Another basically retired newbie who just found your channel. I grew up sailing small craft in Wisconsin, but I've got the bug to move onto a boat and see more ocean. Great content in these videos!
Tim, with regard to crewing for people to relocate their boat and gain experience. Ask the owner and captain a LOT of questions!!! Ask about their back up plans, their approach to decision making, and most importantly, what their limits are for go/no-go options or course diversions. It's difficult as a newbie, who, possibly is in competition with other candidates to speak up or challenge a long-time sailor about these things. If you don't, or more importantly if you ignore potential signs of questionable judgment, it can kill you as it almost did myself and three others 100 miles SSE of Long Island in 2022. We were completing a transport from St Thomas when the owner/captain chose to sail us through a gale with winds gusting to 60 knots. The 40 ft boat capsized, and we had to be rescued by the Coast Guard. Also, several posts in well-known crew seeking sites are little more than Tinder with a sailboat. Some great experiences can be had, but also some shall we say, sub optimal outcomes are out there as well. Thanks for the videos!
I just helped a dock mate move his boat from Solomons, MD to Vero Beach, Florida. It was a great experience, we sailed to Norfolk, then took the ICW from Norfolk to Beaufort, NC. Then an offshore hop to Charleston, SC followed by offshore to Ft. Pierce, FL. I live aboard my 1984 Nordic 44, and plan to make the trip south next fall. I am ASA 101, 103/4 certified, and willing to help crew for others if they need it!
Another option is to join a Sailing School. One exists like Buffalo Sailing, in Buffalo, NY. Maybe others exist. We got to take ASA courses and had access to sailboats to sail between lessons. We went from a “sunfish owner to Hunter 33”. The system works. We now sail on Lake Ontario from Sodus Bay Yacht Club.
I bought a boat, motored it out in the middle of the lake, turned the motor off and then figured out how to make it move with the sails. That was a 24 foot boat with a keel and almost standing head room. I had grown up with my parents in an 18 foot canoe with a sailing rig and daggerboards, and my uncle sailed around the world with his Valiant 40. I had spent a windless afternoon on his boat once and he hadn’t started his trip yet when I bought my boat. My brother did crew for him for a week going down the ICW. I don’t recommend buying too large of a first boat. There was a guy at my marina who was really Mr. Sailing, but his boat was more than 40 feet with a full keel and a bowsprit and it turned out he was too terrified to back it out of his slip. I think the only time it left the dock was when someone came and took him sailing. I really liked that my first boat had a fin keel, a large rudder and an outboard motor, so it could turn inside its own length. My second boat had an infernal diesel engine and was a whole new learning curve, but the roller furling was a game changer in comfort and convenience. Now I am retired and thinking about another boat, but I like smaller cheaper and easy to handle boats. Anything you break on a 45 foot boat is going to cost twice as much as a 35 foot.
Back in the 80s, got the sailing urge and read every book that I could find on sailing, bought a 16 foot day sailer and made every mistake known to man. Mistakes became less and less. Several boats later I am now well retired and still dreaming of the Bahamas. Hoping that I can still carry on this fine hobby for a few more years. Love your channel. Keep it going.
This year I sailed on a brand new catamaran through Asia and across the Pacific The deal was they'd pay for my flight one way, all the food on board and I just had to be crew. I chipped in a bit more; for me that's just part of the fun. It was hard, I loved it, can't wait to do it again. And now that I've got so much blue water experience, I'll have a good chance at the next delivery crew. A year ago I paid a few grand to sail through the Bahamas for three weeks and back to Florida. We seemed to just visit bars, but I was on an amazing boat with good sailors in the Bahamas! (Sailing for me is like I'm 7 years old, it's my birthday and that thing in the wrapping paper is a bicycle. Giddy.) Whenever I've been on a chartered boat, there was always something seriously wrong. Total drag. Hey we've upgraded you to the Fontaine Pajot.... the steering doesn't work but you won't be able to figure that out until you've left port..... Other people's boats? Always in terrific condition and they know how everything works. Best way to learn. Tim, I'll check out your east coast Facebook, but I'm on the West Coast and my boat is on the West Coast.... So any Lady K Patreons in the Southern California area or can get there I've got a Hunter Passage 456 . Be happy to take you out for a day sail to Anacapa Island and around it, or anchor overnight at another island. Looking for any excuse to go out sailing.
hey tim i just wanted to say thank you for all your time and effort you have put into all your videos i really have learned so much and yes,,,i have definitly cought the sailing bug great job.... hopefully i will see you out there one day a loyal watcher
Crew Finder is the only way, and the best way to get started. Of course if the exists to take a RYA/ASA certs class, then better still. In 1 year you can get 3 or 4 (Boat) experiences on the water. This is just enough to get the fever or leave it along. Please remember a bad/Not good experience on someone else boat is still a learning experience.
As always a very informative and motivational video. Thanks! I've got the problem the other away around. Owning an older 24 footer I often look for a hand. Preferring to get out in over 15 knots and without any furling system I do need a mate sometimes. With a long keel its a nice to have in the marina, too. And yes I do take my passengers into account and go out with newbies only in a light breeze). I'm living at the Baltic between Germany and Denmark. There are a few clubs here but I actually didn't find one with an active community to get out sailing together (there are two but they take racing to serious for my boat and money). Most boats in marinas and clubs are owned by people living somewhere else and spending there holidays cruising. We have a telegram group for sailing but every time I tried, the people answering where just unreliable ("I have a hangover" "I forgot something and don't have time" or just plain ghosting) and I never got once out sailing with someone from this group... So for becoming sailors: Be reliable! There is someone putting a lot of money and time in a boat and is willing to teach you? Than don't waste their time. For me: Is this crewfinding thing also usable for day and weekend sailing? Does anyone know if there is a facebook group for my area (starting in Flensburg Fjord)? I didn't have a facebook account for 10 years or so but I didn't had a youtube one for a long time either and than came Tim with his good videos and his "please suscribe and comment" ;-) So if its worth it I will try.
Only ever did two races on someone else’s boat. Did an ASA 101 sail class Bought a cal 227 , sailed it on a small lake for a year. Sold everything bought a 40 jeanneau ds. Did the 103 and 104 on the new boat. Sailed to oriental from Southport with the previous owner Did a refit and sailed to Florida then to dry tortegas. Then to Bimini and the abacos Had a friend sail with us to Bahamas. Went north back to NC then sailed down with another friend to Florida. I’m semi retired and wife is retired. I would say a retired couple really need a sugar scoop for getting in and out of a dingy and in and out of the water. We have now clocked of 5000 nautical miles and about to head south again with a group of other boats This year we will be buddy boating south with other friends boats. The sailing part is not the hard part it’s the knowing when to go and which way to go. So weather, tides and local features like sand bars. My wife does Facebook , I hate it. Too much drama and I don’t particularly like cruising forum either , lots of garden chair , gin palace sailors or some down right rude people.
I crew on a Wednesday night club racer and learn something just about every time out. Seems like most captains are looking for reliable crew and don't mind teaching new folks
Hi, You mentionned east coast crew finder. Is that Canada's east coast? I'll be heading out in around Halifax this spring. Eager to crew or retire on my own sailboat. Love your show. Remi
We have a sailing center. The pickup races on Sundays are fun. The J24 racing I encountered a lot condescending attitudes and they weren't willing to teach, so I quit. I guess that's a part of sailing. I have encountered a few a-holes. Most people are nice.
Aways Excellent Video! 50yrs sailing experience bought my retirement Sailboat 3yrs algo (Hunter 290 OO) Life has been a beach since then instead of stress..
Hi, I worked in the Virgin Islands for a couple of years and learned to sail from 2 friends that were locals and always wanted to have a sailboat and still do. money's funny you know how that is. that's how I learned to sail, other than watching TH-cam channels. They called the TH-cam sailor lol. Thanks for listening
Tim is absolutely correct. I am (again) a valued crew member on an IC-24 (trimmer/foredeck) for Wednesday night racing at Oklahoma City Boat Club. The cost for the is experience is FREE (not all clubs may allow this). Simply be reliable and show up willing to learn. I got may start crewing this boat from 2007 thru 2011 then took off to get my pilot's license. Now I am back on the same boat with the same skipper and we were winning until the season ended. Additionally, I bought a club member's Catalina 22. Now I am getting experience as a racing skipper on the Sunday series races. My nephew is my crew. He is OJT, on the job training... Thanks for all the cruising boat information. I really hope i can cut all ties and get out there some day. Cheers!
I leaned to sail in college, which had a required sailing program. I disagree 100% about racing. Joining a yacht club is expensive and around here you need to know the right people to get required referrals. In my experience delivery crewing almost always involves a schedule. That may mean a lot of motoring or making hops in pretty crummy conditions.
Long ago when I lived in California latitude 38 was great for crew finding. I don't know if they still are. I live in Florida now and there's no crew finders here that I'm aware of.
Man how timely!! I have been asking these questions for a while for when I retire in 5-7 yrs, as it turns out will be retiring this year, and I am now looking for a way to pull the trigger earlier!
As someone with no skills who is considering buying a 32-38' cabin cruiser (I live inland so this will be river and Great Loop travel when I retire) this gives me a few ideas. There are some marinas down on the Ohio River I can check out.
@@CodeSquares Unfortunately there is not a lot out there at a shorter length with A) The required headroom, and B) A bathroom with a shower. Even the shower is optional as a wet head is acceptable if it is one without all the nooks and crannies I see around many of the vac-flush toilet systems. I will accept suggestions for any cabin cruisers that would be suitable. Right now the best option seems to be a Carver Mariner (mid 80s to 2000-ish). Not too expensive in case I have an "oops".
@@Bigrignohio I bought a Nordic 44 sailboat for my first boat. You are going to learn how to handle a boat, and the learning curve is steep. Ideally, you would learn on a small boat and work your way up, but don't fret if you want to buy your last boat first! You can do it, it is going to be a learning experience with a 24 ft boat, or a 44 ft boat!
@@gymcoachdon I mean, I would HOPE a powered boat would be a little better on the learning curve. And honestly if I was going to get anything over 38' I would immediately get bow/stern thrusters installed. Basically I want to experience liveaboard locally. On the Ohio River. That way I can make a better decision on how or if I want to retire on a boat (sail or powered). Figure if I can survive a few winters on the Ohio then I can survive anywhere :)
@@BigrignohioI would guess that they pull boats out of the water for winter there even if the river moves enough to not freeze, everything inside the boat would freeze. I lived on my boat twice and both times when December came I got an apartment. The key is to always keep the air moving. Fiberglass has no insulation so you would want to add some foam or something to insulate. Otherwise you will be sleeping on a wet mattress from condensation on the walls and under the mattress and sometimes dripping from above. One of my friends had a radiator that didn’t circulate air and he was miserable with mold and mildew. I had a space heater and a vented diesel heater and a dehumidifier and I took showers in the marina instead of the boat. A portable propane heater will fog up all the windows in minutes which is why you want a vented one. Also the marina usually shuts off the water when it will be below freezing, so you need to keep your water warm enough to not freeze, or drain it until it gets warmer
Started sailing last year by taking ASA101 with my son who was a pre-teen at the time. We completed it + started chartering boats 1-2 times a month, moving progressively bigger each time. Bought our Baba 30 this year + started a refit while still sailing. Figured everything out as we went, on sailing as well as repairs. Never was able to crew as races other than kids on sunfish aren’t common in the area.
That's me!!!! I've been watching your channel (and a few other well known sailing TH-cam channels) and plan to sail away when retired. So much good advice here (as always). Thank you so much 😊
What do you know and where can you get advice for sailing for disabled people? "Disabled" of course, means a world of different things from people who are just a little wobbly, to folks in wheelchairs, blind folks and people in the deaf community. Having sailed a lot when I was younger, I miss it a lot and would hope there are opportunities for folk to get sailing who are enthusiastic, but not "able-bodied.' Thanks.
We bought our first boat site unseen with no experience and learned how to sail from the people we met on our dock. It’s been an amazing experience with our two golden retrievers. Shun the nonbelievers because there will be many.
Love your channel, mate! Single-income family and can't afford to 'pay in' as - you know - have so many monthly outgoings, but great content! Got an old English Contessa sailboat, modest and just about affordable. Approaching retirement with dreams of coast hopping from where I am based in the south uk to France/west coast France/ Spain/ Portugal etc etc and hopefully the Med later. Thanks for your work and invaluable info you give to to 'ordinary' boat folk!
If you like Sailing history then watch around cape horn 1929. I'm ex British Merchant Navy and American merchant Marine, this video blew my mind ! Well worth a watch and of a by gone era. It's on you tube.
Can confirm that crewing on a race boat is fantastic experience and fun. Over night races are amazing. Learned so much more than the ASA classes taught. Do it!! Edit: The party after the race is almost as fun as the race!! So many good quality people! Thought sportsmanship was dead until I went racing on a sailboat!
My wife & I are at that stage. We have a goal to live aboard a sailboat in the Bahamas in retirement but want to see what it’s like, and how to do it, before we make that BIG decision.
I’m way to young to be thinking about retirement, but I’d love to do that as well. Unfortunately my favorite spots there seem to only be able to accommodate boats with drafts of 6’ or less, so I’d need a boat with a lifting keel.
@@Metal_Auditorthere are lots of boats with shoal draft keels, wing keels as well as centerboard and dagger boards. It seems like most boats on the east coast are designed for the Chesapeake, or Bahamas. Here on the west coast you can be 100 feet offshore and be in 600 feet of water and my rule is if I can see the bottom, it’s too close
I have known how to sail Sunfish and small Hobies all my life. And I always thought that someday, I would like to live aboard a sailboat. From a very young age, I've been involved in motorsports of all types. It is very natural to me to think that "if you want to get really good at something, compete." When I retired from motocross and offroad racing about 2012, I joined the crew of a J/105 on a local lake. Today, I have more than 500 race starts, mostly windward-leeward, but with some good offshore miles. I've sailed in two J/105 North Americans. Twice the Newport to Bermuda, once on a J/42 and once on a J/105. Twice, Chicago-Mac on J/105 each time. I just got off the Harvest Moon Regatta last weekend. That was a practice race our Pacific Cup crew for next July. (San Fran to Hawaii) I am in mid 50s now. I feel pretty prepared to own an ocean crossing sailboat. The countdown is getting short.
The question gnawing at the back of my mind every time I'm inland, luckily not right now. Tim's advice is spot on: it's fun learning the ropes & meeting lots of new people. I can't really crew atm as I can't commit to decent stretches, but it's a near-term goal. So I'm just "mucking around in boats" for now. Thanks as always, from a thunderous evening on Chevron Isl, Qld.⚓
Always great information. I haven’t looked at all of your past videos. I had an interesting question or thought for a video. What are the large downturns to sailing as one get older? You have been sailing for a while already and what things have you noticed or have talked with other sailers that become less appealing as you get older in regards to maintenance, sailing, cautions to plan for. I know just bobbing up and down in the Caribbean is going to be a pleasure but what do you see as alignments that make sailing less appealing and what are good work arounds for the older population of sailers. I’m thinking of heavy seas and the different items to health to keep the soreness down as one ages.
Sorry I did not enter any contest but if you are giving me a sailing adventure on your boat please send me your address and contact phone number and IO'll contact you . Ha ha I also see that everyone was a winner??
Lady K. Help and assist. It’s approaching time for me to go. Sailing is my exit strategy and I might not be available to crew within a yacht club. I know the work needs to happen; however, time fleets. Thank you, JM BTW, I’m 5 years out. Living in Huntington Beach. Thank you!
The other option is to by a trailer sailer and learn the basics, what Im doing now, then if you take a class or help on another boat, you won't be starting at the bottom, speed up the learning curve
I've often wanted to crew for someone, but I'm 6+ hours from Seattle or San Francisco, and it seems like there's nothing going on in-between. I've got my ASA 101-104 and I can't continue with the 106 until I gain some experience. Spending a day driving, only to sail for a few hours and spend another day coming back home just doesn't work. I thought about taking a week and flying across the country for some of that Bahamas action, but again, I can't do that on a regular basis. So, having said all that, my only option is to find a job somewhere that's near a sailing community. But I suppose it could be worse. I could live in Arizona or Colorado.
I would look at sailing on a nearby lake. My first experience was on a 18 foot canoe with a sail rig and dagger boards. Most of the coast between Seattle and San Francisco has very few ports and all of them have dangerous river bars, so there probably isn’t much sailing. But on a lake you could go with a trailer boat, or a car top boat and sail anywhere and any time
My advice, friend: join flotillas. I live in colorado and I've got a few thousand NMs behind me, including ASA106 between Florida and Bimini and a delivery from guatemala to mexico. I just recently certified as an ASA instructor - ironically in Seattle - and am doing some more instructor certs in San Diego next month. I only did ASA101/103 in Colorado. After 103, i did 104 between LA and Catalina and then started jumping on flotillas. They made a huge difference.
The intro hits home for me. I've been sailing my whole life, but just recently (at 50y/o) got my ASA cert. I'm not so interested in racing, so it's hard to get acquainted with cruisers. Thanks for this episode!
We did some boat charters where you share the boat with other people and a pro skipper, not cheap but you get on a boat with like minded people and meet cruisers in the ports
Just want to give my 2 cents how i got started sailing. I have been totally hooked on the sailing videos TH-camrs put out. I have met a couple of some well known ones. I am 63 by the way. Last year i signed up for ASA 101, 103 and 104 in Narragansett Bay. The 104 was canceled because the school could not find an instructor. I loved the classes and we sailed a 30 ft Pearson. I highly recommend taking these courses. They give you the knowledge and confidence to get started. I became friends with a guy in the classes. We both had the same level of wanting to sail. We started going out looking at boats. We looked at probably 10 boats before we found what we wanted. We learned a lot just looking at boats then sitting and chatting with the owners. We decided we liked a 1981 Catalina 30. Nice and roomy, good reputation then not so small we would outgrow it and not too big to handle. It was on stands so we never saw it in the water. We replaced a stuffing box for a dripless shaft seal and put on a new stainless steel mixing elbow. Our maiden voyage came on a rainy day. We had to go 40 mi from Jamestown, RI to Mattapoisett, Ma. First time sailing without an instructor and first time using Navionics. Took us 11 hrs because we had to motor sail 30 mi. Got to Buzzards Bay and sailed the remaining 10 mi. Got to the mooring just as it was getting dark. We loved that adventure! We sailed almost every weekend of the season. A boat partner is a good way to go. It has its challenges where you have to compromise but you always have someone to sail with and learn. I also want to take off sailing when i retire.
Thanks for the link to the crew site. I've been asking around to see if anyone needed extra crew for next year racing season. This will help in the journey of getting more experience.
Hey Tim, love the channel and Historsea! Suggestion for a video. Inflatable sailing dinghy for when at anchor and still want to keep sailing, or a hobby on the local lake. I have my eye on a Minicat 320, but would love to hear your thoughts.
As someone who's son has just become an adult and who's daughter is turning 18 next Feb, and is looking at getting a boat and heading out with the family to explore this beautiful blue ball we call earth, this video and your others btw, have been very helpful. One thing I felt that could of been touched on, is there a good professional sailing school for someone like me to learn all the important stuff needed like navigation or basic laws of the sea? The idea of the racing team seems like a fantastic one as well. What would your thoughts be on "hiring" a captain, to take the boat out and instruct us on how to use the boat that I end up purchasing, how long would something like that take to get the hang of? Thoughts on a Hunter 460 3 cabin for general cruising in the Caribbean and maybe an occasional run to Hawaii or the Med, or would I need a 'proper' bluewater boat for something like that?
Just a Texas desert dweller which never misses an episode dreaming of a sailors life that will probably never be, but living vicariously through all you lucky bastards who have the option of doing so.
I've got the sailing experience, I'm refitting my boat & I'm almost ready to retire, hopefully, late this year!? 😊⛵👍 The 'Whitsundays', will be the perfect place to move to & live on my boat in my retirement. 👍
Ok, so my sailing resume is that I have owned two boats now - a 26 and a 27. I have sailed a lot of other boats, including starting my sailing career in the Navy aboard HMCS Oriole. I've sailed 16' Hobie Cats, 24"sloops, Tanzer 26, Mirage 30... this list honestly just goes on and on. My only reservation now is that I am now older and cannot just "go sailing". If I am going cruising over distance or over time, it is wort noting that I require a CPAP for sleeping. Yeah, I know that messes thing s up. So my question then really is this; are there any cruisers who understand us senior sailors and appreciate what we bring to the table? Or is this strictly a young person's game now?
Absolutely despise facebook(should have been expelled and lost the theft lawsuit). For a Real Sailing Experience Sail Training Vessel Picton Castle does circumnavigations on Tradewinds courses on a student crewed tall ship. You must be able to physically cope with demands of sailing(climbing rigging,hauling lines etc), psychologically able to live for several weeks as crew and trainee. The life time experience is invaluable and will let you know if you are cut out for life on the water or before the mast. How well do you sleep during the day after night watch? In rough conditions? Eat,cook,clean,constant maintenance and repairs? Navigate and communicate? Other options are organized cruises Arc,Salty dog etc. Fair winds and following seas
Great idea! We are doing our first bareboat charter this Spring and then your crewfinder page sounds great. Ever look at Wauquiez or other deck saloon types? Good or bad for Caribbean cruise?
Retire… to a constant project. Something is always broken/ needs maintenance. It takes several hours to get to a grocery store, do laundry, go out to dinner other than overpriced waterfront dining. Very difficult living, that channels sell you on beaches and sun. Wait til reality sets in!
Just saying ... I have never had less interest in anything more than racing. You continually bring this up episode after episode, but what about those of us who enjoy the slow and laid back side of sailing? My life is full of work, chores, and obligations that I want to escape from by way of sailing, I just want to move along at whatever pace the wind will allow and relax. I have at least an hour's drive to the nearest tidal waters, which is the likely location that i will keep my boat when i buy it. How about an episode with the best way to evaluate sailing courses / schools for those of us who cannot commit to weekly racing schedules, but need a good refresher or basic skills class. What is considered a reasonable cost for lessons? What accreditations should we look for in the Captain giving the course? What certificates are universally accepted worldwide?
I'm with you - I absolutely abhor racing 😴 💤 As a student I'm certified up to ASA106. That was the course where I felt "ohyeah, I can do this!" Prior to that I did the ASA101 etc courses -- but after 104 I started doing flotillas. I really like flotillas - you get to sail with other competent sailors with different backgrounds who can show you other ways of doing things (some good, some bad). And you get to visit different places on different boats. It's a great experience for someone who doesn't enjoy racing. Or, I think so anyway. The costs are great, too. You share of the boat on a flotilla is usually 1500 USD or less for a week, and then approx 200 USD for the cruising kitty for the week. I've been to Italy, Spain, and the Bahamas on a flotilla. There are also flotillas in the Pacific Northwest USA, the western Caribbean, Oceania, Turkey, and a few other spots - try a Google search for flotillas and see what comes up. I hope that helps.
Another basically retired newbie who just found your channel. I grew up sailing small craft in Wisconsin, but I've got the bug to move onto a boat and see more ocean. Great content in these videos!
Sailing? The most expensive, slowest, and difficult way to see the world. Wouldnt have it any other way. Been sailing for 40+ years.
Tim, with regard to crewing for people to relocate their boat and gain experience. Ask the owner and captain a LOT of questions!!! Ask about their back up plans, their approach to decision making, and most importantly, what their limits are for go/no-go options or course diversions. It's difficult as a newbie, who, possibly is in competition with other candidates to speak up or challenge a long-time sailor about these things. If you don't, or more importantly if you ignore potential signs of questionable judgment, it can kill you as it almost did myself and three others 100 miles SSE of Long Island in 2022. We were completing a transport from St Thomas when the owner/captain chose to sail us through a gale with winds gusting to 60 knots. The 40 ft boat capsized, and we had to be rescued by the Coast Guard. Also, several posts in well-known crew seeking sites are little more than Tinder with a sailboat. Some great experiences can be had, but also some shall we say, sub optimal outcomes are out there as well. Thanks for the videos!
I just helped a dock mate move his boat from Solomons, MD to Vero Beach, Florida. It was a great experience, we sailed to Norfolk, then took the ICW from Norfolk to Beaufort, NC. Then an offshore hop to Charleston, SC followed by offshore to Ft. Pierce, FL. I live aboard my 1984 Nordic 44, and plan to make the trip south next fall. I am ASA 101, 103/4 certified, and willing to help crew for others if they need it!
Another option is to join a Sailing School. One exists like Buffalo Sailing, in Buffalo, NY. Maybe others exist. We got to take ASA courses and had access to sailboats to sail between lessons. We went from a “sunfish owner to Hunter 33”. The system works. We now sail on Lake Ontario from Sodus Bay Yacht Club.
I bought a boat, motored it out in the middle of the lake, turned the motor off and then figured out how to make it move with the sails. That was a 24 foot boat with a keel and almost standing head room. I had grown up with my parents in an 18 foot canoe with a sailing rig and daggerboards, and my uncle sailed around the world with his Valiant 40. I had spent a windless afternoon on his boat once and he hadn’t started his trip yet when I bought my boat. My brother did crew for him for a week going down the ICW.
I don’t recommend buying too large of a first boat. There was a guy at my marina who was really Mr. Sailing, but his boat was more than 40 feet with a full keel and a bowsprit and it turned out he was too terrified to back it out of his slip. I think the only time it left the dock was when someone came and took him sailing. I really liked that my first boat had a fin keel, a large rudder and an outboard motor, so it could turn inside its own length. My second boat had an infernal diesel engine and was a whole new learning curve, but the roller furling was a game changer in comfort and convenience.
Now I am retired and thinking about another boat, but I like smaller cheaper and easy to handle boats. Anything you break on a 45 foot boat is going to cost twice as much as a 35 foot.
Back in the 80s, got the sailing urge and read every book that I could find on sailing, bought a 16 foot day sailer and made every mistake known to man. Mistakes became less and less. Several boats later I am now well retired and still dreaming of the Bahamas. Hoping that I can still carry on this fine hobby for a few more years. Love your channel. Keep it going.
@lady_ksailingpeddle ye scams further into the triangle ya bottom feeder
This year I sailed on a brand new catamaran through Asia and across the Pacific The deal was they'd pay for my flight one way, all the food on board and I just had to be crew. I chipped in a bit more; for me that's just part of the fun. It was hard, I loved it, can't wait to do it again. And now that I've got so much blue water experience, I'll have a good chance at the next delivery crew. A year ago I paid a few grand to sail through the Bahamas for three weeks and back to Florida. We seemed to just visit bars, but I was on an amazing boat with good sailors in the Bahamas! (Sailing for me is like I'm 7 years old, it's my birthday and that thing in the wrapping paper is a bicycle. Giddy.) Whenever I've been on a chartered boat, there was always something seriously wrong. Total drag. Hey we've upgraded you to the Fontaine Pajot.... the steering doesn't work but you won't be able to figure that out until you've left port..... Other people's boats? Always in terrific condition and they know how everything works. Best way to learn.
Tim, I'll check out your east coast Facebook, but I'm on the West Coast and my boat is on the West Coast.... So any Lady K Patreons in the Southern California area or can get there I've got a Hunter Passage 456 . Be happy to take you out for a day sail to Anacapa Island and around it, or anchor overnight at another island. Looking for any excuse to go out sailing.
hey tim
i just wanted to say thank you for all your time and effort you have put into all your videos
i really have learned so much and yes,,,i have definitly cought the sailing bug
great job....
hopefully i will see you out there one day
a loyal watcher
Ditto. Well said sir, couldn’t agree more.
Thank youuuuu 🙏
Crew Finder is the only way, and the best way to get started. Of course if the exists to take a RYA/ASA certs class, then better still. In 1 year you can get 3 or 4 (Boat) experiences on the water. This is just enough to get the fever or leave it along. Please remember a bad/Not good experience on someone else boat is still a learning experience.
As always a very informative and motivational video. Thanks! I've got the problem the other away around. Owning an older 24 footer I often look for a hand. Preferring to get out in over 15 knots and without any furling system I do need a mate sometimes. With a long keel its a nice to have in the marina, too. And yes I do take my passengers into account and go out with newbies only in a light breeze). I'm living at the Baltic between Germany and Denmark. There are a few clubs here but I actually didn't find one with an active community to get out sailing together (there are two but they take racing to serious for my boat and money). Most boats in marinas and clubs are owned by people living somewhere else and spending there holidays cruising. We have a telegram group for sailing but every time I tried, the people answering where just unreliable ("I have a hangover" "I forgot something and don't have time" or just plain ghosting) and I never got once out sailing with someone from this group...
So for becoming sailors: Be reliable! There is someone putting a lot of money and time in a boat and is willing to teach you? Than don't waste their time.
For me: Is this crewfinding thing also usable for day and weekend sailing? Does anyone know if there is a facebook group for my area (starting in Flensburg Fjord)? I didn't have a facebook account for 10 years or so but I didn't had a youtube one for a long time either and than came Tim with his good videos and his "please suscribe and comment" ;-) So if its worth it I will try.
Only ever did two races on someone else’s boat.
Did an ASA 101 sail class
Bought a cal 227 , sailed it on a small lake for a year.
Sold everything bought a 40 jeanneau ds.
Did the 103 and 104 on the new boat.
Sailed to oriental from Southport with the previous owner
Did a refit and sailed to Florida then to dry tortegas. Then to Bimini and the abacos
Had a friend sail with us to Bahamas. Went north back to NC then sailed down with another friend to Florida.
I’m semi retired and wife is retired. I would say a retired couple really need a sugar scoop for getting in and out of a dingy and in and out of the water.
We have now clocked of 5000 nautical miles and about to head south again with a group of other boats
This year we will be buddy boating south with other friends boats.
The sailing part is not the hard part it’s the knowing when to go and which way to go. So weather, tides and local features like sand bars.
My wife does Facebook , I hate it. Too much drama and I don’t particularly like cruising forum either , lots of garden chair , gin palace sailors or some down right rude people.
I crew on a Wednesday night club racer and learn something just about every time out. Seems like most captains are looking for reliable crew and don't mind teaching new folks
We bought our boat after ASA 101 and 103. But zero experience….we live in Hawaii and just started sailing! We sail 12 months a year here!
Hi,
You mentionned east coast crew finder. Is that Canada's east coast?
I'll be heading out in around Halifax this spring.
Eager to crew or retire on my own sailboat.
Love your show.
Remi
We have a sailing center. The pickup races on Sundays are fun. The J24 racing I encountered a lot condescending attitudes and they weren't willing to teach, so I quit. I guess that's a part of sailing. I have encountered a few a-holes. Most people are nice.
Aways Excellent Video! 50yrs sailing experience bought my retirement Sailboat 3yrs algo (Hunter 290 OO) Life has been a beach since then instead of stress..
I have no sailing background at all, but during the covid lock down I started following a bunch of liveaboard youtubers and was hooked
How did you know this is exactly the kind of video i needed?
tapped ur phone ;)
@@LadyKSailing 😂 that's hilarious😂
Hi, I worked in the Virgin Islands for a couple of years and learned to sail from 2 friends that were locals and always wanted to have a sailboat and still do. money's funny you know how that is. that's how I learned to sail, other than watching TH-cam channels. They called the TH-cam sailor lol. Thanks for listening
love your teachings bloke keep em coming!
Glad you like them!
Tim is absolutely correct. I am (again) a valued crew member on an IC-24 (trimmer/foredeck) for Wednesday night racing at Oklahoma City Boat Club. The cost for the is experience is FREE (not all clubs may allow this). Simply be reliable and show up willing to learn. I got may start crewing this boat from 2007 thru 2011 then took off to get my pilot's license. Now I am back on the same boat with the same skipper and we were winning until the season ended. Additionally, I bought a club member's Catalina 22. Now I am getting experience as a racing skipper on the Sunday series races. My nephew is my crew. He is OJT, on the job training... Thanks for all the cruising boat information. I really hope i can cut all ties and get out there some day. Cheers!
Huge help. I’m going to use this advice for sure. Thanks brother.
thanks for watching!
This video was just what I needed. Thanks !
I’ve been asking these questions for quite a while…THANK YOU…already joined both groups.
TWO COFFEE CUPS AND A PILLOW?!? I’m sold!!
I leaned to sail in college, which had a required sailing program. I disagree 100% about racing. Joining a yacht club is expensive and around here you need to know the right people to get required referrals. In my experience delivery crewing almost always involves a schedule. That may mean a lot of motoring or making hops in pretty crummy conditions.
Happy 250
THANKS!
Long ago when I lived in California latitude 38 was great for crew finding. I don't know if they still are. I live in Florida now and there's no crew finders here that I'm aware of.
Thank you for addressing the issue of how to get started. This has been super helpful in making my plans for my retirement future 👍👍👍
@lady_ksailingchicken dinner
Man how timely!! I have been asking these questions for a while for when I retire in 5-7 yrs, as it turns out will be retiring this year, and I am now looking for a way to pull the trigger earlier!
thumbs up for the throwback picture of your childhood sailing, sir!!
i bought a catalina 22 and also started racing. Eventually i want to graduate to a larger boat. but i know i need a lot more experience.
As someone with no skills who is considering buying a 32-38' cabin cruiser (I live inland so this will be river and Great Loop travel when I retire) this gives me a few ideas. There are some marinas down on the Ohio River I can check out.
32' - 38' is a lot of footage with no prior experience. Definitely see if there's any small boat racing clubs in your area!
@@CodeSquares Unfortunately there is not a lot out there at a shorter length with A) The required headroom, and B) A bathroom with a shower. Even the shower is optional as a wet head is acceptable if it is one without all the nooks and crannies I see around many of the vac-flush toilet systems.
I will accept suggestions for any cabin cruisers that would be suitable. Right now the best option seems to be a Carver Mariner (mid 80s to 2000-ish). Not too expensive in case I have an "oops".
@@Bigrignohio I bought a Nordic 44 sailboat for my first boat. You are going to learn how to handle a boat, and the learning curve is steep. Ideally, you would learn on a small boat and work your way up, but don't fret if you want to buy your last boat first! You can do it, it is going to be a learning experience with a 24 ft boat, or a 44 ft boat!
@@gymcoachdon I mean, I would HOPE a powered boat would be a little better on the learning curve. And honestly if I was going to get anything over 38' I would immediately get bow/stern thrusters installed. Basically I want to experience liveaboard locally. On the Ohio River. That way I can make a better decision on how or if I want to retire on a boat (sail or powered). Figure if I can survive a few winters on the Ohio then I can survive anywhere :)
@@BigrignohioI would guess that they pull boats out of the water for winter there even if the river moves enough to not freeze, everything inside the boat would freeze.
I lived on my boat twice and both times when December came I got an apartment. The key is to always keep the air moving. Fiberglass has no insulation so you would want to add some foam or something to insulate. Otherwise you will be sleeping on a wet mattress from condensation on the walls and under the mattress and sometimes dripping from above. One of my friends had a radiator that didn’t circulate air and he was miserable with mold and mildew. I had a space heater and a vented diesel heater and a dehumidifier and I took showers in the marina instead of the boat. A portable propane heater will fog up all the windows in minutes which is why you want a vented one.
Also the marina usually shuts off the water when it will be below freezing, so you need to keep your water warm enough to not freeze, or drain it until it gets warmer
Started sailing last year by taking ASA101 with my son who was a pre-teen at the time. We completed it + started chartering boats 1-2 times a month, moving progressively bigger each time. Bought our Baba 30 this year + started a refit while still sailing. Figured everything out as we went, on sailing as well as repairs. Never was able to crew as races other than kids on sunfish aren’t common in the area.
Your sarcasm about the boat is subtle but hysterical
That's me!!!! I've been watching your channel (and a few other well known sailing TH-cam channels) and plan to sail away when retired. So much good advice here (as always). Thank you so much 😊
What do you know and where can you get advice for sailing for disabled people? "Disabled" of course, means a world of different things from people who are just a little wobbly, to folks in wheelchairs, blind folks and people in the deaf community. Having sailed a lot when I was younger, I miss it a lot and would hope there are opportunities for folk to get sailing who are enthusiastic, but not "able-bodied.' Thanks.
CRAB organization in Annapolis
Thanks for your wonderful insight. I do enjoy your channel.
This was a perfect vid for me the plan is to sail the great. Lakes here in Ontario and take my pension and head down to the Caribbean
We bought our first boat site unseen with no experience and learned how to sail from the people we met on our dock. It’s been an amazing experience with our two golden retrievers. Shun the nonbelievers because there will be many.
That's me! Appreciate the video. And I do hate Facebook 😆
Love your channel, mate! Single-income family and can't afford to 'pay in' as - you know - have so many monthly outgoings, but great content! Got an old English Contessa sailboat, modest and just about affordable. Approaching retirement with dreams of coast hopping from where I am based in the south uk to France/west coast France/ Spain/ Portugal etc etc and hopefully the Med later. Thanks for your work and invaluable info you give to to 'ordinary' boat folk!
I agree with your overall premise
If you like Sailing history then watch around cape horn 1929. I'm ex British Merchant Navy and American merchant Marine, this video blew my mind ! Well worth a watch and of a by gone era. It's on you tube.
Great information!
Can confirm that crewing on a race boat is fantastic experience and fun. Over night races are amazing. Learned so much more than the ASA classes taught. Do it!!
Edit: The party after the race is almost as fun as the race!! So many good quality people! Thought sportsmanship was dead until I went racing on a sailboat!
Just like Rugby!
I did a 3 day cruise to the Bahamas and that was enough retirement cruising to to last my whole life !
I was shucking a pile of TH-cam oysters and found a pearl...Lady K Sailing!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks, just what I’ve been wondering about!!
Cushions ... 2 coffee cups ... great overview.
Keep on keeping on - nice work & hi & thanks.
My wife & I are at that stage.
We have a goal to live aboard a sailboat in the Bahamas in retirement but want to see what it’s like, and how to do it, before we make that BIG decision.
I’m way to young to be thinking about retirement, but I’d love to do that as well. Unfortunately my favorite spots there seem to only be able to accommodate boats with drafts of 6’ or less, so I’d need a boat with a lifting keel.
@@Metal_Auditorthere are lots of boats with shoal draft keels, wing keels as well as centerboard and dagger boards. It seems like most boats on the east coast are designed for the Chesapeake, or Bahamas. Here on the west coast you can be 100 feet offshore and be in 600 feet of water and my rule is if I can see the bottom, it’s too close
Hi from TO. I always enjoy your videos. Thank you.
Crew finder worked for me. I leave in 10 days for South America.!!
I’m gonna cruise the Caribbean. Thanks, Tim.
Thank you
Glad I found you.
We love you too great video and very informative too
The hardest part is figuring out exactly what to take, and what to do. I’ll make a post on your new page about my experience.
I have known how to sail Sunfish and small Hobies all my life. And I always thought that someday, I would like to live aboard a sailboat.
From a very young age, I've been involved in motorsports of all types. It is very natural to me to think that "if you want to get really good at something, compete." When I retired from motocross and offroad racing about 2012, I joined the crew of a J/105 on a local lake.
Today, I have more than 500 race starts, mostly windward-leeward, but with some good offshore miles. I've sailed in two J/105 North Americans. Twice the Newport to Bermuda, once on a J/42 and once on a J/105. Twice, Chicago-Mac on J/105 each time.
I just got off the Harvest Moon Regatta last weekend. That was a practice race our Pacific Cup crew for next July. (San Fran to Hawaii)
I am in mid 50s now. I feel pretty prepared to own an ocean crossing sailboat. The countdown is getting short.
"ESCAPE THE ORDINARY" Pillow??? 11:34
The question gnawing at the back of my mind every time I'm inland, luckily not right now. Tim's advice is spot on: it's fun learning the ropes & meeting lots of new people. I can't really crew atm as I can't commit to decent stretches, but it's a near-term goal. So I'm just "mucking around in boats" for now. Thanks as always, from a thunderous evening on Chevron Isl, Qld.⚓
Always great information. I haven’t looked at all of your past videos. I had an interesting question or thought for a video. What are the large downturns to sailing as one get older? You have been sailing for a while already and what things have you noticed or have talked with other sailers that become less appealing as you get older in regards to maintenance, sailing, cautions to plan for.
I know just bobbing up and down in the Caribbean is going to be a pleasure but what do you see as alignments that make sailing less appealing and what are good work arounds for the older population of sailers.
I’m thinking of heavy seas and the different items to health to keep the soreness down as one ages.
Tim! You told us to say hi so HI!
Great show!
Another super good video and good advice for someone looking to crew
Sorry I did not enter any contest but if you are giving me a sailing adventure on your boat please send me your address and contact phone number and IO'll contact you . Ha ha I also see that everyone was a winner??
I cant believe the topic of this video, it is like you read my mind.
Lady K. Help and assist. It’s approaching time for me to go. Sailing is my exit strategy and I might not be available to crew within a yacht club. I know the work needs to happen; however, time fleets. Thank you, JM
BTW, I’m 5 years out. Living in Huntington Beach.
Thank you!
Thanks for the advice Tim! I recently retired and have been devouring sailing channels. I will definitely check out the crew route!
Great video, thank you
salty dogs also has a lot of crew options…. good knowledge and rallies as well.
I’ve used Offshore Passage Opportunities
Believe they were out of Long Island NY
The other option is to by a trailer sailer and learn the basics, what Im doing now, then if you take a class or help on another boat, you won't be starting at the bottom, speed up the learning curve
So what's the prize, free sailing class :) @lady_ksailing
I have not been on facebook for over 5 years.
Thanks for understanding that many of us don’t want to have Facebook
I've often wanted to crew for someone, but I'm 6+ hours from Seattle or San Francisco, and it seems like there's nothing going on in-between. I've got my ASA 101-104 and I can't continue with the 106 until I gain some experience. Spending a day driving, only to sail for a few hours and spend another day coming back home just doesn't work. I thought about taking a week and flying across the country for some of that Bahamas action, but again, I can't do that on a regular basis. So, having said all that, my only option is to find a job somewhere that's near a sailing community. But I suppose it could be worse. I could live in Arizona or Colorado.
I would look at sailing on a nearby lake. My first experience was on a 18 foot canoe with a sail rig and dagger boards.
Most of the coast between Seattle and San Francisco has very few ports and all of them have dangerous river bars, so there probably isn’t much sailing. But on a lake you could go with a trailer boat, or a car top boat and sail anywhere and any time
My advice, friend: join flotillas. I live in colorado and I've got a few thousand NMs behind me, including ASA106 between Florida and Bimini and a delivery from guatemala to mexico. I just recently certified as an ASA instructor - ironically in Seattle - and am doing some more instructor certs in San Diego next month. I only did ASA101/103 in Colorado. After 103, i did 104 between LA and Catalina and then started jumping on flotillas. They made a huge difference.
@lady_ksailingOMG, you're such a loser! Why don't you just turn yourself in to the police?!
This is literally the only thing that could get me to log into Facebook.
The intro hits home for me.
I've been sailing my whole life, but just recently (at 50y/o) got my ASA cert. I'm not so interested in racing, so it's hard to get acquainted with cruisers. Thanks for this episode!
We did some boat charters where you share the boat with other people and a pro skipper, not cheap but you get on a boat with like minded people and meet cruisers in the ports
This was in the Mediterranean by the way
Just want to give my 2 cents how i got started sailing. I have been totally hooked on the sailing videos TH-camrs put out. I have met a couple of some well known ones. I am 63 by the way. Last year i signed up for ASA 101, 103 and 104 in Narragansett Bay. The 104 was canceled because the school could not find an instructor. I loved the classes and we sailed a 30 ft Pearson. I highly recommend taking these courses. They give you the knowledge and confidence to get started. I became friends with a guy in the classes. We both had the same level of wanting to sail. We started going out looking at boats. We looked at probably 10 boats before we found what we wanted. We learned a lot just looking at boats then sitting and chatting with the owners. We decided we liked a 1981 Catalina 30. Nice and roomy, good reputation then not so small we would outgrow it and not too big to handle. It was on stands so we never saw it in the water. We replaced a stuffing box for a dripless shaft seal and put on a new stainless steel mixing elbow. Our maiden voyage came on a rainy day. We had to go 40 mi from Jamestown, RI to Mattapoisett, Ma. First time sailing without an instructor and first time using Navionics. Took us 11 hrs because we had to motor sail 30 mi. Got to Buzzards Bay and sailed the remaining 10 mi. Got to the mooring just as it was getting dark. We loved that adventure! We sailed almost every weekend of the season. A boat partner is a good way to go. It has its challenges where you have to compromise but you always have someone to sail with and learn. I also want to take off sailing when i retire.
This vid is what I needed
@lady_ksailing Oh man, what did I win? I no doubt want to do some learning.
Thank you!
Thanks for the link to the crew site. I've been asking around to see if anyone needed extra crew for next year racing season. This will help in the journey of getting more experience.
Hey Tim, love the channel and Historsea!
Suggestion for a video. Inflatable sailing dinghy for when at anchor and still want to keep sailing, or a hobby on the local lake. I have my eye on a Minicat 320, but would love to hear your thoughts.
Probably the funniest videos of Lady K I have watched. Great info and the sarcasm kept me chuckling 😁😁😁
Thank you for a great video!
As someone who's son has just become an adult and who's daughter is turning 18 next Feb, and is looking at getting a boat and heading out with the family to explore this beautiful blue ball we call earth, this video and your others btw, have been very helpful.
One thing I felt that could of been touched on, is there a good professional sailing school for someone like me to learn all the important stuff needed like navigation or basic laws of the sea? The idea of the racing team seems like a fantastic one as well.
What would your thoughts be on "hiring" a captain, to take the boat out and instruct us on how to use the boat that I end up purchasing, how long would something like that take to get the hang of?
Thoughts on a Hunter 460 3 cabin for general cruising in the Caribbean and maybe an occasional run to Hawaii or the Med, or would I need a 'proper' bluewater boat for something like that?
Love it!
Just a Texas desert dweller which never misses an episode dreaming of a sailors life that will probably never be, but living vicariously through all you lucky bastards who have the option of doing so.
where would i go to get a captain to teach me to sail on my boat????
Retire to the hardest handyman job possible.
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Travel to distant places and do boat repairs whenever parts are available or affordable.
I've got the sailing experience, I'm refitting my boat & I'm almost ready to retire, hopefully, late this year!? 😊⛵👍 The 'Whitsundays', will be the perfect place to move to & live on my boat in my retirement. 👍
Cheers.
Joined FB under a different name and joined your group.
Ok, so my sailing resume is that I have owned two boats now - a 26 and a 27. I have sailed a lot of other boats, including starting my sailing career in the Navy aboard HMCS Oriole. I've sailed 16' Hobie Cats, 24"sloops, Tanzer 26, Mirage 30... this list honestly just goes on and on.
My only reservation now is that I am now older and cannot just "go sailing". If I am going cruising over distance or over time, it is wort noting that I require a CPAP for sleeping. Yeah, I know that messes thing s up. So my question then really is this; are there any cruisers who understand us senior sailors and appreciate what we bring to the table? Or is this strictly a young person's game now?
Absolutely despise facebook(should have been expelled and lost the theft lawsuit). For a Real Sailing Experience Sail Training Vessel Picton Castle does circumnavigations on Tradewinds courses on a student crewed tall ship. You must be able to physically cope with demands of sailing(climbing rigging,hauling lines etc), psychologically able to live for several weeks as crew and trainee. The life time experience is invaluable and will let you know if you are cut out for life on the water or before the mast. How well do you sleep during the day after night watch? In rough conditions? Eat,cook,clean,constant maintenance and repairs? Navigate and communicate? Other options are organized cruises Arc,Salty dog etc.
Fair winds and following seas
Great idea! We are doing our first bareboat charter this Spring and then your crewfinder page sounds great. Ever look at Wauquiez or other deck saloon types? Good or bad for Caribbean cruise?
Retire… to a constant project. Something is always broken/ needs maintenance. It takes several hours to get to a grocery store, do laundry, go out to dinner other than overpriced waterfront dining. Very difficult living, that channels sell you on beaches and sun. Wait til reality sets in!
Just saying ... I have never had less interest in anything more than racing. You continually bring this up episode after episode, but what about those of us who enjoy the slow and laid back side of sailing? My life is full of work, chores, and obligations that I want to escape from by way of sailing, I just want to move along at whatever pace the wind will allow and relax. I have at least an hour's drive to the nearest tidal waters, which is the likely location that i will keep my boat when i buy it. How about an episode with the best way to evaluate sailing courses / schools for those of us who cannot commit to weekly racing schedules, but need a good refresher or basic skills class. What is considered a reasonable cost for lessons? What accreditations should we look for in the Captain giving the course? What certificates are universally accepted worldwide?
I'm with you - I absolutely abhor racing 😴 💤 As a student I'm certified up to ASA106. That was the course where I felt "ohyeah, I can do this!" Prior to that I did the ASA101 etc courses -- but after 104 I started doing flotillas. I really like flotillas - you get to sail with other competent sailors with different backgrounds who can show you other ways of doing things (some good, some bad). And you get to visit different places on different boats. It's a great experience for someone who doesn't enjoy racing. Or, I think so anyway. The costs are great, too. You share of the boat on a flotilla is usually 1500 USD or less for a week, and then approx 200 USD for the cruising kitty for the week. I've been to Italy, Spain, and the Bahamas on a flotilla. There are also flotillas in the Pacific Northwest USA, the western Caribbean, Oceania, Turkey, and a few other spots - try a Google search for flotillas and see what comes up. I hope that helps.
Hi!
And congrats on 250th episode... 🎉
Did you produce this episode just for me? I just returned Saturday from a week on the water chartered a boat an got my ASA 101 N 104 certification🎉
Hi Tim, thanks for the info! I will check out your FB group... Any advice for sailing/learning while on vacation down south over the winter?
Would love to see a video that talks about the market and if your seeing boat prices return to normal