1 length of para chord, with ends tied together making a loop. loop length should be just 1/4"(.625cm) longer than oil filter circumference. put one end of loop through itself making a choke loop. Slip over oil filter. push screw driver through extended 1/4" length of para chord. rotate screwdriver so shaft is resting across body of oil filter with leverage of screwdriver tightening loop and loosening oil filter. waa laa. Any spanner (wrench in the colonies) tire spoon etc will work. I've even used my belt in past to choke filter and wrapped end around socket extension to loosen filter.
Great advice, simple and logical. I have an f800gs as well and I want to get into multiple day off road trips. This is for me is a good starting point for my tool kit. Thanks
Have you thought about a “Crows Foot” for reducing the number of spanner’s. These will fit the 3/8 drive on the ratchet. I only came across these as I had limited access on a job I was on.
Hey Mark, sorry for the late reply. Yes, in our current toolkit we carry a few crows feet. They’re especially useful (for us at least) for things like the 2nd spanner for the mirrors where you need two open ended spanners of the same size to adjust/tighten the mirrors. With the Knipex Pliers Wrench and a crows foot, we are sorted, even if we have different size nuts on the mirrors. The crows feet are very useful, but strangely, they’re quite heavy too - at least for their size.
In the prison colony of Australia we also say "Spanner". I got all torx and external torx down to a small headphone bag they are for a screwdriver and push into a socket. I like your ratchet never seen one, then I could get rid of screwdriver also
Interesting, I'd like to know more about that set-up. We have been looking into the things that are called Crow Foot Spanner Head, like this:uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/7782197/ (hope the link works). Those might save us quite a bit of weight. :) Thanks for watching!
A lot cheper for you I only carry the socket and small Torx and I bought a T27and the 12 ETorx separate www.ebay.com.au/itm/15pc-Star-Torx-E-Bit-Male-T20-T25-T30-T40-T45-T50-T55-Socket-Set-1-2-Adapter/281983818880?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 Crows feet are expensive and the small ones look wide I dont know if it would fit in the guide for the chain ect
Could buy a cheep set first to see how they work www.ebay.com.au/itm/15pc-Crow-Foot-Spanner-Set-3-8-Drive-Crowfoot-Socket-Wrench-Heads-8-24mm-New/253164508045?epid=1263583264&hash=item3af1c7d38d:g:rYEAAOSw3utY4fe8
Very interesting. At the moment, my bugbear is the open ended spanners we need for the mirrors (largely our own fault, but still). The Torx set-up can be trimmed down using the tools you linked to. I'll definitely keep that in mind. However, if we'd be able to get rid of 2-4 (or more) regular spanners, then we'd save a lot of weight. Carrying a 13mm for the chain adjuster is fine in combination with the Knipex Pliers Wrench is OK. (or maybe use two Knipex?) Needs thinking and trying out. :)
Nice one Jocke! That's a great summary. Choosing what to take on a motorcycle trip is such a balancing act there is a real need for guiding principles. I love how you simply crafted the toolkit around the capabilities you want to have in terms of the scenarios you want to be able to handle. Also the principle that tools should be of an appropriate level of quality/cost for purpose, i.e. the nicest rachets/hardware at the posh end of the scale and penny hacks like that paperclip for the side-stand switch. Proper joined up thinking! By the way, what is the combined weight of those spanners? Just wondering how much would you be able to reduce that total pack weight by eliminating or subbing them. I carried a similar looking (tho much less well honed) roll with me recently one challenge was that of where to mount it to have it most secure and most sympathetic to the handling. I ended up with it and some similar "balast" (including nicely accessible drinking water/coffee etc) either side of the fuel tank.
Thanks for the comment Bob, much appreciated. Yes, you're right, it's a balancing act. Weight and size are the enemies of motorcycle travel. I don't know what the weight is, and I am not sure I want to know - I think the toolkit weighs too much as it is. We are considering ordering a second Knipex Pliers Wrench 125 to replace some of the spanners. I don't know if it would reduce the weight or size. We've also experimented a bit with crows-feet spanners. They're a lot smaller, and a bit lighter than a full size spanner. As for positioning the toolkit. Yes, this is an ongoing thought. The F800GS is very tightly packed so it's difficult to squeeze something "inside" the bike. There's a bit of space between the bike and the crash bars on each side, but not enough for one toolkit, so splitting it up into two might be an option. Not sure I like that idea. Then there's the front of the bash-plate, just behind the front wheel. Obviously this is a very dirty position, so I'm not sure it's the best place. Either way, I'm considering building a sheet metal folder so I could potentially build some boxes for things like the toolkit. For now, the Kriega tool roll will have to do, stuffed into the front of a pannier, or in a Kriega US-10 on the rack. :) Thanks again, too bad you couldn't make the (very cold) Adventure day at The Ace Cafe yesterday.
hi my friend, would you mind if you share your list tools to compare with my tools and to see if any other tools are needed. I have a F800gs. excellent video
Hi Jose, I don't have a list of the tools in the toolkit, and they also vary from trip to trip. Even worse, they vary from F800GS to F800GS. My bike has different rear sprocket bolts than Caz's F800GS. Therefore I'm a bit reluctant to share a definitive list; I don't want anyone to be stranded without the right tool. If you can do these things with your toolkit, then I think you're pretty much set: - Fix a puncture - remove the wheel, get the tyre off the rim, and put in another tube or patch the tube. Don't forget the ABS sensors and the front brake callipers (Some have T-Torx and some have E-Torx bolts, beware!) - Recover from a fall; straighten your bars/forks, put mirrors back into place, fix bent brake, clutch, gear levers, re-adjust handguards, and such. - Recover from a water ingestion; if the bike falls in a river; Remove airbox, air filter, spark plugs, etc to pump water out of the cylinders. - Basic maintenance; change oil, change oil filter, change air filter. Fix broken light bulbs, etc. The rest can be done with borrowed tools. You don't need to carry everything. Sorry about the vague answer, please feel free to ask further questions, I'm happy to help.
Yes, a known method. Some epoxy a nut on the new filter before they put it on, and then simply unscrew it that way. And obviously, there’s no need to pack an oil filter tool, if that’s your preference, if your trip is shorter than the oil filter change interval.
Ryan Roberts thank you! The ratchet handles are 1/4” and 3/8”, the 1/2” are just too big and unnecessary for a travel toolkit. Or was your question about some other size? :)
Hi Shayne, surprisingly no, I haven't been asked the question. I might have a list somewhere, or I could make one. However, the reasons why I've left it out is that I wouldn't want to be in a situation where I've told someone to pack a tool and then they find out at the trail that the tool doesn't fit/work. From my experience, there's also differences between the bikes (for example my rear sprocket is 2x 16mm whereas Caz's rear sprocket is 2x 13mm), which would render a list a bit pointless to start with. I could be convinced to give a list (and a disclaimer). :) Best way is still just to walk around with the tools and stick a tool on any nut/bolt you think you want to be able to work on and then put that tool in a pile and then make a list out of them. Sorry I'm not more use at this point in time.
Jocke Selin thanks for the reply. I see your point. I'm from NZ and not a person to blame others for things I haven't checked myself but I get it they are out there. I was just looking for a starting point as I will be making this kit just for the bike and didn't want to buy full sets of torx, sockets ètc. Just what I needed, because as like you I buy quality tools and they cost a lot. Great vids by the way I have watched them all.
Thanks, glad the videos have been of use! We started out with the Wera 3/8" (tinyurl.com/ybou8od9) and 1/4" (tinyurl.com/ya4h2l4t) Zyklop kit and basically added spanners and other tools to that. Obviously we only carry the tools needed, so there's quite a few unused bits left in the Wera cases. I think you'll find that buying a kit is cheaper than the individual parts. If you do some research, please let me know which is cheaper. The Wera stuff is not cheap, but a joy to use, and we really do tend to use the on-bike toolkit (rather than what's in the the huge tool chest) when working on the bikes. Hope that's useful?! :) I hope to ride New Zeeland one day, I have a friend who's over there riding at the moment and I have a few friends who live there too, so one day, one day..!
Hi, I don't really know what you mean? If you mean removing the wheels, then the axle nut at the rear, and ABS sensor. At the front pinch bolts, calliper bolts, ABS sensor and axle nut. However, if you want to know the sizes, then a) I don't remember them off the top of my head, b) they might be different on your bike, so better check the bike yourself.
hey jocke . trying to build my tool kit as your .. i need th 17mm adapter for the my motion pro tire lever 24mm.. i can not find it even with motion pro.. the product zena by overland ..do you think they can ship to usa .? i leave in california .. i just don”t want to buy another heavy socket 17 on my tool kit .. i have one at home.. can you help me? where and how to find the front tire adapter appreciate Jaime
Hi Jamie, it looks like we're all out of luck - maybe only temporary. I got the adapter from Gabe at Zen Overland www.zenoverland.com but I believe that there's some restructuring going on and that someone else might be taking over the sales of tools and other products. Try to contact them and see what they say. Also, if you can't get the adapter, then maybe you can find space for another Motion Pro tyre lever and get that in 17mm? Another option is "crow's feet" spanners/wrenches. They're smaller than normal sockets and spanners/wrenches. I hope you can figure something out. Good luck!!
1 length of para chord, with ends tied together making a loop. loop length should be just 1/4"(.625cm) longer than oil filter circumference. put one end of loop through itself making a choke loop. Slip over oil filter. push screw driver through extended 1/4" length of para chord. rotate screwdriver so shaft is resting across body of oil filter with leverage of screwdriver tightening loop and loosening oil filter. waa laa. Any spanner (wrench in the colonies) tire spoon etc will work. I've even used my belt in past to choke filter and wrapped end around socket extension to loosen filter.
Great advice, simple and logical. I have an f800gs as well and I want to get into multiple day off road trips. This is for me is a good starting point for my tool kit. Thanks
Thank you very much! I'm very pleased to hear the video was useful. Enjoy your trips!
Well done. Thanks for the effort to do this video. Very instructive. Ride safe!
Gus Ptz Thank you! Very pleased you liked it. There’s more in the pipeline!
Have you thought about a “Crows Foot” for reducing the number of spanner’s. These will fit the 3/8 drive on the ratchet. I only came across these as I had limited access on a job I was on.
Hey Mark, sorry for the late reply. Yes, in our current toolkit we carry a few crows feet. They’re especially useful (for us at least) for things like the 2nd spanner for the mirrors where you need two open ended spanners of the same size to adjust/tighten the mirrors. With the Knipex Pliers Wrench and a crows foot, we are sorted, even if we have different size nuts on the mirrors. The crows feet are very useful, but strangely, they’re quite heavy too - at least for their size.
Very informative. Great video.
We say spanner in the UK too :)
In the prison colony of Australia we also say "Spanner". I got all torx and external torx down to a small headphone bag they are for a screwdriver and push into a socket. I like your ratchet never seen one, then I could get rid of
screwdriver also
Interesting, I'd like to know more about that set-up. We have been looking into the things that are called Crow Foot Spanner Head, like this:uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/7782197/ (hope the link works). Those might save us quite a bit of weight. :) Thanks for watching!
A lot cheper for you I only carry the socket and small Torx and I bought a T27and the 12 ETorx separate
www.ebay.com.au/itm/15pc-Star-Torx-E-Bit-Male-T20-T25-T30-T40-T45-T50-T55-Socket-Set-1-2-Adapter/281983818880?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
Crows feet are expensive and the small ones look wide I dont know if it would fit in the guide for the chain ect
Could buy a cheep set first to see how they work www.ebay.com.au/itm/15pc-Crow-Foot-Spanner-Set-3-8-Drive-Crowfoot-Socket-Wrench-Heads-8-24mm-New/253164508045?epid=1263583264&hash=item3af1c7d38d:g:rYEAAOSw3utY4fe8
Very interesting. At the moment, my bugbear is the open ended spanners we need for the mirrors (largely our own fault, but still). The Torx set-up can be trimmed down using the tools you linked to. I'll definitely keep that in mind. However, if we'd be able to get rid of 2-4 (or more) regular spanners, then we'd save a lot of weight. Carrying a 13mm for the chain adjuster is fine in combination with the Knipex Pliers Wrench is OK. (or maybe use two Knipex?) Needs thinking and trying out. :)
Yes, exactly, or another Knipex Pliers Wrench. Hehe, so many choices. :) I really value your input!
Nice one Jocke! That's a great summary. Choosing what to take on a motorcycle trip is such a balancing act there is a real need for guiding principles. I love how you simply crafted the toolkit around the capabilities you want to have in terms of the scenarios you want to be able to handle. Also the principle that tools should be of an appropriate level of quality/cost for purpose, i.e. the nicest rachets/hardware at the posh end of the scale and penny hacks like that paperclip for the side-stand switch. Proper joined up thinking! By the way, what is the combined weight of those spanners? Just wondering how much would you be able to reduce that total pack weight by eliminating or subbing them. I carried a similar looking (tho much less well honed) roll with me recently one challenge was that of where to mount it to have it most secure and most sympathetic to the handling. I ended up with it and some similar "balast" (including nicely accessible drinking water/coffee etc) either side of the fuel tank.
Thanks for the comment Bob, much appreciated. Yes, you're right, it's a balancing act. Weight and size are the enemies of motorcycle travel. I don't know what the weight is, and I am not sure I want to know - I think the toolkit weighs too much as it is. We are considering ordering a second Knipex Pliers Wrench 125 to replace some of the spanners. I don't know if it would reduce the weight or size. We've also experimented a bit with crows-feet spanners. They're a lot smaller, and a bit lighter than a full size spanner.
As for positioning the toolkit. Yes, this is an ongoing thought. The F800GS is very tightly packed so it's difficult to squeeze something "inside" the bike. There's a bit of space between the bike and the crash bars on each side, but not enough for one toolkit, so splitting it up into two might be an option. Not sure I like that idea. Then there's the front of the bash-plate, just behind the front wheel. Obviously this is a very dirty position, so I'm not sure it's the best place. Either way, I'm considering building a sheet metal folder so I could potentially build some boxes for things like the toolkit.
For now, the Kriega tool roll will have to do, stuffed into the front of a pannier, or in a Kriega US-10 on the rack. :)
Thanks again, too bad you couldn't make the (very cold) Adventure day at The Ace Cafe yesterday.
hi my friend, would you mind if you share your list tools to compare with my tools and to see if any other tools are needed. I have a F800gs. excellent video
Hi Jose, I don't have a list of the tools in the toolkit, and they also vary from trip to trip. Even worse, they vary from F800GS to F800GS. My bike has different rear sprocket bolts than Caz's F800GS. Therefore I'm a bit reluctant to share a definitive list; I don't want anyone to be stranded without the right tool.
If you can do these things with your toolkit, then I think you're pretty much set:
- Fix a puncture - remove the wheel, get the tyre off the rim, and put in another tube or patch the tube. Don't forget the ABS sensors and the front brake callipers (Some have T-Torx and some have E-Torx bolts, beware!)
- Recover from a fall; straighten your bars/forks, put mirrors back into place, fix bent brake, clutch, gear levers, re-adjust handguards, and such.
- Recover from a water ingestion; if the bike falls in a river; Remove airbox, air filter, spark plugs, etc to pump water out of the cylinders.
- Basic maintenance; change oil, change oil filter, change air filter. Fix broken light bulbs, etc.
The rest can be done with borrowed tools. You don't need to carry everything.
Sorry about the vague answer, please feel free to ask further questions, I'm happy to help.
Jocke Selin Excellent Advice. I’ll do that.
Good luck! Feel free to come back with questions.
Hi, nice tips, thanks.
No need to bring an oil filter tool. Just poke a screwdriver though the filter and turn if it is on tight.
Yes, a known method. Some epoxy a nut on the new filter before they put it on, and then simply unscrew it that way. And obviously, there’s no need to pack an oil filter tool, if that’s your preference, if your trip is shorter than the oil filter change interval.
Great video very comprehensive. Know the sizes of the wera ratchets you use?
Ryan Roberts thank you! The ratchet handles are 1/4” and 3/8”, the 1/2” are just too big and unnecessary for a travel toolkit. Or was your question about some other size? :)
Great, just what I wanted to know thanks!
Excellent, glad to be of help. Thanks for watching!
Hi Jocke, I'm sure you have been asked before but do you have a list of the torx and sockets etc. that you use
Hi Shayne, surprisingly no, I haven't been asked the question. I might have a list somewhere, or I could make one. However, the reasons why I've left it out is that I wouldn't want to be in a situation where I've told someone to pack a tool and then they find out at the trail that the tool doesn't fit/work. From my experience, there's also differences between the bikes (for example my rear sprocket is 2x 16mm whereas Caz's rear sprocket is 2x 13mm), which would render a list a bit pointless to start with.
I could be convinced to give a list (and a disclaimer). :)
Best way is still just to walk around with the tools and stick a tool on any nut/bolt you think you want to be able to work on and then put that tool in a pile and then make a list out of them.
Sorry I'm not more use at this point in time.
Jocke Selin
thanks for the reply. I see your point. I'm from NZ and not a person to blame others for things I haven't checked myself but I get it they are out there. I was just looking for a starting point as I will be making this kit just for the bike and didn't want to buy full sets of torx, sockets ètc. Just what I needed, because as like you I buy quality tools and they cost a lot. Great vids by the way I have watched them all.
Thanks, glad the videos have been of use!
We started out with the Wera 3/8" (tinyurl.com/ybou8od9) and 1/4" (tinyurl.com/ya4h2l4t) Zyklop kit and basically added spanners and other tools to that. Obviously we only carry the tools needed, so there's quite a few unused bits left in the Wera cases. I think you'll find that buying a kit is cheaper than the individual parts. If you do some research, please let me know which is cheaper. The Wera stuff is not cheap, but a joy to use, and we really do tend to use the on-bike toolkit (rather than what's in the the huge tool chest) when working on the bikes.
Hope that's useful?! :)
I hope to ride New Zeeland one day, I have a friend who's over there riding at the moment and I have a few friends who live there too, so one day, one day..!
What measures of the tools do you use to dismantle the wheels of the motorcycle?
Hi, I don't really know what you mean? If you mean removing the wheels, then the axle nut at the rear, and ABS sensor. At the front pinch bolts, calliper bolts, ABS sensor and axle nut. However, if you want to know the sizes, then a) I don't remember them off the top of my head, b) they might be different on your bike, so better check the bike yourself.
hey jocke . trying to build my tool kit as your .. i need th 17mm adapter for the my motion pro tire lever 24mm.. i can not find it even with motion pro.. the product zena by overland ..do you think they can ship to usa .? i leave in california ..
i just don”t want to buy another heavy socket 17 on my tool kit .. i have one at home.. can you help me? where and how to find the front tire adapter
appreciate
Jaime
Hi Jamie, it looks like we're all out of luck - maybe only temporary. I got the adapter from Gabe at Zen Overland www.zenoverland.com but I believe that there's some restructuring going on and that someone else might be taking over the sales of tools and other products. Try to contact them and see what they say. Also, if you can't get the adapter, then maybe you can find space for another Motion Pro tyre lever and get that in 17mm? Another option is "crow's feet" spanners/wrenches. They're smaller than normal sockets and spanners/wrenches.
I hope you can figure something out. Good luck!!