An AWESOME OTF With ONE (Kind Of) Fatal Flaw - Benchmade Shootout
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- Full review of the Benchmade Shootout.
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Thanks for taking one for the team! I appreciate being made aware to not disassemble this knife. 👍
I personally love this knife its been my EDC for about 2 months now and haven't had a single issue with it
is it plasticky??
@@JuanRamirez-bj6qejust got one and no I wouldn’t say plastic like, it is carbon fiber so I’d say you’ll notice the difference in feel but not in durability. You will notice it feels like a toy because of how light it is and once you use the action a few times it plays smoothly. You have to go into it expecting it to feel that way due to the carbon fiber but I have a friend that ram over his with an f250 and it didn’t hurt it at all.
@@dreadsummer2766 pretty awesome
I’ve never not been able to reassemble a knife, until this one. It was aggravating. I had to send it to benchmade and get it put back together. Those parts you showed were the reason.
Just curious, was there a repair charge besides cost of shipping one or both ways.
@@mikep.9371 I believe it was 5.00.
@@buckshot1955 Thank you!
I’m surprised they fixed it. I thought they didn’t allow people to dissemble their knives and keep warranty.
@@jamesfair9751 On paper no, but they’re very lax over in their factory!
Benchmade is really pushing into some different steels lately. I'm glad to see it. CPM D2, CPM 154, Cruwear, S45VN are all on new models this year.
I wanna try that CPM D2 in the Claymore, i recently got the bailout in M4 an its pretty sweet
@wolverinebear5357 the d2 on the claymore is awesome. It's not standard d2 steel
Got one of these 2 weeks ago and I keep reaching for it before all my other fancy $$$ Ti knives for daily carry. That CF Elite is so strong and light I hope they make more variations out of it. If you've ever handled a HK USP it's a familiar feel, and that polymer has is going on 30+ years of torture. If you get a Shootout and it has blade play or rattles when you shake it (open or closed) don't settle for it. When I got mine at the store it was solid, I had them open up another brand new one and it rattled and had noticeable blade play.
I'm still carrying mine around daily, with an occasional rotation to something else, but I keep coming back to the Shootout. I like the idea of them making a second model with aluminum scales, like they do with the Bailout, but I would add that to my collection and not replace this one.
They're making a couple different colors and one with a factory lanyard hole instead of glass breaker but still no aluminum scales yet, but I bet they're coming
I agree, I absolutely love the shootout! This is a fantastic edc knife.
Just received my Shootout in the mail. I don't see any toy like appearance. At 2.8 oz it's just a tad lighter than many OTF's, where some reviews whine about it being so light it could almost fly away in a wind. The Mesa Red Grivory is very solid and not cheap in any way (in MY opinion). Best deal of all ???It's a Benchmade and I can send it to them at any point in time to get it sharpened or repaired if required. Oh...and this one doesn't have a glass breaker...which is basically useless ( I work with a Sheriff and work many accidents and have NEVER had to break a window, just sayin). Totally enjoy your reviews...and I will NEVER take it apart, as advised.
You are spot on. CF elite is a cf reinforced grivory. Grivory is an injection molded nylon family polymer. Both grivory and cf elite are durable because the flex allows them to absorb impacts. That being said, the feel of plastics are strongly associated with cheap thanks to decades of poorly made plastic products.
It's also a weight thing as humans will automatically presume something that weighs more is higher quality. A huge study was done on this in the 70s about restaurant utensils when different types of metals started to be used.
The quality plastics you can get these days is kinda mind blowing. I have two training swords you can beat against each other and probably take through a career of riot control and they’ll
Still hold together. Just solid high impact plastic. Dense shit
I really like the subtle tanto on this same as on the tengu. It’s more of an original Japanese tanto style.
I'm finally warming up to an OTF (and Benchmade) with this model. I see the handle material as a plus.
Good review! Especially liked the aspect about how safe otf can be and whether it can go off in your pocket or not. Again, good job on the review!
Great review MC!! I just bought an Ultra Tech II, my first OTF. When I was looking my local dealer got a batch of BM Shootouts in which I was considering but which sold out in a day. Happy to see you had an opportunity to review it, I’ve used your reviews in the past when deciding on knives and it’s always worked out great, thanks!
I really like that bladeshape the lightweight handles makes this a great candidate for an exercise knife imo.
One thing no one talks about is slider Botton play. My Ultratech has slight button play when closed and dramatically more in the open position. My Benched Shootout has zero button play and is tight as a drum in both directions. Yes, a plastic handle feels cheaper but it's super strong and much lighter for EDC in workout/basketball shorts. Don't sleep on the Shootout!
I'm not sure slider play makes any difference. I mean it's annoying kinda once you realize it's there... But that's about it.
@@metal_complex True, but blade play doesn't make much difference either and it's a main talking point in all of these OTF videos yet no one ever mentions slider play. Just saying, slider play is a worth mentioning when it comes to $300-$500 knives. Great videos btw!
@@komeen well I get what you're saying but up and down blade play (and even severe side to side) can cause issues with lock solidity. Especially in liner or framelocks. Most of the time though, yes. It's not an issue. And thank you 😊👍
"Nothing but misery on the inside" is my middle name
Appreciate the transparency on your channel bro
Love mine. Been my EDC for over a month now. Was a little sluggish out of the box. Some lube fixed that and has been flawless since.
The shootout is sturdy af. I love mine
I extremely disagree with you thinking that it needs aluminium scales. I absolutely hate aluminium. It shows every single dent hit and bump. I'd have that plastic all day everyday.
Tanto edge is amazing. Beautiful design!
My bro got one, and it just feels so light. I love the look, and it's pretty good to use. It just fells like a toy because of how light it is.
This knife is the first OTF that I've actually liked the aesthetics of and am considering buying. Most of the other ones just look like mall Ninja isht to me. Especially most of microtechs blade shapes. Also it's an actual full size knife with a full size blade. Blade to handle ratio is nice. Looks like a knife that could actually be used for many of the things I use knives for, more than just opening a package or flicking in and out to show a friend. On top of all that I think it's one of the better values considering the amount of knife that you get for the price taking into account the average price of OTFs and also the price of the M4 Bailout.
yup, much more utilitarian
@1980JPA Thank you! I thought I was the only one that felt that way.
That’s my gripe with most otf’s. They look like gas station knives. This one does not.
"I hate grivory it feels cheap", "I hate grivory"... ..."I'm really glad we got grivory "
🤣
After carry the Benchmade, you will never look back for those heavy Microtech Otf Knives
If it was a drop point, I would buy it right now. Hopefully they make a variant in the future...I'd also like to see a Bailout with a Bugout blade. But you know BM: Operators gonna operate and the tanto style is tactically tactical...so bend the knee to the iron throne. I'm kinda glad their axis lock patent expired. I see lots of innovation from the value brands coming down the pipe...
I do really like this knife. It's light. It's smooth. Action is a little loud because it is plastic. But it's got a great blade, a tanto is very functional if you do a lot of scraping. The tension on the switch is great if you like to show your knife off as I have to tell most people to push harder. I got the blue one. Very good. Reliable. My blade was also perfectly centered(I think benchmade got tired of hearing about one, please complain more).
Overall, I'd recommend it. It's my first benchmade otf and also my first ever otf(aside from a cheap knockoff microtech a buddy gave me as a gift) and I cannot say I'm disappointed in anything except the legality of carrying one in some places.
Finally an OTF that looks like a knife not a tactical letter opener blade sticking out of an asymmetrical brick. Now they just need to get the handle material right and I’ll consider buying one.
It’s Benchmade, they made it so they can later add it to their custom shop and will continue to come out with customization. It will be exactly like the Bugout, and I’m not complaining.
the blade absolutely reminds me of the Benchmade Bailout
I think that is the ideal everyday carry otf.
I am pretty sure I would love this because I love weight, synthetic handle material. It probably keeps the cost down too.
I wish I could get my hands on one, so that i won't take it apart! Cheers and good review!
Hey, how about you tell those guys to ramp up production on those. I would like to get one, but they're sold out everywhere.
BladeHQ right now if you haven’t gotten one
Excellent box cutter that stays sharp
Aluminum is amazing agreed, but if you step on it hard it will deform and screw up your knife. Not gonna happen with cf elite or frn despite the cheap feal
If I can’t service it myself. I’m not going to buy it. I’ve got multiple OTF knives and I’ve had them all open at one time or another. A maker doing this with a knife is just evil.
Nice snappy action. I like the shape of this Benchmade.
Send that baby to me. Ill get you back together.. Taken many apart. These are similar to there Autocrat design with the center middle plate that lines up the blade locks. Could have been setup so much simpler in my opinion. Benchmade has some strange designs from time to time. But they work none the less. The Mini Infidel leaf springs are the most difficult in my opinion. Just madness!
Oh I took mine apart and put it back together blind folded ! Lol ! You can repeat this in that little voice you do.
Lost my first Dhootout and bought a Microtech Ultratech to replace it. Now a month later I just ordered another Shootout cause I like it way more than the Microtech .
Great looking knife and if they ever made it in a different handle material id hop on it. Carbon fiber, aluminum or anything else would make this thing great although I'm sure quite a bit more expensive. I just cant get past these Grivory, cf elite and frn scales on the super lightweight knives.
Agreed. A huge missed opportunity there with the rest of the construction. I’d like some weight on mine please
I’d even prefer this in Aluminum. The CF elite is probably even more resilient than aluminum in reality, but the feel totally sucks.
@@Steelydan670 I know realistically CF elite will live up to any use that I would throw at it but I just hate the feel. I think a more premium version of this knife would be great I'm hoping maybe a gold class version comes out or possibly just an upgraded version.
Yep, I need to feel a little heft in my OTF. To plastique
Quote of the day "there's nothing but misery inside"
"there is nothing but misery inside..." 😂😂😂
Thanks MC! Have a good day!!
Those are the gates and gate springs to catch the blade out and in
Ty for your video, just bought Kershaw Livewire))
Lol the "things" that popped out are the stop "pins" that keep it open and closed
I have bought my last Benchmade knife ever! After being taken care of by Blade HQ, kudos for your service! I contacted Benchmade, about an OTF knife and after about 30 minutes of back and forth conversation was able to finally get a confession that there was a batch of bad Springs! When you're in operator and you drop a knife and it ceases to operate it's useless! But wait, I didn't drop it, I was trying to brake it in and it broke after 8 deployments ! Benchmade asked if I dropped it because that could cause it to derail!!!
I have never looked at a knife and said man I would buy it if it was just $20 less. I hear this from all these reviewers , yes everything in life would be better if it were cheaper. But $20 has never stopped me. Maybe $200 would make the difference. IDK maybe its just me
I think normally you set the blade off track, then disassemble..
I purchased a Benchmade Shootout after watching some YT reviews. It is my first OTF knife. I rec'd it Monday, unboxed and started to "play" with it... it would only retract about 50% of the time. If the knife was pointed up, it worked in and out about 90% of the time. If the knife was point down, it would shoot out but rarely retract. I was astounding at the poor performance. I found the thumb release/retract very stiff and left my thumb sore. I'm hoping it was just a lemon that wasn't well inspected... nonetheless I shipped it back today.
My EDC is a Benchmade Griptilian which I absolutely love; so much so, I bought a second to have on hand when I send the original in to be sharpened.
I want a OTF however after this experience, I will no longer purchase online. I'll have to be hands on before I buy.
No your not screwed if you take it apart. You're smarter than the tool boss. Tweezers bro tweezers will help you get those back in. I take every knife I get apart and reassemble them. Never had a problem getting them back together.
Hey MC. Have you ever reviewed a 'Gold' class Benchmade? The Gold class Crooked River is gorgeous, but would be interesting to see how it compares to a regular version. $1500 is Shirogorov territory and curious if they are crazy or those knives are really on a world class level.
He reviewed the gold class tengu.
I took mine apart and removed the glass breaker and replaced it with a homemade lanyard hole made of reinforced jb weld steel putty.
The trick to putting it back together is to do it with the right side down and put a tiny dab of crazy glue on the Leading Edge of those Springs and glue them into those pockets on the dogs. You can also try loading them up with grease and having the grease keep them in place.
Excellent!!!
Thank you!
@j.r7872 no thanks necessary. It's my pleasure to brag about my somewhat unique accomplishments.. lol also, I noticed that not only are they making this knife in other colors, they also offer the same kind of lanyard hole option instead of a glass breaker for an additional $20.
I posted pics of mine on Reddit as soon as I finished it, about a year ago. I can't help but wonder if they took my idea and ran with it. I know it's a bit egotistical of me to think that. ..but here I am, still wondering... lol
Thanks for your reply
I was looking at getting this when this video came out but it was illegal to carry them. But as of 01/03/2023 they are legal to carry in my state.
wish I had seen this before taking mine apart. My blade started to gumber up because i cut some fruit with latex in it. One of the pivot screws must have been installed cross threaded, because my torx bit chewed up the head. i got the other 3 screws off no problem, and a keeper and spring came out. So now i'm waiting for my pivot nut and screws ordered from Amazon to come in before I drill out the cross threaded one. i already chewed up the handle near the screw head a bit trying to dremel a flat blade purchase on the bolthead. sigh. expensive mistake. Can't wait to not be able to put this back together and have to send in to Benchmade.
Actually was easier to take apart and put back together than this video led me to believe. This one was super helpful
th-cam.com/video/XEAE6dNN7U8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=6ZUt7wUhz6kxb3ds
I like everything except that tall switch. I would love to see what the knife feels like overall though.
What about over time will the opening widen out do to belong a lighter material? I guess we will have to wait and see...
Not sure how many more OTF autos I need now. Have a huge collection of automatics and have mainly been sticking with my Hawk as of lately.
If I were still in the service this knife would get a more serious look from me.
I went there and took mine apart. I struggled hard but got it back together after some swearing and yelling. Now, someone tell me what justifies the price other than the OTF tax. There is nothing intricate or complicated about this build. Fit and finish is fine, but injection molded handles are about as minimal as it gets in terms of production time and finishing effort. The materials are good, but the cost of materials is a small factor in the price of a knife (although production companies inflate materials upgrade costs). I just don’t see signs of extra production steps, intensive or complex finishing, or anything that would suggest that this is a relatively expensive knife other than the materials alone, which I’ve already covered. They were a good choice for the design intent of this knife. It’s a good tool, it’s light, it’s strong, but it probably required less production effort than a typical BM locking folder with a satin blade finish. I have one- I like it, but I don’t get the price other than to bolster perceived value through hype and confirmation of quality in the materials.
I agree, especially when comparing the price to an aluminum Microtech OTF.
I know right!
It's not like we are experiencing 40 year high inflation!
It's not like the cost of raw materials, or labor has increased at all in the last 18 months!
If you do not disassemble, cut an orange and then you're done, wait to rust inside. Is that right?
Clean the blade off. Use something like break free CLP to protect the blade.
Not complicated.
I have over 25 Benchmades and love most of them but I too don't like how light and cheap this knife feels. My new 710 limited with Magnacut blade and aluminum handles may be the best feeling knife I own, but this one may be the worst feeling knife. It's a toy for sure. The reason I bought it is because I wanted a knife with Cru Ware, I got it and I'm happy about that but what a bummer they didn't go with the same feeling the 710 gives. Oh well, maybe some day I'll want light knife.
I can picture all the benchmade employees gathered together to finally find out if the knife can pass the Metal Complex squeeze test lol
The springs are going to the biggest problem with rust around water.
I took my shootout apart, then put it back together once incorrectly, assessed the issue, then reassembled correcting the mistake. Overall, it took me about 30 minutes.
Nope that price is terrible. At $180-$200 then I will get over the negatives
Why do all those OTFs have a glass breaker on them?
I’ve taken things apart for many years. I’ve also assembled them again. Anything between generators and iPhones. The most 2 important things to learn are: watch out for concealed springs and know what you should not try to take apart. 😀😎
Pm2og has put it through some torture testing... pretty bloody durable.
So, it took me 10 mins to disassemble and reassemble… once I found the springs 😂😂😂 but that was my fault as I took it apart in a chair while smoking with it sitting on a screwdriver case in my lap. So.
I am a manager of a manufacturing facilities maintenance department, so I am very mechanically inclined to say the least.
Use the very little main spring tension of the blade at the closed and open positions to hold the plate in place, then use a micro flat head screw driver to go through the spring, guide it to the retention hole in the plate, then remove the driver from the spring, place the flat of the screw driver across the springs opening, use it to compress the spring while tilting the driver parallel to the plate while pressing the driver into the slot once the spring is compressed enough for the driver to enter the gap. Use another small tipped driver to hold the spring down while you remove the flathead. Then, very carefully actuate the knife to the other position and use the light main spring tension to hold this plate in place as well, then repeat the process. I started on the glass breaker end.
Hope this can help you guys!
T6
Micro flathead
Micro Philips
Only tools I used.
She was much smoother after I removed some of the small bits of plastic stuck between the pieces from its breakin period. CF-Nylon can be a bit brittle due to the CF so it is to be expected. Aluminum would indeed make this thing a god tier OTF.
My only issue really is the pocket clip digs into the meat of my palm pretty bad. To the point I flipped it to the opposite side and carry it clipped to my pocket watch pocket with the handle outside the pocket.
I’m sorry but if you pay $300 for this knife you already been held up and robbed by a knife maker. If you keep $20 pr less in cash in your wallet , you can get robbed in the street 15 times and still just be breaking even,so spend the money on a pocket pistol in 9mm.
This is the funniest comment I've ever read.
Do yourself a favor and don't dig any deeper into the world of pocket knives. You'll only become more confused
@@metal_complex 😂😂😂 best comments ever
I think I prefer the look of the Phaeton, although the bade to handle ratio could be better.
MC:"OTFs are tools, guys!"
Meanwhile OTFs makers: COMBAT trodon, RECON 040, SHOOTOUT
The only way this could get worse is for an OTF named Fast McStabby Killer Stick to come out.
The price is not crazy either!! What’s going on over at benchmade?!?
I can deal with "cheap" feeling cf elite and I love the stock bugout but those floating internals might be a deal breaker. I have a heretic manticore and it's so simply designed, I tool it apart multiple times to clean and lubricate
I love the design of this knife though. Good reviews metal complex.
OTFs were originally designed as safety knives for single-handed use. Tool first, weapon second.
Ive taken so many otfs and knives in general apart. I wont even attempt with this one.
Slice up some summer sausage and see how good the action is......
This is the only new benchmade that caught my eye and they are all sold out
BladeHQ has them in stock. Get one if you haven’t. I’ve carried mine for theee months
You have the manlyest hands on TH-cam and I salute you sir.
“If you take this thing apart, there is nothing inside but misery”. ROFLOL
I picture you unscrew it and Kathy Bates jumps out and smashes your kneecaps, then walks around and verbally trashes you for disassembling it. 😂
Outlaw automatic rolling pins
Looks nice. Yes, small unsupported parts scare me also. I will probably wait for a aluminum version. Again great review, but man it drives me crazy when people call a knife this size "a big knife." This is a moderate edc size. But hey we all have a subjectivity.
It's great when a company offers a lifetime warranty, but a non-electronic device should be user serviceable. In an emergency, prepper/grid down situation, or if the company goes out of business down the line and you can't send it in, you need to be able to work on it without special equipment or a degree in engineering. Now the price has gone up past $290.
Lmfao, you guys are right… it’s nothing but misery on the inside but…. I did get back together…. Veeeeeeery carefully, it’s a b%^ch but it’s possible
Gave up on benchmade after the mel pardue 720 was discontinued.There well made but way over priced and dont care for plastic handles
I would say the only time it’s appropriate to use proprietary fasteners and screws would be in an instance like this, to severely discourage people from disassembling the knife. Still, not a great idea to own a lot of things you can’t work on yourself. Eventually they will stop making parts and if it breaks it will be junk
Love this knife. Fires hard and cruwear is awesome
I’m a huge Benchmade fan, absolutely love their knives. But my least favorite knife is my Infidel, which was a grail knife for me. Horrible blade play and blade grind.
So how much is too much to pay for spyderco shaman blade hq special with m4 blade ?
30-50 over what Maker price is in my opinion
so you're faulting the manufacturing or knife design because you went against their recommendations and had a hard time reassembling what you disassembled? 🤔
Lol😂
Some of us would like to be able to service our own knives for one reason or another. Designs like these are unnecessarily restrictive for the end-user.
@@AMDERS17yup or who knows, there might be titanium handles and stuff we want to put on them
Yup pretty much
I'll take cf elite over aluminum any day.
I’m jealous of the fourth comment. Number 4 is the Canadian number 1.
The 9400 is the same way. You need an extra hand
Love❤️the blade 👍👌
I feel like now that this video is out there will be an aluminum version come out lol if it does and the price stays very similar I’ll pick one up.
That looks amazing. Everyone should have a good OTF. Hopefully they come out with an aluminum version of this.
My most carried otf in my rotation
Lmao, I took apart my Infidel to clean it... A year later its still in pieces. I can't send it in for repair because benchmade said they won't ship back OTFs even though they are legal in Colorado. I should call them today and see if I can figure something out.
Why do we see almost all aluminum in OTFs and almost no titanium as in premium folding knives?
the hardship to produce titanium isn’t easy once so ever. In an average machine you can make 20 ish alumnium scales and 2-4 titanium scales a day (That’s before you have imperfections)
@@Cahwai If that's the case, why does titanium dominate premium folding knives instead of aluminum? There is something different between the folding knife category and the OTF knife category that must account for the difference but so far I haven't heard an answer.
@@JustKnifeThings people feel better paying more for titanium as it feels more premium which adds to the price tag.
@@JustKnifeThings i also have a copy and paste that’s somewhat on topic for this talking about the spyderco stovepipe from a knife maker i’ll be pasting below:
These are the same people that say "just make it out of titanium & charge $40 extra for it..."
They know nothing about what it takes to make something. Taiwan isn't China. They actually pay their workers.
So a normal machine with a good operator can make 30 pairs of aluminum handles per day. It's usually more like 20-25 pairs.
Guess how many titanium handles it can make?
Four. That's peak. Except you never get four. It's more like 2-3.
Now, that's actual handles with two sides like what we make. I believe much of the Spyderco stuff is flat on the inside, which means one operation. If it's milled on the inside at all, then it's two ops, which is very slow because it's loaded twice with double the shit that can go wrong.
The other expense on that stovepipe is the blade. Normally it would be loaded into a grinder to be finished - but that blade is definitely milled. It's the only way to get those decorative bits on it & the prybar on the back of the blade. That's a whole other machining process, on hardened steel no less. Those custom pivot screws? Another machine process. Custom pivot collar? A machine that could be making handles is now making pivot collars.
All that stuff adds up really quick. Custom knives have a bunch of small parts not suited to production. It's easy to make a few pivot collars for a custom knife; but in a production shop, you need
thousands of them. That means using a machine, that could be making more knives, just to make a single part. The math just doesn't add up on things like that, so there is a cost to it.
It's like machined clips. You're taking a machine making handles for entire knives, & making clips on it. So instead of 30 knife handles at the end of the day, you have a handful of clips. You can obviously make way more with 50% of a knife than you can with 10% of one that most people overlook anyways lol. That's the business side of it.
@@Cahwai That still doesn't explain why the same wouldn't apply to OTFs. We have two categories of knife - OTF and folder, and people will pay premium price for either - hundreds of dollars. But one uses almost all aluminum and the other uses almost all titanium. So it isn't a production cost thing and it isn't a retail price thing because the same conditions would apply to the makers and customers of either category of knife. So far i still don't have an answer to why one category uses one metal and one category uses the other metal even though the comparative expense and work and retail price factors would apply to either. There is an answer out there that compares not titanium to aluminum, but OTF to folder.
I got out my Bug Out and looked at it again, since you mentioned it. It does feel incredibly cheap, like a toy, and the Axis lock tries to jam. Even though its a Knife Center edition, I can’t understand why it costs more than about $60. I remember now why I quit buying Benchmade knives…
Are you using grivory? I was thinking about getting a Bugout with carbon fiber scales and M390.
Unless the Bugout really is horrible for the lock as you mention and/or some other feature, maybe I'll buy one if first I can find it and second I have a reason to celebrate.
Ooo fourth comment.😁 I hope everyone has a greater day!☀️🔪