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  • @mikebarushok5361
    @mikebarushok5361 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    A wiser person than me wrote that: "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"

    • @FranLab
      @FranLab  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      American poet Kris Kristofferson.

    • @goodun2974
      @goodun2974 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@FranLab, Kristofferson was also a Rhodes scholar! A smart man indeed.

    • @goodun2974
      @goodun2974 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The most necessary external component of life isn't being able to live "free", it's being able to live in *dignity* and allowing others the same.

    • @TheTrueVoiceOfReason
      @TheTrueVoiceOfReason 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "Nothing don't mean nothing honey if it ain't free"

    • @goodun2974
      @goodun2974 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It also occurs to me that if you commit a sufficiently horrible crime you can be unalived by the state, but if you're old and sick and dying most states will not allow you to unalive yourself with medical assistance so that it won't be painful.

  • @zaran1
    @zaran1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    People always want more freedom, but people always forget, the more freedom you have, the more duties and responsibilities you have too. If you want 100% freedom, you must accept that you are also 100% accountable for every consequence of everything you say or do.

  • @johnr8813
    @johnr8813 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    You can live in a vacuum if it's big enough and the bag isn't too dusty! 🙂

    • @Firefly12569
      @Firefly12569 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Together with the spiders :]

  • @markritacco270
    @markritacco270 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Being able to see things is a curse as well as an awakening because usually you/we are often not believed and mocked.

    • @goodun2974
      @goodun2974 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In a world awash in conspiracy theories and where crazy or psychologically unmoored people are constantly screaming that the sky is falling, it's hard to recognize a real calamity in the making when you see it. Can't always tell the "chicken littles" of the world from the prophetic or visionary wise men..... And when a boy cries "Wolf" but you don't believe him because you've been fooled before, you might run the risk of you, or your livestock, being eaten.

  • @CrayolaVerde
    @CrayolaVerde 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Over my life I have also found security to be an illusion.

    • @Firefly12569
      @Firefly12569 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also you can't escape your faith, even if you take every safety precaution you could think of.

  • @hirampriggott1689
    @hirampriggott1689 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Devo - Freedom of Choice:
    A victim of collision on the open sea
    Nobody ever said that life was free
    Sink, swim, go down with the ship
    But use your freedom of choice
    I'll say it again, in the land of the free
    Use your freedom of choice
    Your freedom of choice
    In ancient Rome, there was a poem
    About a dog who found two bones
    He picked at one, he licked the other
    He went in circles, he dropped dead
    Freedom of choice
    Is what you got
    Freedom of choice

  • @BohemiaBees
    @BohemiaBees 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I think there is a vast difference between biological freedom and behavioral freedom.
    While you’re correct on many fronts. You may not have a biological freedom you have a choice of how you will act and react. That’s what freedom describes.

    • @monad_tcp
      @monad_tcp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it took me 30 years to accept behavior freedom and biological freedom are probably 80% overlapped, you very little freedom of will, your behavior is decided by biology.
      the blank slate hypothesis is a lie

    • @bobblacka918
      @bobblacka918 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes you nailed it. There is no "Absolute Freedom" to do anything that might enter our imagination. But everyone has the freedom to choose between doing what's right and doing what wrong, even if it would benefit us at the expense of harming someone else.

    • @monad_tcp
      @monad_tcp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      not even computers, a x86 doesn't have the freedom of a Turing machine to interpret anything, it has microcode firmware, you can install any software you want in the empty memory, the machine is still that machine

    • @goodun2974
      @goodun2974 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      One person's freedom can look like oppression when applied to somebody else. I prefer the term dignity. Conduct yourself with dignity and allow others to do the same, and if somebody is depriving you of your dignity then you have the right to become indignant!

  • @_SurferGeek_
    @_SurferGeek_ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "Best worst option." Perfectly describes the upcoming US election.

  • @deerfish3000
    @deerfish3000 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    "FREEDOM OF CHOICE IS WHAT YOU GOT!
    FREEDOM FROM CHOICE IS WHAT YOU WANT!"

    • @clutch2827
      @clutch2827 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Was thinking the same thing. DEVO FTW!

    • @deerfish3000
      @deerfish3000 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@clutch2827 Haha! While wearing my L.A. Rams ear protectors, do I choose the gun or the grenade? Hmmmmm...

  • @Voodoodrul
    @Voodoodrul 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    “Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage” 🤔

  • @seanofpeace
    @seanofpeace 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thomas Sowell said, "There are no solutions, only trade-offs."

  • @EEVblog2
    @EEVblog2 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    You can increase your odds of glitching the simulation and changing cages by taking risks and making bold changes as circumstances allow. May the luck be with you.

  • @CARLiCON
    @CARLiCON 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice..

  • @kathrynlittle2523
    @kathrynlittle2523 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    IMAO… an authentic wisdom perspective… and why I watch your channel. Thank you, Fran❣️

  • @kaymart8703
    @kaymart8703 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Indeed it is a prisonyard world. It doesn't help that the societies we've designed tend to aggravate that fact exponentially

  • @spottydog4477
    @spottydog4477 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Choose how you want to live, just don't expect everyone to see it your way

  • @jkhristopher
    @jkhristopher 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nice perspective with my coffee this morning. It is a matter of perspective. The power I have is in how I frame my thoughts in this state of existence we all share.

    • @carlosgaspar8447
      @carlosgaspar8447 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i think that's existentialism in a nutshell.

    • @michaelmoore7975
      @michaelmoore7975 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Whoever controls the desire, controls the relationship.
      This applies to almost all aspects of life, not just interpersonal.
      It could be food. Drugs. How much YT a person watches. Money.

  • @michaelmoore7975
    @michaelmoore7975 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The illusion of freedom is one of the best controllers.

  • @jessicav2031
    @jessicav2031 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Freedom not from laws of nature or societal requirements grounded in good reasons (though those reasons will always be debated and that is okay), but rather, freedom from arbitrary control by other humans who are simply interested in their own power.

  • @seriouskaraoke879
    @seriouskaraoke879 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Oh Fran...I love ya, I really do. But I must say, the older you get the crankier and grumpier you 've become. I say this regularly watching your videos -- "cranky old boomer".
    Life sucks, then ya die. Ha! True but funny in that nihilistic way.
    ~hugs~kisses~hugs~

    • @FranLab
      @FranLab  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      That's cranky old GEN X to you!

    • @seriouskaraoke879
      @seriouskaraoke879 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@FranLab -- Oops my bad. I'm the cranky old boomer. ha!

    • @mikebarushok5361
      @mikebarushok5361 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We cranky old boomers might prefer to be called curmudgeon. Sometimes.

    • @michaelnitschke9872
      @michaelnitschke9872 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I tend to agree with you but I also find myself getting more cranky, but as I like to refer to it ( I am getting more intolerant of other people's ignorance or stupidity)

    • @seriouskaraoke879
      @seriouskaraoke879 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@michaelnitschke9872 -- Yeah, me too. That said, I actively try to keep nostalgia at bay and keep an open mind on things that are just generational issues and customs.

  • @goodun2974
    @goodun2974 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    " If if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice", Rush.

  • @KeritechElectronics
    @KeritechElectronics 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
    How about a nice game of chess?

  • @greycover3972
    @greycover3972 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video, thank you. That is also my point of view on freedom at this time. When I need to explain my point of view on freedom I will just link your video.

  • @motodude23
    @motodude23 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The just passed a law in az that prohibits anyone under 18 from riding a dirtbike offroad - like all the children's motorcycles are illegal now

  • @amphibiousone7972
    @amphibiousone7972 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm aware of Responsibilities and Obligations

  • @bazodee2
    @bazodee2 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Working hard is a cage in itself. Work/life balance maximizes freedom.

  • @tubehound8
    @tubehound8 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Freedom is being free of the need to feel free.

  • @GadZookz
    @GadZookz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thanks for this. When you shift to the big picture I always learn from you. Just wondering what made prompted you to reflect on this today? 👍🏻

    • @FranLab
      @FranLab  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Answering questions and responding to comments in my livestream.

  • @brianmoore581
    @brianmoore581 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Okay. But what aspect of existence are you trying to get around? Freedom to not breathe? Freedom to breathe under water? Freedom to do illegal things? Sharpen those thoughts!
    For me, I would be satisfied with free money! And living in a relatively free society, which I do.

  • @martinwilkinson2344
    @martinwilkinson2344 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There's a car near where I live that has a bumper sticker: "My life, my rules". I can't help but have a little wry smile every time I see it!

  • @XSpImmaLion
    @XSpImmaLion 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And that's only for the overall concept.
    It's even more limited than that in practice, which is something tons of people don't really get. At least it should be, in modern democratic societies.
    The concept of freedom got slowly corrupted and reduced into what it has become today (for too many people in the US and other nations) - a rhetorical device for the privileged status quo to shout and complain about.
    It has nothing to do with what it originally aspired to be (freedom from oppression), and the ones who appropriated the idea for the opposite of what it originally signified are also the ones who needs to understand why it came to be historically the most.
    It was never meant to be a rhetorical device for the rich, privileged, prepotent, holier than thou class. Much like other democratic concepts, the way you judge how well your country is doing on the matter of freedom is from the bottom up. Not using the idea only for a rich privileged class.
    It's from the experience of the poor, the minorities, the ones subjected to all forms of prejudice, the most disadvantaged, the ones who got a bad start in life and whatnot. Which should give people a better idea on how low the US has fallen already.
    Because in working functional democracies, the concept of freedom is always a general concept, not an individual one. It's not about individual liberties and freedom - it's about liberties and freedom for the country as a whole. It's supposed to be a community and society level ideal, not something that self centered egotistical assholes claim for themselves and themselves alone.
    Your freedom should stop when it interferes or blocks the freedom of others. That's the whole thing about the concept in a democratic society. Individual freedoms are limited by laws and by the freedoms of those around you. It is this limited, because it is a social contract, inside a democracy.
    And how many people still don't understand how this concept came to be on the justice and politics level has all to do with what the country is becoming, because too many people still don't realize how far down society has already fallen.
    US is a very rich nation, for the few. When you take count for the incarcerated population, how limited choices for minorities are, how government and justice has been chipping away the rights of entire categories of the population to give it back to the old status quo, how much violence and oppression has been taking away from the livelihoods of Americans... it starts looking as what it really is - America might be in it's lowest point on freedom since a very long time ago. Freedom from oppression and freedom of society as a collective has been flagrantly taken away in chunks for several decades now, to favor a few radical privileged rich people that are part of the status quo. And it really starts showing up when all the cracks are being exploited to extinguish the few freedoms those who have the least conquered over blood and tears in several decades or centuries of constant battles.
    But this is only one among several other misunderstandings and failures in American politics and justice today... which is also not a situation exclusive to the US, just to be clear.

  • @daviderickennedy2194
    @daviderickennedy2194 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You think just like me, it' nice to know I am not by myself.

  • @scottthomas3792
    @scottthomas3792 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was in a similar discussion in the '80s...except bubbles of light were used instead of cages.

  • @trydowave
    @trydowave 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Freedom is death." Me. 2024.

  • @verdedoodleduck
    @verdedoodleduck 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Such a good topic. It's a pretty direct analogy, on a personal basis, to the Anthropic Principle (you know that, though :)).

  • @clutch2827
    @clutch2827 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage.

  • @trydowave
    @trydowave 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings". Optimus Prime. 2007.

  • @michaelmoore7975
    @michaelmoore7975 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Whoever controls the desire, controls the relationship.
    This applies to everything in life. Not just interpersonal.

  • @weldonparmley8147
    @weldonparmley8147 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Freedom of choice not really, dam lie ! here in the US, at the federal level, you cannot make choices on the items listed : You fill in the blanks. I have less choices than some .

  • @smokyplum8830
    @smokyplum8830 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To practice Freedom in a shared place needs Trust & Love.

  • @tedmich
    @tedmich 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I stand by my initial statement. You may not enjoy the CONSEQUENCES of these choices they are there nonetheless.

  • @artstrology
    @artstrology 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Some people eat peanut butter toast. I do not. Not without banana slices.

    • @goodun2974
      @goodun2974 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I like a drizzle of honey on my peanut butter toast.

    • @brianmoore581
      @brianmoore581 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@artstrology bananas give me heart burn. But I like bananas. They tell me I have a heart.

  • @d5whilmer
    @d5whilmer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is one free to except and live with consequences? Can one create the reality they live in? When do we separate the biological function of our lives from the reality we create?

  • @joshuamacdonald4913
    @joshuamacdonald4913 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am interacting to help with the algo.

  • @mastershake1187
    @mastershake1187 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "its the best you can do for yourself. work hard to get the most space in your cage that you can get."... what if working hard for yourself means contributing to a system that runs on keeping peoples cages small so a very few others cages can be massive? hell no! ill be a low value, menial laborer till i die! and when its time for me to go, i promise you it will be time for a few share holders as well

  • @matthart9251
    @matthart9251 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am still just a rat in a cage

  • @patriciodasilva7902
    @patriciodasilva7902 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Life is like a game, and for a game to be a game there are limitations of freedom. They are called rules and for a society they are called laws. Those who advocate ridding society of laws in order to have freedom wind up with anarchy, and there are no anarchies, true anarchies in the world. The reason there aren't as they are chaos, and chaos isn't freedom, either. Society with rules is the natural order of things. Many lower life forms have their own leaders and rules, once they acquire a basic level of intelligence, such as chimpanzees, gorillas.

  • @ScottfromBaltimore
    @ScottfromBaltimore 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This reminds me of the question "Can God create a rock so heavy that God could not lift it?"
    Thankful I can do some things - it's all going to diminish and end one day.

  • @hirampriggott1689
    @hirampriggott1689 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I get claustrophobia in elevators.

  • @azzabar
    @azzabar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One can be truly happy when one is content in ones cage.

    • @mastershake1187
      @mastershake1187 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      that sounds like some new age honky-buddist " im totally fine with the world going to hell" BS

  • @RickJones222
    @RickJones222 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Freedom is not an illusion to someone who is truly oppressed and watching others enjoying a life they wished they could have. To those people, parsing definitions is meaningless. Happiness, fulfillment and a life that has meaning, not freedom, is what most people are looking for.

  • @goodun2974
    @goodun2974 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    " 5 to 1 baby, 1in 5/no one here gets out alive....."

  • @maulaucraw1209
    @maulaucraw1209 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fran, your voice is accepted and even appreciated here.
    Existing As Love.

  • @lachlan1971
    @lachlan1971 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sadly, my country is under the yoke of a foreign power. So, freedom here is limited by corruption.

  • @lorensims4846
    @lorensims4846 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There are ALWAYS options. Many may not be obvious. Some better than others in one way or another.
    Freedom is measured by how many options you have.
    Money can vastly increase your available choices, but it's not strictly necessary.
    Air is usually always available. Shelter and food can be found with a bit of effort. Money will help here.
    Control, in the form of societal norms, or direct force, or personal health can constrict your choices considerably, but sometimes money can help here too.
    You CAN live underwater or in vacuum, but those involve a LOT of money.
    Benjamin Lay decided he didn't want to own or eat anything that had been produced by slaves. In the pre-revolutionary American colonies this was a radical idea. He is said to have lived in a cave, growing his own food.
    Ben Franklin's sister had a portrait of him on her wall.
    But there are ALWAYS choices.

    • @FranLab
      @FranLab  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      As I say, always choices - but making choices does not mean that you are free. Remember that those choices are provided to you. And those who are in the highest parts of the social pyramid are the ones who have the most positive perspective of choices.

    • @goodun2974
      @goodun2974 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@FranLab, gotta love Ben Franklin, but he was a cagy old bird, skilled at arguing himself out of a corner. He kept a journal of a trip to Europe that included an account from being at sea, where the ship stopped at the Grand Banks to fish for cod, some of which was roasted on board that evening. Although he had previously become a vegetarian, the fish being cooked smelled so good that he was sorely tempted; He remembered watching the fish being cleaned and seeing how they had smaller fish in their stomachs already and so we concluded "I don't see why, since you eat each other, I may'nt eat you as well; and so I dined on cod most heartily. 'Tis a wonderful thing to be a reasonable creature, since it allows us to make up a reason for whatever we want to do".

    • @johnwsimpson3153
      @johnwsimpson3153 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Freedom comes in degrees.

  • @Barbarapape
    @Barbarapape 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Feedom is a privilege than is controlled and can be taken away.
    All we can do is is enjoy what we have whilst we can.
    Happiness is feeling comfortable to live within the rules of society.
    Even if you choose to drop out and live off grid, the rules of nature
    control what you can do.
    t

  • @mr.zafner8295
    @mr.zafner8295 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is Bir Tawil

  • @DimasFajar-ns4vb
    @DimasFajar-ns4vb 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    peace be upon you

  • @GR8FLMD3AD
    @GR8FLMD3AD 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Money is evil

  • @filepz629
    @filepz629 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🛸

  • @captmulch1
    @captmulch1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Philadelphia Freedom?

  • @HansVanIngelgom
    @HansVanIngelgom 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks. I feel a lot better now.

  • @MySynthDungeon
    @MySynthDungeon 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well said ,Fran! Cheers!;-)!

  • @joerubes
    @joerubes 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And the Meek shall inherit the Earth.

    • @TheTrueVoiceOfReason
      @TheTrueVoiceOfReason 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "We've taken care of everything
      The words you hear, the songs you sing
      The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
      It's one for all and all for one
      We work together, common sons
      Never need to wonder how or why"

    • @joerubes
      @joerubes 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheTrueVoiceOfReason I rest my case! kind of scary huh ?

  • @trukxelf
    @trukxelf 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the only true free act is done out of neccesity;

  • @BrokenKanuck
    @BrokenKanuck 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You are a national treasure.. 😊

  • @chrisb9238
    @chrisb9238 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Free Dumb

  • @jeremiahbullfrog9288
    @jeremiahbullfrog9288 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "When you're born you sign a pact in blood" ... Agreement was entered under duress, therefore null and void ;)

  • @ozmosyd
    @ozmosyd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    TAO OF PHYSICS
    Love ya work Fran

  • @motodude23
    @motodude23 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey fran, could I commission you to build a sunrise alarm clock, idk if it counts as "display technology" but I think it's cool. Like a big old basketball sized light bulb that slowly gets brighter like a sunrise. It would be a cool video

  • @toyotaboyhatman
    @toyotaboyhatman 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well screw these bio limitations.. I'm gonna transfer my soul to the VR world like lawnmower man! Oh no, amazon owns all the servers, there really is no freedom! Oh the paradox

    • @goodun2974
      @goodun2974 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      When you are able to load yourseoff into the metaverse, please unalive the Amazon servers and you will do humanity a great favor! 😅

  • @Hatrackman
    @Hatrackman 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Life divines, it doesn't choose. Belief in free-will is Inquisition-imposed enthrallment.

  • @alexandermigel2272
    @alexandermigel2272 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's so true.

  • @avadabanada3876
    @avadabanada3876 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks Fran

  • @mikemaxwell3005
    @mikemaxwell3005 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    rush song freewill is cool as Fran

  • @KingBroleslaw
    @KingBroleslaw 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Subscribed

  • @andyfarmer2661
    @andyfarmer2661 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My hero!❤

  • @Hanover_Fist
    @Hanover_Fist 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fran, you sound like a Libertarian.

  • @Xantippee
    @Xantippee 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is kind of annoying and/or unfortunate is that negative comments et al get the most coverage it seems. Fran just dedicated a whole video to one negative bs comment. It makes you wonder if some just write the negative comment in order to get mentioned, coverage, or even get dedicated videos. It does not give incentive to writing more positive... Human nature I guess, you're more inclined to respond to negativity than positivity. But I think it partially nurtures negativity in the online world.

  • @vaughnbay
    @vaughnbay 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Fran's philosophy lab?....not! stick to science

    • @FranLab
      @FranLab  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Science + Art + Music + Philosophy = FranLab.

    • @sn1000k
      @sn1000k 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I disagree this was very welcome this morning

  • @sciencefollower
    @sciencefollower 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why you waste time in rotating the flip type machine please.

  • @azzabar
    @azzabar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @markritacco270 With increased knowledge comes increased sorrow.