Why Kratos could NEVER Use Mjolnir in God of War Ragnarok according to ... Plus more
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- In an interview with IGN Games ( • God of War: Ragnarok S... ), God of War Ragnarok director Eric Williams reveals the reason why it didn’t make sense for Kratos to use Mjolnir.
Also included in this video is a reason why Kratos couldn’t beat Thor in their first head-to-head battle as told by Kratos himself.
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[ God of War Ragnarök is an upcoming action-adventure video game developed by Santa Monica Studio and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment. It is scheduled to be released worldwide on November 9, 2022, for the PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5. It will be the ninth installment in the God of War series, the ninth chronologically, and the sequel to 2018's God of War. Loosely based on Norse mythology, the game will be set in ancient Scandinavia and feature series protagonist Kratos and his teenage son Atreus. Serving as the finale to the Norse era of the series, the game will cover Ragnarök, a series of events that bring about the end of days, and depicts the deaths of some of the Norse gods, which was foretold to happen in the previous game after Kratos killed the Æsir god Baldur. ]
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In the true myth the hammer isn’t choosing who is worthy or not the hammer is just incredibly and I mean incredible heavy which is why in some story’s Thor holds the hammer with gloves because he has to much strength but I can’t really tell what they went with on this story because Odin was able to lift it and throw thrud with it so can’t really tell
Yep. He didn't just need gloves though, he also wore a belt.
Maybe only Aesirs can lift the hammer in the game
He needs the belt to use it properly but he does have the strength to lift it without. The gloves are actually so the electricity off of the hammer won't kill him. If I remember they're called Glipnir which is ironically hilarious that they translate into "gloves of iron" which is a conductor of electricity.
@@la912 well that wouldn’t make sense because in the previous game it tells of how giants stole his hammer a couple of times
@@Nick13472 they probably didn't physically touch it when stealing it probably got a special bag of some sort.
The hammer was the weapon of a destroyer what Kratos no longer wishes to be.
Tbf the Blades of Chaos were also the weapons of a destroyer that Kratos no longer wishes to be
@@projectpems8304 Yeah and he clearly doesnt want them, they just keep coming back so he might aswell use them
@@projectpems8304 He's still cursed to always have them follow him, so they clearly don't care about how he feels.
@@projectpems8304 he tried getting rid of them but each night he slept they'd come back
Also I don’t think boi would appreciate his dad wielding the weapon that killed the giants
"It wasn't gonna surprise."
Well now I'm just surprised that we don't get the weapon and I'm also sad.
The game's director himself didn't want Kratos to wield it, too obvious à la Avengers Endgame. That's why he was given the spear, like the ones he used in ancient Greece.
I vaguely remember Freya talking about how Freyr lost ingrid to Odin, saying that a weapon like ingrid can't just be stolen, it must be given willingly. I think this is the same reason Kratos couldn't use mjolnir whenever he grabbed it mid-fight. Thor probably would've given away Mjolnir willingly to Thrud eventually had he survived, and it was probably his will for that to happen anyways post-mortem. Hence why Thrud is able to wield it post-ragnarok.
Anyone can lift the hammer as shown when Thor,his daughter and Odin just randomly pick it up
The only reason why kratos doesn’t wield it is because every time he gets a chance to touch it he’s also fighting against Thor
When Thor throws the hammer not only is he fighting against the hammer and it’s properties (the axe and hammer have special properties that basically allow them to fly and not be stopped as shown when both weapons clash and neither fell to the floor or stopped) but he’s also fighting against the force of Thors throwing strength
I think, when seeing thors death and him reaching for thrud.
You could think of it being the moment he entrusts his hammer to her. Though with it having been previously thrown, it needed to be retrieved to finish the 'transaction', which could be why we find thrud searching for it instead of snapping it back.
Food for thought in any case
I also agree that it was better for Kratos to not get the hammer, however I would love for the next game to have a moment when maybe Thrud goes to train with him and they get to swap weapons for a moment, perhaps to prove herself that she is worthy of the hammer by fighting against it or something like that
Thrud: Can we trade weapons for a minute? I want to feel what it’s like to wield a weapon that has slain Valkyries if I want to be one!
Kratos: It is not the weapon that is wielded that is important; it is how it is wielded, but… sure
I think it's a very serious error in the narrative, with how careful it is, with all the character development of Kratos and the rest of the characters... they simply chose to omit everything related to Thor's hammer, I'm not saying that Kratos He will take it with him as a new weapon, but definitely the leviathan ax is not anywhere near as broken as the hammer is, and they did not give an iota of explanation as to why kratos could not lift it, a guy who was holding back throughout the game because I didn't want to kill anyone, and with enough force to stop Cronos, and yet Odin, who wasn't especially specialized in brute force, and even Thor's daughter lifted the hammer... I love the game but I don't like the holes narratives.
@@Just_A_Cheat_Copy I think Kratos would be able to lift it, but the times he was struggling to get it off of him were after it was thrown by someone and it was being used against him
@@Abdega
He just didn't do it because the creators didn't want to, or because the hammer is from the marvel version where only the worthy can lift it... which clearly isn't that version because,very worthy thor... isn't. Then in the middle of the second fight kratos kind of grabs the hammer with his swords and hits thor with it because... thor left him? All these are conclusions that we reached almost without any basis, I thought this was god of war not dark souls where you have to read the descriptions of the objects to find out XD I only see narrative gaps, if there is a fault to be found in this masterpiece without a doubt it is this
Wack
It's interesting that the weapon made for kratos is a spear cuz if you think about it. It's probably the first weapon he ever used in Spartan training and as a Spartan general
He does say it's the first weapon a spartan learns.
If you played the other games you would notice that the draupnir spear looks and works EXACTLY like the arms of sparta you used in god of war ghost of sparta.
Arms of sparta is a magical spear and shield, both spears are golden color, have the same blade design, both have the red cloth hanging on it and both can be thrown infinitely and new ones be produced
On one hand I kinda agree with the devs because it is true... Kratos has three main story games (PS2 and PS3) and three backstory games (PSP and PS3) where he pretty much wipes the floor with extremely difficult enemies and then takes their own prized weapons, tools or even abilities in some ways to lay siege and wreck the Olympian pantheon, thus it would have made Kratos "predictable" if he just kept taking the prized weapons and powers of the Norse pantheon but it would further humiliate them because of it.
However at the same time there is a problem with Thor and Mjolnir in that he is a very "arial combat" oriented fighter, thus not only is Thor making these constant long leaps and practically flying and shooting lightning and thunder but also causing a massive wreckage that is not really that different from the type of things Kratos has done to huge and powerful enemies.
having said that, it also feels like a cop out... because the God of War game would have to really be expanded further to actually use Mjolnir the way we see it being depicted by the actual player and that might have made the game exclusive to PS5 simply because the PS4 with a stock HDD (which is what most owners have) just cannot keep up with the access times of the PS5's custom SSD near ROM cartridge performance which would just make God of War Ragnarok way too different from the game we know.
Agreed… nonetheless would’ve been coo to see Kratos wield it in his own way with his own combat with him being a grounded fighter but the axe and hammer are pretty much similar in aspect one just has lightning the other has ice and there’s not much that lightning hammer could do in this game that the axe couldn’t. It’s not like we needed something powered up electronically wise
@@llinteruptionzsll1134 The hammer doesn't have lightning abilities. That's just thor channeling his power through his hammer.
@@llinteruptionzsll1134 If kratos used the hammer as a weapon it would most likely use fire.
I would have liked to have seen him use briefly it in a cutscene. Maybe at the end of the final Thor fight or something.
Yeah even ONE hit against Thor with his own weapon would have been awesome to see...
@@RingoLoadagain the closest we got was when he threw the hammer with the blades
I just wish we had a moment of Kratos and Thor fighting together and not just against each other
Haven't watched the entire video but I'd like to give my thoughts. The reason why no one's been able to use Thor's hammer other than himself is not because of the worthy stuff and all, instead because it currently has an owner, which is Thor. In the game we see at any point anyone other than Thor lifting it easily is when Thor is already dead, Thrud only lifting it once Odin is gone, etc
The worthy stuff is only marvel. In actual norse myths its just heavy as hell and Thor (with the help of some mystical armors) is strong enough to wield it. Not sure what god of war is going for exactly but im leaning towards the heavy idea.
@@lumpz7043 no because Thor put it on a table in the house of kratos.
Anyone can lift the hammer as shown when Thor,his daughter and Odin just randomly pick it up
The only reason why kratos doesn’t wield it is because every time he gets a chance to touch it he’s also fighting against Thor
When Thor throws the hammer not only is he fighting against the hammer and it’s properties (the axe and hammer have special properties that basically allow them to fly and not be stopped as shown when both weapons clash and neither fell to the floor or stopped) but he’s also fighting against the force of Thors throwing strength
There's a theory that Mjolnir has a soul attached to it.
Since Thor is half Giant like Atreus, he might be able sense the soul, and that could be why he talks to his hammer.
Terrible theory. It ruins the aspect of thor.
And why he occasionally shares his drink with it
They could have given us both mjolnir and druphnir spear
I hate the cunt that said no to mjolnir
Does anyone else think Thor could’ve had more weight to him? no in the physical sense like him being bigger or chubbier, but in the sense that his character in-game would FEEL heavy, that he would have an impact on the environment just by walking around or jumping. For instance, when he flies off after the boss fight and being punched, he says, “be seein ya.” he sorta just floats away with the ground breaking, but the jump itself didn’t feel powerful, heavy, impactful, and I think that, along with a lot of other things cutscene-wise could’ve been executed a little better to immerse players more.
All Mjolnir was good for was looking cool and being helpful as an npc's weapon. lol
"Yes yes, that is a very very interesting theory... Or a much simpler one.... You're all not worthy."
-Thor
I hope you know that the worthiness enchantment is strictly Marvel, and no such restriction existed in the myths
@@raspberryjam3724 I understand the two Thor's are completely different from each other.
Counter-point, a major theme of this game is being more than what other people say you are, Kratos taking up an 'evil' weapon and using it for good fits that theme perfectly. Hell, they even do that with that one ghost sword. Take that dialogue, apply it to Mjolnir instead and add a passing remark to the sword along the lines of "well, if we're redeeming one weapon, why not another?"
I think the hammer would have been too similar to the axe gameplay wise plus Kratos looks so cool with the spear
The hammer was used to kill giants, to enact revenge, to dishonor the intent of its smiths and was wielded by a soldier who acted obeyed than chose. Had Kratos taken it, it would mean symbolically going back to his old ways. Forging a weapon from the mistakes of the past, the honor of his people, the bonds of the present and using it to shape the kind of god he would become was more important. Making Thor redefine how he wielded it was a greater victory. The spear is the anti Gungnir, a spear wielded with a soldier's arete, rather than by a trickster's obsession.
Huh, the last time I watch your channel was 4 year ago, good to be back
They could’ve at least gave us a QTE of wielding it
Imagine dual wielding the axe and hammer xD
Bro that outro music brings back so many good memories
Cheng Teoh What is your Favourite God of War Boss Fight for me Ares Zeus Pandora's Guardian Colossus of Rhodes Theseus Perseus Alrik The Barbarian King Hercules Poseidon Magni Modi Baldur and Sigrun
Some times a twist for the sake of a twist isn't cleaver
Man this game looks so damn good. Thanks for sharing
Ngl I hate spears in every game I’ve played since nes .. but this is the best one in gaming
Probably cuz spears are always unwieldy. The close range combat is shit unless you have a good ability to use such as siphoning the ability and enemy uses which is especially good to get poison and bifrost which can be really good for weakening an enemy. Also I like to chuck spears into enemies and can use it as a stagger oppertunity if it gets too heated.
I definitely think Mjölnir will be usable in the future. Partially because it’s been created in game already. It has mechanics and moves , it’s literally coded already so why would they waste an opportunity to create combat around it that could be a different enough from the Axe. Would love to use it even if we played as Thrud tbh. And I’d pay to do so.
How have they wasted an opportunity with it? Your main 3 points are summarised into the last one, it's been coded. Thor utilitises the hammer, it had not been wasted it's main purpose in the game was for combat against kratos.. its like your saying " a human has been coded we need to utilise the human more to not waste It" when in reality they don't, nothings been wasted because that person was made to make the story feel alive, that is all they are needed for and that is all they're coded for. Same as the hammer. It is only coded for one thing. To be thors and show how kratos' axe is a counter to it and therefore his use of mjolnir isn't needed
@@thstan4062 wasted an opportunity “to create combat around” to use it. Read carefully next time sis. I know we have the Axe. Which behaves the same way. But all the talent that the combat team has can definitely make it feel different from the axe.
@@thstan4062 and if you don’t wanna use it that’s kool buddy, I think it would be kool.
That's exactly what I think! They disappointed many by not putting the hammer in the game, one of them being me! One of the reasons I was so hyped for god of war ragnarok was to use Mjolnir's hammer... this game just doesn't appeal to me anymore
@@gharani.shekhazade7005 your sad about a game not giving you mjolner even though it wouldn't make sense to have kratos use mjolner? He's got the axe, the literal perfect counter to mjolner not only that but its got more weight to the axe as it was faye's, this whole game is about kratos not going back to his former self and growing, it would make no sense if kratos just went and stole mjolner from thrud
Not gonna lie the spear has become one of the my favorites. If used right : it a sick weapon especially if you try to do three specials in a row and end with the spear but it does make sense that he didn’t use Mjolnir more , but They should’ve had like a small part where, and one of the Certo challenges after you beat thir ( and for all the people who wanted to lift the hammer ) you have to use his hammer to defeat a certain amount of enemies in sutures challenges ( maybe right before GNA and that would be it. That would be a cool little side game they could of put together to allow use a chance with the hammer But they r completely right he has the axe which is the counter balance
Krato is like a MCU villain turned hero it would take all of the avengers to fight with and they’d still get fed thor knew better than to continue that fight against a man that wiped out the entire greek pantheon 🤣🤣
I don’t care what y’all say using Mjolnir would’ve been so freaking cool
Just 1 new weapon in Ragnarok. GOD 3...man.
Well i would love a weapon that stuns enemys with thunder but... Atleast we have the spear that barely does any dmg THOUGH its good for combo extending
Barely does damage?? What did you keep it at lvl 1 the whole time the spear is literally one of the best weapons to use for quick damage
What is hapoening here at the end?
Trying to see if I could trap Freya on the other side.
The hammer is straight up just the axe but with lightning, like I literally see no point of having it be a new weapon. (Even tho it seems nice.) Because what can the hammer do that we can't already do with the axe? And don't bring up Thor destroying walls with it, that's a gameplay feature and I'm pretty sure that the guy who can lift an entire temple should also be able to destroy some weak walls and yet we never do.
Although if I'm being honest, I'm kinda disappointed that we couldn't use ingrid more. (Same with Freyr honestly) like we could've at least fought a single boss fight with him and his sword, so we're more invested with him. Which will make his death more emotional, because many people didn't even get time to attach to him. I mean for god's sake his sword literally went head to head with mjolnir in the bar!! Like what!?
The hammer and the air can feel completely different to use even if they essentially serve the serve purpose in gameplay. Hell, the electric powers alone can give you a neat effect to play with instead.
I guess the devs just preferred to subvert people's expectations
@@cia4u401like how exactly?
Also if the only difference between are the effects, then why even make it to begin with? Besides shocking the enemy is a bad effect anyway it doesn't stun, slow or even deal damage to them overtime. At best it can share a small amount of damage to other enemies, and that's it.
@@elevated6941 Thor can use his hammer to fly.
@@pelinalwhitestrake3367 and so can Freyr with Ingrid, and yet I never saw Atrues fly with it.
@@elevated6941 Are you seriously asking how a heavy hammer and an axe would feel different to use? One chops and the other smashes.
What do you mean it "doesn't stun or deal damage over time"? Electric shock effects in videogames typically do just that, lighting still applies its effect for a few seconds after the shock/bounce between enemies and/or stuns. It's something you'd see even on cartoons.
Fun fact: (UNRELATED) The shield works UNTIL you meet the Huntress, then it stops working. Weird, huh?
Thrud as a Valkyrie boss fight 💀
The problem is not Kratos taking Mjolnir is that we never got the chance to see him actually hold it, not wield it, but hold it so that we know he's more than capable of holding/carrying/wielding the weapon/
We did tho, 3 times technically. he not only held it back when Thor first threw it at him in the first fight when Thor calls him a dumb***, he stopped it in its tracks and was pulling it back when Thor grabbed him in the last fight and he even swung the hammer at Thor with his blades in that same fight
Odin threw it like it was a toy
wouldn't it have been awesome if you could dual wield the axe and hammer in combat?
Simple explanation, man doesn’t need it.
You can wield thors hammer through Mods. That's about the best you gonna get.
ITS NOT HEAVY.
Thor put it the hammer on several tables. Including the one in the kratos house.
Idk how to make kratos name in ownership because he already has a S at the end of his name.
I always found it weird that they moved from gaining the weapons of the gods he defeats from the old games
Not really. Doesn't fit with the theme of the newer games. Like the Game director points out, the Spear has significance to Kratos. It's no longer a power fantasy like the older games. Its about restrain and mastery. Even the combat is more tactical and focused.
I whis kratos get 4 weapon
The hammer wouldnt play any different than how the axe anyway
Myolnir is extramly heavy. So while Kratos could eventually figure out just how much of his strength he'd need to use to wield it. it's better for him to have the spear as the axe is Myolnir's equal. Considering it was made to fight the hammer and even at lvl 1 can hold it's own against Myolnir. And Mechanically it would just be a reskinned Axe with lightning instead of ice.
Also the spear is symbolic. His first actual weapon that wasn't stolen or a gift. And the first weapon he used. The Arms of Sparta could be considered his godly weapon but he left them with his brother. However that wouldn't make sense as they where Krato's weapon before he got the Blades of Chaos. And the Drapnir spear uses his blood thus making it his first godly weapon. Designed to look like the spear of the Arms of Sparta.
Can't be that heavy Thor plonked it on kratos's little dining table without issue, unless the god of war is also the god of carpentry
@@shzze Kratos is the God of strength in the actual mythology so he'd need a lot of stuff to handle his strength. Not to mention Fey mostlikely magically enhanced to wood.
One thing I thought about is that mechanically it wouldn't be all that different to the axe. The axe was made to work in a very similar manner both in universe and in game development so how would wielding mjolnir be any different to the leviathan axe.
If we're being honest the main reason Kratos took the weapons of his enemies was to change the gameplay by giving players a new fighting style to play with to keep things fresh, so what would be the point of giving him a new weapon when it's functionally identical to the one he's already got.
I have a question if you could answer it. So in the quarry, what happens if Emma gets infected by Max, then Abigail dies by Nick. What will Emma do because she can’t attack Abigail? Also If you keep Abigail alive, can she survive Emma by running to the stairs?
Edit: I have one more question. What if your playing as Kaitlyn in the lodge assault but you don’t investigate or hide with Dylan? Could you try it with Kaitlyn infected or not infected?
I'm not sure of the answer to the first question but if I'm remembering correctly if Abi is alive while Emma is infected from a bite in Chpt 4 then if you choose to run - Abigail running down the cellar stairs will always die.
As for what happens in the lodge assault with Katilyn, if no one finds the silver bullet in an earlier chapter then Kaitlyn will automatically hide in the kitchen. Then if Kaitlyn is not infected she'll die if Caleb catches her, but if she's infected he'll pin her to the ground but leave her alone after smelling her.
Hope that helps.
1:39 Does anyone know what that symbol is?
He says what it is as it appears. Symbol of Sparta
1. He talking about the Omega 2. I do actually want to know, I couldn’t find it anywhere
@@tanyasherman512 Its the Sparta symbol is it not? He says " The blood comes out as the Omega first, which is the old version of him. But the thing that really cements it is the symbol of Sparta" which is what is shown right after the Omega symbol.
If you Google it, there are similar looking symbols and one that look identical to the one shown in this clip.
@@YogiTeef I thought it was rune, sorry
@@tanyasherman512 no worries
It would've been cool to wield mjolnir in the game but I'm happy with the decision they made
Why hasn’t kratos tried destroying the blades of chaos
They can't be destroyed nor can they be rid of
Hrs cursed to have then forever.
@@Jokerman5474 he could try throwing them over the edge of the world tree path considering if you jump off it you disintegrate along with all his equipment.
@@evmiezter2974 read the god of war comics for answers
@@evmiezter2974before you say it I honestly feel dumb for answering a 6 month old comment… but it’s because he simply can’t you have to remember zeus discarded and destroyed every weapon he had at the end of god of war 3 and despite destroying the entire Greek realm/universe (i forgot how they describe it) with the blades still in Olympus they managed to follow him to the Norse world it’s a representation of his past self: he cannot let go nor destroy it his only option is to simply accept it and move on
basically this guy, listen we all know our fans saw the end of our first game saw Thor & Mjolnir and got excited to be able to use such a famous powerful and unique weapon but no
This isn't Marvel (owned by the evil Disney company), you don't need to be "worthy" to wield Mjolnir, you just need to be strong enough to wield it with only one arm.
But Kratos wouldn't use the weapon that killed so many of his wife's people, it's bad enough he's cursed to forever carry the blades he used to unwittingly kill his first wife and daughter.
I feel like if kratos wielded the hammer, it would’ve been all over the internet n ppl would’ve bought the game just to see that.. just imagine the combos he would’ve came up wit using both the axe and the hammer.. once I found out he didn’t get the hammer just because the developers thought it was too predictable i didn’t want to buy it.. personally i thought that was a wack move..
so what you're saying is Kratos isn't Worthy
That a marvel thing
*that isn’t that strong because is too heavy
@@owensilva9224 so you're telling me you don't need to be worthy to lift his hammer
@@lorenzopiscosi9566 wow Thor must be pretty strong if he can throw it and carried around no problem
@@doctorspindash2.086 pretty much…
kratos is weak now
It would've been so fun to use. Totally disagree with the devs. I was disappointed in the end
Does it make sense for the story? Sure, whatever.
Does it payoff any of the hype and expectations most fans had since 2018? No, not at all.
God of Ragnarok is an AWESOME movie but an OK video game.
I think it does though
It makes zero sense for the story as well. And gameplay.
@@GianniLantigua Well hang on now, it absolutely makes sense for the story. But it's dumb af. Like we didn't even get to use it once. It's bullshit.
It's an awesome video game as well but it would have been much more epic if we got Mjolnir.
No hammer, bad game