@@snapdragon9300 that depends on how you look at it. Did that agency even exist at that point...? they were supposed to leave it up to the viewer, but the Discovery tv show fucked that up
That's the problem, @@DMSProduktions. You'd kinda think the Reliant would skip the planet Khan was on, being planet V, even if they forgot he was there. They'd go on looking for planet VI and find naught but its debris.
I was at a convention when Walter Koenig was asked this. He told this hilarious story that he was below decks, having a serious bowel movement. Khan really had to go and was banging on the door. When Chekov finally came out , Khan said he would always remember his face
I love the fact Garak was given free reign. Im pretty sure Sisko knew who he was dealing with and allowed the relationships to develop for trust reasons. In the end Garak proves himself to be for the greater good. Favorite character in ST.
I loved the WWII analogy with these races. The Bjorans were the Jews and the Cardacians were the Nazis. Garack was a "Nazi" war criminal who later did his best to atone for his crimes against humanoidity. Or so he wants people to think.
The Uhura problem can be resolved by having her memories not really wiped out but just suppressed, so the education brings back her own memories/personality.
For Seska, in the episode where she's revealed, she has a surface level backstory about getting a blood transfusion from a Cardassian, and they only saw through it after results came back from a detailed analysis. Personally, I always thought it was to another hint towards Bajoran/Cardassian shared ancestry - like how easily Dukat has kids with Bajorans, and how the ancient solar sail craft end up in the Cardassian solar system.
@@lancecampbell4323 don't even enjoy the episode where she sets the booby trap that trapped Tom and Tuvok on the holodeck with her hologram? That's pretty memorable
Love the "Possible Cardassian lifesigns detected. Followup Yes/NO" ...glad to see that in the future we haven't surpassed 1980's video game questions... ;)
Scotty knows that 'death' isn't always final in this universe, especially since 1) it happened to him and 2) Kirk's body was never found. Now, how many people does he think would have had the pull to get an Enterprise back into service? It might have been more wishful thinking than actually believing Kirk was still alive. Bigger question is why didn't McCoy or Spock go looking for him? We definitely know they lived long enough to.
I've always assumed that for Scotty the words "Enterprise" and "Kirk" were synonymous anyway. Not fully awake and thinking quickly about other stuff it's just what he would have immediately thought.
I find it more questionable how no one knew ther was a bloody Dicon Sphere! It obviously was on route to the colony Scotty wantet to retire too! So how did no one notice it fore over 80 years?!
The Uhura memory issue is dealt with in Christoper L. Bennett's new book Living Memory. The usual fan theory for why Scotty doesn't remember Kirk's death is that he is still loopy from being stuck in the transporter for 70 odd years.
The matter is also addressed later in the episode. Nomad didn't so much wipe her memories as access them. This caused her to be unable to access them, though they were still there. Please re-watch the episode, it's a pretty good one!
Goody for Christopher L. Bennett. I don’t care. This is a TV show, we shouldn’t need a reading assignment (55 years later) to help the story fit together. Neither should we need to go hunting between the lines to fill plot holes, but in this case I think we can: fluence in Swahili came back to her first and readily, perhaps hinting that Nomad’s ‘memory wipe’ explanation was an oversimplification. Everything was still in her pretty head, it had been driven from her consciousness. An intense refresher quickly restored knowledge and memories.
Unless she was physically damaged the 24th century must have advanced in education and treatment. Relearning skills is much easier than learning them initially.
@@terraprime4457 - I would say that deliberately blowing up your own shop on an enclosed space station is a sign of mental illness. They should have dealt with that better, IMO.
My headcanon for the "Relics" plot hole is simply that Scotty had just spent however many years in a stasis loop and he was probably more than a little disoriented upon his rescue.
Basically. He graduated the Academy and was stationed on the Enterprise in early 2267. Space Seed happens in 2267 so he was more likely then not on the ship. It's very probably that Khan had gone over the ships roster before attempting to take it over and saw Chekov in it. It's also possible he ran into him in the dinning facilities or something.
Just because Checkov wasn't on the bridge during the first season doesn't mean that he wasn't on the ship. There were 400+ crew members on the Enterprise. Kahn could have encountered him somewhere on the ship other than the bridge.
During his first episodes there are some lines about him being green, suggesting he's a new officer. But he might've interned on the Enterprise before his commission.
With Star Trek III, Sarek does mention that they need Spock's body as well as his katra to be laid to rest. I think the bigger plot hole is - why wouldn't Starfleet know that all Vulcans should be interred in this way?
Could be filed under the same reason why something so important to Vulcan biology and psychology as Pon Farr was a big secret to Starfleet during the TOS era: Vulcan are just really sensitive about their more...illogical...cultural elements.
Also why didn't savek contact starfleet and request for them to send Spock's body??? And... How could Savek know about the genesis planet prior to meeting Kirk if starfleet considered it classified information??
@@generalilbis Or it's something relatively new? The whole Vulcan Reformation that Archer helped to start might have involved a new focus on spirituality that was lost for centuries.
Very good point, especially considering it was the Vulcans who first made contact with us after the Warp Program success. There is no way we would not know something as simple as their burial practices.
He met Chekov in a corridor. He bumped into Khan, Chekov “Watch where you are going!” Khan “I never forget a face mr?…” Chekov “My name is Chekov, remember it!” 😂😂😂
When Khan was going through the ship's technical manuals during his time in the sick bay (Space Seed), he also went over ship's personnel files and found Chekov's file/photo and like everything else he learned, committed it to memory...plot hole filled.
I cant believe they left out "The Next Phase" where La Forge and Ro are able to walk through walls...but don't fall through the floor. That's bothered me since I was a kid.
Not to mention the fact how did they breath, air being physical particles, but they kill the Romulan by pushing him thru the bulkhead into space?????????
Remember…Kirk went back to retrieve Spock’s body. At one point he even asks Saavik if the Vulcan male she refers to is alive. To which she replies that he is but he is not himself…that he is suffering from rapid aging just like the planet. Therefore, no message to Starfleet was necessary! Kirk was going to bring Spock’s body back to Vulcan along with Spock’s Katra. When Sarak tells Kirk that he must bring them both to Vulcan…he was referring to McCoy and Spock’s Katra. Kirk probably took it literally and went to retrieve Spock’s body! Only AFTER did everyone discover that Spock was in fact alive…did they suggest a refusion!
I watched the film the other day and it really stuck out to me "...Was Kirk listening properly? Sarek only wanted the Katra. He wasn't concerned with the body!". But then again, Sarek agrees that bringing them "both" to Vulcan will be difficult but he knows Kirk "will find a way" - surely, that way simply being to shove McCoy onto the next space-bus to Vulcan, just like Sarek? So logically speaking, the scene doesn't play out clearly, but I think by then the audience would be expect to already know that Saavik and David are about to find Spock alive in some form or another.
He got to serve a year or something like that, but got released even earlier (those 6 months or so), because Sisko wanted to use him on some mission. That was not a plot hole AT ALL and they placed it as number one on their list. That, itself, is a "plot hole". :-D
I think Scotty never really believed that Kirk was dead and so, when he heard that the Enterprise had rescued him, his first thought was that it must be Kirk.
@@popmonika no mental break needed since he had come back from death before, and so had kirk. hell, they had witnessed a brainless spock walking around.
Scotty not remembering Kirk died could very well be expained with him being so long inside the transporter matrix resulting in memory loss. Iirc his pattern wasn't at 100% at the time anymore.
with Chekov, i always just assumed he was a crewman at that stage and kahn saw him on the ship.... Unless when they introduced him, they explicitly said he just joined the ship...... I dont know TOS that well D:
His first apperance he said he is not green in a defensive way, but nothing to say he was new. I made a video where I talk about when he likly joined the ship, and where he might have been posted to encounter Khan.
I met Andrew Robinson, and Alexander Siddig at a Trek convention in Marietta GA back around 2000. Andrew and Alexander were super nice and kind and everything you could hope for. Especially Andrew. All good wishes!
There is the possibility that in the episode “Space Seed” there is the possibility that Chekov was a junior non-bridge officer at the time. As for why Khan was so hostile towards Chekov perhaps Chekov kept Khan waiting too long for the bathroom.
Didn't think Spock's body was a plothole, just thought Sarek wanted his sons body back for whatever their burial ritual was. As for Spock's katra I thought sarek would have transferred it to a trained vulcan. But as kirk brought back a rejuvenated Spock's body and his katra, sarek sort to reunite the two.
The big question is why he didn't go directly to starfleet and request Spock's body... Also, how would (prior to speaking to Kirk) would he have known about the genesis planet if starfleet considered it classified information.
He is in the loop on classified information because he is an ambassador to Earth and his son's body was left on said "planet forbidden" classified planet.
On 6, more just Scotty's natural reaction when he hasn't thought about it then a plot hole. On 10, Garak did get a jail sentence for that, Warf even comments on it been overly lenient
I'd never considered that about Seska. One thing that nagged me about Voyager when I was watching is how the aliens who were following Voyager for the first few seasons keep pace with Janeway when they considered a replicator "exotic technology"?
I’m surprised you didn’t mention that the tilm makers claim that Chekov simply wasn’t assigned to the bridge yet and had made Khan wait to use the bathroom. 😆
In the TOS episode “That Which Survives” the Enterprise was flung clear across the galaxy, Voyager-style, and made it back within HOURS, in time to save the landing party, while achieving warp 14.9.
In TWOK, when the Enterprise is heading to Regula 1, while travelling at Warp 5, Spock states that they are 12 hours and 43 minutes from Regula, after which they view the Genesis file. Let's assume it takes an hour, to view the recording and discuss it. That would put them at 11 hours and 43 minutes away, when Khan attacks them. After the battle, the Enterprise limps to Regula, on impulse power, which would take weeks, if not months. However, on arrival, Bones states rigor hasn't set into the bodies, which it undoubtedly would've done, after such a long time.
@@b.s.864 Seen only Season 1 so far; and that only because I bought the DVD. Don't have the channel LD comes on so I'll have to wait until Season 2 also comes out on DVD. Love that show though. :-)
Khan was reading the tech manuals in sickbay, since he was plotting to take the ship he most likely reviewed the ships personnel. Not a plot hole so much as an incomplete story. Also, Although Chekov does not appear in "Space Seed", "Catspaw"-with the character-has an earlier stardate.
Came to say the same. When the episodes are ordered by Stardate rather than the order they aired, it shows Chekhov was aboard prior to Space Seed. Just means we didn't seem him on screen in the episode, not that he wasn't aboard (where Khan could have encountered him).
@@TheStarTrekApologist Even if you discount stardates and stick to production order, it's still the most probable reason for them knowing each other. Although, you didn't dispute that bit. :-)
Pretty sure Chekov was on the crew when Khan was aboard the Enterprise (see Catspaw) and since Khan read through most, if not all, the tech manuals and crew manifest, he would still recognize Chekov.
Plot hole: The borg have effective time travel technology, but only ever used it once. This makes them invulnerable to defeat and can simply undo any mistakes they might make and we saw that they can change history to their benefit. Also, the one time they use it they go back to to stop first contact, and, you know, which is irrelevant when you have time travel, but Seven said the borg were present for that. How could she have known when the attempt to change history obviously failed and the cube was destroyed and the sphere was destroyed moments later in the past? The answer is obvious, they just wanted to mention the movie but it makes no sense.
It's even worse than that. In _Timeless_ it's established that the Borg have devices in their brains that let them communicate across time. But somehow Harry Kim is the only one who's ever used it.
I think you missed one major issue here. When Sarak comes to see Kirk Kirk he basically says bring the katra and spcks body to mount saleya only there they will both find peace. he doesn't necessarily know spocks body is alive. it sounds to me like he simply wanted a proper burial, katra and all. it was only after the discovery on Genesis that Sarak decided to commit to the refusion.
We don't know Chekov wasn't there. He could have easily been assigned to somewhere on the Enterprise other then the Bridge. Kahn could have run into Chekov somewhere other then the Bridge.
My head canon was that Chekov was sick during that time and while out and about somewhere in the ship, bumped into Khan and threw up all over the guy, which would explain why Khan did not forget Chekov's face.
Why don't you know if he was or wasnt there? Are you not really a trek fan and only accept info from TH-camr lol We know he was there, didn't anybody bother finding out what the bloody star dates were for both occasions? Chekov joined sometime before 3018.2 and Khan showed up in 3142.8 Since 3018.2 comes before 3142.8. we know for sure he was there the whole time. It was his first commission, he wasn't getting BRIDGE OFFICER treatment right away and be certainly wasn't going AWOL
@@jamesmeppler6375 Wow aren't you infantile with the insults. Maybe when you grow up you can make your point without being condescending.... Furthermore, maybe Chekov was on leave, maybe he was on temporary assignment, you actually don't know.
Good list. You’re off on #4. - they were just looking for Spocks body. - it was an accident finding the Klingons etc. -and they explained seska pretty well.
Re #6: In one episode there is a bit where Spock addresses a male crew member as Rand. He says "Rand, Take over here!" referring to Sulu's usual console. I have often wondered if that was supposed to be her. She appears later in the episode. And from what I have heard, there were stories that just before she quit, she was showing up late on shooting days. So its possible the script said "Rand" and spock played it as written.
Oy! You done goofed, sir! You said Kirk had no reason to go find Spock’s body on Genesis because he didn’t know his body had resurrected, but he did have a reason to. Sarek told him to bring “them both”, McCoy AND Spock, to Mt. Seleya.
I think that Scotty thinking that Kirk had come to rescue him can be attributed to momentary confusion and disorientation given that the man just been rematerialized after being in a transporter buffer for several decades.
About Chekov - if you watch the DVD special features, Walter Koenig says that Chekov was in the loo when Khan needed to use it. When Chekov came out, Khan said "I never forget a face...". Problem solved!
#8: It is likely that Chekov was aboard the Enterprise in a lower decks role when Khan took over the ship. He just didn't get promoted to Navigator until later. So he would have seen Khan and might even have interacted with him in some minor way.
Its not only likely, its a certainty that he was aboard the enterprise Chekov first joined the enterprise sometime before 3018.2 and Khan showed up in 3142.8 Since 3018.2 comes before 3142.8. we know for sure he was there the whole time.
Walter Koenig theorized that Chekov was a low ranking officer on the Enterprise during Space Seed who once made Khan wait a long time to use the bathroom, and that's why he remembered him.
Just look up the star dates...that alone should END any question about chekov being on board...Khan memorized everything, he saw EVERY person's picture and information if not seeing him in passing, there's plenty of ways Khan knows this. Does no one really like star trek enough to remember how easy it is to check this stuff? That's why things REMAINING canon is so important
On the Kotra point. Kirk didn't know Spock was alive until Savek told him just before David died. Remember that it was a shock to learn that he was alive. Kirk went back to retrieve Spock's body but found out what the Klingons were doing and that they were massively unprepared. Plus they point this out at the end on Vulcan.
I still don’t understand how Picard’s end for Data was good. It was a false restart and the B-4 still out there he could still be resurrected so it wasn’t a true end either.
Data trully died on board the Scimitar, they used B-4 to restore him, so B-4 isn't out there somewhere, he is "Picard's" Data. And Brent Spinner is done playing Data for eternity, he's also growing old, de-aging him wouldn't work infinitely, so they made a perfect ending for his character in Picard.
In universe explanation for Rand's abscence is that she went back to Starfleet for other position training, specifically transporter duty. Rest In Peace GLW. Your Grace and Beauty will not be forgotten.
So, with the Seska thing, she was a Cardassian infiltration agent. From DS9 we know that the Cardassians used agents like this to infiltrate the Bajoran resistance (who had basic computer tech and possibly access to transporters), and Seska was a Maquis (also had computers and transporters) infiltrator for at least a few years. If the Cardassians hadn't found a way to alter their agents (probably genetically) to hide from computer scans and transporters then the agents would be about as useful as a chocolate hammer. Therefore the fact the doctor had to examine her blood in detail to discover he real identify makes perfect sense, since agents would be useless if they were so easy to identify.
I'm not sure if this is a plot hole or if I'm just dumb, but why can't Soren fly a ship into the Nexus? The Nexus had no problem removing Kirk from the Enterprise and when the La'Kul was being rescued, their life signs were phasing in and out, indicating that the plan was working.
Re: 02:40, this was dealt with in the original script and the James Blish novelization. Nomad didn't completely erase her memory, just her ability to communicate, either by conventional speech or by "the illogic called music". So, they just had to retrain her to read and talk; everything else was still there. It's also possible that, the more she re-learned, the easier it got to re-adjust. Or Nomad, being imperfect itself, messed up the job.
Scotty's remark about Kirk was meant to be incredulity.... he is saying "tell me another one". Instead, explain how there are human borg in Unimatrix Zero who claim to have been Assimilated at Wolf 359 when that ship was destroyed.
7: Fallen Friends - I always liked the explanation one novelist used (I think it was Troi in a conversation with Spock post-Generations), namely "Scotty was expressing what he hoped was true." After all, they hadn't found a body after the incident with 1701-B (good thing, too - body bags probably weren't being delivered until next Tuesday).
The Chekov/Khan meeting is an easy one. I'm kinda surpised you didn't mention it. Who says Chekov wasn't there? He wasn't serving on the bridge but that doesn't mean he wasn't on the Enterprise. Chekov and Khan could have easily seen each other on the ship, while Khan was there, and given Khan's superior intellect, it wouldn't have taken much for him to memorise the crew. If I recall correctly, he did have access to some info on the ship, while in sickbay. Speculative? Yes. Probable? Also yes. :-)
What many people failed to realize about Generations was Kirk was later cloned and brought back to life by the Romulens. This was explained by Shatner in His books. Scotty again knew about this knew Kirk was still alive.
The plot hole about Garak never being charge with a crime could probably be said about Quark as well. In one episode Sisko and Kira even explicitly tell Odo to let Quark go--(the episode where Quark was collaborating with weapons dealers0.
EC Henry has a pretty compelling theory about Bajorans and Cardassians actually being the same species, so maybe it’s not so difficult to surgically alter a Cardassian and have them be indistinguishable without intense scrutiny.
They are the same species. "Cardassians are the same species as Bajorans the same way the Pah-wraiths are the same species as the Prophets. Dukat had explained that the Pah-wraiths were removed from the celestial temple because they wanted to take a more active role in the events on Bajor." Apr 30, 2019
I thought Ceska had her DNA rewritten to evade detection, not just cosmetic surgery, which is why she never regained her full Cardassian appearance, because the Kazon lacked the technology to fully restore her old DNA. Have I made that up? I felt sure they'd explained that in the show...
@@julianaylor4351 Unless we're both experiencing the Mandela Effect, I'm glad it's not just me who remembers this. It never struck me as weird that an experienced spy knew ways to evade detection.
In Generations the "D" could only be destroyed because the Klingons were reading die shild's frequency through Geordi's visor. But during a Borg encounter, they set the shilds to have a "fluctuation" frequency. So.. no static frequency that can be read.
Two other plot holes that stick out to me are the Enterprise E in the Dominion War and how Worf ended back up on the Enterprise after being an ambassador.
One I never thought about until Okuda put it on the TWOK DVD trivia text track: "We're not sure why a planet would explode. We're not sure why Krypton exploded, either!" :-D
2:57 Captain Terrell strikes the Captain Morgan pose! Cool entrance! (Although Black Widow's kid sister would just call him a poser.) One little mystery: how'd he manage that when the transport pad is flat? Did the operator give him a heads-up to put a leg up? Or is there an adjustment that can be made mid-beam?
Transporters have always been inconsistent. I swear I remember there were times they were told they had to be completely still but other times you can see them atleast looking around while materizing.
He was trying to save his planet from the founders. That’s at least mitigating circumstances. The founders wouldn’t hesitate to annihilate the people on Cardassian if necessary.
That's a ridiculously light punishment that even Odo points out. Garak should have been sent to a prison facility similar to the one Edington was sent to. Garak damn near starts a war and his punishment is basically six months in the town jail.
Exactly. Its not enough, but what i found even more strange is that they always trusted him again after such things (wich is also even adressed in the empok nor episode).
@@kristiankonig3195 in that episode it was not his fault he went nuts, he was affected by a mind altering drug .... mitigating circumstances .... if some one spiked your drink with LSD and you killed some one you would be able to prove it was not your fault
I can see Scotty still having hope that Kirk escapes the Nexus and once discovering his friend missing steals a ship as he did for Spock. When that doesn’t happen, he accepts it. LT. Rand - I heard her say she had a bad drug problem back in the day and that was why she was written out. It took a few years but she got clean and when the first movie came out they offered her a role in the lounge, looking out a window.
Yep...at the time he stole the Enterprise, it wasn't even considered to be a possibility to bring Spock back. The possibility didn't even happen until they were already on Genesis.
@@StormsparkPegasus Saavik should have mentioned the burial matter, UNLESS she thought that Spock's katra was lost in the accident (not having reviewed the recorder).
With regards to Seska. I liked her character actually. You make a great point. They forgot ST had already show us how detailed Federation computers/sensors are at determining life signs especially CARDIASSIAN life signs (shout out DS9). Then I don’t believe they ever explained why once she’s altered back to her original form that she’s a very atypical looking cardiassian.
Yup, Chekov wasn't in TOS Space Seed episode. lol. I caught this plot hole when I first saw Star Trek II in theater back in 1982. Didn't know the back story to it though. Interesting.
I thought that the timeline with Chekov was explained by his being onboard the Enterprise, but not yet stationed on the bridge. Supposedly, Khan scanned the personnel roster through the sickbay computer and later recognized him. Now I'm not sure about anything. My mind is going, It's melting, melting from all these plot holes.
Just not sure if anyone was aware in the one episode where Worf was fighting with the Garak that there is a blooper in the episode. If you pause this video at exactly 10:52 and look into the tube door behind Worf you will see a work bench and various other stage stuff laying about behind the set lol
You guys misunderstood the search for Spock plot. They were never returning to genesis to get spocks live body. And garek did get prison time for attacking worf and trying to kill the founders.
I always thought there was a huge error in Star Trek: Voyager. They were trying to get home as fast as possible, yet the Kazon and even Seska was able to come across them. This should have been nearly impossible. Sure Voyager would delay travel for some exploration, but they also traversed dangers and spent much time going as fast as possible. This was my biggest issue with the series.
Good comment. Season 1 was all spent in the same system / space'ish area looking for a way home. Some leftover tech from the care taker or another secret array some where. In my opinion they were not ready to commit to a 70 year trip until well in to season 2.
The thing with Garak is he was very useful. Having him locked up served no use for him. The phrase - keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, is best term to use when it comes Garak.
I mean, if you're gonna call out Garak for commandeering the Defiant, we may as well call out all the times crew members commandeered the Enterprise-D. Data alone did it more than once. Maybe at this point the official Starfleet policy is "Eh, it happens."
I thought one was how in the TNG, in one episode, Picard buys a round for everyone in 10-forward... but I thought no one used currency like that anymore.
THANK YOU! I have complained about the error between generations and stng, specifically Scotty stating that 'Jim' had sent the enterprise to rescue him. THANK YOU!
Sorry but the Chekov thing is silly. It isn't like Chekov wasn't on the ship. His character did not get screen time but it isn't like he shot himself out an airlock just to pop back in for the next episode.
I was at a convention years ago and somebody asked Walter Koenig about this plot hole and he said with a glimmer in his eye that "Checkov was on the Enterprise during the episode but he was at a different station on the ship where he encountered Kahn offscreen.."
But...
Elim Garak: "My dear Doctor, they're all true."
Dr. Julian Bashir: "Even the lies?"
Elim Garak: "Especially the lies."
Perhaps it's why we trekkies tend to ignore them (plot holes) :o)
my fave Garak moment
But wasn't Bashir also a spy?
@@snapdragon9300 that depends on how you look at it. Did that agency even exist at that point...? they were supposed to leave it up to the viewer, but the Discovery tv show fucked that up
Always hide a lie in side the truth and a truth inside a lie.
Khan had met Chekov offscreen, no problem there. The real mega plot hole in TWOK is Chekov's crew inability to count up to 6 (planets in the system).
5! CA 6 blew up, not long after they were marooned there!
That's the problem, @@DMSProduktions. You'd kinda think the Reliant would skip the planet Khan was on, being planet V, even if they forgot he was there. They'd go on looking for planet VI and find naught but its debris.
You'd think they'd notice a planet was missing
@@mwallacejam Precisely.
No, the proper explanation is that TWoK actually takes place in the Kelvin Timeline ! ! !
BA DUM TSSS!!! :-D :-P
In TWoK, Koenig once said that his character was on the Enterprise, but below decks, and held up the bathroom while Khan really needed to go.
I hate to be in that bathroom when Khan's genetically enhanced bladder and bowels needs to be emptied.
@@Kara_Kay_Eschel From Hell's kitchen, I crap at thee...
I was at a convention when Walter Koenig was asked this. He told this hilarious story that he was below decks, having a serious bowel movement. Khan really had to go and was banging on the door. When Chekov finally came out , Khan said he would always remember his face
@@szr8 LOL
But youuuuuuu....(barely concealed loathing) I never forget a faaaace...
I love the fact Garak was given free reign. Im pretty sure Sisko knew who he was dealing with and allowed the relationships to develop for trust reasons. In the end Garak proves himself to be for the greater good. Favorite character in ST.
Rand also shown up in The search for Spock. as " Woman in space dock" as the credits state, who stares at the Enterprise drifting by the window..
He's my favourite TV character, period.
@@johnbockelie3899 And as Commander Janice Rand in The Voyage Home.
Not "reign" but "rein."
I loved the WWII analogy with these races. The Bjorans were the Jews and the Cardacians were the Nazis. Garack was a "Nazi" war criminal who later did his best to atone for his crimes against humanoidity. Or so he wants people to think.
The Uhura problem can be resolved by having her memories not really wiped out but just suppressed, so the education brings back her own memories/personality.
That is what I said in my video on the subject. I even explain why it did not reach her early memories.
Or McCoy found a way to reverse it between episodes when he had more time to study it.
Hopefully because if not it basically means the real Uhura is essentially dead
For Seska, in the episode where she's revealed, she has a surface level backstory about getting a blood transfusion from a Cardassian, and they only saw through it after results came back from a detailed analysis. Personally, I always thought it was to another hint towards Bajoran/Cardassian shared ancestry - like how easily Dukat has kids with Bajorans, and how the ancient solar sail craft end up in the Cardassian solar system.
Came here to post something along these lines :D
Well there's a fan theory that cardassians are related to the bajorans
I think they also explain it away that she was dodging the medical exam
She was such a forgettable character I never noticed
@@lancecampbell4323 don't even enjoy the episode where she sets the booby trap that trapped Tom and Tuvok on the holodeck with her hologram? That's pretty memorable
9:45 "Par for the course" as EMH struts out with golf clubs. We see you, Sean!
Love the "Possible Cardassian lifesigns detected. Followup Yes/NO" ...glad to see that in the future we haven't surpassed 1980's video game questions... ;)
Star Trek among us? “Seska is sus.”
"Plot hole detected. Abort / Retry / Ignore?"
*I*
"1 plot hole(s) ignored. Have a nice day Captain."
Scotty knows that 'death' isn't always final in this universe, especially since 1) it happened to him and 2) Kirk's body was never found. Now, how many people does he think would have had the pull to get an Enterprise back into service? It might have been more wishful thinking than actually believing Kirk was still alive.
Bigger question is why didn't McCoy or Spock go looking for him? We definitely know they lived long enough to.
I just think he was senile after spending 80 years stuck in a pattern buffer.
I've always assumed that for Scotty the words "Enterprise" and "Kirk" were synonymous anyway. Not fully awake and thinking quickly about other stuff it's just what he would have immediately thought.
I find it more questionable how no one knew ther was a bloody Dicon Sphere! It obviously was on route to the colony Scotty wantet to retire too! So how did no one notice it fore over 80 years?!
@@cassidystarchild7907 or maybe before that 🤷♂️
@@neptuneplaneptune3367 Dyson sphere
The Uhura memory issue is dealt with in Christoper L. Bennett's new book Living Memory.
The usual fan theory for why Scotty doesn't remember Kirk's death is that he is still loopy from being stuck in the transporter for 70 odd years.
The matter is also addressed later in the episode. Nomad didn't so much wipe her memories as access them. This caused her to be unable to access them, though they were still there. Please re-watch the episode, it's a pretty good one!
@@Foxxtronix Yeah, it was like a temporary amnesia.......yup, works for me!
Goody for Christopher L. Bennett. I don’t care. This is a TV show, we shouldn’t need a reading assignment (55 years later) to help the story fit together. Neither should we need to go hunting between the lines to fill plot holes, but in this case I think we can: fluence in Swahili came back to her first and readily, perhaps hinting that Nomad’s ‘memory wipe’ explanation was an oversimplification. Everything was still in her pretty head, it had been driven from her consciousness. An intense refresher quickly restored knowledge and memories.
@@yearfifty That is essentially what Dr. McCoy says later in the episode. I would recommend everyone re-watch it. It's a good episode.
Unless she was physically damaged the 24th century must have advanced in education and treatment. Relearning skills is much easier than learning them initially.
Actually, Garak spent six months in prison for trying to hijack the Defiant. They even mention it when he comes back.
He also deliberately set on fire his tailor shop.. and could have burnt down DS9 or a large part of it in the process.... Yet another punishment hole.
That's a felony!!!!! As well as a crime against the Federation (try stealing a police car or fire truck)....
@@FeedScrnactually 🤓🤓🤓 he blow up his shop with explosives which is arguably worse
@@terraprime4457 - I would say that deliberately blowing up your own shop on an enclosed space station is a sign of mental illness. They should have dealt with that better, IMO.
My headcanon for the "Relics" plot hole is simply that Scotty had just spent however many years in a stasis loop and he was probably more than a little disoriented upon his rescue.
Thats everyone's headcanon :P
Yeah, well.
Scotty could have been thinking that when Kirk "died" he could have came back...some how.
That, or Romulan ale
Didn't someone in the episode (Data?) state that the pattern was slightly degraded due to how long the loop had been going?
I just figured Chekov was with the "lower decks" group and Khan memorized the ships manifest
That's the way the novelization handled it.
I made a video that talks about this in detail. When Checkov likly came aboard, and where he might have met Khan.
No, the proper explanation is that TWoK actually takes place in the Kelvin Timeline ! ! !
BA DUM TSSS!!! :-D :-P
Agree with this
Basically. He graduated the Academy and was stationed on the Enterprise in early 2267. Space Seed happens in 2267 so he was more likely then not on the ship. It's very probably that Khan had gone over the ships roster before attempting to take it over and saw Chekov in it. It's also possible he ran into him in the dinning facilities or something.
Just because Checkov wasn't on the bridge during the first season doesn't mean that he wasn't on the ship. There were 400+ crew members on the Enterprise. Kahn could have encountered him somewhere on the ship other than the bridge.
During his first episodes there are some lines about him being green, suggesting he's a new officer. But he might've interned on the Enterprise before his commission.
@@Qq-xs1fz Thanks for adding to my suggestion. You're correct, he could have received a promotion by the second season and became a bridge officer.
@@Qq-xs1fz In my video I cover the Green comment
No, the proper explanation is that TWoK actually takes place in the Kelvin Timeline ! ! !
BA DUM TSSS!!! :-D :-P
@@subraxas Nothing proper takes place in the Kelvin Timeline.
Garak's hole card was Odo.
Odo 'knew' keeping Garak around would be beneficial.
As far as number 4 goes I always assumed, as I'm sure many others did, that the Genisus device revived Spock's body as it revived the planet itself
That's what everyone assumed. If it can teraform a planet, then it could easily reform a body if the DNA was present.
With Star Trek III, Sarek does mention that they need Spock's body as well as his katra to be laid to rest. I think the bigger plot hole is - why wouldn't Starfleet know that all Vulcans should be interred in this way?
Could be filed under the same reason why something so important to Vulcan biology and psychology as Pon Farr was a big secret to Starfleet during the TOS era: Vulcan are just really sensitive about their more...illogical...cultural elements.
Also why didn't savek contact starfleet and request for them to send Spock's body???
And... How could Savek know about the genesis planet prior to meeting Kirk if starfleet considered it classified information??
Spock's body was so massively irradiated that they had to "bury him at sea".
@@generalilbis Or it's something relatively new? The whole Vulcan Reformation that Archer helped to start might have involved a new focus on spirituality that was lost for centuries.
Very good point, especially considering it was the Vulcans who first made contact with us after the Warp Program success. There is no way we would not know something as simple as their burial practices.
He met Chekov in a corridor. He bumped into Khan,
Chekov “Watch where you are going!”
Khan “I never forget a face mr?…”
Chekov “My name is Chekov, remember it!”
😂😂😂
When Khan was going through the ship's technical manuals during his time in the sick bay (Space Seed), he also went over ship's personnel files and found Chekov's file/photo and like everything else he learned, committed it to memory...plot hole filled.
I cant believe they left out "The Next Phase" where La Forge and Ro are able to walk through walls...but don't fall through the floor. That's bothered me since I was a kid.
That's just a classic Sci-fi trope!
Not to mention the fact how did they breath, air being physical particles, but they kill the Romulan by pushing him thru the bulkhead into space?????????
@Rich O you stole my intended comment.
Yeah, that bothered me.
They don't fall through the floor because of the effects of the gravity plating.
Remember…Kirk went back to retrieve Spock’s body. At one point he even asks Saavik if the Vulcan male she refers to is alive. To which she replies that he is but he is not himself…that he is suffering from rapid aging just like the planet. Therefore, no message to Starfleet was necessary! Kirk was going to bring Spock’s body back to Vulcan along with Spock’s Katra. When Sarak tells Kirk that he must bring them both to Vulcan…he was referring to McCoy and Spock’s Katra. Kirk probably took it literally and went to retrieve Spock’s body! Only AFTER did everyone discover that Spock was in fact alive…did they suggest a refusion!
I watched the film the other day and it really stuck out to me "...Was Kirk listening properly? Sarek only wanted the Katra. He wasn't concerned with the body!". But then again, Sarek agrees that bringing them "both" to Vulcan will be difficult but he knows Kirk "will find a way" - surely, that way simply being to shove McCoy onto the next space-bus to Vulcan, just like Sarek? So logically speaking, the scene doesn't play out clearly, but I think by then the audience would be expect to already know that Saavik and David are about to find Spock alive in some form or another.
Garak also got 6 months in a holding cell for the crime.
I think that's the going rate for insurrection at the moment
He got to serve a year or something like that, but got released even earlier (those 6 months or so), because Sisko wanted to use him on some mission.
That was not a plot hole AT ALL and they placed it as number one on their list. That, itself, is a "plot hole". :-D
@@PaulSmith-fi1vg Lol, it's funny cause it's true.
@@PaulSmith-fi1vg Wow! Way to get a laugh AND lash out at the same time!
I think Scotty never really believed that Kirk was dead and so, when he heard that the Enterprise had rescued him, his first thought was that it must be Kirk.
He was so in shock after kirk's death that he had a mental breakdown and made believed Kirk was still alive to deal with his mourning.
@@popmonika no mental break needed since he had come back from death before, and so had kirk. hell, they had witnessed a brainless spock walking around.
I like that as a tie up in continuity. It is a good call.
I just figured Scotty was a little senile.
The attack on Khitomer that killed Worf's parents was a second battle at Khitomer. You can't infer anything about the first battle.
your right
@@Tinrs80 *you're
@@RichO1701e hmm yep u 💅 💯
Too bad Zordon didn't help.
Scotty not remembering Kirk died could very well be expained with him being so long inside the transporter matrix resulting in memory loss. Iirc his pattern wasn't at 100% at the time anymore.
So you figure he's just not all there? ;-P
Or just coming out he was disorented and he heard Enterprise and his brain just immediately thought Kirk.
@@GrimmShadowsII This is the answer I chose to believe.
Alzheimer's
He also drinks a LOT
Any character that Andrew Robinson plays becomes legendary...including Garek.
Checkoff was Garrick????
Scorpio in Clint Eastwood's 'Dirty Harry'.
@@garyrobbins283 Yeah! Another great character...
@@adamlewellen5081 Walter Koenig played Chekov in TOS.
sweet Kirsty.. come to Daddy..
with Chekov, i always just assumed he was a crewman at that stage and kahn saw him on the ship.... Unless when they introduced him, they explicitly said he just joined the ship...... I dont know TOS that well D:
I don't recall an introduction. He was just there on the bridge, I think.
Yeah, he was probably just a Lower Decker when he encountered Khan, then got promoted to bridge crew sometime after.
His first apperance he said he is not green in a defensive way, but nothing to say he was new. I made a video where I talk about when he likly joined the ship, and where he might have been posted to encounter Khan.
@@TheStarTrekApologist He was in the band in the Rec Room.
he must have been their when khan came aboard they were on a five year mission where where they getting new people
I met Andrew Robinson, and Alexander Siddig at a Trek convention in Marietta GA back around 2000. Andrew and Alexander were super nice and kind and everything you could hope for. Especially Andrew. All good wishes!
There is the possibility that in the episode “Space Seed” there is the possibility that Chekov was a junior non-bridge officer at the time. As for why Khan was so hostile towards Chekov perhaps Chekov kept Khan waiting too long for the bathroom.
I always chose to believe this to fill the plot hole.
I've just commented the same thing....except for the bathroom bit.
Literally Walter Koenig's explanation at conventions for what happened.
@@TheAbstruseOne Which makes it official, maybe?
Sounds like an episode idea for Lower Decks: The Previous Generation
Didn't think Spock's body was a plothole, just thought Sarek wanted his sons body back for whatever their burial ritual was. As for Spock's katra I thought sarek would have transferred it to a trained vulcan. But as kirk brought back a rejuvenated Spock's body and his katra, sarek sort to reunite the two.
The big question is why he didn't go directly to starfleet and request Spock's body...
Also, how would (prior to speaking to Kirk) would he have known about the genesis planet if starfleet considered it classified information.
He is in the loop on classified information because he is an ambassador to Earth and his son's body was left on said "planet forbidden" classified planet.
The Doctor tried to examine Seska. He said she keeps missing her appointments and making excuses
On 6, more just Scotty's natural reaction when he hasn't thought about it then a plot hole.
On 10, Garak did get a jail sentence for that, Warf even comments on it been overly lenient
"Elim Garak is easily one of the best characters in all of Star Trek." Definitely agree.
He was definitely one of the most layered characters.
1:43 - He's having fun. Many seems to forgot that the storyline for V'ger in STMP was a remake from an episode called The Changeling from TOS.
I'd never considered that about Seska. One thing that nagged me about Voyager when I was watching is how the aliens who were following Voyager for the first few seasons keep pace with Janeway when they considered a replicator "exotic technology"?
You can be advanced in some areas and deficient in others
I’m surprised you didn’t mention that the tilm makers claim that Chekov simply wasn’t assigned to the bridge yet and had made Khan wait to use the bathroom. 😆
I loved Garek; he was the ultimate survivor. He always had the best scene stealing lines on screen.
In the TOS episode “That Which Survives” the Enterprise was flung clear across the galaxy, Voyager-style, and made it back within HOURS, in time to save the landing party, while achieving warp 14.9.
In answer to the question on the video thumbnail . The guy looks a lot like Alfred Bester from Babylon 5?
They are played by the same actor
In TWOK, when the Enterprise is heading to Regula 1, while travelling at Warp 5, Spock states that they are 12 hours and 43 minutes from Regula, after which they view the Genesis file.
Let's assume it takes an hour, to view the recording and discuss it. That would put them at 11 hours and 43 minutes away, when Khan attacks them.
After the battle, the Enterprise limps to Regula, on impulse power, which would take weeks, if not months.
However, on arrival, Bones states rigor hasn't set into the bodies, which it undoubtedly would've done, after such a long time.
Movie/tv time never makes sense :)
The entire Seska thing could have been avoided if only Voyager had a Tendi.
Had a *what?* (scratches head in puzzlement)
Tendi is a character on the cartoon star trek show called LOWER DECKS.
She's an engineer type.
Lol
@@PhillipLemmon Dammit phil she's a Doctor, not an engineer!
@@bradfordhatch5085 Lower Decks character who was recently assigned to hunt down all the crew members aboard who had been dodging their physicals.
@@b.s.864 Seen only Season 1 so far; and that only because I bought the DVD. Don't have the channel LD comes on so I'll have to wait until Season 2 also comes out on DVD. Love that show though. :-)
Khan was reading the tech manuals in sickbay, since he was plotting to take the ship he most likely reviewed the ships personnel. Not a plot hole so much as an incomplete story. Also, Although Chekov does not appear in "Space Seed", "Catspaw"-with the character-has an earlier stardate.
Came to say the same. When the episodes are ordered by Stardate rather than the order they aired, it shows Chekhov was aboard prior to Space Seed. Just means we didn't seem him on screen in the episode, not that he wasn't aboard (where Khan could have encountered him).
Stardates do not matter I made a video on a paerial solution for the Stardate problem. I conclude the best order is Production order.
@@TheStarTrekApologist Even if you discount stardates and stick to production order, it's still the most probable reason for them knowing each other. Although, you didn't dispute that bit. :-)
Nice save.
:D
@@Elwaves2925 I agree with the concept but the correct order gives a clue as to where he came aboard. It is all in my video.
I am so glad I am stuck in a past where I don’t know anything about what you are speaking when it comes to Data.
"Just Ask Captain Janeway" That made me laugh.
Just ask GI Jane.
Pretty sure Chekov was on the crew when Khan was aboard the Enterprise (see Catspaw) and since Khan read through most, if not all, the tech manuals and crew manifest, he would still recognize Chekov.
No, the proper explanation is that TWoK actually takes place in the Kelvin Timeline ! ! !
BA DUM TSSS!!! :-D :-P
Plot hole: The borg have effective time travel technology, but only ever used it once. This makes them invulnerable to defeat and can simply undo any mistakes they might make and we saw that they can change history to their benefit. Also, the one time they use it they go back to to stop first contact, and, you know, which is irrelevant when you have time travel, but Seven said the borg were present for that. How could she have known when the attempt to change history obviously failed and the cube was destroyed and the sphere was destroyed moments later in the past? The answer is obvious, they just wanted to mention the movie but it makes no sense.
"You think in such three-dimensional terms. How small you've become." -Borg Queen
It's even worse than that. In _Timeless_ it's established that the Borg have devices in their brains that let them communicate across time. But somehow Harry Kim is the only one who's ever used it.
I think you missed one major issue here. When Sarak comes to see Kirk Kirk he basically says bring the katra and spcks body to mount saleya only there they will both find peace. he doesn't necessarily know spocks body is alive. it sounds to me like he simply wanted a proper burial, katra and all. it was only after the discovery on Genesis that Sarak decided to commit to the refusion.
We don't know Chekov wasn't there. He could have easily been assigned to somewhere on the Enterprise other then the Bridge. Kahn could have run into Chekov somewhere other then the Bridge.
My head canon was that Chekov was sick during that time and while out and about somewhere in the ship, bumped into Khan and threw up all over the guy, which would explain why Khan did not forget Chekov's face.
Why don't you know if he was or wasnt there? Are you not really a trek fan and only accept info from TH-camr lol
We know he was there, didn't anybody bother finding out what the bloody star dates were for both occasions?
Chekov joined sometime before 3018.2 and Khan showed up in 3142.8
Since 3018.2 comes before 3142.8. we know for sure he was there the whole time. It was his first commission, he wasn't getting BRIDGE OFFICER treatment right away and be certainly wasn't going AWOL
@@jamesmeppler6375 Wow aren't you infantile with the insults. Maybe when you grow up you can make your point without being condescending....
Furthermore, maybe Chekov was on leave, maybe he was on temporary assignment, you actually don't know.
Good list.
You’re off on #4. - they were just looking for Spocks body. - it was an accident finding the Klingons etc.
-and they explained seska pretty well.
Re #6: In one episode there is a bit where Spock addresses a male crew member as Rand. He says "Rand, Take over here!" referring to Sulu's usual console. I have often wondered if that was supposed to be her. She appears later in the episode. And from what I have heard, there were stories that just before she quit, she was showing up late on shooting days. So its possible the script said "Rand" and spock played it as written.
Entertaining.
I now know how long I've been away from StarTrek. I think the most recent character you mentioned that I knew was Khan.
Oy! You done goofed, sir! You said Kirk had no reason to go find Spock’s body on Genesis because he didn’t know his body had resurrected, but he did have a reason to. Sarek told him to bring “them both”, McCoy AND Spock, to Mt. Seleya.
Not to mention the fact that Saavik flat out tells Kirk that Spock is alive. Did they actually watch the movie, or just read a synopsis?
Well yes she does but not before he goes to Genesis. Only once he’s there.
I think that Scotty thinking that Kirk had come to rescue him can be attributed to momentary confusion and disorientation given that the man just been rematerialized after being in a transporter buffer for several decades.
About Chekov - if you watch the DVD special features, Walter Koenig says that Chekov was in the loo when Khan needed to use it. When Chekov came out, Khan said "I never forget a face...". Problem solved!
No, the proper explanation is that TWoK actually takes place in the Kelvin Timeline ! ! !
BA DUM TSSS!!! :-D :-P
#8: It is likely that Chekov was aboard the Enterprise in a lower decks role when Khan took over the ship. He just didn't get promoted to Navigator until later. So he would have seen Khan and might even have interacted with him in some minor way.
I always thought that too.
Its not only likely, its a certainty that he was aboard the enterprise
Chekov first joined the enterprise sometime before 3018.2 and Khan showed up in 3142.8
Since 3018.2 comes before 3142.8. we know for sure he was there the whole time.
Hmm I wonder how many times I am about to read people giving the same exact answer to the Chekhov/Khan thing…
Walter Koenig theorized that Chekov was a low ranking officer on the Enterprise during Space Seed who once made Khan wait a long time to use the bathroom, and that's why he remembered him.
Right, I remember that. And right when Chekov emerges Kahn told him “I never forget a face!”
Just look up the star dates...that alone should END any question about chekov being on board...Khan memorized everything, he saw EVERY person's picture and information if not seeing him in passing, there's plenty of ways Khan knows this.
Does no one really like star trek enough to remember how easy it is to check this stuff? That's why things REMAINING canon is so important
On the Kotra point. Kirk didn't know Spock was alive until Savek told him just before David died. Remember that it was a shock to learn that he was alive. Kirk went back to retrieve Spock's body but found out what the Klingons were doing and that they were massively unprepared. Plus they point this out at the end on Vulcan.
I still don’t understand how Picard’s end for Data was good. It was a false restart and the B-4 still out there he could still be resurrected so it wasn’t a true end either.
but data is b4 data was killed when he used his phaser to destroy the enemy ship.
Data trully died on board the Scimitar, they used B-4 to restore him, so B-4 isn't out there somewhere, he is "Picard's" Data.
And Brent Spinner is done playing Data for eternity, he's also growing old, de-aging him wouldn't work infinitely, so they made a perfect ending for his character in Picard.
In universe explanation for Rand's abscence is that she went back to Starfleet for other position training, specifically transporter duty.
Rest In Peace GLW. Your Grace and Beauty will not be forgotten.
So, with the Seska thing, she was a Cardassian infiltration agent. From DS9 we know that the Cardassians used agents like this to infiltrate the Bajoran resistance (who had basic computer tech and possibly access to transporters), and Seska was a Maquis (also had computers and transporters) infiltrator for at least a few years. If the Cardassians hadn't found a way to alter their agents (probably genetically) to hide from computer scans and transporters then the agents would be about as useful as a chocolate hammer. Therefore the fact the doctor had to examine her blood in detail to discover he real identify makes perfect sense, since agents would be useless if they were so easy to identify.
so obviously not genetically altered otherwise her blood would indicate her has Bajoran, not Cardassian. I think the disguise was literally skin-deep.
A chocolate hammer? What a great simile!
I worked for years in Hobby retail ,I find it funny the cameras are made from 2 channel hand sets LOL
I'm not sure if this is a plot hole or if I'm just dumb, but why can't Soren fly a ship into the Nexus?
The Nexus had no problem removing Kirk from the Enterprise and when the La'Kul was being rescued, their life signs were phasing in and out, indicating that the plan was working.
Flying a ship into the Nexus destroyed the ship. The only way was to let the Nexus come to you on a planet. Soren made that clear.
@@rojoeditor or just float in front of it with a spacesuit?
Re: 02:40, this was dealt with in the original script and the James Blish novelization. Nomad didn't completely erase her memory, just her ability to communicate, either by conventional speech or by "the illogic called music". So, they just had to retrain her to read and talk; everything else was still there. It's also possible that, the more she re-learned, the easier it got to re-adjust. Or Nomad, being imperfect itself, messed up the job.
Scotty's remark about Kirk was meant to be incredulity.... he is saying "tell me another one". Instead, explain how there are human borg in Unimatrix Zero who claim to have been Assimilated at Wolf 359 when that ship was destroyed.
Doesn’t the Borg transwarp network explain how they could travel there? If that’s what your asking.
7: Fallen Friends - I always liked the explanation one novelist used (I think it was Troi in a conversation with Spock post-Generations), namely "Scotty was expressing what he hoped was true." After all, they hadn't found a body after the incident with 1701-B (good thing, too - body bags probably weren't being delivered until next Tuesday).
underrated joke...well done.
so cool 😂🤣👍
The Chekov/Khan meeting is an easy one. I'm kinda surpised you didn't mention it. Who says Chekov wasn't there? He wasn't serving on the bridge but that doesn't mean he wasn't on the Enterprise. Chekov and Khan could have easily seen each other on the ship, while Khan was there, and given Khan's superior intellect, it wouldn't have taken much for him to memorise the crew. If I recall correctly, he did have access to some info on the ship, while in sickbay. Speculative? Yes. Probable? Also yes. :-)
The novelization said Khan scanned the personnel manifest. Khan had a photographic memory.
@@DelCurtis66 "To Reign in Hell" says that Checkov was in the landing party that went down to the planet with Khan and his cohorts.
Also why didn't they know a planet was missing when they met Kahn?
What many people failed to realize about Generations was Kirk was later cloned and brought back to life by the Romulens. This was explained by Shatner in His books. Scotty again knew about this knew Kirk was still alive.
The plot hole about Garak never being charge with a crime could probably be said about Quark as well. In one episode Sisko and Kira even explicitly tell Odo to let Quark go--(the episode where Quark was collaborating with weapons dealers0.
EC Henry has a pretty compelling theory about Bajorans and Cardassians actually being the same species, so maybe it’s not so difficult to surgically alter a Cardassian and have them be indistinguishable without intense scrutiny.
They are the same species.
"Cardassians are the same species as Bajorans the same way the Pah-wraiths are the same species as the Prophets. Dukat had explained that the Pah-wraiths were removed from the celestial temple because they wanted to take a more active role in the events on Bajor." Apr 30, 2019
I thought Ceska had her DNA rewritten to evade detection, not just cosmetic surgery, which is why she never regained her full Cardassian appearance, because the Kazon lacked the technology to fully restore her old DNA. Have I made that up? I felt sure they'd explained that in the show...
She did say in one episode that she wanted to fully restore her original DNA.
@@julianaylor4351 Unless we're both experiencing the Mandela Effect, I'm glad it's not just me who remembers this. It never struck me as weird that an experienced spy knew ways to evade detection.
In Generations the "D" could only be destroyed because the Klingons were reading die shild's frequency through Geordi's visor. But during a Borg encounter, they set the shilds to have a "fluctuation" frequency. So.. no static frequency that can be read.
My question about Garak is: why does DS9 even need a tailor? Shouldn't the replicators make anything you want in any size?
Two other plot holes that stick out to me are the Enterprise E in the Dominion War and how Worf ended back up on the Enterprise after being an ambassador.
One I never thought about until Okuda put it on the TWOK DVD trivia text track:
"We're not sure why a planet would explode. We're not sure why Krypton exploded, either!" :-D
Four films later, Praxis go boom
@@joermnyc
Moons are different to planets. :-D :-D
@@joermnyc Praxis had a non-natural reason.
2:57 Captain Terrell strikes the Captain Morgan pose! Cool entrance! (Although Black Widow's kid sister would just call him a poser.) One little mystery: how'd he manage that when the transport pad is flat? Did the operator give him a heads-up to put a leg up? Or is there an adjustment that can be made mid-beam?
Transporters have always been inconsistent. I swear I remember there were times they were told they had to be completely still but other times you can see them atleast looking around while materizing.
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He was trying to save his planet from the founders. That’s at least mitigating circumstances. The founders wouldn’t hesitate to annihilate the people on Cardassian if necessary.
How did the Enterprise E get to the battle in First Contact so fast?
Garak got 6 months in a holding cell for that incident
That's a ridiculously light punishment that even Odo points out. Garak should have been sent to a prison facility similar to the one Edington was sent to. Garak damn near starts a war and his punishment is basically six months in the town jail.
@@JaredLS10 Cassidy Yates got a year for smuggling band-aids. LOL!
Exactly. Its not enough, but what i found even more strange is that they always trusted him again after such things (wich is also even adressed in the empok nor episode).
@@kristiankonig3195 in that episode it was not his fault he went nuts, he was affected by a mind altering drug .... mitigating circumstances .... if some one spiked your drink with LSD and you killed some one you would be able to prove it was not your fault
@@TheSLUser I m just saying, that early in that episode Grak even asks, why everybody trusts him latly ...
Yep. Chekov is literally not a plot hole at all. We didn’t see Khan interact with 400 other crew members either.
I can see Scotty still having hope that Kirk escapes the Nexus and once discovering his friend missing steals a ship as he did for Spock. When that doesn’t happen, he accepts it.
LT. Rand
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I heard her say she had a bad drug problem back in the day and that was why she was written out.
It took a few years but she got clean and when the first movie came out they offered her a role in the lounge, looking out a window.
I think that problem stemmed though from the abuse during her time on Trek.
@@MrMikellsof88 - not sure, she doesn’t say why she started or what the trigger was.
I just noticed that building at Khitomer looks a lot like the Command Center on "Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers".
Kirk wasn’t trying to bring Spock back to life. He was trying to bring his friends remains back to his home for a proper burial.
Yep...at the time he stole the Enterprise, it wasn't even considered to be a possibility to bring Spock back. The possibility didn't even happen until they were already on Genesis.
Which begs the question why he hadn't thought about possible Vulcan burial rituals before he jettisoned the coffin into space.
@@Qq-xs1fz That's true, that removes ST3's plot hole, but it raises an almost worse one in ST2.
@@StormsparkPegasus Saavik should have mentioned the burial matter, UNLESS she thought that Spock's katra was lost in the accident (not having reviewed the recorder).
@@mikejankowski6321 the stasis field in the morgue was broken during Kahn’s attack and he would have stunk up the place before they got to Vulcan?
With regards to Seska. I liked her character actually. You make a great point. They forgot ST had already show us how detailed Federation computers/sensors are at determining life signs especially CARDIASSIAN life signs (shout out DS9). Then I don’t believe they ever explained why once she’s altered back to her original form that she’s a very atypical looking cardiassian.
Probably due to the fact she had been altered, in order to be a spy, in the first place.
Yup, Chekov wasn't in TOS Space Seed episode. lol. I caught this plot hole when I first saw Star Trek II in theater back in 1982. Didn't know the back story to it though. Interesting.
This isn't a plot hole but ever notice that Camp Khitomer is the Power Rangers command center with a few additions?
And also the Borg HQ with Lore and Hugh in the 2 parter, Descent
I thought that the timeline with Chekov was explained by his being onboard the Enterprise, but not yet stationed on the bridge. Supposedly, Khan scanned the personnel roster through the sickbay computer and later recognized him. Now I'm not sure about anything. My mind is going, It's melting, melting from all these plot holes.
No, the proper explanation is that TWoK actually takes place in the Kelvin Timeline ! ! !
BA DUM TSSS!!! :-D :-P
It is, seen the files if not seeing him directly in passing. There really isn't a hole here
Just not sure if anyone was aware in the one episode where Worf was fighting with the Garak that there is a blooper in the episode. If you pause this video at exactly 10:52 and look into the tube door behind Worf you will see a work bench and various other stage stuff laying about behind the set lol
Good catch!
You guys misunderstood the search for Spock plot. They were never returning to genesis to get spocks live body. And garek did get prison time for attacking worf and trying to kill the founders.
I always thought there was a huge error in Star Trek: Voyager. They were trying to get home as fast as possible, yet the Kazon and even Seska was able to come across them. This should have been nearly impossible. Sure Voyager would delay travel for some exploration, but they also traversed dangers and spent much time going as fast as possible. This was my biggest issue with the series.
Good comment. Season 1 was all spent in the same system / space'ish area looking for a way home. Some leftover tech from the care taker or another secret array some where. In my opinion they were not ready to commit to a 70 year trip until well in to season 2.
Yes. The biggest plot hole with Voyager. They should've been out of the Kazons' influence within a few days.
The thing with Garak is he was very useful. Having him locked up served no use for him. The phrase - keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, is best term to use when it comes Garak.
He was in a prison. The people who made this list just did not watch the show properly.
@@subraxas Yes he was imprisoned on Deep Space 9 for six months. (DS9: "Broken Link")
Really interesting video, thanks 👍🏻 Love Garek
I mean, if you're gonna call out Garak for commandeering the Defiant, we may as well call out all the times crew members commandeered the Enterprise-D. Data alone did it more than once. Maybe at this point the official Starfleet policy is "Eh, it happens."
I thought one was how in the TNG, in one episode, Picard buys a round for everyone in 10-forward... but I thought no one used currency like that anymore.
It could be rationing credits used issued to each individual, so the Captain would just go without those niceties for a while.
THANK YOU! I have complained about the error between generations and stng, specifically Scotty stating that 'Jim' had sent the enterprise to rescue him. THANK YOU!
Thank you Sean. Nice list and video.
Sorry but the Chekov thing is silly. It isn't like Chekov wasn't on the ship. His character did not get screen time but it isn't like he shot himself out an airlock just to pop back in for the next episode.
His character didn't get screen time in that entire season, as he wasn't brought on until season 2.
I was at a convention years ago and somebody asked Walter Koenig about this plot hole and he said with a glimmer in his eye that "Checkov was on the Enterprise during the episode but he was at a different station on the ship where he encountered Kahn offscreen.."
A superb discussion, I reckon. Thanks for putting this on here.