I love that this film is not just just a Kodak/Fuji look-alike. As an artist I love the unpredictability. It is like surfing a wave. Sometimes it gives you joy, and sometimes it just dumps you in the water. My biggest worry is that Harmon/Ilford will replace this with a more "true to life" version that is very predictable, and then there will be no reason to choose it other than price. This film, on the other hand gives plenty of reason to choose it as a creative tool, much like choosing a Lomography film. Not so much true to life, as creative and stylized. Kodak and Fuji are bland, and unexciting in comparison. Phoenix is much more a roller coaster, with, as I would expect, results that range from blah to wonderful. You cannot cook something delicious without having the stove hot enough to burn the fingers :) I see lots of burnt fingers, but I also see some deliciousness.
The company itself (in a video interview) says the film is really 123 ISO. So closer to 100 than 200. I am shooting at +2/3 right now, still need to develop the roll and see. Trying it for the first time and after 25 years of not shooting film. Super excited regardless of what happens.
Thank you so much for this video. It made me understand why my scans had that hard colour crush. I was beginning to think my light meter was broken. Next time I will go to another lab that uses Noritsu here in Brisbane, Australia. Keep up the great work and videos for the community. Muchas gracias!
I saw a quick interview with the R&D department and grainydays. They said it is technically ISO 123 or something like that but over all testing came to the conclusion it should be sold as ISO 200. Also worth noting it's experimental film and will be refined over time.
Just got my first Phoenix film back. Rated by the DX at 200 in an auto camera. Scan myself Epson flatbed at 2400 dpi. Also cheap Lidl camera type. Really interesting results. Flatbed fine but pretty dense, except when using flatbed software and it came up different, auto correction unexpected. In the cheap Lidle, SilverCrest on label it looks like Lomo Redscale. So different. At least it is sold as experimental. I think they might be aiming for a wide latitude film for all the basic cameras now out there. 50 to 800 asa!! I am going to get some more and see how it works in a Lomo Sardina and a Pentax K1000. Hopefully I will get a shot at sunny Spain as well as dull rainy England. But I agree, the scanning difference is really interesting.
This film looks like it has about 8 stops of dynamic range. How you can achieve a this in analog is mind boggling. That being said, I will still buy a couple rolls, if only to say thank you for there actually being a new stock on the market.
I have it in my camera now. Should have looked at this video before I put the film in. I dont know how I would go about the scaning process. Because the companies that do it dont really disclose what kind of scanners they use.
Oh. I've been wanting to learn how to scan and edit my own negatives for a while. Well, I guess this is as good an excuse as any, because I can't possibly make my Phoenix scans any worse than what they were from the lab.
So good I found this video before putting my first roll of Phoenix 200 into the camera. I scan and process my negatives on my own so the colour issues aren't that big of a deal for me. The underexposure is though, and I can see that underexposing even by one stop is problematic. Would you say it's a good idea to shoot this film at ISO 100 and develop normally? I'm specifically asking about "developing normally" because I'm not sure the lab I develop negatives allows me to push/pull my film.
Yes and no, indeed there is a software issue when it comes to parameters and how is expecting the values of the orange mask to be. But also there is the fact that Phoneix has significantly less layer than other color emulsions that affect the color rendering. So, yes and no 🙃
You could try, and some of the late version of the Frontier software (MS01) can modify settings, but generally, the frontier apply very hard curves and contrast settings to the images. If you can figure it out let us know!
@@carmencitafilmlab_ I don't have one, I was just wondering if there was some documentation to help labs. I know the lab I often go to has a fleet of Frontier so after looking at your video, I didn't ask for scans for my rolls of Phoenix and scanned them at home.
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"this cow is in another dimension" xD
Our favourite sentence of the clip too 😆
I have one more roll, this time it'll go to Noritsu 😅
I love that this film is not just just a Kodak/Fuji look-alike. As an artist I love the unpredictability. It is like surfing a wave. Sometimes it gives you joy, and sometimes it just dumps you in the water.
My biggest worry is that Harmon/Ilford will replace this with a more "true to life" version that is very predictable, and then there will be no reason to choose it other than price. This film, on the other hand gives plenty of reason to choose it as a creative tool, much like choosing a Lomography film. Not so much true to life, as creative and stylized. Kodak and Fuji are bland, and unexciting in comparison. Phoenix is much more a roller coaster, with, as I would expect, results that range from blah to wonderful.
You cannot cook something delicious without having the stove hot enough to burn the fingers :) I see lots of burnt fingers, but I also see some deliciousness.
The company itself (in a video interview) says the film is really 123 ISO. So closer to 100 than 200. I am shooting at +2/3 right now, still need to develop the roll and see. Trying it for the first time and after 25 years of not shooting film. Super excited regardless of what happens.
Thank you so much for this video. It made me understand why my scans had that hard colour crush. I was beginning to think my light meter was broken. Next time I will go to another lab that uses Noritsu here in Brisbane, Australia. Keep up the great work and videos for the community. Muchas gracias!
That's exactly why we wanted to make this video :_) better late than never
I saw a quick interview with the R&D department and grainydays. They said it is technically ISO 123 or something like that but over all testing came to the conclusion it should be sold as ISO 200. Also worth noting it's experimental film and will be refined over time.
Useful information. Still getting one just to have the experience of using it, but an improved next generation is necessary.
Thank you this is a really important video
loved every bit of it.
Just got my first Phoenix film back. Rated by the DX at 200 in an auto camera. Scan myself Epson flatbed at 2400 dpi. Also cheap Lidl camera type. Really interesting results. Flatbed fine but pretty dense, except when using flatbed software and it came up different, auto correction unexpected. In the cheap Lidle, SilverCrest on label it looks like Lomo Redscale. So different. At least it is sold as experimental. I think they might be aiming for a wide latitude film for all the basic cameras now out there. 50 to 800 asa!! I am going to get some more and see how it works in a Lomo Sardina and a Pentax K1000. Hopefully I will get a shot at sunny Spain as well as dull rainy England. But I agree, the scanning difference is really interesting.
This film looks like it has about 8 stops of dynamic range. How you can achieve a this in analog is mind boggling. That being said, I will still buy a couple rolls, if only to say thank you for there actually being a new stock on the market.
Este video me da tranquilidad después de ver mi primer rollo de Phoenix 200 con la Fuji Klasse. No fue mi culpa jaja
I have it in my camera now. Should have looked at this video before I put the film in. I dont know how I would go about the scaning process. Because the companies that do it dont really disclose what kind of scanners they use.
The chemists themselves said the actual EI is 123.5 in Grainyday's video
Uh! Didn't know that! Interesting!
Pedazo de vídeo, muchas gracias chicos. Justo estoy probando Phoenix como usuaria principiante y creo que habéis salvado mis fotos 😅
¡Pues ya ha valido la pena hacer el video! ♥
Oh. I've been wanting to learn how to scan and edit my own negatives for a while. Well, I guess this is as good an excuse as any, because I can't possibly make my Phoenix scans any worse than what they were from the lab.
So good I found this video before putting my first roll of Phoenix 200 into the camera. I scan and process my negatives on my own so the colour issues aren't that big of a deal for me. The underexposure is though, and I can see that underexposing even by one stop is problematic. Would you say it's a good idea to shoot this film at ISO 100 and develop normally? I'm specifically asking about "developing normally" because I'm not sure the lab I develop negatives allows me to push/pull my film.
Desde Safe Light Berlin también me recomendaron usarlo en 125
Great video! Too bad your lab is so far away (I'm from Antwerp, Belgium), otherwise I would definitely send my rolls over.
We take mail-in orders from all over the world ;)
Habéis probado a hacer proceso cruzado con esta película?
It’s simply a software issue, given that the algorithms are not prepared for a purple base, isn’t it? It’s not the film itself.
Yes and no, indeed there is a software issue when it comes to parameters and how is expecting the values of the orange mask to be. But also there is the fact that Phoneix has significantly less layer than other color emulsions that affect the color rendering. So, yes and no 🙃
Question: can you change the settings of Frontier prior to scanning to maybe help with the over the top contrast?
You could try, and some of the late version of the Frontier software (MS01) can modify settings, but generally, the frontier apply very hard curves and contrast settings to the images. If you can figure it out let us know!
@@carmencitafilmlab_ I don't have one, I was just wondering if there was some documentation to help labs. I know the lab I often go to has a fleet of Frontier so after looking at your video, I didn't ask for scans for my rolls of Phoenix and scanned them at home.
Publicareis en español en un futuro?
¡Hola! Hemos habilitado subtítulos en español :) Normalmente hacemos contenido en inglés porque trabajamos con fotógrafos/as de todo el mundo, pero tomamos nota para futuros vídeos 📝 ¡Gracias!
Compré 5 rollos (revelado en laboratorio de barrio y escaneado en casa)… horrible, parece una peli de lomohraghy
Justamente por eso decidimos hacer este video 🥲 Ojalà hubieramos recibido la peli antes como otros labs americanos para poder haber hecho el review.