Another of Terry's and Michael's super simple and effective mods. Reflecting, I've spent ages making a brass sheet servo mounts only to find afterwards that a simple bit of double sided tape would have worked just as well. Go simple wherever possible is something I need to remember. And great to see the Shay in action, so smooth!
Thanks Steve! Locos that come with RC installed all use metal brackets. They are bulletproof proof. Michael used double sided tape on my fist RC installation and after being run a lot it doesn’t show any signs of breaking down. And when it eventually does just replace with another piece! The Scotch tape I used was something I decided to try. It is heavy duty and waterproof. It sticks more like glue. I bet I will be a very very long time before it needs replacing.
Hi Terry, What joy it is to follow your creative endeavours in railroading! This is brilliant! Indeed, you'll have to bring this lovely Shay out to Fred's to see her in action during an operating session! Can't wait to meet Winnie in person! Mike Hamer, Ottawa, Canada
Thanks Mike! You know, we don’t have to wait for Spring. You can always travel 40 mins down the Trans Canada Highway to Chez Rowsell and run Winnie yourself. ☺️
I would check that the partition between water and r/c gear actually reaches the top. On several tenders we found a 1/8" to 1/4" gap, which allowed water to slop over into the r/c. And drill a hole in the bottom of the r/c space so any water will drain out!
Hi Fred. I had thought of this. I don’t fill the water all the way to as much as it can take. But your suggestion to drill a hole in the RC compartment is a good one and I’ll do that! Thanks. 😊
Seems a perfect engine to drive via the reverser due to the limited speeds. Very nice modification, especially with how well the electronics tuck into the bunker/tank space. With servos on RC live steam in general, I almost wonder if it'd be possible to have linkage attach to a figure's arm - Would need a roomy cab but it seems like something Lionel would've done, had they ventured into this style of live steam. Looks fantastic with those coaches, too!
I have toyed with the idea of an animated figure now and then, but I think the design would be best created from the ground up as part of the overall design of the loco. Just as Lionel would have done, as you suggest. 😊 It would be cool though!
Here I am drinking a cup of Glen gettie tea and munching on a cube of Turkish Delight whilst watching one of your delightful presentations. I am like gin the dream. Happy New Year
It does run well. The very slight better control in adding a servo to the steam regulator would not be worth the extra work and no doubt cutting snd drilling required.
Thanks John. The trade off is using AAA batteries with 1100 milliamps, versus AA batteries with 2400 milliamps. But with only one micro servo to operate it won’t be too bad. I’ll just keep them charged between sessions.
While watching this I thought would be neat to get the smallest metal gear servo could find, build a scale wood load and put the servo in there. Not sure if the figures arm moves but be really cool to run the rod though the arm so looked like the figure was moving it.
Hi Philip. The figure’s arm does move, but I could bot quite work out a good angle to make it all happen. Your idea to hide the servo in a wood pile is a good one.
I hope to add RC to my Mamod, eventually. Ive just bought a butane burner which will help with constant pressure in the boiler instead of tablets that slowly fizzle out after 5 minutes and adjusting the reverser is constantly different with the lowering flames.
Nicely done, I have heard from several people who have done exactly this type of R/C control system before in other Accucraft model locomotives. And it seems to work just fine. I do think at some point you will have to attach the reach rod to the Johnson bar, rather than wrap the wire around it as you did.
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks it will depend alot on how often you run the locomotive, and how much you change directions while doing so. A friend did basically the same setup, after a time he did have issues with either the throttle or the reverser fully engaging
Truly a marvelous enjin And im pretty sure realistically They would run the engine so that the steam engine and shaft is on the outside of a corner To not compress it to improve performance And also im pretty sure diamond stacks where used on coal too Coal also needs spark arrestors 85s is in his smokebox There is so much chuncks of coal wedged in those things I only saw 1 spark leave 85 And that was when we had funky coal and they had to assist the coal with wood while winding the blower after he was put to bed
Yeah, I looked deeper into it. The early locos used diamond stacks for spark arresting until they came up with deeper smoke boxes. I don’t like the look of the diamond stack as much though. On this loco it is huge and bulky.
Perfect and simple, love it. BTW, I did this same trick to an Accucraft Ruby, that was when they first came out. I only servo'd the valve gear/reverser and it worked like a charm as does yours. Man, you're giving me ideas for the Shay operations on the Javelina Branch... *Edit: Spelling.
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks It can definitely get toasty, but as soon as the sun starts setting, things get chilly pretty quick. I love how remote we are. An hour plus from the grocery store, go days without seeing anyone besides a random cowboy looking for lost live stock. Lots of wild life and mountains surround us 360⁰. We have a lot of land to play with, 2 acres actually. Soooo many Homestead Projects before I start my railroad but will be getting back up to speed with the model building and what not. Thinking about a second TH-cam account for a homesteading/railroading channel....
@@LiquorandCheeseburgers i’d be interested in your suggested second channel. I wish we had more land and such. We have a regular house lot. Not one of those modern postage stamp sized lots with a house covering it all and close to the other houses. But at least we are in a village 40 mins from a city.
Single servo control is possible because of the piston valve valve gear. Speed and direction on one control. If you had true Stephenson's valve gear in the locomotive, you would need two servos and I speak from experience in saying this is vastly more complex. Easy to run the as you have it , and I'm glad you're doing operations with the locomotive.
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks I have fully functional Stephenson's valve gear on my Shay and it is radio controlled, the only one that I know of that is. I do require a two servo system to do it, but all (5) of my live steamers use that. My Shay 'engine' is the Mark II version of the Catatonk Shay built by Mike Chaney. I never bought the locomotive but had the engine assembly built to order. It has been thoroughly rebuilt by Bill Allen to include ball bearings in the main bearings AND all four cams! The locomotive itself is a 14-15 ton Shay, scratchbuilt. This includes the "tee" boiler and trucks. As of this writing the locomotive is over 15 years old and going strong, capable of switching and logging operations, all by R/C.
Very cool. I do not know much yet about live steam g scale but I was curious about a throttle? Is that the upper swing lever I see to the left of the reverse? Again I do not know how adjustable the throttles are and the speed you have selected is nice for your layout but with a throttle control could one come to a gradual stop , or am I over thinking it? I think futaba makes even smaller micro servos if you have another channel. But very cool video it shows off the shay well. You should let accucraft know for sure. Have a great new year too.
Hi Lyndon. Thanks for your questions! The steam regulators on scale live steam produce nowhere near as fine control as you get with electric trains. Adding a servo to the steam regulator (throttle) would not be worth the effort of finding a way to add the extra equipment and wires and no doubt would involve some cutting and drilling. And it would be rather more visible.
Very well done Terry. Do they make any Sound Systems for those Shays? I should get my new Shay next Week. Says it's been shipped. I think 8 Shays might be enough now lol.
Thanks Matt! Naw, you can never have too many shays. Lol. I’m sure someone makes a sound system for a shay. I know they have been produced for DCC in HO and On30.
Yep. It is a marvellous engine. It cane with verrrrry fine brass chord to attach to the bell and whistle, but I have not installed it. I think I’ll break it with my fumbly fingers when handling the loco. Lol
Hi terry, watching your videos of your garden railway and indoor layout got me hooked in the model train hobby. I just bought my first live steam train from MSS. Do you know if I can run it on any O gauge track?
Hi Conner! Your text makes my day! 😊😊😊😊😊😊 With regards to the MSS loco, pretty much any brand of O track will work. But you must keep the curves broad as this is a top heavy and speedy little loco. 😊 Five feet diameter minimum is what I suggest. Also, if you have not, save your shekels for a butane burner system made for this loco to replace the solid fuel tray. You’ll thank me!
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks thank you for the reply. Once I get it delivered, I plan on upgrading the the burner to a gas burner and installing a summer Lands chuffer. After having various wilescos and mamod traction engines running on the solid fuel, it was a very easy decision to get rid of the stinky solid fuel burner and upgrade it to the butane.
Yes. I used a graphics program, sized them, and had them printed at stickeryou. Search online. They are vinyl stickers, which you can get away with in this scale.
Here is a vid about how I did these logos: Victoria BC: Vinyl Sticker Logos - With RC Live Steam/Diesel Action, & Characters! (Plz Sub & Share) th-cam.com/video/Du-koTKbt7E/w-d-xo.html
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks My big weakness is computers and all that. I know how to get around with them and I used to integrate and automate electronics, but never really mastered the graphics design stuff. I'll probably find someone to help me or just farm that one out to a pro. My logo is going to be the earlier "Toilet Seat" logo from D&RGW. Except with my railroads name, a different scene (cactus/mesa etc), something simple. But I like this vinyl idea a lot......
Another of Terry's and Michael's super simple and effective mods. Reflecting, I've spent ages making a brass sheet servo mounts only to find afterwards that a simple bit of double sided tape would have worked just as well. Go simple wherever possible is something I need to remember. And great to see the Shay in action, so smooth!
Thanks Steve! Locos that come with RC installed all use metal brackets. They are bulletproof proof. Michael used double sided tape on my fist RC installation and after being run a lot it doesn’t show any signs of breaking down. And when it eventually does just replace with another piece! The Scotch tape I used was something I decided to try. It is heavy duty and waterproof. It sticks more like glue. I bet I will be a very very long time before it needs replacing.
Keep It Simple Stupid! :) The tape also helps with Terrys "No modifications" bit too. No holes drilled with tape.
Hi Terry, What joy it is to follow your creative endeavours in railroading! This is brilliant! Indeed, you'll have to bring this lovely Shay out to Fred's to see her in action during an operating session! Can't wait to meet Winnie in person! Mike Hamer, Ottawa, Canada
Thanks Mike! You know, we don’t have to wait for Spring. You can always travel 40 mins down the Trans Canada Highway to Chez Rowsell and run Winnie yourself. ☺️
I would check that the partition between water and r/c gear actually reaches the top. On several tenders we found a 1/8" to 1/4" gap, which allowed water to slop over into the r/c. And drill a hole in the bottom of the r/c space so any water will drain out!
Hi Fred. I had thought of this. I don’t fill the water all the way to as much as it can take. But your suggestion to drill a hole in the RC compartment is a good one and I’ll do that! Thanks. 😊
Great job dear Terry, have an Appy New Year in steaming, ciao Fabrizio - like 17
Thanks Fabrizio. Happy New Year to you too. 😊
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks
Seems a perfect engine to drive via the reverser due to the limited speeds. Very nice modification, especially with how well the electronics tuck into the bunker/tank space. With servos on RC live steam in general, I almost wonder if it'd be possible to have linkage attach to a figure's arm - Would need a roomy cab but it seems like something Lionel would've done, had they ventured into this style of live steam.
Looks fantastic with those coaches, too!
I have toyed with the idea of an animated figure now and then, but I think the design would be best created from the ground up as part of the overall design of the loco. Just as Lionel would have done, as you suggest. 😊 It would be cool though!
Here I am drinking a cup of Glen gettie tea and munching on a cube of Turkish Delight whilst watching one of your delightful presentations. I am like gin the dream. Happy New Year
Wonderful! Happy New Year to you too Chris! 😊😊😊
And thanks. 😊
That is a great and creative addition to the Shay. It runs very well
It does run well. The very slight better control in adding a servo to the steam regulator would not be worth the extra work and no doubt cutting snd drilling required.
Great job Terry.Shes running really well.
Extreme Scotch eh.I may have a glass or two of that at new year.🤣
Lol! Yes. That sounds good. 👍 😊🥃
Amazing job, Terry! Hard to believe you were able to make it work in such a small space!
Thanks John. The trade off is using AAA batteries with 1100 milliamps, versus AA batteries with 2400 milliamps. But with only one micro servo to operate it won’t be too bad. I’ll just keep them charged between sessions.
While watching this I thought would be neat to get the smallest metal gear servo could find, build a scale wood load and put the servo in there. Not sure if the figures arm moves but be really cool to run the rod though the arm so looked like the figure was moving it.
Hi Philip. The figure’s arm does move, but I could bot quite work out a good angle to make it all happen. Your idea to hide the servo in a wood pile is a good one.
I hope to add RC to my Mamod, eventually. Ive just bought a butane burner which will help with constant pressure in the boiler instead of tablets that slowly fizzle out after 5 minutes and adjusting the reverser is constantly different with the lowering flames.
Yes! The butane burner will make a lot of difference. I look forward to the development of your loco Everett.
Nicely done, I have heard from several people who have done exactly this type of R/C control system before in other Accucraft model locomotives. And it seems to work just fine. I do think at some point you will have to attach the reach rod to the Johnson bar, rather than wrap the wire around it as you did.
Thanks! Perhaps I will eventually attach the rod to the bar. But as it is, the loco runs just fine for now.
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks it will depend alot on how often you run the locomotive, and how much you change directions while doing so. A friend did basically the same setup, after a time he did have issues with either the throttle or the reverser fully engaging
@@timothyboles6457 yeah, I imagine the loop will stretch and such. I’ll get around to drilling a small hole through the lever.
@@timothyboles6457 …and good to hear about your friend’s experience with it. Thanks. ☺️
Truly a marvelous enjin
And im pretty sure realistically
They would run the engine so that the steam engine and shaft is on the outside of a corner
To not compress it to improve performance
And also im pretty sure diamond stacks where used on coal too
Coal also needs spark arrestors
85s is in his smokebox
There is so much chuncks of coal wedged in those things
I only saw 1 spark leave 85
And that was when we had funky coal and they had to assist the coal with wood while winding the blower after he was put to bed
Yeah, I looked deeper into it. The early locos used diamond stacks for spark arresting until they came up with deeper smoke boxes. I don’t like the look of the diamond stack as much though. On this loco it is huge and bulky.
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks true
Just pretend she has a sentrofugal spark arrestor lol
i have no idea if i spelled that right or not
@@laaity i shall pretend. ☺️ (starts with a c). Lol
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks th-cam.com/video/XZxzJGgox_E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=JKWtfBx6JYvhlZRG
Very nicely done, and have a happy New Year.
Thanks! A Happy New Year to you too. ☺️
Perfect and simple, love it.
BTW, I did this same trick to an Accucraft Ruby, that was when they first came out. I only servo'd the valve gear/reverser and it worked like a charm as does yours.
Man, you're giving me ideas for the Shay operations on the Javelina Branch...
*Edit: Spelling.
Awesome! Whereabouts are you located? We’re in far Eastern Ontario.
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks High Desert, central Arizona.
@@LiquorandCheeseburgers nice! Warm.
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks It can definitely get toasty, but as soon as the sun starts setting, things get chilly pretty quick.
I love how remote we are. An hour plus from the grocery store, go days without seeing anyone besides a random cowboy looking for lost live stock. Lots of wild life and mountains surround us 360⁰.
We have a lot of land to play with, 2 acres actually. Soooo many Homestead Projects before I start my railroad but will be getting back up to speed with the model building and what not.
Thinking about a second TH-cam account for a homesteading/railroading channel....
@@LiquorandCheeseburgers i’d be interested in your suggested second channel. I wish we had more land and such. We have a regular house lot. Not one of those modern postage stamp sized lots with a house covering it all and close to the other houses. But at least we are in a village 40 mins from a city.
Single servo control is possible because of the piston valve valve gear. Speed and direction on one control. If you had true Stephenson's valve gear in the locomotive, you would need two servos and I speak from experience in saying this is vastly more complex. Easy to run the as you have it , and I'm glad you're doing operations with the locomotive.
@@steamrocksindeed. One benefit of the less than realistic valve gear! ☺️ Good fun.
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks I have fully functional Stephenson's valve gear on my Shay and it is radio controlled, the only one that I know of that is. I do require a two servo system to do it, but all (5) of my live steamers use that. My Shay 'engine' is the Mark II version of the Catatonk Shay built by Mike Chaney. I never bought the locomotive but had the engine assembly built to order. It has been thoroughly rebuilt by Bill Allen to include ball bearings in the main bearings AND all four cams! The locomotive itself is a 14-15 ton Shay, scratchbuilt. This includes the "tee" boiler and trucks. As of this writing the locomotive is over 15 years old and going strong, capable of switching and logging operations, all by R/C.
@@steamrocks i’m going to pop to you channel because I just looked and think it’s there.
Very cool. I do not know much yet about live steam g scale but I was curious about a throttle? Is that the upper swing lever I see to the left of the reverse? Again I do not know how adjustable the throttles are and the speed you have selected is nice for your layout but with a throttle control could one come to a gradual stop , or am I over thinking it? I think futaba makes even smaller micro servos if you have another channel. But very cool video it shows off the shay well. You should let accucraft know for sure. Have a great new year too.
Hi Lyndon. Thanks for your questions! The steam regulators on scale live steam produce nowhere near as fine control as you get with electric trains. Adding a servo to the steam regulator (throttle) would not be worth the effort of finding a way to add the extra equipment and wires and no doubt would involve some cutting and drilling. And it would be rather more visible.
Oh, and I hope you have a good nee year too. 😊
Very nice job.
Thanks so much! 😊
Very well done Terry. Do they make any Sound Systems for those Shays? I should get my new Shay next Week. Says it's been shipped. I think 8 Shays might be enough now lol.
Thanks Matt! Naw, you can never have too many shays. Lol. I’m sure someone makes a sound system for a shay. I know they have been produced for DCC in HO and On30.
Wow, what next? Cylinder releasing steam? Honestly this model is very accurate!
Yep. It is a marvellous engine. It cane with verrrrry fine brass chord to attach to the bell and whistle, but I have not installed it. I think I’ll break it with my fumbly fingers when handling the loco. Lol
Hi terry, watching your videos of your garden railway and indoor layout got me hooked in the model train hobby. I just bought my first live steam train from MSS. Do you know if I can run it on any O gauge track?
Hi Conner! Your text makes my day! 😊😊😊😊😊😊 With regards to the MSS loco, pretty much any brand of O track will work. But you must keep the curves broad as this is a top heavy and speedy little loco. 😊 Five feet diameter minimum is what I suggest. Also, if you have not, save your shekels for a butane burner system made for this loco to replace the solid fuel tray. You’ll thank me!
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks thank you for the reply. Once I get it delivered, I plan on upgrading the the burner to a gas burner and installing a summer Lands chuffer. After having various wilescos and mamod traction engines running on the solid fuel, it was a very easy decision to get rid of the stinky solid fuel burner and upgrade it to the butane.
@@connerwright665 awesome. 👍
Video Request: Get her up to full speed and then slap her into reverse at WOT. Should be easy with your r/c on the Johnson Bar.
What does WOT mean?
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks wide open throttle
Hmmmm. Let me think about that. I probably can as part of my next video.
Something like this: th-cam.com/video/GEmOJVCXZhg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=HO8Zk-Wz9tXZKJCU
Something like this: th-cam.com/video/GEmOJVCXZhg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=HO8Zk-Wz9tXZKJCU
Nice Terry. Did you have a good Christmas?
I had an awesome Christmas. Did you?
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks yes.
There's a moose loose aboot this hoose 😂
As seen from the caboose!
I have a question, a bit non related. Did you make your own decals? They look really nice.
Yes. I used a graphics program, sized them, and had them printed at stickeryou. Search online. They are vinyl stickers, which you can get away with in this scale.
Here is a vid about how I did these logos: Victoria BC: Vinyl Sticker Logos - With RC Live Steam/Diesel Action, & Characters! (Plz Sub & Share)
th-cam.com/video/Du-koTKbt7E/w-d-xo.html
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks great vid, thanks!
@@LiquorandCheeseburgers np. 😊
@@Terrys-Steam-and-Bricks My big weakness is computers and all that. I know how to get around with them and I used to integrate and automate electronics, but never really mastered the graphics design stuff. I'll probably find someone to help me or just farm that one out to a pro.
My logo is going to be the earlier "Toilet Seat" logo from D&RGW. Except with my railroads name, a different scene (cactus/mesa etc), something simple.
But I like this vinyl idea a lot......