When fans of a game franchise are depressed rather than angry about bad quality, it means they're losing interest. They're losing hope, which is worse than being angry.
Its what i did with WoW. Stopped playing when i realised the path it was going. If i kept playing it i would eventually start hating the game and i didn't want to hate a game that gave me so many fun moments.
@@Jjosh9424 And aside from that, the thing about not trying to cater to a new audience (not saying it's good or bad, but looking at it objectively) the thing about people in their mid 30s (what would be the age group of people that played DA growing up) will significantly reduce because a lot of them have other responsibilities that prevent them from picking up the game and throwing at it 50, 80, 100 or whatever hours necessary. The reason baldur's gate 3 was so successful it's not just because it was a very good sequel to baldurs gate 2, but because it was also an attractive game to new audiences, and this is what they may try to do with the new DA, as to wether it will be successful or not, we can't tell now since only the trailer is out, but I can see the reasoning behind it. None of the people who are big fans of DA will not play it, just because of the tone shift, but a lot of new players may pick it up if it looks interesting and polished, and if the game is pretty damn good, the original audience will really have no complains aside the tone shift.
Who are we to demand? My brother in Christ they’re asking us to pay. They aren’t putting it out for free. If you want me to pay it needs to do what I want it to do.
they're not forcing people to buy the game though. if the game is on a kickstarter funding, then we can demand something from them. otherwise, we just need to accept what's becoming of the game and just be critical about it.
You shouldn't accept, if you don't like it. That's the whole point. You accept only if yu personally like it and not lick boots, because they tell you to. @@yememaharrison8460
I maintain at least that Bethesda games are still the same buggy, bad shit crazy messes with awesome modding groups, they have always been. Im not sure, why Starfield got such a bum wrap, when its just Skyrim in space. But yeah, everything else went down hill.
@@carbagehealthi think it was mainly because starfield is a new IP.. whereas skyrim had a bunch of fans of previous games.. also many of my friends resented starfield as being the cause of delay for next elder scrolls.. its a game "no one asked for"
@@carbagehealthThe way Skyrim went from being beloved to hated in 10 years is exactly what's going to happen with Elden Ring. Neither game deserves it, but that's how it is.
Exactly. One line from the video that gets me. "Game are art, who are we to demand devs make art we want to look at" Answer: the people paying them to make the art.
@@SerfinBird People paying them to make the art are the management/producers/investors, not us. Our money decides if we get to look at the "art" they produce, but in the end, WE aren't the ones paying them to make anything, unless you directly invested in the development either by owning stocks in the company, being an actual investor or it's a kickstarter campaign/patreon sub/whatever and you directly paid for the funding. Carnage is right: we don't get to demand what the devs can and can't make. We're not entitled to what they make. We're not karens walking into a burger shop demanding a pizza. However, what we can do, is look at that burger shop, decide it's not for us and walk away. If they start losing money because burger shop 4.0 isn't as good as burger shop 2.0 or burger shop 1.0, then it's their decision to change it up and appeal to the customers of those 2 burger shops. If they do, great! If they don't, well, sucks for them.
Sequel fatigue is real though. Both games and movies are failing to get the same numbers because people dont get excited by established ips as much anymore. Give it time and the industry will be forced to change or strangle itself.
They managed to outdone Dragon Age 2 with trying to turn it into action game. At least the 2 still have a modicum of tactic left in it. The 2nd game won't be the most hated one anymore, I guess.
Man if you think Dragon Age is "dark" or that LOTR is "dark" that pretty wild. They're both PG high fantasy. Also, if you think it's "chess-like", lol. It's an action RPG with pause, just like KOTOR. Any D&D game, like NWN2 is far more tactical.
@@joshfoss7407 also have you even read the extended works of Tolkien? Is incest, murder, torture, abuse, and self unaliving PG to you? Bruh. And yeah, Origins on the highest difficult does have chess combat. Character positioning matters massively, tactical crowd control matters massively, tell me you've only played Inquisition without telling me you've only played Inquisition.
@@Trance2400 Yes, I have. PG-13 maybe. "Dark" fantasy is almost exclusively reserved for worlds of despair, depravity and horror. I would consider Bloodborne or Lies of P to be dark fantasy games. Dragon Age is just standard High fantasy - no different than atypical D&D campaign. Character positioning and crowd control doesn't equal chess. Every fantasy MMORPG has that. Every crpg in history has that. Baldur's gate 1/2, Icewind Dale 1/2, Arcanum, NWN2,Fallout 1/2, and hundreds of others. Those games are all far more tactical than DAO. No one calls WoW "chess-Like because it has CC and positioning matters. That's just a really basic gameplay element. I've played every single Dragon age campaign and dozens of crpgs going back tot he early 90s. You DAO fanboys act like they invented some new genre of RPG. In reality, it was just a fantasy themed KOTOR with a much weaker story, characters, and mechanics. Don't get me wrong, it was very decent. But it wasn't half as tactical as NWN2. Bioware's strength is playing to the mid-level action combat RPG, Mass Effect 2/3/Andromeda, DA2/DA3, Jade Empire all play fairly similarly and that's been Bioware's bread and Butter for 14 years now. Stuff liek KOTOR and DAO are never, ever coming back at BioWare. Best get on with it and enjoy great games.
Dragon age origins essentially turned me from a call of duty fanboy to someone in love with single player rpg type games. I had NO idea back then that itd be the pinnacle of the genre for the next 12+ years:/
@lancenelson6229 Yeah, I've played it. I guess it probably is better, but it came out like 5 years after and other than that, still hasn't been an rpg of origins level to scratch that it. I kinda forgot about the Witcher. I still like origins better as an rpg, though.
@@lancenelson6229 The lore of witcher can't compare honestly, it's better on technical terms though but the main plot of witcher 3 is bad i enjoyed the whole 3 crones in the forest way more than the ciri and wild hunt quest line. Dragon Age for me though has the best setting and lore, like the whole chantry and Tevinter gig and the veil and spirits, the elven gods that are actually not gods, Mythal, Andraste and Flemeth being one, all this esoteric, dark, ancient lore of Dragon Age is for me peak fiction and better than anything Tolkien wrote.
Origins got me into CRPGs. I only played games like BG3, Wasteland 3, , Pillars of Eternity, Pathfinder and Warhammer 40k Rogue trader because of it. Every time I get sad about Dragon Age I tell myself that at least the franchise presented me to many bangers that I would otherwise miss.
Exactly the same for me, too. Now that I think about it, DA:O was my first CRPG as well. Looking forward to seeing what comes of New Arc Line this year.
You should try out the old infinity engine games like Baldurs gate 1 & 2 and Icewind Dale. They're great games 🤟 I really need to boot up Dragon Age Origins again. It's been a while!
@@Nurix09 I know what he's trying to say because every version of Dragon's Age has been treated as an experiment or training tool for another game. Dragon Age 2 was basically a tech demo for what Mass Effect combat would end up. Dragon Age inquisition was more Mass Effect light. It's never been developed as it's own game since Orgins. That said you run any game with a level 1 character and combat is going to look try. Imagine if you got all your opinion of WOW from a level 1 character in the noob land with one combat skill. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this game again is throwing out combat and mechanics for them to harvest into the next Mass Effect game. That's simply been the history of the product. Sacrifice Dragon Age so everyone loves Mass Effect later.
Well he was clearly expecting similar to Origins and got instead similar to Inquisition, so yes that is probably the main reason for his disappointment. I just don't know why people still think they are going down the Origins route again when they clearly abandoned it already from DA2 and onwards.
I'm totally on the same page as Asmon. I think Cohh is being really nice and compromising. DA is dead. We get Suicide Failguard : Kill the Dragon Age instead.
I dont think they even want them any more. They would like the team hero shooter, live service kidies with parents with deep pockets. If this game sells well, were looking a sequel like that. COD fans will see the color purple and run for the hills.
That day might never come, because if this game fails like MA: Andromeda and Anthem EA might close them down for good and Bioware will become just another studio in the long row of game studios killed by EA.
Well, I am grateful that I had the chance to play Dragon Age1 when it was first published. This was a one-of-a-kind game. It's probably impossible to repeat something like that.
This video is exactly why they keep getting away with doing crap like this. Ill still play it even though its a skin suit of the thing i like. Good lord.
Maybe, but i can guarantee the writing won't be as good nor the gameplay. Funny you mention Borderlands and that DLC, because after that DLC, Borderlands got the treatment this game got to an extent. BL3 fell off in a lot of ways from BL2. Especially writing wise. That being said, the gameplay was fantastic. Weapon balancing was terrible, but the gunplay and movement was the best in the series by far. Tiny Tina's Wonderlands was pure garbage. The movie looks terrible with quite possibly the worst casting ever. And i have zero excitement for BL4 if it ever releases. Much like this game and most western games made these days, it's made by activists. You can roll your eyes and reddit all over me if you want. But it's the truth and you know it. And it does nothing but HURT the game. In NO ways does it make it better. Just look at the female characters in BL1, TPS, and BL2 especially. Then look at them in BL3 and TTW... It's clear they went the uglification route. I remember thinking when BL3 was coming out that they must have all new artists and that these artists suck. Little did i know back then, that it was just because they hate straight men.
“I’ve eaten this much crap that one more bite isn’t gonna hurt.” Yes it is gonna hurt. It’s hurt every time before and it will continue *until you stop eating crap*
The overall vibe and character designs are so different that if they didn't show the Bioware logo at the start I wouldn't believe that it was made by them. In fact I wouldn't even believe that what I saw was a part of the Dragon Age IP.
Aesthetically, this is the closest entry to origins. More set pieces instead of open world, and from the sounds of it, a world map, is closer to origins than inquisition. More cutscenes with player impact is also more origins centric. The combat and seemingly no loot system is possibly the furthest it’s been though. Each fight basically being a round arena with no obstacles or environmental hazards so it’s just spam attacks that are all just different colors of the same effect emitters is sad. It’s normally a bad sign to me when you collect healing uses from random jars, Ala god of war fashion, so that’s also a bad sign… I would say, if inquisition is mass effect andromeda, then veil guard is mass effect 3, and everything kinda points in that direction. I hated 3, but I hated it less after playing andromeda, which I didn’t even finish. Inquisition disappointed me a lot, and it seems like veilguard will too, just not as much.
Im glad someone said it looks bad. Those graphics are basically Inquisition level. I mean, look at Baldur's Gate III, and you're telling me a supposedly AAA studio makes this after 10 years lol
DAO with BG3 style options/freedoms and narrative systems with the original hybrid combat and spell systems and art style modernized would have been an absolute money printer.
Bro it's on too. Larian has their OG IP and nailed it if DA comes out and it sucks bioware will be irrelevant. That's exactly what happened to simcity.
Cooking is a form of art. Doesn't mean that everyone needs to like YOUR art. So these are not exclusive statements. I can make you a burger that tastes like a michelin star dish. So yeah.
people complain about inquisition but I think DAO to DAI is a pretty consistent route - DAI is different, but still consistent in its world, aesthetics and writing. Now, this? What does Veilguard have in common with DA besides the title? These people are being paid to think about what we want. Not only they fired everyone from older games, they completely destroyed the world by the trailers. There is nothing screaming dark fantasy about it
Consistent? Having mostly played with mages, I have remembered by heart the 4 cardinal rules of magic introduced in the first game. Barely into DA2, enemy casters casually broke the teleportation rule and by the third, forget them!
@@yamid452 Those weren't rules, as in decided, those were the equivalent of our laws of physics, and as explained the only time in history someone managed to break one of those rules, at an insane cost, it tainted the citadel and created the darkspawn.
I like how this guy point out that if a VA does a bad job, it's the directors fault. I've seen good actors do both great and poor, and the difference is always the responsibility of the director.
I used to play Origins endlessly. Over and over. Read through the codex multiple times. I was and still am invested. The story, characters, and worldbuilding was that good.
Me too, I've been obsessed by this game for years and years, kept playing it over and over ... I liked 2 but it wasn't as addictive as Origins, then Inquisition.. only finished it once and never played it again.....
@@zhongliimpact6220I loved the engine they made for Inquisition. I'd love to see KOTOR remake in that engine or more Dragon Age in that direction. The writing just wasn't even as good as 2's and there was a bit too much filler.
The bioware devs that made dragon age (brought us this source material, this lore)….. do not work at the company anymore and did not make veilguard. Which you could say the bioware that brought us Dragon age no longer exist and hasn’t for a while. You saw this happening with Mass Effect andromeda as well, but sticking to dragon age age, what you see is a loss of identity. What created dragon age and fascinated us and gives us our nostalgia and made dragon age successful were its priorities. Priorities that you see in origins that steadily shift with each new iteration. I was a fan of the tactical RPG experience, but I’m not necessarily referring to just the combat systems necessarily . I mean priorities in terms of that escape. What modern day BioWare has been doing consistently has been integrating more and more focus/priority on relevancy. Social relevancy. And as as always the case, it’s not genuine care… It’s self-serving self seeking manipulative, attention and agenda, pushing. But more than that, social relevancy has no place in escape because it is the polar opposite of escape. If you have a product that is meant to provide escape, but then you prioritize what is current and relevant… You just removed the damn escape. You’re not allowing for escape to even exist! Dragon age is a mythical world that doesn’t exist in America or on earth. It is an imaginative planet, full of magic and dragons and races and demons and dark, spawn, rituals and witches, etc. and none of that has anything to do with modern day social relevancy. It’s what made us latch on to dragon age origins because it was doing what entertainment does which is provide the consumer with escape. To a whole new place where everything you know is different. And with that you don’t have to focus on all the relevant things you know, the priority is Escaping all of that. It’s why you higher creative artist in this industry to develop these imaginative creative experiences that allow consumers to escape their 24 seven routines and situations and life for a couple hours. It’s a break from all that shit a break from everything relevant. Veilguard is the continued culmination of focus on exploiting profit through lazy, generalization and integrating, social cultural relevancy into it, turning it into someone’s glorified Twitter page. It’s attempting to make profit while also pushing a agenda Aka have their cake and eat it too. And what we have far too often are consumers that have that nostalgic remembrance of a brand and so they justify an excuse and ignore these wrong priorities as they attempt to normalize what they’re seeing or experiencing. So instead of having consumer accountability to keep these wrong priorities out of these awesome Gaming experiences/escapes… Consumers far too often find themselves saying it is what it is and doing just about everything to ignore it and then reward it with access to their eyeballs and wallet. Which further incentivizes and reinforces to these decision makers that they can have these wrong priorities because ultimately consumers will, give them what they want. Wrong priorities always produce bad results and if you put up with this cycle long enough, it will inevitably end in destruction. Do not excuse or ignore or incentivize wrong priorities. Leave for social media is meant for social media and leave for entertainment/games what is meant for . Always remember, you get the beast that you feed
I completly disagree with Cohn's stance. Hes the target audiance. Its a sequal to a series. The dev SHOULD be catering to him. And they arent. You fully have the right to point that out and be dissapointed. Not every form of criticism is 'beeing angry' thats just bullshit modern media tries to pull. If he dident care he wouldnt even give it a look. They dont cater to their audiance (and made it pretty clear they dont) so I expect this to be a dumpster fire of a game.
yea well the developers behind the Original Mass Effect trilogy and the DA trilogy either got forced out or left the company on their own accord. Bioware is just like Rocksteady where the people working there have inherited beloved IPs but the far superior devs who worked on them are no longer at the company.
@@Vyperus69 And they got replaced with Activists that don't have any portfolio, except their Twitter Warrior Status, that would qualify them for these leading positions lmao
When a person reacts in the most "minimal" way similar to how Cohh did here, it means they are already in the phase of acceptance that their expectations are already at their lowest. It'd been better if he was angry, because that would mean he still is passionate enough to get pissed and genuinely want something to change. But when you're close to apathetic as this? It means you've already accepted the fact the game will potentially be trash. Similar to how you treat people you hate. You begin by hating them, being reactive of everything they do you dislike. Eventually, you become detached and don't even react anymore. That's far worse than being angry at the person, because you have to understand: Being mad at something and still sticking with it means you have some sort of investment. And when you reach this point of acceptance that nothing will improve, you simply stop everything and let them be.
He has the same attitude towards this as I did with game series' like Assassin's Creed and Plants vs Zombies. I don't even look at whatever Ubisoft as a whole are making anymore, they're getting absolutely nothing from me. So I get the feeling that if this game turns out to be utter garbage then that'll be the end of it for this dude. He'll be done with it all after this, which is always soul crushing to be like that.
You've said it plain and simple, my friend. I agree. That's the problem with players and gamers nowadays, they're too complacent, getting too comfy with "AAA" games. He said It himself "I don't wanna miss anything cool". So he's going into It expecting at least one thing he likes that only takes minutes out of an entire game that should take hours to complete. He's going into It with the mindset of "I don't wanna be left out while other people play this game", "I don't wanna be that one person in the friend group who's considered lame for not playing". The man behaves like he's still in high school. As an adult male, I play and enjoy what I want, whenever I want. IDC what the media likes or what everybody else is into, but that's not the point. The point here is, people like this man are becoming more and more tolerant of the slop that they're being served at a restaurant. Asmon said It well enough after this dude called It "art". Fuck no! In the end, I think people like him are gonna be the downfall of gamers' rights. He's gonna be one of those people that end up supporting horrible gaming company practices like "not really owning your games" out of a fear of either losing a beloved series, as shitty as It might end up being, or out of fear of having your streaming job affected or losing the ability to ever play/enjoy video games ever again. When people take the tyrants' side instead of the people's, out of fear, cowardice and benefit, they become as much of a tyrant as the person they felt like opposing in the first place.
I agree with your first part, but not your second. If you stay mad at some one, forget about them and remove them from your life. Staying invested in that anger is just emotional investment that is wasted. You are just giving them power over you, and if you do something about it, then you will just look deranged and give them the satisfaction of keeping you mad. I would even say this about games. I stopped caring or being mad at games over a decade a go. I just simply watch, if I don't like, I ignore. They won't get my money or emotional investment. It's all a waste of time to me. I got baited into the assassins creed drama, and its a whole waste of time. I had to step back and realize, these people are not going to change their minds regardless of truths, and the people who are against it are just wasting their time , staying mad, and getting easier mad on other things. Just don't buy it, and ignore it.
@@yummychips_ I would say then that you have far better emotional intelligence than me and generally just the average person. Attachments is what cause average people to not efficiently deal with it as you described. I, personally, won't be able to do that because I tend to try and inhale copium whether it be for games or for human connections. I tend to hope out for the best, and there's also the fact of Sunk Cost Fallacy, which further prevents me, or just about most people from "letting go".
"Fine" and "in order to play this I need to pretend this is not a dragon age game" coming from someone who was in BG3 and gave it high praises hurts a little. Yet so many people are praising it and saying how this gameplay footage elevated the game for them is crazy.
Thats exactly why comment about appealing to the tourist is 100% correct. Asmon was so off, they making a game to appeal to the non DA fan, knowing the DA fans will at minimum want to try the game out
It's not crazy. I don't want understand why people are so self-centered that they can't comprehend the fact that other people who probably didn't play or like dragon age origins, which is what most of the people who are complaining about this game praise. Maybe the people who like this game started at Inquisition. I honestly I hate people, I hate that people can't for 2 seconds think about something from someone else's perspective. Think about this for a second. My first dragon age game was 2. I also played a rogue. Most of my game play. I didn't need to go into tactical mode. I did sometimes but mainly I just played it like an action game and I had a blast doing so. Dragon age Inquisition comes out and it's more of the same but even more leaning towards action combat. This point every dragon age game I've played has been played like an action RPG for the most part. Then I try to play origins and I can't get past certain fights without using the tactical mode and I don't have fun playing origins. How do you think that person would feel when they see the veil guard gameplay?
So (as a non dragon age player), they basically pulled a fallout 4 Except it is even worse; because it is as if fallout 4 was made by sewer slide squad devs I bet the next game will be dragon age 76
Fair to say it's a game. It's just not a Dragon Age game, it's just some other game wearing the skin of Dragon Age. It would be like if I remade 50 shades of grey and said let's give the guy a M4 and drop him into the jungle behind enemy lines to save the girl and still call it 50 shades of grey. I couldn't be surprised that the original fans didn't show up and support my movie. So as long as the people over at EA and Bioware don't start complaining about the Dragon Age fanbase for not supporting it when they decided they wanted a different fanbase. Fine for them to do that, I just don't want to see them blaming Dragon Age fans if they don't like it. They could have called this game something like "The Veil" and it could easily be it's own IP, but of course they are going to capitalise on the Dragon Age name. (All the while being a company that's probably full of devs who complain about capitalism.)
I don´t agree on that, it has everything a Dragon Age game except origins had. It´s more like that after Origins nobody liked the Dragon Age games because they were not dark themed anymore.
To be fair you can say the same about Baldurs Gate 3. It's a good game, but it is not a good baldurs gate. It starts with the most obvious point that BG was never a turn based game. The game received pretty hard critics when it went into EA, which most people seem to have forgotten. it was not even hyped as such a big deal early last year when everyone was talking about Hogwarts Legacy, D4 and Star Field.
Bioware haven't made CRPGs in 20 years, how is this a surprise? Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition were both action-RPGs. It's literally what the people that actually play their games want.
What made me love DA:Origins was the scene early in the game where you do the grey warden ritual. Really set the tone and what to expect from the game.
Many people played DA during their childhood, like I did when I was 14-15 years old. Despite the violence and complex themes, the game captivated me. Fifteen years have passed since the release of the first part, and the game's audience has grown older and more solvent. We all eagerly awaited the new installment... But either Bioware or EA decided that it was a good idea to make the game more accessible, simpler, and more child-friendly to attract an even larger audience. In doing so, they alienated the loyal fans who were left disappointed. It's strange for me to comprehend this because the game has a relatively high entry threshold in terms of its plot, which is one of its strong points. As a result, we end up with an old audience that is dissatisfied with the gameplay and visual aspects of the game, and a new audience that doesn't understand what's going on and will likely stop playing after 5-10 hours. Some say this is the evolution of the series, but I would call it sabotage. The developers aimed to please everyone, but in the end, they pleased no one.
@@ferwind Yes, and I have no issues with third-person action. When I talk about "different" gameplay, I mean that DA has always positioned itself as a party RPG. All the games, including Inquisition, had a distinct party gameplay, although they differed from each other. In Veilguard, however, we were shown a "gameplay reveal" that didn't really show much gameplay. A level 1 character, without companions, and through the UI, it's visible that there will be 2 companions instead of the usual 3. All they showed us is that the game focuses on the main character with no combat interaction with the party.
@armannazluyan8968 yeah that's true, they've gone the ME2/3 route. I guess I'm personally less bothered by it since I always focused mainly on my character anyways but I understand why it's disappointing for others. I just hope we still get to customize their equipment, skills, levels, ect.
@@WC-PO Where did I say that I only love one game? I said that I was playing the Dragon Age series since my childhood, not specifically Origins. There was a misunderstanding. I've happily played through all three games more than once. I consider myself a loyal, long-time fan, but that doesn't mean I have to love everything the developer releases. I'm aware of Twitter and Reddit. Some people like it, some don't. However, the difference in likes and dislikes on gameplay shows that many players' expectations weren't met. Ten years is a long time. It's fair that many expected something more than just a generic third-person fantasy action game.
"In doing so, they alienated the loyal fans who were left disappointed." Which loyal fans do you presume to speak for? I played Origins back when it came out and I've been a diehard, loyal fan ever since. I loved DA2 and Inquisition and I'm excited as hell for Veilguard. Am I somehow not a "real" fan?
The line "People Die all the time, It's what they do!" - is stolen from Sherlock Homes - Moriarty - As Asmon always stays - Stealing gives you the best lines.
Is it really? If their best writing is just ripping off of other writers, it'll be a bad time. I'm even surprised Solas was that empathetic, honestly. I expected something more along the lines of 'a necessary evil'.
"I'm going to do my best to like it." Uuueeeewwggghhh. Dude, why are people wasting their time and effort forcing themselves to like garbage. How did we get to this point?
@@CoreyAdolfi No one,if the story is enjoyable,and sadly that's a big if. I'll happily eat my own words if i'm wrong,but considering who's making the game,don't expect people to just be optimistic about it.
@@agraiell5048not really, he's a game reviewer and lover of all rpgs's and wants to give the game a chance before he completely shits on it. He's not like the kids who're so used to calling everything shit and not getting a good experience from something that's "possibly" shit.
Funny how Bioware made Dragon age 2 and Inquisition more action-based and flashy because they wanted to appeal to a wider audience and earn more money. And yet Baldur's gate 3 sold more copies than DA2 and Inquisition combined.
I put like 80 hours into finishing the last Dragon age, inquisition. I really like that game. I had a lot of fun playing it. I’ve never totally understood all the hate the game receives. When it came out, it won multiple game of the year awards and everybody loved it. I guess it’s just one of those games that people evolved into hating for whatever reason, but as a fan of that game after seeing this trailer. I don’t know what the hell this new game is but it’s not anything that interest me.
I don't think DAI is hated, just considered to be not as good as the older games. For me personally they did a lot of things I didn't like with the characters so overall as an RPG I don't like it as much as origins or 2. From what I understand the perception around inquisition is similar to 2 - mixed. 2 is bad in a lot of ways but does some good things too, and in my view that's exactly the same deal with inquisition. OK games overall, they just don't live up to origins for me.
It had a great combat/graphics engine but the writing wasn't as good as the first two. It was just "okay" there where the other two were standout with companion characters/dialogue.
The only thing missing from that trailer was Sabotage by The Beastie Boys. It was so not Dragon Age. Dragon Age Origins was inspired by Game of Thrones. It was dark and gritty. There were moments of levity, sure, but the overall tone was Game of Thrones with more classic fantasy elements. Grey Wardens are cursed warriors who are doomed for a short life that, best case scenario, ends with you marching into enemy territory for the honor of dying fighting. There is no happily ever after for them. This cutesy Guardians of the Galaxy/Suicide Squad vibe does not fit.
It's funny, because this is kind of giving me Game of Thrones season 8 vibes. Lol. Or even earlier, if you were a book reader watching the show. The show writers had 5 books with amazing material to work with, but after season 2 they couldn't resist trying their own hand at writing new and "improved" material for the show. Same with this game. The writers/developers just couldn't resist putting a new spin on the game to make things more interesting for themselves, while actually making everything that much worse.
@@viron6734 I know. It was inspired by the books. I just said Game of Thrones instead of A Song of Ice and Fire because more people know that title. Grey Wardens = Night's Watch. Darkspawn = White Walkers. In Origins, you're basically the last of the Night's Watch trying to unite the factions against the White Walkers while the nobles ignore the real threat and fight a civil war over the throne that you need to resolve before you can unite everyone against the real threat.
Inquisition sold better than both previous games combined so it’s not a surprise they doubled down in this direction. Even if you or I feel they got it right in Origins, the dollar bills say otherwise and that’s prob what they’re following
I think you're half right. There is no formula for success. You can't simply 'repeat' a 'formula', especially in a piece of media, and expect the same results. You must always iterate on your work and incorporate new ideas in a new product, even if that product is a sequel to an existing work. But there's a difference between innovation and re-imagining. Innovation means that you are improving on something. That's when sequel branding makes the most sense; 'new and improved.' Re-imagining is the difference Asmon brought up with McDonalds serving Pizzas and Tacos instead of Hamburgers- it's shifting your product to something entirely new. It's fine to pick one or the other; not every company has to go down a specific path. But it's important (especially in advertising) to manage expectations. Don't call your pizza a hamburger. You're just going to confuse and upset both people who like hamburgers, and people who like pizzas. Bioware (or any game dev) is more than free to take the money they earned from one project and make a new, different project. It's just bad business to market your new thing with the same name as the old thing. At best it's ignorant of what your brand has come to mean, and at worst it's cashing out the value your brand has for money- there's some potential there for short-term monetary return but it's incredibly short-sighted and foolish. You will make far more money far more sustainably if you make a good product that people want rather than rely on tricking people into buying a product they don't.
Anger is a sign that you care immensely about something. Depression is when you've given up hope about something. Cohh's views on DA seems depressed to me, there's no point in being angry because there's no hope it'll turn around to become great.
@@TigonIII his rendition of Kiryu was absolutely awful. Luckily I play in Japanese anyway, and Takaya Kuroda is significantly better. Kinda sad he put more effort into a voice acting role for a movie, rather than a legacy character that he claimed he dreamt about voice acting for
You're confusing depressing with apathy, they are not mutually exclusive terms, being genuinely depressed about a game means you should probably go outside it's not that serious it's just a game yo. 😭💀
First time I played DA2, I thought it was trash. Then I replayed it, and realized it was actually okay. It has some major criticisms, but the reason I hated it first playthrough was because I played it after Origins, and that made me expect so much more from it. I feel similarly about DA:I. I think compared to other fantasy RPGs, they are both pretty good games. Compared to Origins, especially 2, just didn't hold up for me. Maybe this will be a good game in its own right, but I would really like it to be a good game compared to Origins. There are a few things that have me slightly hopeful - including Harding, a fan favorite, adding in backgrounds, similar to the origin system (though apparently not as in depth, which was an epic part of Origins). Everything else, including the issues they had during development and changing the direction of the game has be wary though.
Dragon Age 2 is an amazing game crushed by ridiculously short dev time. It was an unfortunate preview of what would be to come with Mass Effect 3. The story suffered and many assets were reused. However playing Sarcastic Hawke was a blast. The deadpool/jacksparow-esque attitude juxtaposed with the ridiculously dark world building is super entertaining. Best chaotic neutral character I ever played in an RPG, a leader that collect a posy of freaks just because he find them interesting and that is so good at being a murder hobo that he that he climbs to the top of society. The game was rushed but at least its short, episodic (mass effect 2 style) and its pretty dense in content. You go from mission to mission really fast and they all have voice acted dialogue, and it rarely feel too much like cheap filler. In contrast, Inquisition might be considered a better game in many aspect but it as that modern gaming bloat. Open world for no reason, dumb timegated bullshit, boring busy work sidequests. I could never bring myself to play a second playthrough.
This. I'm so tire of this loser mentality. It's not our job to try and like something as hard as we can. It's their job to make something that we'll like. If you keep buying garbage they will keep selling it. It's OK to admit when something doesn't live up to the standards of a franchise. You can still be a fan and call something shit. In fact, fans have the best perspective to know when a franchise has veered off course.
Yeah, let's go tell SA victims that too while we're at It 🙄 Let's go tell an old man "it's ok to get robbed, you probably didn't need that thing or money in the first place".
It doesn’t look like dragon age, it doesn’t play like dragon age, it doesn’t even sound like dragon age. Baldurs Gate 3 is closer to origins and Inquisition than Veilguard, rip dreadwolf plotline
I don't understand why people are surprised, they have been trying to make it into an action game since dragon age 2 they just didn't have the know how to do it earlier, you could see them learning and moving more towards it, I don't really have a problem with it I'm just interested in the lore of dragon age so I kept buying it but the people that didn't kept buying the games, doesn't matter if you speak up you had to hurt them where it hurts and that's money but you bought it nontheless so now here you have it
As a dragon age fan myself, I'm actually excited for this game and think it looks great, this guy seems like another Origins Purist who honestly need to grow up and move on.
@@HeirofAether 250k👎 to 40k 👍 yeah sure buddy I'm sure it will find a player base but not with those who stuck with it for years and FYI I started with inquisition was lost on a lot of things wanted to know more and stated from the beginning so origins purists no lol I just want good games if you took dragon age out of the title I would not care about this game plus you have there dei employees getting exposed I don't want that stuff forced down my throat through things I enjoy
DA: Inquisition also had the “tactical camera” that would pause combat, give you an aerial view of the team, and you could switch between characters to issue specific commands. IIRC, in the harder difficulties the tac cam would give the aerial view but combat wouldn’t pause. Even in base combat, you could switch between the characters if you wanted to fight using a teammate. You could also set “behaviors” for all characters, like “how much missing HP before potion use”, aggressive or defensive stances, preferred skills, mana/stamina drain limits before skill use stops, all that stuff. I didn’t see any of that in these trailers. They made it seem like you just control the main character and your teammates are just kinda like Skyrim followers who do their own thing. I hope I’m wrong, I hope the combat remains similar, I hope the writing doesn’t suck, I hope a lot of things. Time will tell. If recent examples of EA and BioWare are anything to go by though… not promising…
I remember hearing things about Dragon Age that was depressing. Origins was expected to fail. They thought the game was already outdated with an old engine and what not but it was a hit. They rushed out 2 using the remains of a canceled game to launch it. Third game you had EA make Frostbite engine uniform across the board for all their games and Frostbite was not built for an RPG. This series just cant catch a break.
Yeah, dragon age was never a good game which is sad because world of the game is amazing, eventhough they are clearly trying to force on you their way of thinking instead of actually giving you a good choice of the sides
17:59 You know what this trailer *really* did? It made people look back fondly on Dungeon Siege III (the one Obsidian was contractually obligated to make).
They went from the best RPG creator from the late 90's through to the early 2010's. The falloff of the last 10 years and EA whoring BioWare out to industry trends is just sad. All the talent fled that hellhole of greed. Nothing produced by EA is trustworthy.
Both Mario Judah and Bioware are in the same place right now my boy, in the lions belly being digested soon to be plopped out on the floor and left behind forgotten
It's so fun that Dreadwolf was redeveloped into this bullshit because there were no sufficient possibilities to add live-service-purchases to it, it's even official, you can check it out even on the wikipedia page for it.
This is why I feel anger towards this game. What upsets me, is the fact that we are served this slop then people do not understand when very few people buy it. Forces down the throats of consumers by corporations that do not care about the game or the fans. And then still some people will ho and spend their money on this nonsense.
This gameplay disappointed me more than the trailer itself. This is what happens when publishers try to cater to an audience that doesn't even like their games.
Oh, as someone who is in their Discord and Reddit, many LOVE it. It's more of a loud minority fanboyism. It gets to that weary consumer thing, where they're just eating up *everything.* Some are just creepy, like "We have Asians elves!" and "No straight companions, everyone is Pan!" When someone give a fair criticism, it gets shut down with "Just play DAO" "This game isn't for you" or "Far-Right troll."
@@traiforse5777 I think not liking the new approach and prefer something more “turn based” (not that it was ever a hard turn based crpg though) it’s pretty valid.
Funny how he was trying so hard not to lose his temper. You could feel the struggle while he was trying really hard to convince himself it was not that bad
I got dragon age origins and viva piñata for Christmas when I was a kid, first off Viva Piñata is incredible and criminally underrated but dragon age origins is a defining game for me, it was one of the first games that made me feel like a grownup as a kid, the dialogue was serious, the violence felt real in the sense that it wasn't someone exploding into a mist of blood and bone and flesh when they were killed but instead it was them slowly dying on the ground with a knife in their stomach as they groaned to death and asked something of the player before they went, the game had genuine hard moral choices and characters that I will remember probably until the day I die in the sense of what their stories mean and how I would implement that sort of story into any pieces of fiction I might write myself, Dragon Age Origins was not a game about tits or explosions or flashy combat, it was a game about a dark depressing world where everywhere you go you see the darkness of this world and you and your crew go around making things better in realistic, complicated and uncomfortable ways but things do get better
Let me explain you something using comparative method. Qunari female in Tevinter could be easily compared to american woman chilling in Tokyo during '43 or Russian woman chilling in Berlin in '43. They would instantly flay her alive and use her horns as ornaments for chair. 'Luckily' such things won't happen in new DA since its made for modern audience
If they didn't put a Qunari in the game, people would be using that as a negative point. BioWare can't win no matter what they do. People are on a hate bandwagon. I don't trust majorities anymore. Remember when everyone said starfield was going to be amazing ??
@@zhongxina9832 Like yeah, that would be awesome, however I'm still failing to see what it would add to the story that is being finished from Trespasser.
@@Pickle_Maniac yep. I recognised it immediately. So not only is the dialogue shit, the story is written by hacks. And the VA sounds like it was recorded in the closet at home during COVID.
@@eme117 No. This early Solas stuff was probably written 5+ years ago. I reckon Solas will be defeated midway through only to be replaced by somebody badderer and meanerer. Subverting expectations of course.
I think this is the same old crap. I know it's still Bioware developping it, but it screams of "I want to make my own thing but I'll use a popular existing IP to do it rather than make a brand new IP"
I just need the story to stay on its course. The amount of time that has passed since Trespasser DLC has always had me more and more worried. Hearing those voices again really pulls on the heart strings for me...dont diminish the characters and keep the story and character arcs consistent and loyal to the characters and I think a few flashy changes can be forgiven. I have loved all of the games so far and I dont play other Single Players either besides Mass Effect and recently Cyberpunk. Aside from that its some PvP games and 3-5 Full Dragon Age series playthroughs every single year for me. If I am not playing Dragon Age i am rereading fanfictions about it as I do believe I have read every single fanfiction of Dragon Age of note that has thus far been on the internet. I am a hopeless Dragon Age addict most likely and I have enjoyed and loved every second of this journey. I am a bit nervous....but I will give it a chance.
I think the direction they went with lighting and fogging was NOT the style the person who made the city/area was going for. This looked like you were walking into a batman&Gotham style city right away, but it felt off. It was not that off to start but only got worse the further into the city they went. They should have made it grittier so the light points stood out more, just hire a damned artist who makes stuff you are going for to overlook all this stuff ffs. Why fail so hard on style/mood when you can not fail on it? Could honestly just pick a college kid with artwork you like and pay them like 35k/year.
This is what happens when you hire people who have don't play games and have no interest in them and simply come to their "3D Environmentalist" job 9-5 monday to friday and then go home to pursue their hobby of bird watching or something. No one good in this industry treats this stuff as a 9-5. Creative pursuits as a job has to be your whole life.
You're seeing the effect of AI creeping into the industry. Less money for artistic talent = more money for shareholders - but only if the game makes a profit.
Things felt more advance than what dragon age's timeline is set in. Dragon always made their homes and spacing of said homes feel like villages because the rough timeline is like 1800s to VERY early 1900s at max. The close living quarters in the way we see it in the video is a product of modern age (building on top of one of another}, even the Romans and Greeks had more house spacing despite having decent infrastructure and building near each other for their villages when we look into the past of how buildings and homes were set up. This version of Dragon Age felt like a modern day harry potter game and Harry Potter is set in the 80s to mid 90s Max so it made sense for things to be the way they were. The neon "magic" signs felt very cyber punky rather than magical. Even the one lady who had this weird metal leg piece felt very modern in it's design choice. I'm not saying she should have a wooden peg leg but how you design things including things like how you design what a character will replace their missing leg with also sets tone for the setting. A pirate having a weird mechanical leg tells me either he/she knows someone super advance or the setting of the world is more advance. The lady in the trailer having this super sleek modern peg leg design ontop of the magic "neon" signs tells me this area is more advance than any other setting in dragon age which makes ZERO sense because even the queen you meet in inquisition and her patrons don't have access to this type of sleek design stuff (remember they are supposed to be rich and elite class of people so they DEF could afford it )and yet the place in the video does and most of people don't even seem rich. It can make one curious about the setting you see but you can see that it's out of touch for the past dragon age games even inquisition.
He sounds like he is coping more than anything. "Well maybe some quests and writing could be good, you never know." The game will be dogshit, how gamers don't have pattern recognition at this point is crazy.
This mentality that "games are art so we can't tell artists what to do" is so stupid. Video games are not art, they CAN be art, but thats only the special ones. Before being art they're just a product for entertainment, so the customers absolutely can say what they want or not want.
Dragon age origins is such a fantastic game, finished it last year and that was the true AAA CRPG game from the early 2000's . Man i wish some big publishers gives a dev that kind of budget like baldurs gate and give us a proper dragon age game.
This is how I feel when I saw DMC Devil May Cry trailer after being a fan of DMC series since day one in PS2 and was hoping for DMC5 after DMC4 release in PS3 ERA Thank god Capcom listen and give us DMC5 a decade later but man, the franchise almost died there
This is definitely similar situation, but id say this is worse. The DmC reboot ONLY delayed the progress of the main DMC and In the end it worked out good cause dmc5 was a blast. But with DA now its screwed forever, there wont bé a remake for DA4. If the game doesnt sell enough DA night never see another game. If they made Veilguard as its own spinoff, at least they could risk a DA4 later, but now its too late.
Asmon completely misunderstood what he was saying about the delivery of the script lol regardless, the game looks about as washed out as can be. Sure, the person playing the demo was trash, but the demo itself was entirely uninspiring. There was nothing that happened that gave me a single moment of hype. And the boss fight being a normal enemy with a big health bar is a big wtf moment. Im glad Inquisition was my last DA. Nothing but good memories
Personally the combat mechanics looks nothing different but the animation and upgraded graphics and entirely different style. And there was absolutely nothing exciting.
@@cursedshadow That caught my eye as well. If I remember correctly only place where you saw one of those early was the harrowing for the mage character.
The problem is everyone is walking into chilli's after they changed to all vegan options and only like 10% of people are walking out. Everyone else is so desperate for something good they eat the shit and then complain its shit... meanwhile chilli's is doing just fine because they only lost 10% of a constantly growing customer base. So who knows if they even lost at all.
I think things are changing. There have been AAA games flopping so hard that the dev studios are getting shut down. That doesn't sound like losing 10% of their audience to me.
No offense to the dude, but when he literally says "this looks nothing like Dragon Age" then "but I'm gonna buy it anyway" in the same breath, he's part of the problem. Reward mid games, you get more mid games as a result. 😹
I had waited a decade for the next Dragon Age, been a fan since the beginning, played the TTRPG, got a Grey Warden tattoo. And after Inquisition, I have waited patiently for this and this is what I got. So long Dragon Age.
Dragon Age: Origins is one of my favorite video games of ALL TIME. They massacred our boy... This makes DA2 look like an amazing RPG, and that game was SCOLDED when it came out for being a farcry from Origins
Da2 was made in very short anount of time and bcs of this there was copy pasted everything and it felt unfinished but there was still soul in it. And characters were great.
Cohh saying "we don't owe them anything" is baffling my brain. So we're supposed to get slop and just stand there and buy it ? "consume product then get ready for next product .vid", because that's what it sounds like. No..WE the customers dictate who gets our money and what games get popular based of our purchasing decisions and how the market shifts not anyone else. How does Cohh not see this?
My dude. How do you not understand that "we don't owe them anything" means PRECISELY that you don't owe them your money? What's baffling about that phrase????
5:35 it is incredibly ironic how Asmon explains a combat system that is a hybrid between real-time and pause time when that *is* what the other dragon age games were.
@@CaffyPvPI don’t think this assumption is correct at all. DA-I you could choose to play either ways, there is a screen shot of DA4 where you can see your companions skills in the skill menu as well as yours.
He talked about pause combat to change characters and use items. Super weird for you to put words in his mouth when we can all see what he actually said. Incredibly ironic.
@@StoneCorazon so you able to do that in DA-I. Are we sure you can’t do that in DA-4? I know pc pause was different than console but it put you in tactical mode. I think that is what he was expressing. There is a ton of stuff not shown in the gameplay trailer that is actually in game like dmg numbers which asmongold questioned. As someone who tested the game he was incorrect about a lot of stuff but to be fair they only showed so much.
Origins combat was what I would describe as tactical RPG squad based combat, but you could just put your companions on auto (including setting their AI to respond differently in different circumstances and roles including setting up actions to take in specific circumstances). The combat in Origins was incredibly deep and complex if you chose to explore it, with multiple ability interactions across classes. Such as a rogue using a trap to set a grease puddle then a mage lighting it on fire, a mage freezing an enemy then another mage shattering it with a different spell, or a rogue shattering it with a special archery technique or a warriors shield bash. My first RPG was Baldur’s Gate, and I love tactical combat in games. I think Dragon Age Origins is one of my top 5 games of all time, but I’m not excited for Veilguard. We will have to see if the games storytelling and writing is strong enough to carry it, but I’m not convinced.
Pathfinder Wrath of The Righteous would be it. One of my favorite party-based cRPGs which I persoanlly put higher than DAO, on the same level with BG2. Played that game for 300+ hours.
THIS! my hope was non existing. I hated anthem, andromeda and even inquisition wasnt that good. I knew this company is dead but fuck... I think there was some little spark of hope in my heart bcs this still broke me. Idk man... Its Just sad to see.
Oh you poor soul... you really think that Bioware has any say in what games they make? They do what EA tells them to do. If EA doesn't want to make a DAO remaster than it doesn't matter if the studio that made the original exists or not.
@@JasonSchwartz51580 DA2 gameplay is bad but the characters are interesting. DA:I is kind of weird, a lot of it story-wise is mid but combat-wise is actually pretty interesting because of how certain classes/actions interact with each other like rift mages being able to combo the shit out of stuff infinitely, champion shenanigans, rogues having a pretty active gameplay loop and so forth. I agree with you in the sense that origins is the only one that really fits the "great classic RPG" bill but DA2 and DAI were still good games overall IMO because they both managed to do something well which helps with dealing with the meh/bad parts.
"Start as you mean to go on" is a saying for a good reason. I feel like Cohh is trying to reconcile his love of DA:O with what he probably foresees as the future of Dragon Age in the newest entry. He's hopeful that one day there'll be another Dragon Age game like Origins in the DA series. I'm fairly certain there won't be, anytime soon, possibly not within his lifetime. This bears a close resemblance to the current trajectory of the Star Wars franchise under Disney.
When fans of a game franchise are depressed rather than angry about bad quality, it means they're losing interest. They're losing hope, which is worse than being angry.
The worst thing a game could be is bland. A good or bad game will at least give you some sort of reaction.
"Apathy is death"
I lost hope 10 years ago so now I'm just laughing. This is exactly how I imagined DA4 would end up being
Apathy is worse than anger. It's how I feel about Star wars to I don't care enough to hate it anymore Iam just done and over it.
Its what i did with WoW. Stopped playing when i realised the path it was going. If i kept playing it i would eventually start hating the game and i didn't want to hate a game that gave me so many fun moments.
you know it's bad when a game fan finishes watching a trailer or gameplay from a franchise they like and then sighs rather than being hyped.
He's part of the problem he will play the game he's disappointed in because of its name
@@Jjosh9424because it's how they make a living?
@@Jjosh9424 And aside from that, the thing about not trying to cater to a new audience (not saying it's good or bad, but looking at it objectively) the thing about people in their mid 30s (what would be the age group of people that played DA growing up) will significantly reduce because a lot of them have other responsibilities that prevent them from picking up the game and throwing at it 50, 80, 100 or whatever hours necessary.
The reason baldur's gate 3 was so successful it's not just because it was a very good sequel to baldurs gate 2, but because it was also an attractive game to new audiences, and this is what they may try to do with the new DA, as to wether it will be successful or not, we can't tell now since only the trailer is out, but I can see the reasoning behind it. None of the people who are big fans of DA will not play it, just because of the tone shift, but a lot of new players may pick it up if it looks interesting and polished, and if the game is pretty damn good, the original audience will really have no complains aside the tone shift.
@@Jjosh9424I agree, I'm so tired of this trend of "X game is bad, but I am going to to play it anyway"
@@TheShitpostExperience and what BG3 proved is those people in their 30s WILL FIND A WAY TO play that one game.
Who are we to demand? My brother in Christ they’re asking us to pay. They aren’t putting it out for free. If you want me to pay it needs to do what I want it to do.
they're not forcing people to buy the game though. if the game is on a kickstarter funding, then we can demand something from them. otherwise, we just need to accept what's becoming of the game and just be critical about it.
Well that’s just dumb. Guess I’ll buy CIV7 and the be outraged when I don’t get a soulsborne game instead.
You shouldn't accept, if you don't like it. That's the whole point. You accept only if yu personally like it and not lick boots, because they tell you to. @@yememaharrison8460
You’re wrong he’s right
@yememaharrison8460 oh they'll call you all sorts of -ists and phobes if you don't buy it though.
"How does it feel to have lived long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames?"
(Sarcastic) "Feels great."
It's sad mate
“This is fine” 🔥🔥
Nah not all of them.
@@AtlisDe Yet*
communism only knows how to corrupt and destroy to spread its message
"Ill do my best to like it" is the sad reality to any new titles for old franchises
I maintain at least that Bethesda games are still the same buggy, bad shit crazy messes with awesome modding groups, they have always been. Im not sure, why Starfield got such a bum wrap, when its just Skyrim in space. But yeah, everything else went down hill.
@@carbagehealthi think it was mainly because starfield is a new IP.. whereas skyrim had a bunch of fans of previous games.. also many of my friends resented starfield as being the cause of delay for next elder scrolls.. its a game "no one asked for"
Zelda Tears of the Kingdom? Mario Wonder? Both bangers.
@@carbagehealthThe way Skyrim went from being beloved to hated in 10 years is exactly what's going to happen with Elden Ring. Neither game deserves it, but that's how it is.
sunk cost fallacy for games
Devs can definitely do whatever they want .. and I can decide it's crap and not buy it.
Or just play a pirate copy.
Yeah I know people in US dont do that.
@@Neyenn Not worth pirating unless HEAVILY modded.
@@ricardokojin7 True. Personally, im from South America so I barely bought an actual game ever. Thinking fast, Cyberpunk77 was the only game I bought
Exactly. One line from the video that gets me. "Game are art, who are we to demand devs make art we want to look at"
Answer: the people paying them to make the art.
@@SerfinBird People paying them to make the art are the management/producers/investors, not us. Our money decides if we get to look at the "art" they produce, but in the end, WE aren't the ones paying them to make anything, unless you directly invested in the development either by owning stocks in the company, being an actual investor or it's a kickstarter campaign/patreon sub/whatever and you directly paid for the funding. Carnage is right: we don't get to demand what the devs can and can't make. We're not entitled to what they make. We're not karens walking into a burger shop demanding a pizza. However, what we can do, is look at that burger shop, decide it's not for us and walk away. If they start losing money because burger shop 4.0 isn't as good as burger shop 2.0 or burger shop 1.0, then it's their decision to change it up and appeal to the customers of those 2 burger shops. If they do, great! If they don't, well, sucks for them.
Getting really tired of this modern mindset of, "I GUESS I'll buy it..." Dude, it's ok to not participate in something.
Exactly, how about not give money to devs who refuse to give the consumer what they want. Or just expect this nonsense
well at the end of the day Cohh and Asmon are gonna stream and make videos out of the game for content so of course they will try it out
THIS! FUCKING THIS!!
Sequel fatigue is real though. Both games and movies are failing to get the same numbers because people dont get excited by established ips as much anymore.
Give it time and the industry will be forced to change or strangle itself.
I will buy it because I think it looks good
Don't be so pushy guys, they only had 10 years 🤣
It's only been cancelled 3 times and restarted in that timeline lol
Red flags from the start
Where do people get 10 years from? BioWare doesn’t just make one IP
Fumbled Anthem, fumbled Mass Effect Andromeda, wonder if they continue this downfall
@@ShadowAngel7Development started in 2015 after the last inquisition dlc was released.
Longer than that
The last good dragon as was origins, thebother two games were trash
It's 2024 and I'm still playing Origin. Tactical chess-esque combat and super dark LotR-homage fantasy WAS the foundation of the franchise.
They managed to outdone Dragon Age 2 with trying to turn it into action game. At least the 2 still have a modicum of tactic left in it.
The 2nd game won't be the most hated one anymore, I guess.
Man if you think Dragon Age is "dark" or that LOTR is "dark" that pretty wild. They're both PG high fantasy. Also, if you think it's "chess-like", lol. It's an action RPG with pause, just like KOTOR. Any D&D game, like NWN2 is far more tactical.
@@joshfoss7407 also have you even read the extended works of Tolkien? Is incest, murder, torture, abuse, and self unaliving PG to you? Bruh. And yeah, Origins on the highest difficult does have chess combat. Character positioning matters massively, tactical crowd control matters massively, tell me you've only played Inquisition without telling me you've only played Inquisition.
@@Trance2400 Yes, I have. PG-13 maybe. "Dark" fantasy is almost exclusively reserved for worlds of despair, depravity and horror. I would consider Bloodborne or Lies of P to be dark fantasy games. Dragon Age is just standard High fantasy - no different than atypical D&D campaign.
Character positioning and crowd control doesn't equal chess. Every fantasy MMORPG has that. Every crpg in history has that. Baldur's gate 1/2, Icewind Dale 1/2, Arcanum, NWN2,Fallout 1/2, and hundreds of others. Those games are all far more tactical than DAO. No one calls WoW "chess-Like because it has CC and positioning matters. That's just a really basic gameplay element.
I've played every single Dragon age campaign and dozens of crpgs going back tot he early 90s. You DAO fanboys act like they invented some new genre of RPG. In reality, it was just a fantasy themed KOTOR with a much weaker story, characters, and mechanics. Don't get me wrong, it was very decent. But it wasn't half as tactical as NWN2. Bioware's strength is playing to the mid-level action combat RPG, Mass Effect 2/3/Andromeda, DA2/DA3, Jade Empire all play fairly similarly and that's been Bioware's bread and Butter for 14 years now. Stuff liek KOTOR and DAO are never, ever coming back at BioWare. Best get on with it and enjoy great games.
@@joshfoss7407 DAO was NWN3, even the voices and sounds were the same. They just simplified it a bit more and made you pay for DLC from day 1.
Dragon age origins essentially turned me from a call of duty fanboy to someone in love with single player rpg type games. I had NO idea back then that itd be the pinnacle of the genre for the next 12+ years:/
never play the witcher 3?? i think its the best. by far
@lancenelson6229 Yeah, I've played it. I guess it probably is better, but it came out like 5 years after and other than that, still hasn't been an rpg of origins level to scratch that it. I kinda forgot about the Witcher. I still like origins better as an rpg, though.
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The lore of witcher can't compare honestly, it's better on technical terms though but the main plot of witcher 3 is bad i enjoyed the whole 3 crones in the forest way more than the ciri and wild hunt quest line. Dragon Age for me though has the best setting and lore, like the whole chantry and Tevinter gig and the veil and spirits, the elven gods that are actually not gods, Mythal, Andraste and Flemeth being one, all this esoteric, dark, ancient lore of Dragon Age is for me peak fiction and better than anything Tolkien wrote.
Origins got me into CRPGs. I only played games like BG3, Wasteland 3, , Pillars of Eternity, Pathfinder and Warhammer 40k Rogue trader because of it. Every time I get sad about Dragon Age I tell myself that at least the franchise presented me to many bangers that I would otherwise miss.
Try Drakensang it's an amazing game yet seems to be kinda forgotten.
Exactly the same for me, too. Now that I think about it, DA:O was my first CRPG as well. Looking forward to seeing what comes of New Arc Line this year.
You should try out the old infinity engine games like Baldurs gate 1 & 2 and Icewind Dale. They're great games 🤟
I really need to boot up Dragon Age Origins again. It's been a while!
Man of culture
@@Isus24-s8e I've never tried Drakensang, I'll have to check it out!
He was trying so hard not to say something so negative and just put it at fine out of 10. The struggle was palpable. 😆
He was struggling to cope like never before in his life.
@@Nurix09 I know what he's trying to say because every version of Dragon's Age has been treated as an experiment or training tool for another game. Dragon Age 2 was basically a tech demo for what Mass Effect combat would end up. Dragon Age inquisition was more Mass Effect light. It's never been developed as it's own game since Orgins.
That said you run any game with a level 1 character and combat is going to look try. Imagine if you got all your opinion of WOW from a level 1 character in the noob land with one combat skill.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if this game again is throwing out combat and mechanics for them to harvest into the next Mass Effect game. That's simply been the history of the product. Sacrifice Dragon Age so everyone loves Mass Effect later.
@@snooze821 That's absolutely possible since Mass Effect 4 (Second try, lmao) is also at development right now.
@@snooze821 I've been disappointed with every dragon age past origin. I still don't know how inquisition won game of the year... absolutely baffling.
Well he was clearly expecting similar to Origins and got instead similar to Inquisition, so yes that is probably the main reason for his disappointment. I just don't know why people still think they are going down the Origins route again when they clearly abandoned it already from DA2 and onwards.
I'm totally on the same page as Asmon. I think Cohh is being really nice and compromising. DA is dead. We get Suicide Failguard : Kill the Dragon Age instead.
Someday bioware will finally capture that Call of Duty Audience they've been chasing since 2011
An underaged and poinant comment. Well said.
Da2 marketing ptsd just came back. THANKS
I dont think they even want them any more. They would like the team hero shooter, live service kidies with parents with deep pockets. If this game sells well, were looking a sequel like that.
COD fans will see the color purple and run for the hills.
That day might never come, because if this game fails like MA: Andromeda and Anthem EA might close them down for good and Bioware will become just another studio in the long row of game studios killed by EA.
The face of all 40+ year old gamers realizing we're never getting a Dragon Age Origins type game again.
Good thing I’m just 36. Feels so good to be young
Im 30+ im there with u...
Well, I am grateful that I had the chance to play Dragon Age1 when it was first published. This was a one-of-a-kind game. It's probably impossible to repeat something like that.
Why 40+ lol dragon age isn’t that old.
@@yahhah3027 No, it’s because apparently old people cannot handle action.
This video is exactly why they keep getting away with doing crap like this. Ill still play it even though its a skin suit of the thing i like. Good lord.
People have been trained to believe that standards are wrong and that holding standards makes you "bad".
No standards consoomer society. Took a while to get here, but here we are.
nah dude just watch the cutscenes on youtube you have options.
To me the new dragon age looks like a borderlands tiny Tina dlc
That dlc was great!
Fr fr
Maybe, but i can guarantee the writing won't be as good nor the gameplay.
Funny you mention Borderlands and that DLC, because after that DLC, Borderlands got the treatment this game got to an extent. BL3 fell off in a lot of ways from BL2. Especially writing wise. That being said, the gameplay was fantastic. Weapon balancing was terrible, but the gunplay and movement was the best in the series by far. Tiny Tina's Wonderlands was pure garbage. The movie looks terrible with quite possibly the worst casting ever. And i have zero excitement for BL4 if it ever releases.
Much like this game and most western games made these days, it's made by activists. You can roll your eyes and reddit all over me if you want. But it's the truth and you know it. And it does nothing but HURT the game. In NO ways does it make it better. Just look at the female characters in BL1, TPS, and BL2 especially. Then look at them in BL3 and TTW... It's clear they went the uglification route. I remember thinking when BL3 was coming out that they must have all new artists and that these artists suck. Little did i know back then, that it was just because they hate straight men.
P U R P L E
E like the dungeons and bunkers game from borderlands that failed
“I’ve eaten this much crap that one more bite isn’t gonna hurt.”
Yes it is gonna hurt. It’s hurt every time before and it will continue *until you stop eating crap*
But he gets paid for eating it. that's why.
The overall vibe and character designs are so different that if they didn't show the Bioware logo at the start I wouldn't believe that it was made by them. In fact I wouldn't even believe that what I saw was a part of the Dragon Age IP.
Its like woke Disney DA
it isn't. old bioware is long gone. the only thing that remains is the name.
Aesthetically, this is the closest entry to origins. More set pieces instead of open world, and from the sounds of it, a world map, is closer to origins than inquisition. More cutscenes with player impact is also more origins centric. The combat and seemingly no loot system is possibly the furthest it’s been though. Each fight basically being a round arena with no obstacles or environmental hazards so it’s just spam attacks that are all just different colors of the same effect emitters is sad. It’s normally a bad sign to me when you collect healing uses from random jars, Ala god of war fashion, so that’s also a bad sign…
I would say, if inquisition is mass effect andromeda, then veil guard is mass effect 3, and everything kinda points in that direction. I hated 3, but I hated it less after playing andromeda, which I didn’t even finish. Inquisition disappointed me a lot, and it seems like veilguard will too, just not as much.
Im glad someone said it looks bad. Those graphics are basically Inquisition level. I mean, look at Baldur's Gate III, and you're telling me a supposedly AAA studio makes this after 10 years lol
So Dragon Age for people who don't like Dragon Age?
They want new people play DA
@@robabahanii4469 Well that approach worked for Star Wars, so what can possibly go wrong?
@@robabahanii4469By getting rid of everyone who already played and loved DA.
Absolutely genius.
Yes, pretty much.
It's Dragon Age for people who like Dragon Age. Dragon Age: Origins is for people who don't like Dragon Age tbh
DAO with BG3 style options/freedoms and narrative systems with the original hybrid combat and spell systems and art style modernized would have been an absolute money printer.
Bro it's on too. Larian has their OG IP and nailed it if DA comes out and it sucks bioware will be irrelevant. That's exactly what happened to simcity.
cohh: "games are art"
asmond: "games are burgers"
Cooking is a form of art.
Doesn't mean that everyone needs to like YOUR art.
So these are not exclusive statements.
I can make you a burger that tastes like a michelin star dish. So yeah.
Asmon is indeed a red blooded American brother
I'm on a burger side of gaming.
@@szysi3k they used to be art but they are starting to turn into burger.
whats the difference between an outstanding burger and art?
people complain about inquisition but I think DAO to DAI is a pretty consistent route - DAI is different, but still consistent in its world, aesthetics and writing. Now, this? What does Veilguard have in common with DA besides the title?
These people are being paid to think about what we want. Not only they fired everyone from older games, they completely destroyed the world by the trailers. There is nothing screaming dark fantasy about it
Consistent? Having mostly played with mages, I have remembered by heart the 4 cardinal rules of magic introduced in the first game.
Barely into DA2, enemy casters casually broke the teleportation rule and by the third, forget them!
@@mariomario-dy1kc my brother in Andraste, the rules became nule when the circle was disolved by the end of 2
@@yamid452 Those weren't rules, as in decided, those were the equivalent of our laws of physics, and as explained the only time in history someone managed to break one of those rules, at an insane cost, it tainted the citadel and created the darkspawn.
I like how this guy point out that if a VA does a bad job, it's the directors fault. I've seen good actors do both great and poor, and the difference is always the responsibility of the director.
"A game for everyone is a game for no one."
*Cough Cough* Resident Evil 6 *Cough Cough*
@@Kiryu_Kazuma01 I like that game - not nearly as much as other entries - but it is such a disjointed mess.
There is no such thing as a game for everyone
I used to play Origins endlessly. Over and over. Read through the codex multiple times. I was and still am invested. The story, characters, and worldbuilding was that good.
Me too, I've been obsessed by this game for years and years, kept playing it over and over ... I liked 2 but it wasn't as addictive as Origins, then Inquisition.. only finished it once and never played it again.....
@@zhongliimpact6220same. I still play origins and love 2 even though it’s not as good as origins. I played inquisition once and was done with it
@@zhongliimpact6220I loved the engine they made for Inquisition. I'd love to see KOTOR remake in that engine or more Dragon Age in that direction. The writing just wasn't even as good as 2's and there was a bit too much filler.
I got my ps3 down from the loft and re-installed DA Origins & DA 2
and boy when you watch the intros - man oh man what a difference
Damn good games.
2 was a massive con
@@gailforce The DLC helped a little
The bioware devs that made dragon age (brought us this source material, this lore)….. do not work at the company anymore and did not make veilguard.
Which you could say the bioware that brought us Dragon age no longer exist and hasn’t for a while.
You saw this happening with Mass Effect andromeda as well, but sticking to dragon age age, what you see is a loss of identity. What created dragon age and fascinated us and gives us our nostalgia and made dragon age successful were its priorities. Priorities that you see in origins that steadily shift with each new iteration.
I was a fan of the tactical RPG experience, but I’m not necessarily referring to just the combat systems necessarily .
I mean priorities in terms of that escape.
What modern day BioWare has been doing consistently has been integrating more and more focus/priority on relevancy. Social relevancy. And as as always the case, it’s not genuine care… It’s self-serving self seeking manipulative, attention and agenda, pushing.
But more than that, social relevancy has no place in escape because it is the polar opposite of escape. If you have a product that is meant to provide escape, but then you prioritize what is current and relevant… You just removed the damn escape. You’re not allowing for escape to even exist!
Dragon age is a mythical world that doesn’t exist in America or on earth. It is an imaginative planet, full of magic and dragons and races and demons and dark, spawn, rituals and witches, etc. and none of that has anything to do with modern day social relevancy.
It’s what made us latch on to dragon age origins because it was doing what entertainment does which is provide the consumer with escape. To a whole new place where everything you know is different. And with that you don’t have to focus on all the relevant things you know, the priority is Escaping all of that.
It’s why you higher creative artist in this industry to develop these imaginative creative experiences that allow consumers to escape their 24 seven routines and situations and life for a couple hours. It’s a break from all that shit a break from everything relevant.
Veilguard is the continued culmination of focus on exploiting profit through lazy, generalization and integrating, social cultural relevancy into it, turning it into someone’s glorified Twitter page. It’s attempting to make profit while also pushing a agenda Aka have their cake and eat it too.
And what we have far too often are consumers that have that nostalgic remembrance of a brand and so they justify an excuse and ignore these wrong priorities as they attempt to normalize what they’re seeing or experiencing. So instead of having consumer accountability to keep these wrong priorities out of these awesome Gaming experiences/escapes… Consumers far too often find themselves saying it is what it is and doing just about everything to ignore it and then reward it with access to their eyeballs and wallet. Which further incentivizes and reinforces to these decision makers that they can have these wrong priorities because ultimately consumers will, give them what they want.
Wrong priorities always produce bad results and if you put up with this cycle long enough, it will inevitably end in destruction. Do not excuse or ignore or incentivize wrong priorities.
Leave for social media is meant for social media and leave for entertainment/games what is meant for .
Always remember, you get the beast that you feed
Perfectly stated.
I completly disagree with Cohn's stance. Hes the target audiance. Its a sequal to a series. The dev SHOULD be catering to him. And they arent. You fully have the right to point that out and be dissapointed. Not every form of criticism is 'beeing angry' thats just bullshit modern media tries to pull. If he dident care he wouldnt even give it a look. They dont cater to their audiance (and made it pretty clear they dont) so I expect this to be a dumpster fire of a game.
Talent is gone in bioware.
yea well the developers behind the Original Mass Effect trilogy and the DA trilogy either got forced out or left the company on their own accord. Bioware is just like Rocksteady where the people working there have inherited beloved IPs but the far superior devs who worked on them are no longer at the company.
@@Vyperus69 And they got replaced with Activists that don't have any portfolio, except their Twitter Warrior Status, that would qualify them for these leading positions lmao
@@Vyperus69oooooooooh
So that's what happened. No fucking wonder 🙄
That explains a lot
I've actually been wondering what happened.
blame ea
They should rename themselves to Biowoke.
When a person reacts in the most "minimal" way similar to how Cohh did here, it means they are already in the phase of acceptance that their expectations are already at their lowest. It'd been better if he was angry, because that would mean he still is passionate enough to get pissed and genuinely want something to change. But when you're close to apathetic as this? It means you've already accepted the fact the game will potentially be trash.
Similar to how you treat people you hate. You begin by hating them, being reactive of everything they do you dislike. Eventually, you become detached and don't even react anymore. That's far worse than being angry at the person, because you have to understand: Being mad at something and still sticking with it means you have some sort of investment. And when you reach this point of acceptance that nothing will improve, you simply stop everything and let them be.
He has the same attitude towards this as I did with game series' like Assassin's Creed and Plants vs Zombies. I don't even look at whatever Ubisoft as a whole are making anymore, they're getting absolutely nothing from me. So I get the feeling that if this game turns out to be utter garbage then that'll be the end of it for this dude. He'll be done with it all after this, which is always soul crushing to be like that.
You've said it plain and simple, my friend. I agree. That's the problem with players and gamers nowadays, they're too complacent, getting too comfy with "AAA" games. He said It himself "I don't wanna miss anything cool".
So he's going into It expecting at least one thing he likes that only takes minutes out of an entire game that should take hours to complete. He's going into It with the mindset of "I don't wanna be left out while other people play this game", "I don't wanna be that one person in the friend group who's considered lame for not playing". The man behaves like he's still in high school. As an adult male, I play and enjoy what I want, whenever I want. IDC what the media likes or what everybody else is into, but that's not the point. The point here is, people like this man are becoming more and more tolerant of the slop that they're being served at a restaurant. Asmon said It well enough after this dude called It "art". Fuck no!
In the end, I think people like him are gonna be the downfall of gamers' rights. He's gonna be one of those people that end up supporting horrible gaming company practices like "not really owning your games" out of a fear of either losing a beloved series, as shitty as It might end up being, or out of fear of having your streaming job affected or losing the ability to ever play/enjoy video games ever again. When people take the tyrants' side instead of the people's, out of fear, cowardice and benefit, they become as much of a tyrant as the person they felt like opposing in the first place.
I agree with your first part, but not your second.
If you stay mad at some one, forget about them and remove them from your life. Staying invested in that anger is just emotional investment that is wasted. You are just giving them power over you, and if you do something about it, then you will just look deranged and give them the satisfaction of keeping you mad.
I would even say this about games. I stopped caring or being mad at games over a decade a go. I just simply watch, if I don't like, I ignore. They won't get my money or emotional investment. It's all a waste of time to me. I got baited into the assassins creed drama, and its a whole waste of time. I had to step back and realize, these people are not going to change their minds regardless of truths, and the people who are against it are just wasting their time , staying mad, and getting easier mad on other things. Just don't buy it, and ignore it.
100% this
@@yummychips_ I would say then that you have far better emotional intelligence than me and generally just the average person. Attachments is what cause average people to not efficiently deal with it as you described.
I, personally, won't be able to do that because I tend to try and inhale copium whether it be for games or for human connections. I tend to hope out for the best, and there's also the fact of Sunk Cost Fallacy, which further prevents me, or just about most people from "letting go".
"Fine" and "in order to play this I need to pretend this is not a dragon age game" coming from someone who was in BG3 and gave it high praises hurts a little. Yet so many people are praising it and saying how this gameplay footage elevated the game for them is crazy.
Thats exactly why comment about appealing to the tourist is 100% correct. Asmon was so off, they making a game to appeal to the non DA fan, knowing the DA fans will at minimum want to try the game out
I completely agree. Where the hell was this energy when BG3 was coming out?
Just like the fallout show.
It's not crazy. I don't want understand why people are so self-centered that they can't comprehend the fact that other people who probably didn't play or like dragon age origins, which is what most of the people who are complaining about this game praise. Maybe the people who like this game started at Inquisition. I honestly I hate people, I hate that people can't for 2 seconds think about something from someone else's perspective.
Think about this for a second. My first dragon age game was 2. I also played a rogue. Most of my game play. I didn't need to go into tactical mode. I did sometimes but mainly I just played it like an action game and I had a blast doing so. Dragon age Inquisition comes out and it's more of the same but even more leaning towards action combat. This point every dragon age game I've played has been played like an action RPG for the most part. Then I try to play origins and I can't get past certain fights without using the tactical mode and I don't have fun playing origins. How do you think that person would feel when they see the veil guard gameplay?
Souless hack and slash game
Consumers: man that blew me away, im sold
In reality its people sipping mad copium.
So (as a non dragon age player), they basically pulled a fallout 4
Except it is even worse; because it is as if fallout 4 was made by sewer slide squad devs
I bet the next game will be dragon age 76
The problem is it's past the time where these games/studios/devs deserve the benefit of the doubt. Cohh is a generous man.
Fair to say it's a game. It's just not a Dragon Age game, it's just some other game wearing the skin of Dragon Age. It would be like if I remade 50 shades of grey and said let's give the guy a M4 and drop him into the jungle behind enemy lines to save the girl and still call it 50 shades of grey. I couldn't be surprised that the original fans didn't show up and support my movie. So as long as the people over at EA and Bioware don't start complaining about the Dragon Age fanbase for not supporting it when they decided they wanted a different fanbase. Fine for them to do that, I just don't want to see them blaming Dragon Age fans if they don't like it. They could have called this game something like "The Veil" and it could easily be it's own IP, but of course they are going to capitalise on the Dragon Age name. (All the while being a company that's probably full of devs who complain about capitalism.)
Funely enough it reminds me of Cloverfield Lane, which has not much to do with the Cloverfield movie, but was great too. But it's like an exception
I don´t agree on that, it has everything a Dragon Age game except origins had. It´s more like that after Origins nobody liked the Dragon Age games because they were not dark themed anymore.
To be fair you can say the same about Baldurs Gate 3. It's a good game, but it is not a good baldurs gate. It starts with the most obvious point that BG was never a turn based game. The game received pretty hard critics when it went into EA, which most people seem to have forgotten. it was not even hyped as such a big deal early last year when everyone was talking about Hogwarts Legacy, D4 and Star Field.
To be fair it features one of the main characters from Dragon age two and that game was a solid 3 out of ten.
To be fair nobody actually cares about this franchise
So basically, this is a parody game of the original Dragon Age.
imagine after the popular anime finishes and you get fillers/specials
Bioware haven't made CRPGs in 20 years, how is this a surprise? Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition were both action-RPGs. It's literally what the people that actually play their games want.
Boruto to Naruto haha
Dragon Age Origins was peak
And now we have Dragon Age lite
What made me love DA:Origins was the scene early in the game where you do the grey warden ritual.
Really set the tone and what to expect from the game.
I loved Origins and 2, Inquisition started to show the hijacking of a franchise even though the story was ok but interesting.
Origins is amazing, but DA2 is imo the peak of the series.
saddest part is that these animations somehow look worse than dragon age 2 lol
To me BG3 is the spiritual sequel to DA: Origins.
People do enjoy their slop, it's almost surprising.
Many people played DA during their childhood, like I did when I was 14-15 years old. Despite the violence and complex themes, the game captivated me. Fifteen years have passed since the release of the first part, and the game's audience has grown older and more solvent. We all eagerly awaited the new installment...
But either Bioware or EA decided that it was a good idea to make the game more accessible, simpler, and more child-friendly to attract an even larger audience. In doing so, they alienated the loyal fans who were left disappointed.
It's strange for me to comprehend this because the game has a relatively high entry threshold in terms of its plot, which is one of its strong points. As a result, we end up with an old audience that is dissatisfied with the gameplay and visual aspects of the game, and a new audience that doesn't understand what's going on and will likely stop playing after 5-10 hours.
Some say this is the evolution of the series, but I would call it sabotage. The developers aimed to please everyone, but in the end, they pleased no one.
The gameplay has been completely different since DAO , it was pretty clear that this was the direction ever since DA2
@@ferwind Yes, and I have no issues with third-person action. When I talk about "different" gameplay, I mean that DA has always positioned itself as a party RPG. All the games, including Inquisition, had a distinct party gameplay, although they differed from each other.
In Veilguard, however, we were shown a "gameplay reveal" that didn't really show much gameplay. A level 1 character, without companions, and through the UI, it's visible that there will be 2 companions instead of the usual 3. All they showed us is that the game focuses on the main character with no combat interaction with the party.
@armannazluyan8968 yeah that's true, they've gone the ME2/3 route. I guess I'm personally less bothered by it since I always focused mainly on my character anyways but I understand why it's disappointing for others. I just hope we still get to customize their equipment, skills, levels, ect.
@@WC-PO Where did I say that I only love one game? I said that I was playing the Dragon Age series since my childhood, not specifically Origins. There was a misunderstanding.
I've happily played through all three games more than once. I consider myself a loyal, long-time fan, but that doesn't mean I have to love everything the developer releases.
I'm aware of Twitter and Reddit. Some people like it, some don't. However, the difference in likes and dislikes on gameplay shows that many players' expectations weren't met. Ten years is a long time. It's fair that many expected something more than just a generic third-person fantasy action game.
"In doing so, they alienated the loyal fans who were left disappointed."
Which loyal fans do you presume to speak for? I played Origins back when it came out and I've been a diehard, loyal fan ever since. I loved DA2 and Inquisition and I'm excited as hell for Veilguard. Am I somehow not a "real" fan?
The line "People Die all the time, It's what they do!" - is stolen from Sherlock Homes - Moriarty - As Asmon always stays - Stealing gives you the best lines.
Is it really? If their best writing is just ripping off of other writers, it'll be a bad time.
I'm even surprised Solas was that empathetic, honestly. I expected something more along the lines of 'a necessary evil'.
@@genevievec.8002 lol He's not being remotely empathetic by saying that line. He is outright dismissing it as meaning nothing to him.
"I'm going to do my best to like it." Uuueeeewwggghhh. Dude, why are people wasting their time and effort forcing themselves to like garbage. How did we get to this point?
He's invested in the story as a fan of the series even if the gameplay didn't go the direction he wanted. It's not that deep
@@ferwind This mentality hurts us in the long run,if we keep putting up with low tier effort games just for the sake of nostalgia.
@@agraiell5048 Who does it hurt though if the story is actually enjoyable?
@@CoreyAdolfi No one,if the story is enjoyable,and sadly that's a big if. I'll happily eat my own words if i'm wrong,but considering who's making the game,don't expect people to just be optimistic about it.
@@agraiell5048not really, he's a game reviewer and lover of all rpgs's and wants to give the game a chance before he completely shits on it.
He's not like the kids who're so used to calling everything shit and not getting a good experience from something that's "possibly" shit.
Funny how Bioware made Dragon age 2 and Inquisition more action-based and flashy because they wanted to appeal to a wider audience and earn more money. And yet Baldur's gate 3 sold more copies than DA2 and Inquisition combined.
Yet DA2 and Inquisition both sold better than DAO.
krasmasov6852 That's beacuse DOA isn't as good as BG3, not even in close!
I put like 80 hours into finishing the last Dragon age, inquisition. I really like that game. I had a lot of fun playing it. I’ve never totally understood all the hate the game receives. When it came out, it won multiple game of the year awards and everybody loved it. I guess it’s just one of those games that people evolved into hating for whatever reason, but as a fan of that game after seeing this trailer. I don’t know what the hell this new game is but it’s not anything that interest me.
I don't think DAI is hated, just considered to be not as good as the older games. For me personally they did a lot of things I didn't like with the characters so overall as an RPG I don't like it as much as origins or 2.
From what I understand the perception around inquisition is similar to 2 - mixed. 2 is bad in a lot of ways but does some good things too, and in my view that's exactly the same deal with inquisition. OK games overall, they just don't live up to origins for me.
It had a great combat/graphics engine but the writing wasn't as good as the first two. It was just "okay" there where the other two were standout with companion characters/dialogue.
The only thing missing from that trailer was Sabotage by The Beastie Boys. It was so not Dragon Age. Dragon Age Origins was inspired by Game of Thrones. It was dark and gritty. There were moments of levity, sure, but the overall tone was Game of Thrones with more classic fantasy elements. Grey Wardens are cursed warriors who are doomed for a short life that, best case scenario, ends with you marching into enemy territory for the honor of dying fighting. There is no happily ever after for them.
This cutesy Guardians of the Galaxy/Suicide Squad vibe does not fit.
It's funny, because this is kind of giving me Game of Thrones season 8 vibes. Lol. Or even earlier, if you were a book reader watching the show. The show writers had 5 books with amazing material to work with, but after season 2 they couldn't resist trying their own hand at writing new and "improved" material for the show. Same with this game. The writers/developers just couldn't resist putting a new spin on the game to make things more interesting for themselves, while actually making everything that much worse.
Dragon Age: Origins came out two years before Game of Thrones.
@@viron6734 I know. It was inspired by the books. I just said Game of Thrones instead of A Song of Ice and Fire because more people know that title.
Grey Wardens = Night's Watch. Darkspawn = White Walkers. In Origins, you're basically the last of the Night's Watch trying to unite the factions against the White Walkers while the nobles ignore the real threat and fight a civil war over the throne that you need to resolve before you can unite everyone against the real threat.
Why didn't I think of the Game of Thrones connection.
Watching these kinds of videos is my therapy. I'm heartbroken
Same
👀
They got the formula right with Dragon Age: Origins, and should have just expanded on that instead of trying to re-invent the wheel.
it didn't appeal to the masses that's why they changed the formula
Inquisition was much more successful just saying lmao
Inquisition sold better than both previous games combined so it’s not a surprise they doubled down in this direction. Even if you or I feel they got it right in Origins, the dollar bills say otherwise and that’s prob what they’re following
I think you're half right.
There is no formula for success. You can't simply 'repeat' a 'formula', especially in a piece of media, and expect the same results. You must always iterate on your work and incorporate new ideas in a new product, even if that product is a sequel to an existing work.
But there's a difference between innovation and re-imagining. Innovation means that you are improving on something. That's when sequel branding makes the most sense; 'new and improved.' Re-imagining is the difference Asmon brought up with McDonalds serving Pizzas and Tacos instead of Hamburgers- it's shifting your product to something entirely new. It's fine to pick one or the other; not every company has to go down a specific path. But it's important (especially in advertising) to manage expectations.
Don't call your pizza a hamburger. You're just going to confuse and upset both people who like hamburgers, and people who like pizzas.
Bioware (or any game dev) is more than free to take the money they earned from one project and make a new, different project. It's just bad business to market your new thing with the same name as the old thing. At best it's ignorant of what your brand has come to mean, and at worst it's cashing out the value your brand has for money- there's some potential there for short-term monetary return but it's incredibly short-sighted and foolish. You will make far more money far more sustainably if you make a good product that people want rather than rely on tricking people into buying a product they don't.
@@Str15810yeah but inq was kind of ass... It had the advantage of being one of the few early ps4 games and had pretty graphics
What solas said to Varric makes sense in the context of elven lore for this game. He is an immortal being after all. His people used to never age.
cohh is a chill and positive dude
it gets a lot to make him sad/angry
Anger is a sign that you care immensely about something.
Depression is when you've given up hope about something.
Cohh's views on DA seems depressed to me, there's no point in being angry because there's no hope it'll turn around to become great.
And after depression apathy sets in, and this is where you have lost someone completely.
I have been this way about my favorite franchises turning to crap, just became apathetic to the whole situation about them now
@@Kiryu_Kazuma01 Yeah, I could imagine you had some feelings about YongYea's voice acting, given your username. 😉
@@TigonIII his rendition of Kiryu was absolutely awful. Luckily I play in Japanese anyway, and Takaya Kuroda is significantly better.
Kinda sad he put more effort into a voice acting role for a movie, rather than a legacy character that he claimed he dreamt about voice acting for
You're confusing depressing with apathy, they are not mutually exclusive terms, being genuinely depressed about a game means you should probably go outside it's not that serious it's just a game yo. 😭💀
Me, turning to Dragon Age 2: “Hm…Perhaps I treated you too harshly.”
da2 had a lot of problems but it had the spirit of Dragon age there, this just has nothing
I can forgive DA2 for a lot of its faults. They had very little dev time.
First time I played DA2, I thought it was trash. Then I replayed it, and realized it was actually okay. It has some major criticisms, but the reason I hated it first playthrough was because I played it after Origins, and that made me expect so much more from it. I feel similarly about DA:I. I think compared to other fantasy RPGs, they are both pretty good games. Compared to Origins, especially 2, just didn't hold up for me.
Maybe this will be a good game in its own right, but I would really like it to be a good game compared to Origins. There are a few things that have me slightly hopeful - including Harding, a fan favorite, adding in backgrounds, similar to the origin system (though apparently not as in depth, which was an epic part of Origins). Everything else, including the issues they had during development and changing the direction of the game has be wary though.
Dragon Age 2 is an amazing game crushed by ridiculously short dev time. It was an unfortunate preview of what would be to come with Mass Effect 3. The story suffered and many assets were reused. However playing Sarcastic Hawke was a blast. The deadpool/jacksparow-esque attitude juxtaposed with the ridiculously dark world building is super entertaining. Best chaotic neutral character I ever played in an RPG, a leader that collect a posy of freaks just because he find them interesting and that is so good at being a murder hobo that he that he climbs to the top of society. The game was rushed but at least its short, episodic (mass effect 2 style) and its pretty dense in content. You go from mission to mission really fast and they all have voice acted dialogue, and it rarely feel too much like cheap filler. In contrast, Inquisition might be considered a better game in many aspect but it as that modern gaming bloat. Open world for no reason, dumb timegated bullshit, boring busy work sidequests. I could never bring myself to play a second playthrough.
Just the first rung down a very, very long ladder.
So basically Cohh says we need to brainwash ourselves in order to "enjoy" it.
This. I'm so tire of this loser mentality. It's not our job to try and like something as hard as we can. It's their job to make something that we'll like. If you keep buying garbage they will keep selling it. It's OK to admit when something doesn't live up to the standards of a franchise. You can still be a fan and call something shit. In fact, fans have the best perspective to know when a franchise has veered off course.
Well, he also participated in the boycott of Hogwarts legacy. Dude is spineless.
I hope $7 for a quest becomes a norm
The only way to enjoy it is if you no memories of have no memories of the past game sadly
Yeah, let's go tell SA victims that too while we're at It 🙄
Let's go tell an old man "it's ok to get robbed, you probably didn't need that thing or money in the first place".
It doesn’t look like dragon age, it doesn’t play like dragon age, it doesn’t even sound like dragon age.
Baldurs Gate 3 is closer to origins and Inquisition than Veilguard, rip dreadwolf plotline
I don't understand why people are surprised, they have been trying to make it into an action game since dragon age 2 they just didn't have the know how to do it earlier, you could see them learning and moving more towards it, I don't really have a problem with it I'm just interested in the lore of dragon age so I kept buying it but the people that didn't kept buying the games, doesn't matter if you speak up you had to hurt them where it hurts and that's money but you bought it nontheless so now here you have it
Those OKs became KOs real quick
That was the real reply right there. Not whatever he followed up with. Sounded like a lot of coping to me.
uhhh tasty one
Probably gonna be a wait-for-big-sale-years-down-the-road purchase.
You said it exactly. It's a mega sale game
Im so stupid i was going to pre-order it, I was putting a littil away here and there adding to my steam wallet.
Its coming on gamepass eventually, like all EA games do
or just get Ea play premium for a month (14$), play through it once and forget about it.
perfect game ... for a 50% + off sale IF there is nothing better nearby
The first 2 minutes made that game the hardest pass ever
As a dragon age fan we don't claim this one as one of us
As a dragon age fan myself, I'm actually excited for this game and think it looks great, this guy seems like another Origins Purist who honestly need to grow up and move on.
@@HeirofAether 250k👎 to 40k 👍 yeah sure buddy I'm sure it will find a player base but not with those who stuck with it for years and FYI I started with inquisition was lost on a lot of things wanted to know more and stated from the beginning so origins purists no lol I just want good games if you took dragon age out of the title I would not care about this game plus you have there dei employees getting exposed I don't want that stuff forced down my throat through things I enjoy
@@Kozmo-Kamuywhat is being pushed down your throat exactly ? I legitimately don't know.
@@Nix_- oh you sweet summer child
@@Kozmo-Kamuy yeah, that doesn't help much...
DA: Inquisition also had the “tactical camera” that would pause combat, give you an aerial view of the team, and you could switch between characters to issue specific commands. IIRC, in the harder difficulties the tac cam would give the aerial view but combat wouldn’t pause.
Even in base combat, you could switch between the characters if you wanted to fight using a teammate. You could also set “behaviors” for all characters, like “how much missing HP before potion use”, aggressive or defensive stances, preferred skills, mana/stamina drain limits before skill use stops, all that stuff. I didn’t see any of that in these trailers. They made it seem like you just control the main character and your teammates are just kinda like Skyrim followers who do their own thing.
I hope I’m wrong, I hope the combat remains similar, I hope the writing doesn’t suck, I hope a lot of things. Time will tell. If recent examples of EA and BioWare are anything to go by though… not promising…
Cohh really just trying to spam "OK" but there is 2 sec cooldown, thats something
game looks like it's gonna go on sale 1 month after release
1 month is definitely a high bar of expectations. I think their heads in sales are already 5 paragraphs in on why a sale on release is a good thing.
And they’ll blame the “ists and foobs”. Why do you not CONSOOM
I remember hearing things about Dragon Age that was depressing. Origins was expected to fail. They thought the game was already outdated with an old engine and what not but it was a hit. They rushed out 2 using the remains of a canceled game to launch it. Third game you had EA make Frostbite engine uniform across the board for all their games and Frostbite was not built for an RPG. This series just cant catch a break.
Yeah, dragon age was never a good game which is sad because world of the game is amazing, eventhough they are clearly trying to force on you their way of thinking instead of actually giving you a good choice of the sides
@@moth7579yeah, it wasn’t a good game, it was amazing
@@moth7579now you're just yappin
17:59 You know what this trailer *really* did? It made people look back fondly on Dungeon Siege III (the one Obsidian was contractually obligated to make).
He sounds so defeated
He sounds like me when i talk about halo
Saying Bioware is back is like saying we finally found where mario judah is.
Not Mario Judah bro 😭
They went from the best RPG creator from the late 90's through to the early 2010's. The falloff of the last 10 years and EA whoring BioWare out to industry trends is just sad. All the talent fled that hellhole of greed. Nothing produced by EA is trustworthy.
You can’t find Mario Judah because he is looking for you, and when he finds you… my oh my he has found you 😂
Both Mario Judah and Bioware are in the same place right now my boy, in the lions belly being digested soon to be plopped out on the floor and left behind forgotten
🐶 🐻 ✊🏿 🦁
It's so fun that Dreadwolf was redeveloped into this bullshit because there were no sufficient possibilities to add live-service-purchases to it, it's even official, you can check it out even on the wikipedia page for it.
This is why I feel anger towards this game. What upsets me, is the fact that we are served this slop then people do not understand when very few people buy it. Forces down the throats of consumers by corporations that do not care about the game or the fans. And then still some people will ho and spend their money on this nonsense.
This gameplay disappointed me more than the trailer itself. This is what happens when publishers try to cater to an audience that doesn't even like their games.
"You know what Dragon Age needs? Gotham Knight type of combat" Said no sane person ever.
Oh, as someone who is in their Discord and Reddit, many LOVE it. It's more of a loud minority fanboyism. It gets to that weary consumer thing, where they're just eating up *everything.* Some are just creepy, like "We have Asians elves!" and "No straight companions, everyone is Pan!"
When someone give a fair criticism, it gets shut down with "Just play DAO" "This game isn't for you" or "Far-Right troll."
@@traiforse5777 I think not liking the new approach and prefer something more “turn based” (not that it was ever a hard turn based crpg though) it’s pretty valid.
@@traiforse5777lol far right. Far right is just normal people in 2024
"[...] that doesn't even like t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ games."
Funny how he was trying so hard not to lose his temper. You could feel the struggle while he was trying really hard to convince himself it was not that bad
dragon age origins was my first ever pc game that i play repeatedly when i'm in high school. sad to see the downhill trajectory of this series.
I got dragon age origins and viva piñata for Christmas when I was a kid, first off Viva Piñata is incredible and criminally underrated but dragon age origins is a defining game for me, it was one of the first games that made me feel like a grownup as a kid, the dialogue was serious, the violence felt real in the sense that it wasn't someone exploding into a mist of blood and bone and flesh when they were killed but instead it was them slowly dying on the ground with a knife in their stomach as they groaned to death and asked something of the player before they went, the game had genuine hard moral choices and characters that I will remember probably until the day I die in the sense of what their stories mean and how I would implement that sort of story into any pieces of fiction I might write myself, Dragon Age Origins was not a game about tits or explosions or flashy combat, it was a game about a dark depressing world where everywhere you go you see the darkness of this world and you and your crew go around making things better in realistic, complicated and uncomfortable ways but things do get better
Let me explain you something using comparative method.
Qunari female in Tevinter could be easily compared to american woman chilling in Tokyo during '43 or Russian woman chilling in Berlin in '43.
They would instantly flay her alive and use her horns as ornaments for chair.
'Luckily' such things won't happen in new DA since its made for modern audience
Who says thats where she's recruited?
@McSireson Isn't game set in Tevinter controlled areas?
If they didn't put a Qunari in the game, people would be using that as a negative point.
BioWare can't win no matter what they do. People are on a hate bandwagon. I don't trust majorities anymore. Remember when everyone said starfield was going to be amazing ??
@Nix_- You can put Qunari in game, this is dark fantasy genre, so show how Imperium and Qun kills each others in thousands
@@zhongxina9832 Like yeah, that would be awesome, however I'm still failing to see what it would add to the story that is being finished from Trespasser.
The one line asmongold likes "people die all the time, it's what they do". Is stolen from BBC Sherlock TV show.
Ah, so that's where it's from. I was trying to remember, then went meh gave up 💀
@@Pickle_Maniac yep. I recognised it immediately. So not only is the dialogue shit, the story is written by hacks. And the VA sounds like it was recorded in the closet at home during COVID.
@paulwade4058 Yes, the VA's sounded muffled at times and incorrectly directed at other times.
So they just copy pasta.. Do you think they used an AI as help?
@@eme117 No. This early Solas stuff was probably written 5+ years ago. I reckon Solas will be defeated midway through only to be replaced by somebody badderer and meanerer. Subverting expectations of course.
I think this is the same old crap. I know it's still Bioware developping it, but it screams of "I want to make my own thing but I'll use a popular existing IP to do it rather than make a brand new IP"
I just need the story to stay on its course. The amount of time that has passed since Trespasser DLC has always had me more and more worried. Hearing those voices again really pulls on the heart strings for me...dont diminish the characters and keep the story and character arcs consistent and loyal to the characters and I think a few flashy changes can be forgiven. I have loved all of the games so far and I dont play other Single Players either besides Mass Effect and recently Cyberpunk. Aside from that its some PvP games and 3-5 Full Dragon Age series playthroughs every single year for me. If I am not playing Dragon Age i am rereading fanfictions about it as I do believe I have read every single fanfiction of Dragon Age of note that has thus far been on the internet. I am a hopeless Dragon Age addict most likely and I have enjoyed and loved every second of this journey. I am a bit nervous....but I will give it a chance.
I think the direction they went with lighting and fogging was NOT the style the person who made the city/area was going for. This looked like you were walking into a batman&Gotham style city right away, but it felt off. It was not that off to start but only got worse the further into the city they went. They should have made it grittier so the light points stood out more, just hire a damned artist who makes stuff you are going for to overlook all this stuff ffs. Why fail so hard on style/mood when you can not fail on it? Could honestly just pick a college kid with artwork you like and pay them like 35k/year.
This is what happens when you hire people who have don't play games and have no interest in them and simply come to their "3D Environmentalist" job 9-5 monday to friday and then go home to pursue their hobby of bird watching or something.
No one good in this industry treats this stuff as a 9-5. Creative pursuits as a job has to be your whole life.
You're seeing the effect of AI creeping into the industry. Less money for artistic talent = more money for shareholders - but only if the game makes a profit.
yep, the lighting is what negativaly stood out the most for me. It looks like neon cyberpunk lighting and not magical power glow
Things felt more advance than what dragon age's timeline is set in.
Dragon always made their homes and spacing of said homes feel like villages because the rough timeline is like 1800s to VERY early 1900s at max.
The close living quarters in the way we see it in the video is a product of modern age (building on top of one of another}, even the Romans and Greeks had more house spacing despite having decent infrastructure and building near each other for their villages when we look into the past of how buildings and homes were set up.
This version of Dragon Age felt like a modern day harry potter game and Harry Potter is set in the 80s to mid 90s Max so it made sense for things to be the way they were.
The neon "magic" signs felt very cyber punky rather than magical.
Even the one lady who had this weird metal leg piece felt very modern in it's design choice. I'm not saying she should have a wooden peg leg but how you design things including things like how you design what a character will replace their missing leg with also sets tone for the setting.
A pirate having a weird mechanical leg tells me either he/she knows someone super advance or the setting of the world is more advance.
The lady in the trailer having this super sleek modern peg leg design ontop of the magic "neon" signs tells me this area is more advance than any other setting in dragon age which makes ZERO sense because even the queen you meet in inquisition and her patrons don't have access to this type of sleek design stuff (remember they are supposed to be rich and elite class of people so they DEF could afford it )and yet the place in the video does and most of people don't even seem rich. It can make one curious about the setting you see but you can see that it's out of touch for the past dragon age games even inquisition.
on purpose, because this style appeals more to the "tourist" crowd than a gritty style, it's that simple
This is not Dragon Age, and this is not 'Fine' in this context. Buy a little bit of self-respect instead of shitty games.
That man, is a husk after having to sit thru that gameplay. I can’t say I blame him.
Cohh is very diplomatic and weighs his words very carefully.
I feel bad for him...
He sounds like he is coping more than anything. "Well maybe some quests and writing could be good, you never know."
The game will be dogshit, how gamers don't have pattern recognition at this point is crazy.
@@AQS521 you could say he's cohhping
@@AQS521I think he just doesnt want to be looked at as being overly negative
This mentality that "games are art so we can't tell artists what to do" is so stupid. Video games are not art, they CAN be art, but thats only the special ones. Before being art they're just a product for entertainment, so the customers absolutely can say what they want or not want.
Dragon age origins is such a fantastic game, finished it last year and that was the true AAA CRPG game from the early 2000's . Man i wish some big publishers gives a dev that kind of budget like baldurs gate and give us a proper dragon age game.
This is how I feel when I saw DMC Devil May Cry trailer after being a fan of DMC series since day one in PS2 and was hoping for DMC5 after DMC4 release in PS3 ERA
Thank god Capcom listen and give us DMC5 a decade later but man, the franchise almost died there
This is definitely similar situation, but id say this is worse. The DmC reboot ONLY delayed the progress of the main DMC and In the end it worked out good cause dmc5 was a blast. But with DA now its screwed forever, there wont bé a remake for DA4. If the game doesnt sell enough DA night never see another game. If they made Veilguard as its own spinoff, at least they could risk a DA4 later, but now its too late.
Asmon completely misunderstood what he was saying about the delivery of the script lol regardless, the game looks about as washed out as can be. Sure, the person playing the demo was trash, but the demo itself was entirely uninspiring. There was nothing that happened that gave me a single moment of hype. And the boss fight being a normal enemy with a big health bar is a big wtf moment. Im glad Inquisition was my last DA. Nothing but good memories
"Uninspiring" is a perfect descriptor for these modern games. They're all so "safe" and it seems like most of them are not trying new things anymore
The boss fight was a damn Pride demon....as a tutorial. The issue was putting an F'ing end game Monster as a tutorial boss!!
Personally the combat mechanics looks nothing different but the animation and upgraded graphics and entirely different style. And there was absolutely nothing exciting.
@@cursedshadow I mean, Pride demon was the first boss in Inquisiton too...
@@cursedshadow That caught my eye as well. If I remember correctly only place where you saw one of those early was the harrowing for the mage character.
The problem is everyone is walking into chilli's after they changed to all vegan options and only like 10% of people are walking out. Everyone else is so desperate for something good they eat the shit and then complain its shit... meanwhile chilli's is doing just fine because they only lost 10% of a constantly growing customer base. So who knows if they even lost at all.
This. Absolutely this.
I think things are changing. There have been AAA games flopping so hard that the dev studios are getting shut down. That doesn't sound like losing 10% of their audience to me.
No offense to the dude, but when he literally says "this looks nothing like Dragon Age" then "but I'm gonna buy it anyway" in the same breath, he's part of the problem. Reward mid games, you get more mid games as a result. 😹
I had waited a decade for the next Dragon Age, been a fan since the beginning, played the TTRPG, got a Grey Warden tattoo. And after Inquisition, I have waited patiently for this and this is what I got. So long Dragon Age.
The thing is, the game doesnt look bad, but if you told me it was a new IP or any generic RPG out there i would believe you
If this was kingdom of amalur 2 i Would be happy. It looks like continuation of that art style.
Dragon Age: Origins is one of my favorite video games of ALL TIME.
They massacred our boy... This makes DA2 look like an amazing RPG, and that game was SCOLDED when it came out for being a farcry from Origins
Da2 was made in very short anount of time and bcs of this there was copy pasted everything and it felt unfinished but there was still soul in it. And characters were great.
Cohh saying "we don't owe them anything" is baffling my brain. So we're supposed to get slop and just stand there and buy it ? "consume product then get ready for next product .vid", because that's what it sounds like. No..WE the customers dictate who gets our money and what games get popular based of our purchasing decisions and how the market shifts not anyone else. How does Cohh not see this?
My dude. How do you not understand that "we don't owe them anything" means PRECISELY that you don't owe them your money? What's baffling about that phrase????
Dragon Age hasn't been like DAO since DAO. It seems like a silly thing to knock the 4th one for.
so glad my expectations of quality for game sequels was shattered a long time ago. Now I'm always smiling at these reveals.
5:35 it is incredibly ironic how Asmon explains a combat system that is a hybrid between real-time and pause time when that *is* what the other dragon age games were.
Origins was an RPG where you controlled a party. This is an action combat game where you play one character. They are not the same thing.
@@CaffyPvPI don’t think this assumption is correct at all. DA-I you could choose to play either ways, there is a screen shot of DA4 where you can see your companions skills in the skill menu as well as yours.
He talked about pause combat to change characters and use items. Super weird for you to put words in his mouth when we can all see what he actually said. Incredibly ironic.
@@StoneCorazon so you able to do that in DA-I. Are we sure you can’t do that in DA-4? I know pc pause was different than console but it put you in tactical mode. I think that is what he was expressing. There is a ton of stuff not shown in the gameplay trailer that is actually in game like dmg numbers which asmongold questioned. As someone who tested the game he was incorrect about a lot of stuff but to be fair they only showed so much.
Origins combat was what I would describe as tactical RPG squad based combat, but you could just put your companions on auto (including setting their AI to respond differently in different circumstances and roles including setting up actions to take in specific circumstances). The combat in Origins was incredibly deep and complex if you chose to explore it, with multiple ability interactions across classes. Such as a rogue using a trap to set a grease puddle then a mage lighting it on fire, a mage freezing an enemy then another mage shattering it with a different spell, or a rogue shattering it with a special archery technique or a warriors shield bash. My first RPG was Baldur’s Gate, and I love tactical combat in games. I think Dragon Age Origins is one of my top 5 games of all time, but I’m not excited for Veilguard. We will have to see if the games storytelling and writing is strong enough to carry it, but I’m not convinced.
Dragon Age Veil Guard feels like they tried to turn the Dungeons and Dragons: Honor Among Thieves movie into a game.
You nailed it.
BG3 is a closer representation of Dragon Age than This new trailer.
There is no way I am giving money to a game studio that adds top surgery scars to the character creator. I want this stuff gone. It's disgusting.
The mental gymnastics! He has to "re-orient himself" to try to like it! Why?! Why not simply admit that it's a POS and be done with it?
I've given up. We're never getting a worthy successor to DA: Origins
Pathfinder Wrath of The Righteous would be it. One of my favorite party-based cRPGs which I persoanlly put higher than DAO, on the same level with BG2. Played that game for 300+ hours.
I think we will eventually. I just don’t think it’ll be bioware producing it
People don't understand how low our expectations were lmao
THIS! my hope was non existing. I hated anthem, andromeda and even inquisition wasnt that good. I knew this company is dead but fuck... I think there was some little spark of hope in my heart bcs this still broke me. Idk man... Its Just sad to see.
Honestly as long as the game is playable and I can finally see the dam ending I'll be content
This might kill BioWare and that’s upsetting because we might never see a dragon age origins remaster
lmfao... That would be a shame, considering that it's the only truly good game in the series.
Good they would ruin Origins remaster
Oh you poor soul... you really think that Bioware has any say in what games they make?
They do what EA tells them to do. If EA doesn't want to make a DAO remaster than it doesn't matter if the studio that made the original exists or not.
@@JasonSchwartz51580 DA2 gameplay is bad but the characters are interesting. DA:I is kind of weird, a lot of it story-wise is mid but combat-wise is actually pretty interesting because of how certain classes/actions interact with each other like rift mages being able to combo the shit out of stuff infinitely, champion shenanigans, rogues having a pretty active gameplay loop and so forth.
I agree with you in the sense that origins is the only one that really fits the "great classic RPG" bill but DA2 and DAI were still good games overall IMO because they both managed to do something well which helps with dealing with the meh/bad parts.
Doesnt need a remaster, actually still looks decent.
6:21 I love how Asmon had to confirm his joke before it got clipped out of context for twitter.
"Start as you mean to go on" is a saying for a good reason. I feel like Cohh is trying to reconcile his love of DA:O with what he probably foresees as the future of Dragon Age in the newest entry.
He's hopeful that one day there'll be another Dragon Age game like Origins in the DA series. I'm fairly certain there won't be, anytime soon, possibly not within his lifetime.
This bears a close resemblance to the current trajectory of the Star Wars franchise under Disney.