I can’t love this podcast enough. This has me sobbing. I’ve been having panic attacks since October of last year when I had a nervous breakdown. I thought my life was over, and I truly thought I was losing my mind. I got in therapy, on medicine, and started making life changes and digging deep. It’s going to be a long haul, but I am so incredibly thankful for your podcast. I feel seen, heard, and human. ❤
Beautiful podcast re: panic attacks. Yes, been there. Ended up in an Urgent Care one night. The nurse told me when the Dr. left that he thought I was on drugs of some kind. She was so sorry, but needed to make me aware of this. I consider her an angel in my recovery from them. I wrote a letter a few days after to the State Medical Board, telling them this Dr. should not be practicing and why. That, in itself, brought me even more freedom and a sense of courage I hadn't expected.
When your surgeon, the next day of your surgery finds you at your hospital bed, still fully wired to IV, watching this fabulous episode in your iphone, and he sits along, watch some minutes with you in silence, shares bits of his own panic attack years ago while being part of a mountain rescue team, then he realizes that needs to check on me, send me home to recover and continue his visits, so he takes a photo of my screen and swears me he’ll watch this episode in the next free moment he’ll have. Sounds weird? No. Anything can happen while watching this unique, fantastic podcast!
I really appreciate that Matt mentioned "maintenance" in the healing journey. That there is no endpoint of achievement like "I'm all better now and will never suffer again". We can decrease the intensity of the pain and continue to work and grow but we will never in this human experience be totally free from it.
This is the struggle I am having with health professionals atm. "But you've had the therapy, you should be fine now". Yeah, I've had therapy but needs the maintenance to keep me healthy.
From someone that has panic disorder, THANK YOU. Seeing that someone that I avidly watch on TV who has the same issues really makes me feel less alone.
I worked in ER and people would come in having panic attacks. These were never treated seriously and basically told your having a panic attack and now go sit down. No empathy at all😞
I just stumbled upon this and I’m so glad I found it. I suffer from anxiety and have horrendous panic attacks but watching this video makes me feel so much better and I know I can push through them now. I have a better understanding of what I’m dealing with and this video was so well done and explained thank you so much 💜
Im very very grateful for this episode! I discovered fresh information and received answers to questions I had. I just want to share that my best friend and I entered a singing contest together when we were still in college. We practiced a lot leading up to that performance, and I was really looking forward to it, but I guess I panicked when I saw so many people. I started to sweat as my heart was beating rapidly. Since that time, I have apologised to my closest friend for what I did. I told her that I was unable to continue performing. I sincerely regret what happened that day. What if I didn't experience that? There are so many what-ifs running through my head. I hope I won't go through that again. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS EPISODE! So happy to see the both of you, Mayim & Jonathan! ❤ Love you! Keep safe!
Same thing happened to me in high school. I didn't know what was happening at the time. I still remember the moment exactly. Since then I've sung solos with no problem
Only discovered this podcast around 4 days ago and have listened to so many already, however this has been the most insightful, engaging, interesting and funny. Really enjoyed it
Food has been an integral part of my healing anxiety. I haven’t had panic for a long time. Just anxiety and some insomnia. I became a vegan and only eat Whole Foods, no sugar or alcohol or processed foods. I also do a lot of meditation and chanting and intuitive therapy via guided meditations… I’m happy for Matt. Have been a fan for years. Thank you for sharing your story. We all have one ❤❤❤
Yes! For me too, it’s totally dietary. When I cut out sugar and I started intermittent fasting (I only eat one meal a day= dinner) my panic attacks and my terrifying nightly sleep paralysis episodes went away and now I sleep more deeply and wake up feeling well rested.. and this is just to name a couple of things that have been cured by eating like this. I’m never going back to my old pattern of eating! Holy cow 🤯! I just realized that maybe the sleep paralysis is having a panic attack in my sleep 🤯🤯🤯.
On a fundamental, spiritual level even, being vegan (or at least gravitating towards that awareness) can truly help. People take it for granted that dairy, meat, and eggs all carry adrenaline, fear, anxiety, panic, and sadness in them. So to ingest those things not only affects us physically, but emotionally and mentally, and every other way. And to the people saying that vegetables feel pain, or cutting plants is torture, that may be somewhat debatable, but only SOMEWHAT. It’s different than consuming actually sentient beings. Not saying there isn’t spirit in everything. Not saying plants aren’t “alive” and processing, because that’s not true. They are alive. But again, it’s different with mammals, birds. Even reptiles that some people hunt, eat, farm, etc. These are sentient, feeling and thinking beings. Tetrapods. Beings that aren’t too different from us, with mental capacities, self awareness and who birth and (usually) raise their young. Meanwhile, plants have the basic cellular structure to POSSIBLY know that something “bad” is happening, so they proceed to release certain hormones to ward off their “attacker”. But look at all the vegans and vegetarians reporting better feelings, physically and mentally, that speaks volumes. Many meat eaters are stressed or unwell, and this is all debatable… I digress. But I hope this makes sense.
I experienced my first panic attack during my junior year of high school, while speaking in front of my English class. His story about the presentation he was giving was very relatable to me.
My first panic attack in my life was when my mother's casket was being lowered into the ground. Up until that point, I was a mess, but I was "okay" relatively speaking. I held her hand when she died. I watched her be lowered into the casket. I helped carry the casket up to the plot. But the permanence of her body being lowered into the ground made my entire world explode. I screamed that I was alone in the world. Wailed. Cried. I felt like an elephant sat on my chest. My legs buckled and I know that 2 people grabbed my arms so that I wouldn't fall on the concrete sidewalk as I stumbled away from her grave. I couldn't see. And it wasn't because I was crying. Like I momentarily could not see. Everything became sort of gray. I have asthma, so that triggered an asthma attack on top of it. I remember that because I couldn't breathe. I thought I was going to drop dead. Time did not exist. The next thing I know, I find myself sitting in a chair with a lady I never met in my entire life looking at me in the eyes and telling me "Your mom loves you, and you did everything you could." And I remember that her voice is all I could hear. There were lots of people at the burial talking and whatnot... but this woman's voice is all I could hear. Never saw this woman before. Never saw her again after that. I call her Angel... because that singular moment is what helped bring me back to earth, so to speak. That panic though. That pain of feeling like I had no one else in the world. The fear of not having a mother. The helplessness. The dread of the future.... the simultaneous fear of "omg is this a heart attack" and "omg I hope it is, I just wanna die." It was the worst thing I've ever felt. Prior to this moment I've had moments of extreme anxiety or fear, but never to this level. I know it is possible for this to happen again, and that's scary. It's scary to me that I can go through a process and suddenly implode like that. I'm currently in therapy to deal all with all of these things, and I'm doing better. But, I'm human. We all are. And we must give ourselves grace. We deserve that.
Psilocybin helped me to alleviate a lot of heavy feelings and to gain a little broader perspective. I suddenly stopped in my tracks looking at nature and said out loud that, "the world is just as beautiful on a day that I'm sad as when I'm happy and noticing it- it's just my perspective that's changed." That thought since that day 2 years ago has continued to jolt me and help me slow down and observe and feel instead of trying to control. ❤️ I really appreciate Matt Gutman's honesty and perspective. I'm going to look into that book. Thanks so much for this podcast, Mayim.
Matt is Mishpachah and I am so glad to see him making mental health a talked about issue. There are so many stigmas to mental health and those who deal with it for themselves or loved ones fight a lot of those stigmas. Getting help can be difficult and the ridicule intense. I am so glad he is putting it out in the open. Thank you Matt. Love you!
This is my favorite discussion on your show so far. Matt is so eloquent and you two are discussing some new topics so thoroughly that haven't been talked about before, at least not this well.
i started havinf panic attacks years ago. Therapy has helped so so much, but i also have had to accept that this is something that i may not be able to "cure", but instead need to "manage" in such a way as to optimie my quality of life. That has been a sobering realization.
What a fantastic interview. TY for this in-depth conversation about such an important topic. It takes such courage to face our fears, admit we are imperfect. We are each a work in progress.
My husband experienced his first panic attack while driving to pick me up from work and as soon as he arrived, he immediately got out of the car and just started walking around the car and was taking deep breaths. I was so confused because he didn't say anything because he knew there was nothing I could do and he didn't want me to worry.
got a bit unnerved by this which also accumulated into a sob-out that is found elsewhere in these comments but was tending to some visual clutter that was unnerving me before, so now my place is cleared, held-onto tears have been shed, this really is a meaningful gathering space of confrontational solace
YES!!! I went to the ER I thought I was dying. They said maybe you’re dehydrated. It came back a month later at 3am and I had learned enough from online “research” by then. I learned to mask my attacks and get through them. I thought everyone must have them and I just needed to learn how to deal.
Thankfully I don't suffer from anxiety or panic disorder, but I think is inexcusable that ER health professionals would dismiss patient concerns because they didn't self-diagnose correctly, without providing them at the very least with the suggestion it might be a mental health issue. That is shocking and horrific especially in light of the self-perpetuating nature of the sickness. That I do understand, to an extent,, as one who experienced not only the emotional devastation of a severe depressive episode, but as well the trauma of having endured and survived that emotional desert and near-death experience. To this day, over 20 years later, those 3 months are seared on my brain. So too, my heart goes out to those with that double impact of a mental health crisis, triple if you count the trauma of shame and stigma. Which hopefully this wonderful educational episode will help dispel. For that service alone Mayim deserves an award. KUDOS. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I wonder what I would have been if severe chronic depression, due to abandonment and sex abuses, that later would give me PTSD, and panic attacks, were not present in my life. At 51, I look back and see nothing I can be proud of. I am barely finishing my BA in Political Science - hopefully, in Spring 2024. It took me twenty years to accomplish this; four suicidal attempts, which I fight daily to avoid de fifth one. Anyhow, I wish I could disconnect myself from this horrible past and enjoy whatever I have ahead in my life. Mental illnesses are debilitating, never blame someone with any mental illness, it’s something we all cannot get rid of, even with the best care and medication around. We can improve, but never get cured of our miserable hurt brain. Be compassionate with your loved ones, that’s the only thing we need - compassion.
There is a hill that I used to have to take to get to the doctor. I found an alternative route, but lately, I have had to go up it because of construction. Going up it is not quite as bad till I get to the top
Started having panic attacks 3 months ago when my mother passed away. I've always been a little anxious( control issue) but never had an attack. Globus sensation has been the worst for me which makes it hard to still eat. Going to therapy and dealing with the trauma related to my parent loss. I also have a brain tumor so still trying to figure out if this makes it harder to deal with my emotions.
I experienced a few panic attacks for the first time last year, and it is very scary if you haven't experienced one. It caused me to take a step back and address anxiety and boundary issues in my life. The mindfulness book "30 Days to Reduce Anxiety" by Harper Daniels helped; so I recommend that short book with Gutman's for a way to build a daily routine for managing anxiety.
I've been confused about whether or not my excessive sweating, dry mouth, stuttering, out of body feeling--is anxiety attack or panic. Most people I know that have panic attacks usually involves vomiting. I am working with a clinic to begin ketamine therapy so fingers crossed 😊.
have been introduced to having yurashi sessions done lately (shoutout to public german healthcare for making newer techniques of mindbody-care accessible!!) believe it's a japanese gentle-touch type of physical therapy involving these rocking-motions that release tensions in body and mind. to me also seems to mimic a caretaking of inner-toddler needs almost which is why it came to my mind here. beautiful stuff. here's to motherandfather earth 💞
I think my first panic attack was in 8th grade when I had to stand up in front of my class and give a presentation. I remember feeling like I was having an out of body experience like I wasn’t even sure my voice was coming from my own body. It sounded like an echo in my ears, and then .I remember feeling like I was having an out of body experience like I wasn’t even sure my voice was coming from my own body. It sounded like an echo in my ears and then all of a sudden I fainted in front of the whole class and hit my head on the science lab desk, and then fell backwards to the chalkboard on the floor. So embarrassing. Then it happened again in college. Same experience, I had to give a presentation in front of a class and the professor was very intimidating. I felt very hot and was sweating again I couldn’t tell if my voice was even coming from my body it was just an echo I was not present at all it was like I blacked out and then finally it happened again at my sisters wedding, when I was expected to give a speech and I had such a bad panic attack. I had to leave the rehearsal dinner and go outside and have a cigarette with my cousin. There’s something about public speaking but definitely triggers panic attacks. I’ve also felt them during job interviews. And people talking about beta blockers and then wonder if that is something I should try.
Knowing all the traumas he was exposed to, professionally, that he tried to just sweep under the "kitty litter" and move on to the next horrific story, it is not surprising that he had so many screams and wails bottled up inside him that needed to get out. And this is after the traumas of childhood that he tried to sweep past (likely only lightly touching on the emotional levels in the counseling he did).
Is there such a thing as a silent panic attack. My best friend will have a racing heart even at a time when she is sitting calmly for awhile. I know it scares her and she has talked to her doctor but they seemed to be unconcerned about it. 😢
It happens, and it sucks. Precisely, my feelings of loss of self control is it. Zanex fits my need, thankful for science’s research and possibilities to calm and help with coping. 😊
What does it mean when your normal state of mind is like when taking Ayahuasca? It’s very difficult for me to ground and have a 3D experience. I have a trauma and CPTSD history and this feeling is very different from my historical dissociative experiences. It feels like healing. It’s just a bit intense and overwhelming. I’m open to trying anything others have found helpful during these times.
Sending good thoughts your way. That sounds ... idk. Intense? Do you feel like a meditative retreat would be helpful? You came here, indicating a search for wise like-minds, and that sounds like a solid starting point to me. Good luck.
So, one thing I didn't seem to hear was that this Panic Attack during the Kolb Bryant crash report caused Matt to fumble and what can seem at that time to be horrifying end of career situation, caused him to take the "bad and humiliating" and turn it into his own life changing journey. It just goes to show that life is a crazy roulette wheel and if you keep playing, things can take a complete turn. Off topic, I don't know how Mayim kept from blushing because he is a very attractive man. Sorry just had to mention. lol
I wish i could confirm intergenerational trauma for myself & family of origin. But that family Does Not Talk About Things. There's no hardship stories being handed down and I feel all this weird guilt for being a survivor of all that privlege and still turning out with panic and a host other issues. I'm sure things must have happened even to my grandmother and mother as women but again, the habit passed down is: not talking about that sort of thing and covering it up with cat litter and running away ....is definitely the only evidence that something is amiss.
The last generation in America (the baby boomers) had alot of trauma across the board. From misguided advice from Psycology about child-rearing (the idea of "too much mother love") and people being second generation of immigrant families (immigrating to a new country is a form of trauma). Also, The Great Depression was a serious hardship for many people. I'm sure there are others as well but maybe that helps give you some more clues to your possible history. Gabor Maté has written about generational trauma and has done many interviews as well.
I also feel some form of spirituality or spiritual teachings to complement this process is always helpful - but one needs to find the one path that talks to them. I personally appreciate the Buddhist teachings not as a religion but as helpful teaching that includes work on oneself and also in-depth understanding on ones true nature and also the nature of true reality and how it all works. Chip chip at the wall of trauma - fear - distortions- delusion until the wall of ignorance crumbles and transforms into enlightenment or being awake so to speak.
Indeed, generational trauma is real. For American Japanese who were sent to military prisons during the second world war, they inadvertently passed down a code of silence. it wasn't until I read Molly Fumia's Honor Thy Children that I realized that even today, the ghosts of the war continue to haunt subsequent generations. For example, they have to prove that they are good Americans by marrying non-Japanese and having mixed race children. Even though we are now at generation 4 or 5, they are still pressured to not worry their parents and to marry outside their ethnic group. While reading this, I can't but to wonder whether or not generational trauma also affects the people of Japan. They have such a high rate of s**cide, abor****ns and such a low rate of marriage and babies. One can't help but to wonder ....
That can be done via accupuncture/accupressure. Agree, John, about the timing/opportunity & the body carrying the pain in various areas of the body. The pit & the water are great analogies. Your explanation as to clearing out significant amounts but there's still more to do. You did a great job Mayim. Jon, yours was a good one too. If you get weepy, they hand you a kleenex box & send you to therapy.
Good sound thoughts and expressions re all these healing modalities by Mayim Bialik. Very much needed but also need stewards to protect the process + $$ accessible!!
I’ve never heard or seen this guy before but he’s not bad looking either😀😀he’s clean cut shaven, thank god he shaved, thank the heavens for that and no tattoos showing😀😀 Interesting subject about something I know nothing about!!
I breath IN deep into the belly, through my nose … HOLD 4 counts and exhale hard through my mouth and pull n my belly to help push out the air… , then begin again until a change pings me.
I get the demand might’ve been under under a good deal of stress, because of his being a news reporter. Yes, I do agree that we are all are conditioned not to distress other people and to be conscious of not hurting other people. But how can I use of psychedelic drugs? Be a solution with all the drugs that are available in this country. They are extremely dangerous.
It is mostly psychological it cane be chemical your prolactin can be high both men and women to induce panic attacks it’s should be more investigated until jumping to conclusions all symptoms should be
OK I do not quite understand so in essence, this man did you some type of drugs, whether it’s from vines in Peru, or wherever it truly is some type of drug therapy. It almost sounds as if he took a trip with LSD. Drugs can give you all sorts of delusions.
Interesting topic. Do you know what would have been even more interesting, even if off topic? Ask Matt Guttman to explain all he knows about Brittainy Diamond Eugene and Rachel Jeantel. Press him to tell the truth. You will be fascinated, provided he were to tell the truth.
So reiki, shrooms, and toad venom - all interesting and as you mentioned have been mentioned for decades if not centuries. Still - I believe the best landing spot for all those of Jewish and Christian beliefs … is faith in God. HE is the only answer to the God shaped hole. One still would have to practice, pray and participate for a personal relationship with Him. Peace. ❤
Lol...and if that was real people in church wouldn't have so many issues or health problems. Look into it...they all die more than people who don't believe To many believers rely on God to do things instead of themselves taking care of themselves.
As a believer I am prayerfully fighting the instinct to command you, with this simple comment that serves ego alone, to get behind me. *edit: I will assume you are more likely well-intentioned than controlled by pride ... my bad. We can agree to disagree on the effectiveness of such one-sided, deaf and blind evangelism. So I have no comment, except to genuinely check myself/my rudeness and request forgiveness for failing to heed the biblical command to keep intra-faith disputes in-house and off public platforms. Bless you! ❤
God is for us not against us....not mother earth....I know people use that phrase as not to offend people. But people who are offended by God....are not his and should be very afraid.
Wow! Incredible podcast with Matt Gutman! Let me first say what a pleasure it was to listen to a guest speak eloquently and without a single "umm". His sentences were thoughtful, clear, precise, descriptive and free flowing....harmony to my ears!! So many guests can't seem to speak a coherent sentence and all the "umms" drive me bonkers. Mayim had a particular guest on that dominated the entire podcast with "umms" 😬🤨😬 Matt's journalism background and mastery of the English language is well appreciated by this viewer 😊 His experiences are worth reading about and I will read his book. I'd love to heal with therapy he mentioned that released his pent up primal screams. I believe this therapy should be readily available and dare I say covered by insurance 🫣 It would be great if Mayim's staff could put together a State directory of practitioners for viewers to refer to on her website. Matt, thank you for sharing your experiences!!
I love that Matt shared this. He is a גבר, and with his enormous popularity, he has a great impact to help others accept that our minds are what they are, have the ability that they have. I was a paratrooper combat medic and of course we weren't allowed to be scared or anxious, and so many end up psychically broken. I have the anxiety that is common to our people. I struggled a lot with my internal critic because of this. Though I performed to standard under heavy stressors, I had a burden of psychic stress that I self-medicated with alcohol and high-risk behaviors. I was not the person my loved ones deserved. Only when, through Buddhism and Chasidut and CBT, I learned that I wasn't defective could I start to learn to accept and live companionably with the scared little guy in me. Thank you Matt for sharing this and helping those of us who suffer unknowing. ❤🦫🦫
I can’t love this podcast enough. This has me sobbing. I’ve been having panic attacks since October of last year when I had a nervous breakdown. I thought my life was over, and I truly thought I was losing my mind. I got in therapy, on medicine, and started making life changes and digging deep. It’s going to be a long haul, but I am so incredibly thankful for your podcast. I feel seen, heard, and human. ❤
A very human experience, and so glad to hear you're beginning you're healing journey, Benjamin. Thanks so much for being here, and for sharing. 🧠🫶
Beautiful podcast re: panic attacks. Yes, been there. Ended up in an Urgent Care one night. The nurse told me when the Dr. left that he thought I was on drugs of some kind. She was so sorry, but needed to make me aware of this. I consider her an angel in my recovery from them. I wrote a letter a few days after to the State Medical Board, telling them this Dr. should not be practicing and why. That, in itself, brought me even more freedom and a sense of courage I hadn't expected.
When your surgeon, the next day of your surgery finds you at your hospital bed, still fully wired to IV, watching this fabulous episode in your iphone, and he sits along, watch some minutes with you in silence, shares bits of his own panic attack years ago while being part of a mountain rescue team, then he realizes that needs to check on me, send me home to recover and continue his visits, so he takes a photo of my screen and swears me he’ll watch this episode in the next free moment he’ll have. Sounds weird? No. Anything can happen while watching this unique, fantastic podcast!
Hope you are recovering nicely! 🫶
@@MayimBialik Thank you! 💜 Recovering at home yet. At the dry dock for now..🥴
These stories make me see that panic attacks are not shameful
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I really appreciate that Matt mentioned "maintenance" in the healing journey. That there is no endpoint of achievement like "I'm all better now and will never suffer again". We can decrease the intensity of the pain and continue to work and grow but we will never in this human experience be totally free from it.
This is the struggle I am having with health professionals atm. "But you've had the therapy, you should be fine now".
Yeah, I've had therapy but needs the maintenance to keep me healthy.
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Yes! Maintenance
From someone that has panic disorder, THANK YOU. Seeing that someone that I avidly watch on TV who has the same issues really makes me feel less alone.
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I worked in ER and people would come in having panic attacks. These were never treated seriously and basically told your having a panic attack and now go sit down. No empathy at all😞
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I really enjoyed listening to this conversation with Matt Gutman. Thank you so much for another wonderful episode beautiful Mayim! ❤
Very grateful for this learning opportunity. Keep it coming, Mayim. This is such important work. What a legacy!
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I just stumbled upon this and I’m so glad I found it. I suffer from anxiety and have horrendous panic attacks but watching this video makes me feel so much better and I know I can push through them now. I have a better understanding of what I’m dealing with and this video was so well done and explained thank you so much 💜
Im very very grateful for this episode! I discovered fresh information and received answers to questions I had.
I just want to share that my best friend and I entered a singing contest together when we were still in college. We practiced a lot leading up to that performance, and I was really looking forward to it, but I guess I panicked when I saw so many people. I started to sweat as my heart was beating rapidly. Since that time, I have apologised to my closest friend for what I did. I told her that I was unable to continue performing. I sincerely regret what happened that day. What if I didn't experience that? There are so many what-ifs running through my head. I hope I won't go through that again.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS EPISODE! So happy to see the both of you, Mayim & Jonathan! ❤ Love you! Keep safe!
Same thing happened to me in high school. I didn't know what was happening at the time. I still remember the moment exactly. Since then I've sung solos with no problem
@@noreenconstantine4612 yeah me too, but sometimes i still feel scared performing but i think i can handle it now
I absolutely loved this conversation. So much depth, analysis and humor all in one. Thank you Matt, Mayim and Jonathan!
Only discovered this podcast around 4 days ago and have listened to so many already, however this has been the most insightful, engaging, interesting and funny. Really enjoyed it
So glad you found us !! 🧠🫶
I've had panic disorder and depression since age 12. I'm 44 now. It has been a long journey. Still have so much to learn and heal.
Food has been an integral part of my healing anxiety. I haven’t had panic for a long time. Just anxiety and some insomnia. I became a vegan and only eat Whole Foods, no sugar or alcohol or processed foods. I also do a lot of meditation and chanting and intuitive therapy via guided meditations… I’m happy for Matt. Have been a fan for years. Thank you for sharing your story. We all have one ❤❤❤
Yes! For me too, it’s totally dietary. When I cut out sugar and I started intermittent fasting (I only eat one meal a day= dinner) my panic attacks and my terrifying nightly sleep paralysis episodes went away and now I sleep more deeply and wake up feeling well rested.. and this is just to name a couple of things that have been cured by eating like this. I’m never going back to my old pattern of eating! Holy cow 🤯! I just realized that maybe the sleep paralysis is having a panic attack in my sleep 🤯🤯🤯.
On a fundamental, spiritual level even, being vegan (or at least gravitating towards that awareness) can truly help. People take it for granted that dairy, meat, and eggs all carry adrenaline, fear, anxiety, panic, and sadness in them. So to ingest those things not only affects us physically, but emotionally and mentally, and every other way. And to the people saying that vegetables feel pain, or cutting plants is torture, that may be somewhat debatable, but only SOMEWHAT. It’s different than consuming actually sentient beings. Not saying there isn’t spirit in everything. Not saying plants aren’t “alive” and processing, because that’s not true. They are alive. But again, it’s different with mammals, birds. Even reptiles that some people hunt, eat, farm, etc. These are sentient, feeling and thinking beings. Tetrapods. Beings that aren’t too different from us, with mental capacities, self awareness and who birth and (usually) raise their young. Meanwhile, plants have the basic cellular structure to POSSIBLY know that something “bad” is happening, so they proceed to release certain hormones to ward off their “attacker”. But look at all the vegans and vegetarians reporting better feelings, physically and mentally, that speaks volumes. Many meat eaters are stressed or unwell, and this is all debatable… I digress. But I hope this makes sense.
I experienced my first panic attack during my junior year of high school, while speaking in front of my English class. His story about the presentation he was giving was very relatable to me.
My first panic attack in my life was when my mother's casket was being lowered into the ground. Up until that point, I was a mess, but I was "okay" relatively speaking. I held her hand when she died. I watched her be lowered into the casket. I helped carry the casket up to the plot.
But the permanence of her body being lowered into the ground made my entire world explode. I screamed that I was alone in the world. Wailed. Cried. I felt like an elephant sat on my chest. My legs buckled and I know that 2 people grabbed my arms so that I wouldn't fall on the concrete sidewalk as I stumbled away from her grave. I couldn't see. And it wasn't because I was crying. Like I momentarily could not see. Everything became sort of gray. I have asthma, so that triggered an asthma attack on top of it. I remember that because I couldn't breathe. I thought I was going to drop dead. Time did not exist. The next thing I know, I find myself sitting in a chair with a lady I never met in my entire life looking at me in the eyes and telling me "Your mom loves you, and you did everything you could." And I remember that her voice is all I could hear. There were lots of people at the burial talking and whatnot... but this woman's voice is all I could hear.
Never saw this woman before. Never saw her again after that. I call her Angel... because that singular moment is what helped bring me back to earth, so to speak.
That panic though. That pain of feeling like I had no one else in the world. The fear of not having a mother. The helplessness. The dread of the future.... the simultaneous fear of "omg is this a heart attack" and "omg I hope it is, I just wanna die."
It was the worst thing I've ever felt. Prior to this moment I've had moments of extreme anxiety or fear, but never to this level. I know it is possible for this to happen again, and that's scary. It's scary to me that I can go through a process and suddenly implode like that. I'm currently in therapy to deal all with all of these things, and I'm doing better. But, I'm human. We all are. And we must give ourselves grace. We deserve that.
Psilocybin helped me to alleviate a lot of heavy feelings and to gain a little broader perspective. I suddenly stopped in my tracks looking at nature and said out loud that, "the world is just as beautiful on a day that I'm sad as when I'm happy and noticing it- it's just my perspective that's changed." That thought since that day 2 years ago has continued to jolt me and help me slow down and observe and feel instead of trying to control. ❤️
I really appreciate Matt Gutman's honesty and perspective. I'm going to look into that book. Thanks so much for this podcast, Mayim.
Matt is Mishpachah and I am so glad to see him making mental health a talked about issue. There are so many stigmas to mental health and those who deal with it for themselves or loved ones fight a lot of those stigmas. Getting help can be difficult and the ridicule intense. I am so glad he is putting it out in the open. Thank you Matt. Love you!
This is my favorite discussion on your show so far. Matt is so eloquent and you two are discussing some new topics so thoroughly that haven't been talked about before, at least not this well.
i started havinf panic attacks years ago. Therapy has helped so so much, but i also have had to accept that this is something that i may not be able to "cure", but instead need to "manage" in such a way as to optimie my quality of life. That has been a sobering realization.
I do enjoy your podcasts mayim with matt Gutman
What a fantastic interview. TY for this in-depth conversation about such an important topic. It takes such courage to face our fears, admit we are imperfect. We are each a work in progress.
This was a great episode and I hung on every word. Matt is so real and articulate. You and Jonathan did a wonderful job facilitating. Thank you!
What a surprising and fascinating segment. I, too, appreciate how thoroughly Mayim read the book beforehand.
Thank you to you and your entire team. I have learned so much from listening/watching your podcasts.
Love to hear it, Debbie - thank you !! 🧠🫶
My husband experienced his first panic attack while driving to pick me up from work and as soon as he arrived, he immediately got out of the car and just started walking around the car and was taking deep breaths. I was so confused because he didn't say anything because he knew there was nothing I could do and he didn't want me to worry.
I watched this episode like 3 times!
I love the way Jonathan explained it.❤
Amazing conversation. Thank you Mayim, Matt & Jonathan.
THIS was the best description of legitimate panic attacks i've EVER been able to relate to
That was SO GOOD
I immediately ran out to get his book after this interview. Thank you for featuring him.
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Loved this episode so much. Thank You Mayim. Love from Argentina
hii Mayim i just want to say that i love this show sm and you've helped me through a lot so tysm
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got a bit unnerved by this which also accumulated into a sob-out that is found elsewhere in these comments but was tending to some visual clutter that was unnerving me before, so now my place is cleared, held-onto tears have been shed, this really is a meaningful gathering space of confrontational solace
YES!!! I went to the ER I thought I was dying. They said maybe you’re dehydrated. It came back a month later at 3am and I had learned enough from online “research” by then. I learned to mask my attacks and get through them. I thought everyone must have them and I just needed to learn how to deal.
That was an amazing interview … THANK YOU !😊
Thank you so much for this podcast .. wow eye opening .. 😮
Thankfully I don't suffer from anxiety or panic disorder, but I think is inexcusable that ER health professionals would dismiss patient concerns because they didn't self-diagnose correctly, without providing them at the very least with the suggestion it might be a mental health issue. That is shocking and horrific especially in light of the self-perpetuating nature of the sickness. That I do understand, to an extent,, as one who experienced not only the emotional devastation of a severe depressive episode, but as well the trauma of having endured and survived that emotional desert and near-death experience. To this day, over 20 years later, those 3 months are seared on my brain.
So too, my heart goes out to those with that double impact of a mental health crisis, triple if you count the trauma of shame and stigma.
Which hopefully this wonderful educational episode will help dispel.
For that service alone Mayim deserves an award. KUDOS. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I wonder what I would have been if severe chronic depression, due to abandonment and sex abuses, that later would give me PTSD, and panic attacks, were not present in my life. At 51, I look back and see nothing I can be proud of. I am barely finishing my BA in Political Science - hopefully, in Spring 2024. It took me twenty years to accomplish this; four suicidal attempts, which I fight daily to avoid de fifth one. Anyhow, I wish I could disconnect myself from this horrible past and enjoy whatever I have ahead in my life. Mental illnesses are debilitating, never blame someone with any mental illness, it’s something we all cannot get rid of, even with the best care and medication around. We can improve, but never get cured of our miserable hurt brain. Be compassionate with your loved ones, that’s the only thing we need - compassion.
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The key to panic attacks is to accept it. When you make it exceptional thing you work it up the key is symptoms are distressing but not dangerous.
There is a hill that I used to have to take to get to the doctor. I found an alternative route, but lately, I have had to go up it because of construction. Going up it is not quite as bad till I get to the top
This was GREAT!
Started having panic attacks 3 months ago when my mother passed away. I've always been a little anxious( control issue) but never had an attack. Globus sensation has been the worst for me which makes it hard to still eat. Going to therapy and dealing with the trauma related to my parent loss. I also have a brain tumor so still trying to figure out if this makes it harder to deal with my emotions.
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I experienced a few panic attacks for the first time last year, and it is very scary if you haven't experienced one. It caused me to take a step back and address anxiety and boundary issues in my life. The mindfulness book "30 Days to Reduce Anxiety" by Harper Daniels helped; so I recommend that short book with Gutman's for a way to build a daily routine for managing anxiety.
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I've been confused about whether or not my excessive sweating, dry mouth, stuttering, out of body feeling--is anxiety attack or panic. Most people I know that have panic attacks usually involves vomiting. I am working with a clinic to begin ketamine therapy so fingers crossed 😊.
have been introduced to having yurashi sessions done lately (shoutout to public german healthcare for making newer techniques of mindbody-care accessible!!) believe it's a japanese gentle-touch type of physical therapy involving these rocking-motions that release tensions in body and mind. to me also seems to mimic a caretaking of inner-toddler needs almost which is why it came to my mind here. beautiful stuff. here's to motherandfather earth 💞
I think my first panic attack was in 8th grade when I had to stand up in front of my class and give a presentation. I remember feeling like I was having an out of body experience like I wasn’t even sure my voice was coming from my own body. It sounded like an echo in my ears, and then .I remember feeling like I was having an out of body experience like I wasn’t even sure my voice was coming from my own body. It sounded like an echo in my ears and then all of a sudden I fainted in front of the whole class and hit my head on the science lab desk, and then fell backwards to the chalkboard on the floor. So embarrassing. Then it happened again in college. Same experience, I had to give a presentation in front of a class and the professor was very intimidating. I felt very hot and was sweating again I couldn’t tell if my voice was even coming from my body it was just an echo I was not present at all it was like I blacked out and then finally it happened again at my sisters wedding, when I was expected to give a speech and I had such a bad panic attack. I had to leave the rehearsal dinner and go outside and have a cigarette with my cousin. There’s something about public speaking but definitely triggers panic attacks. I’ve also felt them during job interviews. And people talking about beta blockers and then wonder if that is something I should try.
Great show. Thank you. Also, not that you asked, but I like the hair bow on you. It suits you!
Knowing all the traumas he was exposed to, professionally, that he tried to just sweep under the "kitty litter" and move on to the next horrific story, it is not surprising that he had so many screams and wails bottled up inside him that needed to get out. And this is after the traumas of childhood that he tried to sweep past (likely only lightly touching on the emotional levels in the counseling he did).
Is there such a thing as a silent panic attack. My best friend will have a racing heart even at a time when she is sitting calmly for awhile. I know it scares her and she has talked to her doctor but they seemed to be unconcerned about it. 😢
I don't get panic attacks but social anxiety affects my memory on the job at times, I relate.
It happens, and it sucks. Precisely, my feelings of loss of self control is it. Zanex fits my need, thankful for science’s research and possibilities to calm and help with coping. 😊
What does it mean when your normal state of mind is like when taking Ayahuasca?
It’s very difficult for me to ground and have a 3D experience.
I have a trauma and CPTSD history and this feeling is very different from my historical dissociative experiences. It feels like healing. It’s just a bit intense and overwhelming.
I’m open to trying anything others have found helpful during these times.
Sending good thoughts your way. That sounds ... idk. Intense? Do you feel like a meditative retreat would be helpful? You came here, indicating a search for wise like-minds, and that sounds like a solid starting point to me. Good luck.
Best of luck to you
I had the same experience after doing self EMDR
Michael Stoyanov Has To Be On The Podcast Along With Glenn Scarpelli At Some Point
So, one thing I didn't seem to hear was that this Panic Attack during the Kolb Bryant crash report caused Matt to fumble and what can seem at that time to be horrifying end of career situation, caused him to take the "bad and humiliating" and turn it into his own life changing journey. It just goes to show that life is a crazy roulette wheel and if you keep playing, things can take a complete turn. Off topic, I don't know how Mayim kept from blushing because he is a very attractive man. Sorry just had to mention. lol
I wonder if he has tried EMDR, it actually works for trauma. I highly recommend it.
I wish i could confirm intergenerational trauma for myself & family of origin. But that family Does Not Talk About Things. There's no hardship stories being handed down and I feel all this weird guilt for being a survivor of all that privlege and still turning out with panic and a host other issues. I'm sure things must have happened even to my grandmother and mother as women but again, the habit passed down is: not talking about that sort of thing and covering it up with cat litter and running away ....is definitely the only evidence that something is amiss.
The last generation in America (the baby boomers) had alot of trauma across the board. From misguided advice from Psycology about child-rearing (the idea of "too much mother love") and people being second generation of immigrant families (immigrating to a new country is a form of trauma). Also, The Great Depression was a serious hardship for many people. I'm sure there are others as well but maybe that helps give you some more clues to your possible history. Gabor Maté has written about generational trauma and has done many interviews as well.
I also feel some form of spirituality or spiritual teachings to complement this process is always helpful - but one needs to find the one path that talks to them. I personally appreciate the Buddhist teachings not as a religion but as helpful teaching that includes work on oneself and also in-depth understanding on ones true nature and also the nature of true reality and how it all works. Chip chip at the wall of trauma - fear - distortions- delusion until the wall of ignorance crumbles and transforms into enlightenment or being awake so to speak.
Are you and Jonathan ok? Why in different places??
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Indeed, generational trauma is real. For American Japanese who were sent to military prisons during the second world war, they inadvertently passed down a code of silence. it wasn't until I read Molly Fumia's Honor Thy Children that I realized that even today, the ghosts of the war continue to haunt subsequent generations. For example, they have to prove that they are good Americans by marrying non-Japanese and having mixed race children. Even though we are now at generation 4 or 5, they are still pressured to not worry their parents and to marry outside their ethnic group. While reading this, I can't but to wonder whether or not generational trauma also affects the people of Japan. They have such a high rate of s**cide, abor****ns and such a low rate of marriage and babies. One can't help but to wonder ....
That can be done via accupuncture/accupressure.
Agree, John, about the timing/opportunity & the body carrying the pain in various areas of the body.
The pit & the water are great analogies. Your explanation as to clearing out significant amounts but there's still more to do.
You did a great job Mayim. Jon, yours was a good one too.
If you get weepy, they hand you a kleenex box & send you to therapy.
Good sound thoughts and expressions re all these healing modalities by Mayim Bialik. Very much needed but also need stewards to protect the process + $$ accessible!!
I’ve never heard or seen this guy before but he’s not bad looking either😀😀he’s clean cut shaven, thank god he shaved, thank the heavens for that and no tattoos showing😀😀 Interesting subject about something I know nothing about!!
I breath IN deep into the belly, through my nose … HOLD 4 counts and exhale hard through my mouth and pull n my belly to help push out the air… , then begin again until a change pings me.
I think the most natural reaction to catastrophic news would be a panic attack.
I understand what this gentleman is saying about suddenly losing it on air, but I really do not know who he is
I get the demand might’ve been under under a good deal of stress, because of his being a news reporter. Yes, I do agree that we are all are conditioned not to distress other people and to be conscious of not hurting other people. But how can I use of psychedelic drugs? Be a solution with all the drugs that are available in this country. They are extremely dangerous.
It is mostly psychological it cane be chemical your prolactin can be high both men and women to induce panic attacks it’s should be more investigated until jumping to conclusions all symptoms should be
The mushroom & transendental stuff was part of the druggies when I was growing up.
It's good that you didn't die during them.
If you're a skeptic, all of this should just be a combination of hallucinations and nonsensical crap. Edit: I don't mean having a panic attack.
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Your tease segment in the beginning is WAY too long; I don't want to hear half of the segment before the show starts. Please limit to a minute.
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OK I do not quite understand so in essence, this man did you some type of drugs, whether it’s from vines in Peru, or wherever it truly is some type of drug therapy. It almost sounds as if he took a trip with LSD. Drugs can give you all sorts of delusions.
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Interesting topic. Do you know what would have been even more interesting, even if off topic? Ask Matt Guttman to explain all he knows about Brittainy Diamond Eugene and Rachel Jeantel. Press him to tell the truth. You will be fascinated, provided he were to tell the truth.
Matt needs to let Jesus into his heart and let Him take his panic away. God bless Matt.
So reiki, shrooms, and toad venom - all interesting and as you mentioned have been mentioned for decades if not centuries. Still - I believe the best landing spot for all those of Jewish and Christian beliefs … is faith in God. HE is the only answer to the God shaped hole. One still would have to practice, pray and participate for a personal relationship with Him. Peace. ❤
Lol...and if that was real people in church wouldn't have so many issues or health problems. Look into it...they all die more than people who don't believe To many believers rely on God to do things instead of themselves taking care of themselves.
As a believer I am prayerfully fighting the instinct to command you, with this simple comment that serves ego alone, to get behind me.
*edit: I will assume you are more likely well-intentioned than controlled by pride ... my bad. We can agree to disagree on the effectiveness of such one-sided, deaf and blind evangelism.
So I have no comment, except to genuinely check myself/my rudeness and request forgiveness for failing to heed the biblical command to keep intra-faith disputes in-house and off public platforms.
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Points for alliteration. 👍
Seems after you left and came back screaming and crying - maybe you went through the birth stuff?
God is for us not against us....not mother earth....I know people use that phrase as not to offend people. But people who are offended by God....are not his and should be very afraid.
Wow! Incredible podcast with Matt Gutman! Let me first say what a pleasure it was to listen to a guest speak eloquently and without a single "umm". His sentences were thoughtful, clear, precise, descriptive and free flowing....harmony to my ears!! So many guests can't seem to speak a coherent sentence and all the "umms" drive me bonkers. Mayim had a particular guest on that dominated the entire podcast with "umms" 😬🤨😬 Matt's journalism background and mastery of the English language is well appreciated by this viewer 😊 His experiences are worth reading about and I will read his book. I'd love to heal with therapy he mentioned that released his pent up primal screams. I believe this therapy should be readily available and dare I say covered by insurance 🫣 It would be great if Mayim's staff could put together a State directory of practitioners for viewers to refer to on her website. Matt, thank you for sharing your experiences!!
I love that Matt shared this. He is a גבר, and with his enormous popularity, he has a great impact to help others accept that our minds are what they are, have the ability that they have. I was a paratrooper combat medic and of course we weren't allowed to be scared or anxious, and so many end up psychically broken. I have the anxiety that is common to our people. I struggled a lot with my internal critic because of this. Though I performed to standard under heavy stressors, I had a burden of psychic stress that I self-medicated with alcohol and high-risk behaviors. I was not the person my loved ones deserved. Only when, through Buddhism and Chasidut and CBT, I learned that I wasn't defective could I start to learn to accept and live companionably with the scared little guy in me. Thank you Matt for sharing this and helping those of us who suffer unknowing. ❤🦫🦫