Float like Mifune | old judo concept I use for wrestling, Muay Thai, and MMA
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มิ.ย. 2021
- Kyuzo Mifune was one of the most prolific judo practitioners next to the founder of the art himself, Jigoro Kano.
After an MMA training session, I showed some of my students an old film real of Mifune doing randori (sparring in judo, where the objective is to throw the other man to the floor) with a group of highly skilled advanced black belts, beating them all one after the other. Mifune was close to 80 years old at the time of filming. Mifune stood only 5’2” tall and weighed a meager percentage 100 lbs. Yet throughout his life, Mifune was able to defeat much larger, stronger opponents with his martial arts skills.
The cat-like reflexes, balance, and weight distribution, and “floating” movement quality Mifune shows in these video clips is a demonstration of the highest level of judo, and yet, it is something mechanically simple that can be integrated into many different aspects of grappling, wrestling, BJJ, Muay Thai, and mixed martial arts. In this video, I show some wrestling applications of Mifune’s “floating” movement to counter takedown and sweep attempts.
I decided to share these thoughts after my friend Lukas • Ramsey Dewey Podcast #... used a similar “floating” counter during a sparring session at the Shanghai UFC Performance Institute. This is not a “how to” video. The intention is not to teach you how to do a floating harai goshi counter throw in mid air. Instead, I want you to start asking questions about the efficiency of your own movement patterns and training routines.
There is much to be learned from old film studies. Give it a try!
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Do you think there are other old martial arts masters like Mifune with knowledge to acquire?
My question is how did you become so great
If you don’t know that, you haven’t trained with enough people yet.
Question for the Coach: What’s your opinion on sumo - really getting into it recently and it strikes me it would be good in MMA but, if memory serves me right, those sumo who tried always went out really fast. If we still had an open weight MMA division do you think we would see sumo do well if they mixed in a strong understanding of bjj kickboxing etc? Thanks for all the really insightful vids!
The most successful sumotori in MMA is Lyoto Machida.
But wait, doesn’t Machida also train in Karate, BJJ, Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling, and everything else all successful MMA fighters do?
Yes!
Want to be that aware at 80 years old. Respect.
I imagine it takes a lifetime of practice
@@muineeguh7011 yes at least 80 years XD
He was in his 60s at the time of shooting this tho... Anyway. Point still stands
Mifune seemed to have completely understood the theory of " jū yoku gō wo seisu" (softness controls the hardness). He was like a feather in the hands of bears
"Float like a Mifune, lock like a Kimura"
I love how Ramsey looks back to old sources for inspiration and learning, without worshipping the past.
This has always been the infinitely more interesting component to the Mifune film to me than his throws. Yes, they are impressive, especially coming from an old man. But his ability to ride technique essentially means he could just wait until his partner presented the conditions to him for a successful throw. We obviously don’t have film of a younger Mifune and most of his books are tragically untranslated (and rare-I know, I’ve looked for them). But I suspect this was always the key to his success given he was known more as a technician than as someone who was brutally strong or quick.
Ramsey's voice sounding extra ASMR today for some reason.
This is fascinating
I took some judo in OKC a bunch of years ago, and I remember watching one of the black belts doing some ground work and teaching. He asked the guy on bottom to spin as hard and fast as he could while he stayed on top in side control. While never letting go or losing his connection, the black belt just floated on top and never seemed to move more than six inches in any direction, no matter what the player on bottom did. It was beautiful to watch.
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"Float Like Mifune, Sting Like Bruce Lee" - some idiot in the TH-cam comments...
Ramsey, best Judo video you've taught. Amazing techniques from that 80 year old. Relaxing is something that comes with training. When I first started we would all tense up and makes it easier for your opponent to get the upper hand 🧤. Thank You. I Love your hands on teaching. I also know there is no magic bullet. It's conditioning, hard work, consistency, techniques and a good coach like you. Thank you so much.
I've since watched many videos of JIGORO KANO. Amazing, talented, techniques! I can see many disciplines in these techniques in Akido, Jujitsu, Chin-na, etc.
I took a Tai chi class last week and used one of the moves they taught me to successfully get a takedown in wrestling next day. It was cool because it attacks the opponent’s structure at its weakest points, so you need very little of your own power to knock them over. Fun!
What move was it?
Can't wait for the next video after this where you've decided gravity no longer applies to you
Also I'd like to find a way to use some of these techniques for riding a really locked in single leg. I got a buddy whos got 100 lbs over me and is an ox to boot and he can only really get me down with the single as of right now.
Also also; side note. Mifune really just lifted a man and dropped him like a sack of potatoes
That’s the power of posture!
@@RamseyDewey and spending about 70 years repetitively throwing people around like ragdolls. Mifune definitely got out there and trained...
@@RamseyDewey and centrifugal force!
P.S. Cheers for these vids you been posting, highly edutaining! X
“Old man” judo is like tai chi, so maybe tai chi is “old man” kung fu!/wushu. Principles of sensitivity, flow and relaxation while maintaining contact to feel the intent of you opponent. Awesome stuff!
Wow this old guy was a master of going with the flow. Flowing with his opponent's momentum at same time keeping his body out of reach avoiding the take down.
It’s almost surreal the way he’s moving mid-air. If I saw a video of someone doing that these days I’d almost question whether there’s wire-work involved. Incredible stuff from anyone, let alone an 80 year old
As a judoka and a watcher of your stuff I have took a lot of concepts from this vid but from how you explained it makes it so much clearer! Thank you!
The fact that this technique is based so much on relaxing your body just makes me want to see you play Toribash - which I'm sure I've said sometime before. It's a really interesting concept for a videogame, and seeing a knowledgeable *real* fighter playing it and figuring out how it works is just something I think would be interesting for a lot of people.
It's real nice you giving Judo some love. Because it doesn't really get any!!
I think this feel for floating is especially important when you're a lighter guy/gal. Even with good strength, you can't move the other guy's mass easily, but you can still control the relative position between your bodies until gravity will be on your side.
Exactly * * * * * 5 Stars for the wise reply.
I been the smaller guy most my life, so I learned to ride the bulls *
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Paul D'Antuono
@@PunchProfessor Thanks! Coming from you, that means a lot. One of toughest adjustments I had was when I turned 30, I'd bulked from 165 to 190, half lean, over a year and a half. I was training at an MMA gym in Perm, Russia at the time. It was such a shock to all of a sudden be getting chopped down as an oak after a decade of riding the storms as a willow. On the other hand, it was exciting to discover how handy mass can be.
please keep making these technical grappling videos they are insane
my first judo coach in japan called the relaxed weight move something that translated into "dead protestor" - named after the tactics of people who would protest outside a certain embassy in Minato-ku.
Not that the protestors were dead, just that they went limp to make removal difficult!
This is one of the ideas behind tai chi push hands (in some schools). As well as going past oral teachings push hands was to allow older practitioners past their athletic prime to pass on their wisdom within the confines of an agreed upon set of rules. Older bodies can't take the punishment we once used to endure easily but the techniques are so delicate and practiced if a younger student could take this wisdom he would be able to content with those equally as athletic and always have an advantage.
great demonstration , every judoka should go back to what judo once was . the real canon of judo , to be as flexible as a willow tree.
Who's putting out the Real Judo? Ramsey is putting out the real Judo that's who! None of this trimming it down for the Olympics stuff. It's honestly refreshing to watch.
Thank you for just keeping the art alive at this point. it's going the way of karate and taekwondo etc.
Judo is such a major fundamental component of the arts, It cannot be lost. Not to BJJ, the Olympics etc. Kind of fed up of seeing BJJ guys doing judo and calling it BJJ. BJJ is legit no sh... but people should make the distinction. wouldn't bother me if JJ variations of Wazza in general were actually being used. lethal vs non lethal essentially. so thankyou.
"Kind of fed up of seeing BJJ guys doing judo and calling it BJJ"
I don't know, that's kind of like a guy in the late 1800s saying "I'm kind of fed up of seeing Judoka doing Ju-Jutsu and calling it Judo."
@@connorperrett9559 No, it's not. that's just some false equivalence you made on the spot. please make an actual structured argument or go away, your mockery impresses no one.
BJJ guys talk some mad S*** these day so take a hint. then you find out most of em have only ever trained in BJJ at all.... so no wonder they be tripin hard!
@@TheOriginalJAX
What is this, debate class?
My point was that arts share many techniques and traits, especially lineage arts. We know Judo descended from Ju-Jutsu, and BJJ descended from Judo, and so they all share techniques that originated from the common source. If you say that BJJ players should say that certain techniques they perform are actually Judo techniques then you can make the same claim that Judoka should say that certain techniques they perform are actually Ju Jutsu techniques. It's not a false equivalent when there's a direct lineage between all three arts and they all have techniques they share.
@@connorperrett9559 I'm aware of the lineage that's my point in the first place.... you guy's don't get how they are different and how they relate to each other. Most people do not train In real judo anymore, not all but most. many current BJJ practitioners has taken whole cloth the many wazza's that use to be commonly trained in judo and label it BJJ when it's not. how hard is it to get? stop misappropriating the art, it's insulting to those who actually trained in the original way because we know better as we can tell the difference and point it out. cause it looks like you are talking around my point while trying to refute it, That's gas lighting and low too. I would say Gracie deserves a better legacy than that.
If anything it's counter productive to BJJ in the long run, Because I do actually like seeing BJJ variations on judo and ju-jitsu wazza. is that so much to ask? seriously is it? unless you like the idea of people eventually not taking BJJ seriously either? Cause I Don't.
@@connorperrett9559 Also one other thing, very few judo techniques are done exactly same as they are in JU-jitsu and yes we would train both ways so we knew the difference!!!!. ya know cause ju-jitsu was originally intended to kill and all that. I'm pretty sure the rest is self explanatory.
Thank you guys. Inspirational and interesting . Wonderful camaraderie between the both of you. Keep it up please lads . 👏🖖
This is an awesome video. It makes me miss judo.
I love that video of Mifune. I've never had the opportunity to train in Judo myself, but I love the art nonetheless. But I do remember talking about this video with my tai chi instructor and relating it to the rooting and balance we try to train in push hands.
I read "float like a muffin" I was expecting a weird explanation from you lol.
I’m trying to imagine that video!
80 yr old WOW!!!! WOW!!!!! Moving like that !mind boggling !!!!
So exciting
I love that you dig up this old footage and help us understand.
I want to do that cat thing
You got lots put of the Mifune video.
This was really good.
Mifune's movements honestly remind me of b-boy movements in terms of how he distributed and controlled his weight so well.
Love your work and analysis! 🧐
Yet another great video. Thank you, Ramsey!
That reversal was amazing
Great video bro. I’ve watched some Mifune classics and was wondering the same thing. 👍🏾
Coach this is a lovely video, thanks a bunch!
This is such a cool concept, and I would love to incorporate it into my wrestling. Have you seen any examples used in freestyle or Greco, or is it just a Mifune Judo thing?
having loose limbs makes it easier to react whether punching or standing. Wrestling stance is usually a bit further out to prevent easy double legs, but I think the idea applies. You could definitely use it for attempted ankle picks and possibly even during ground game.
It's all most the equivalent of rolling with the punches.
I'm not trying to be trite, but have you been watching Dake, Burroughs, or Taylor the past 5-10 years? These guys are all about being relaxed on the mat. Sure, they got tons of explosive power, but they don't just stand there and push each other around, they're all moving their feet constantly, trying to get an angle, and only then exploding upon a percieved weakness.
Dake is especially good at taking an opponents mistake and getting turns from positions where you don't expect it. His chest wrap defense is a nasty, nasty turn.
Also know, that being relaxed doesn't mean that its easy. You can be relaxed and in control of your body, but that doesn't magically make fighting/wrestling "easy." You still must be well conditioned and strong.
Great insight from this old video . Seems like much knowledge has been lost through the passage of time. This was yet another great example.
What a brilliant video!!! Thank you!!!
That video is a gem. Never trained judo but have watched it plenty of times. Great video as well!
This is absolutely brilliant!
Mifune!! Great stuff,Coach. Thanks and take care!
Amazing Mr Ramsey as always
Always useful stuff.
This is what taichi taught me. I so regret quitting it.
thats why its a nightmare if a heavy person lose conciousness and need your help to carry him
this is a great video. thanks!
Good job! I like you refer to the old videos of Mifune sensei.
Thank you very much!!!! More like this!
My judo class has been allowed to start again and this video was released at a pretty appropriate time, lol.
Awesome, beautiful!
Amazing!
This is exactly the principle my cat used when I'd pick him up and he slunks out of my arms. No matter what hold I have on him, this cat could simple sink his way out and slide through my arms. Maybe Mifune learned this from a cat. Do you have any experience with slunking cats, Ramsey?
Yep. That’s how cats move.
Mifune never surrenders upper body posture for control thus able to maintain balance (@2.44)
Awesome to watch
This is bad ass.
Mifunes book (Canon of judo) is one of my prized possessions
This is a fantastic tip. Thanks, coach!
- Jared from the Future
A lot of Mifune footage seems to be very obviously enhanced by a lack of resistance. Theres even footage of him applying "chokes" without any semblance of technique, just squeezing his legs around his opponents head.
While the concepts he taught are valuable, there is undeniably something to be said regarding the prevalence of choreography in his videos.
I almost can't keep up with the content😀.
This is very cool 👏
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We all know the video, 10-15 years ago it amazed me, the way he was jumping ahead of throws , and i leapt about the mat thinking WOW ...if I know EXACTLY when and how I'm about to be thrown...i can just...
Over time i realised that's true for any attack. If i know EXACTLY when and how somebody is taking a punch or a shot at me there is ALL SORTS of stuff i can do , but it relies on almost aikido like unrealistic choreography.
Human behavior is very predictable. Human behavior in a fight, even more so.
Your students too nice, he didn't want to go hard xD
Fedor used to do this in the Sambo days as well to counter the single leg
I often times have thoughts about who would win between older martial arts masters. I’ve got a list.
Who do you guys think wins and why.
Kyuzo Mifune vs Masahiko Kimura
Gichin funakoshi vs helio Gracie
And finally Joe Louis vs Matsutatsu Oyama.
Mifune time and Kimura time is a big time gap and Judo changed alot in that time gap. Besides, look at Kimura training schedule, he's a genetic freak. Mifune in his prime could toe to toe with him but the 80s years old Mifune ? Small winning percentage
@@jaketheasianguy3307 No I was speaking of prime mifune, I wouldn’t put an elderly man against someone in there 30s.
Nice
Ramsey, I admire your open mind. I hope I get to meet you and train with you one day.
Very very nice
Chadi have a good video about Judo in the old days and current days.
whats so weird is grappling with my friends and brother when i was a kid and teenager, i'd find myself doing this naturally alot, just from the nature of being a smaller kid. obviously i had zero technique but its interesting how alot of these things are fairly intuitive
Around ten minutes in, as you're just trying to "feel" what he's up to, it looks very much like taji push hands exercise.
Damn. When you showed that video of Mifune it was like he was an eel or something, constantly slipping off your grasp.
Another great video, in that it advanced my EDUCATION * * * * * 5 Stars for that*
I somehow became an older guy, who has learned the importance of studying Bio Mechanics of my body. When my mechanics are sharp. and on point, I utilize very little energy.
Mechanics provide Speed, Power, and Efficiency, with only a little physical effort/strength.
As I aged I learned. My Bio Mechanics now/today is better than ever!
Necessity as I aged, is the reason why I learned* * * * * My advice is for you to do the same.
Now get out there and train!
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👍👍👍👍 tout est dans le relâchement et c'est pas facile...
You're completely wrong. What Mifune does IS magic. It's completely other worldly
Nice video mate, we call that throw Tobi Goshi jumping hip, the trick is to encourage them to attack while you have the dominant grip.
That's a bit confusing, in Judo training I was taught to never ever jump and lift my feet only from the ground if necessary for a throw or else I will get sweeped from my feet. How did you / Mifune prevent being sweeped mid-air??
You jump, when the oponent initiates the sweep and tries to unbalance you. Move with his force. His sweep should miss your legs. If you just jump up and down in the middle of the fight, you will get thrown.
It's hard to describe. I started to get pretty good at this before I got injured. The way I thought about it was following Tori's Hikite hand in such a way that it didn't cause my shoulders to break the plan parallel to the floor. If they managed to cause my shoulders and head to break their natural plane, all they had to do was use their hips, shoulders, or foot as a fulcrum to throw me. BUUUTTT... If I felt the initial pull and added a force of my own in the initial direction of the pull, it would cause their hikite arm to lengthen and loose the power needed to cause me to break the plane.
Ughh... its really hard to use words.
----> His initial Pull + the direction I float towards
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_| The direction he wants to rotate towards to pull me over his fulcrum (by causing my weight to shift over it via breaking the plane of my head + shoulders).
I then focus on keeping my hips and shoulders parallel to the ground no matter what - with my head in a neutral position (not looking up or down). I think about landing on both feet at the same time.
Yeah, this was a jacked up response. Probably someone can add a better explanation...
I think I got it, thanks for your reply :)
Would you be able to do video on wrestling for mma? Specifically transitions and dominant positions. I've looked for videos on it but they're always short and very specific to one position with no explanation on how to get there in the first place. I also think you'd just make a better tutorial than anyone else would
When you realize you were using an ancient technique against your older brother “you underestimate my power” i want to get into mma so badly i was just wanna learn every way to fight become a weapon of mass destruction type shit
Yes I am making a second comment. Just to say thank you for this video you have improved my ground game by a lot I just got back from class and was with a huge mountain of a man. I mean 6'3-6'5 and at least 75kg for reference I am 5'6 and am 55kg on a good day. And was being manhandled in rolls then I remembered this and started being able to force where he was moving a bit and even got my second submission against a completely resisting opponent. That being said he started to use a bit more strength and just literally squishing me after I did that hahaha but he was still resisting before to the extent I couldn't move him with muscle power.
Mmm, that Judo sequence was beautiful.
You gave me an idea for my Kendo
Heres a question Ramsey. I know youve already discussed that the best cardio for X is to do more X but does doing standup martial arts somewhat help in performing on stage, endurance wise?
Its my first time performing in 2 weeks playing for a band (am on bass) and we're doing a 40 minute set. My boxing training usually takes around the same time.
I know theyre both way different activities but if Im on my feet for boxing for 4o mins, then surely I can spend thr same time just playing bass.
Great question! Everyone underestimates the sheer endurance required to play bass until they try it!
Absolutely, it will help. If you want to push yourself more, and emulate carrying the weight of your instrument, try doing your boxing drills with a weight vest on.
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!
0:46 nice hipswitch mid-toss.
Lesson Principle: knowing when to transition between "sloshy water" and "Rigid I-beam"
I fucking love you dude. Awesome. I love those old judo guys.
No homo, no homo. Well....maybe a little. Nobody really knows. I certainly don't. Nor do I care.
Mifune was a god to us but in those videos, his opponent is clearly jumping
Does Ramsey Dewey have an instructional video on that leg drag takedown he does in basically every video? Can't find it.. !
th-cam.com/video/CIu1p2b0KD0/w-d-xo.html
Yep!
@@RamseyDewey Two weeks old, how could I have missed it! Thanks!
Hey Ramsey, you might be interested to know that what you talk about here are fundamental principles in aikido. Learning to do this stuff starts on day one of training.
Every time I watch a clip on this master of judo I scream - Mifune!
All I hear in the background as a response - ‘ no! you’re not funny at all!’
An old man with decades of study.
@Ramsey Dewey, I’d love to see a stream with Chadi. He’s a judoka who posts a lot of cool tidbits. Same with Shintaro Higashi.
say coach..it may be a little cheap like the sucker punch..i really dont find that cheap though...step on the toes an give em a push lol...its really is neat to see the wrestling crossover..that submission in the beginning i learned something very like that...we called that a standing take down..honestly never occured to me to sinch it with my other arm like that pro did...but im not a pro so...nice i will remember that one thank u sir.
I got out there and trained today 😃 #trainedtoday
Yes!
Hello. Great video.
By the way, at 0"30 : "he attemps Hane Goshi" ... well, no, that is not this technique's name. But then it is explained in plain english, and is, of course, correctly described : outside reaping leg throw. ( Which Hane Goshi isn't ).
Please don't mind my useless comment. I am just a small time judoka, and I love to get the terms right. ( English isn't my first language, and I am sure I made some spelling mistakes. )
Cheers everybody.
thx for the video.
I really would like to have seen this concept with an heavier Partner and a bit more resistance.
Plot twist: I am the heavier parter!
@@RamseyDewey yes, you are, but you are guiding so much (great instructor). But it's a bit hard to see, how well it works if there would be a bit more preassure.
looks like a superpower its almost creepy
That old man is like a snow-flake. Pretty fascinating stuff.
so mr ramsey when i went to google; what martial arts styles do you need in order to compete in ufc/mma 7 which are karate,taekwondo,muay thai,kickboxing,boxing,wrestling and like you know that i'm going to learn when i go to my gym and others are sanda,kyokushin karate,taekwondo itf,muay thai,combat sambo,bjj,boxing like i have said to you and others these martial arts fighting styles are combat sports and are not only the best of all times but used and practiced more in ufc/mma thanks to cung le,khabib nurmagomedov,gsp and others