Frank's always been interviewed by these extremely common-sensed journalists, and he always managed to shed a spotlight in the superficiality of their arguments without being rude. This guy sounds like he has lived through the 2020's and is telling the world what he has seen in his trip to the future. Frank's amazing
Except he was wrong about McCarthy and didn't realize the Religious Right is not actually religious. The churches were captured by LBJ by turning them into government-controlled 501c3 Charities. They then had to teach Zionism over Christianity. A couple generations have been brainwashed to love their Slave Masters.
The media is to the right? That is laughable! When it comes to politics and God Frank and his admirers are comically wrong. A well informed high-school kid would crush his lies in a debate.
@@DAVYMAC Zappa was right at the time. If you were older, you would know. So, he wasn't lying, son. BTW, I just got back from a retreat... with my fellow Generals. This is an order: Drop and give me 100, numb nuts!
CNN just proved him right by taking a sharp turn to the right. Watching the USA turn into a fascist theocracy is not a pretty sight. It's quite ugly. Ugly Americans indeed.
@@mooganstooker2419 Outside of MSNBC, everyone is headed farther and farther right. In CNN's case, they're basically attempting to paint themselves as the "both sides"/Republican apologist network now.
His ability to understand and articulate the logical conclusion of the 80s GOP is truly astounding. Many others were talking around the issue at the time, seeing the signs and understanding it to a lesser degree. Zappa cut right to the chase and distilled it as if he had a Time Machine. And he wasn’t afraid to say it. Others had things to lose, but Zappa was incorruptible.
I mean yeah maybe but the GOP doesn't run anything in this country. All the cities and the establishment are dominated by left wing politics. Simple as.
Yes, true. We weren't paying attention. At least I wasn't, being in the midst of my younger life and career. I woke up during the Civil Rights movement, and that led me to focus on the political arena.
This man was so brilliant he predicted the future "I have this horrible fear that the United States could lend its way toward being a fascist theocracy, the cross converted into a symbol of fascism in the service of politics, this is bad"
@@jimbobb3509 How so? There are roughly a dozen christian churches within a half mile radius of my home. My cable service has 12 channels devoted to christian broadcasting. Several states have violated the Constitution by requiring religious tests as a prerequisite for public office. Previously illegal discrimination on wholly non-religious matters are being permitted unabated. Mega church pastors fly in private jets costing hundreds of millions of dollars that could be put to better use. I could go on, but whenever someone truthfully points out the hypocrisy of christian so-called morality, they cry and whine about being attacked.
Source? I'm thinking you might have had in mind these words from James Madison's "Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments": "If Religion be not within the cognizance of Civil Government how can its legal establishment be necessary to Civil Government? What influence in fact have ecclesiastical establishments had on Civil Society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the Civil authority; in many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny: in no instance have they been seen the guardians of the liberties of the people." Madison also wrote (same source), "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." Here is an Adams quotation, from his letter to Jedidiah Morse, 5 January 1816: "To talk or think of liberty, or Privileges, under a military government, is as idle & absurd as under an Ecclesiastical Government."
@@brandonmooney2767I happen to be religious, so I don’t particularly agree with all of Madison’s conclusions here, though I can appreciate where he’s coming from given the historical context. I respect you for citing a viable foundational source in the consideration and debate of these matters. It’s just a shame that so many Americans demonize one another before attempting at arriving at some measure of mutual understanding.
@@Keep83he’s speaking about what the evidence shows. Christianity had a millennia and a half of complete control over governments and during that time they were only responsible for crowning kings and Emperors. Nowhere was “Democratic government” on their minds. If anything, that was a pagan institution.
@@Keep83the founding fathers saw, in their own lifetimes and the centuries before them, the violent and tyrannical regimes of Europe, consecrated by the Church, and how state churches led to bloody religious wars. Many of America’s early settlers were themselves fleeing religious repression and persecution.
Most evil business on earth this thing catholic church. Ppl need stop thinking it's religion. It's corruption money sex abuse, lies, secrets, abuse, trauma. Causes depression anxiety. Coz mental emotional block. Controlled servant robot type. So this will be controlled by big pharma, all lies on news tv everything they will be fooled. It's opposite of human purpose. To remove the accumulated trash such as fear guilt EGO. These heaven hell business do the exact opposite. It's gamble drug etc same fear guilt trap.. child soldier or gang member. It's same disharmony causes the robot to go church give money in mental state. Same as the gang member sell drug for gang soldier kill. They imprisoned in the baggage places by the other. THE REAL SELF)SOUL)GOD. UNDER THE TRASH. RELIGION SWAMP HOLD GWAD UNDER DROWN UNTIL LAST BREATH IN THE BAGGAGE. PURPISE , CONTROL THAT ONE BIRTH TO DEATH" A SLAVE. NOT EVEN ONE JEW MUSLIM CATHOLIC IN HEAVEN HELL NOW. Fake business using Jesus name as a logo. ITS FEAR GUILT ONLY. All heaven hells is same business model. Big pharma uses all the tricks of heaven hell lies. Especially on elderly
@@averagebodybuilder Oh I'm well aware that immorality is being legislated. In fact most legislation is immoral. The argument that legislating morality is a problem though is kind of ridiculous when all things are considered.
Ironically, the Church is what fought for liberties in these past 3 years. And I say that as an atheist. The only fascism today is that of the leftist, globalist-backed Biden Regime. It holds the monopoly.
*Barry Goldwater said this over 50 years ago: "Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." --- Barry Goldwater*
So what? America is nothing special. Neither was Rome. Human extinction is my hope for this Planet. More George Santos. More MTG. More Trump! More Putin! Let's get humans eradicated ASAFP! Vote for these lunatics PLEASE!
@@RandomNonsense1985 LBJ was an evil criminal, and Carter is now the 2nd worst POTUS, the worst now being Joe "The Criminal" Biden. You are woefully ignorant.
@@anthony27334 after how he behaved during the first Republican primary debate, the RNC and the networks never should have allowed him back on the debate stage
@@dkupke Among those with no appreciation for that, the press takes the cake. All 2015 they euphorically rolled in the money with no brakes. For the next 5 years they made even more money hemming and hawing about how chaotic things were. Now that it's boring again they are doing their best to open that money fountain again. Recklessness beyond imagination.
What comes around goes around. I became a “Reagan democrat“ in 1980. In 1988 I joined the Republican Party so I could vote for Jack Kemp over then Vice President George Bush in Republican primary election. I removed myself from the republican party in 2017 when the then republican commander-in-chief said my brother can not serve in the US military simple because they labeled his as a Trans Man. I love, and respect my brother, he lives by such a upstanding life of code, of honor, and respect. It broke my heart to see him (and others of the Trans Community) so wrongly dishonored.
Ring true to this day? Buddy, we're living the exact opposite of what he's saying, the dogma that rules today is the woke culture that most brainless idiots will try to cancel you if you disagree with.
Really? Are we in a fascist theocracy? If we are then they suck at suppressing all the rampant degeneracy, BLM protests, gender ideology, lgbt indoctrination of children, mass immigration, and a whole slew of other issues that a fascist theocracy would be vehemently against. Where is this supposed fascist theocracy of the cross?
@@PeterNgolaSpace Lazers. Book banning. The War on Disney. Abortion bans. Anti Vaxxers. Covid deniers. Rapists. Traitors. Insurrectionists. Election deniers. Gay bashing. Nazis marches. The lunatics are mainstream on the right, and fringe on the left. It’s just a fact.
@@hartubmoses6645- Nope, Frank would have composed another typically obnoxious song and turn up the amps. He would find a way to make them suffer. He would have even considered running for high office, like US Congress.
@@hartubmoses6645 Zappa was mulling a presidential run . if nothing else it would have been fantastic to see him on national TV debating all those lame politicians
2023. Don't try and outsmart this man If it wasn't music it would have been 'politics', Science philosophy or anything he chose. A genius and unique. Missed by many.
One solid third (at least) of this nation has never, nor will it ever understand the meaning behind the phrase: 'Separation of church and state.' You can thank them directly for crippling our efforts to evolve this nation forward.
they EXPLICITLY OPPOSE the absolute FIRST PRIORITY of the Bill of Rights: Freedom of Speech & Separation of Church and State. which mean they are as ANTI-AMERICAN as can be. like trump, they are the TRUE TRAITORS!
@@fl3082 just because you lie about something does not make it so. no matter how many times you repeat your lie, it remains false. try to READ the ACTUAL WORDS that i wrote ^^^ above instead of just making shit up like your orange daddy do. i stated the FIRST of the BILL OF RIGHTS and the BILL OF RIGHTS are the 1st ten amendments to the Constitution, so YES SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE ACTUALLY IS PART OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. It is stated as part of the 1st AMENDMENT OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS! Not only that, but the Founding Fathers chose keeping the god-damned church out of our government along with Freedom of the Press AND Freedom of Speech are all 3 MORE IMPORTANT to our nation than are fucking guns!
He did a good job hiding behind his facade of rock anarchist. Perhaps if he took sometime to hang out with Christopher Hitchens, discuss the irrationality of religion with Richard Dawkins, or Sam Harris, he would have been taken more seriously.
@Ms. Ann Thrope Christopher Hitchens was decent until he supported the invasion of Iraq. Wtf?! 1) war 2) US had been imperialist up till then. Why would one think that suddenly stopped.
@@ms.annthrope415 the problem with Hitchens, Dawkins, and Harris is they all (in the end) became obsessed with islam. Don't get me wrong, islam has its issues (I lived in a muslim country for two years) but it's no crazier than christianity, Lenin, or Mengistu. The difference between Zappa and those aforementioned individuals is that Zappa manifested spirit with his life's work. Zappa actually makes atheism attractive because his music and business prowess are boundless in nature, a bit like cosmology. He is as interesting as Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan, a veritable saint of atheism. Sam Harris, on the other hand, is one of the most dreary, stultifying bores that I've ever had the displeasure of listening to.
Anyone with a critical sensibility and functioning brain saw it in Frank's day as well... he wasn't a lone voice in the wilderness. The fascists have persisted with their line ever since, thus "normalising" their bigotry.
@@charonbadmann8904 - The situation has ALWAYS been around; when the original British colonies had to deal with the fact that most preachers were the Anglican(Church of England) Church, and they wanted a tax levy to help pay them. The Pilgrims were a group of Religious troublemakers who had been thrown out of England. And further back into history; the Catholics ran Europe and started the Crusades - which are still remembered by Muslims today, and on and on. The GOP, as Zappa pointed out, started this modern Crusade - which is causing trouble TODAY - as a reaction to the exciting freedom of behavior begun in the 1950s and 60s, and that freedom and happiness was seen as as a calamity for American churches. So the Preachers - who had recently begun to televise their preaching - began telling their listeners what to do - and found that they could influence elections. The Republicans, who thought of the way young people acted as "just disgraceful" and hated short skirts and guys with long hair, kinda always hung out with those people anyway - the town councils and chambers of commerce were places that politicians hung out; just like churches.☹
@@normhardy there you go projecting your own wishes on a non event. Better than trying to overthrow the friggin government. The gop ain’t in support of democracy, but dictatorship. And people like you willingly follow him. Go study some history of 1930's Germany.
There are voices like his but they never make it to the tv set because people like him do not generate enough ad revenue. People have been so dumbed down and have developed such an attention deficient that they'll never understand him anyway.
@@Beatnik59 Lucky?!?!! to have died from cancer at only 52 due to medical incompetence? are you trolling here or just plain dumb or both? while you may not agree with Frank's views on the different sexes and also re sex, there's absolutely nothing to indicate that he would have terrorized and/or harassed women, as his interviewer was alleged to have done leading to the loss of his employment. Frank's lyrics not withstanding--he was reporting what he observed in society. according to former female employees, Frank was actually quite respectful to all people, unless their behavior provided him reason to act otherwise. so your tiny mind can comprehend--this is reference to how he spoke to people, this is NOT saying he sexually harassed because someone's behavior meant they deserved it. Pauline Butcher and Dale Bozio if you are actually interested in the truth.
It's a shame that many people of vision are no longer with us, and we are left with the nightmare they envisioned because we didn't think or consider what they said might happen and NOW it's too late!!
@@Chris-is6xb I certainly hope so Chris . I do agree with Howard Stern’s rant on the overturning of Roe versus Wade and that horrible Supreme Court . He blames the Electoral College and he talks how the majority of Americans don’t agree with all these religious zealots and they are the minority even though these fanatics are trying to impose their dogma on the majority . Howard was objective enough to state that if it were the majority then you would just have to put up with it but of course it isn’t.
@@FatDave2112Hell was waiting with arms wide open for all three of those haters of God! As bright as they were they missed the most important issue that faces mankind. What do you think of Jesus Christ? John 3, you must be born again to enter the kingdom of God. The Lord is NOT willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. If you refuse the grace of God, you get thrown into spiritual prison, HELL...
I luckily visited Frank at his house on Woodrow Wilson Drive in LA in the 90's because of my PENTHOUSE magazine heritage. He answered the door himself, and invited me in and offered me some ice cream(!) haha I was in my mid thirties I think. We watched a VHS video I edited about anti-censorship, and the moral majority. I cut it all to his awesome song; "I'm the Slime" and he loved it. I waited like a boy in the principles office while he asked me to wait so he could go show it to his wife Gail in bed, who wasn't feeling well, and came down and said she loved it too. It finally (only) aired on Manhattan cable. I'll never forget that experience 'till the day I die. And beyond. He was and is, a genius.
Very little of Zappa's music spoke to me( too artsy, I think). But, he was undoubtedly a musical genius who's virtuosity knew no limits. He knew what his opinions were and came across as having put considered thought into their formation.
What's happening? People are questioning the belief that men can become women and that children need to learn about it? Or are you talking about those awful people who refused to take the safe and effective vaccine?
Really? Are we in a fascist theocracy? If we are then they suck at suppressing all the rampant degeneracy, BLM protests, gender ideology, lgbt indoctrination of children, mass immigration, and a whole slew of other issues that a fascist theocracy would be vehemently against. Where is this supposed fascist theocracy of the cross?
Frank Zappa with quite the Political view on the GOP. How insightful to say fascism is around the corner for them - Don The Con who would have guessed ? I forgot about Pat Robertson the TV Evangelist / Faith healing candidate. Frank saw it happening before it did almost 3 decades later. Really interesting guy.
Its funny how rock stars like frank Zappa(and yes I know he didn't see himself as a rock star) and Neil peart(drummer of Rush) seem more intelligent and take politics more seriously than today's world leaders, like trumps twitter is just a huge joke...
I think a lot of that is they aren't running for office and don't need to lie. There is no attempt to manipulate perception, but just say it as they see it. Politics, in operation, is the opposite. To succeed in politics, is to be a liar.
@@mejsmith1 That's a great point. I used to wonder why such astute artists never broke into politics, but they'd only be stifled. They're intelligent enough to know what's going on, and smart enough to stay out of it.
Wow this is in so many ways identical to present times. It’s could be another interviewer another interviewee and absolutely word-for-word dialogue lol
False. You're taking Zappa's words out of context, and I know why. This video is from 1988. Scientific research confirmed that a new human life starts at conception. In these last ten years nobody forced you to "believe in" something.
@@dadaistaingegniere False. "Science" never proved anything of the sort. If you got your head out of the forced-birther echo chamber, you might learn some actual, factual science. By the way, the vast majority of people in US agree with me. Or do all those election losses when reproductive rights were on the ballot just a liberal conspiracy? Also, Zappa was disgusted by US conservatism, and would rip you a new one for implying he would support christofascism. I can't think of someone more polar opposite to him than the Handmaid's Tale nutjobs in the modern GOP.
The way Zappa predicted what we see today in the US is so clear-headed and almost prophetic... I am in awe of that man. Not only does he see the exact outlines of how the GOP and right-wing approach will shape the US in the future he articulates them beautifully.
Political wisdom comes from a clear history memory and class identity. Zappa knew the history of class war in the USA and saw the agenda of fascism displayed by the GOP at the wealthy class service. Today his words make perfect sense.
Zappa: "When the dogma becomes legislation, that's when you have the dangers. I have this horrible fear that the United States could wend its way towards being a fascist theocracy. The cross converted into a symbol of fascism in the service of politics...."
It's not happening by accident. There are organizations that explicitly have this as their goal. They don't use those exact words, of course, but the words they do use are transparent euphemisms.
Really? Are we in a fascist theocracy? If we are then they suck at suppressing all the rampant degeneracy, BLM protests, gender ideology, lgbt indoctrination of children, mass immigration, and a whole slew of other issues that a fascist theocracy would be vehemently against. Where is this supposed fascist theocracy of the cross?
@@davidgoodwin9594 I don’t care for the guy, but Biden does seem generally capable of not forcing his religious beliefs onto the general population. Problem is just being an example of that isn’t enough for partisan morality police.
I truly believe frank was a libertarian. Stunned to learn he chose to not drink or do drugs in a culture drowning in it. And a father and husband at a time when that wasn’t hip.
Agreed. He would have a field-day with Trump, or maybe not, because Frank tended to go for non-populist things and given there's an avalanche of hate toward Trump already, perhaps Frank might have left his alone. When the Kent State university atrocity occurred, I asked Frank if he would write a song about it. He said, 'no. Other people are already doing it.'
@@cynthianaslim Well it is a matter of taste and genre but yes Elvis was the King and he didn’t do dirty or satire and is more iconic than Frank. So that out of the way I will say personally as an amateur Guitarist that Frank got some of the most remarkable SG and Strat tones that I ever heard and Elvis wasn’t a composer . I love both of them but for me the Fab Four are the best .
Prescient. How thoughtful men used to behave. Frank Zappa should be on the Mt. Rushmore of American ideals, strive to be like Frank, find something you love, do it well. When something bad is happening get involved. He should get a chapter in american history books to inspire kids.
@@JC-sj2pd Hell literally makes no sense. But since you utterly abandoned all respect for logic and reason in your haste to show fealty to a 1800 year old cult, I have to ask, what use is debating people? Debate assumes both participants understand and respect logic? Since you've conveniently abandoned logic as a principle, telling someone they're going to hell is tantamount to an ad hominem attack.
@@JC-sj2pd "you'll see"??? WOW! thank you for showing all of us the light with that well thought out intelligent answer. finally, a true Christian, just like Christ and trying to help out his enemies. blessed are you, you hypocrite asshole J C. lol
it's eerie how close to right zappa is today in 2023. he is philosophical and i believe he could have the power to change our country for good...and reasonable people might support this clear heading thinking...
@@johndalton3180 LOL.. no... You don't know what fascism is nor theocracy. Fascism and socialism were already alive and very well in the USA prior to Trump appearing on the horizon. Theocracy is not on even the remote horizon at this point. We're at minimum two generations out from something like that, and there's almost zero influence in that direction right now.
"Adherence to responsibility and an adherence to dogma. When the dogma becomes legislation that's when you have the danger" ... And here we are 25 years later and we have the danger!
+Paul TheSkeptic The Constitution prevents the GOP from making good on the promises they make to the 6000 year old Earth crowd. That's why the kooks support Ben Carson today. He's correct about the Reagan campaign's strategy. But the GOP is all about enacting policies that support the wealthy donors (something he apparently supports). They talk about marriage, prayer, abortion to get the kooks to vote for them and then they ignore them until the next election. As a result you get Ben Carson who wants God to design his tax plan. The kooks are frustrated. They didn't like a Mormon candidate in the last election.
"But the GOP is all about enacting policies that support the wealthy donors (something he apparently supports). " Nothing at all apparent about that. There's nothing here resembling it. He said 'People like to do business", that the GOP should stick to pro-business, but earlier he says that some Republicans pose as moderate then find out "the Right is paying the freight".
Forcing Google+ Makes Me Feel Better About the Spying Every republican candidate is a religious kook who would like to infuse their Christianity into our government.
+Sweence Sorry I was trying to define the word to sommerioslo. I agree entirely. It's incredible that Bernie Sanders is considered left wing, when he's barely center-left.
The ability of the right to buy influence that Zappa spoke of was increased an order of magnitude by Citizen's United decision in 2010. And hence we see the rapid slide towards a "fascist theocracy" Zappa also warned of here. Pretty smart guy.
Interesting how the left isn’t far from the same thing he’s concluded the right was at the time. Big fan of Zappa’s intellect whether he’s right or left.
Thanks so much for sharing this. I can't believe, that of all people, it was a musician, who was warning the general American public about the threat the religious right was becoming.
2:01 The irony being that fascism is derived from the Roman Empire (aka "The Beast"), the arch-enemy of Christianity. Further irony would be that, if you ask certain Christians what they think of this sort of thing, they'd say that the businessmen are the fascists because of their social darwinism and callous attitude toward the working poor. And what's really ironic is that fascists, themselves, claim to be on the side of the working class!
Agree. So the man liked women. He wasn't Trumpish about it. And at least CR was good looking. Lol. He knows how to conduct an interview with a good exchange of conversation and questions.
Thinking about Charlie Rose's "issues" only makes me think of what kind of "issues" would have surfaced with Frank Zappa, had he been here today. And before the Boomers pile in here and say "you don't know Zappa," just how much do THEY know about Zappa? Probably just as much as they knew about Cosby, or Epstein, or Weinstein. But then, when the women came forward, they told a whole different story.
@@BethCollier31 "So the man liked women." He sexually harrassed 27 women. If that ain't Trumpish, I don't know what is. It isn't a compliment to be sexually harrassed in the workplace. It's gross and unprofessional. Jesus H.
@@KatieRaeRae fucking double standards. Your politics, "morals" or how good you are at your job shouldn't give you a free pass. Still though Trump is on a whole other level, practically every woman who's interacted with him privately has something bad to say about him.
Isn't it amazing how the media portrays people like Frank Zappa the way they did and do.... right up until he shows up on a talk show, and then the media's take on Zappa vapourizes....and America now see's a fellow American as one of the really smart and lovable ones.
You think Trump is in the pocket of people like Robertson? 😂🤣😂🤣😎 Yeah, a thrice-married "business Democrat" and Manhattan socialite is a Bible beater. It's quite sad, actually, how CNN, MSNBC, NYT and WaPo have completely skull-fucked so many people... BTW, Frank called himself a "practical conservative." It's in his autobiography; look it up. He might well have seen Trump as a cult leader - but he would have seen Obama as one, also.
@Miles Willy compare jan. 6 to the BLM protests? Where ironically multiple blacks like David Dorn were killed. 🤣🤣🤣 As Zappa said he supports the entrepreneurial side of the GOP.
@@ravendarkjolls4028 Two wrongs don't make a right. You wagging your finger at BLM to avoid the subject is disgusting and despicable. Look at yourself and what you're trying to justify.
2023-06-17: I liked the Mothers of Invention 😮before this and still do and think Zappa was a genius. But I was also a county chairperson in Dubuque County, Iowa, for Robertson in 1988. I miss both Zappa and Robertson. We need more outside the box thinking these days. Robertson won the caucus in our county (but not in the state) and was proud of carrying this very Catholic Dubuque County with a lot of Catholic support. I don’t claim to speak for all, or even most Robertson’s supporters, and my perspective has evolved over the years, and the following uses some 20-20 hindsight, But here is how I see it right now in 2023: I think a big part of what we Robertson supporters were doing was trying to prevent the situation we have right now in June 2023. We probably didn’t envision all the insanity we have today, but we knew there was a real risk in national Godlessness, I think many people today would rather have more of that traditional morality back than have women having to compete against men in women’s sports, gender insanity with young children suffering genital mutilation with government subsidized disorientation, people’s votes being bought with their grandchildren’s money, an open border, an LGBTQ+¿ flag being displayed more prominently (between 2 US flags) than the US flag at the White House, and our nation flooded with fentanyl and human (child sex) trafficking and unidentifiable people from all over the world with unknown agendas spread throughout the country (including “got-alway” immigrants from countries antagonistic to our own. The situation is now 180º from what Zappa had described in this interview, and it is conservatism that has been outspent (by billionaires) and more censored out of, and excluded from, serious debate. Actually serious debate has been endangered. And now the big and dirty money is overwhelmingly supporting the left, Education, entertainment, popular eleemosynary activities, government agencies, media and social media all nearly always aligned in support of the left. “Who Are the Brain Police?” We Americans have despised our birthright (freedom, democracy, citizenship, etc.) and sold it for a pot of putrid porridge. Whether we can be like the Prodigal Son and find our way home remains to be seen. Lord help us turn this around,. Pl3ase !? 🙏🏼
"... I have this horrible fear that the United States could wind its way toward being a fascist theocracy, the cross converted into a symbol of fascism in the service of politics, this is bad ..."
Progressive fascism. Everything they do will be backed by the moral superiority they've put in people's heads: no one is going to have a problem dropping bombs or seizing property if it's all in the name of "equality" these days.
@@i-never-look-at-replies-lol progressive fascism? That's an oxymoron as fascism is a far right ideology. And theocratic tendencies like the religious right pushing for their agenda in government is more like traditional fascism, where the state merges nationalism and religion as a unifying factor. The last time I checked Progressives did not and has never advocated for that. Progressives advocate separation between church and state, which Zappa clearly agrees with. Does that makes him a progressive? Not necessarily, that's just one point out of many they would agree with. On the other hand, Zappa was jabbing at the religious right involvement in politics, which is clearly an agenda of the rightwing GOP today, not the Progressives.
At 1:44, Zappa says "... there's a difference between responsibility and adherense to dogma... when the dogma becomes legislation, that's when you have the danger..." I had to look up dogma, in order to get a definition, I got this: "a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true." OK, note the use of the word "principles." To address Mr. Zappa's statements I have to start out saying: OK let's take an example to see if what he says is true. Amongst the 10 Commandments is: Thous Shalt Not Steal. This "prinicipal" (or what Zappa has called dogma) has been codified into law, and it has worked quite well. Laws against stealing prevent a large percentage of people from stealing. So, in that regard, dogma, became legislation, and it has worked to reduce crime. Now, where Zappa is right, can be illustrated by the Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery. Even though there were laws that made it illegal to cheat on your spouse. However, these infidelity laws haven't seemed to stop this "activity." So, the law really doesn't work. This goes along with Zappa's statement that legistaling morality doesn't work. As we can see by these two examples, legislating morality does work, but only some of the time. So, Zappa's statment is only partially true. About dogma becoming dangerous when it's codified into law: That depends on the dogma. Some dogma, when it's codified into law works, and benefits society. But, Zappa's point is that you can't have the church running the state. And, that is a good point. Of course if you "follow the money" (as he's pointing out), it will lead you to who is buying influence. I think that the larger issue here, is the issue of campaign contributions, and allowing lobbyists to buy favor of congress people. With our system, we're set up to let "he who has the biggest pot of money to give to a politician" wins. I always enjoy Zappa's words.
Frank Zappa was brilliant, absolutely brilliant, and I'm reminded why Charlie Rose was so hard to watch with his constant interrupting. He's a terrible listener and a grandstander
I agree that the religious right & Republican party peaked in terms of influence during George W. Bush's terms; it was a perfect storn that still wreaks havoc in regards to massive sweeping censorship campaigns. Which were another thing Frank felt strongly about.
@@jackmerlotdoesntliveherean9652 Placing an advisor label on a product does not equate to censorship, and the only massive movement in the modern era to censor anything at all is generally coming from the democrats/left, in the form of labeling things 'hate speech', and in regards to the events of 2020- now..
@@america1st721which network has enjoyed decades as the unquestioned champion of cable news ratings? I can tell you it sure as shit isn’t a leftist one.
frank Zappa was ahead of the curve, in music, in political observation, and in social intercourse, right from the early days, and I often wonder at what he might have become had he lived until now.
Frank's always been interviewed by these extremely common-sensed journalists, and he always managed to shed a spotlight in the superficiality of their arguments without being rude. This guy sounds like he has lived through the 2020's and is telling the world what he has seen in his trip to the future. Frank's amazing
Except he was wrong about McCarthy and didn't realize the Religious Right is not actually religious. The churches were captured by LBJ by turning them into government-controlled 501c3 Charities. They then had to teach Zionism over Christianity. A couple generations have been brainwashed to love their Slave Masters.
The media is to the right? That is laughable! When it comes to politics and God Frank and his admirers are comically wrong. A well informed high-school kid would crush his lies in a debate.
@@DAVYMAC How old are you?
@@DAVYMAC Zappa was right at the time. If you were older, you would know. So, he wasn't lying, son. BTW, I just got back from a retreat... with my fellow Generals. This is an order: Drop and give me 100, numb nuts!
@@DAVYMAC You're a stolen valor liar or you're committing treason in Biden's Woke Military. Which is it?
35 years later and what he says- has come true. There has been a steady march towards a Fascist theocracy in the US ever since.
While the media turns left...go figure.
The left in this country would be totally okay with a fascist country. Just look who is calling the shots now.
CNN just proved him right by taking a sharp turn to the right. Watching the USA turn into a fascist theocracy is not a pretty sight. It's quite ugly. Ugly Americans indeed.
@@mooganstooker2419 CNN's current direction shits all over that idea. Back to the drawing board for you.
@@mooganstooker2419 Outside of MSNBC, everyone is headed farther and farther right. In CNN's case, they're basically attempting to paint themselves as the "both sides"/Republican apologist network now.
His ability to understand and articulate the logical conclusion of the 80s GOP is truly astounding. Many others were talking around the issue at the time, seeing the signs and understanding it to a lesser degree. Zappa cut right to the chase and distilled it as if he had a Time Machine. And he wasn’t afraid to say it. Others had things to lose, but Zappa was incorruptible.
It is unfortunate that still today when the fascist propaganda is so blatant…..it is not called out. Especially in the media.
You're a fan.
He sounds like Hitler going after Jews.
I mean yeah maybe but the GOP doesn't run anything in this country. All the cities and the establishment are dominated by left wing politics. Simple as.
Zappa had as much or more to lose as anyone, but he stuck to his guns in his art and life.
Zappa was a bloody genius. And the thing is that there were others warning about all of this as well. George Carlin springs to mind.
corporate theology & authoritative legal literature censorship. Remember the blue law.l
I miss the pair for them every day we slide more and more into this bullshit swamp the GOP setup and the Dems seem happy to use to their ends.
Yes, true. We weren't paying attention. At least I wasn't, being in the midst of my younger life and career. I woke up during the Civil Rights movement, and that led me to focus on the political arena.
He was Jewish and aware of his enemies.
Bill Hicks has been calling corporate executives suckers of satans cock since 89’ in Sane Man. Bill nuked the media and government
This man was so brilliant he predicted the future "I have this horrible fear that the United States could lend its way toward being a fascist theocracy, the cross converted into a symbol of fascism in the service of politics, this is bad"
@@jimbobb3509 mo. actually is right on.
@@jimbobb3509 you would.
That is exactly what Mr. Trump did!
Não, um monte de merda democrata sim
@@jimbobb3509 How so? There are roughly a dozen christian churches within a half mile radius of my home. My cable service has 12 channels devoted to christian broadcasting. Several states have violated the Constitution by requiring religious tests as a prerequisite for public office. Previously illegal discrimination on wholly non-religious matters are being permitted unabated. Mega church pastors fly in private jets costing hundreds of millions of dollars that could be put to better use. I could go on, but whenever someone truthfully points out the hypocrisy of christian so-called morality, they cry and whine about being attacked.
"Never have the churches been the guardians of the liberties of the people" - John Adams!!!
Source?
I'm thinking you might have had in mind these words from James Madison's "Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments":
"If Religion be not within the cognizance of Civil Government how can its legal establishment be necessary to Civil Government? What influence in fact have ecclesiastical establishments had on Civil Society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the Civil authority; in many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny: in no instance have they been seen the guardians of the liberties of the people."
Madison also wrote (same source), "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
Here is an Adams quotation, from his letter to Jedidiah Morse, 5 January 1816:
"To talk or think of liberty, or Privileges, under a military government, is as idle & absurd as under an Ecclesiastical Government."
@@brandonmooney2767I happen to be religious, so I don’t particularly agree with all of Madison’s conclusions here, though I can appreciate where he’s coming from given the historical context.
I respect you for citing a viable foundational source in the consideration and debate of these matters.
It’s just a shame that so many Americans demonize one another before attempting at arriving at some measure of mutual understanding.
@@Keep83he’s speaking about what the evidence shows. Christianity had a millennia and a half of complete control over governments and during that time they were only responsible for crowning kings and Emperors. Nowhere was “Democratic government” on their minds. If anything, that was a pagan institution.
@@Keep83the founding fathers saw, in their own lifetimes and the centuries before them, the violent and tyrannical regimes of Europe, consecrated by the Church, and how state churches led to bloody religious wars. Many of America’s early settlers were themselves fleeing religious repression and persecution.
Most evil business on earth this thing catholic church. Ppl need stop thinking it's religion. It's corruption money sex abuse, lies, secrets, abuse, trauma. Causes depression anxiety. Coz mental emotional block. Controlled servant robot type. So this will be controlled by big pharma, all lies on news tv everything they will be fooled. It's opposite of human purpose. To remove the accumulated trash such as fear guilt EGO. These heaven hell business do the exact opposite. It's gamble drug etc same fear guilt trap.. child soldier or gang member. It's same disharmony causes the robot to go church give money in mental state. Same as the gang member sell drug for gang soldier kill. They imprisoned in the baggage places by the other. THE REAL SELF)SOUL)GOD. UNDER THE TRASH. RELIGION SWAMP HOLD GWAD UNDER DROWN UNTIL LAST BREATH IN THE BAGGAGE.
PURPISE , CONTROL THAT ONE BIRTH TO DEATH" A SLAVE.
NOT EVEN ONE JEW MUSLIM CATHOLIC IN HEAVEN HELL NOW.
Fake business using Jesus name as a logo. ITS FEAR GUILT ONLY. All heaven hells is same business model. Big pharma uses all the tricks of heaven hell lies. Especially on elderly
Frank was so completely right on about the direction of American politics in the 80s.
AND TODAY!
Came here to say that. He was so right on all counts.
@@leadoucet1432 Yep. It's stunning how right he has been proving to be.
@@leadoucet1432 He's been a hero of mine since I first 'found' him in 1966.
@@Polyphemus47 ✌
"When you start trying to legislate morality - you`ve got a problem"
That`s what was happening in the past, that`s what`s happening today.
That's what's happening now . look at texas
Legislating morality to enforce family values is great. The problem is those who don't fall in line
So only legislating immorality is ok?
@@DRourk immortality is being legislated. Look for payback
@@averagebodybuilder Oh I'm well aware that immorality is being legislated. In fact most legislation is immoral.
The argument that legislating morality is a problem though is kind of ridiculous when all things are considered.
"The Cross converted into a symbol of Fascism." How prophetic.
Inverted they do as they please
Ironically, the Church is what fought for liberties in these past 3 years. And I say that as an atheist. The only fascism today is that of the leftist, globalist-backed Biden Regime. It holds the monopoly.
fascism is actually the rainbow flag now
He's talking about the maskerade of religion to boost politics. A very christian do not "impose" Christianity to no one, he just call on it.
@@KevinKenna-j6o Kevin, we're so happy you're out of prison finally.
Wow, what an articulate and smart man, Frank was
Truly - He saw the future mess we are now dealing with
@@reneharde3459 he certainly did. Too bad he was right, though 😔
@@reneharde3459 trump Lost
@@gregtennessee8249 Do you honestly think the country is out of the woods yet? I'm not that optimistic.....
@@gregtennessee8249 Trump won
*Barry Goldwater said this over 50 years ago: "Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." --- Barry Goldwater*
So, christians should have no representation in government, voting rights recinded?
Barry Goldwater was absolutely right.
They are the worst, and most of them are as dumb as dirt!
He was also correct.
So what? America is nothing special. Neither was Rome. Human extinction is my hope for this Planet. More George Santos. More MTG. More Trump! More Putin! Let's get humans eradicated ASAFP! Vote for these lunatics PLEASE!
100% correct. He experienced Reagan and knew what was coming.
Frank rejected Our Lord and Savior Ronald Reagan, so God and the media had to "cancel" him.
Reagan wasn’t so bad. I had it made financially in his terms. Not like today at all.
@@vonholland64Reagan sucked. FDR, Truman, Kennedy, pre-Vietnam LBJ, and Carter were where it was at.
Frank wasn’t a lefty, either, at least not as we think of it. He was probably more of a “classical liberal“ if anything.
@@RandomNonsense1985
LBJ was an evil criminal, and Carter is now the 2nd worst POTUS, the worst now being Joe "The Criminal" Biden.
You are woefully ignorant.
Speaking of changes in the media, it's hard to imagine such a erudite conversation happening anywhere on television these days.
If you think back to a week ago when x45 was on CNN... 🙄
@@leadoucet1432ppl have no appreciation for how much the press softballed it with him
@@dkupke Yes , it's a shocking and scary.
@@anthony27334 after how he behaved during the first Republican primary debate, the RNC and the networks never should have allowed him back on the debate stage
@@dkupke Among those with no appreciation for that, the press takes the cake.
All 2015 they euphorically rolled in the money with no brakes.
For the next 5 years they made even more money hemming and hawing about how chaotic things were.
Now that it's boring again they are doing their best to open that money fountain again.
Recklessness beyond imagination.
I was in my 20s in the 70s and we were having these same conversations then.
What comes around goes around.
I became a “Reagan democrat“ in 1980. In 1988 I joined the Republican Party so I could vote for Jack Kemp over then Vice President George Bush in Republican primary election.
I removed myself from the republican party in 2017 when the then republican commander-in-chief said my brother can not serve in the US military simple because they labeled his as a Trans Man.
I love, and respect my brother, he lives by such a upstanding life of code, of honor, and respect. It broke my heart to see him (and others of the Trans Community) so wrongly dishonored.
Now more than ever… I still miss Frank Zappa!
I miss this man so much.
Prophetic words that ring so true even to this day... from the legendary Frank Zappa. R.I.P.
Ring true to this day? Buddy, we're living the exact opposite of what he's saying, the dogma that rules today is the woke culture that most brainless idiots will try to cancel you if you disagree with.
👍👍👍👍👍
I think was dead on near his time of death that someone was out to kill him
He was a Christian show some respect
Frank was a very perceptive and politically intelligent man. Miss him.
Apparently praying and karma will resolve these world issues for our children next
It is 2023 and Frank’s prophecies are here, RIGHT NOW!
Really? Are we in a fascist theocracy? If we are then they suck at suppressing all the rampant degeneracy, BLM protests, gender ideology, lgbt indoctrination of children, mass immigration, and a whole slew of other issues that a fascist theocracy would be vehemently against. Where is this supposed fascist theocracy of the cross?
What with left-wing lunacy? Yea your right
Sean D. Moore • you took the words right out of my thoughts.
So true.
@@PeterNgolaSpace Lazers. Book banning. The War on Disney. Abortion bans. Anti Vaxxers. Covid deniers. Rapists. Traitors. Insurrectionists. Election deniers. Gay bashing. Nazis marches.
The lunatics are mainstream on the right, and fringe on the left.
It’s just a fact.
Frank died too soon to remind people of their smug idiocies. Yet he died just in time not to endure the present madness.
I wish Zappa was still here, but if he was, in this current political climate , let alone January 6, would have crushed his spirit.
@@hartubmoses6645- Nope, Frank would have composed another typically obnoxious song and turn up the amps. He would find a way to make them suffer. He would have even considered running for high office, like US Congress.
@@hartubmoses6645 Zappa was mulling a presidential run . if nothing else it would have been fantastic to see him on national TV debating all those lame politicians
@@hartubmoses6645 Would have made more unbelievably good music.
His death may have been a silencing....suss asf
2023. Don't try and outsmart this man If it wasn't music it would have been 'politics', Science philosophy or anything he chose. A genius and unique. Missed by many.
One solid third (at least) of this nation has never, nor will it ever understand the meaning behind the phrase: 'Separation of church and state.'
You can thank them directly for crippling our efforts to evolve this nation forward.
Yeah, they seem to have problems with anything that revolves around the word evolve.
The good news is that generation is getting older and the younger generation is not falling for the religion bullshit.
they EXPLICITLY OPPOSE the absolute FIRST PRIORITY of the Bill of Rights: Freedom of Speech & Separation of Church and State. which mean they are as ANTI-AMERICAN as can be. like trump, they are the TRUE TRAITORS!
"Separation of Church and State" does not exist anywhere in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence. Nice try, though.
@@fl3082 just because you lie about something does not make it so. no matter how many times you repeat your lie, it remains false. try to READ the ACTUAL WORDS that i wrote ^^^ above instead of just making shit up like your orange daddy do.
i stated the FIRST of the BILL OF RIGHTS and the BILL OF RIGHTS are the 1st ten amendments to the Constitution, so YES SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE ACTUALLY IS PART OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. It is stated as part of the 1st AMENDMENT OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS! Not only that, but the Founding Fathers chose keeping the god-damned church out of our government along with Freedom of the Press AND Freedom of Speech are all 3 MORE IMPORTANT to our nation than are fucking guns!
He was such a smart guy, I wish I would have appreciated him more back in the day.
He did a good job hiding behind his facade of rock anarchist. Perhaps if he took sometime to hang out with Christopher Hitchens, discuss the irrationality of religion with Richard Dawkins, or Sam Harris, he would have been taken more seriously.
I’ve been listening to his music and his position since 1967, he is the MAN💪💪💪🤠
@Ms. Ann Thrope
Christopher Hitchens was decent until he supported the invasion of Iraq.
Wtf?!
1) war
2) US had been imperialist up till then. Why would one think that suddenly stopped.
@@ms.annthrope415 He wanted to play guitar and rock , more than pontificate and showboat his views.
@@ms.annthrope415 the problem with Hitchens, Dawkins, and Harris is they all (in the end) became obsessed with islam. Don't get me wrong, islam has its issues (I lived in a muslim country for two years) but it's no crazier than christianity, Lenin, or Mengistu.
The difference between Zappa and those aforementioned individuals is that Zappa manifested spirit with his life's work. Zappa actually makes atheism attractive because his music and business prowess are boundless in nature, a bit like cosmology. He is as interesting as Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan, a veritable saint of atheism. Sam Harris, on the other hand, is one of the most dreary, stultifying bores that I've ever had the displeasure of listening to.
It’s almost spooky how correct Frank’s predictions are true now.
Anyone with a critical sensibility and functioning brain saw it in Frank's day as well... he wasn't a lone voice in the wilderness. The fascists have persisted with their line ever since, thus "normalising" their bigotry.
He's not the only one that knew.
@@charonbadmann8904 - The situation has ALWAYS been around; when the original British colonies had to deal with the fact that most preachers were the Anglican(Church of England) Church, and they wanted a tax levy to help pay them. The Pilgrims were a group of Religious troublemakers who had been thrown out of England. And further back into history; the Catholics ran Europe and started the Crusades - which are still remembered by Muslims today, and on and on. The GOP, as Zappa pointed out, started this modern Crusade - which is causing trouble TODAY - as a reaction to the exciting freedom of behavior begun in the 1950s and 60s, and that freedom and happiness was seen as as a calamity for American churches. So the Preachers - who had recently begun to televise their preaching - began telling their listeners what to do - and found that they could influence elections. The Republicans, who thought of the way young people acted as "just disgraceful" and hated short skirts and guys with long hair, kinda always hung out with those people anyway - the town councils and chambers of commerce were places that politicians hung out; just like churches.☹
Spooky are the leftist cool-aid drinkers. This guy was wrong on every point!
@@DavidSmith-ss1cg Catholics didn't "start" the Crusades. Who's symbol has the sword ? Who believes in sharia law ?
Was für ein klarer Kopf und so angenehm zu hören. Ich liebe ihn heute noch für seine Art Danke Frank Zappa und Familie
what are you saying? english please
I’d love to have heard what he would have thought of trump. Lol. This guy had it right so many years ago.
What would he have said abour our current, somewhat senile, President?
@@normhardy there you go projecting your own wishes on a non event. Better than trying to overthrow the friggin government. The gop ain’t in support of democracy, but dictatorship. And people like you willingly follow him. Go study some history of 1930's Germany.
@@normhardy Frank Zappa wouldn’t like Biden…but, like so many of us, he would recognize that the Donald and most republicans are so much worse
He would piss on trump,
@@normhardy Great reply from you. Your truth crushes their lies.
Frank Zappa was so smart, so articulate, and had so much common sense. His fear is coming to pass. 😞
How ironic it is that it's the lack of religion & dnc married to fascism..
He only though he had insite
He was so prophetic, so missed. We need a voice like that now
I think this generation's Frank Zappa is Jon Stewart.
@@beteljooz6180 I agree, except he goes one step farther. He gets laws passed & uses his platform to shine a light on many left wing causes
@beteljooz I was going to say exactly that. Glad you did.
There are voices like his but they never make it to the tv set because people like him do not generate enough ad revenue. People have been so dumbed down and have developed such an attention deficient that they'll never understand him anyway.
You do, Donald Trump
Man I miss Frank. Love him or hate him he had passion and steadfast beliefs.
@@Beatnik59 Frank was no pervert. Fk U.
He's full of shit
@@Beatnik59 Lucky?!?!! to have died from cancer at only 52 due to medical incompetence? are you trolling here or just plain dumb or both? while you may not agree with Frank's views on the different sexes and also re sex, there's absolutely nothing to indicate that he would have terrorized and/or harassed women, as his interviewer was alleged to have done leading to the loss of his employment.
Frank's lyrics not withstanding--he was reporting what he observed in society. according to former female employees, Frank was actually quite respectful to all people, unless their behavior provided him reason to act otherwise. so your tiny mind can comprehend--this is reference to how he spoke to people, this is NOT saying he sexually harassed because someone's behavior meant they deserved it. Pauline Butcher and Dale Bozio if you are actually interested in the truth.
@@Beatnik59 Put up some facts or STFU.
Yes, he was just like Christians that way.
A fascist theocracy. What a brilliant turn of phrase and spot on prediction. Frank saw the GOP of 2023.
Nailed it! Kudos Frank, not only were you a killer guitar player also a brilliant analyst.
OMG!! He actually said “fascist theocracy!!” Why did no one listen? Let’s hope it’s not too late.
So spot on !! Your country is in real bad shape , sad to say !
Too late for what?
Thank you that was great. And they barely scratched the surface. This was in my mind just a teaser of where this conversation could have gone.
It's a shame that many people of vision are no longer with us, and we are left with the nightmare they envisioned because we didn't think or consider what they said might happen and NOW it's too late!!
Take heart. They ARE with us, they're just not on these platforms.
@@Chris-is6xb I certainly hope so Chris . I do agree with Howard Stern’s rant on the overturning of Roe versus Wade and that horrible Supreme Court . He blames the Electoral College and he talks how the majority of Americans don’t agree with all these religious zealots and they are the minority even though these fanatics are trying to impose their dogma on the majority . Howard was objective enough to state that if it were the majority then you would just have to put up with it but of course it isn’t.
Yes, but at the same time, in a way I'm glad Zappa, Thompson, and Carlin don't have to see their worst fears realized.
@@FatDave2112Hell was waiting with arms wide open for all three of those haters of God! As bright as they were they missed the most important issue that faces mankind. What do you think of Jesus Christ? John 3, you must be born again to enter the kingdom of God. The Lord is NOT willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. If you refuse the grace of God, you get thrown into spiritual prison, HELL...
@@Rixster53 shut up, fundie.
geez Frank you have no idea how much we need you now😑
Also George Carlin.
@@iconoclast4440 and DICK GREGORY....
Amen
I really want a Zima.....
I luckily visited Frank at his house on Woodrow Wilson Drive in LA in the 90's because of my PENTHOUSE magazine heritage. He answered the door himself, and invited me in and offered me some ice cream(!) haha I was in my mid thirties I think. We watched a VHS video I edited about anti-censorship, and the moral majority. I cut it all to his awesome song; "I'm the Slime" and he loved it. I waited like a boy in the principles office while he asked me to wait so he could go show it to his wife Gail in bed, who wasn't feeling well, and came down and said she loved it too. It finally (only) aired on Manhattan cable. I'll never forget that experience 'till the day I die. And beyond. He was and is, a genius.
When the dogma becomes legislation, that's when you have the danger. Right on the money.
Well said Micheal G.
Let's not forget FZ, he cared and he knew the score. Brilliant man.
Very little of Zappa's music spoke to me( too artsy, I think). But, he was undoubtedly a musical genius who's virtuosity knew no limits. He knew what his opinions were and came across as having put considered thought into their formation.
Wow....Not only a musical genius but spot on.....we are right here right now
Prophetic in his assessment and look what’s happening now! He was such a smart man!
Yeah, we now have transgenders doing strip shows in front of children.
Oh, you might have some restrictions on killing your baby. Boo hoo.
In 2023 I'd rather have a country run by the sane right than the current utter insanity of the extreme left.
What's happening? People are questioning the belief that men can become women and that children need to learn about it? Or are you talking about those awful people who refused to take the safe and effective vaccine?
I agree, way ahead of his time, he is saying what people are saying now...
Really? Are we in a fascist theocracy? If we are then they suck at suppressing all the rampant degeneracy, BLM protests, gender ideology, lgbt indoctrination of children, mass immigration, and a whole slew of other issues that a fascist theocracy would be vehemently against. Where is this supposed fascist theocracy of the cross?
Frank Zappa with quite the Political view on the GOP. How insightful to say fascism is around the corner for them - Don The Con who would have guessed ? I forgot about Pat Robertson the TV Evangelist / Faith healing candidate. Frank saw it happening before it did almost 3 decades later. Really interesting guy.
Its funny how rock stars like frank Zappa(and yes I know he didn't see himself as a rock star) and Neil peart(drummer of Rush) seem more intelligent and take politics more seriously than today's world leaders, like trumps twitter is just a huge joke...
I think a lot of that is they aren't running for office and don't need to lie. There is no attempt to manipulate perception, but just say it as they see it. Politics, in operation, is the opposite. To succeed in politics, is to be a liar.
Everyone's twitter is a huge joke, on all of the people who read it.
I wish Bono would be president and Cher would be vice president
@@mr.horrorchild4094 That would be the real horror.
@@mejsmith1 That's a great point. I used to wonder why such astute artists never broke into politics, but they'd only be stifled.
They're intelligent enough to know what's going on, and smart enough to stay out of it.
Wow this is in so many ways identical to present times. It’s could be another interviewer another interviewee and absolutely word-for-word dialogue lol
"The cross converted into a symbol of fascism, in the service of politics. This is BAD!" Man, nailed the last ten years in one sentence.
Ironic thing is democrats are the fascist ones.
False. You're taking Zappa's words out of context, and I know why.
This video is from 1988. Scientific research confirmed that a new human life starts at conception.
In these last ten years nobody forced you to "believe in" something.
@@dadaistaingegniere False. "Science" never proved anything of the sort. If you got your head out of the forced-birther echo chamber, you might learn some actual, factual science. By the way, the vast majority of people in US agree with me. Or do all those election losses when reproductive rights were on the ballot just a liberal conspiracy?
Also, Zappa was disgusted by US conservatism, and would rip you a new one for implying he would support christofascism. I can't think of someone more polar opposite to him than the Handmaid's Tale nutjobs in the modern GOP.
Zappa seeing the future with 100 percent accuracy.
Seems like this country was foundered" on the concept of separation of Church and State !
The way Zappa predicted what we see today in the US is so clear-headed and almost prophetic... I am in awe of that man. Not only does he see the exact outlines of how the GOP and right-wing approach will shape the US in the future he articulates them beautifully.
Political wisdom comes from a clear history memory and class identity. Zappa knew the history of class war in the USA and saw the agenda of fascism displayed by the GOP at the wealthy class service. Today his words make perfect sense.
Zappa: "When the dogma becomes legislation, that's when you have the dangers. I have this horrible fear that the United States could wend its way towards being a fascist theocracy. The cross converted into a symbol of fascism in the service of politics...."
It's not happening by accident. There are organizations that explicitly have this as their goal. They don't use those exact words, of course, but the words they do use are transparent euphemisms.
Really? Are we in a fascist theocracy? If we are then they suck at suppressing all the rampant degeneracy, BLM protests, gender ideology, lgbt indoctrination of children, mass immigration, and a whole slew of other issues that a fascist theocracy would be vehemently against. Where is this supposed fascist theocracy of the cross?
@Bryan Reed Yes, you are right.
He was close. It's gone so far to be:
a cross converted into a symbol of politics in the service of fascism.
He predicted our current future.
Frank Zappa was prophetic. Not only do we need another voice like Frank's, we need to listen this time around
How about Joe Biden??
@@davidgoodwin9594 I don’t care for the guy, but Biden does seem generally capable of not forcing his religious beliefs onto the general population. Problem is just being an example of that isn’t enough for partisan morality police.
I truly believe frank was a libertarian. Stunned to learn he chose to not drink or do drugs in a culture drowning in it. And a father and husband at a time when that wasn’t hip.
I wish we still had Frank and his wisdom with us today. Everything he is saying here in 1988 is even more true today.
Zappa is 100% correct. Prophetic, even.
Frank was a visionary!
Oh sure,,,Frank knows everything right?
He is sizzling in hell right now.
@@tiedyehobo There's no such thing, except hell on earth. All because of religion.
@@tiedyehobo Curious.. why do you say that?
Would have loved to hear what Zappa would say about this year's political debacle
Shady GroveARR I'd rather hear him sing to be honest.
Agreed. He would have a field-day with Trump, or maybe not, because Frank tended to go for non-populist things and given there's an avalanche of hate toward Trump already, perhaps Frank might have left his alone. When the Kent State university atrocity occurred, I asked Frank if he would write a song about it. He said, 'no. Other people are already doing it.'
Good compromise: I'd love to hear him song about this era's political debacle
I don't think that Frank Zappa would ever support Donald Trump.
Bernie 2016
I think I voted for him once (a write in ) miss him . God bless his soul. So smart , so talented . Thank you for your music
He was an atheist 😂
Can you imagine for one minute Elvis being asked these questions and how he would answer them?
No. People would be asking about his singing and music. Elvis was a lot more talented than Frank.
@@cynthianaslim Well it is a matter of taste and genre but yes Elvis was the King and he didn’t do dirty or satire and is more iconic than Frank. So that out of the way I will say personally as an amateur Guitarist that Frank got some of the most remarkable SG and Strat tones that I ever heard and Elvis wasn’t a composer . I love both of them but for me the Fab Four are the best .
he'd have to ask to colonel what he could or couldnt say. elivs. lol.
@@cynthianaslim dream on. Frank was his own man, Elvis was a puppet.
@@johnthemachine Well, Elvis was a puppet.
Zappa was a genius and saw through a lot of sht, a lot ofm b sh it
And how right he was! Frank nailed it, he could not have put it any better.
Prescient.
How thoughtful men used to behave. Frank Zappa should be on the Mt. Rushmore of American ideals, strive to be like Frank, find something you love, do it well. When something bad is happening get involved.
He should get a chapter in american history books to inspire kids.
Mt Rushmore? You've got to be kidding!!!
@@JonPais Read the three words After 'Rushmore'.
@@tjmul3381 How about you look up the history of Mt Rushmore?
@@JonPais If he looks up the history of Mt. Rushmore the truth would crush him. Great comments from you. Real haters cannot read or face facts.
@@DAVYMAC ❤️
How prophetic Zappa was.Everything he said has come true.
Yes, he knew back then that men could be one women and that people who didn't get vaccinated were bad
@@JC-sj2pd😂😂😂😂 stop it please
@@JC-sj2pd Hell literally makes no sense. But since you utterly abandoned all respect for logic and reason in your haste to show fealty to a 1800 year old cult, I have to ask, what use is debating people? Debate assumes both participants understand and respect logic? Since you've conveniently abandoned logic as a principle, telling someone they're going to hell is tantamount to an ad hominem attack.
@JC-sj2pd you are no different than the extremists from the other religion in the middle east.
@@JC-sj2pd "you'll see"???
WOW! thank you for showing all of us the light with that well thought out intelligent answer. finally, a true Christian, just like Christ and trying to help out his enemies. blessed are you, you hypocrite asshole J C. lol
The Lincoln Project should be playing this on a loop for the entire country to see.
Religion and the right-wing Facistism. He couldn't have been more spot-on for today.
He puts it simply in a way no politician does today.
it's eerie how close to right zappa is today in 2023. he is philosophical and i believe he could have the power to change our country for good...and reasonable people might support this clear heading thinking...
He’s a real fortune teller. He was way ahead of the curve.
Plenty of other people of that era were warning about the dangers. It was just Frank was the only one that occasionally got onto mainstream media.
If Zapper was alive today he would see his fears manifesting.
Perhaps. But not any that he mentioned in this video.
No. He was 100% right. Trump represents a fascist theocracy. He's amazingly prescient here.
@@johndalton3180 LOL.. no...
You don't know what fascism is nor theocracy.
Fascism and socialism were already alive and very well in the USA prior to Trump appearing on the horizon. Theocracy is not on even the remote horizon at this point. We're at minimum two generations out from something like that, and there's almost zero influence in that direction right now.
@DRourk go fuck yourself, scumbag Trumper. Zappa would HATE Trump, and probably you too.
I have to come back and add to my last post because he had this interview 25 years ago... 10 years ago was ALREADY impressive...Wow!
So it is said, so let it be written.
What Zappa said all those years ago has indeed come to pass. Look at the GOP today.
"Adherence to responsibility and an adherence to dogma. When the dogma becomes legislation that's when you have the danger" ... And here we are 25 years later and we have the danger!
He's a smart guy. He sees it like it is.
He has no idea what is going on.
Mak Muk What are you disagreeing with? You want to legislate morality and end separation of church and state?
+Paul TheSkeptic The Constitution prevents the GOP from making good on the promises they make to the 6000 year old Earth crowd. That's why the kooks support Ben Carson today. He's correct about the Reagan campaign's strategy. But the GOP is all about enacting policies that support the wealthy donors (something he apparently supports). They talk about marriage, prayer, abortion to get the kooks to vote for them and then they ignore them until the next election. As a result you get Ben Carson who wants God to design his tax plan. The kooks are frustrated. They didn't like a Mormon candidate in the last election.
Mak Muk From what I'm gathering from reading your comment several times, you seem to agree with him for the most part.
"But the GOP is all about enacting policies that support the wealthy donors (something he apparently supports). " Nothing at all apparent about that. There's nothing here resembling it. He said 'People like to do business", that the GOP should stick to pro-business, but earlier he says that some Republicans pose as moderate then find out "the Right is paying the freight".
Boy, Frank was prophetic in his claim that the US could be run by theocrats.
***** He wasn't prophetic, he was a realist. But maybe you guys don't care about the real world?
+sommerioslo Prophetic implies that he was accurate...
Forcing Google+ Makes Me Feel Better About the Spying Every republican candidate is a religious kook who would like to infuse their Christianity into our government.
+Sweence Sorry I was trying to define the word to sommerioslo. I agree entirely. It's incredible that Bernie Sanders is considered left wing, when he's barely center-left.
Tina Diab You would trust a religious kook who believes in ghosts and devils over over a rationalist? You are an idiot to be sure!
We should have listened to Zappa way back then
I did!...on vinyl
The ability of the right to buy influence that Zappa spoke of was increased an order of magnitude by Citizen's United decision in 2010. And hence we see the rapid slide towards a "fascist theocracy" Zappa also warned of here. Pretty smart guy.
"He had a lot to say, he had a lot of nothing to say, we'll miss him."
Interesting how the left isn’t far from the same thing he’s concluded the right was at the time. Big fan of Zappa’s intellect whether he’s right or left.
Thanks so much for sharing this. I can't believe, that of all people, it was a musician, who was warning the general American public about the threat the religious right was becoming.
The religious right and the trans left will destroy the country
Frank was seeing 40 years ahead of us
"Politics is the entertainment division of the military industrial complex."
Charlie Rose can never stop himself from making himself the interviewee😉
That was always my problem with his show. He couldn't stop wanting to show off. He always had to be host and guest.
Charlie Rose was a Legend in His Own Mind
🎵 every other city we go / every other video 🎵
I've long said ... The "Moral Majority" was neither very moral nor much of a majority.
2:01 The irony being that fascism is derived from the Roman Empire (aka "The Beast"), the arch-enemy of Christianity. Further irony would be that, if you ask certain Christians what they think of this sort of thing, they'd say that the businessmen are the fascists because of their social darwinism and callous attitude toward the working poor. And what's really ironic is that fascists, themselves, claim to be on the side of the working class!
Frank Zappa’s statements were highly prophetic.
Prescient would be a better word, for Frank, don't think he would enjoy being called "prophetic". but that's just my take.
Yes, but the Fascism didn't come from the Christians, it came from the Woke
@@Buz-Lunch-Punx I bet you really believe that .....bless
I know Charlie Rose had his issues but he sure as hell did do great interviews with great guests
Agree. So the man liked women. He wasn't Trumpish about it. And at least CR was good looking. Lol. He knows how to conduct an interview with a good exchange of conversation and questions.
Thinking about Charlie Rose's "issues" only makes me think of what kind of "issues" would have surfaced with Frank Zappa, had he been here today. And before the Boomers pile in here and say "you don't know Zappa," just how much do THEY know about Zappa? Probably just as much as they knew about Cosby, or Epstein, or Weinstein. But then, when the women came forward, they told a whole different story.
Charlie Rose is a dirtbag
@@BethCollier31 "So the man liked women." He sexually harrassed 27 women. If that ain't Trumpish, I don't know what is. It isn't a compliment to be sexually harrassed in the workplace. It's gross and unprofessional. Jesus H.
@@KatieRaeRae fucking double standards. Your politics, "morals" or how good you are at your job shouldn't give you a free pass. Still though Trump is on a whole other level, practically every woman who's interacted with him privately has something bad to say about him.
"When the dogma becomes legislation that's when you have the danger" 35 years later, here we are.
It started with Uncle Ronnie and the "Moral" Majority.
I was so lucky to see Zappa live 3 times in Glasgow Scotland in the 70's. He is a fucking hero
I was impressed with how articulate Zappa was!
Isn't it amazing how the media portrays people like Frank Zappa the way they did and do.... right up until he shows up on a talk show, and then the media's take on Zappa vapourizes....and America now see's a fellow American as one of the really smart and lovable ones.
Always brilliant and will be missed. This was prophetic in respect to our situation with Trump in 2019.
You think Trump is in the pocket of people like Robertson? 😂🤣😂🤣😎 Yeah, a thrice-married "business Democrat" and Manhattan socialite is a Bible beater.
It's quite sad, actually, how CNN, MSNBC, NYT and WaPo have completely skull-fucked so many people...
BTW, Frank called himself a "practical conservative." It's in his autobiography; look it up. He might well have seen Trump as a cult leader - but he would have seen Obama as one, also.
@Miles Willy compare jan. 6 to the BLM protests? Where ironically multiple blacks like David Dorn were killed. 🤣🤣🤣
As Zappa said he supports the entrepreneurial side of the GOP.
@@ravendarkjolls4028 Two wrongs don't make a right. You wagging your finger at BLM to avoid the subject is disgusting and despicable. Look at yourself and what you're trying to justify.
Extraordinary that 37 years ago he predicted a ‘fascist theocracy’ under the GOP. Because that’s where America appears to be heading today.
LOL no.
2023-06-17: I liked the Mothers of Invention 😮before this and still do
and think Zappa was a genius.
But I was also a county chairperson in Dubuque County, Iowa,
for Robertson in 1988.
I miss both Zappa and Robertson.
We need more outside the box thinking these days.
Robertson won the caucus in our county (but not in the state)
and was proud of carrying this very Catholic Dubuque County
with a lot of Catholic support.
I don’t claim to speak for all, or even most Robertson’s supporters,
and my perspective has evolved over the years,
and the following uses some 20-20 hindsight,
But here is how I see it right now in 2023:
I think a big part of what we Robertson supporters were doing
was trying to prevent the situation we have right now in June 2023.
We probably didn’t envision all the insanity we have today,
but we knew there was a real risk in national Godlessness,
I think many people today would rather have more of that traditional morality back
than have women having to compete against men in women’s sports,
gender insanity with young children suffering genital mutilation
with government subsidized disorientation,
people’s votes being bought with their grandchildren’s money,
an open border, an LGBTQ+¿ flag being displayed
more prominently (between 2 US flags) than the US flag at the White House,
and our nation flooded with fentanyl and human (child sex) trafficking
and unidentifiable people from all over the world with unknown agendas
spread throughout the country (including “got-alway” immigrants
from countries antagonistic to our own.
The situation is now 180º from what Zappa had described in this interview,
and it is conservatism that has been outspent (by billionaires)
and more censored out of, and excluded from, serious debate.
Actually serious debate has been endangered.
And now the big and dirty money is overwhelmingly supporting the left,
Education, entertainment, popular eleemosynary activities, government agencies,
media and social media all nearly always aligned in support of the left.
“Who Are the Brain Police?”
We Americans have despised our birthright (freedom, democracy, citizenship, etc.)
and sold it for a pot of putrid porridge.
Whether we can be like the Prodigal Son
and find our way home remains to be seen.
Lord help us turn this around,. Pl3ase !? 🙏🏼
"... I have this horrible fear that the United States could wind its way toward being a fascist theocracy, the cross converted into a symbol of fascism in the service of politics, this is bad ..."
I just got a chill listening to uncle frank leap ahead 50 yrs, and fucking nail it. Dude was a genius
Progressive fascism. Everything they do will be backed by the moral superiority they've put in people's heads: no one is going to have a problem dropping bombs or seizing property if it's all in the name of "equality" these days.
@@i-never-look-at-replies-lol progressive fascism? That's an oxymoron as fascism is a far right ideology. And theocratic tendencies like the religious right pushing for their agenda in government is more like traditional fascism, where the state merges nationalism and religion as a unifying factor. The last time I checked Progressives did not and has never advocated for that. Progressives advocate separation between church and state, which Zappa clearly agrees with. Does that makes him a progressive? Not necessarily, that's just one point out of many they would agree with. On the other hand, Zappa was jabbing at the religious right involvement in politics, which is clearly an agenda of the rightwing GOP today, not the Progressives.
Ironically Mussolini, the first fascist, was an atheist.
Look up the word " Wend"
Frank was being frank about what the Christofascists were up to then and his prediction is so close to unfolding it's scary.😲
At 1:44, Zappa says "... there's a difference between responsibility and adherense to dogma... when the dogma becomes legislation, that's when you have the danger..." I had to look up dogma, in order to get a definition, I got this: "a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true." OK, note the use of the word "principles." To address Mr. Zappa's statements I have to start out saying: OK let's take an example to see if what he says is true. Amongst the 10 Commandments is: Thous Shalt Not Steal. This "prinicipal" (or what Zappa has called dogma) has been codified into law, and it has worked quite well. Laws against stealing prevent a large percentage of people from stealing. So, in that regard, dogma, became legislation, and it has worked to reduce crime. Now, where Zappa is right, can be illustrated by the Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery. Even though there were laws that made it illegal to cheat on your spouse. However, these infidelity laws haven't seemed to stop this "activity." So, the law really doesn't work. This goes along with Zappa's statement that legistaling morality doesn't work. As we can see by these two examples, legislating morality does work, but only some of the time. So, Zappa's statment is only partially true. About dogma becoming dangerous when it's codified into law: That depends on the dogma. Some dogma, when it's codified into law works, and benefits society. But, Zappa's point is that you can't have the church running the state. And, that is a good point. Of course if you "follow the money" (as he's pointing out), it will lead you to who is buying influence. I think that the larger issue here, is the issue of campaign contributions, and allowing lobbyists to buy favor of congress people. With our system, we're set up to let "he who has the biggest pot of money to give to a politician" wins. I always enjoy Zappa's words.
Within a mere 5 seconds of this video the heart of the issue is exposed.
Frank Zappa was brilliant, absolutely brilliant, and I'm reminded why Charlie Rose was so hard to watch with his constant interrupting. He's a terrible listener and a grandstander
@ mandyinseattle ...Rose reminds me of " morning Joe " total ass
So articulate in enunciating what was not only wrong then but has become even more blah blah blah... thumbs up, please.
Zap was ahead of his times and the US MSM became extremely in-bedded(sic) with the GOP government circa 2001-2006.
Nope.
I agree that the religious right & Republican party peaked in terms of influence during George W. Bush's terms; it was a perfect storn that still wreaks havoc in regards to massive sweeping censorship campaigns.
Which were another thing Frank felt strongly about.
@@jackmerlotdoesntliveherean9652 Placing an advisor label on a product does not equate to censorship, and the only massive movement in the modern era to censor anything at all is generally coming from the democrats/left, in the form of labeling things 'hate speech', and in regards to the events of 2020- now..
"I think the media is turning right" I love me some Zappa but man was he off on this one.
He is completely correct about that.
@@RoboticCat08 95% of media is left, what are you talking about?
@@america1st721which network has enjoyed decades as the unquestioned champion of cable news ratings? I can tell you it sure as shit isn’t a leftist one.
frank Zappa was ahead of the curve, in music, in political observation, and in social intercourse, right from the early days, and I often wonder at what he might have become had he lived until now.