Dealing with all the members being competitive with each other must have affected Lizzy to act toxic towards others. Saying she had a better figure than Uee and not getting her hype. You can tell her jealousy started showing through overtime.
Being competitive is one thing (although I do not condone that either and am so glad that the majority of groups support one another within Kpop) and being toxic and mean-spirited is another. Lizzy is clearly a very mean person..she has shown that trait for years now, very consistently. Everyone who has worked with her has said she is obnoxious and rude. That is on HER…nobody made her be that way. That is her. People like this unfortunately exist among us. ✌🏻
That instance wasn't really that toxic. When asked who has the best figure in After School she said herself and that she thinks she has a better figure than UEE. She also said she's best friends with UEE in the same conversation. This came after people were criticizing Lizzy for her weight.
@PlayWaves1 Uee was already getting hate for her weight, and Lizzy decided to add more fuel to the fire. She could have remained professional and not self-absorbed. You can see the disgust at other members' faces.
Idk why Raina had to bring up Lizzy's weight out of nowhere on radio just to say she gained weight. Like wtf this group really didn't hide the dislike for each other. They're all so rude. I think Nana and Uee were the only genuine members kind to others. I can see why their careers have survived.
it's kind of ironic because during the t-ara scandal one of the members said something like "we would never do that" but they were mean asf to each other lol
Side Note: I don't if anyone would agree with me here or not, the management of After School as a whole seems every messy and downright destructive to anyone involved in this group. Not only did they feel they had to defend themselves against harmful stereotypes being placed on them, but also they had major jealousy issues or imbalance due popularity and ever changing line-ups. like Pledis really failed this group, but that's my opinion.
Yeah a lot of the issues between members could have easily been fixed if management had focused on them being promoted as a group. How can you form a bond if people just keep rotating through line-ups are are constantly pitted against each other.
Here is a long overdue update on Lizzy or Park Sooah. By some random struck of lightning Lizzy somehow became Koreas favorite punching bag in 2015 because she was "tooo skinny" despite never talking about her diet or trying to capitalize on her weight like other idols. Lots of bone thin idols fly under the radar yet Lizzy happened to catch all the medias attention and that period of hate only destroyed her carrier further. All the After School members have suffered a lot of abuse under Pledis that's been forgotten with most of the 2nd gen eras.
Every once in a while I remember that Pledis is a fucking nightmare and the only reason I do forget that is because their Idols are top tier A listers.
I’m not really a huge fan of SuJu but I vividly remember that I believe Leeteuk was becoming more frustrated during the whole conference is because some of Lizzy’s answers is far from the questions being given by the reporters. I remember someone asked what is something new that they would get to bring to the show (since its a new season), and Lizzy answered somewhere along the line that Pledis is not doing anything with AS hence why she needs to be there. While I get her frustration towards Pledis, I do not think that it is the right time to show her frustration towards the company. Its a press conference with the intend on promoting not only the show, but them as part of the cast. But yeah, that’s really one of the few things I remember watching the recordings of the press conference (i think i also watched it because one of my friends just like the said show).
Let’s stop please. Happy people don’t act so bitter, obviously she’s struggling. I said this a while ago, that the idol industry is already so difficult and I don’t want to risk any chance losing her. Have you seen the amount of changes to her face and body have been going on? Her self image is obviously bad, and her entire life since 18 + time preparing to debut was to be nitpicked and decided who’s superior in everything.. they comment on their knees and elbows and shit .. You don’t know the things she heard about herself, she might not have gotten as much praise as everyone else in the group and more bad stuff said, too.. obviously the attitude is funky and it needs to be checked but let’s also consider her wellbeing
I don't know much about her but she seems to be kind of a reckless person, not only with her reputation and actions, but also her behaviour towards her coworkers and people she was on shows with. I kind of understand why people got fed up with her but at the same time websites really need to start filtering and deleting hate comments because people say some evil and hurtful shit
Idol life just doesn't seem to be for her. Her personality does seem kinda unlikable on TV and she never learned her lesson after a dozen mistakes. Her trashing on her members body while saying she's prettier is next level petty and mean. With her DUI criminal record now I wonder if Pledis did have issues with her coming to work drunk (not saying Pledis isn't a terrible company either). That interview with Leeteuk at 21:49 was just embarrassing.
I'm honestly laughing ironically over the fact that she had the guts to post selfies on Instagram right after she was released from imprisonment. Like girl, what are you doing?? There are some screws loose for sure as she never seems to learn from her past mistakes. Or if she simply refuses to do so. That press conference with Leeteuk... I would be just as fed up as he was, if not even more annoyed by Lizzy's actions. Sadly, there are many people who operate like this. They are stuck in an endless cycle of their ways of going about things, how they react and internalize their own behavior, and how it affects those around them. To them, they subconsciously think that they did nothing wrong. I am definitely not condoning her actions, but after all these years, it's not acceptable. I can see why the Korean public doesn't want to see her again. It's not charming since she has ZERO likability and only continues to lose more respect. She needs to fix her act and make a better life for herself.
After School was my first ever group. Lizzy my first ever bias. I absolutely loved her sarcastic and sinister side, it felt real and I appreciated that. however, you could easily tell that AS has never been more than co-workers. And I think that was a big reason why after school never really hit it off. with oc you could tell that the three of them were at least somewhat close. even now, they can never get together, all 11 of them, it seems impossible. I feel like Lizzy always had to compete with others. that whole satoori thing with eunji seemed extremely forced. it wouldn't surprise me if pledis egged her on with that tbh. The surgery she had done has always been...... obvious. her nose and her jawline looked super different 2 years into her career. I don't know why she lied about it, but probably to receive the backlash and attention that she craved. I was very disappointed when she was booked for dui, but at least she did her time in prison and is now back and seems a little more optimistic about life than she used to be... I hope she stays away from alcohol though....
@@theinvisiblegirl2501 I believe it since it was a guy that wrote it and most AS fans were male. Men complained so fkn much after Hanni, Hyosung and Arin lost weight.
@@epmeats I get it but this is South Korea we’re talking about… To them, healthy looking body is just a curvy BMI 16-17 figure with some exceptions. Idols who are normal bmi’s get shamed by everyone.
you're a real one for continually updating these videos - definitely watched this in 2019 so the drunk driving update caught me completely by surprise lol
So far I've only heard horror stories about Pledis but Lizzy doesn't sound like she's easy to work with either. She sounds like a nightmare of a coworker/employee which is why she has such a hard time getting work in the industry. Words spread fast in the entertainment industry and she isn't big enough of a star to act like that. They'd rather hire someone who doesn't rock the boat
As someone who struggle with Ed, your videos are helpful to me, thank you also for spreading healthy way to weight and also don't only posts about it but about others as well! And can you do also Wonyoung or Liz? Wonyo looks so thin and Liz get bodyshame for normal and healthy weight
I think they said they won't do Wonyoung because she herself barely mentioned her weight or dieting at all. And also possibly because it would be a very polarizing video. A lot of fans of her would say a video like that is hate towards Wonyoung.
@@Hannah-vt7lc Yeah, so because Wonyoung hasn't mentioned much, it wouldn't be smart for OP to make a full-length video based on rumours & assumptions. The main reason why she takes so long to upload videos is because of the amount of research it takes to make an accurate video.
@Ella Lloyd🥥 Sadly it's because more often than not "concern" is used as an excuse to be hateful, also there is this romanticization on eating disorder and fans for some reason love to dramatize any weight loss and act like every idol is starving themselves and in the brink of death (I'm thinking, Lisa, Rosé, Somi)
Unfortunately she was a product of her environment. Her toxic work environment, label & colleges pushed her to act insufferable. Hurt people hurt people.
i just think about the number of kpop groups that lost popularity and fell under during this time that easily could have survived if kpop had the reach then that it has now. i regularly listen to orange caramel, and catallena is still so immensely popular among korean AND international fans.
She was too young, mentally wise, for that industry back then . Nowadays idols are very young I know but the industry is also different . Back then I remember everything was tougher and idols were pitted against each other, and women were much more sexuallized. I used to like after school a lot but the behavior of the members to each other made me really uncomfortable here and there and I kind of stopped eventually . I liked Lizzy as an Idol but the industry brought the bad out of her
I can't believe they found Lizzy's comments tasteless, but imo I think the question alone was the most tasteless thing in that clip. These talk shows are so sleazy, the hosts always ask stupid or inappropriate questions. Lizzy should have known better than to respond that way too.
Orange Caramel was my first kpop group and to me Nana is still the number one visual of kpop. Back then I only listened to their songs but was never truly invested in any of their other activities. I honestly get why she was not very much liked in Korea. She made a lot of shallow and questionable statements. I feel like this is also due to her debuting as a minor. A lot of kpop idols so not to really mature and are kinda stuck in a bubble. With her personality I also dont think that she was fit to be an idol. Idols in korea have a specific image that they portray
OK, but there are a lot of minors debuted that are mature. I feel like this has a lot to do with Pledis management. Their management was completely messy. They may have encouraged jealousy and competition between them.
Just had an idea! Would you like to make a Video about Stray Kids' Changbin? He used to be pretty skinny back in 2018 but build his body up in the gym. I know your usual content is more about weight loss but I thought a video about him would also serve as a motivation for others to have a healthy body and build themselves up. Especially for those struggling with that. Love your videos! Have a great day
First Love is one of my most favorite kpop songs. This whole thing is actually pretty sad. But I think most kpop groups struggle with this- while they are a group, their actual success is very individual. It's nice to imagine they're all friends and family but that won't pay the bills if something happens. Most kpop groups probably just see other as collegues or acquaintances but that's about it, there will always be rivalry..
I understand why people don't like her (insulting others/ drunk driving), but hate is too much. I don't follow celebrities I dislike and explain why others shouldn't like them. And all of the men were okay insulting these women. Their careers didn't suffer like hers did
That's the problem with Kpop then & nowadays. You don't have to like every idol or group in the industry. In the same way that you can have favourites, there can also be those you don't vibe with, for various reasons. That's okay. That's human nature. It becomes a problem when, instead simply unstanning the person & going about your day, many people go out of their way to hate on them & be vile every chance they can get. We have seen it with Wonyoung, Garam, Sulli, Woojin, Lucas,etc... It's really annoying & despite many people having spoken out against it, fans will never stop.
I feel awful for the members of After School. 😢 All of these ladies were talented, beautiful, and deserving of so much more than they were given by Pledis (media + fans also). They were shamed for being “fat/thick”, shamed for being “way to skinny”, shamed for being “ugly/not pretty enough”, etcetc. Literally all of them were punching bags for the longest damn time and it’s infuriating to think about. Variety shows also liked to pit them against each other, all while editing segments to make it look like they hated each other (hate is a strong word imo). I can’t lie and say that I would come out mentally sane after being subjected to all of this. A few of the members have spoken out about the permanent damage the industry has caused them, while others are more quiet about the demons they face. As for Lizzie’s DUI, I wholeheartedly believe she should be given a second chance. This is coming from someone that has a history with drunk drivers. My mom and I were run off the road by a drunk trucker back in 09’ and the memory haunts me still… but the reason I say she deserves a second chance is that she obviously needs help with whatever she’s fighting mentally. I was diagnosed with depression and an anxiety disorder WHILE I was in middle school. I’m fixing to enter my 30’s this October so these are illness’s I’ve dealt with for half of my life it feels. And yes I turned to alcohol at one point to cope when things got bad (luckily never tried to drive while intoxicated but still). 😔 It’s not something I’m proud of but thankfully I had a support system to point me towards therapy. I’m no longer that miserable and scared person who just let things build up and fester. I dunno, I guess I see some of myself in Lizzie I guess. This industry has already claimed one to many from us.. I don’t want to see anymore go down a path of self destruction and I pray she gets the help she needs.
She was so beautiful before. The industry really ruined her self confidence and made her go overboard with the surgery 😔 The way she "joked" about getting more ps bc they called her ugly is wrong
considering she held an ig live just a few weeks before her trial trying to throw herself a pity party... i kinda doubt it. but that's just me since i didn't hear of her ever since
She fucked up a few times on TV however it's pretty obvious that as soon as a woman -especially in korea- is being blunt and honest she's painted in a bad light. I'm pretty sure her personnality wouldn't have been such a problem in Europe or in the US, this just goes to show how bad misogyny is for her to get hate over this.
coming from a woman, i totally agree that misogyny and double standards contribute to the irrational hate that female celebs receive. however, lizzy just seems like a case of a person who just has an unlikable personality. i dont know much about her but just from watching this video alone, she just comes off as abrasive and rude rather than blunt and honest. like discussing her own members' bodies and saying hers is better, saying she's the original idol with a busan dialect, etc. is not really something related to just being blunt or honest? and u say that her personality would probably be taken in a better light in europe or the usa but i would disagree. in the west, it's even more socially unacceptable to talk about weight specifically and in general speak about and to people like that. idk, she definitely deserved better than how pledis treated her and definitely did not deserve to be hated on but she just doesnt seem to have a personality that is compatible with being a celebrity. that's just my 2 cents though.
@CHELSEA yeah I was thinking about her honesty on her career and how she felt. This sarcasm/ cynicism would definitely find success in France at least, we've had multiple artists, comedians etc Play a highly unlikeable personna. Regarding her comments on other members it definitely wouldn't fly in most places. Though I understand the sense of urgency and insecurity she must have felt in the poor work environment she was but it's still wrong to put other women down, furthermore this behaviour is rooted in internalised misogyny. Honestly I can only have empathy for her
I was thinking just that, i think she would do well in the us especially since people like tiffany pollard and the real housewives are loved and memed to death
@@eunhashoe1907 oh please, if anybody else made comments like that u would cancel them in 2 seconds. Empathy? She’s an asshole with a criminal record, stop
@rebecca you don't know me, don't assume we're the same, with the same opinion and behavior. I should have been clearer on the fact that I have empathy for the sense of insecurity she must have felt her whole career for her to be this desperate for attention, I still don't condone her comments on her co-workers nor the crime she committed but that still doesn't change the fact I am capable of finding empathy and seeing people as grey rather than black or white, good or bad
You know, rewatching this made me think of how ridiculous and biased Wonyoung haters are. I know i shouldn't bring her into this, but her haters do the same thing even when it doesn't matter. So i can help to feel slightly justify for doing the same. Anyways, they call Wonyoung a pick me girl for essentially doing her job without putting others down. But Lizzy has been shady to almost every females idols that she has seen as a threat or competition. And most of the time, it was going after something that would make them popular with males viewers. It either was their body, their youthfulness, or their cute quirks. And I haven't seen the same amount of hate against her as with Wonyoung. And this is not me wanting her to get bullied, too. It just the hypocrisy and double standard i am seeing right now.
That's why people like to joke 4th gen fans would have a heart attack if they were confronted with 2nd gen idols😅. I wasn't in Kpop at that time, but the stories you hear from that era are so wild sometimes.
Lizzy was blunt. She broke the fourth wall a bit for the reality of KPop. They should have just let her live and have her acting jobs as an animal fortune teller and let her get some genuine laughs about the reality. Pledis, male netizens, and Leeteuk got to have the final say on her and her career. It was a disgusting ride and the only victim and survivor was Lizzy. They never once just let her be. And she was the best singer and dancer and model of the group.
Question, is your Patreon still available? I was subscribed to it but I remember it being deleted around the same time the pand*mic started. Is there a financial way to support your channel?
i have a video idea for a more positive video- if there is enough footage and info that is...... le sserafims healthy body image workout and diet!! all le sserafim members love working out and emphasize healthy eating and building up muscle over dieting alone (they have even voiced their opposition to dieting to their managers etc. when heavily coerced to do it) in general the "trend" in kpop rn seems to be muscle gain over pure starvation to achieve a thin body that is also strong (example: wendy, le sserafim, several bg members like nct johnny, changbin, bm)
@@Nonyah123 maybe it could be a shorter video, ntm i was kind of going for looking at this "trend" as a whole, the pipeline to muscularity and fitness from extreme skinniness
I've been lowkey interested in afterschool for about 2 years now and wanted to start binging any variety content they had that remained on youtube, but damn did this video make me kinda wary 💀 Never knew they were so toxic to each other, and ofc kpop in a whole is a business and at the end of the day it's about money; but this kinda hurt ngl. Maybe it's because most groups do genuinely become close with each other throughout their careers, and it's a natural thing when you've been training together for so long. The only other group that I could think of that had the same attitude was t-ara. And, as always, fuck pledis 💕
This was so long ago but when she was still active in variety they were talking about how each member got in. Nana was scouted as a model and both Raina and Lizzy got in via audition. Lizzy however didn’t passed the audition initially but insisted she knew how to sing and kept on singing to the point where the judges had to pass her just to get her to stop.
Can u do seungeun from BVNDIT? She used to be super duper skinny and now she seems to have gained weight and no one is talking about it. idk if it’s for health reasons or she was ⭐️ving herself before; I always thought she was the naturally skinny type when I first saw her at their debut.
I’m sorry but she was never in the wrong for the majority of it. The criticism and the backlash she receives just seems very shallow and misogynistic. Also who cares if she hates / dislikes her fellow members? I bet you many idols are also like that, but they aren’t honest like Lizzy. It’s sad how easy a woman career can be spit out like that. Daesung from Big Bang, Nichkhun from 2PM can get away from DUI and Lizzy is always being remembered for that? Give me a break
hi, could you make jisoo's weight gain again, i think lately she is in a yo-to effect, she exercise very much, became thin e suddenly she gain all it back after a couple of days
Hello 👋🏼🙂, I don’t know if you read requests 😮… but ¿could you please do a video about SEVENTEEN Jun 😮? Since I knew that for his solo “LIMBO” had only 6% of body fat 😮😨 and now for his next solo “PSYCHO” I saw that he is still slim 😮; I know and feel that he eats healthy and taking care of what he eats and exercise 😮, but I started to feel worry for him 😢…
plz do a video on minnie and yuqi from gidel they both lost alot of weight and thwy were looking very slim during tomboy era. Thnak u btw i love ur video 😊
Dealing with all the members being competitive with each other must have affected Lizzy to act toxic towards others. Saying she had a better figure than Uee and not getting her hype. You can tell her jealousy started showing through overtime.
Being competitive is one thing (although I do not condone that either and am so glad that the majority of groups support one another within Kpop) and being toxic and mean-spirited is another. Lizzy is clearly a very mean person..she has shown that trait for years now, very consistently. Everyone who has worked with her has said she is obnoxious and rude. That is on HER…nobody made her be that way. That is her. People like this unfortunately exist among us. ✌🏻
That instance wasn't really that toxic. When asked who has the best figure in After School she said herself and that she thinks she has a better figure than UEE. She also said she's best friends with UEE in the same conversation. This came after people were criticizing Lizzy for her weight.
@PlayWaves1 Uee was already getting hate for her weight, and Lizzy decided to add more fuel to the fire. She could have remained professional and not self-absorbed. You can see the disgust at other members' faces.
Idk why Raina had to bring up Lizzy's weight out of nowhere on radio just to say she gained weight. Like wtf this group really didn't hide the dislike for each other. They're all so rude.
I think Nana and Uee were the only genuine members kind to others. I can see why their careers have survived.
i totally agree
I agree, I love After School but the members don't get along lol
it's kind of ironic because during the t-ara scandal one of the members said something like "we would never do that" but they were mean asf to each other lol
@@margaretofscotland4707 It was mainly Hwayoung that was the problem
After watching this video Lizzy seemed like a such a nasty person. Imagine having to share dorms and see such a person every day.
i don't like Leetuk but that interview was so funny he kept trying to save her and she just kept going LMAO
Slight correction: her sentence was reduced to a fine a month later, she never actually went to prison.
That's a huge correction tbh
Side Note: I don't if anyone would agree with me here or not, the management of After School as a whole seems every messy and downright destructive to anyone involved in this group. Not only did they feel they had to defend themselves against harmful stereotypes being placed on them, but also they had major jealousy issues or imbalance due popularity and ever changing line-ups. like Pledis really failed this group, but that's my opinion.
Yeah a lot of the issues between members could have easily been fixed if management had focused on them being promoted as a group. How can you form a bond if people just keep rotating through line-ups are are constantly pitted against each other.
Their case reminds me of fifth harmony. Their management took advantage of them and literally pitted the girls against each other.
Here is a long overdue update on Lizzy or Park Sooah. By some random struck of lightning Lizzy somehow became Koreas favorite punching bag in 2015 because she was "tooo skinny" despite never talking about her diet or trying to capitalize on her weight like other idols. Lots of bone thin idols fly under the radar yet Lizzy happened to catch all the medias attention and that period of hate only destroyed her carrier further. All the After School members have suffered a lot of abuse under Pledis that's been forgotten with most of the 2nd gen eras.
Can u do Nana next??
Thank you for your hard work flower girl :)
Can you do bts Jin please
Pls do seungkwan
Every once in a while I remember that Pledis is a fucking nightmare and the only reason I do forget that is because their Idols are top tier A listers.
I’m not really a huge fan of SuJu but I vividly remember that I believe Leeteuk was becoming more frustrated during the whole conference is because some of Lizzy’s answers is far from the questions being given by the reporters. I remember someone asked what is something new that they would get to bring to the show (since its a new season), and Lizzy answered somewhere along the line that Pledis is not doing anything with AS hence why she needs to be there. While I get her frustration towards Pledis, I do not think that it is the right time to show her frustration towards the company. Its a press conference with the intend on promoting not only the show, but them as part of the cast. But yeah, that’s really one of the few things I remember watching the recordings of the press conference (i think i also watched it because one of my friends just like the said show).
The irony of how Lizzy tried so hard to tear down Eunji and uee. They became superstars while Lizzy became a has been with criminal record.
She was jelous
Let’s stop please. Happy people don’t act so bitter, obviously she’s struggling. I said this a while ago, that the idol industry is already so difficult and I don’t want to risk any chance losing her. Have you seen the amount of changes to her face and body have been going on? Her self image is obviously bad, and her entire life since 18 + time preparing to debut was to be nitpicked and decided who’s superior in everything.. they comment on their knees and elbows and shit .. You don’t know the things she heard about herself, she might not have gotten as much praise as everyone else in the group and more bad stuff said, too.. obviously the attitude is funky and it needs to be checked but let’s also consider her wellbeing
If you don’t think that every one of those girls including Lizzy is a victim then congrats you have successfully been brainwashed by the media
thats why she tried to tear them down actually. the jealousy was real. i hope she is better now mentally
I don't know much about her but she seems to be kind of a reckless person, not only with her reputation and actions, but also her behaviour towards her coworkers and people she was on shows with. I kind of understand why people got fed up with her but at the same time websites really need to start filtering and deleting hate comments because people say some evil and hurtful shit
The way Leeteuk tried to stop her and she kept going tho 😭 really showed her character by the end of the video
Idol life just doesn't seem to be for her. Her personality does seem kinda unlikable on TV and she never learned her lesson after a dozen mistakes. Her trashing on her members body while saying she's prettier is next level petty and mean. With her DUI criminal record now I wonder if Pledis did have issues with her coming to work drunk (not saying Pledis isn't a terrible company either). That interview with Leeteuk at 21:49 was just embarrassing.
I'm honestly laughing ironically over the fact that she had the guts to post selfies on Instagram right after she was released from imprisonment. Like girl, what are you doing?? There are some screws loose for sure as she never seems to learn from her past mistakes. Or if she simply refuses to do so. That press conference with Leeteuk... I would be just as fed up as he was, if not even more annoyed by Lizzy's actions.
Sadly, there are many people who operate like this. They are stuck in an endless cycle of their ways of going about things, how they react and internalize their own behavior, and how it affects those around them. To them, they subconsciously think that they did nothing wrong. I am definitely not condoning her actions, but after all these years, it's not acceptable. I can see why the Korean public doesn't want to see her again. It's not charming since she has ZERO likability and only continues to lose more respect. She needs to fix her act and make a better life for herself.
No kpop needs more messy idols
@@boobysr LMAO yea i agree. aside from the DUI and bodyshaming, the dumb & blunt things she would say was kinda hilarious and entertaining
Idk she seems funny. Kpop idols are often too lovely and perfect to me, even the ones I really like.
@@br3akstuff If you think body shaming others to lift yourself up and drunk driving is funny you're messed up.
After School was my first ever group. Lizzy my first ever bias. I absolutely loved her sarcastic and sinister side, it felt real and I appreciated that. however, you could easily tell that AS has never been more than co-workers. And I think that was a big reason why after school never really hit it off. with oc you could tell that the three of them were at least somewhat close. even now, they can never get together, all 11 of them, it seems impossible.
I feel like Lizzy always had to compete with others. that whole satoori thing with eunji seemed extremely forced. it wouldn't surprise me if pledis egged her on with that tbh.
The surgery she had done has always been...... obvious. her nose and her jawline looked super different 2 years into her career. I don't know why she lied about it, but probably to receive the backlash and attention that she craved.
I was very disappointed when she was booked for dui, but at least she did her time in prison and is now back and seems a little more optimistic about life than she used to be... I hope she stays away from alcohol though....
"We like healthy looking bodies" HA... The audacity.
What liars
right
in reality people who say this just mean that skinny=healthy to them. in reality someone being thin at one point in time was a sign of malnourishment.
@@theinvisiblegirl2501 I believe it since it was a guy that wrote it and most AS fans were male. Men complained so fkn much after Hanni, Hyosung and Arin lost weight.
@@epmeats I get it but this is South Korea we’re talking about… To them, healthy looking body is just a curvy BMI 16-17 figure with some exceptions. Idols who are normal bmi’s get shamed by everyone.
you're a real one for continually updating these videos - definitely watched this in 2019 so the drunk driving update caught me completely by surprise lol
i miss your videossssss :( hope you're okay!!
She was called old at 20😭
right like tf...
GIRL WHAT 😭
So far I've only heard horror stories about Pledis but Lizzy doesn't sound like she's easy to work with either. She sounds like a nightmare of a coworker/employee which is why she has such a hard time getting work in the industry. Words spread fast in the entertainment industry and she isn't big enough of a star to act like that. They'd rather hire someone who doesn't rock the boat
As someone who struggle with Ed, your videos are helpful to me, thank you also for spreading healthy way to weight and also don't only posts about it but about others as well! And can you do also Wonyoung or Liz? Wonyo looks so thin and Liz get bodyshame for normal and healthy weight
I know right
I think they said they won't do Wonyoung because she herself barely mentioned her weight or dieting at all. And also possibly because it would be a very polarizing video. A lot of fans of her would say a video like that is hate towards Wonyoung.
@@Hannah-vt7lc Yeah, so because Wonyoung hasn't mentioned much, it wouldn't be smart for OP to make a full-length video based on rumours & assumptions. The main reason why she takes so long to upload videos is because of the amount of research it takes to make an accurate video.
@@Hannah-vt7lc yeah a lot of fans seem to think that concern = bodyshaming
@Ella Lloyd🥥 Sadly it's because more often than not "concern" is used as an excuse to be hateful, also there is this romanticization on eating disorder and fans for some reason love to dramatize any weight loss and act like every idol is starving themselves and in the brink of death (I'm thinking, Lisa, Rosé, Somi)
Unfortunately she was a product of her environment. Her toxic work environment, label & colleges pushed her to act insufferable. Hurt people hurt people.
i just think about the number of kpop groups that lost popularity and fell under during this time that easily could have survived if kpop had the reach then that it has now. i regularly listen to orange caramel, and catallena is still so immensely popular among korean AND international fans.
I just want to add that she never actually went to prison she just got a fine of 15 million won
She was too young, mentally wise, for that industry back then . Nowadays idols are very young I know but the industry is also different . Back then I remember everything was tougher and idols were pitted against each other, and women were much more sexuallized. I used to like after school a lot but the behavior of the members to each other made me really uncomfortable here and there and I kind of stopped eventually . I liked Lizzy as an Idol but the industry brought the bad out of her
I can't believe they found Lizzy's comments tasteless, but imo I think the question alone was the most tasteless thing in that clip. These talk shows are so sleazy, the hosts always ask stupid or inappropriate questions. Lizzy should have known better than to respond that way too.
Orange Caramel was my first kpop group and to me Nana is still the number one visual of kpop. Back then I only listened to their songs but was never truly invested in any of their other activities.
I honestly get why she was not very much liked in Korea. She made a lot of shallow and questionable statements. I feel like this is also due to her debuting as a minor. A lot of kpop idols so not to really mature and are kinda stuck in a bubble.
With her personality I also dont think that she was fit to be an idol. Idols in korea have a specific image that they portray
OK, but there are a lot of minors debuted that are mature. I feel like this has a lot to do with Pledis management. Their management was completely messy. They may have encouraged jealousy and competition between them.
I miss this channel! 😭
Well that escalated
Just had an idea! Would you like to make a Video about Stray Kids' Changbin? He used to be pretty skinny back in 2018 but build his body up in the gym. I know your usual content is more about weight loss but I thought a video about him would also serve as a motivation for others to have a healthy body and build themselves up. Especially for those struggling with that.
Love your videos! Have a great day
First Love is one of my most favorite kpop songs. This whole thing is actually pretty sad. But I think most kpop groups struggle with this- while they are a group, their actual success is very individual. It's nice to imagine they're all friends and family but that won't pay the bills if something happens. Most kpop groups probably just see other as collegues or acquaintances but that's about it, there will always be rivalry..
She changed a lot for sure, I can barely recognize her anymore.
I think it's best she stays out of the industry for her own sanity
Of course pledis is behind this
All these things aside Pledis really can't manage a girl group 😭
I understand why people don't like her (insulting others/ drunk driving), but hate is too much. I don't follow celebrities I dislike and explain why others shouldn't like them.
And all of the men were okay insulting these women. Their careers didn't suffer like hers did
I dislike her but I could never write hate posts about her.
That's the problem with Kpop then & nowadays. You don't have to like every idol or group in the industry. In the same way that you can have favourites, there can also be those you don't vibe with, for various reasons. That's okay. That's human nature. It becomes a problem when, instead simply unstanning the person & going about your day, many people go out of their way to hate on them & be vile every chance they can get. We have seen it with Wonyoung, Garam, Sulli, Woojin, Lucas,etc... It's really annoying & despite many people having spoken out against it, fans will never stop.
I feel awful for the members of After School. 😢 All of these ladies were talented, beautiful, and deserving of so much more than they were given by Pledis (media + fans also). They were shamed for being “fat/thick”, shamed for being “way to skinny”, shamed for being “ugly/not pretty enough”, etcetc. Literally all of them were punching bags for the longest damn time and it’s infuriating to think about. Variety shows also liked to pit them against each other, all while editing segments to make it look like they hated each other (hate is a strong word imo). I can’t lie and say that I would come out mentally sane after being subjected to all of this. A few of the members have spoken out about the permanent damage the industry has caused them, while others are more quiet about the demons they face.
As for Lizzie’s DUI, I wholeheartedly believe she should be given a second chance. This is coming from someone that has a history with drunk drivers. My mom and I were run off the road by a drunk trucker back in 09’ and the memory haunts me still… but the reason I say she deserves a second chance is that she obviously needs help with whatever she’s fighting mentally. I was diagnosed with depression and an anxiety disorder WHILE I was in middle school. I’m fixing to enter my 30’s this October so these are illness’s I’ve dealt with for half of my life it feels. And yes I turned to alcohol at one point to cope when things got bad (luckily never tried to drive while intoxicated but still). 😔 It’s not something I’m proud of but thankfully I had a support system to point me towards therapy. I’m no longer that miserable and scared person who just let things build up and fester. I dunno, I guess I see some of myself in Lizzie I guess. This industry has already claimed one to many from us.. I don’t want to see anymore go down a path of self destruction and I pray she gets the help she needs.
What a sad story
She was so beautiful before. The industry really ruined her self confidence and made her go overboard with the surgery 😔 The way she "joked" about getting more ps bc they called her ugly is wrong
Thank you so much for the vid and your hard work as always! 🙏🏻💕
Fantastic video like always. I get really happy when I see the notification for your videos. Can't wait for the next one
Honestly I feel bad for her her story is so sad being treated like that so young (but some of the things she does this is not acceptable)
i just hope she got help for her alcoholism.
hopefully her DUI can be a saving grace for her. maybe the idol life wasn’t for her, and she can just live a healthy, normal life?
considering she held an ig live just a few weeks before her trial trying to throw herself a pity party... i kinda doubt it. but that's just me since i didn't hear of her ever since
I miss After School 😢
I miss 2nd generation 😢
She fucked up a few times on TV however it's pretty obvious that as soon as a woman -especially in korea- is being blunt and honest she's painted in a bad light. I'm pretty sure her personnality wouldn't have been such a problem in Europe or in the US, this just goes to show how bad misogyny is for her to get hate over this.
coming from a woman, i totally agree that misogyny and double standards contribute to the irrational hate that female celebs receive. however, lizzy just seems like a case of a person who just has an unlikable personality. i dont know much about her but just from watching this video alone, she just comes off as abrasive and rude rather than blunt and honest. like discussing her own members' bodies and saying hers is better, saying she's the original idol with a busan dialect, etc. is not really something related to just being blunt or honest? and u say that her personality would probably be taken in a better light in europe or the usa but i would disagree. in the west, it's even more socially unacceptable to talk about weight specifically and in general speak about and to people like that. idk, she definitely deserved better than how pledis treated her and definitely did not deserve to be hated on but she just doesnt seem to have a personality that is compatible with being a celebrity. that's just my 2 cents though.
@CHELSEA yeah I was thinking about her honesty on her career and how she felt. This sarcasm/ cynicism would definitely find success in France at least, we've had multiple artists, comedians etc Play a highly unlikeable personna. Regarding her comments on other members it definitely wouldn't fly in most places. Though I understand the sense of urgency and insecurity she must have felt in the poor work environment she was but it's still wrong to put other women down, furthermore this behaviour is rooted in internalised misogyny. Honestly I can only have empathy for her
I was thinking just that, i think she would do well in the us especially since people like tiffany pollard and the real housewives are loved and memed to death
@@eunhashoe1907 oh please, if anybody else made comments like that u would cancel them in 2 seconds. Empathy? She’s an asshole with a criminal record, stop
@rebecca you don't know me, don't assume we're the same, with the same opinion and behavior. I should have been clearer on the fact that I have empathy for the sense of insecurity she must have felt her whole career for her to be this desperate for attention, I still don't condone her comments on her co-workers nor the crime she committed but that still doesn't change the fact I am capable of finding empathy and seeing people as grey rather than black or white, good or bad
You know, rewatching this made me think of how ridiculous and biased Wonyoung haters are. I know i shouldn't bring her into this, but her haters do the same thing even when it doesn't matter. So i can help to feel slightly justify for doing the same. Anyways, they call Wonyoung a pick me girl for essentially doing her job without putting others down. But Lizzy has been shady to almost every females idols that she has seen as a threat or competition. And most of the time, it was going after something that would make them popular with males viewers. It either was their body, their youthfulness, or their cute quirks. And I haven't seen the same amount of hate against her as with Wonyoung. And this is not me wanting her to get bullied, too. It just the hypocrisy and double standard i am seeing right now.
That's why people like to joke 4th gen fans would have a heart attack if they were confronted with 2nd gen idols😅. I wasn't in Kpop at that time, but the stories you hear from that era are so wild sometimes.
Double standards comparing idols one decade apart....okay.
K-Pop fans are very brutal, they will not leave out small details to bring down other idols.
I’m sorry but she’s actually so funny 😭
Lizzy was blunt. She broke the fourth wall a bit for the reality of KPop. They should have just let her live and have her acting jobs as an animal fortune teller and let her get some genuine laughs about the reality. Pledis, male netizens, and Leeteuk got to have the final say on her and her career. It was a disgusting ride and the only victim and survivor was Lizzy. They never once just let her be. And she was the best singer and dancer and model of the group.
The bloodthirsty attitude of netizens will never cease to amaze me
Can you do Babysoul from Lovelyz? She is quite worrying, I think.
Question, is your Patreon still available? I was subscribed to it but I remember it being deleted around the same time the pand*mic started. Is there a financial way to support your channel?
i have a video idea for a more positive video- if there is enough footage and info that is...... le sserafims healthy body image workout and diet!!
all le sserafim members love working out and emphasize healthy eating and building up muscle over dieting alone (they have even voiced their opposition to dieting to their managers etc. when heavily coerced to do it)
in general the "trend" in kpop rn seems to be muscle gain over pure starvation to achieve a thin body that is also strong (example: wendy, le sserafim, several bg members like nct johnny, changbin, bm)
Too early to say that, we don’t know what they do behind the scenes
@@Nonyah123 maybe it could be a shorter video, ntm i was kind of going for looking at this "trend" as a whole, the pipeline to muscularity and fitness from extreme skinniness
Pls do seungkwan or eunji next
I've been lowkey interested in afterschool for about 2 years now and wanted to start binging any variety content they had that remained on youtube, but damn did this video make me kinda wary 💀 Never knew they were so toxic to each other, and ofc kpop in a whole is a business and at the end of the day it's about money; but this kinda hurt ngl. Maybe it's because most groups do genuinely become close with each other throughout their careers, and it's a natural thing when you've been training together for so long. The only other group that I could think of that had the same attitude was t-ara. And, as always, fuck pledis 💕
I had no idea she went to prison for a year, that's a lot.
Such an informative video as always. Can you do one on Park Bom? It's not that I'm hating on her, but these videos help me to understand what goes on!
I’m glad Kpop shows have changed, it’s not every Tuesday you see hosts from 4th gen shaming idols on their body
It's because the cancel culture is strong now.
Do y’all remember her audition story? She basically ‘forced’ her way in 🤣
Do tell.
really
Can you tell me the story pls?
This was so long ago but when she was still active in variety they were talking about how each member got in. Nana was scouted as a model and both Raina and Lizzy got in via audition. Lizzy however didn’t passed the audition initially but insisted she knew how to sing and kept on singing to the point where the judges had to pass her just to get her to stop.
@@altaircain Wow so she didnt deserve to be an idol initially
I went back and watched Uee’s video. I guess the AS girls really weren’t feeling supportive of each other😑
Can u do seungeun from BVNDIT? She used to be super duper skinny and now she seems to have gained weight and no one is talking about it. idk if it’s for health reasons or she was ⭐️ving herself before; I always thought she was the naturally skinny type when I first saw her at their debut.
I’m sorry but she was never in the wrong for the majority of it. The criticism and the backlash she receives just seems very shallow and misogynistic.
Also who cares if she hates / dislikes her fellow members? I bet you many idols are also like that, but they aren’t honest like Lizzy.
It’s sad how easy a woman career can be spit out like that. Daesung from Big Bang, Nichkhun from 2PM can get away from DUI and Lizzy is always being remembered for that? Give me a break
Ikr? Bom from 2ne1 career suffered from the drug scandal, but BigBang didn't. Misogyny is real in kpop.
can u do a video on nayoung of lightsum? she looks alarming thin as of late, and she has a lot of career experience from pd48.
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i dont know if u take requests but it would be interesting if u made a video about txt yeonjun's weight loss over the years
can you do liz and wonyoung from ive?
lizzy looks to me like yuqi from gidle
pls do loona yeojin from loossemble
Queen i forgive her
Drunk driving is unacceptable, i feel for her and her story but thats so selfish
hi, could you make jisoo's weight gain again, i think lately she is in a yo-to effect, she exercise very much, became thin e suddenly she gain all it back after a couple of days
If you mean Jisoo from blackpink 😮, this channel already made a video about her…
@@melzam7420 they sometimes update or make a part two but imo i thinks it's too soon 🤔
She's my sister of that time.
Can you do another male idol or maybe someone from Twice/updated version of Itzy
She’s problematic herself
so the dude told Lizzy to stop being unprofessional but starts flamming her on tv? I guess he would know; what a clown🙄
worst co-worker ever lmao
Hello 👋🏼🙂, I don’t know if you read requests 😮… but ¿could you please do a video about SEVENTEEN Jun 😮?
Since I knew that for his solo “LIMBO” had only 6% of body fat 😮😨 and now for his next solo “PSYCHO” I saw that he is still slim 😮; I know and feel that he eats healthy and taking care of what he eats and exercise 😮, but I started to feel worry for him 😢…
Thats lizzy? Wow
Please make a video on joy
plz do a video on minnie and yuqi from gidel they both lost alot of weight and thwy were looking very slim during tomboy era. Thnak u btw i love ur video 😊
Please post joy video next
Can you do jungyeon from twice?
Hey!! Can you please do a video of Tzuyu from Twice??
Yikes... she should be afraid of the consequences.
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Wait...she was jealous of another idol for having the same accent???
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I kinda think so cuz she was known for this and had the spot which someone stole it to her, i also think the evil editing has something to do
I think she is just a petty person. She literally made a big deal about the maknae position.
Leeteuk you tried you're best lmao 🫂