@@desrender4893 but if you live toward the southwestern rout (as mentioned in the video) you'll have to trawl through congestion just to get anywhere close to the southern train line, then puhinui and so forth
@@PaulG.x Ideally, heavy vehicles should only mount those with a single side of wheels and still drive around the roundabout. That's so if there's an accident, its lower speed and not a head-on or t-bone collision (which is the main advantage of a roundabout vs a regular intersection)
Can we just throw 1B at China like Vietnam and Pakistan did for their metro lines. Hanoi got 13kms and 12 stations. We don't even need that much. Expected cost overrun typical in projects would still be cheaper than CRL.
Nearly all of this land is owned by KiwiRail and it’s a designated railway corridor. Officially called the Avondale - Southdown link, it’s been in the pipeline for more than 70 years. The plans lay dormant for most of that time until former Transport Minister David Parker prioritised the 10km link in his 2023 draft Government Policy Statement for Land Transport. . Labour's influence. In the period 1949 to 1984 National failed to build this line as planned in 1949.
@grandmundi7107 Second largest developed democracy besides the US. Obviously they'll have more motorways. But they also have a lot of rail, shinkansen, and soon, maglev.
I dont know If I would describe this as "incredible" personally, for Sure it has some benefits and improves the wider catchment but If I were in charge I would be spending the money on Level crossing removals on the busier existing lines and then getting on with a surface light rail.
@@danieleyre8913 yes thats true but it won't result in the kind of massive frequency increase for example Sydney or Melbourne's new tunnels will until they remove level crossings and spend a lot more on further upgrades, therefore I can't quite describe it as incredible yet.
@Highland_Beastie because what we need is more roads. They are cheaper and cars bring you from A to B on the exact moment you want it. Besides that robotaxis are around the corner and they will drive you anywhere for less cost than public transportation.
Its called a network. Auckland has a wheel spoke design which is inefficient Connecting to the North Shore is more important agreed, but also complicated and been made extremely political by successive govts. Connecting to the airport is fine but frankly way overvalued in peoples brains as an asset. Connecting Mangere would be really amazing. But this has enormous value
When Brisbane Airport put in the train service to the city and beyond, it had a cost overrun in the billions, had few passengers, and was lambasted as an absolute waste of money. However, any new public transportation takes time to build up the numbers, and after a few years, it won over the sceptics.
This line is very important and will serve very well in terms of passengers and freight, freight trains can bypass through this line to south down marchalling yard which will cut down faster then going thru Newmarket etc. Passengers can finally have a train from Wesley and Mt Roskill and onehunga will get a new station.
Exactly my thought as well - linking the Southern Line to the airport will take hundreds of cars off the road everyday as a reliable connection to the airport will make the taxis that currently clog up those roads redundant.
I took the link between Puhinui and the airport and there was barely anyone on it! The airport buses in Wellington and Christchurch looked far more utilised.
To reach the airport, you first need to take a bus to the train station, then a train to Puhinui, and finally transfer to the Puhinui bus. This convoluted process results in excessive time, cost, and effort, making it an impractical option for most travelers. In contrast, an Uber or personal car is far more economical and convenient. It's no surprise the bus is often empty-it's simply not a viable choice.
Here's a list of cities/ airports that dont have rail connection. ( Melbourne, Los Angeles, La Guardia NYC, Berlin just got one two years ago before there was Tegel with the same system as Auckland has , Rio de Janeiro and the list goes on and on. Auckland airport is a very low volume many cities around the world as small as Auckland with such low volume dont really need a airport rail connection, just the fact of being a small country on the otherside of the world New Zealand doesnt get a lot of visitors comparably speaking, smarter is to create a new line from airport to manukau in the future to create that rail connection and or then to onehunga aswell , it will happen with time but this connection is more important for multiple factors
This will form an isthmus circle line. Like London, Moscow, seoul, Tokyo and so many other cities around the world have. The trains will run in a circle from the cbd to the current eastern line, and then into the southdown to Avondale line and back up the current western line to Kingsland and the cbd again. Circle lines create the best networks and connectivity. Each station on the circle line is a hub with connections to that part of the city so the city is easy to navigate by public transport. Just jump on the circle line and transfer north, east, south or west when you need to. The circle line will have access to otahuhu to stop/start services.
National chose to build roads during the period 1949 to 1984 ( government for 28 years) rather than rail. They did not build a rail line to Howick either. See the current problems.
@@WayToManyAssassins Well Labour was only in power for the 6 years, 12 years apart, between 1949 and 1984. Not much that they could do from the opposition benches.
@@ptewiki6598 fun fact during ww2 the yanks wanted to build for us transmission gully, they said it would take 2 years or so to build. It was only completed fully last year by us ?? Nz is so behind on things
@@tjfarias102Fun fact: That is a complete load of fiction fabricated by some journalist from the evening post. The US marine corps had a war to win, they didn’t have time to build roads that 1940s automobiles couldn’t handle.
@danieleyre8913 you would be surprised what they could have done in nz at the time, americans where light years ahead with road construction and other infrastructure projects, Ardmore was initially a bomber training base that the yanks help to build during the war, they put it together quicker than expected
Fabulous, asap please, great route also...ofcourse you'll hear kiwis banging on with the usual ... we can't afford it, who's paying for it, then every few years ...we want better infrastructure lol, just ignore them and build
Hear hear. I’m from Wellington and I can’t believe the negativity in the comments section here. More people are complaining that 1) It wasn’t already built years ago or 2) They’re not building a line to the north shore or Airport (which would be dumb IMO) or whatever, than celebrating the positive news. How about it thinking about the future and working toward positive outcomes?
They should run a passenger line through a tunnel from the port to devonport and up to barrys point road and then run rapid trains up the northern bus line. This will take a massive amount of traffic off the bridge, open rail up to the north, start to solve all the traffic issues on the shore etc. Then they could run another tunnel / line over to Kauri Point from the west and actually start to make a network that could actually make car ownership in auckland less of a necessity!
The city rail link cost $1.6 billion a km . Devonport to Barrys point is about 6km , thats $9.6 billion plus the under harbour section of 2.5km and what ever that would cost. Let’s say a nice round $13 billion minimum in today’s dollars without even considering any land purchases for egress, never going to happen. You could give every person in the country a decent e-bike for less than that which would have a profound effect on car usage.
It will happen but probaly not in our lifetimes, I think people still dont realise how small of a city Auckland really is, where is the people to pay the rates/ taxes to pay for that
@ Exactly, by world standards Auckland has a low population but its very spread out and divided by a large harbour. Our population and GDP struggles to provide for these projects and the only way to get people on them is to highly subsidise fares . Of course few places across the globe have Public transport thats profitable.
For freight movements, East-West corridor potentially allows for the establishment of inland port in North-west Auckland. There are quite a few infrastructure planning details to work through but a Northwest inland port would free up yard capacity at Metroport and despite the rail dog-leg could also assist POAL.
Meanwhile, never mind the aging Harbour Bridge or running any kind of rail AT ALL to the North Shore. Edit: Wrote my original comment halfway through the video - as always it's all irrelevant anyway, no actual money allocated to do the thing. Like North Shore rail, the bridge, airport link and countless other projects - it will never happen anyway.
It's in the fast-track process and the government has put up the money to make a case there. The cost will likely be around the same as any one of the six most costly Roads of National Significance already announced - about $3 billion - with the important difference that the rail line will actually earn revenue. By contrast, a new harbour crossing is going to come in around the $10 billion mark, and that's without building a whole new North Shore rail network. I actually think the numbers look okay.
@@nebuchadnezzar6894 3.5km for 10 years.. Underground railway of this length could probably be completed in less than a month in East Asian countries.🙄
I really feel that Auckland has "missed the bus", with its public transport system. Yes, things have improved, and become modernised, and the city fathers are starting to "think big", in terms of "what's next". The thin isthmus means that there is limited room for expansion, but getting cross city, at an affordable price should be a priority.
This project is impossible for Auckland to accomplish, they cant even build a second Harbour crossing or a train from puhinui station to the airport let alone a 11km corridor of railway tracks and stations from scratch.
Grew up in the house below herd road and always knew it was railway land. Cant believe theyre finally talking about it. Still going to be a while before they even start it seems though. It will be an absolute major job.
If you started tunnel boring now you would eventually get the job done more quickly and cheaper without dividing already divided communities. Further by re starting the Ministry of Works and building technical competency you would create a new national business and also some pride.
The public service has been well drained of all the steady heads from the 60’s and 70’s when job security meant a career and a reason to be loyal to your employer- that’s long gone in the public sector.
New Zealand's economy will be a big issue as we go forward into the future, NZ really struggles to build a convenient and efficient city with a high standard of living
Sir Keith Holy Oak wanted an underground rail system for Auckland back in the 1950s…….. 2025 and the knobs are still talking about it….as Sir Winston Peters says………….less hui more dooee
**This needs to have a transfer station when it hits the onehunga line. It's crazy to have te papapa station short of the onehunga line and then not have a transfer station!!! . All rail networks are built on transfer hubs so we can create a network, rather than just individual lines.
@@Aggieappa It’s planned to one day double-track, grade separate, and extend the Onehunga branch into Mangere. When that happens: The two stations on the branch will be replaced by one 9-car platform, that will interchange with this station’s platform.
Seriously, I hope this happens, not only is it a great idea and as usual for Auckland counsel, LONG overdue, but it'll be a lot of work for people and businesses
they chose to build the bus way instead of a harbor crossing for the trains , another harbor crossing is another overdue transport project , as you see the harbor bridge is a bottleneck
@@zacwicht3189 and its getting worse at the shore expands north, the 5/3 traffic configuration in the peaks isn’t as effective as it was years ago. It doesn’t help that our Mayor thinks a new bridge across a reef and ending up in suburban Birkenhead is some kind of good idea. Millions spent on a new harbour crossing studies , a gravy train for NZTA’s tame consultants but zero action.
@@Chris-NZ if they put that bridge in they should add a motorway with a few off ramps that links up to another motorway (18 or 1 between Albany and silverdale) (im guessing its a north carry on from 20 the point it T sections 16 as the city side)
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They can't conveniently link the north shore to the current mainline railway network. There are plans to change the busway to a light rail or light metro system in the future, and tie it in with building the second harbour crossing.
if spending so much already, why not switch to standard gauge. not only would the trains be faster, way more stable and less wobbly, but also would ironically be cheaper since it's easily sourced internationally.
shame, poor little NZ thinking it can pull something like this off. and for a million people only. over budget and at least a couple decades to try finish. leading from the back once again.
Sounded exciting until the last line. No money. Infrastructure projects in nz take decades, if not longer. We need to be brave and start tolling new roads, toll a new harbour bridge and encourage foreign investment. Too many decades have gone by talking and planning ‘much needed’ projects which never get off the ground
Kia ora, here we are in Onehunga: lived here for decades. Has anyone asked us? We love our vibrant, closeknit community which will be destroyed by this option. There is a better route following the existing transport corridoor. The extensive land that snakes through our community could be sold and finance the rail system through the industrial area rather than sacrificing our community, spltting it in half and wrecking our business area. The question remains about consultation and consideration of alternative options.
@antontsau You misunderstood what I stated is give the entire project to the Chinese If you had experienced train travel in China then you would have a Better understanding Also many Chinese Also live in houses In city's equally as good as ours also not all apartments are equal to you stereotype
Passenger rail That is a worry to start with Do they clowns every come up with cast iron numbers of passenger ast and what times And how much would the fares need to be?
The route is a bad idea though onehunga, the is lots of houses and gardens it should go form Southdown along the waterfornt to the current Onehunga station and along the motorway to Mt Roskill
@was-a-very-fat-fish The railways have owned the land for decades, there’s no other options. They’re just those low quality timber weatherboard houses, they can be replaced and probably will be (with terraced housing or blocks of flats).
Railway is definitely the way to go it always was. But maybe not only Auckland. We gotta get the main SH1 sorted, double lanes each side, then focus rail way with will reduce the amount of trucks on the road.
About damn time!!!! Now do the airport and the Dominion road tram through Queen Street and Onehunga.. We need to link in with Dubai/KSA or China (which ever gets us there faster) get some oil prince money through our oil fields.
No we don’t have the money.Second harbour bridge won’t happen for the same reason. National stadium downtown won’t happen too. There always lots of talk but absolute no action.
Already have the most expensive per km rail build in human history on the CRL, why not add another project...honestly, what a drain on the NZ economy...whats the CBA on this? 100 year pay off?
Avondale - Southdown link is more important that Airport to city rail, due to the Northport being one of two major container terminal with the other at Tauranga.
There is no such thing as "not good for tunnels" . Sydney harbour tunnel sits on the harbour floor surrounded by water. Tunnels in Singapore were bored through clay and silt that had the consistency of toothpaste and the Waterview tunnel passes through basalt lava flows
@@PaulG.x in fact granites, basalts and so on is the best media for tunneling. No artificial support required, drill and blast without any shielding works perfect, just spray concrete for waterproofing and thats it. The whole Stockholm metro made this way, they even did not bother about concretening, bare rocks exposed right on stations, not talking about tunnels.
They haven't even finished screwing around with the motorway. They're literally planning years and years of disruption and frustration for Aucklanders.
@@katzicael Not in other countries where they actually prioritise the infrastructure. They don't plan as they go, but they don't spend 30 years making morning teas and calling that progress. NZ has the lowest output of infrastructure in relation to spending in the OECD
When will Auckland become a modern city and have a rail system from the fukin airport to the city centre.
Airport don't want it.
Reason? Car parking revenue!!
Melbourne doesn’t have one either
@@Mazigaro Melbourne plans to have a Airport Train by 2033
why, get off or on at Puinui, and there's buses every few minutes to and from the airport.
@@desrender4893 but if you live toward the southwestern rout (as mentioned in the video) you'll have to trawl through congestion just to get anywhere close to the southern train line, then puhinui and so forth
The bus driver not bothering to go around the roundabout 😂
Those level roundabouts are like that so long vehicles can drive straight over them 🙄
@@PaulG.x Ideally, heavy vehicles should only mount those with a single side of wheels and still drive around the roundabout. That's so if there's an accident, its lower speed and not a head-on or t-bone collision (which is the main advantage of a roundabout vs a regular intersection)
No worries, just retrain him for trains :P
Haha “might is right” 😂😂😂😂
thats the point. the roundabout is so low specifically so heavy vehicles can go straight over.
Should have listened to Sir Dove - Myer Robinson, would have all been finished decades ago!
Absolutely, Auckland has gotta be the most unorganised city for transport in the western world
Can we just throw 1B at China like Vietnam and Pakistan did for their metro lines. Hanoi got 13kms and 12 stations. We don't even need that much. Expected cost overrun typical in projects would still be cheaper than CRL.
Well it wasn't but will be
Middle last century from memory
@@tjfarias102 Clearly you haven’t travelled…
Nearly all of this land is owned by KiwiRail and it’s a designated railway corridor. Officially called the Avondale - Southdown link, it’s been in the pipeline for more than 70 years.
The plans lay dormant for most of that time until former Transport Minister David Parker prioritised the 10km link in his 2023 draft Government Policy Statement for Land Transport.
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Labour's influence. In the period 1949 to 1984 National failed to build this line as planned in 1949.
National encouraged motorway construction that has created the chronic car congestion Auckland is now experiencing.
@@chrismckellar9350go to Tokyo and see how many more motorways they have. It’s not either or, okay?
@grandmundi7107 Second largest developed democracy besides the US. Obviously they'll have more motorways. But they also have a lot of rail, shinkansen, and soon, maglev.
@@chrismckellar9350 Yes but so did Labour.
@@britishmalayasociety As I said, it's not either or! There can be more motorways AND more rails.
Yes! This is incredible. Now get on and do it before its canceled!
I dont know If I would describe this as "incredible" personally, for Sure it has some benefits and improves the wider catchment but If I were in charge I would be spending the money on Level crossing removals on the busier existing lines and then getting on with a surface light rail.
@@BigBlueMan118This will make a lot of other improvements possible and more convenient. It is the logical next upgrade for Auckland’s railway network.
@@danieleyre8913 yes thats true but it won't result in the kind of massive frequency increase for example Sydney or Melbourne's new tunnels will until they remove level crossings and spend a lot more on further upgrades, therefore I can't quite describe it as incredible yet.
@@BigBlueMan118 Well it will allow other big improvements that seem impressive.
@danieleyre8913 fair enough
shouldve been done 30 years ago....
Yes, but the next best time is now!
NZ was still a joke even 30 years ago
Lol 30 years ago was 1995.... they were to busy investing into boat races rather then solid infrastructure projects
Exactly. It is to late and not needed since robotaxis are around the corner. No public transport is needed.
its a waste of money.
I'll be old and grey until I see this happen
I hope you will never see it. Waste of money.
Bear a thought for those who thought this will happen in their life time during those 70 years that gone by and now no longer with us.
Were you just born 😅
@@bartdekingWhy do you think its a waste of money?
@Highland_Beastie because what we need is more roads. They are cheaper and cars bring you from A to B on the exact moment you want it. Besides that robotaxis are around the corner and they will drive you anywhere for less cost than public transportation.
Once people start experiencing the benefits of the City Rail Link, they'll become more open to future rail improvements and new projectss
I agree. The CRL will create huge demand for rail. Let's get this done.
I feel like rail lines from the CBD to the Airport, and CBD to North Shore is far more important than whatever this route is.
Its called a network. Auckland has a wheel spoke design which is inefficient
Connecting to the North Shore is more important agreed, but also complicated and been made extremely political by successive govts.
Connecting to the airport is fine but frankly way overvalued in peoples brains as an asset. Connecting Mangere would be really amazing. But this has enormous value
They can't do a rail spur to the airport without taking freight off the main trunk line
When Brisbane Airport put in the train service to the city and beyond, it had a cost overrun in the billions, had few passengers, and was lambasted as an absolute waste of money. However, any new public transportation takes time to build up the numbers, and after a few years, it won over the sceptics.
Another way of saying u gotta spend if u wana make money @@NZTotem
This line is very important and will serve very well in terms of passengers and freight, freight trains can bypass through this line to south down marchalling yard which will cut down faster then going thru Newmarket etc.
Passengers can finally have a train from Wesley and Mt Roskill and onehunga will get a new station.
billions of dollars and still no rail access to the airport? The biggest congestion on that route is via aiport so why not focus access there?
Exactly my thought as well - linking the Southern Line to the airport will take hundreds of cars off the road everyday as a reliable connection to the airport will make the taxis that currently clog up those roads redundant.
It's a start at least
I took the link between Puhinui and the airport and there was barely anyone on it! The airport buses in Wellington and Christchurch looked far more utilised.
To reach the airport, you first need to take a bus to the train station, then a train to Puhinui, and finally transfer to the Puhinui bus. This convoluted process results in excessive time, cost, and effort, making it an impractical option for most travelers. In contrast, an Uber or personal car is far more economical and convenient. It's no surprise the bus is often empty-it's simply not a viable choice.
Here's a list of cities/ airports that dont have rail connection. ( Melbourne, Los Angeles, La Guardia NYC, Berlin just got one two years ago before there was Tegel with the same system as Auckland has , Rio de Janeiro and the list goes on and on. Auckland airport is a very low volume many cities around the world as small as Auckland with such low volume dont really need a airport rail connection, just the fact of being a small country on the otherside of the world New Zealand doesnt get a lot of visitors comparably speaking, smarter is to create a new line from airport to manukau in the future to create that rail connection and or then to onehunga aswell , it will happen with time but this connection is more important for multiple factors
I'm all for this, but I'll believe it when I see it.
I had a lot of thoughts about this project, but you've already expressed them perfectly.
This will form an isthmus circle line. Like London, Moscow, seoul, Tokyo and so many other cities around the world have.
The trains will run in a circle from the cbd to the current eastern line, and then into the southdown to Avondale line and back up the current western line to Kingsland and the cbd again. Circle lines create the best networks and connectivity.
Each station on the circle line is a hub with connections to that part of the city so the city is easy to navigate by public transport. Just jump on the circle line and transfer north, east, south or west when you need to.
The circle line will have access to otahuhu to stop/start services.
100%
And if you live on the North Shore ...you catch the train in 3025!!! Maybe....about 150 years behind were we should be...
National chose to build roads during the period 1949 to 1984 ( government for 28 years) rather than rail. They did not build a rail line to Howick either. See the current problems.
@adsdft585 not nationals fault really, it's been nearly a century and other governments haven't invested anything towards it.
Would that make it 1000 years behind?
Try 2035
@@WayToManyAssassins Well Labour was only in power for the 6 years, 12 years apart, between 1949 and 1984. Not much that they could do from the opposition benches.
Kiwi is good for doing nothing but talk.
I first heard of this when I started school, in Onehunga, in 1952. I don't expect to see this happen.
@@ptewiki6598 fun fact during ww2 the yanks wanted to build for us transmission gully, they said it would take 2 years or so to build. It was only completed fully last year by us ?? Nz is so behind on things
@@tjfarias102Fun fact: That is a complete load of fiction fabricated by some journalist from the evening post.
The US marine corps had a war to win, they didn’t have time to build roads that 1940s automobiles couldn’t handle.
@danieleyre8913 you would be surprised what they could have done in nz at the time, americans where light years ahead with road construction and other infrastructure projects, Ardmore was initially a bomber training base that the yanks help to build during the war, they put it together quicker than expected
Missing the Shore entirely? That’s about100,000 people or more not being catered for. At least put a ring route for goodness sake.
😂😅 catch a bus to the train station..
Nobody is on the buses so good aye..😮😮😂😂
They don't care about the shore apparently
Shore has the Bus line which is not even near capacity , this link doesnt even exist yet
And east. All we got is a crappy busway!
@@puffinjuiceBusway better than nothing.
And it can be converted to some form of light rail in the future.
Fabulous, asap please, great route also...ofcourse you'll hear kiwis banging on with the usual ... we can't afford it, who's paying for it, then every few years ...we want better infrastructure lol, just ignore them and build
Your on point with this call
Hear hear. I’m from Wellington and I can’t believe the negativity in the comments section here. More people are complaining that 1) It wasn’t already built years ago or 2) They’re not building a line to the north shore or Airport (which would be dumb IMO) or whatever, than celebrating the positive news.
How about it thinking about the future and working toward positive outcomes?
They should run a passenger line through a tunnel from the port to devonport and up to barrys point road and then run rapid trains up the northern bus line.
This will take a massive amount of traffic off the bridge, open rail up to the north, start to solve all the traffic issues on the shore etc.
Then they could run another tunnel / line over to Kauri Point from the west and actually start to make a network that could actually make car ownership in auckland less of a necessity!
The city rail link cost $1.6 billion a km . Devonport to Barrys point is about 6km , thats $9.6 billion plus the under harbour section of 2.5km and what ever that would cost. Let’s say a nice round $13 billion minimum in today’s dollars without even considering any land purchases for egress, never going to happen. You could give every person in the country a decent e-bike for less than that which would have a profound effect on car usage.
It will happen but probaly not in our lifetimes, I think people still dont realise how small of a city Auckland really is, where is the people to pay the rates/ taxes to pay for that
@ Exactly, by world standards Auckland has a low population but its very spread out and divided by a large harbour. Our population and GDP struggles to provide for these projects and the only way to get people on them is to highly subsidise fares . Of course few places across the globe have Public transport thats profitable.
For freight movements, East-West corridor potentially allows for the establishment of inland port in North-west Auckland. There are quite a few infrastructure planning details to work through but a Northwest inland port would free up yard capacity at Metroport and despite the rail dog-leg could also assist POAL.
Meanwhile, never mind the aging Harbour Bridge or running any kind of rail AT ALL to the North Shore.
Edit: Wrote my original comment halfway through the video - as always it's all irrelevant anyway, no actual money allocated to do the thing. Like North Shore rail, the bridge, airport link and countless other projects - it will never happen anyway.
And which parts of the NS would have stations and how many will be needed? Will there be one next to your house?
It's in the fast-track process and the government has put up the money to make a case there. The cost will likely be around the same as any one of the six most costly Roads of National Significance already announced - about $3 billion - with the important difference that the rail line will actually earn revenue. By contrast, a new harbour crossing is going to come in around the $10 billion mark, and that's without building a whole new North Shore rail network. I actually think the numbers look okay.
Amazing how much land kiwirail/the government owns ready for projects
It will probably sell all the assets for nothing, too... When they are actually profitable. Like our airports, power generators, social housing... 😰
And still nothing to the airport 🤦🏽
Unbelievable that, isn't it. When is Auckland going to move into the 20th century, let alone the 21st?
I know right, at this point its deliberate
And all this should be going underground but that last part where they said “no money!” 🤦🏽
@@wekiwisdofly85 why should this be underground?!
@danieleyre8913 Why not?
You'll always fail because of too much consultations and health & safety. Not saying H&S isn't important, but there need to be a balance
Build northshore a rail line while at it😂
Hard out. I'll be keen to catch a train up to Albany lol 👏
I personally think the North Shore would be better+more cheaply served by light rail
It will happen along the bus line however the Bus line is still not even near capacity
Awesome 🛤
The guy in the video in his op shop jersey gives you full confidence
And how long will 11kms of rail take to be built? 20 years?
You are an optimist.
I supposed considering it took 10 years to build 3.5km for City Link.
@@nork22 CRL was almost completely underground while this is completely on the surface, so it's not really comparable.
@@nebuchadnezzar6894 3.5km for 10 years.. Underground railway of this length could probably be completed in less than a month in East Asian countries.🙄
@nebuchadnezzar6894 Please... you expect Auckland City Council to get this done in less time vs CRL? You gotta be kidding.
I really feel that Auckland has "missed the bus", with its public transport system. Yes, things have improved, and become modernised, and the city fathers are starting to "think big", in terms of "what's next". The thin isthmus means that there is limited room for expansion, but getting cross city, at an affordable price should be a priority.
Happy my tax to contribute NZ’s infrastructure projects.
This project is impossible for Auckland to accomplish, they cant even build a second Harbour crossing or a train from puhinui station to the airport let alone a 11km corridor of railway tracks and stations from scratch.
New Zealand will change all areas of transportation in the future.
50 years later in the future
Yes - except it will be horses pulling carts
I liked the last few words. “No money allocated to building it”😂 never going to happen
Grew up in the house below herd road and always knew it was railway land. Cant believe theyre finally talking about it. Still going to be a while before they even start it seems though.
It will be an absolute major job.
13 Billion for landlords this sounds like chump change
It'll take them 100 years to build this, if they ever build it 🥱
Some on these Kiwi rail people are graduates on STM , chair and phone $30 an hr
If you started tunnel boring now you would eventually get the job done more quickly and cheaper without dividing already divided communities. Further by re starting the Ministry of Works and building technical competency you would create a new national business and also some pride.
The public service has been well drained of all the steady heads from the 60’s and 70’s when job security meant a career and a reason to be loyal to your employer- that’s long gone in the public sector.
It’s the last sentence for me hahaha I was almost sold on the idea
New Zealand's economy will be a big issue as we go forward into the future, NZ really struggles to build a convenient and efficient city with a high standard of living
Certainly a better investment than 13 billion or so for tax cuts for landlords xD
In the year 2929
Looking forward to it.... .......
Do it
What is the point if always cancelled or. No service eastern western or southern whole year around 😵💫
@@UsmanMughal-lm8pp You do understand that that is just temporary, right?
When is the harbor rail crossing going to be built
How long the construction will take ? Hope I live long enough to see it.
Answer: 15 years.
How about finishing the past projects and making them reliable and accurate transport? :)
Sir Keith Holy Oak wanted an underground rail system for Auckland back in the 1950s…….. 2025 and the knobs are still talking about it….as Sir Winston Peters says………….less hui more dooee
Haven't even finished the central trail link yet.... This sounds great, but get that done first!! 🤦
What an opportunity to launder and miss appropriate money, just like the big motorway project. You know it's going to happen.
**This needs to have a transfer station when it hits the onehunga line. It's crazy to have te papapa station short of the onehunga line and then not have a transfer station!!! . All rail networks are built on transfer hubs so we can create a network, rather than just individual lines.
@@Aggieappa It’s planned to one day double-track, grade separate, and extend the Onehunga branch into Mangere.
When that happens: The two stations on the branch will be replaced by one 9-car platform, that will interchange with this station’s platform.
OK. As long as that happens. Are you involved with the planning?.
Seriously, I hope this happens, not only is it a great idea and as usual for Auckland counsel, LONG overdue, but it'll be a lot of work for people and businesses
with the way NZ tends to build these types of projects you will be lucky to have this completed by 2040
Why cant they send a line up the shore? There is zero rail in the north shore😊
@@utkarshsharma3022 but there is a bus way. What is the magic of a train?
they chose to build the bus way instead of a harbor crossing for the trains , another harbor crossing is another overdue transport project , as you see the harbor bridge is a bottleneck
@@zacwicht3189 and its getting worse at the shore expands north, the 5/3 traffic configuration in the peaks isn’t as effective as it was years ago. It doesn’t help that our Mayor thinks a new bridge across a reef and ending up in suburban Birkenhead is some kind of good idea. Millions spent on a new harbour crossing studies , a gravy train for NZTA’s tame consultants but zero action.
@@Chris-NZ if they put that bridge in they should add a motorway with a few off ramps that links up to another motorway (18 or 1 between Albany and silverdale) (im guessing its a north carry on from 20 the point it T sections 16 as the city side)
They can't conveniently link the north shore to the current mainline railway network.
There are plans to change the busway to a light rail or light metro system in the future, and tie it in with building the second harbour crossing.
The train that takes us to the airport???
Don't hold your breath.
Was on the plans but this government cancelled it
@@andreschuurman1053 where was this plan?
@@andreschuurman1053 source??
Yep
if spending so much already, why not switch to standard gauge. not only would the trains be faster, way more stable and less wobbly, but also would ironically be cheaper since it's easily sourced internationally.
Isn't our country in debt with energy companies . How are you gonna compensate for the amount of power needed to run these trains with these acts
shame, poor little NZ thinking it can pull something like this off. and for a million people only. over budget and at least a couple decades to try finish. leading from the back once again.
So do you think New Zealand should do nothing instead or something?
Sounded exciting until the last line. No money. Infrastructure projects in nz take decades, if not longer. We need to be brave and start tolling new roads, toll a new harbour bridge and encourage foreign investment. Too many decades have gone by talking and planning ‘much needed’ projects which never get off the ground
Get the first rail system regularly working BEFOR they start another line and make it's CEO's responsible.
Kia ora, here we are in Onehunga: lived here for decades. Has anyone asked us? We love our vibrant, closeknit community which will be destroyed by this option. There is a better route following the existing transport corridoor. The extensive land that snakes through our community could be sold and finance the rail system through the industrial area rather than sacrificing our community, spltting it in half and wrecking our business area. The question remains about consultation and consideration of alternative options.
it been on the books fo 70 year s people no where is you moved there knowing it would be built eventually
Hell yeah! Southdown Avondale line for the win!!!!
Please politicians: Let this necessity happen. None of this palaver about light rail.
Western Line grade separation is more urgent if you want the CRL to work otherwise expect 40 minute railway crossing closures during rush hour.
Get the China rail to build it then it will be done once and right and in record time without all the gravy train bludgers dragging it out for years
it requires to convert all kiwis to Chineses first, to work for cup of rice 70h/week and live in 50storey chikencoops.
@antontsau
You misunderstood what I stated is give the entire project to the Chinese
If you had experienced train travel in China then you would have a
Better understanding
Also many Chinese
Also live in houses
In city's equally as good as ours also not all apartments are equal to you stereotype
When, another 100 years?
Ok let's get digging
If we did decades ago, it wouldn't be a billion-dollar project.
all that money you were going to waste on bringing back trams (light rail🥺) would be much better spent here.
Should get the Chinese to assist, cause the people involved now don’t seem to know what they’re doing
Passenger rail
That is a worry to start with
Do they clowns every come up with cast iron numbers of passenger ast and what times
And how much would the fares need to be?
The route is a bad idea though onehunga, the is lots of houses and gardens it should go form Southdown along the waterfornt to the current Onehunga station and along the motorway to Mt Roskill
@was-a-very-fat-fish The railways have owned the land for decades, there’s no other options.
They’re just those low quality timber weatherboard houses, they can be replaced and probably will be (with terraced housing or blocks of flats).
Reinstating passenger rail to Helensville would be far more cost effective and useful.
Railway is definitely the way to go it always was. But maybe not only Auckland.
We gotta get the main SH1 sorted, double lanes each side, then focus rail way with will reduce the amount of trucks on the road.
You can thank National for the trucks on the road
Finally…the Bus from Titirangi to mt Wellington used to take almost 1.5 hours in the morning
Perhaps you could move
Where is botany and howick stations?
Last time I looked on a map Howick was no where near Avondale or Onehunga
wen will the water problems be sorted
Let me.guess... the govt spends 30 or 40 million on consultants and ends up canceling the thing....
are we going to see this done in our lifetime??
That depends on how long you plan to live.
I would very happily pay a little more tax so we can actually build this sort of thing. Can we just get on and do it??
$3.9m just for consenting ... what a joke. the consultants who got the job must be laughing out loud
Why not put it all underground?
Do you know how much work that is
That's what Dove Meyer Robinson wanted to do, WAY back in time. But noooo -- too sensible.
@announcer1356 weigh up the value of the result, including the value of the land that has not been taken up by rail.
@@michaelfulcher3919Railways have owned the route for decades already.
1. cost. 2. cost to build stations. 3. safety, especially at night, 4. cost
Auckland is still doing better than Adelaide, Brisbane and Christchurch
This land corridor is already designated for rail and no housing needs to be bulldozed. It’s a no brainer. Build it!
About damn time!!!! Now do the airport and the Dominion road tram through Queen Street and Onehunga..
We need to link in with Dubai/KSA or China (which ever gets us there faster) get some oil prince money through our oil fields.
It's always through Labour electorates. Why is nothing built out south east? Come on we all pay taxes
Re: Nelson from Auckland
Our thoughts are with Adam and Lynn’s family. Kia kaha
They always leave things for when prices are so high
North Harbour new bridge is more urgent than this light rail!
This isn’t light rail. It’s extending the mainline.
No we don’t have the money.Second harbour bridge won’t happen for the same reason.
National stadium downtown won’t happen too.
There always lots of talk but absolute no action.
Would be great for the network. But this idea has been around longer than David Gordon. Cant see it happening.
Rail needs to be linked west to north shore and north shore to britomart
Already have the most expensive per km rail build in human history on the CRL, why not add another project...honestly, what a drain on the NZ economy...whats the CBA on this? 100 year pay off?
100% money laundering when projects go billions over budget and it's not written in contract that the government / taxpayers do not pay overexpenses.
Still waiting on trains to the north shore 😂
Where on the North Shore. Should we build a train station next door to your house?
@@ataxpayer723 Down where the busway goes all the way to orewa
So you can just put a train track next to your house and no one will complain? 🤣
A 2 track rail corridor is far better that a 4-6 lane expressway
@@mcgruff3309 Railway already own a lot of that land.
Sounds great until there needs to be some maintenance work done or the trains break down...
@@Chris-NZ This isn't even about the shore.
It is not the trains that break down. It is the under-investment in track maintenance.
By 2050? Surely extending a rail line to the airport is more important?
How many houses to knock down?
Avondale - Southdown link is more important that Airport to city rail, due to the Northport being one of two major container terminal with the other at Tauranga.
SOLUTION: Take the train to Puhinui Station. Take the elevator. Transfer to the AirportLink electric bus, that runs every 10 minutes
@@ataxpayer723 - Especially, payment is now with contactless payment.
Start digging it action now
Get the Chinese here and it will get done in 5 years.
Buying how many houses,, Rock around there, not good for tunnels,,
They already own most of it.
There is no such thing as "not good for tunnels" . Sydney harbour tunnel sits on the harbour floor surrounded by water. Tunnels in Singapore were bored through clay and silt that had the consistency of toothpaste and the Waterview tunnel passes through basalt lava flows
@@PaulG.x in fact granites, basalts and so on is the best media for tunneling. No artificial support required, drill and blast without any shielding works perfect, just spray concrete for waterproofing and thats it. The whole Stockholm metro made this way, they even did not bother about concretening, bare rocks exposed right on stations, not talking about tunnels.
What u mean no money allocated to build it?
They haven't even finished screwing around with the motorway. They're literally planning years and years of disruption and frustration for Aucklanders.
that's how infrastructure projects work
@@katzicael Not in other countries where they actually prioritise the infrastructure. They don't plan as they go, but they don't spend 30 years making morning teas and calling that progress. NZ has the lowest output of infrastructure in relation to spending in the OECD
Airport. AIRPORT! FFS. AIRPORT!!!
SOLUTION: Take the train to Puhinui Station. Take the elevator. Transfer to the AirportLink electric bus, that runs every 10 minutes
Another wonder piece of public transport, or is that another great waste of public money. Current one is billions over budget and years over due.