@@linkofvev I've been toying with ways to make Kauyon work, and on a Commander with Precision of the Hunter, all the extra to-hit rolls makes for a lot of quite powerful exploding shots with the Thermoneutronic Projector.
Ehhh….it replace the flamer so it just replaces the profile not the flamer special rule…it doesnt need to specify that it autohits coz its a flamer replacer
So give them 1 burst cannon and 1 flamer, and they are the same points as an aggressor. The fight a lot worse but then aggressors rarely make combat. But they can move double the distance, fly, have an extra wound, shoot in combat, the support system you choose, and free deepstrike. You'd also have statistically better shooting with the s5 on burst cannon and d6+2 on the flamer.
I use them in a 6 model squad with burst cannon fusion rifle and plasma rifle with An ethereal with drone for -1 to hit and a 5+fnp with esemplar of montka to make them reroll to wound and shadowsun for rerolling to hit
Forgive me for a newbie question (I’m getting back into 40k since years), but I’ve seen about the place people putting a big emphasis on running things in 6 model squads, what’s the reason behind that? ObSec?
@@GravJoeGaming they don't have obsec. I run them in 6 model unit because most of the buffs characters give can affect only one unit. By Making bigger units you can get the best effect. For example in my opinion one unit of six is better than two of three because you can have 6 models with fnp and you can reroll all hitrolls and wound rolls. When you run units you are not willing to buff with stratagems or characters It's better to organize them in smaller units so your opponent has more targets and he needs to splitfire.
Think the only time I’d run a riptide at this point is the ion version with Borkan sept. Eight shots ignoring invulnerability looks pretty good. Other than that I just don’t see them being ran all that often considering crisis/broadsides are so good. Definitely the triptide is dead.
I run a squad of 6 crisis suits each with a flamer and a plasma rifle. The I split it into 2 groups of three. 3 suits get the EWO and a missile pod, 3 suits get the shield generator and a fusion blaster. 2 suits that got the fusion blaster will also receive Iridium suits. I feel like it's the best "take all comers" load out, and it's good on the overwatch too
very good work but imao, weaknesses part is missing for a complete analyse ^^. As a thousand sons player who played 6 games vs tau, i affirm tau units are very weak vs mortal wounds BUT it's a work to have the range if your opponent is good ^^. Be carefull vs melee coldstar, it's surprising strong ;-)
just went against a Tson the other day and yep, still eat MWs as usual lol. At least now I can try throwing cheap crisis suits at your characters into melee to stop them dmging higher valued units, and trying to blow up on a 3+ each time a suit is killed in each phase. But yeah Tson is probably quite hard a match up for Tau as it always has been
I run a crisis bomb in Farsight Enclave with Cyclic, Plasma, Fusion and I deep strike an enforcer Commander and Commander Farsight with them. Then I also run a Crisis Bodyguard group with Fusion and Burst Cannon to guard my coldstar.
you missed the more important part of the crisis commander buff. Ignore any or all hit modifier is strong considering the amount of dens and -1 to hit running around.
I think my one grump about the new Codex (aside from a continued criminal underuse of the auxiliaries), is the lack of characters. I haven't gotten my copy of the book yet, but near as I can tell, you've only got 5 "heroes," 3 of which are tied to the Tau sept, 1 for Enclaves, and only 1 floater for everyone else :( I really feel like like could have given at least 1 more Battlesuit hero as a floater, maybe with abilities based around the other lesser known combat strategies other than the big 2. Other than that, can't wait to get a game in!
I kind of have the opposite problem, I'd love a non-hero version of Shadowsun, since that's more or less what the Tau commander in the Dawn of War games is
unit of 6 + drone 2 bc 1 cyclic + support weapon tailored for meta, turn 1 deep strike with either stealth or coldstar jump - either farsight full reroll or tau +1 to wound alongside markerlight . you basically has the strongest turn 1 alpha strike unit in the game with hundred of high ap full reroll shot per 6 crisis. beating marine grav pod and ork buggy spam by very far margin
Those goddamn Fusion blasters are able to onehit my Dreadnoughts even after damage reduction. In Montka in half range these things are BRUTAL against Vehicles. On a versatile and resilient platform like the Crisis Suits it's VERY strong.
@@jamesdo3086 yeah true. But Meltas are still very powerful against vehicles and fusion blasters are omnipresent in the new Tau, especially on fast moving or deepstrike units like Crisis-Suits or Ghost suits. I'm not complaining per se I just saw what a full kitted out Crisis Team can do to important targets of my space marines. They are _good_ :D
I run 6 with all the defensive goodies and the CIB, fusion and plasma with FE drop zone rerolls. Designed to ignore most infantry and kill the heavy hitters the hammerheads cant see. I use a 10x gun drone squad for the other infantry
I run a 6 man unit like you do. Take smart missiles and another 3-4 man unit of crisis with AFP and you’ve got your troop clearing weapons with no los needed.
So, with increased cost for duplicate weapons, you are less inclined to go triple fusion blaster combo. It soft-forces you into taking multiple battlesuits with varied loadout each. So basically - specialised battlesuits are going to be the thing of the past, except for specific models with pre-determined loadouts perhaps.
I read a thread about loadouts, where people were more inclined to do 2+1 loadouts and still go focused task (there are usually two weapons available with a similar type of target). Basically most of them thought that the slight increase in price for the second weapon was not that bad and only the third one was unacceptable.
2+1 weapon loadouts are quite popular, they allow you to match weapons for specific range bands or target types. Something like 2xFusion+Plasma for anti-tank.
@@jek_si2251 I went with the 2 fusion 1 plasma, 1 shield on my 6 crisis, + 12 shield drones in the Tau Sept. Add in a 5+++ from an ethereal and reroll hits from Shadowsun and they become an insanely tanky and hitty unit.
There will still be specialised loadouts, just instead of 3 Fusion for anti tank it'll be Fusion, Plasma and CIB. I don't see much value in having a crisis team as a jack of all trades even though they can be equipped that way.
Sa'cea with missiles and plasma seems like a fun and durable combo, keeping them at 12 inches wouldn't be that hard and if you have iridium and a shield gen + drones an additional minus 1 to hit makes the unit quite durable I think
I know I'm not the only one, but I have to say that, of the Tau range, Crisis Suits are some of my favorite things. Back when I considered getting to play/run FFG's Rogue Trader or Deathwatch, I invented about a half dozen Tau NPCs, to use as antagonists, and really only one wasn't a Shas'O, in a Crisis Suit. I'm proud to say most of them were even buildable in the tabletop game (7e), though optimizing for that isn't the same as optimizing for the RPG. It is a shame, though, that you can't make a custom Shadowsun build, since her armor is different. And here's my pointless Guard bit. I enjoyed this video because it shows the value of really sitting down, tricking out your Mantle of the Hero, deciding what role(s) you want it to fill, and getting the most out of it. I just wish/hope that IG would get the same; HQs who are more than bare bones Order engines you almost never consider upgrading, except to make a Tank Commander. It would also be nice if Astra Militarum got a unit with the Bodyguard ability, so it's Characters could stand out, even fragile as they are, and not get sniped. Hell, it could be cool if that was just Kell, and hus bubble still worked to buff things, though that might go against his Heroic Intervention theme. At this rate, I doubt it matters, anyway; by the time we get IG in 9e, Crisis Bodyguards, Sisters Sancrosants, and the other units that do these shenanigans probably won't work that way, anymore; they'll get errata. Still, even as I whine again about some other army, I'll admit that the Crisis Suits seem to be pretty awesome for 9e.
So, given the recent changes from the last FAQ, what are the suggested loadouts left to Crisis teams? I'm likely going to be magnetising my first squad of XV-8's so adaptability is no problem.
My crisis suits have been Flamer and Burst for as long as I can remember due to the overwhelming majority of my games being against infantry heavy armies, so it would be nice to try out Fusion, Plasma and CIB as an anti tank loadout. I recently grabbed the 'For the Greater Good' box and I'm tempted to grab another combat patrol once I have this built and painted, so just from that new stuff I'll have a 6 man stealth team with all Burst and two Ghostkeels with CIR and either Burst or Flamer - I won't be lacking any anti infantry firepower...
That's a great plan for your build, but I will put this idea out for consideration, I run dual fusion on my Ghostkeel as most opposition usually hunts them down with heavy infantry and other vehicles/ dreadnoughts
@@alexairey5629 - dual fusion? do you mean the collider and blasters or just the two blasters? My thinking with the anti infantry loadout is mainly the number of shots - I don't see much value in the collider over the raker since it's only 1 strength higher than the overcharged shot and melta requires getting close, and 6-16 flamer hits or 12 burst shots is more appealing than 2 fusion shots. Although, the secondary guns aren't getting use until the opponent can shoot back anyway, so I can see the reasoning of having fusion as a deterrent - dare them to get close and slap them with a sun powered shotgun.
@@MGShadow1989 The deterrent factor is why I suggest the blasters, the flamers and bursts don't have the same psychological effect and are less likely to get significant damage on higher toughness armoured targets
@@alexairey5629 - the more I think on it the more it makes sense. If they want rid of a Ghostkeel it's tough enough that it needs a bit of dedication, but if it has an anti infantry loadout It's only protected from chaff units tying it up rather than things which actually pose a threat to it. With fusion, even if a Dreadnought per your example is successful in taking it out I've likely wounded it in the process.
So you forgot the extra tidbit for the Crisis commander: Not only do they give the ability to fall back and shoot, the other sublet of that is that they ignore ANY modifiers to shoot targets.
Is a coldstar with the high output burst cannon, 2 regular burst cannons, and an advanced burst cannon point efficient? No. Is it extremely satisfying with precision of the hunter and the viorla mortal wounds on 6s stratagem? Yes.
Stealth Suits homing beacon would work better than manta strike with correct positioning. You could get you crisis suits down turn one and close to their targets.
It also works very well with the Exemplar of Kauyon warlord trait. Going first move the Stealths up near the enemy and deepstrike the crisis suits 9" from the enemy, and if going 2nd move the stealths into a more defensive position so they don't die turn 1. However I've found it hard to justify exemplar of Kauyon in my list over Precision of the Hunter and Exemplar of Kauyon.
Doubling on guns is (sadly) usually terrible idea but there are few good alternative builds: 2 flamer and burst stupidly good at short range against infantry. However Flamer + 2 Bursts is also worth considering due to range and actually better damage against T4 3+ (and barely worse against anything else). 2xBurst+Plasma or 2xFlamer+Plasma - good all-rounders, I would really think about which one to use due to range. El'Cheap-O burst+flamer+plasma is good too for it's points. Still, CIB, Plasma and Blaster are probably go-to when using suits as intended.
Doubling on guns is actually mathematically the best for targeting certain loadouts based on some mathhammer. Points per efficiency it is not uncommon to see double flamer be the best choice for certain profiles up to 7 toughness. Obviously this specializes the suit in fighting one type of enemy, but that's not too bad in a large army where you might have 1 weakness stand out
I would really like to start a Tau army, as I love all the battlesuits and stuff (and generally like armoured units the most to paint, which is my main thing, I'm a painter first) but I know nothing about them. I would not be able to build an army for them. Will I be best waiting till some netlists pop up and just copying one or something? (or at least using it as a jumping off point) as I would like something that will be good to play games with as well.
If you're going to spend dozens or even hundreds or hours painting an army it wouldn't be too bad to spend a few hours researching how to put together an army list.
Getting started with a few of the Units you like the most is usually a good place to start. There are also many tactics videos for Tau coming out right now, copying a list that has the units you like should be a good starting point, and as you gain experience playing the game adjusting a few units loadouts or out of the list for something else to fit your playstyle
@@cinifiend what I mean is that I don't know what any of the units are by name or anything. It's not like with other armies where they've always been around and I know what they are. When Tau came out I wasn't doing anything 40k related and I simply overlooked them when I came back to the game eventually. So even if I see a list I don't know what any of the stuff is. I guess it will just take longer. Will have to look everything up.
@@alexairey5629 seems all the best stuff has been decimated from my usual store. I can pick up stuff here and there from smaller 3rd party stores though. I really have to think about it though, as Eldar are getting a huge range refresh and it would be much smarter to invest in those. I do really like the mech stuff for tau, but if I have to buy loads of conscript stuff for them I'm not as into it. Most kroot stuff and the vespid stuff are very ugly minis. I know I can get nice 3rd party kroot minis though, so probs the same for vespid. also regular kroot soldiers look fine, but the kroot hounds are pretty ugly and the vespid are as well by todays standards. I really thought they were gonna update some of those older sculpts. Now Eldar have loads of new plastics it's really tempting to start an army for them. I've not painted any Eldar since 2nd edition neither. I have wanted to start an army for them for ages, but the minis were just way too dated and mostly failcast.
Im thinking about running a unit of 3 or 6 crisis units with 2 airburst frag projectors, cyclic ion blaster and shield. So that i can deal with hordes, but still have something to deal with marines and light vehicles.
I'm feeling that going for a "jack of all traded" loadout is not that point efficient as specialicing the unit for a purpose even the increased cost of equiping the same weapons.
I read a threat where people were mainly going for a 2+1 loadouts as the third is too expensive and there are good weapons with similar stats available for the single option.
Nah, go 3 different for max flexibility. Then just divide your fire efficiently. That being said, they are just ridiculously underpriced compared to anything else heavy infantry barring only Broadsides, maybe. I mean compare them to anything you want, Termies, Custodes, Wraith guard new or old, or even any flavor of Bikers, given their mobility. They consistently have more firepower, the battlesuit rules, they have more wounds, toughness, and better mobility, at a much lower price tag. I predict a +10 on the chassis minimum next nerf round, and that will still have them very competitively priced.
@@ForceM1782 They cost about 60-70ppm now, right? Also, you've got to take in the entire army into account. Crisis are a staple of Tau armies, so have to be good. Wraithguard are a great thing to add to a list, but we're never intended to be a core part of the army. Crisis battle suits don't have melee, and the other options you listed have fearsome punches. The shoot-in-melee buff is very good, but you get to punch *twice* before they can do that, regardless of who charged. I agree they are extremely good, but I thought I should produce some of the possible counter-arguments.
@@ForceM1782 ah yes, fire your 30” range plasma rifle at the terminators in front of you, your 12” flamer at the horde 24” away and your melts guns at the tanks 30” away. I don’t play tau but played them a lot at a recent tournament, they are ok, nowhere near top top tier which people are saying. While the two top players were tau I think it’s mostly because it’s such a new codex most people didn’t know what they did
@@matthewrayner571 fair points, apart from the Wraith Guard argument. Both are Elites. And make no mistake, i think the new Wraithguard will be fairly strong. But i see no reason for Crisis to be ridiculously better just because they play a bigger role in fluff.
If you want an incredibly killy unit of crisis suits, you can take 6 crisis suits with three flamers each (360pts). If you get them into mont'ka range, use the exemplar of the mont'ka warlord trait for reroll wounds, Darkstrider for a +1 to wound and coordinated engagement for an extra AP, you get 18D6+36 autohits at S4 AP-2 D1 with +1 to wound and reroll all wounds. This will kill 96 Guardsmen, 29 Space Marines, 16-17 Gravis Marines, 12 Blightlord Terminators, a casual 50 wounds to a T7 vehicle, 37W to a Plagueburst Crawler, will one-turn a Knight Castellan *with* rotate ion shields, and even if Mortarion turns off rerolls, still forces 11 wounds through to him. About the only things it "struggles" against would be anything getting a 0+ save, such as Scarab Occult Terminators, Storm Shield Terminators or Sword or Board Custodian Guard in cover assuming you didn't bring the ignores cover support system, where this will still kill 5 Scarabs or Storm Shield Terminators, 4 Custodian Guard. Have mercy upon your opponents, for this unit of crisis suits will not.
Are the Crisis models suits being replaced? Noticed on gw site they are not just out of stock, but no longer available online, alongside a few other models.
I think one important aspect you missed is the Crisis suit commander also gives the ability to ignore ANY or ALL hit modifiers on a crisis squad. Ow what's that, you use some thingimabob that gives me -2 to hit so my markerlight still doesn't make it +1? I GUESS NOT MWUAHAHA.
13:20 the thermoneutronic projector doesn’t have the auto hit ability on it. Unsure if it’s intended, but it kind of makes sense if it doesn’t auto hit
Question? If take 3 separate support systems such as Target Lock, Velocity Tracker, and Multi Tracker. Does this grant the unit with all buffs from the support systems, or just the model that it is on??
Also important to keep in mind that Crisis Commander can make a unit ignore any or all ballistic skill modifiers as command ability, which sounds super strong.
@@mohdazlanawang7540 absolutely, and since he'll be running around with the Crisis unit he's also always available to trigger Coordinated Engagement or Exemplar of Mont'ka caddy with if you want to put the hurt on a unit
I Built one of my Suites with a Flamer, a Shield Generator and a Misile Pod. My Idea was to have him be a front line wave clearer, With the Generator for that Extra Defence and a Missle Pod for a ranged attack...Did I make a bad mistake? I'm curious
I'm surprised the bodyguard rule wasn't removed when the out of LOS abuse was first observed. And whoever made it up fired on the spot for not seeing this possibility in advance. There are much better ways for bodyguards to protect. Simplest are to absorb damage instead of who they are protecting and/or provide a shield. Allowing rules for muchkins to do stuff not physically possible is just moronic.
GW: we are going to try to shorten games by minimizing roles so we are going to get rid of for the grater good GW: we are also going to highly desensitized useing all of the same gun so you have to remember more data sheets and roll more attacks
One interesting thing to note: Coldstar Commanders shouldn't take drones as those drones cannot move the same distance as the suit. Also with Bork'an Warlord trait and experimental burst cannon+base heavy burst on Coldstar you are looking at shooting in Mont'ka 18 shoots at AP-3, 10 of which ignore FnP, reroll 1 to wound, 6 to wound cause mortals and can potentially spend 2 CP for ignore invuls Pretty scary imo But not as much as longstrike not being targetable due to bodyguards
Taking two CIB's is still cheaper now than it was last codex, going from 36 points down to 30, so still an option. Though with the Glow up Plasma got, its much easier to mix and match now.
Just double-checking, but I'm not sure I can take the target lock plus 3 weapons. It seems to read as though I'm locked to taking 3 weapons and/or support systems, meaning I'd have to give up a weapon to take target lock. Can anyone confirm? Thanks
Auspex, what is your take on the Thermoneutronic Projector not beeing an auto hitting weapon. RAW the Signature Sytem is missing the Autohit Rule so you'd have to roll for hits.
I'm having fun coming up with different loadouts for my crisis suit teams. I always like to have one model decked out for defense, one carries the Free Overwatch module, and everyone gets a flamer!
To me as a chaos player, I just see blatant profiteering by arbitrarily altering weapon loadouts or models that haven't been seen for years or at all. It has never been efficient to use three different weapons, and now all of the sudden it is. Edit: Oh Sorry, I forgot to mention that they are raising prices after a year of record profits!
@@Stukov961 imagine justifying the price increase like a simp. But no, it's not just 5%, GW has been sneakily increasing their prices for years, the only difference with the most recent hike is that the hike was so bad (some things are going up by 10-20%) that they HAD to announce it in order to lessen the PR blow. But yeah, keep justifying constant price increases that frequently outpace the inflation excuse that GW is peddling and seems to have worked with you.
Both overwatch and move shoot move tactics should be nice and an important aspect of the game. Overwatch should be a standard action, not cost CP, to allow to hold one or more shots to fire in the opponent's turn. For anything with two or more big guns it should be default to spread fire over turns. A simple mechanic would be to have each additional shot in the shooting phase reduce the attack characteristic by one and have unused attacks be used for overwatch (like action points in Battlesector). Depending on the number of guns, attacks, movement and special rules the shots could have different modifiers. A player must balance used firepower with anticipating enemy moves. Tau could be king of this overwatch game, and opponents without good overwatch tactics should struggle against their move-shoot-move options. This makes it more about player skill than having and abusing unrealistic and possibly OP rules. This would also prevent a player building around wonky rules to be nerfed every time they change. And not kinda force a player to become a munchkin to play competitively. This would go well with borrowing rules from apocalypse games where you distribute damage markers but only resolve damage at the end of a phase/turn. This way everything has a chance to fire before it is destroyed.
I am sorry to ask but I am a total newbie and I am super confused. I have 3 crisis suits and don't plan to get more anytime soon. So what would be the best overall loadout for each of the three be? Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
@@clood0814 ok well, start on the slide where he lists all the different guns. From those you can choose up to 3 in any combination for each model. So for example you could have 3x flamers, or 2x flamers and and missile pod, etc. You would choose the weapons based on what things you want to kill. He lists each weapon's performance against typical models in the game: Imperial Gaurd, Space Marine, a typical vehicle, and a tough vehicle. From there you can also choose a support system for each model but I'd say that's the advanced class. If all else fails just follow the rule of cool! As long as you stick to max 3 weapons you'll be OK.
@@bowenflob8036 thank you so much! Now i get. I was stuck where it was about how many weapons each suit can equip. I thought that you can equip only one weapon per suit!
I've been playing around with borkan and having a degenerate block of bodyguards just hide all game while a commander and firesight marksman get free shots all game. I dressed up the block of 3 guards with 2 frag launchers each and that prototype one that lowers morale is DISGUSTING. very very annoying for my friends
Losing the fourth hardpoint kills bodyguards for me. The bodyguard shenanigans are *useful* for sure but it's not very fun to lose the fourth slot for all your toys for it.
cmon like was it fair that you could have your fkn bodyguard unit be your best shooting unit at the same time. also bummed about it but it kinda makes sense at least
@@zaganim3813 It doesn't make sense, is the issue. There's nothing about them being a bodyguard that would cost them a hardpoint slot when you think about it. If people think it'd be too good I'd rather they just nerf the bodyguard rule (because that rule very much is problematic!) or increase the cost.
Support Systems only affect the model its on, so systems like EWO would only allow the one model to fore overwatch on 5+ BS (not sure how this would interact with the free CP OW). For this reason, I think CDS might be usable in a large squad if you really need to mitigate damage from a high-damage weapon to the model carrying it. 9-)
@@inquisitormalleus6435 They went up 5 pts since the last chapter approved ACTUALLY and plasma exterminators are 5 pts each. IK, math is hard ;) ACTUALLY :/
CORRECTION: The Thermoneutronic projector DOESN'T auto-hit at range, so is perhaps better placed on a commander. Apologies for the error!
A mistake I also fell for. It's a flamer upgrade, dammit!
Commander with Precision of the Hunter.
@@linkofvev I've been toying with ways to make Kauyon work, and on a Commander with Precision of the Hunter, all the extra to-hit rolls makes for a lot of quite powerful exploding shots with the Thermoneutronic Projector.
Ehhh….it replace the flamer so it just replaces the profile not the flamer special rule…it doesnt need to specify that it autohits coz its a flamer replacer
@@mohdazlanawang7540 it ned to do it. Every relic/ weapoen upgrade replace The original weaopens rules and ned to be writhen.
So give them 1 burst cannon and 1 flamer, and they are the same points as an aggressor. The fight a lot worse but then aggressors rarely make combat. But they can move double the distance, fly, have an extra wound, shoot in combat, the support system you choose, and free deepstrike. You'd also have statistically better shooting with the s5 on burst cannon and d6+2 on the flamer.
they are also marine drop pod
Yeah, we all know by now that marines are the bottom of 9th codices.
Tbh Agressors are bottom tier, anything compared with them wins
@@pedrojaguisan8817I will just say Canoptek Reanimator
@@nitecssolano Dude, we don't talk about that.
Tau's bread and butter. At least 1 unit is basically mandatory.
for some reason people were really scared of the hammerhead that can easily miss a shot, instead of the swedish army knife on steroids
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I use them in a 6 model squad with burst cannon fusion rifle and plasma rifle with An ethereal with drone for -1 to hit and a 5+fnp with esemplar of montka to make them reroll to wound and shadowsun for rerolling to hit
Forgive me for a newbie question (I’m getting back into 40k since years), but I’ve seen about the place people putting a big emphasis on running things in 6 model squads, what’s the reason behind that? ObSec?
@@GravJoeGaming they don't have obsec. I run them in 6 model unit because most of the buffs characters give can affect only one unit. By Making bigger units you can get the best effect. For example in my opinion one unit of six is better than two of three because you can have 6 models with fnp and you can reroll all hitrolls and wound rolls. When you run units you are not willing to buff with stratagems or characters It's better to organize them in smaller units so your opponent has more targets and he needs to splitfire.
Would love to see a riptide review, as most tau players probably have at least one and likely more
Think the only time I’d run a riptide at this point is the ion version with Borkan sept.
Eight shots ignoring invulnerability looks pretty good.
Other than that I just don’t see them being ran all that often considering crisis/broadsides are so good.
Definitely the triptide is dead.
I run a squad of 6 crisis suits each with a flamer and a plasma rifle. The I split it into 2 groups of three. 3 suits get the EWO and a missile pod, 3 suits get the shield generator and a fusion blaster. 2 suits that got the fusion blaster will also receive Iridium suits. I feel like it's the best "take all comers" load out, and it's good on the overwatch too
Don't care for xenos besides nids but I'm happy for tau players. I'm excited get shot off the board by something not imperium.
Great video, really loved it! Keep up the good work man.
very good work but imao, weaknesses part is missing for a complete analyse ^^.
As a thousand sons player who played 6 games vs tau, i affirm tau units are very weak vs mortal wounds BUT it's a work to have the range if your opponent is good ^^.
Be carefull vs melee coldstar, it's surprising strong ;-)
just went against a Tson the other day and yep, still eat MWs as usual lol. At least now I can try throwing cheap crisis suits at your characters into melee to stop them dmging higher valued units, and trying to blow up on a 3+ each time a suit is killed in each phase. But yeah Tson is probably quite hard a match up for Tau as it always has been
realize this guy fkn made this video in 20 minutes while he was researching the next 10 videos he is gonna drop every day
@WhiteTowerGuard Commander Pimphand salutes Shas'O Slap'O.
For the Greater Good!
I run a crisis bomb in Farsight Enclave with Cyclic, Plasma, Fusion and I deep strike an enforcer Commander and Commander Farsight with them. Then I also run a Crisis Bodyguard group with Fusion and Burst Cannon to guard my coldstar.
I run flamer, plasma fusion and shield myself and man it's great to clear out whole units with it :'D I do 5 crisis of that though
@@LoudLoveTaps Yeah I always include shield gen just so they stay longer in the fight
Mind sharing your full list? I'm New to tau and i want to build enclaves
@@javierbarboza4270
++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (T'au Empire) [74 PL, 12CP, 1,280pts] ++
+ Configuration +
Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)
Detachment Command Cost
Sept Choice: Farsight Enclaves
+ HQ +
Cadre Fireblade [3 PL, 50pts]
Commander Farsight [7 PL, 130pts]: Warlord
Commander in Coldstar Battlesuit [8 PL, 165pts]: Burst Cannon, High-output Burst Cannon, Novasurge Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator
+ Troops +
Breacher Team [5 PL, 85pts]
. 9x Breacher Fire Warrior: 9x Pulse Blaster, 9x Pulse Pistol
Breacher Team [5 PL, 85pts]
. 9x Breacher Fire Warrior: 9x Pulse Blaster, 9x Pulse Pistol
Strike Team [4 PL, 80pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui: Pulse Rifle
. 9x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle: 9x Pulse Pistol, 9x Pulse Rifle
+ Elites +
Crisis Battlesuits [18 PL, 325pts]
. Crisis Shas'ui: Cyclic Ion Blaster, Cyclic Ion Blaster, Iridium battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator
. Crisis Shas'ui: Cyclic Ion Blaster, Missile Pod, Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator
. Crisis Shas'ui: Cyclic Ion Blaster, Fusion Blaster, Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator
. Crisis Shas'ui: Cyclic Ion Blaster, Fusion Blaster, Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator
. Crisis Shas'vre: Cyclic Ion Blaster, Cyclic Ion Blaster, Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator
Crisis Bodyguards [12 PL, 170pts]
. Crisis Bodyguard Shas'ui: Burst Cannon, Fusion Blaster, Shield Generator
. Crisis Bodyguard Shas'ui: Shield Generator, T'au Flamer, T'au Flamer
. Crisis Bodyguard Shas'vre: Burst Cannon, Cyclic Ion Blaster, Iridium battlesuit, Shield Generator
+ Dedicated Transport +
Devilfish [6 PL, 95pts]
. 2x Gun Drones
. . 2x Gun Drone: 4x Pulse Carbine
Devilfish [6 PL, 95pts]
. 2x Gun Drones
. . 2x Gun Drone: 4x Pulse Carbine
++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (T'au Empire) [40 PL, -3CP, 720pts] ++
+ Configuration +
Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]
Sept Choice: Farsight Enclaves
+ HQ +
Commander in Coldstar Battlesuit [8 PL, 165pts]: Fusion Blaster, Missile Pod, Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator, Starflare Ignition System
Commander in Enforcer Battlesuit [9 PL, -1CP, 170pts]: 1. Precision of the Hunter, Fusion Blaster, Onager Gauntlet, Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator, Stratagem: Promising Pupil, T'au Flamer, Thermoneutronic Projector
+ Troops +
Kroot Carnivores [3 PL, 60pts]
. 10x Kroot: 10x Kroot Rifle, 10x Quill Grenades
Strike Team [4 PL, 80pts]
. Fire Warrior Shas'ui: Pulse Rifle
. 9x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle: 9x Pulse Pistol, 9x Pulse Rifle
+ Elites +
Stealth Battlesuits [8 PL, 100pts]
. 3x Stealth Shas'ui w/ Burst Cannon: 3x Burst Cannon
. Stealth Shas'vre: Burst Cannon
+ Heavy Support +
Hammerhead Gunship [8 PL, 145pts]: Railgun
. 2x Gun Drones
. . 2x Gun Drone: 4x Pulse Carbine
++ Total: [114 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] ++
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you missed the more important part of the crisis commander buff. Ignore any or all hit modifier is strong considering the amount of dens and -1 to hit running around.
I think my one grump about the new Codex (aside from a continued criminal underuse of the auxiliaries), is the lack of characters. I haven't gotten my copy of the book yet, but near as I can tell, you've only got 5 "heroes," 3 of which are tied to the Tau sept, 1 for Enclaves, and only 1 floater for everyone else :(
I really feel like like could have given at least 1 more Battlesuit hero as a floater, maybe with abilities based around the other lesser known combat strategies other than the big 2. Other than that, can't wait to get a game in!
Only Darkstrider and Longstrike are tied to Tau. Farsight to Farsight. The other 3 can go in any sept
I kind of have the opposite problem, I'd love a non-hero version of Shadowsun, since that's more or less what the Tau commander in the Dawn of War games is
unit of 6 + drone 2 bc 1 cyclic + support weapon tailored for meta, turn 1 deep strike with either stealth or coldstar jump
- either farsight full reroll or tau +1 to wound alongside markerlight
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you basically has the strongest turn 1 alpha strike unit in the game with hundred of high ap full reroll shot per 6 crisis.
beating marine grav pod and ork buggy spam by very far margin
Those goddamn Fusion blasters are able to onehit my Dreadnoughts even after damage reduction. In Montka in half range these things are BRUTAL against Vehicles. On a versatile and resilient platform like the Crisis Suits it's VERY strong.
Those fusion blasters are literally just meltas my guy
I guess it could. Max 8 damage. Doesn’t really make it strong inherently lol
@@jamesdo3086 yeah true. But Meltas are still very powerful against vehicles and fusion blasters are omnipresent in the new Tau, especially on fast moving or deepstrike units like Crisis-Suits or Ghost suits. I'm not complaining per se I just saw what a full kitted out Crisis Team can do to important targets of my space marines. They are _good_ :D
@@jamesdo3086 with fly, fire and fade, drones and a 4+ invun XD yeah just meltas
I run 6 with all the defensive goodies and the CIB, fusion and plasma with FE drop zone rerolls. Designed to ignore most infantry and kill the heavy hitters the hammerheads cant see. I use a 10x gun drone squad for the other infantry
I run a 6 man unit like you do.
Take smart missiles and another 3-4 man unit of crisis with AFP and you’ve got your troop clearing weapons with no los needed.
Just the video I wanted! Been struggling to decide on what to arm my Crisis teams with.
I got to do my first ever 40k game last night and I used two squads of Crisis Suits. They were really fun to play
nice, what else did you run?
@@Butterfingers49 I also had a Cadre Fireblade, Ethereal, Coldstar Commander, some Pathfinders, Breachers, two squads of Strikers
So, with increased cost for duplicate weapons, you are less inclined to go triple fusion blaster combo. It soft-forces you into taking multiple battlesuits with varied loadout each.
So basically - specialised battlesuits are going to be the thing of the past, except for specific models with pre-determined loadouts perhaps.
I read a thread about loadouts, where people were more inclined to do 2+1 loadouts and still go focused task (there are usually two weapons available with a similar type of target). Basically most of them thought that the slight increase in price for the second weapon was not that bad and only the third one was unacceptable.
2+1 weapon loadouts are quite popular, they allow you to match weapons for specific range bands or target types. Something like 2xFusion+Plasma for anti-tank.
Yeah it's stupid
@@jek_si2251 I went with the 2 fusion 1 plasma, 1 shield on my 6 crisis, + 12 shield drones in the Tau Sept. Add in a 5+++ from an ethereal and reroll hits from Shadowsun and they become an insanely tanky and hitty unit.
There will still be specialised loadouts, just instead of 3 Fusion for anti tank it'll be Fusion, Plasma and CIB.
I don't see much value in having a crisis team as a jack of all trades even though they can be equipped that way.
Sa'cea with missiles and plasma seems like a fun and durable combo, keeping them at 12 inches wouldn't be that hard and if you have iridium and a shield gen + drones an additional minus 1 to hit makes the unit quite durable I think
I know I'm not the only one, but I have to say that, of the Tau range, Crisis Suits are some of my favorite things. Back when I considered getting to play/run FFG's Rogue Trader or Deathwatch, I invented about a half dozen Tau NPCs, to use as antagonists, and really only one wasn't a Shas'O, in a Crisis Suit. I'm proud to say most of them were even buildable in the tabletop game (7e), though optimizing for that isn't the same as optimizing for the RPG. It is a shame, though, that you can't make a custom Shadowsun build, since her armor is different.
And here's my pointless Guard bit. I enjoyed this video because it shows the value of really sitting down, tricking out your Mantle of the Hero, deciding what role(s) you want it to fill, and getting the most out of it. I just wish/hope that IG would get the same; HQs who are more than bare bones Order engines you almost never consider upgrading, except to make a Tank Commander. It would also be nice if Astra Militarum got a unit with the Bodyguard ability, so it's Characters could stand out, even fragile as they are, and not get sniped. Hell, it could be cool if that was just Kell, and hus bubble still worked to buff things, though that might go against his Heroic Intervention theme. At this rate, I doubt it matters, anyway; by the time we get IG in 9e, Crisis Bodyguards, Sisters Sancrosants, and the other units that do these shenanigans probably won't work that way, anymore; they'll get errata. Still, even as I whine again about some other army, I'll admit that the Crisis Suits seem to be pretty awesome for 9e.
So, given the recent changes from the last FAQ, what are the suggested loadouts left to Crisis teams? I'm likely going to be magnetising my first squad of XV-8's so adaptability is no problem.
My crisis suits have been Flamer and Burst for as long as I can remember due to the overwhelming majority of my games being against infantry heavy armies, so it would be nice to try out Fusion, Plasma and CIB as an anti tank loadout.
I recently grabbed the 'For the Greater Good' box and I'm tempted to grab another combat patrol once I have this built and painted, so just from that new stuff I'll have a 6 man stealth team with all Burst and two Ghostkeels with CIR and either Burst or Flamer - I won't be lacking any anti infantry firepower...
That's a great plan for your build, but I will put this idea out for consideration, I run dual fusion on my Ghostkeel as most opposition usually hunts them down with heavy infantry and other vehicles/ dreadnoughts
@@alexairey5629 - dual fusion? do you mean the collider and blasters or just the two blasters?
My thinking with the anti infantry loadout is mainly the number of shots - I don't see much value in the collider over the raker since it's only 1 strength higher than the overcharged shot and melta requires getting close, and 6-16 flamer hits or 12 burst shots is more appealing than 2 fusion shots.
Although, the secondary guns aren't getting use until the opponent can shoot back anyway, so I can see the reasoning of having fusion as a deterrent - dare them to get close and slap them with a sun powered shotgun.
@@MGShadow1989 Just the two Blasters, the Raker as the main weapon
@@MGShadow1989 The deterrent factor is why I suggest the blasters, the flamers and bursts don't have the same psychological effect and are less likely to get significant damage on higher toughness armoured targets
@@alexairey5629 - the more I think on it the more it makes sense.
If they want rid of a Ghostkeel it's tough enough that it needs a bit of dedication, but if it has an anti infantry loadout It's only protected from chaff units tying it up rather than things which actually pose a threat to it.
With fusion, even if a Dreadnought per your example is successful in taking it out I've likely wounded it in the process.
So you forgot the extra tidbit for the Crisis commander: Not only do they give the ability to fall back and shoot, the other sublet of that is that they ignore ANY modifiers to shoot targets.
Is a coldstar with the high output burst cannon, 2 regular burst cannons, and an advanced burst cannon point efficient? No. Is it extremely satisfying with precision of the hunter and the viorla mortal wounds on 6s stratagem? Yes.
Stealth Suits homing beacon would work better than manta strike with correct positioning. You could get you crisis suits down turn one and close to their targets.
That's an idea that definitely appeals for a Crisis team built for close to medium range shooting.
It also works very well with the Exemplar of Kauyon warlord trait. Going first move the Stealths up near the enemy and deepstrike the crisis suits 9" from the enemy, and if going 2nd move the stealths into a more defensive position so they don't die turn 1. However I've found it hard to justify exemplar of Kauyon in my list over Precision of the Hunter and Exemplar of Kauyon.
Broad sides with cold star commander for extra 8 inch advance then jump back
I’m loving the new plasma. They are just ranged Thunder hammers
Just what I needed - great!
Doubling on guns is (sadly) usually terrible idea but there are few good alternative builds:
2 flamer and burst stupidly good at short range against infantry. However Flamer + 2 Bursts is also worth considering due to range and actually better damage against T4 3+ (and barely worse against anything else).
2xBurst+Plasma or 2xFlamer+Plasma - good all-rounders, I would really think about which one to use due to range. El'Cheap-O burst+flamer+plasma is good too for it's points.
Still, CIB, Plasma and Blaster are probably go-to when using suits as intended.
Doubling on guns is actually mathematically the best for targeting certain loadouts based on some mathhammer. Points per efficiency it is not uncommon to see double flamer be the best choice for certain profiles up to 7 toughness.
Obviously this specializes the suit in fighting one type of enemy, but that's not too bad in a large army where you might have 1 weakness stand out
I would really like to start a Tau army, as I love all the battlesuits and stuff (and generally like armoured units the most to paint, which is my main thing, I'm a painter first) but I know nothing about them. I would not be able to build an army for them. Will I be best waiting till some netlists pop up and just copying one or something? (or at least using it as a jumping off point) as I would like something that will be good to play games with as well.
If you're going to spend dozens or even hundreds or hours painting an army it wouldn't be too bad to spend a few hours researching how to put together an army list.
Getting started with a few of the Units you like the most is usually a good place to start. There are also many tactics videos for Tau coming out right now, copying a list that has the units you like should be a good starting point, and as you gain experience playing the game adjusting a few units loadouts or out of the list for something else to fit your playstyle
@@cinifiend what I mean is that I don't know what any of the units are by name or anything.
It's not like with other armies where they've always been around and I know what they are.
When Tau came out I wasn't doing anything 40k related and I simply overlooked them when I came back to the game eventually.
So even if I see a list I don't know what any of the stuff is.
I guess it will just take longer. Will have to look everything up.
@@alexairey5629 thanks.
@@alexairey5629 seems all the best stuff has been decimated from my usual store.
I can pick up stuff here and there from smaller 3rd party stores though.
I really have to think about it though, as Eldar are getting a huge range refresh and it would be much smarter to invest in those.
I do really like the mech stuff for tau, but if I have to buy loads of conscript stuff for them I'm not as into it. Most kroot stuff and the vespid stuff are very ugly minis.
I know I can get nice 3rd party kroot minis though, so probs the same for vespid.
also regular kroot soldiers look fine, but the kroot hounds are pretty ugly and the vespid are as well by todays standards.
I really thought they were gonna update some of those older sculpts.
Now Eldar have loads of new plastics it's really tempting to start an army for them.
I've not painted any Eldar since 2nd edition neither. I have wanted to start an army for them for ages, but the minis were just way too dated and mostly failcast.
Im thinking about running a unit of 3 or 6 crisis units with 2 airburst frag projectors, cyclic ion blaster and shield. So that i can deal with hordes, but still have something to deal with marines and light vehicles.
I'm feeling that going for a "jack of all traded" loadout is not that point efficient as specialicing the unit for a purpose even the increased cost of equiping the same weapons.
I read a threat where people were mainly going for a 2+1 loadouts as the third is too expensive and there are good weapons with similar stats available for the single option.
Nah, go 3 different for max flexibility. Then just divide your fire efficiently.
That being said, they are just ridiculously underpriced compared to anything else heavy infantry barring only Broadsides, maybe.
I mean compare them to anything you want, Termies, Custodes, Wraith guard new or old, or even any flavor of Bikers, given their mobility.
They consistently have more firepower, the battlesuit rules, they have more wounds, toughness, and better mobility, at a much lower price tag.
I predict a +10 on the chassis minimum next nerf round, and that will still have them very competitively priced.
@@ForceM1782 They cost about 60-70ppm now, right?
Also, you've got to take in the entire army into account. Crisis are a staple of Tau armies, so have to be good. Wraithguard are a great thing to add to a list, but we're never intended to be a core part of the army.
Crisis battle suits don't have melee, and the other options you listed have fearsome punches. The shoot-in-melee buff is very good, but you get to punch *twice* before they can do that, regardless of who charged.
I agree they are extremely good, but I thought I should produce some of the possible counter-arguments.
@@ForceM1782 ah yes, fire your 30” range plasma rifle at the terminators in front of you, your 12” flamer at the horde 24” away and your melts guns at the tanks 30” away.
I don’t play tau but played them a lot at a recent tournament, they are ok, nowhere near top top tier which people are saying. While the two top players were tau I think it’s mostly because it’s such a new codex most people didn’t know what they did
@@matthewrayner571 fair points, apart from the Wraith Guard argument. Both are Elites. And make no mistake, i think the new Wraithguard will be fairly strong.
But i see no reason for Crisis to be ridiculously better just because they play a bigger role in fluff.
They are just brutal
I want to run a kroot force with a tau "training support cadre" of suits and an etherial.
The man, the myth, the legend.
Keep up the great work.
If you want an incredibly killy unit of crisis suits, you can take 6 crisis suits with three flamers each (360pts). If you get them into mont'ka range, use the exemplar of the mont'ka warlord trait for reroll wounds, Darkstrider for a +1 to wound and coordinated engagement for an extra AP, you get 18D6+36 autohits at S4 AP-2 D1 with +1 to wound and reroll all wounds. This will kill 96 Guardsmen, 29 Space Marines, 16-17 Gravis Marines, 12 Blightlord Terminators, a casual 50 wounds to a T7 vehicle, 37W to a Plagueburst Crawler, will one-turn a Knight Castellan *with* rotate ion shields, and even if Mortarion turns off rerolls, still forces 11 wounds through to him.
About the only things it "struggles" against would be anything getting a 0+ save, such as Scarab Occult Terminators, Storm Shield Terminators or Sword or Board Custodian Guard in cover assuming you didn't bring the ignores cover support system, where this will still kill 5 Scarabs or Storm Shield Terminators, 4 Custodian Guard.
Have mercy upon your opponents, for this unit of crisis suits will not.
And then they die cause they are really close to the enemy.
@@scheikundeiscool4086 Nah you just get your 0CP overwatch and do it all again.
Are the Crisis models suits being replaced? Noticed on gw site they are not just out of stock, but no longer available online, alongside a few other models.
I think one important aspect you missed is the Crisis suit commander also gives the ability to ignore ANY or ALL hit modifiers on a crisis squad. Ow what's that, you use some thingimabob that gives me -2 to hit so my markerlight still doesn't make it +1? I GUESS NOT MWUAHAHA.
Why do so many channels make the same mistake with the thermoneutronic projector?
It may upgrade a flamer but it doesn't NOT automatically hit.
"...It doesn't NOT..."
Was that an intentional double negative or was that a typo?
I only ask cause I want to know if it does or doesn't.
@@sailorgoon501 it doesn't auto-hit. You always roll with it (maybe it's more of a blowtorch than a flamethrower?)
@@sailorgoon501 it was autocorrect going wild.
protoflamer doesnt auto hit. it trolls hit like a pleb gun.
13:20 the thermoneutronic projector doesn’t have the auto hit ability on it. Unsure if it’s intended, but it kind of makes sense if it doesn’t auto hit
Question? If take 3 separate support systems such as Target Lock, Velocity Tracker, and Multi Tracker. Does this grant the unit with all buffs from the support systems, or just the model that it is on??
Also important to keep in mind that Crisis Commander can make a unit ignore any or all ballistic skill modifiers as command ability, which sounds super strong.
yup.....very good against all those minus one to hit shenanigans...auto-take for me
@@mohdazlanawang7540 absolutely, and since he'll be running around with the Crisis unit he's also always available to trigger Coordinated Engagement or Exemplar of Mont'ka caddy with if you want to put the hurt on a unit
I Built one of my Suites with a Flamer, a Shield Generator and a Misile Pod. My Idea was to have him be a front line wave clearer, With the Generator for that Extra Defence and a Missle Pod for a ranged attack...Did I make a bad mistake? I'm curious
I'm surprised the bodyguard rule wasn't removed when the out of LOS abuse was first observed. And whoever made it up fired on the spot for not seeing this possibility in advance.
There are much better ways for bodyguards to protect. Simplest are to absorb damage instead of who they are protecting and/or provide a shield. Allowing rules for muchkins to do stuff not physically possible is just moronic.
GW: we are going to try to shorten games by minimizing roles so we are going to get rid of for the grater good
GW: we are also going to highly desensitized useing all of the same gun so you have to remember more data sheets and roll more attacks
One interesting thing to note: Coldstar Commanders shouldn't take drones as those drones cannot move the same distance as the suit.
Also with Bork'an Warlord trait and experimental burst cannon+base heavy burst on Coldstar you are looking at shooting in Mont'ka 18 shoots at AP-3, 10 of which ignore FnP, reroll 1 to wound, 6 to wound cause mortals and can potentially spend 2 CP for ignore invuls
Pretty scary imo
But not as much as longstrike not being targetable due to bodyguards
Coldstars can take drones, but the Coldstar is forced to not outrun the drones.
Taking two CIB's is still cheaper now than it was last codex, going from 36 points down to 30, so still an option. Though with the Glow up Plasma got, its much easier to mix and match now.
All I know is I'm gonna find a way to fit 30 Crisis suits into a list, and die on that hill every game, cuz I just need a reason to keep buying more.
Is the multi tracker worth it on a 2 flamer and burst set up?
Just double-checking, but I'm not sure I can take the target lock plus 3 weapons. It seems to read as though I'm locked to taking 3 weapons and/or support systems, meaning I'd have to give up a weapon to take target lock. Can anyone confirm? Thanks
Am I correct in thinking that they can no longer jump shoot jump?
Yeah, now I get to use all my suits :)
Auspex, what is your take on the Thermoneutronic Projector not beeing an auto hitting weapon.
RAW the Signature Sytem is missing the Autohit Rule so you'd have to roll for hits.
Ill go with 1 squad with cyclic ion, plasma, fusion and shields and 1 squad Bodyguard wit double airburst (Ignore los is worth a lot^^) and flamer.
I'm having fun coming up with different loadouts for my crisis suit teams. I always like to have one model decked out for defense, one carries the Free Overwatch module, and everyone gets a flamer!
To me as a chaos player, I just see blatant profiteering by arbitrarily altering weapon loadouts or models that haven't been seen for years or at all. It has never been efficient to use three different weapons, and now all of the sudden it is.
Edit: Oh Sorry, I forgot to mention that they are raising prices after a year of record profits!
Yes, 5% on most things after two years with 7% inflation and the whole brexit disaster. Shock and horror!
@@Stukov961 imagine justifying the price increase like a simp.
But no, it's not just 5%, GW has been sneakily increasing their prices for years, the only difference with the most recent hike is that the hike was so bad (some things are going up by 10-20%) that they HAD to announce it in order to lessen the PR blow.
But yeah, keep justifying constant price increases that frequently outpace the inflation excuse that GW is peddling and seems to have worked with you.
I thought drones didn't count for blast weapon calculations?
They probably forgot about that.
Both overwatch and move shoot move tactics should be nice and an important aspect of the game.
Overwatch should be a standard action, not cost CP, to allow to hold one or more shots to fire in the opponent's turn. For anything with two or more big guns it should be default to spread fire over turns. A simple mechanic would be to have each additional shot in the shooting phase reduce the attack characteristic by one and have unused attacks be used for overwatch (like action points in Battlesector).
Depending on the number of guns, attacks, movement and special rules the shots could have different modifiers.
A player must balance used firepower with anticipating enemy moves.
Tau could be king of this overwatch game, and opponents without good overwatch tactics should struggle against their move-shoot-move options. This makes it more about player skill than having and abusing unrealistic and possibly OP rules.
This would also prevent a player building around wonky rules to be nerfed every time they change. And not kinda force a player to become a munchkin to play competitively.
This would go well with borrowing rules from apocalypse games where you distribute damage markers but only resolve damage at the end of a phase/turn. This way everything has a chance to fire before it is destroyed.
I am sorry to ask but I am a total newbie and I am super confused. I have 3 crisis suits and don't plan to get more anytime soon. So what would be the best overall loadout for each of the three be? Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
Did you watch the video?
@@bowenflob8036 yes and I still don't get it.
@@clood0814 ok well, start on the slide where he lists all the different guns. From those you can choose up to 3 in any combination for each model. So for example you could have 3x flamers, or 2x flamers and and missile pod, etc. You would choose the weapons based on what things you want to kill. He lists each weapon's performance against typical models in the game: Imperial Gaurd, Space Marine, a typical vehicle, and a tough vehicle.
From there you can also choose a support system for each model but I'd say that's the advanced class.
If all else fails just follow the rule of cool! As long as you stick to max 3 weapons you'll be OK.
@@bowenflob8036 thank you so much! Now i get. I was stuck where it was about how many weapons each suit can equip. I thought that you can equip only one weapon per suit!
@@clood0814 no problem, happy gaming
just wish the cyclic ion blaster came in other kits instead of just the commander.
Aaaaaaah yeah!! 👀👀
Waiting for the farsite book.
you missed the 2 shot missile pod
I've been playing around with borkan and having a degenerate block of bodyguards just hide all game while a commander and firesight marksman get free shots all game. I dressed up the block of 3 guards with 2 frag launchers each and that prototype one that lowers morale is DISGUSTING. very very annoying for my friends
Losing the fourth hardpoint kills bodyguards for me. The bodyguard shenanigans are *useful* for sure but it's not very fun to lose the fourth slot for all your toys for it.
cmon like was it fair that you could have your fkn bodyguard unit be your best shooting unit at the same time. also bummed about it but it kinda makes sense at least
@@zaganim3813 It doesn't make sense, is the issue. There's nothing about them being a bodyguard that would cost them a hardpoint slot when you think about it.
If people think it'd be too good I'd rather they just nerf the bodyguard rule (because that rule very much is problematic!) or increase the cost.
@@ashisunblade You can easily find a reason. e.g. some kind of Defense Link or something that allows for ultra fast reaction times.
@@timiddrake it's a bit of a stretch, since other factions' bodyguard units do not need equipment for it.
Support Systems only affect the model its on, so systems like EWO would only allow the one model to fore overwatch on 5+ BS (not sure how this would interact with the free CP OW). For this reason, I think CDS might be usable in a large squad if you really need to mitigate damage from a high-damage weapon to the model carrying it. 9-)
It allows the whole unit to overwatch for 0cp, but only the model gets the 5+ to hit
I'm having trouble figuring what commanders work best with certain loadouts since all the commanders give different buffs now
It's an army of D.VA. take my money
This is some sexy ass math my man... though I like to do my own. Sorry ladies I am spoken for🤓
These seem absurdly cheap for how much you can get for them
The weapon thing is stupid. So much for getting Tau
The weapon thing is extremely fluffy and devastatingly versatile against a lot of targets that are a Space Marine. Or a Dreadnought.
So basically ... you field Tau ... you win lol
The large tournaments this weekend disagree with you.
Ngl this is a brainlet take :/
pretty much only rarely lose in points, but enemy army has 3-4 models left.. what fun XD
Inceptors cost 45-55 pts and are nowhere near as good as battlesuits...Yeah that sounds about right...
40 for bolter, 60 for plasma actually.
Why should Space Marines always be better at everything?
But... They shouldn't be as good. Lore wise or game wise.
And Crisis are usually 60-70ppm.
@@robssteven Not the point...I want everything to be equally good, not constantly shifting like it is now.
@@inquisitormalleus6435 They went up 5 pts since the last chapter approved ACTUALLY and plasma exterminators are 5 pts each. IK, math is hard ;) ACTUALLY :/
Can't wait to go to my next tournament and face this 4 times in a row...
The weapon cost just slows down the game and makes the unit inefficient. So dumb and annoying