That's right, gas is still king. Unless you can afford to keep 10 or 12 dozen of those swappable batteries charged up, ready for when there's a storm and power's going to be out for an extended period of time. I'm totally serious because when you are limited on power you'll scram to lowes or homedepot looking for the biggest generator that holds the most fuel and runs the longest between fillups. Generator's produce nice raw power to get things running. Milwaukee is a favorite of mine however it's power station isn't going to run your well pump to flush toilets, keep central air or forced air gas or oil heat blowing out the vents. It's an excellent product, just not for the bigger picture.
It’s for a job site, it doesn’t need to run a house. It’s like saying you don’t need a m12 electric screwdriver when they sell a m18 impact wrench, and the job is putting together a ikea desk.
I'd say instead of removing the hidden feature outright, couldn't they have added a toggle switch and labeled it say manual and eco/auto? I think that would have been the best solution
Add a switch that toggles between on/auto/timer so you could even turn it off after a set time regardless. Or auto off like the original feature. Or keep it on all the time. Then having the ability to see the timer so it could auto turn off from 5min to 4hr for example. In these cases, I always prefer having an option over being told what to do. I guarantee there are folks out there that will be used to the auto shut off and will be pissed when they buy another and it doesn't auto shut off. It's a good idea, but should be an option.
@@michaelh7527 lol no it’s not, you can not make energy. One can only transfer energy. The gas generator transfer combustion and heat energy into electrical energy. There is no making in any part of this process.
@@fran3iii519 generate- to cause, arise, bring about. Synonyms: cause, produce, make. Fairly straight forward, yes its an energy transfer, youre not making energy, but you start with no electricity, you start it, and boom, electricity. You've made electricity.
For what it is worth. My gas inverter generator runs 12 hrs on 2.5 gallons of fuel, or about $7.00, and is good for 4300 watts/30 amps. I can power my house in an emergency for $7.00 a day, or whatever I want. But if absolute portable battery power is needed, you can build something like the Milwaukee unit for about $700 and get three times the power.
anyone who thinks they will save money with all electric is fooling themselves. the cost of electicity will skyrocket and only available at certain times due to overuse by high amp car chargers everywhere.
@@reginaldbowls7180 this takes many years. what happens to all the nuclear waste? it is buried in the desert and and spread across the open ground?? making these places contaminated forever. then there is 3 mile island and Chernobyl among others?
You're right Jeff, and if you have a situation where gas makes more sense, KEEP IT! Gas isn't perfect, but obviously, there are some situations where they just make more sense then a battery solution.
@@ToolShow what do you mean gas isn't perfect? I can build a million dollar home with a gas generator..you going to build the same home with that inverter?
It takes 90min to charge the MX. 5min to fill a 5 gallon fuel tank. The MX has a TOTAL capacity of 3600 watts. So, my 13 amp, 120 volt electric jack hammer will run about 2 hours continuously assuming there is nothing else plugged in. My 400 dollar generator (which I purchased 20 years ago) provides 3500 watts of CONTINUOUS power for as long as I have gas and will run at max load 90min on one tankful. Advantages of an MX carry on: It will be more quiet and weigh less than a regular generator. Advantages of a regular generator: Will provide power for far longer than the MX without recharging (refueling), will run a larger variety of high power tools, such as a 110volt welder and or other high draw non battery operated equipment , long enough to be useful, in other words ALL DAY, will also charge smaller power tool batteries simultaneously , and will re-fuel in about 1 to 2 minutes. In addition, you would have to carry the MX Carry On to a power source to plug it in for a recharge (it weighs about 50 lbs) while with my generator a 5 gallon tank of gasoline weighs in at about 30 lbs but provides far longer run time (you don't move the whole generator to refuel so your crew can keep working while you send someone to get more gas). The only real advantage I can see to the MX Carry On is that if your job site is a woodland knitting circle, you can run your radio playing chamber music without generator noise while boiling an electric kettle of tea with. On all my job sites, even when using only battery power, it's too loud to listen to chamber music so we listen to ROCK, and the guys prefer coffee, soda or water. Well, since I use a truck to get the crew and equipment on location, I can use my handy-dandy dc/ac inverter to plug in the coffee pot and ...my battery chargers as needed! Cost of portable inverter? 75 dollars. Cost of MX Carry On? $2199.00. Whoever wrote the title to this video has probably never worked at a construction site, and the engineers at Milwaukee need a refresher course in practicality. Why? Well the only practicality to the MX would be on tiny suburban job sites where power may not be available and a neighbor would not be nice enough to run a cord from their property so you can recharge your batteries. On sites like those, the slabs are already poured and the heaviest thing you might need electricity for is a compressor (we use gas powered airless nailers anyway). In other words, the MX might be useful if you are not running equipment that must be in continuous operation but I can't see a worker going full tilt with a drill all day needing more than 3, 5ah batteries. In any case, recharging from a 750 watt inverter connected to my truck while he keeps working will do the trick. There is no justification for a $2199 purchase of such a limited use tool for someone who is in business to make money.
Ramon, your insight is greatly appreciated. I think for the majority of tradespeople, the MX Carry On is going to be a hard sell. Something to keep in mind, is that I think it was developed almost as an accessory to the MX line. If you're already using the MX concrete saw, the core drill, the lighting, etc., all of which have much better selling points, the Carry On may be a great accessory that allows you to use the MX battery platform (which you're already invested in) to power additional tools, without the hassle of gas. But your points are well taken.
The only use for this that I can think of is somewhere indoors with no power where you can't have a generator running outside. I've never been in that situation but maybe someone working underground where there's poor ventilation? Seems kind of unlikely though. But actually it would be nice on a small site on a still day to have that thing. It's horrible when you start getting gassed by the exhaust fumes from the generator. So I take it back, there are times where it would be a good thing.
Incorrect. The Milwaukee power supply unit comes with one (1) XC406 battery. This battery has a total capacity of 6 Ah. Ignoring start-up draws (for simplicity), assuming your 13A jack hammer actually draws 13A continuously while running, you would only have about 27 minutes run time (13A x 27/60 = 6 Ah). It looks like the unit will accept two (2) XC406 batteries, which would double that run time. But you would have to purchase a second XC406 battery at extra cost. I don't dispute the advantages of a regular generator - other than the noise.
This is a relatively small battery attached to an AC inverter. You could buy an off-the-shelf lead acid battery from Walmart (e.g. typical boat battery) for $125 and it will have approximately 100 Ah of capacity. Yep, that's right, 15+ times the capacity. Then buy the right AC inverter and a couple of cables, and you too could create a battery backup system to charge or run your AC tools.
@@stevem815 Yup, and that's why God invented the extension cord. Run the Genny outside, run the cord inside. That's a lot cheaper than $2199. If your cord is long enough, the exhaust fumes wont bother you.
😅😅😅😅they junk lol 😅😅😅😅 I have power station that if it's raining out side nothing happened to power station I have two 15A breaker with two 110AC out let with solar charger I have 4 12V battery 🔋 3 18A and 20A lol
It displays the power level indicators for each of the packs when it's on, and there's a fan that NEVER stops running - even if nothing is being powered. If u turn it on and don't even power anything with it - it will just run itself dead. It's the DUMBEST thing ever that it can't sense if it's being used and sit in standby. Harbor Freight's 12v power inverters had a fan that even shut itself down once there was no longer a draw on it - so if you used it to charge a battery pack inside the truck, as soon as the charger stopped charging the battery - the inverter would shut down so there was no noise. How Milwaukee didn't include something like this - is actually pretty pathetic - considering the "cheap" batteries are like $600. It's beyond dumb.
Haha. I’m the user who was powering the sump pump while upgrading electrical services in preparation of a home standby generator. We’ve been using the power supply several times a week onsite. It’s been great.
I don’t have the Milwaukee version, but the version I do have comes with solar panels so you can charge the inverter while you are still using it. Bought two of them because I live in Texas and don’t want to relive what we had to go through during the ice storm last year. I can also use these inside my house which you can’t do with a gas generator. Also during the ice storm several generators were being stolen because they are easy to find because they are so loud. I won’t be going back to gas👍🏽👍🏽
I love the idea of these, the problem is in the cost. Everyone mentions that it is cheaper to charge than using gas, which is true. However, its not as cheap as it is made out to be. Typically lithium batteries have a lifecycle of ~400 charges or 3 years. At the end of this, you would have to buy new batteries for $1200 ($600/ea). This means usage cost is closer to $33/mo and maybe more if you charge it often. If you charge it for use 4 days a week for two years, it will be time to buy new batteries and this brings the monthly cost over gas. Another concern is - Will these batteries be available in 3 years? 6 years?
If my gas generator quits working or has engine problems there are plenty of parts everywhere to repair it and a lot of small engine repair shops that can fix it and a competent mechanic can figure out why it is not running, if this electric generator has a problem, most people could not figure out why it is not working and would more than likely be a computer board or electrical component , are getting the part might take several weeks ,
What? You’re telling me that green energy isn’t free? 🤣🤣🤣 I thought the same without knowing specific details of battery life and cost. Batteries ain’t free. Even sitting their doing nothing they are aging. It has a market, but micro niche market and there isn’t any overall cost savings in the long run and looks to be the gaser wins over a course of a decade, even if you bought 2 new gas replacements during that time you’d be money ahead. Good
Sup gang! I recorded this just before I headed into surgery last week. I'm still not recovered yet, but I'm doing fine. Sarah came in today to shoot this week's episode of The Power Tool Week In Review, even though she is HOURS from finally delivering that baby boy, so keep her in your prayers. We'll be back to normal soon!
Suuuuuureee. That's exactly what Sarah would write if she secretly murdered you and was trying to stall for time to cover up her tracks. We know the truth Sarah!
Hours away huh, wish her well with that, and pray not in labor for 72 hrs or so…… My Mom still gives me crap about that and I’m “old” now😉 Congrats Sarah and wish ya speedy recovery from back surgery and as you are reading this, most likely already past the DREADED 3 & 4 DAY mark, the worst after surgeries….so it’s uphill from there, just not sure how steep your “hill” is🙏🏼
My biggest gripe with lithium tool batteries is that they last long enough to be obsolete when you need one causing you to replace your good tools. I'll probably look into rebuilding the batteries.
They make off market adaptors for this very reason. If you look hard enough, even some companies sell their own battery adaptor attachment for their older tools, but rare.
I am still wondering how this "Power Station" will replace a conventional generator in a grid down situation ? If you cannot charge this beast somehow / somewhere what good is it ? Just asking ? Click bait title again !
Happy to answer. Depends on what your "grid down" situation is. We live out in the country, and our power goes out about twice a month. When it does, it's usually off for a couple hours, and no more than 12. With that said, we've used the DeWALT and EGO to power our refrigerator and electronics every time without an issue. Hope that answers your question!
@@ToolShow wouldn’t work for my situation apparently I live out a bit more in the bush than you haha when our power goes out we are lucky if it’s less than 24-48 hrs and at least 1-2 times a year we lose power 2-10 days at a time plus I don’t figure it would power my washer dryer and well water pump like my current gen and your refrigerator will stay cold for 3-7 hrs without a generator
@@Piersoloutdoors WOAH Jake! That's some serious power issues! :) We certainly don't have it that bad, and yeah, an inverter (even the big ones) are not likely to solve that problem anytime soon!
@@ToolShow that’s the north east for ya haha plus the snow storms don’t really help and the foliage and hardwood being so thick and not well managed in the north east collectively in the areas around the power line right of ways Though it is getting better over the past 5-8 yrs than it ever has been
@@Piersoloutdoors this garbage will not even work when it's -12F outside xd.... i'll just plug in my neighborhood into my hybrid it can Generate 60KW of power... at 3 phase 360 volts... as long as they can keep supplying me gas they can keep the lights on
Glad your surgery went well quick safe recovery. I love and was looking forward to the Milwaukee charger but without 12v ports or USB I'm out plus I would love it to be able to charge from solar anyway great review and thanks
My god California due to the Mexican invasion has already run out of electricity as evidenced by the rolling blackouts. We are also out of water. The lakes and reservoirs are so low to that can't generate electricity. And we have an inept idiot for Governor who looks lost like Biden beating the socialism all the time.
Exactly. These arrogant techies have it so good/easy that they are oblivious to the fact that alternative energy in ANY form, is a LUXURY when compared to the rest of the world.
OK just had this recommended to me. Never seen this channel before. Have to say I subscribed when the host said "its a Red Green solution to the problem" You sir are a legend!!
LOL Thanks Chris. Guessing we're around the same age. :) Glad you're here! Our primary show is the Power Tool Week In Review every Friday at 5pm EST. Give it a try.
I’m waiting for Milwaukee to come up with an ice maker that fits onto a construction water container ,like the bucket head vacuums, there’s a market out there, Those 5 gallon water containers are already well insulated and ice lasts a long time
imagine having to change that battery when warranty is over and if it’s like every other battery operated tool it’s almost to the day . Still a cool idea .
@@hunter19871956 What's really needed is a standard for these batteries in the same way that there are standards for just about everything else. Automotive batteries, consumer batteries (AA, D etc), hose fittings, computer keyboards, shoes, clothes, bolts and just about every manufactured product has a standard range of sizes and specifications regardless of manufacturer. Tool batteries really ought to be the same, make a few standard sizes and one brand fits anything.
@@passthehash8909 yup, and when the power goes down you now have a ups, which will last for a few hours and then youre sol. Whereas with gas you have power for hours, and then refuel, and yet even more hours of power, power which doesnt weaken as the tank empties. The point of a generator isnt emergency energy, its energy diversity, youre not totally reliant on the grid, you have a chemical backup
Even with it being cheaper to operate, it's going to take a loooong time to break even compared to a gas generator. I can really only see this being a good option if you use it on a job site and have access to electricity over night to charge it back up. For anyone that needs to generate electricity (instead of storing it like this does), gas is still king.
Wow Milwaukee fixed the shut off feature orginal unit aka version 2 / version 1 repair that is awesome they listen to us Milwaukee people @Belts And Boxes
well, you still need to charge it somehow. All these green solutions make no sense on the workplace. These thing is a big battery, not a generator, it doesn't generate anything.
Depends. If you can run it all day and it produces the same amount of power, then what's the difference. The one you fill up with gas, the other you plug it back in at night when you get home. The gas is the battery.
It's not a generator. it's an inverter. Read the description in the video. An inverter changes DC to AC so you can run a corded tool away from an AC source. pay attention.
The problem is that they are trying to phase out fossil fuels... climate change, skyrocketing fuel and gas prices, and shortages will be happening more and more
I think the point of a generator is....to provide AC power when an electrical outlet is not available? But I suppose some people are just looking for an excuse to burn more dinosaur juice.
@@fredygump5578 In Feb '21 we had 5 consecutive days without electricity. How long would a battery backup unit last under those conditions? 3 hours? Worthless
@@fredygump5578 a generator by definition literally generates electricity from mechanical energy. This is a battery pack which makes it an energy storage device. This is not an energy generator same with the electric cars the electric still gets made by natural gas and coal and such then gets stored in battery packs so regardless you still burn your “Dino juice” you just don’t see it happen so it doesn’t bother people as bad.
@@fredygump5578 If you need to use corded power tools away from an outlet, this unit has a purpose. If you want an emergency generator .. avoid the glorified battery backups. There is a concerted effort to dis any form of fueled product ... as you put it earlier "dinosaur juice" which shows your true agenda. You couldn't care less if a battery backup sucks or not, your total aim is to convince people off fueled generators. People aren't stupid enough, yet ... give us another 10 years.
People forget that this is the 21st century and pretty much any truck from like 2008 and on included a 120v outlet in at least one location, most times 2 especially when set up for use on a job site. One in the cab and one in the bed (usually with a higher current capacity) unless my 2020 Chevy express box van is a unicorn? And I’m sure that most people could probably figure out that if you don’t have one of these vehicles with an outlet in some place, or in an “off grid” situation, you can create 120v AC off of an alternator by bypassing the rectifiers(and in the case of most newer alternators, the voltage regulator...) disclaimer: I’m not responsible if anyone does any of the following: Hurts themselves via electric shock. Completely annihilate the charging system on your vehicle because you took some advice from someone on the internet and tried to turn your car into a completely mobile generator
Great tool for job sites or camping maybe. Not for long term power outages when your trying to keep your food cold in the fridge or chest freezer. Ill be keeping the gas generator handy.
I think one needs both gas and solar to function most efficiently in a grid down situation. Solar generators are still way too expensive for what they are. You need a good one that has enough booty to power more than just a radio and a laptop. Those are gonna cost you a couple thousand $$$ and more. Also, during a bad winter when there's not much bright sunlight one cannot depend on a solar generator. Ideal situation would be to have a gas generator to charge up the solar generator now and then. True, the gas generators require more maintenance, are noisy, cannot be used indoors, and more expensive to operate over the long term but if you're using it just to charge up your solar unit then you'll keep it in use often enough that it won't need much maintenance, but not long enough that you're needing to fill it up with gas or propane frequently, or be a noise nuisance to your neighbors. If you're only using the generator for a few hours or for a day or two at a time it may not be worth spending thousands of dollars on a solar unit. But in a true grid-down situation where the power goes off indefinitely...which is looking more and more likely these days it makes sense to get both if you can afford it.
Steam engine ran by solar heat. If you’re handi, its nearly all a DIY. Parts are cheap as well. Old tech being made new again. As long as you’re not trying to superheat the steam generator and not using a storage tank of steam with pressure release valves its rather harmless if she blows.
I decided to build my own power inverter. I got stuck with an extra car battery on an expired VISA card. They let me pick out any replacement battery at the auto parts store. I went to Harbor Freight and bought a Jupiter power inverter. Now I need a way to make something portable. I bought the plastic dolly and used 2×2s to house the battery. They were drilled & bolted to the dolly. I put the Jupiter in front. Went back to the auto parts store & bought short battery cables. Now I have this thing on wheels that'll jump start cars. I can run a circle saw for an hour. It's too weak for an air compressor. A reciprocating saw or right angle grinder runs great off of this thing. It has 2 USB jacks to charge phones. Works for me...
It's great for TEMPORARILY powering up until you get the gas generator up and running. Suggesting that it can replace gas is LUDICROUS. No emissions? How do you charge it? Does the power company run off batteries too? No maintenance? How long do the batteries last? I'd rather do maintenance and have the gen last for THOUSANDS of hours of run time, than be forced to pay the ever increasing cost of batts that only last ONE HOUR on full load, then takes HOURS to re-charge, with finite recharge life. 3600W? That's max SHOCK load, not capacity or sustained load. Marketing is like Democrats, sell you lies, appeal to emotion. For this price, you're better off buying a Bluetti. At least you have DC/AC outputs, solar/AC charging with pass through, 2000W shock load, 1800WH capacity.
To me, it's pointless. It takes just as long to get this thing set up as it would my generator. The ONLY benefits to this thing are no noise and being able to use it without ventilation.
I was going to comment something like this. I would add they are great for having power at night when generators are not allowed. But in no way are they replacements. How many hours of high draw power can i store in a 5 gal jerry can?
REEEALY think this is the case. I'm guessing that during onsite testing, guys were leaving it turned on, with nothing plugged in, and came back the next day to dead batteries. Why they chose 80W I don't know. Can't they tell when "nothing" is plugged in, and simply cut the power until something is? Even a physical switch in the socket maybe? I don't know.
Really think they missed the option of allowing you to choose whether it shuts off or not and at what power and timeout. These should be selectable in the One Key app and then a simple mode button on the unit.
I love the idea of these things. For camping, I use the EcoFlow with a solar charger. The Milwaukee is much better suited to tool use. I wonder how long it would take to charge the Milwaukee on a solar panel? Thanks for the video! Hope your recovery is going well, Rob. And thanks for the cliffhanger ending. So mean. :-p
I agree, these are great. Why not the milwaukee fo camping? Do you believe the numbers they put out about $4 vs $46 operating cost? That doesnt seem possible.
@@ronfox5519 How are you recharging the batteries if your camping in an area that has no power at all.... Gas generators will always be the way to go until they come up with a battery that can work for days without needing to be recharged...Solar battery back up is also useless because it takes way to long to recharge even if you hook up multiple solar panels.
Even the new one is ridiculously over priced for what it is. You should do a comparison with this vs other battery banks/solar generators costing approximately the same, comparing features and performance. It would interesting.
Not many people are seeing this for what it is, for the right job this can be a good substitute for a generator but in another 5 or 10 years if they can increase the run time and output you could see them being used a lot more and have be more useful, maybe at some point they could be just as good as a generator
Toss my gas generator? But...it's already paid for, cost less than this, is more powerful, is quiet enough to have a normal conversation standing next to it, and uses _maybe_ 1 gallon of gas iin 8 hours. They're going to have to drop the price point significantly if they really want to replace gas generators.
If I could afford it, I’d try it. Has everything to do with power cords only, not gas vs electric. I still have my push rod 360 that gets 12 mpg at best and wouldn’t trade it for a Tesla or Prius, although my wife had a Prius. Convenience. What cost me $250 in gas (pre Jan 2020) in the Prius, cost me over a grand for the same trip (same timeframe). This gen/inverter probably would cost me more than my truck lol.
Well done on getting Milwaukee to take action on this. Without public review and scrutiny companies like Milwaukee can do what they want. Thanks for being the tool guy and gals big voice in a small world.
only have one question, how long do the milwaukee batteries take to charge on solar or wind power systems? absent that information, i'll stick with my gas powered generator.
@@passthehash8909 Why would I? There's ALWAYS an outside and extension cord. I've worked construction for 30 years, and never ran into a scenario where I COULDN'T use my gas generator.
@@gerhardschulzy And what prison are you working in, it must not be in America because I've worked in a correctional facility before and they just don't give you unlimited access they move people and lock people down. Blow smoke up someone else's rear...
I guess for it's designed purpose it's fine, but this is not a 'generator', I wish people would stop calling them that. No good for power outages, that's what a GENERATOR is for.
@@bennygmooneyhan4907 I was about to ask is it a LiPo battery, can you solar recharge it? lol Even though its not a generator I think construction folks would love those options
Surgery? Oh no! Pray everything is going well and a speedy recovery! Big question for Milwaukee.... Is there a way to differentiate the new from the old? Serial numbers, manufacturer date code, different model number, something? I don't want to purchase one from a dealer and it ends up being the old model just to send it right back and wait 2 or 3 weeks before I can use it. Anyway to get a clear answer from Milwaukee on this? Thanks and again, God speed.
I wouldn't trade my Honda generator for four those pieces of junk i can fill the generator with 1 gallon of gas and run it for 10 or 12 hours no charge needed fill and go again.
So it will last 12 hours running site lights and the blowers for a couple propane heaters? NO....... Those are for "contractors" with big shiny trucks and clean work boots...
It would be cool if they allowed it to be solar rechargeable or some kind of solar capability. I dont have this unit but I read from others that you cannot use the output while its being charged... seems like they may need to re-engineer it some more if thats the case.... there are solar generators that can do the same and have more features
My 4500w Champion runs on propane. Not as energy dense as gas. But my 200gal tank will run critical electronics during an outage. My Bluetti 55 runs LED lights and powers my wireless router. Different tools for different jobs. Oh, and I can recharge the Bluetti from the inverter/generator.
LOL this is "Pre-Op Rob". We shot several videos before I went under the knife. Tomorrow we have a showcase coming out. You could win a HUGE surprise from EGO!
Diesel powered is the absolute best generator . Fussing with a gas generator as what I can use. I can run the whole house and my neighbors house. Soundproofing just like a little gas gen . Fueling you ask. Just use tank for the oil fire furnace.
Four dollars per month to charge vs. $46 dollar a month in gas. What you neglected to cover was the upfront cost of this unit and the replacement cost for the batteries. In the U.S. the unit is $2199 and 'a' replacement battery is $599, where in Canada, the cost for the unit is $2999 + tax (13%) and the replacement battery is $799 + tax (13%). I can buy a Honda 2200 EI inverter for $1299 and enough gas to run it for a few years (depending on usage) before I ever reach the cost fo the MX-3600. As much as I like the unit itself, I am not going to fork over that kind of coin for it. Furthermore, if you are in the bush, recharging it will not be as easy as plugging it into a electrical outlet. Trees in the wild don't have that availability.
Definitely not meant for welding. A 240 volt welder requires at minimum a 30A breaker. And typically use a 50A breaker. This thing only has a 15 A breaker for two outlets. This is not a generator supply meant for that type of work unfortunately
Yeah MX (MEGA XTRA CASH) Smart contractors dont even touch Mx line. Way over priced and built the same as the m18 just larger batteries..and bigger bodies ill buy a $1500 gen and ill NEVER put $1500 gas in it before its dead. even if I did it’s smarter to have then batteries that charge batteries then die and the power is out.🤔 2+2 is 4 just like their air compressor 😂. Totally useless. We Cut the cord …but you want it back?🤔 buy an electric and a extension cord save hundreds if not more due to their batteries and plugging in a charger to charge them because the compressor is cordless 👍 and still use an airline that you trip on? great marketing must say.
Just imagine what gas generator you can buy for that money and the gas you can run it with....These things are a grift and serve only few practicle implementations..
When the batteries are dead, I have to hope I'll have sun all day, so I can lug out my solar panels and inverter and wire it all up and wait 8 hours... When a gas generator runs out, I simply refill the tank on I'm back in business. There's no comparison... 'nuff said. 😎👍
I own a bunch of battery powered Milwaukee tools, and they work fine. BUT, I take issue with representing that a battery plus inverter equates to a 'Generator'. One GENERATES electricity by converting chemical energy into electrical energy when needed, and is 'recharged' by simply pouring in some gasoline The other STORES electricity, to be withdrawn when needed. But recharging requires AN ELECTRICAL POWER SOURCE, SUCH AS A GENERATOR. Also, most batteries (even lithium) would be hard pressed to run 3600 Watts for long (~20 minutes). On a 12 Volt battery, this is 300+ Amps. The batteries are commonly 100-Amp-Hour
Let's be honest here. How is an electric generator better than a gas one? The answer is never. 1-when your out of power, you are done. Having extra batteries is expensive and they will drain while not in use. Gas is readily available. I keep 100L+ around. Or you can siphon some if needed 2-nobody ever addresses the fact that environmentally, batteries are no better than gas until 10years latter. Batteries don't last 10 years, so the saving are gone, as is eviro impact. Batteries require mining, logistics, manufacturing, and plastics. Yes plastics, an oil byproduct people. I could go on, but the benefits of this is minimal. For a job site, I'll be damned if a contractor is using my power to charge it at the same cost as when they would bring a gas generator. So as a consumer I won't benefit.
And to touch on this a little more, if we are trying to save the world via electricity, just but a Cordes drill and extension cord, it will last through every job 100%. Quicker, no changing batteries. No extra plastics, no extra batteries in land fills. You can buy one electric drill as a homeowner for your whole life. And in 25 years, it'll still work at 100% of the speed and torque it had on day one. The solution is to stop being wasteful.
Nope! But a lot of our regular viewers are invested in the MX platform, and were waiting to hear how to get their Carry-On "fixed". That's what this video is for. The title is hyperbole. Of course Gas isn't dead. There isn't a single person watching this video that thinks these boxes are magic sources of power that never end. It's pretty obvious you have to have a power source to recharge the batteries when they're dead. They won't get you through a week long power outage. Milwaukee, DeWALT, EGO, and a few others are offering these inverters as alternatives to gas, not in every situation, but in those that require it. Sometimes you're on a job where you have to limit noise. Or you have to bring power inside but you can't bring the fumes. And keep in mind, these all run off of batteries that also work on their tools. So if you already have a few MX batteries for your core drill or concrete saw, it's incredibly convenient for them to simply drop them in an inverter, and use it to power other corded tools, or a microwave on a jobsite. It's not for everyone, and it's not a general replacement for gas generators. Was never meant to be.
These are probably a great idea for job sites, but I would not replace a generator for many other things. For a job site though, I think it is a great idea.
So.... Dewalt PS hanging out in the background. Still relevant. Still using 18/20V to achieve 3600W peak. If they come with a version 2 and other smaller compact version; I'll get them. MX is a huge investment.
That's right, gas is still king. Unless you can afford to keep 10 or 12 dozen of those swappable batteries charged up, ready for when there's a storm and power's going to be out for an extended period of time. I'm totally serious because when you are limited on power you'll scram to lowes or homedepot looking for the biggest generator that holds the most fuel and runs the longest between fillups. Generator's produce nice raw power to get things running. Milwaukee is a favorite of mine however it's power station isn't going to run your well pump to flush toilets, keep central air or forced air gas or oil heat blowing out the vents. It's an excellent product, just not for the bigger picture.
It’s for a job site, it doesn’t need to run a house. It’s like saying you don’t need a m12 electric screwdriver when they sell a m18 impact wrench, and the job is putting together a ikea desk.
Its good for on the go but for heavy duty long term a real generator is better
I own every Milwaukee tool that there is just Four Mile Construction
I own a very good gas generator as well genrikh
That's OK. I just saw a Milwaukee M18, 12.0 Amp hour battery advertised for *just* $289.00! See? Cheap and affordable. If you're Elon Musk.
I'd say instead of removing the hidden feature outright, couldn't they have added a toggle switch and labeled it say manual and eco/auto? I think that would have been the best solution
That will be version 3.0 lol
it hurts my brain that they didnt do that in the first place
The world is too obsessed with being 'smart' to do something that simple.
Hire this man he's a genius
Add a switch that toggles between on/auto/timer so you could even turn it off after a set time regardless. Or auto off like the original feature. Or keep it on all the time. Then having the ability to see the timer so it could auto turn off from 5min to 4hr for example. In these cases, I always prefer having an option over being told what to do. I guarantee there are folks out there that will be used to the auto shut off and will be pissed when they buy another and it doesn't auto shut off. It's a good idea, but should be an option.
Gas is still king. With gas your making electricity not just storing it.
I’m going to be that guy, you don’t make electricity, you generate it that’s why it’s called a generator.
Generating is making you dolt
@@michaelh7527 lol no it’s not, you can not make energy. One can only transfer energy. The gas generator transfer combustion and heat energy into electrical energy. There is no making in any part of this process.
@@fran3iii519 It transfers gas and heat energy to GENERATE electricity 😁
@@fran3iii519 generate- to cause, arise, bring about. Synonyms: cause, produce, make.
Fairly straight forward, yes its an energy transfer, youre not making energy, but you start with no electricity, you start it, and boom, electricity. You've made electricity.
For what it is worth. My gas inverter generator runs 12 hrs on 2.5 gallons of fuel, or about $7.00, and is good for 4300 watts/30 amps. I can power my house in an emergency for $7.00 a day, or whatever I want. But if absolute portable battery power is needed, you can build something like the Milwaukee unit for about $700 and get three times the power.
It depends on how much power you need.
anyone who thinks they will save money with all electric is fooling themselves. the cost of electicity will skyrocket and only available at certain times due to overuse by high amp car chargers everywhere.
@@standingbear998 not if we build new nuclear power stations
@@reginaldbowls7180 this takes many years. what happens to all the nuclear waste? it is buried in the desert and and spread across the open ground?? making these places contaminated forever. then there is 3 mile island and Chernobyl among others?
Yes but gas is choking us to death especially your kids.
For that price you can have two Honda EU2200 generators.Gas is still the king in generators.This will be nice maybe around $800......
I'd even pay $1,200
I wouldn’t buy it for 800. It’s nothing but a battery. Buy a battery its a lot cheaper and bigger.
Lol i build my own do much better can work with both Lithium or lead acid battery
There is always going to be a use for a gas generator, you have not yet convinced me on getting rid of my gas generator!!!
You're right Jeff, and if you have a situation where gas makes more sense, KEEP IT! Gas isn't perfect, but obviously, there are some situations where they just make more sense then a battery solution.
@@ToolShow hello, you think this will run a Ac unit and refrigerator in a semi on a 10 hr break
@@ToolShow what do you mean gas isn't perfect? I can build a million dollar home with a gas generator..you going to build the same home with that inverter?
Thats what they said about horses
@@ptech88 we still use horses can't get through trees with 4 wheelers
It takes 90min to charge the MX. 5min to fill a 5 gallon fuel tank. The MX has a TOTAL capacity of 3600 watts. So, my 13 amp, 120 volt electric jack hammer will run about 2 hours continuously assuming there is nothing else plugged in. My 400 dollar generator (which I purchased 20 years ago) provides 3500 watts of CONTINUOUS power for as long as I have gas and will run at max load 90min on one tankful. Advantages of an MX carry on: It will be more quiet and weigh less than a regular generator. Advantages of a regular generator: Will provide power for far longer than the MX without recharging (refueling), will run a larger variety of high power tools, such as a 110volt welder and or other high draw non battery operated equipment , long enough to be useful, in other words ALL DAY, will also charge smaller power tool batteries simultaneously , and will re-fuel in about 1 to 2 minutes. In addition, you would have to carry the MX Carry On to a power source to plug it in for a recharge (it weighs about 50 lbs) while with my generator a 5 gallon tank of gasoline weighs in at about 30 lbs but provides far longer run time (you don't move the whole generator to refuel so your crew can keep working while you send someone to get more gas).
The only real advantage I can see to the MX Carry On is that if your job site is a woodland knitting circle, you can run your radio playing chamber music without generator noise while boiling an electric kettle of tea with.
On all my job sites, even when using only battery power, it's too loud to listen to chamber music so we listen to ROCK, and the guys prefer coffee, soda or water. Well, since I use a truck to get the crew and equipment on location, I can use my handy-dandy dc/ac inverter to plug in the coffee pot and ...my battery chargers as needed! Cost of portable inverter? 75 dollars. Cost of MX Carry On? $2199.00. Whoever wrote the title to this video has probably never worked at a construction site, and the engineers at Milwaukee need a refresher course in practicality. Why? Well the only practicality to the MX would be on tiny suburban job sites where power may not be available and a neighbor would not be nice enough to run a cord from their property so you can recharge your batteries. On sites like those, the slabs are already poured and the heaviest thing you might need electricity for is a compressor (we use gas powered airless nailers anyway). In other words, the MX might be useful if you are not running equipment that must be in continuous operation but I can't see a worker going full tilt with a drill all day needing more than 3, 5ah batteries. In any case, recharging from a 750 watt inverter connected to my truck while he keeps working will do the trick. There is no justification for a $2199 purchase of such a limited use tool for someone who is in business to make money.
Ramon, your insight is greatly appreciated. I think for the majority of tradespeople, the MX Carry On is going to be a hard sell. Something to keep in mind, is that I think it was developed almost as an accessory to the MX line. If you're already using the MX concrete saw, the core drill, the lighting, etc., all of which have much better selling points, the Carry On may be a great accessory that allows you to use the MX battery platform (which you're already invested in) to power additional tools, without the hassle of gas.
But your points are well taken.
The only use for this that I can think of is somewhere indoors with no power where you can't have a generator running outside.
I've never been in that situation but maybe someone working underground where there's poor ventilation? Seems kind of unlikely though.
But actually it would be nice on a small site on a still day to have that thing. It's horrible when you start getting gassed by the exhaust fumes from the generator. So I take it back, there are times where it would be a good thing.
Incorrect. The Milwaukee power supply unit comes with one (1) XC406 battery. This battery has a total capacity of 6 Ah. Ignoring start-up draws (for simplicity), assuming your 13A jack hammer actually draws 13A continuously while running, you would only have about 27 minutes run time (13A x 27/60 = 6 Ah). It looks like the unit will accept two (2) XC406 batteries, which would double that run time. But you would have to purchase a second XC406 battery at extra cost. I don't dispute the advantages of a regular generator - other than the noise.
This is a relatively small battery attached to an AC inverter. You could buy an off-the-shelf lead acid battery from Walmart (e.g. typical boat battery) for $125 and it will have approximately 100 Ah of capacity. Yep, that's right, 15+ times the capacity. Then buy the right AC inverter and a couple of cables, and you too could create a battery backup system to charge or run your AC tools.
@@stevem815 Yup, and that's why God invented the extension cord. Run the Genny outside, run the cord inside. That's a lot cheaper than $2199. If your cord is long enough, the exhaust fumes wont bother you.
Don't get rid of your Gas Generator. Milwaukee have produced a battery backup really. 2 different machines.
😅😅😅😅they junk lol 😅😅😅😅 I have power station that if it's raining out side nothing happened to power station I have two 15A breaker with two 110AC out let with solar charger I have 4 12V battery 🔋 3 18A and 20A lol
The one feature I see that is still missing is a digital readout on the battery level and power consumption.
Solar panel generator
It displays the power level indicators for each of the packs when it's on, and there's a fan that NEVER stops running - even if nothing is being powered. If u turn it on and don't even power anything with it - it will just run itself dead. It's the DUMBEST thing ever that it can't sense if it's being used and sit in standby. Harbor Freight's 12v power inverters had a fan that even shut itself down once there was no longer a draw on it - so if you used it to charge a battery pack inside the truck, as soon as the charger stopped charging the battery - the inverter would shut down so there was no noise. How Milwaukee didn't include something like this - is actually pretty pathetic - considering the "cheap" batteries are like $600. It's beyond dumb.
Haha. I’m the user who was powering the sump pump while upgrading electrical services in preparation of a home standby generator. We’ve been using the power supply several times a week onsite. It’s been great.
This stores .8kw hour (point 8, less than one). My gas generator will make approx 36kw hours on one tank. That is 45 times as much energy.
Thanks for the update, now if they could lower the cost it could be a game changer!
Definitely!
What's the price once you count in cost of electricity and gas. Also gas where I live is 1.60 cad /L. = 4.8 USD/ gallon
Australian prices and you could by the gas station
Yea I thought about making my own
@@thomasr1051
$1.60 CAD per liter is soooo yesterday! 😄
Tried $1.70 in Vancouver, BC
But seriously though gas price these days is brutal.
They should make an attachment that allows you to lock that big battery so that no one walks away with it.
😅😅😅😅those junk lol I have power station. and it's waterproof lol
I don’t have the Milwaukee version, but the version I do have comes with solar panels so you can charge the inverter while you are still using it. Bought two of them because I live in Texas and don’t want to relive what we had to go through during the ice storm last year. I can also use these inside my house which you can’t do with a gas generator. Also during the ice storm several generators were being stolen because they are easy to find because they are so loud. I won’t be going back to gas👍🏽👍🏽
I love the idea of these, the problem is in the cost. Everyone mentions that it is cheaper to charge than using gas, which is true. However, its not as cheap as it is made out to be. Typically lithium batteries have a lifecycle of ~400 charges or 3 years. At the end of this, you would have to buy new batteries for $1200 ($600/ea). This means usage cost is closer to $33/mo and maybe more if you charge it often. If you charge it for use 4 days a week for two years, it will be time to buy new batteries and this brings the monthly cost over gas.
Another concern is - Will these batteries be available in 3 years? 6 years?
If my gas generator quits working or has engine problems there are plenty of parts everywhere to repair it and a lot of small engine repair shops that can fix it and a competent mechanic can figure out why it is not running, if this electric generator has a problem, most people could not figure out why it is not working and would more than likely be a computer board or electrical component , are getting the part might take several weeks ,
What?
You’re telling me that green energy isn’t free? 🤣🤣🤣
I thought the same without knowing specific details of battery life and cost.
Batteries ain’t free.
Even sitting their doing nothing they are aging.
It has a market, but micro niche market and there isn’t any overall cost savings in the long run and looks to be the gaser wins over a course of a decade, even if you bought 2 new gas replacements during that time you’d be money ahead.
Good
The life span of the batteries is an excellent point . The batteries themselves aren’t going anywhere anytime.
Fixed the obvious problem which is good but still didn’t add any usb outlets, come on!
That's actually really stupid not having that built in. It should have multiple USB c ports with 100w pd
Sup gang! I recorded this just before I headed into surgery last week. I'm still not recovered yet, but I'm doing fine. Sarah came in today to shoot this week's episode of The Power Tool Week In Review, even though she is HOURS from finally delivering that baby boy, so keep her in your prayers. We'll be back to normal soon!
Good to hear mate. 👍
Suuuuuureee. That's exactly what Sarah would write if she secretly murdered you and was trying to stall for time to cover up her tracks. We know the truth Sarah!
Glad you made it thru surgery , hope you have a quick recovery prayers for sarah and a quick, easy delivery. Live confidently and peacefully
Hours away huh, wish her well with that, and pray not in labor for 72 hrs or so…… My Mom still gives me crap about that and I’m “old” now😉
Congrats Sarah and wish ya speedy recovery from back surgery and as you are reading this, most likely already past the DREADED 3 & 4 DAY mark, the worst after surgeries….so it’s uphill from there, just not sure how steep your “hill” is🙏🏼
Get well soon.. great job as usual
Why didn't they just make this a switch? That way you could make it work both ways depending on your preference/situation.
that's the next model, more $$$ lol
Because that would make more sense 😉
My biggest gripe with lithium tool batteries is that they last long enough to be obsolete when you need one causing you to replace your good tools. I'll probably look into rebuilding the batteries.
They make off market adaptors for this very reason.
If you look hard enough, even some companies sell their own battery adaptor attachment for their older tools, but rare.
I can totally see having this & my gas generator for a job site. Different tools for different jobs
I am still wondering how this "Power Station" will replace a conventional generator in a grid down situation ? If you cannot charge this beast somehow / somewhere what good is it ? Just asking ? Click bait title again !
Happy to answer. Depends on what your "grid down" situation is. We live out in the country, and our power goes out about twice a month. When it does, it's usually off for a couple hours, and no more than 12. With that said, we've used the DeWALT and EGO to power our refrigerator and electronics every time without an issue. Hope that answers your question!
@@ToolShow wouldn’t work for my situation apparently I live out a bit more in the bush than you haha when our power goes out we are lucky if it’s less than 24-48 hrs and at least 1-2 times a year we lose power 2-10 days at a time plus I don’t figure it would power my washer dryer and well water pump like my current gen and your refrigerator will stay cold for 3-7 hrs without a generator
@@Piersoloutdoors WOAH Jake! That's some serious power issues! :) We certainly don't have it that bad, and yeah, an inverter (even the big ones) are not likely to solve that problem anytime soon!
@@ToolShow that’s the north east for ya haha plus the snow storms don’t really help and the foliage and hardwood being so thick and not well managed in the north east collectively in the areas around the power line right of ways Though it is getting better over the past 5-8 yrs than it ever has been
@@Piersoloutdoors this garbage will not even work when it's -12F outside xd....
i'll just plug in my neighborhood into my hybrid it can Generate 60KW of power... at 3 phase 360 volts... as long as they can keep supplying me gas they can keep the lights on
Glad your surgery went well quick safe recovery. I love and was looking forward to the Milwaukee charger but without 12v ports or USB I'm out plus I would love it to be able to charge from solar anyway great review and thanks
With this day and age- why in the world would Milwaukee not add usb and12v ports to the inverter?
Funny how people dismiss how we get electricity to charge things🤣🤣
My god California due to the Mexican invasion has already run out of electricity as evidenced by the rolling blackouts. We are also out of water. The lakes and reservoirs are so low to that can't generate electricity. And we have an inept idiot for Governor who looks lost like Biden beating the socialism all the time.
Exactly. These arrogant techies have it so good/easy that they are oblivious to the fact that alternative energy in ANY form, is a LUXURY when compared to the rest of the world.
its about efficiency genius, 1kwh from the grid emits way less pollution than 1kwh from a gas generator
OK just had this recommended to me. Never seen this channel before. Have to say I subscribed when the host said "its a Red Green solution to the problem" You sir are a legend!!
LOL Thanks Chris. Guessing we're around the same age. :) Glad you're here! Our primary show is the Power Tool Week In Review every Friday at 5pm EST. Give it a try.
I’m waiting for Milwaukee to come up with an ice maker that fits onto a construction water container ,like the bucket head vacuums, there’s a market out there, Those 5 gallon water containers are already well insulated and ice lasts a long time
imagine having to change that battery when warranty is over and if it’s like every other battery operated tool it’s almost to the day . Still a cool idea .
Plus the batteries cost more that’s the damn tool!
@@hunter19871956 What's really needed is a standard for these batteries in the same way that there are standards for just about everything else. Automotive batteries, consumer batteries (AA, D etc), hose fittings, computer keyboards, shoes, clothes, bolts and just about every manufactured product has a standard range of sizes and specifications regardless of manufacturer. Tool batteries really ought to be the same, make a few standard sizes and one brand fits anything.
Still need the Honda generator to charge this 50lb battery. Not sure what problem this device is the answer too.
You charge it at home by plugging it into any number of outlets found around your home for pennies on the dollar without the need for a generator.
@@passthehash8909 yup, and when the power goes down you now have a ups, which will last for a few hours and then youre sol.
Whereas with gas you have power for hours, and then refuel, and yet even more hours of power, power which doesnt weaken as the tank empties.
The point of a generator isnt emergency energy, its energy diversity, youre not totally reliant on the grid, you have a chemical backup
@@daslynnter9841 what happens when there is no fuel at the gas station??
Legend has it that the Milwaukee engineer that advised against the auto-shutoff feature is still saying "See I told you so"
Even with it being cheaper to operate, it's going to take a loooong time to break even compared to a gas generator. I can really only see this being a good option if you use it on a job site and have access to electricity over night to charge it back up. For anyone that needs to generate electricity (instead of storing it like this does), gas is still king.
I am still not convinced these backup battery units really work better than a gas generator. I for one will keep my propane generator.
Wow Milwaukee fixed the shut off feature orginal unit aka version 2 / version 1 repair that is awesome they listen to us Milwaukee people @Belts And Boxes
Ill always keep my Honda 2200, with the current climate theyre gonna be gold (:
Have a 1970's Sears and Roebuck 4hp 1800w generator, runs great and fires right up. Two 20amp outlets.
well, you still need to charge it somehow. All these green solutions make no sense on the workplace. These thing is a big battery, not a generator, it doesn't generate anything.
Exactly. It's a battery.
Depends. If you can run it all day and it produces the same amount of power, then what's the difference. The one you fill up with gas, the other you plug it back in at night when you get home. The gas is the battery.
Calling that thing a generator is kind of like calling gas can a refinery!🤡
It's not a generator. it's an inverter. Read the description in the video. An inverter changes DC to AC so you can run a corded tool away from an AC source. pay attention.
@@fast1bike No this thing is not a generator this thing has to have its onboard battery pack charged up by a generator before it can do anything!
Let me know in 10 years how well it works. I know my gas generator will be still running strong
My Yamaha from 1984 still running, I've always maintained it extremely well!
The problem is that they are trying to phase out fossil fuels... climate change, skyrocketing fuel and gas prices, and shortages will be happening more and more
I’m gonna use my gas generator to charge the Milwaukee generator after a day of no power.
Solar charging would be cool
Would absolutely love a M18 version of the power station similar to DeWalts offering
Love the Red Green Reference! I'm a lodge Member! Quando Omni Flunkus Moritoti!
If it could charge a second battery before the first one depletes, they’re on to something
The point of a generator is to make electricity from a non-electrical source.
I think the point of a generator is....to provide AC power when an electrical outlet is not available? But I suppose some people are just looking for an excuse to burn more dinosaur juice.
@@fredygump5578 In Feb '21 we had 5 consecutive days without electricity. How long would a battery backup unit last under those conditions? 3 hours?
Worthless
@@fredygump5578 a generator by definition literally generates electricity from mechanical energy. This is a battery pack which makes it an energy storage device. This is not an energy generator same with the electric cars the electric still gets made by natural gas and coal and such then gets stored in battery packs so regardless you still burn your “Dino juice” you just don’t see it happen so it doesn’t bother people as bad.
@@Deploracle Your comment makes as much sense as a person trying to run a welder off a USB cable!
@@fredygump5578 If you need to use corded power tools away from an outlet, this unit has a purpose.
If you want an emergency generator .. avoid the glorified battery backups.
There is a concerted effort to dis any form of fueled product ... as you put it earlier "dinosaur juice" which shows your true agenda. You couldn't care less if a battery backup sucks or not, your total aim is to convince people off fueled generators.
People aren't stupid enough, yet ... give us another 10 years.
Great job Milwaukee. Now solar option for on site recharging ! Make it happen Milwaukee! Please
People forget that this is the 21st century and pretty much any truck from like 2008 and on included a 120v outlet in at least one location, most times 2 especially when set up for use on a job site. One in the cab and one in the bed (usually with a higher current capacity) unless my 2020 Chevy express box van is a unicorn?
And I’m sure that most people could probably figure out that if you don’t have one of these vehicles with an outlet in some place, or in an “off grid” situation, you can create 120v AC off of an alternator by bypassing the rectifiers(and in the case of most newer alternators, the voltage regulator...) disclaimer: I’m not responsible if anyone does any of the following:
Hurts themselves via electric shock.
Completely annihilate the charging system on your vehicle because you took some advice from someone on the internet and tried to turn your car into a completely mobile generator
Great tool for job sites or camping maybe. Not for long term power outages when your trying to keep your food cold in the fridge or chest freezer. Ill be keeping the gas generator handy.
I think one needs both gas and solar to function most efficiently in a grid down situation. Solar generators are still way too expensive for what they are. You need a good one that has enough booty to power more than just a radio and a laptop. Those are gonna cost you a couple thousand $$$ and more. Also, during a bad winter when there's not much bright sunlight one cannot depend on a solar generator.
Ideal situation would be to have a gas generator to charge up the solar generator now and then. True, the gas generators require more maintenance, are noisy, cannot be used indoors, and more expensive to operate over the long term but if you're using it just to charge up your solar unit then you'll keep it in use often enough that it won't need much maintenance, but not long enough that you're needing to fill it up with gas or propane frequently, or be a noise nuisance to your neighbors.
If you're only using the generator for a few hours or for a day or two at a time it may not be worth spending thousands of dollars on a solar unit. But in a true grid-down situation where the power goes off indefinitely...which is looking more and more likely these days it makes sense to get both if you can afford it.
Steam engine ran by solar heat.
If you’re handi, its nearly all a DIY.
Parts are cheap as well.
Old tech being made new again.
As long as you’re not trying to superheat the steam generator and not using a storage tank of steam with pressure release valves its rather harmless if she blows.
I decided to build my own power inverter. I got stuck with an extra car battery on an expired VISA card. They let me pick out any replacement battery at the auto parts store. I went to Harbor Freight and bought a Jupiter power inverter. Now I need a way to make something portable. I bought the plastic dolly and used 2×2s to house the battery. They were drilled & bolted to the dolly. I put the Jupiter in front. Went back to the auto parts store & bought short battery cables. Now I have this thing on wheels that'll jump start cars. I can run a circle saw for an hour. It's too weak for an air compressor. A reciprocating saw or right angle grinder runs great off of this thing. It has 2 USB jacks to charge phones. Works for me...
It's great for TEMPORARILY powering up until you get the gas generator up and running. Suggesting that it can replace gas is LUDICROUS. No emissions? How do you charge it? Does the power company run off batteries too? No maintenance? How long do the batteries last? I'd rather do maintenance and have the gen last for THOUSANDS of hours of run time, than be forced to pay the ever increasing cost of batts that only last ONE HOUR on full load, then takes HOURS to re-charge, with finite recharge life. 3600W? That's max SHOCK load, not capacity or sustained load. Marketing is like Democrats, sell you lies, appeal to emotion.
For this price, you're better off buying a Bluetti. At least you have DC/AC outputs, solar/AC charging with pass through, 2000W shock load, 1800WH capacity.
To me, it's pointless. It takes just as long to get this thing set up as it would my generator. The ONLY benefits to this thing are no noise and being able to use it without ventilation.
Just more propaganda for the greenies!
Give me a petrol or diesel generator anyday.
Betcha Elon comes across this video and says in plain english, ahum, hold my wine please. I'll be right back
I was going to comment something like this. I would add they are great for having power at night when generators are not allowed. But in no way are they replacements. How many hours of high draw power can i store in a 5 gal jerry can?
Those are great you can recharge them on unicorn farts
When it runs out of power, guess what, you need electricity to charge it up! This will never replace the capabilities of a gas powered generator.
Those engineers are smart but sometimes they overthink things and it takes the end-user to set them straight.
REEEALY think this is the case. I'm guessing that during onsite testing, guys were leaving it turned on, with nothing plugged in, and came back the next day to dead batteries. Why they chose 80W I don't know. Can't they tell when "nothing" is plugged in, and simply cut the power until something is? Even a physical switch in the socket maybe? I don't know.
Really think they missed the option of allowing you to choose whether it shuts off or not and at what power and timeout. These should be selectable in the One Key app and then a simple mode button on the unit.
I love the idea of these things. For camping, I use the EcoFlow with a solar charger. The Milwaukee is much better suited to tool use. I wonder how long it would take to charge the Milwaukee on a solar panel? Thanks for the video! Hope your recovery is going well, Rob. And thanks for the cliffhanger ending. So mean. :-p
I agree, these are great.
Why not the milwaukee fo camping? Do you believe the numbers they put out about $4 vs $46 operating cost? That doesnt seem possible.
I think it would depend on how much power the solar panel generates.
@@ronfox5519 How are you recharging the batteries if your camping in an area that has no power at all.... Gas generators will always be the way to go until they come up with a battery that can work for days without needing to be recharged...Solar battery back up is also useless because it takes way to long to recharge even if you hook up multiple solar panels.
Even the new one is ridiculously over priced for what it is. You should do a comparison with this vs other battery banks/solar generators costing approximately the same, comparing features and performance. It would interesting.
overpriced , garbage .
Stick with your drills
Pass. I was out for five days post hurricane Sandy. This thing would have been an expensive paper weight on day two.
Earlier than that. Not what’s it for. Definitely keep gas around for disasters like that.
I'm waiting for an inverter based off Makita XGT platform
I bet that's what he was hinting at in the end lol
@@averystorey6486 This Milwaukee generator is garbage. 2 year battery warranty? The reviewer is completely being all too kind to Milwaukee.
Not many people are seeing this for what it is, for the right job this can be a good substitute for a generator but in another 5 or 10 years if they can increase the run time and output you could see them being used a lot more and have be more useful, maybe at some point they could be just as good as a generator
Doc: Ive upgraded the flux capacitor to an atomic reactor marty!
My 3500w generator will run for 4 hours, supplying 3500 watts without refueling.
Can this?
Toss my gas generator? But...it's already paid for, cost less than this, is more powerful, is quiet enough to have a normal conversation standing next to it, and uses _maybe_ 1 gallon of gas iin 8 hours.
They're going to have to drop the price point significantly if they really want to replace gas generators.
If I could afford it, I’d try it. Has everything to do with power cords only, not gas vs electric. I still have my push rod 360 that gets 12 mpg at best and wouldn’t trade it for a Tesla or Prius, although my wife had a Prius. Convenience. What cost me $250 in gas (pre Jan 2020) in the Prius, cost me over a grand for the same trip (same timeframe). This gen/inverter probably would cost me more than my truck lol.
Well done on getting Milwaukee to take action on this. Without public review and scrutiny companies like Milwaukee can do what they want. Thanks for being the tool guy and gals big voice in a small world.
We were without power 9 days for Hurricane Ida. Only a gasoline or natural gas generator would get us through that many days.
No question! Hope you get power back soon!
only have one question, how long do the milwaukee batteries take to charge on solar or wind power systems? absent that information, i'll stick with my gas powered generator.
Love the *free shipping* both ways from Milwaukee.
Nah, a gas generator still RULES.
Let's see how long you can use one in a closed off space.
@@passthehash8909 Why would I? There's ALWAYS an outside and extension cord. I've worked construction for 30 years, and never ran into a scenario where I COULDN'T use my gas generator.
@@gerhardschulzy in those prisons and hospitals why would you need a generator you have access to 3-phase 200-amp service. Lol come on man
@@gerhardschulzy You're a buffoon if you're making a penny less than $500,000 a year to deal with that!
@@gerhardschulzy And what prison are you working in, it must not be in America because I've worked in a correctional facility before and they just don't give you unlimited access they move people and lock people down. Blow smoke up someone else's rear...
Toss your gas generator? Are you nuts? No way.
Tell that to my buddy who uses his gas generator to charge those packs.
I guess for it's designed purpose it's fine, but this is not a 'generator', I wish people would stop calling them that. No good for power outages, that's what a GENERATOR is for.
@@bennygmooneyhan4907 I was about to ask is it a LiPo battery, can you solar recharge it? lol Even though its not a generator I think construction folks would love those options
Surgery? Oh no! Pray everything is going well and a speedy recovery!
Big question for Milwaukee.... Is there a way to differentiate the new from the old? Serial numbers, manufacturer date code, different model number, something? I don't want to purchase one from a dealer and it ends up being the old model just to send it right back and wait 2 or 3 weeks before I can use it. Anyway to get a clear answer from Milwaukee on this? Thanks and again, God speed.
I wouldn't trade my Honda generator for four those pieces of junk i can fill the generator with 1 gallon of gas and run it for 10 or 12 hours no charge needed fill and go again.
So it will last 12 hours running site lights and the blowers for a couple propane heaters? NO....... Those are for "contractors" with big shiny trucks and clean work boots...
Gas/propane combo is way to go. For something like this, it better be able to be charged by solar
Red Green! Love the reference!!!!
One thing for sure, Honda isn't worried.
Milwaukee if you are listening, we need a cordless cold cut chop saw
It’s a cool toy but I’ll stick with my Honda generator.
Try recharging that with access to only a plastic tube and a bucket, while building a cabin 73 miles from the nearest outlet, mate. Gas is still king.
It would be cool if they allowed it to be solar rechargeable or some kind of solar capability. I dont have this unit but I read from others that you cannot use the output while its being charged... seems like they may need to re-engineer it some more if thats the case.... there are solar generators that can do the same and have more features
My 4500w Champion runs on propane. Not as energy dense as gas. But my 200gal tank will run critical electronics during an outage. My Bluetti 55 runs LED lights and powers my wireless router. Different tools for different jobs. Oh, and I can recharge the Bluetti from the inverter/generator.
So is this Rob 2.0? Or is this Chase in disguise?
I have no idea which one is which.
LOL this is "Pre-Op Rob". We shot several videos before I went under the knife. Tomorrow we have a showcase coming out. You could win a HUGE surprise from EGO!
Diesel powered is the absolute best generator .
Fussing with a gas generator as what I can use. I can run the whole house and my neighbors house.
Soundproofing just like a little gas gen . Fueling you ask. Just use tank for the oil fire furnace.
Four dollars per month to charge vs. $46 dollar a month in gas. What you neglected to cover was the upfront cost of this unit and the replacement cost for the batteries. In the U.S. the unit is $2199 and 'a' replacement battery is $599, where in Canada, the cost for the unit is $2999 + tax (13%) and the replacement battery is $799 + tax (13%). I can buy a Honda 2200 EI inverter for $1299 and enough gas to run it for a few years (depending on usage) before I ever reach the cost fo the MX-3600. As much as I like the unit itself, I am not going to fork over that kind of coin for it. Furthermore, if you are in the bush, recharging it will not be as easy as plugging it into a electrical outlet. Trees in the wild don't have that availability.
… great ! … - until you can’t re-charge it ‘cause the electricity’s still off …
The thing has One Key, wouldn't it make more sense to make the feature an optional setting?
2nd error: no 240volt, essential for welder
Definitely not meant for welding. A 240 volt welder requires at minimum a 30A breaker. And typically use a 50A breaker. This thing only has a 15 A breaker for two outlets. This is not a generator supply meant for that type of work unfortunately
Sounds like that will be a feature on the F-150 Lightning electric pick up - 240VAC output
Or running a deep well pump. Basically useless
Milwaukee if you're listening we all want a M18 version.topoff is nice for small stuff but , need a higher wattage M18 unit
Not yet because there isn't a m18 one
Oh yeah! Love the RedGreen Reference!
I want one so bad!! I just can't justify 3k
Yea total scam job, gtfo
Yeah MX (MEGA XTRA CASH)
Smart contractors dont even touch Mx line. Way over priced and built the same as the m18 just larger batteries..and bigger bodies ill buy a $1500 gen and ill NEVER put $1500 gas in it before its dead. even if I did it’s smarter to have then batteries that charge batteries then die and the power is out.🤔 2+2 is 4 just like their air compressor 😂. Totally useless. We Cut the cord …but you want it back?🤔 buy an electric and a extension cord save hundreds if not more due to their batteries and plugging in a charger to charge them because the compressor is cordless 👍 and still use an airline that you trip on? great marketing must say.
Just imagine what gas generator you can buy for that money and the gas you can run it with....These things are a grift and serve only few practicle implementations..
When the batteries are dead, I have to hope I'll have sun all day, so I can lug out my solar panels and inverter and wire it all up and wait 8 hours... When a gas generator runs out, I simply refill the tank on I'm back in business. There's no comparison... 'nuff said. 😎👍
Except when you run out off gas.
Just do a little research on portable power station. You will see there are plenty choices at much lower cost.
I own a bunch of battery powered Milwaukee tools, and they work fine. BUT, I take issue with representing that a battery plus inverter equates to a 'Generator'.
One GENERATES electricity by converting chemical energy into electrical energy when needed, and is 'recharged' by simply pouring in some gasoline
The other STORES electricity, to be withdrawn when needed. But recharging requires AN ELECTRICAL POWER SOURCE, SUCH AS A GENERATOR.
Also, most batteries (even lithium) would be hard pressed to run 3600 Watts for long (~20 minutes). On a 12 Volt battery, this is 300+ Amps. The batteries are commonly 100-Amp-Hour
Let's be honest here. How is an electric generator better than a gas one? The answer is never.
1-when your out of power, you are done. Having extra batteries is expensive and they will drain while not in use. Gas is readily available. I keep 100L+ around. Or you can siphon some if needed
2-nobody ever addresses the fact that environmentally, batteries are no better than gas until 10years latter. Batteries don't last 10 years, so the saving are gone, as is eviro impact. Batteries require mining, logistics, manufacturing, and plastics. Yes plastics, an oil byproduct people.
I could go on, but the benefits of this is minimal. For a job site, I'll be damned if a contractor is using my power to charge it at the same cost as when they would bring a gas generator. So as a consumer I won't benefit.
And to touch on this a little more, if we are trying to save the world via electricity, just but a Cordes drill and extension cord, it will last through every job 100%. Quicker, no changing batteries. No extra plastics, no extra batteries in land fills. You can buy one electric drill as a homeowner for your whole life. And in 25 years, it'll still work at 100% of the speed and torque it had on day one.
The solution is to stop being wasteful.
I mostly agree but generators are loud as hell. So there's at least that.
Still don't see buying this though.
@@dchawk81 there are quiet boxes you can buy, but with a few boards proped around it, you can quiet it quite a bit
@@EC_ATV_Outdoors Yeah I know but it still doesn't make them quiet. Just quieter.
What's the names of the lightest and the most quietest 4,000w gas generators with electric start and or Remote start that can use gas or propane ?
I wish it offered DC out jacks. And M12 / M18 charger docks to sidestep the AC conversion losses.
These things are batteries, not generators. Does Milwaukee pay you to do video's of their products?
Nope! But a lot of our regular viewers are invested in the MX platform, and were waiting to hear how to get their Carry-On "fixed". That's what this video is for.
The title is hyperbole. Of course Gas isn't dead. There isn't a single person watching this video that thinks these boxes are magic sources of power that never end. It's pretty obvious you have to have a power source to recharge the batteries when they're dead. They won't get you through a week long power outage.
Milwaukee, DeWALT, EGO, and a few others are offering these inverters as alternatives to gas, not in every situation, but in those that require it. Sometimes you're on a job where you have to limit noise. Or you have to bring power inside but you can't bring the fumes. And keep in mind, these all run off of batteries that also work on their tools. So if you already have a few MX batteries for your core drill or concrete saw, it's incredibly convenient for them to simply drop them in an inverter, and use it to power other corded tools, or a microwave on a jobsite.
It's not for everyone, and it's not a general replacement for gas generators. Was never meant to be.
These are probably a great idea for job sites, but I would not replace a generator for many other things. For a job site though, I think it is a great idea.
This is the most stupid idea i have ever seen
First day on TH-cam there bud?
Agree! If you can 'get by' with one of these, then you don't actually NEED one.
Great updates and lol you will figure out the one with the feature pretty easy @Belts And Boxes
Yeah sounds good, I'm still going to buy that honda Generator though.
Recently had a power outage in california due to the fires, my neighbor forgot to charge his MX, helped him charge it with my honda 3000 IS.
Loved the red green reference! If the women don’t find you handsome they should at least find you handy
Sounds good if it wasn't for one thing. How do you recharge it when the power is off. Think I'll keep my gas generator.
Hi rob, welcome back, hope your ok now, Sarah has been doing great, good to see you again, regards, Bob,
So.... Dewalt PS hanging out in the background. Still relevant. Still using 18/20V to achieve 3600W peak. If they come with a version 2 and other smaller compact version; I'll get them. MX is a huge investment.
"red green" fix! awesome!
I proudly bought a gas generator 3 days ago.