Then but what does a bot or algorythm do with the accusation of "suspicious" it would now know you think sumthing is suspect but it wouldn't know why or what the reason was. System needs factual feedback . In indeffinate yes or no answers . When teaching this anticheat you can't tell it that 2+2 =4 and then tell it .. Well sometimes it's not 4 ... So how does the ai know when 2+2 really does = 4 if your teaching it data that contradicts that fact . There can be no verdict givin as anything even remotely close factual and justified if the answer can be "maybe" . What does a verdict of maybe get anyone? Not really anything. .. It needs fact or fiction to keep learning
Tom Shufeldt Thats exactly what AI (or Neural Networks) are for. They figure out why something is suspicious on their own. Thats the whole point of this technology...
Then why would it need help from humans telling it data that it can't do much with . It's better off figuring it out on its own them trying to decipher opinions of players that could be either from inexperienced sources of somon e just intentionally telling it miss information. It learns faster with he's or no answers then it does with maybes... That's why it you can't be sure 100% on overreach then you Mark the result as not enough evidence to convict. The system will figure out from there . The system knows what can and can't be done in game . It doesn't need maybes.
Btw OW bans are different than vac bans . VAC Bans are not mistakes and cannot be reversed because they don't screw up. I think there has been like 10 total reversed vac bans in the history of vac bans.. They are normally 100% fullproof
4:12 song text: oh, i'm on the way to a car dealership. my little Volkswagen isn't doing it any longer. I'll buy a huge Mercedes Benz instead and drive it like crazy. But unfortunately i don't have enough money. So i have to stick to my little VW.
Agreed - plus, the point of OW isn't necessarily to outright get cheaters banned, it's more geared towards training the algorithm to properly detect hackers. I think warowl made the right call
@@iandavison1199 so your saying that if you live far from a server and can't afford good internet you should get banned, maybe think about what it's like to not be a spoiled kid and get your head out of your ass
@@jayd2290 not everyone is spoiled kid? What does that have anything to do with this? I upgraded my internet plan and bought new VDSL2 router instead of my old which started to struggle after years of use. What does being spoiled have anything to do with this? You mean lazy person who doesnt work?
@@symix. Because most players are teens and probably don't have a job to improve their internet, or maybe their parents just don't want to, hence the guy calling him a spoiled kid. And what you have just said is the reason why Jay D even got to that point; not everyone has a stable internet connection.
Thanks, I thought about hiring an editor to increase my upload frequency, but I don't think the videos would be the same... I feel like the heart of the videos is in the editing.
A professional editor would notice and appreciate that of your editing style, incorporate it and compliment it. It's still a good idea as long as you find the right editor
the guy who went afk was the top fragger he fought well for his team their might be situation where his power supply or internet might cut of due to some reasons. so i think that guy must not get banned by grefing. but if a person who went afk for more than 75% of the match then we might think about greifing
I remember when you said "Valve if you catch a cheater, don't tell him. Put him to play against other cheaters instead" Valve watches WarOwl 97% confimed
It's all fun and games until a team full of anime pfps reports you and get you in light trust factor, where everyone is legit hacking, you call them out, they report you, and now you're in low trust factor HvH lobbies.
same happened to me except it was a bunch of kids in flying scoutsman who couldn't accept they lost (also in wingman but I made a 6 year old cry in flying scoutsman so it was probably that)
Why do people even call them out? Omg wallhack reported. What does that gonna do? If Im a cheater im jist gonna keep cheating since you already reported me
I would not ban someone for being afk for one round and being kicked. He got his ban anyways and it probaply wasn't his fault. I mean, who plays lots of rounds normally and then "griefs"
I think Vacnet is great. Comparing the amount of cheaters convicted through overwatch before and after vacnet proves that it works and that if you take time to review an overwatch case, there's a good chance that you'll actually get to report a cheater. It makes overwatch feel more rewarding/fulfilling when you're not wasting 80% of your time on bogus cases.
It's part of a fake record label called Neumond Records. It's part of the soundtrack for the game Wolfenstein: The New Order, where the producers tried to make alternate reality versions of many classic songs. Basicly how they would have sounded in case the nazis won the war as is the case in the game. The song is called "Mein kleiner VW".
I actually love the fact that Wingman was known as the officiall Hack vs Hack server until they implemented Overwatch for Wingman, probably a person who didnt even know that there are now cases for wingman
That laugh is so infectious! I really appreciated you going into more detail about these things (like the auto second target lock) Keep doin what you're doin! I never catch your streams unfortunately....
There is something therapeutic about watching hackers who ruins other peoples games get their own games ruined by people with better hacks to the point where they rage quit.
Now, I've been smurfing around low silver ranks purely for fun but came across cheaters. Wrecked them so badly they actually accused ME of cheating and rage quit the match. That felt pretty fucking hilarious.
@@mikekrzych There are always people that are sus, because it is hard to decide wehter they are cheating or just good. Those silvers must've been so bad, to them you looked sus. See it as a compliment, you played so well, you went past what they thought was humanly possible.
every warowl video has so much effort put into it. He could easily shell out sponsored videos every day and make 5x income but instead he just provides quality entertainment. You are a role model to my brent, luv ya :D
I think that sometimes when "the machine" look through matches, they should look through records of "the suspect" to determine if they are cheating or not. I'm used to be a Gold Nova Master but after months of not playing the game, I was ranked silver elite for my first match. Therefore, when I played multiple players were reporting me of cheating but I was put into the wrong rank
you seemed so much more happy in this video compared to your over ones recently also many cheats like to play against over cheaters and play mm to try and find other cheaters to "hvh" and see who has the better cheat so i guess some like having bad trustfactor
im not bothered if he reads it or not im just saying at anyone that cares and you replied and so you clearly cared enough to say something also fuck off with the emoji what are you 12?
pine Wowow you guys fired hard towards me huh. Can't share a tip nowadays on the internet anymore or you will get a shitload of hate... Trying to let me feel bad about myself. Luckily I've not been called a nazi yet. And emojis are suddenly not allowed on the youtube? Sorry my bad. I didn't know the exact YT comments code of 2018 man. Since when are emojis for 12 year olds only btw? Because all my friends and family are still using them. And they are atleast at the age of 25. I'm 29. So you know.
Well I was allready wondering why 6/6 of my last cases where obvious cheaters... seems like this stuff works. I still wonder why people would get banned in the first place... if they get busted, don't tell them and let them play against people who also got busted. If they smell the coffee and get a new account, it would just be as bad as if the person would have been banned right away EDIT: Well the reason is clear- money makes the decisions
Sooner or later they will start banning people based on VACNet but not yet. If there's even a 0.01% chance that a wrong person gets banned, that's stil 1 out of 10000 (thanks David!) gets banned innocent and that's way too much. For a company like Valve any false-positive ban is close to inacceptable. I'm pretty sure they will start rolling out auto-ban based on confidence. Like if VACNet is 99,999% sure it's a cheater, they can pretty safely ban. Everyhing below will go to overwatch. But confidence and precision will increase over time, thats how neural networks learn. Give it more stuff to learn and it'll do its job better and better.
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8 Kills, 3 deaths, round 7... I agree, looks like he went AFK for 1 round and either timed out, or got kicked. Maybe his internet shut off? Explains the high ping in the previous clip.
One of the worst and frustrating thing about hacking is theirs whole frickin TH-cam channels dedicated to them and theirs nothing we can do about it :/
The problem with trustfactor is, that if you are really good at your leauge and still get reported by braindeads, then you will match up with more cheaters in the enemyteam.
So those transition slides, the music is "Rex's Escape" form the Farcry 3 Blood Dragon soundtrack, not sure if anyone else was wondering, but you can thank me later.
I love Overwatch. It's cool to see Valve trust it's community of experienced players so much. And it's not lazy, since Valve simply doesn't have time to watch replays and make decisions and such and such, so it also really helps that players are able to do something like that.
Things DO change. believe it. it's hard when I'm depressed, cause my depressed mind deludes itself to think "it's always been so shitty. it will always be shitty." but really ... things change and you do too. good luck and keep walking.
That montage video of phoon bunnyhopping his way on some ludicrous flanks and connector rushes was one of the funniest things to come out of the CS:Source community. The frag clips were insane, and the (understandable) rage from his opponents was hilarious. "Admin! He's doing it sideways!" became an instant CS meme. Then, (arguably in response to that video) Valve patched out the exploit that made extended bunnyhopping reliably achievable without hacks. On the one hand, I was sad to see it go. It was a blast. On the other hand, patching that exploit lowered the skill floor and learning curve of CS, making it easier for the newbies coming into the player base - and ultimately making for a healthier player base overall.
I disagree, patching the insanity of bhopping in source when GO was released increased the learning curve. Bhopping is still very possible, it's just harder, and doesn't have the same payout. In source, if you were good enough at it, you could move at speeds that would give you an unfair advantage. Obviously most of the bhop montages from source were using a script, most montages from CS1.6 and source had some sort of external assistance. Every single pro player in 1.6 would cheat when they weren't at a lan event. Reducing the speed a bhop can reach is one of the best decisions valve has made with the game in terms of competitive gameplay. Too much for zblock is great though.
I think the one at 8:50 was, without a shadow of a doubt, a DC. It kinda makes sense with how the aim jittered; like a last sputter of net packets before a sudden bout of silence... but, just enough network activity for the server to _think_ they were still connected. They may not have been votekicked; they may have actually finally registered to the game as disconnected. It happened all the time back in my days of Garry's Mod scripting; sometimes the Lua causes the game to take a shit, and when you try to log back in, it tells you that it failed to connect because it couldn't verify your identity against the phantom-you still in the server.
u r hillarious mann.. great work u done there. btw is it true when you cant download ur mm that ur mm is being investigated? ive got some good mm that i cant download.
tldr: i think the new vac just unloads some overwatch time from reviewers but doesn't help with subtle cheaters still this won't solve the problem of subtle cheating which imho is even worse because of its ability to affect everything from mm to the pro scene. there is only hope but no evidence that this system can go from identifying obvious aim botters to identifying radar hackers or whatever. right now all it is doing is reducing the number of human review time on clear overwatch cases by using machine learning to boost 'low-hanging fruit' cases to a minimal number of human reviewers with good ratings but will regular feedback of human-labeled data into the model improve accuracy over time and eventually detect subtle cheats? or will it just be a nice tool for vac to have, simply because you don't really have to update any code in your model when cheats change or new cheats come out. the problem i see is that since the certainty level for banning someone in overwatch is not changing, humans previously spending time on banning obvious cheaters will waste time reviewing subtle cheaters they cannot ban for certain. hopefully valve has something up their sleeve and is serious about the pro scene.
During the presentation he said they want to focus on aimbots exclusively because of this: For deep learning to work you need to have recurring patterns: you have a starting point and a "final product" and deep learning tells you what's in between at the condition that you have lots of examples. This is not quite doable with WallHacks because most of the time there isn't even a starting point or a "final product" because you can use your WallHacks at anytime meanwhile an aimbot will be triggered when shooting which is easy to identify. BTW It's important to note that this VACNET thing is NOT directly related to VAC (other than the fact that it's an Anti Cheat made by Valve) and it CANNOT ban people by itself (yet) because Valve wants to make absolutely sure only cheaters are banned from their game. IMO the most obvious way to make it better RN and eventually capable of banning people autonomously is to record demos with higher tickrates (current demo tickrate is 32) but that would require A LOT more processing power (to record and scan the demos) which is quite expensive and power consuming etc...
He can't control his internet and maybe it's a once in a year thing, he just got reported a lot for it. I don't think anyone should be banned for high ping afk unless it's a frequent occurrence.
"we have a minigame in counter strike there's a hack v hack mode" wingman used to be hack v hack mode before they added overwatch to it. rip :( there's still a lot of hvh community servers
Probably predicts the position of the crosshair on an enemy behind some wall (and the amount of time it was near a player). It probably learned how to spot them via playtesters but then again, it probably mistaken some.
I have always wondered what has happened to warowl's day z series, and when I have tried to find it, all evidence of the series is gone. RIP, it was fun.
You can simply just use the chrome app to find it out yourself :) : chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/aha-music-music-identifie/dpacanjfikmhoddligfbehkpomnbgblf
The prevalence of cheaters makes me cry. I call upon the warowl diety to conscript me to a land of true effort and improvement for the sake of friendly competition. Sarcasm aside, I truly don't understand how a machine cannot determine automation from consecutive "snapshot" type kills of a spinbot based on the speed and accuracy of these ridiculously blatant hacks.. Am I missing something?
It can, I think you might be misunderstanding how vacnet works. Basically it watches all the matchmaking games, decides based on an algorithm if it thinks a guy is hacking, and if it meets that criteria it sends it off to overwatch. players then watch and decide if the guy was hacking or not using overwatch, and vacnet uses those results to correct the algorithm. the goal is to increase the amount of hackers sent to overwatch and reduce the desire to ragehack. Now its not a case of "oh my hack got found out, gotta wait for update or use something else" instead its "oh crap vacnet just caught my private cheat with the anti-report feature somehow, and then i tried to use a new one and that got caught too. i guess i can't do it anymore". However it only works for blatant hacks and is hopefully step-1 to an unobtrusive and effective anti-cheat system. at the moment, vac itself just isn't effective enough.
Yeah, I 100% understand how VACnet works, but I also 100% do not believe it would be that hard to track automation so clear and consistent as spinbotters have. Do you understand what I'm saying?
I'm sure your point here is that VACnet may do something similar to what I'm asking about in order to determine a likely candidate for overwatch, however, my suggestion is that clearly automated mouse movement (of the consistent spinbot variety vs the Flusha mouse lifting type movements even) should be Easily detectable.
LegacyFTW it is. Hence why they go to Overwatch. If you're wondering why vac net doesn't just instantly ban them, that's because machines may make a mistake but humans can check just in case. If it wasn't detected by vac, but was by vac net, it has to go to Overwatch first because vacnet is constantly in development and only knows spin botting is bad because when they send them to Overwatch they get convicted.
VACnet will catch a lot more than just spinbotting, it can catch any aimlocks and "Faster than human reaction times". However it's based upon 140 frags per user and is a statistical value, so if the cheater only occasionally uses the cheat they may be able to dodge the system.
How does one raise trust factor? I'm new, came over from valorant, and I seem to get put with a lot of wallers. I got prime and am practicing daily, maybe just time? Idk
What if this whole time . We think we are training overwatch but what if overwatch is actually perfect at finding cheaters but it just feeds people demos to see if they can spot a hacker .... And then goes on judging you after you judge it's demos......
I am VacNet! (high five to everyone who gets the classic film's reference). Good and super important video, thank you for making it! Btw: I think you should always mark Griefing when you spot a cheater, because their behavior is in fact anti-social and ruining the game.
it doesn't fall under the definition of griefing as stated in the results panel. griefing is for spinning in spawn and teamkilling, etc. - there are lighter bans for those caught griefing
Read the description of griefing provided in Overwatch: if you think that cheating isn't "disruptive, anti-competitive, and anti-social", well, then I don't know what cheats are. I believe that I'm in the right when I'm reporting cheaters for griefing as well as for cheats.
The point is that the majority of Overwatch reviewers share the view that griefing is for actions other than cheating, such as team-killing, repetitively flashing teammates, blocking teammates, and the like. Regardless of how you interpret the description, the difference between your responses and the responses of the majority of reviewers will count against you when determining how much to value your responses.
I reckon from what it looked like is that that last guy had their internet drop out or something similar as their ping spiked up just before going afk, he may have also got removed from the game for inactivity rather than getting kicked by the players. I think you made a good decision though, and having you explain vacnet was also helpful.
Please I need answer! If I use the software that comes with my mouse to to spam the jump button and make it easier to bunny hop is it then considered as cheating or against the rules? From overwatch I know that cheaters are using bhops often...
I think they should add a button or something to say "this part is suspicious" so the system can learn faster.
I've thought this for a while, it would probably help
Then but what does a bot or algorythm do with the accusation of "suspicious" it would now know you think sumthing is suspect but it wouldn't know why or what the reason was. System needs factual feedback . In indeffinate yes or no answers . When teaching this anticheat you can't tell it that 2+2 =4 and then tell it .. Well sometimes it's not 4 ... So how does the ai know when 2+2 really does = 4 if your teaching it data that contradicts that fact . There can be no verdict givin as anything even remotely close factual and justified if the answer can be "maybe" . What does a verdict of maybe get anyone? Not really anything. .. It needs fact or fiction to keep learning
Tom Shufeldt Thats exactly what AI (or Neural Networks) are for. They figure out why something is suspicious on their own. Thats the whole point of this technology...
Then why would it need help from humans telling it data that it can't do much with . It's better off figuring it out on its own them trying to decipher opinions of players that could be either from inexperienced sources of somon e just intentionally telling it miss information. It learns faster with he's or no answers then it does with maybes... That's why it you can't be sure 100% on overreach then you Mark the result as not enough evidence to convict. The system will figure out from there . The system knows what can and can't be done in game . It doesn't need maybes.
Btw OW bans are different than vac bans . VAC Bans are not mistakes and cannot be reversed because they don't screw up. I think there has been like 10 total reversed vac bans in the history of vac bans.. They are normally 100% fullproof
10:47 you had both your hands up and still clicked
WAROWL REPLY!
WE NEED ANSWERS
@@ikevermander1325 definitely a ghost.
Or warowl is hiding from us his telekinetic powers.
That definitely was his pet owl doin all his stuff for him
aimbot
3:14 "I haven't seen the aimbotting yet." - 100% HS, 259 ADR
Nobody Talking About May 2018 WHEN VACNET COME TO TEAM FORTRESS 2 ? ! +1
4:12
song text:
oh, i'm on the way to a car dealership.
my little Volkswagen isn't doing it any longer.
I'll buy a huge Mercedes Benz instead
and drive it like crazy.
But unfortunately i don't have enough money.
So i have to stick to my little VW.
flobb91 so what’s this songs name?
Idk but its german
The song is vw by mein kleiner
@@kifflom3494 th-cam.com/video/i7jWg-gHjgM/w-d-xo.html Hans- Mein kleiner VW
@@dzikidziad of course his name is hans lol
*"Admin! He's doing it sideways!"*
Nobody Talking About May 2018 WHEN VACNET COME TO TEAM FORTRESS 2 ? ! +1
The kid is bunnyhopping all the way from ivy, out middle and through our connector like a speed demon
warowl it's not a contraversial decision... your explanation was pretty much reasonable and I think your decision was a good one.
33shin33 I agree
Yep me too
Probably some kid whose parents pulled the plug.
Agreed - plus, the point of OW isn't necessarily to outright get cheaters banned, it's more geared towards training the algorithm to properly detect hackers. I think warowl made the right call
mayby he got a disconnect... i know those too good... man... with ma old internet i had games with ping 999 the whole time... couldnt do anything
The owl in "WarOwl" stands for OverWatchLeader
Nobody should get banned for unpurpesly going AFK
Ian Davison, you shouldnt get banned for losing internet connection MID game.
Ian Davison
You’re dumb, if they have perfectly okay internet going into the game and lag MID GAME, IT IS NOT THEIR FAULT
@@iandavison1199 so your saying that if you live far from a server and can't afford good internet you should get banned, maybe think about what it's like to not be a spoiled kid and get your head out of your ass
@@jayd2290 not everyone is spoiled kid? What does that have anything to do with this? I upgraded my internet plan and bought new VDSL2 router instead of my old which started to struggle after years of use. What does being spoiled have anything to do with this? You mean lazy person who doesnt work?
@@symix. Because most players are teens and probably don't have a job to improve their internet, or maybe their parents just don't want to, hence the guy calling him a spoiled kid. And what you have just said is the reason why Jay D even got to that point; not everyone has a stable internet connection.
usually i dont leave any comments on the videos, but this one was well made, really enjoyed it
So you're saying.... his other videos suck?
Especially the Green Hill Zone Sound during the first case. That was On-Point.
so does that mean all other videos suck?
Warowl it seems that you put a lot of work into editing your videos and thats awesome bro. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, I thought about hiring an editor to increase my upload frequency, but I don't think the videos would be the same... I feel like the heart of the videos is in the editing.
TheWarOwl I think you're right, the editing make your video really good
A professional editor would notice and appreciate that of your editing style, incorporate it and compliment it. It's still a good idea as long as you find the right editor
What if you hire a content creator and do the editing yourself instead? XD
Nope, it's definitely the chair. The chair is the star here.
"Stop all the downloading!"
G.I. Joe PSA reference in 2018? YES
"Admin, he is doing it sideways!" Oh, good old times WarOwl :DD
the guy who went afk was the top fragger he fought well for his team their might be situation where his power supply or internet might cut of due to some reasons. so i think that guy must not get banned by grefing. but if a person who went afk for more than 75% of the match then we might think about greifing
still probs banned.
should still get couple of hours ban
Could say he already did his part and some real life thing got him at the end before he could finish the last round.
This is cool and everything but please bring detective Noir Smart back on these cases!
Must be joking right ?
Hey, someone who also like the noir style OW vid
tf
8:50 His internet may have crapped out.
"Ich mach mich auf den Weg zu nem Autohändler..." xD best Part ever
It was a nice touch
Hab mich weggeschmissen :,D
I remember when you said "Valve if you catch a cheater, don't tell him. Put him to play against other cheaters instead"
Valve watches WarOwl 97% confimed
They have patched several glitches and exploits hours after WarOwl's videos went live so....yeah you're right
VikingPotatoes they must dig the music
Nihilistic Depths valve doesn’t make money that way so FeelsBadMan
Yeah why ban him and his inventory...
HE IS VACNET!
The VW song was ridiculous! Where´d you get that?
Haha I told myself the same thing ! We want names !
yeah?
that german car song anyone know the name of it?
Mein kleiner VW - Hans
From Wolfenstein!
im german that was unexoected as fuck :o
It's all fun and games until a team full of anime pfps reports you and get you in light trust factor, where everyone is legit hacking, you call them out, they report you, and now you're in low trust factor HvH lobbies.
Twatical lol classic CS community
Do overwatch cases accurately and your trust factor will probably go up as a result.
same happened to me except it was a bunch of kids in flying scoutsman who couldn't accept they lost (also in wingman but I made a 6 year old cry in flying scoutsman so it was probably that)
Why do people even call them out? Omg wallhack reported. What does that gonna do? If Im a cheater im jist gonna keep cheating since you already reported me
At that age they shouldn't even play a game with shooting and terrorists and stuff.
I love how you get the classic sonic music everytime there's a spinbotter, never gets old :D
Woah woah woah. I just realized somethin.
OW (overwatched) reversed is WO.
WarOwl’s initials is WO.
So it is confirmed that WarOwl is *overwatch*
even that face confirms it
Hey It's Me!!
OverwatchOwl
OwO whats this
Stay away from the ganja man
OverwatchWarOwl = OwO
I would not ban someone for being afk for one round and being kicked. He got his ban anyways and it probaply wasn't his fault. I mean, who plays lots of rounds normally and then "griefs"
Tewan ye you are right he probably got busy or something it's a dick move to even think of banning him really
Or maybe it was just his internet that pooped out but the game thought he was connected for a while?
Lukas G
Or tried to shut down a download or trying to fix lag ?
I am a Voluntary firefighter if i get a call i would leave cs:go running too.
I wouldn't for sure, i just ban for grief only who kill the bot to take the negev and destroying his silver mate's dreams
I think Vacnet is great. Comparing the amount of cheaters convicted through overwatch before and after vacnet proves that it works and that if you take time to review an overwatch case, there's a good chance that you'll actually get to report a cheater. It makes overwatch feel more rewarding/fulfilling when you're not wasting 80% of your time on bogus cases.
Also means that the lowest of the low cheaters like literally hiding their walls so well would never get caught
blackbird is the kinda teammate i like sure he sucks at shooting but he never gives up and thats nice.
Dat German song tho
What's the name?
Feels kinda out of place when you understand the lyrics.
Hans - Mein kleiner VW
It's a promotion song for Wolfenstein: The New Order
ich bin deutscher so sind wir nun mal druff
It's part of a fake record label called Neumond Records. It's part of the soundtrack for the game Wolfenstein: The New Order, where the producers tried to make alternate reality versions of many classic songs. Basicly how they would have sounded in case the nazis won the war as is the case in the game. The song is called "Mein kleiner VW".
Ragehacks...on a wingman...a new low has been found
I actually love the fact that Wingman was known as the officiall Hack vs Hack server until they implemented Overwatch for Wingman, probably a person who didnt even know that there are now cases for wingman
Nah being weeb is still worse
Oh shit. Burn of da year. And its Mr. AnimeFag to u
That laugh is so infectious! I really appreciated you going into more detail about these things (like the auto second target lock) Keep doin what you're doin! I never catch your streams unfortunately....
10:50 his hands are off his mouse but he's filling out the overwatch report
Skynet taking over his systems. It proves he is the First Terminator
Brent isn’t the hero who we deserve, but he is the one we need
10:48
only vacnet can move a mouse without their hands
WarOwl you've been the first youtuber I subbed since I started playing CS,love your vids, keep up the good work
Dude I'm so happy u got to 1 million but u def deserve more than that man. Videos are always great!
There is something therapeutic about watching hackers who ruins other peoples games get their own games ruined by people with better hacks to the point where they rage quit.
Now, I've been smurfing around low silver ranks purely for fun but came across cheaters. Wrecked them so badly they actually accused ME of cheating and rage quit the match. That felt pretty fucking hilarious.
@@mikekrzych There are always people that are sus, because it is hard to decide wehter they are cheating or just good.
Those silvers must've been so bad, to them you looked sus.
See it as a compliment, you played so well, you went past what they thought was humanly possible.
every warowl video has so much effort put into it. He could easily shell out sponsored videos every day and make 5x income but instead he just provides quality entertainment. You are a role model to my brent, luv ya :D
this is the kind of positivity I like to see. WarOwl, thanks for helping build this kind of community.
I think that sometimes when "the machine" look through matches, they should look through records of "the suspect" to determine if they are cheating or not. I'm used to be a Gold Nova Master but after months of not playing the game, I was ranked silver elite for my first match. Therefore, when I played multiple players were reporting me of cheating but I was put into the wrong rank
This one tickled my funny bone really good. Thanks For being you WarOwl, your videos always bring a smile to my face.
Clicked faster than my flickshots
Or your aimlock shots
oh i almost MISSED IT
Are you boltz?
you seemed so much more happy in this video compared to your over ones recently
also many cheats like to play against over cheaters and play mm to try and find other cheaters to "hvh" and see who has the better cheat so i guess some like having bad trustfactor
pine Cool story, much grammar, wow. Try using capital letters and dots/commas and 1 day mr.WarOwl might read your comment for once. 😅
im not bothered if he reads it or not im just saying at anyone that cares and you replied and so you clearly cared enough to say something also fuck off with the emoji what are you 12?
and wtf is a "dot"
bartterp88 you just unironically used the "doge meme" in 2018. How do you feel?
pine Wowow you guys fired hard towards me huh. Can't share a tip nowadays on the internet anymore or you will get a shitload of hate... Trying to let me feel bad about myself. Luckily I've not been called a nazi yet.
And emojis are suddenly not allowed on the youtube? Sorry my bad. I didn't know the exact YT comments code of 2018 man. Since when are emojis for 12 year olds only btw? Because all my friends and family are still using them. And they are atleast at the age of 25. I'm 29. So you know.
6:16 Didn't realize this was a phoon-related quote when I first saw this.
Good work, and thanks for spreading the word on VACnet.
Also I enjoyed watching your coverage and commentary of these cases.
Well I was allready wondering why 6/6 of my last cases where obvious cheaters... seems like this stuff works.
I still wonder why people would get banned in the first place... if they get busted, don't tell them and let them play against people who also got busted. If they smell the coffee and get a new account, it would just be as bad as if the person would have been banned right away
EDIT: Well the reason is clear- money makes the decisions
Sine Metu It will put their new accounts in low trust games anyway
Sine Metu ii
Sooner or later they will start banning people based on VACNet but not yet. If there's even a 0.01% chance that a wrong person gets banned, that's stil 1 out of 10000 (thanks David!) gets banned innocent and that's way too much. For a company like Valve any false-positive ban is close to inacceptable.
I'm pretty sure they will start rolling out auto-ban based on confidence. Like if VACNet is 99,999% sure it's a cheater, they can pretty safely ban. Everyhing below will go to overwatch.
But confidence and precision will increase over time, thats how neural networks learn. Give it more stuff to learn and it'll do its job better and better.
0.01% is 1 out of 10,000, not 1000.
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8 Kills, 3 deaths, round 7... I agree, looks like he went AFK for 1 round and either timed out, or got kicked. Maybe his internet shut off? Explains the high ping in the previous clip.
Looks like 2 rounds on the map. 3-3 to 3-5 Maybe they just reported him or maybe they kicked him. How long is a clip?
Loved the retro/Hotline Miami theme you put on the video
Well done, Warowl! Your vids are getting better with each upload )
10:48 makes a verdict without any hands on the mouse. VAC!
i think the last part was recorded after the game was recorded
NicoO0Oo1 look mom, no hands
One of the worst and frustrating thing about hacking is theirs whole frickin TH-cam channels dedicated to them and theirs nothing we can do about it :/
Gordon Freeman i feel you bro that thing is cancer
I'd like to mention that I like Terminator reference and his realization that he is part of the VAC
The problem with trustfactor is, that if you are really good at your leauge and still get reported by braindeads, then you will match up with more cheaters in the enemyteam.
MsG cheater instantly report all thst legits allways play agains cheater
His mom called him thats why he went afk.
6:16 bhop with "w" XDDD
The last clip with the chair, that's the closer, right there dude.
So those transition slides, the music is "Rex's Escape" form the Farcry 3 Blood Dragon soundtrack, not sure if anyone else was wondering, but you can thank me later.
Holy cow 7:59 WarOwl, was that a gi joe dub clip? "Hey kid, I'm a computer!" xD
I totally love that phoon reference xDD
I love your overwatch series !
First time i see well made Overwatch video
I love Overwatch. It's cool to see Valve trust it's community of experienced players so much. And it's not lazy, since Valve simply doesn't have time to watch replays and make decisions and such and such, so it also really helps that players are able to do something like that.
i am depression
me too
Things DO change. believe it. it's hard when I'm depressed, cause my depressed mind deludes itself to think "it's always been so shitty. it will always be shitty." but really ... things change and you do too. good luck and keep walking.
i want to die you will get better, trust me. just don't give up early, time heals.
i want to die I AM HOW TO BASIC
I dont want to live
Great video! I'm particularly impressed how you managed to click in the overwatch resolution and submit verdict without looking :0
Warowl, as a german, I loved your choice of music at the jump scout part
6:15 I just HAD to look that up. So funny.
Search phoon on YT it's just 1 video left of him...
😢😢😢😢
That montage video of phoon bunnyhopping his way on some ludicrous flanks and connector rushes was one of the funniest things to come out of the CS:Source community. The frag clips were insane, and the (understandable) rage from his opponents was hilarious. "Admin! He's doing it sideways!" became an instant CS meme. Then, (arguably in response to that video) Valve patched out the exploit that made extended bunnyhopping reliably achievable without hacks.
On the one hand, I was sad to see it go. It was a blast. On the other hand, patching that exploit lowered the skill floor and learning curve of CS, making it easier for the newbies coming into the player base - and ultimately making for a healthier player base overall.
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I disagree, patching the insanity of bhopping in source when GO was released increased the learning curve. Bhopping is still very possible, it's just harder, and doesn't have the same payout. In source, if you were good enough at it, you could move at speeds that would give you an unfair advantage. Obviously most of the bhop montages from source were using a script, most montages from CS1.6 and source had some sort of external assistance. Every single pro player in 1.6 would cheat when they weren't at a lan event. Reducing the speed a bhop can reach is one of the best decisions valve has made with the game in terms of competitive gameplay. Too much for zblock is great though.
did he just quote from phoon's video?
"admin he is doing it sideways"
wasnt that obvious?
It’s a common cs meme lol
Yeah, that's a classic meme
technically it wasnt even sideways
Thé à la Menthe just started playing in my mind.
I have watched this video like 7 times already. Probably one of your best!
I think the one at 8:50 was, without a shadow of a doubt, a DC. It kinda makes sense with how the aim jittered; like a last sputter of net packets before a sudden bout of silence... but, just enough network activity for the server to _think_ they were still connected. They may not have been votekicked; they may have actually finally registered to the game as disconnected. It happened all the time back in my days of Garry's Mod scripting; sometimes the Lua causes the game to take a shit, and when you try to log back in, it tells you that it failed to connect because it couldn't verify your identity against the phantom-you still in the server.
VAC CONNEEEEECT!
No! im VACNET!
u r hillarious mann.. great work u done there. btw is it true when you cant download ur mm that ur mm is being investigated? ive got some good mm that i cant download.
Love the endings of your videos but this one had the best ending i think with u spinning in the chair and then falling XD
Vac is wack
And its back
lmao
I hope he'll be back
tldr: i think the new vac just unloads some overwatch time from reviewers but doesn't help with subtle cheaters
still this won't solve the problem of subtle cheating which imho is even worse because of its ability to affect everything from mm to the pro scene.
there is only hope but no evidence that this system can go from identifying obvious aim botters to identifying radar hackers or whatever.
right now all it is doing is reducing the number of human review time on clear overwatch cases by using machine learning to boost 'low-hanging fruit' cases to a minimal number of human reviewers with good ratings
but will regular feedback of human-labeled data into the model improve accuracy over time and eventually detect subtle cheats? or will it just be a nice tool for vac to have, simply because you don't really have to update any code in your model when cheats change or new cheats come out.
the problem i see is that since the certainty level for banning someone in overwatch is not changing, humans previously spending time on banning obvious cheaters will waste time reviewing subtle cheaters they cannot ban for certain.
hopefully valve has something up their sleeve and is serious about the pro scene.
During the presentation he said they want to focus on aimbots exclusively because of this:
For deep learning to work you need to have recurring patterns: you have a starting point and a "final product" and deep learning tells you what's in between at the condition that you have lots of examples. This is not quite doable with WallHacks because most of the time there isn't even a starting point or a "final product" because you can use your WallHacks at anytime meanwhile an aimbot will be triggered when shooting which is easy to identify.
BTW It's important to note that this VACNET thing is NOT directly related to VAC (other than the fact that it's an Anti Cheat made by Valve) and it CANNOT ban people by itself (yet) because Valve wants to make absolutely sure only cheaters are banned from their game.
IMO the most obvious way to make it better RN and eventually capable of banning people autonomously is to record demos with higher tickrates (current demo tickrate is 32) but that would require A LOT more processing power (to record and scan the demos) which is quite expensive and power consuming etc...
VAC is wacc
And its bacc
Wait... Wait... I just heard my name!
What is better to use, trust factor? Or exlusivly prime matchmaking?
0:48 the sonic theme is a nice touch
He can't control his internet and maybe it's a once in a year thing, he just got reported a lot for it. I don't think anyone should be banned for high ping afk unless it's a frequent occurrence.
"we have a minigame in counter strike there's a hack v hack mode"
wingman used to be hack v hack mode before they added overwatch to it. rip :(
there's still a lot of hvh community servers
lol
I like it how you use your mouse while doing that "superman stuf" at 10:48
The vids have been great man. Keep up the work.
Oh hey! At the beginning there's Ricochet.
0:49 I can spin that fast with my touch screen
Lol same I have a touchscreen HP pavilion laptop
'He is doing it sideways' -WarOwl 2k18
Thanks WarOwl. I noticed a huge uptick in VAC/OW banned cheaters on my matches since April 7th, and it looks like I have you to thank.
How does overwatch predict subtle wall hacks?
Probably predicts the position of the crosshair on an enemy behind some wall (and the amount of time it was near a player). It probably learned how to spot them via playtesters but then again, it probably mistaken some.
Yes war0wl content
Oh my gosh, its Ricochet! I only played that game for like 13 minutes but I remember the stage!
I have always wondered what has happened to warowl's day z series, and when I have tried to find it, all evidence of the series is gone.
RIP, it was fun.
what i've heard, i think HvH is an enjoyable expirence for cheaters
HvH nospread was the most fun i had in csgo
damn i want to know that german song
Mein kleiner vw, hans (wolfenstein)
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You can simply just use the chrome app to find it out yourself :) :
chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/aha-music-music-identifie/dpacanjfikmhoddligfbehkpomnbgblf
7:58 It's an older meme sir, but it checks out.
♪ GI JOE ♪
Anyone notice that flute is also from the how to catch a cheater vid?
i do really need the song at 8:01
Recollection ~ Brokenhearted Maya
It's from the game Ace Attorney: Phoenix Wright OST
Thank me later ;)
no, im just gonna thank you now, thank you very much!
Watching this Video and realized after 7 minutes, that im hearing a german song in an english video...
btw. greetings from germany :D
I feel so bad cause even thou i dont play cs my user for a lot of games is blackbird lol
That phoon reference was solid gold.
Now I finally get the Ricochet reference
I watched an ad for you
The prevalence of cheaters makes me cry. I call upon the warowl diety to conscript me to a land of true effort and improvement for the sake of friendly competition. Sarcasm aside, I truly don't understand how a machine cannot determine automation from consecutive "snapshot" type kills of a spinbot based on the speed and accuracy of these ridiculously blatant hacks.. Am I missing something?
It can, I think you might be misunderstanding how vacnet works. Basically it watches all the matchmaking games, decides based on an algorithm if it thinks a guy is hacking, and if it meets that criteria it sends it off to overwatch. players then watch and decide if the guy was hacking or not using overwatch, and vacnet uses those results to correct the algorithm. the goal is to increase the amount of hackers sent to overwatch and reduce the desire to ragehack.
Now its not a case of "oh my hack got found out, gotta wait for update or use something else" instead its "oh crap vacnet just caught my private cheat with the anti-report feature somehow, and then i tried to use a new one and that got caught too. i guess i can't do it anymore".
However it only works for blatant hacks and is hopefully step-1 to an unobtrusive and effective anti-cheat system. at the moment, vac itself just isn't effective enough.
Yeah, I 100% understand how VACnet works, but I also 100% do not believe it would be that hard to track automation so clear and consistent as spinbotters have. Do you understand what I'm saying?
I'm sure your point here is that VACnet may do something similar to what I'm asking about in order to determine a likely candidate for overwatch, however, my suggestion is that clearly automated mouse movement (of the consistent spinbot variety vs the Flusha mouse lifting type movements even) should be Easily detectable.
LegacyFTW it is. Hence why they go to Overwatch. If you're wondering why vac net doesn't just instantly ban them, that's because machines may make a mistake but humans can check just in case. If it wasn't detected by vac, but was by vac net, it has to go to Overwatch first because vacnet is constantly in development and only knows spin botting is bad because when they send them to Overwatch they get convicted.
VACnet will catch a lot more than just spinbotting, it can catch any aimlocks and "Faster than human reaction times". However it's based upon 140 frags per user and is a statistical value, so if the cheater only occasionally uses the cheat they may be able to dodge the system.
How does one raise trust factor? I'm new, came over from valorant, and I seem to get put with a lot of wallers.
I got prime and am practicing daily, maybe just time? Idk
So how do reports in game work now with vacnet? Is it still the usual 10 reports get you to overwatch, or something different? Love your videos man.
What if this whole time . We think we are training overwatch but what if overwatch is actually perfect at finding cheaters but it just feeds people demos to see if they can spot a hacker .... And then goes on judging you after you judge it's demos......
I am VacNet! (high five to everyone who gets the classic film's reference). Good and super important video, thank you for making it!
Btw: I think you should always mark Griefing when you spot a cheater, because their behavior is in fact anti-social and ruining the game.
it doesn't fall under the definition of griefing as stated in the results panel.
griefing is for spinning in spawn and teamkilling, etc. - there are lighter bans for those caught griefing
FryTV true, but they are gonna get baned anyways😊
Incorrect choices lower your overwatch rating, meaning that your decisions aren't valued as highly.
Read the description of griefing provided in Overwatch: if you think that cheating isn't "disruptive, anti-competitive, and anti-social", well, then I don't know what cheats are. I believe that I'm in the right when I'm reporting cheaters for griefing as well as for cheats.
The point is that the majority of Overwatch reviewers share the view that griefing is for actions other than cheating, such as team-killing, repetitively flashing teammates, blocking teammates, and the like. Regardless of how you interpret the description, the difference between your responses and the responses of the majority of reviewers will count against you when determining how much to value your responses.
I reckon from what it looked like is that that last guy had their internet drop out or something similar as their ping spiked up just before going afk, he may have also got removed from the game for inactivity rather than getting kicked by the players. I think you made a good decision though, and having you explain vacnet was also helpful.
Please I need answer! If I use the software that comes with my mouse to to spam the jump button and make it easier to bunny hop is it then considered as cheating or against the rules? From overwatch I know that cheaters are using bhops often...