to do the right thing. He has a ways to go as this episode shows. He couldn't even figure out how to get quarters that suited him, or to adjust the freaking windows. Ask for help when you need it dude, rather than telling other people what they're going to do to help you! ("I need new quarters sir" instead of "sir, how can we fix these quarters so they measure up to Starfleet's standards? Oh, adjust the window switch? Hah! Silly me amiright? Thanks!") Boimer has a bad case of something adjacent to Dunning-Kruger that needs to be fixed before he'll become a good officer.
* And Rutherford... learned about his implant I guess? And that he use to like pears and racing but can't remember any of that so it has no real effect on him? I like Rutherford and he's hilarious, but they just haven't spent the time on character growth for him that they have on any of the others. Even Ransom and Freeman have gotten more. And that showed in this episode, because I can imagine season 1 episode 2 Rutherford doing exactly what he did in this episode. And he kinda did, in that early episode. And for exactly the same reason too. Almost zero growth.
I expect this to be a T'Lyn heavy season growth-wise just because she's a new character (similar to what DS9 did with Ezri in season 7), but I'm hopeful we spend some time bringing Rutherford's growth as a person and an officer up to the level the others have all already seen:).
And if you notice the sounds coming from Rutheford's tools, I could have sworn I heard a Sonic Screwdriver from Doctor Who.
About Livik.
In the immortal words of Barney Stinson:
“He always been our arch enemies. He only just revealed himself”
The way Rutherford curses him is like "Newman" from Seinfeld.
This season has already started off on a strong foot. I can't imagine how much fun the rest of the season will be at this point.
I always figured Mariner's thing was she didn't want to rank up and be in charge of people because she had, and lost some of them during a bad mission and doesn't want that responsibility again.
Yeah that would have made sense. But it's totally still in the cards that she had some traumatic experience in the past. I really hated how they handled Rutherford's dark secret in the end, it was banal and pointless. So ... second chance i guess.
One thing: I swear that the view of the nacelles from boimler and later rutherford's quarters is a callback to the view of the neon sign of the chicken roaster restaurant from Kramer's apartment in Seinfeld
Omg every time that creature said mpsy I laughed my head off and kept saying it lol
Not just me then ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The moment I saw Moopsie in one of the trailers, I already knew that it would be one of the deadliest creatures ever seen on Trek. Its like tribbles on steroids! Still it is so damn cute!
Can I just give an up for Sean being the best at playfully toxic apologies? We appreciate your hard work, Kris (I assume you are reading this and are not completely stuck in Starfield again)
I'm giving an Up to Mariner having a starfleet logo on her gym kit everywhere you'd get a Nike or Addidas logo if you bought such clothing today. Shorts, shoes, sweatbands, everything had a logo. Beautiful.
She looked pretty hot in it too 😘
And the Ferengi think they're the big ones in merchandising. Ha!
@@Brasci just read that as 'big bones' in advertsing..... must be feeling a bit moopsyish 😆
The thing i loved most about the Rutherford subplot was how the improvements got smaller and smaller and smaller, almost to the point of virtual non-existence. "I made the replicator 5 femtoseconds faster!" - a femtosecond is a quadrillionth of a second.
I'm positive the Feeder Of Val kid was there as a reference to the second ever episode of The Orville where the 2 main lead characters are in the same "People Are Alike All Over" scenario, and their captors/zoo keepers are red skinned aliens who see all other races as beasts.
you totally missed the Seinfeld references. The Rutherford rivalry is totally the Jerry and Newman rivalry. And the room flooded with red light is when they built a Kenny Rogers Rosters next to Kramer's apartment and it was flooded with red light from the neon sign. Not Star Trek reference true, but still funny
Kenny Rogers (country singer) Roasters, not Kenny Loggins (Footloose singer)
@@edkwon haha ya realized that after I posted
My mate and I both have a theory, mine is that Livik is going to team up with Badgey and my mates is that Livik is the living embodiment of Badgey hence why he was working on all the things that Rutherford was doing to try and get the promotion. Guess we will see how it plays out over the season.
"I Have No Bones, and I must Flee" is almost certainly a reference to "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream" by Harlan Ellison
Loved this episode, and of course the Harlan Ellison reference in the title. (Though "I Have No Mouth" is such a grim story.)
In some ways it's a pretty optimistic story, even though the world it's set in is indeed griiiiiiim. The main character deliberately sentences himself to a near eternal torment in order to save others from the same fate. There is no one to remember his sacrifice, no one to sing his praises. He does it simply because it's the right thing to do. At the end of humanity, he shows the best qualities of the species under the harshest of conditions.
@@jasonwalker9471 And suffers eternally for it. Ain't that just the way.
@@Brasswatchman Not eternally. It's noted in the story that there are limits to how long the AI can last. So both he and the AI will die... eventually.
you missed the sound of the tool he was using at the end of the episode it was a sonic screwdriver
Tendi seemed to have the model of the Cerritos her and Rutherford were building in the Doopler episode.
You missed that Shax & Ransom weren't just doing a Crusher/Troi workout, they were in the SAME OUTFITS!
Also, one of the Antideans mentioned in Cetacean ops was played by Mick Fleetwood of Fleetwood Mac.
If this episode's Ransom continues as he is, he'll be the best XO in Star Trek. Also, I hope we keep Toofy Ransom for at least one more episode and the entire bridge crew is super weirded out by it.
I honestly loved this episode. I would be with Boimler and forgetting that they can turn those down. I didn't even think about it :D
Loved that they put Romulan lower decks in the episode! Don't recall seeing them in the series before.
My favorite line is probably Ensign Gary who when the curator is attacked by the moopsie screams, "HE'S CHUGGING HIM!"
Already drawing up a pattern for a Moopsy plush. I neeeeeed it so badly I'm making it myself.
With a squeaker in?
@@Seal0626 *GASP* OMGOMGOMG!!!! Yessssss.
To me, Boimler's action figure didn't look like mirror Archer but like Kirk in his green wrap-around uniform. There was also Spock from the Star Trek movie Uniforms 2-6.
this^
Mirror universe Archer when he is on the ship from our universe. He's got that costume at that point
Yes, I know; they even have the picture in the video. I still think it's Kirk because it's the more common look for him. Anyway, you can't see if it's Kirk or Archer, so it's just speculation either way. @@tiffinylawrie
A soon as you saw moopsy, you know some serious shit was about to go down!
Sadly, mostly from the trailer. But definitely once it was out of its cage, you knew someone was about to die horribly.
You missed that the title of the episode is a reference to Harlan Ellison's short story "I Have No Mouth, Yet I Must Scream".
This Ep reminded me of a Seinfeld Episode. You have the Blinding "Red Room" from when Jerry stayed in Cramer's Apartment. And the Livik Rivalry is clearly the running Gag of "Newmen!"/"Jerry!"
I'd like to think the 'bone vampire' was an interesting and terrifying creature..........if futurama didn't do that previously with Mister Peppy. At least it was cute and didn't have acid spit.
I was expecting Mariner to invoke Emergency Landing Plan B. B... as in Barricade. (He can't be serious!) when landing the shuttle.
Also, I am fairly certain Boimler quarters between the holodecks was also a holodeck.
This was a fun episode but the main mystery has me. What is this ship and why is it attacking Allies and enemies of the Federation?
Badgey, Agimus and Peanut Hamper (I hope).
Well the Klingons say it has one biosign...
I felt a quiet nod to Orville's command performance with the vibe of the "zoo"
I think the Romulan commander was wondering how they knew to be there and set up directly in their path, not how they could see them in that moment.
My favourite thing about the mystery ship is that it is clearly a re-dressed and NX-01 Shuttlepod. Much as they would have re-dressed models in the real world, like the innumerable shuttle stand-ins
Oh God! Then the one life sign aboard must be... *TRIP TUCKER!*
Arrrrg. I knew it looked super familiar, but I couldn't place it. Thank you!
David Soul was in “The Apple,” but the photo used in this video is not him. Soul played the confused and curious young lover Makora, who saw Chekov kissing his girlfriend, then tried it with his own lady friend. Soul went on to co-star in his own massively popular series.
That cute creature drinking bones has to be a nod to Futirama
The implication with the decloaking Warbird is that it was the first casualty of the mystery ship's hacking, and the Sub-Commander assuming it was sabotage from the Lower Deck!Romulan.
I caught two Seinfeld references. The most obvious was a reference to Jerry/Newman and how Jerry would always say "Newman!" The other was the red light in the room, made me think of the Kenny Rogers chicken sign in Kramer's apartment.
Even better... when the Swamp Goblers catch sight of the Moopsie, one hides and the other cowers and looks about to piss itself...
You can also see the humans messing with the panel when they first appear at the beginning, and the panel upside down ever since. CONTINUITY
I like how Mariner is a pretty accurate (albeit comedic) take on someone with trauma. Like, especially after the Starbase 80 thing which must have set back her expectations of being given a fair shot by her commanding officers. Even though she's trying to be not like that any more, it's very difficult to shake those bad experiences and move forward.
What I'm loving about this season so far is how hard you're having to fight to find downs. It's been so good, let's hope it keeps going. Also, thanks as always for all the cetacean observations, I can watch the episode and just enjoy it, knowing that I can come back here for any small things I missed - I knew there would be a load in this one.
Thank you Sean (apologies for missing the proper accent/lettering). Thank you to you and the whole team and Trek Culture. Your videos for the last 12 months (at least) have been a godsend. Keep up the good work.
Hope to bump into you/any of the team at a convention someday.
The red nacelle in Brad's first room screams Kenny Roger's Chicken across from Kramer's apartments in Seinfeld
Ups and downs, like this show is quality wherever we be, enjoy your journey and thanks 🙏
Love Ups and Downs... possibly the best video series on Trek Culture
Between the bussard lights and Rutherford going “Livick!” or whatever had big shades of Seinfeld and I loved it.
Up: The freaking name of the episode! Very TOS, while parodying Harlan Ellison’s short story title. So, so good
I was so waiting for this one, particularly: Cetacean observations
Excellent work guys. Thank you so much for your hard work. It’s so fun it makes my day until next time Livelong and prosper.
THANKS for this, TrekCulture!!!!
I'm going to start a theory that the mystery ship will approach the Cerritos and destroy it too. Perhaps at the beginning of the second to last episode. I aslo believe both crews are still alive. The beam is on the ship for a while before it's destroyed, so it most likely transports everyone first.
think its section 31 boimler ?
I think the cerritos will def be destroyed at some point so they can have a Cerritos-A as a call back to the original enterprise and the defiant getting KO’d and replaced with the same class.
Great breakdown and really great hosting man!
A little detail I loved is that the doll Boimler talks to and is constantly carrying around with his stuff is "Mirror-universe Archer" and you can see he's even in the revealing Mirror-universe uniform. It's just funny to me that Boimler would seemingly be into collecting the dolls of "evil versions" of Starfleet heroes lol
Are we not going to mention that the overall plot of the humans in the zoo is a nod to the Orville when they put Murser and Kelly in a zoo
That was the first thing I saw, too, especially with that red kid looking in.
@@QuantumShow2022 and it was a red skinned alien kid too
Second one was great fun. Your reviews are great fun too. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada
The tile is an allusion Harlan Ellisons "I have no mouth yet I must scream," and he wrote City on the edge of forever
Those "Tucker Tubes" also appear in the movie "Airplane II: the Sequel."
Where William Shatner also complains that he has no idea what they do.
Seán Ferrick and Kris Thompson are respectively the Ebenezer Scrooge & Bob Cratchit of Trek Show reviews😅--With a caveat that both are the **Christmas Day** post-haunting celebrating duo from A Christmas Carol...
The sheer joy and back & forth comedy: Seán's call outs, and Kris' editing punchline prowess (yes, Kris, I actually said that)...🤣😂🤣😂 Priceless!!!
I just noticed now how cleverly done the trailer for the new season is. You can't see their new rank insignia in the trailer. Nice.
Loved both episodes.
I know it is early, but I'm calling this the best season of Lower Decks. So genius and so fun.
The tubes aren't just star trek, they were in a LOT of scifi. V (1983), The Last Starfighter, The incredible Hulk Returns, The Flash, Star Crystal, Alien Nation, Airplane II, Lois & Clark Season 2. It was designed in 1977 at Modern Props designed by Modern Props owner John Zabrucky.
regarding Billups "I don't even know what we use these for"; the names for this prop are either 'dual generators with rotating neon lights inside an acrylic tube, light-controlled panel with knobs and buttons', or simply as 'blinking tubes without function'. I consider this a call out
The Moopsy is similar to the Bone Vampire from Futurama but it can lul it's prey into lowering it's guard which is deadly then the Bone Vampire and it can squeeze into tight spaces to reach it's prey
I came here to comment this exactly, but since you already did, tip of the hat to you. Mr. Peppy would be a great playmate for the Moopsy. I gotta say, the extra cuteness of the Moopsy is a great contrast to its bone sucking needs. "We are ALL named Angus". Moopsy!!