Don't you think that the surname Payable was just a nickname given to William or his Dad or Grandfather (jobs running in families), that became the official surname of the local taxman a bit like any occupational surname? isn't Levy a very similar surname in meaning?
Brilliant as ever ! A silly memory to share with regard to names and jobs. Many years ago I lived in the London Borough of Hillingdon and at the time the Borough Treasurer who signed the Rate (Council Tax) demand was a certain Mr B Quick :)
The peasantry being upset at their feudal overlords was assuredly the norm, not the exception. Things didn't go suddenly bad for peasants, things went worse which elicited the revolt. And there was violence inherent in the revolt because they were revolting against violence that was inherent in the system.
Absolutely. Ted Heath was a character. His flight got turbulence and a lady collapsed on the Floor. Ted Screamed bring Brandy for Gods sake then he drank it. Sausage nothing interesting there just knee blisters and looking up to lord Ali standing like Nelson
Isnt that just us looking at it from our own 21st century lense? For them, that was life, they had no idea or thought of anything different I'd imagine because that's all they had ever known and all their ancestors had known. And violence and death was a part of life like it is now in certain parts of the world. Humans are highly adaptable.
Violence was inherent in life. Stop judging historic figures on today's moral compass. It can't and shouldn't ever be done other than to show how far people and systems of government have come
Ever since, the ruling classes across the anglo-west have avoided allowing this to happen again and we've seen many a 'Wat Tyler' make similar mistakes and get out-played by underestimating the ruthlessness of the ruling class.
The "peasantry" of England has also been quite more free than most others since then, probably the "most free" in Europe with the exception of parts of the Alps and Scandinavia.
I am reminded that when the king was told that the peasants were revolting, he simply shook his head a moaned 'Why don't you tell me something I don't know?' Great stuff gents.
What a repulsive response to something utterly prescient. 👏 your kind really are ignorant aren't you? Not because you've missed out on education. Because you haven't 😂
After all these years, the book, missing out on tickets when you were in Sydney! You do not look how I imagined. Thank you for the fantastic podcast. (Loved the series on countries from the World Cup)
The word peasant had a different meaning in the middle ages, many peasants were land owners, skilled artisans and business owners, many were educated and relatively wealthy.
What makes a peasant, a peasant then? 😂 Not assuming you’re wrong, just curious about if peasants (some) owned land/property, were wealthy, owned businesses, etc., then wouldn’t that essentially be the same as a Lord? Or whatever terms used for the next social class above them? If so, what were actual peasants as we know them to be, called? What makes your idea of peasants different from Lords/Baron/etc.? 🤯😭
@@mikenite8869 medieval society was a lot more varied than often thought. And in this period a lot of old distinctions were breaking down or becoming redundant. For instance you might hold some land by a free tenure, other land by villeinage.
Technically, anyone not a member of the nobility or the clergy was a peasant. While most peasants would have farmed for a living, on land owned by a noble person or a clergyman, some peasants were merchants, craftspersons, or other skilled laborers.
In Scarborough, which regular contact by sea through trade etc with London, in 1381 when news of the 'Peasants Revolt' was learned, rising of the people also occurred. But far from being peasants it was the disaffected 'middling' sort of people who rampaged through the streets damaging property & causing mayhem. The leaders of the riotous mob however were not 'Peasants' but Burghers, businessmen, tradesmen, merchants & artisans, but with a particular axe of their own to grind. This was because the managing Council of the town was largely dominated by an almost hereditary & tiny core group of families, who of course favoured friends & family when it came to the economic & business affairs of the town. For this reason the rebels targeted particular people & properties connected to the dominant ruling group, & while doing so, to avoid recognition, they wore hoods, similar to those which the much later KKK would wear.
Would like a podcast on Kett's Rebellion, please. Now that one really was close. The monarchy only saved the day by bringing in Italian Mercenaries. Nearly got 'em! One day....
Ahh, an episode I've been waiting for, presented by my history chums across the pond. This one is well timed considering the current attitude between us peasants and the ruling class. Will enjoy this as i eat my porridge and gruel, before a day in the salt mines serving my masters😮
Tom Holland is using the words Peasants and Serfs interchangeably in this video time code 20:20. Are they at this period in English history the same by definition? By how he describes their rights and obligations I would say he's talking about serfs whereas peasants tended to have a stronger position in society and their local lords couldn't control them the same way. I know that in Scandinavia the peasant class were immensely strong by comparison to the peasant class on the European continent who tended to be serfs.
Dominic suggests that the manifesto of the rebels could also be viewed as a precursor to Protestantism. Although Tom has shown that the story of John Ball could not have happened as it was portrayed, it does not alter the fact that he was a radical. Where did he acquire his radicalism? Could there be a link between Ball and John Wycliffe, leader of the Lollards, who was also attacking the wealth of the Church and calling for the translation of the Bible into the vernacular? All at about this time.
I think that chronology is a little off. If I remember correctly, Wycliffe becomes notorious a few years later, after Ball has, er, left the scene. Also, if memory serves, that unpopular John of Gaunt fellow was actually Wycliffe's patron (which is important for Wycliffe's story - that his patron was not the king or the church hierarchy).
A pre curser to Protestantism? Let me break this down in etym. You’re aware that a Christian Protestant means only that you protest? I’ve got a Mormon, a Baptist & and a Filipino church of Christ all laughing at you and asking for the commonality between them all? Sit down.
Maybe I’m getting this wrong but why would anyone imply that the ruling class were the innocents ones in this situation? As if slavery and serfdom was moral?
Loving these two and their presentations, although one would not expect either to be massive supporters of socialism or sympathetic to the struggles of the common people.
As an American viewer, I appreciate your diligence in providing clarification on minor points. ie. “They (The Commons) we’re made up of JPs”. I immediately thought, “like JP Morgan?” Would not have landed on Justices of the Peace. Next your gonna tell me MP stands for Member of Parliament and not Military Police. 🎉Cultural differences!🎉
Love you guys! Is massive income inequality just the way of the western world? We find ourselves, distressingly, in much the same boat these days, with billionaires buying the political class.
I've seen the bald guy in a lot of programs particularly on the BritishBullShit station. He's a hard right winger who will say anything in sympathy with wealth and power. You can watch him defending Margaret Thatcher without reservation. A woman who came into office promising to bring unity and harmony to Britain. Then began a campaign of neolibralism that led directly to the $35 trillion debt in the US with 45 million Americans unable to access basic health care, and 15 million Brits already on there way to that fate. Of course if you allow only the wealthy and powerful into your top office very soon your working class will be emiserated and desperate, and eventually your middleclass, by virtue of their assets, will be the next target. Trickle down was the neolibral mantra if you remember. 'Pour up' was the reality. The 1% have enjoyed huge financial gains at the same rate as nations have plunged into existential debt. And I do mean existential. The answer to the coming Great Revolt is of course the Clot Shot given to an estimated 1 billion westerners. Dead people cannot revolt can they. Nor the sick 😈💀 My advice would be to read England Arise by Juliet Barker for a scholarly account of what happens when corruption takes precedence of decency
The Pedants' Revolt:
'I had expected there would be less of you...'
'FEWER!'
This is very clever
Stannis the mannis
*Pedant's
@@nomadpurple6154 i stand pedantically corrected.
Banger of an episode! Keep it up! Live from 🇺🇸
how did that woodstock go?
Just to learn about Bill Payable was worth a listen.
Don't you think that the surname Payable was just a nickname given to William or his Dad or Grandfather (jobs running in families), that became the official surname of the local taxman a bit like any occupational surname? isn't Levy a very similar surname in meaning?
About time , been waiting years for this
Brilliant as ever ! A silly memory to share with regard to names and jobs. Many years ago I lived in the London Borough of Hillingdon and at the time the Borough Treasurer who signed the Rate (Council Tax) demand was a certain Mr B Quick :)
My sister had a Chinese dentist called...Mr Ow.
My Japanese exwife’s name was Sosuumi
Too bad Stanley Kubrick is dead as that would be a great name for a character. I’m thinking “Clockwork” or “Strangelove.”
@@thomasdonovan3580I hope the divorce didn’t break you financially and otherwise.
Nothing short of Brilliant; the man is a model Historian.
Did not know i could watch these ! Been listening the last few months
The peasantry being upset at their feudal overlords was assuredly the norm, not the exception. Things didn't go suddenly bad for peasants, things went worse which elicited the revolt.
And there was violence inherent in the revolt because they were revolting against violence that was inherent in the system.
Absolutely. Ted Heath was a character. His flight got turbulence and a lady collapsed on the Floor. Ted Screamed bring Brandy for Gods sake then he drank it. Sausage nothing interesting there just knee blisters and looking up to lord Ali standing like Nelson
Isnt that just us looking at it from our own 21st century lense? For them, that was life, they had no idea or thought of anything different I'd imagine because that's all they had ever known and all their ancestors had known. And violence and death was a part of life like it is now in certain parts of the world. Humans are highly adaptable.
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
Violence was inherent in life. Stop judging historic figures on today's moral compass. It can't and shouldn't ever be done other than to show how far people and systems of government have come
Ever since, the ruling classes across the anglo-west have avoided allowing this to happen again and we've seen many a 'Wat Tyler' make similar mistakes and get out-played by underestimating the ruthlessness of the ruling class.
Yes, the skivers are still lording over us. Earls, lords, Barons, Viscounts, Princes, Dukes, etc, are still entrenched.
The "peasantry" of England has also been quite more free than most others since then, probably the "most free" in Europe with the exception of parts of the Alps and Scandinavia.
@@andersbjrnsen7203 absolutely, concessions are part of the many contradictions of historical human development
“Well I didn’t vote for you!”
“If I told you that I was king because some moisten tart threw a simitar at me *They’d put me away!”*
I am reminded that when the king was told that the peasants were revolting, he simply shook his head a moaned 'Why don't you tell me something I don't know?'
Great stuff gents.
I get it now..
What a repulsive response to something utterly prescient. 👏 your kind really are ignorant aren't you? Not because you've missed out on education. Because you haven't 😂
After all these years, the book, missing out on tickets when you were in Sydney! You do not look how I imagined. Thank you for the fantastic podcast. (Loved the series on countries from the World Cup)
Lovely work gents
Have I heard, in the initial few minutes, the inspiration for Shakespeare’s ‘kill the lawyers’?
Great job, fellas.
Looking forward to how this cliff hanger works out - not looking good for Richard II...
Brilliant podcast
These videos are back to front on the playlist
I have been looking for any reference on William Payable, could you provide me with?
Dominic spends the whole episode thinking up how to work the content into the advert for the Rest is History club and it never fails to amuse me 😂
The word peasant had a different meaning in the middle ages, many peasants were land owners, skilled artisans and business owners, many were educated and relatively wealthy.
There's a lot of loose terminology here
What makes a peasant, a peasant then? 😂
Not assuming you’re wrong, just curious about if peasants (some) owned land/property, were wealthy, owned businesses, etc., then wouldn’t that essentially be the same as a Lord? Or whatever terms used for the next social class above them?
If so, what were actual peasants as we know them to be, called? What makes your idea of peasants different from Lords/Baron/etc.? 🤯😭
@@mikenite8869 medieval society was a lot more varied than often thought. And in this period a lot of old distinctions were breaking down or becoming redundant. For instance you might hold some land by a free tenure, other land by villeinage.
Technically, anyone not a member of the nobility or the clergy was a peasant. While most peasants would have farmed for a living, on land owned by a noble person or a clergyman, some peasants were merchants, craftspersons, or other skilled laborers.
So perhaps "commoners" would be the term we would use?
So, the storm clouds finally broke sinking the ship of the desert?
Which stirred up a straw which was ignited and caused it to pass through the eye of a needle despite it's infirmity.
Men of Kent … Kentish Men … so negligently thrown out there as absolute synonyms! 😢
In Scarborough, which regular contact by sea through trade etc with London, in 1381 when news of the 'Peasants Revolt' was learned, rising of the people also occurred. But far from being peasants it was the disaffected 'middling' sort of people who rampaged through the streets damaging property & causing mayhem.
The leaders of the riotous mob however were not 'Peasants' but Burghers, businessmen, tradesmen, merchants & artisans, but with a particular axe of their own to grind. This was because the managing Council of the town was largely dominated by an almost hereditary & tiny core group of families, who of course favoured friends & family when it came to the economic & business affairs of the town. For this reason the rebels targeted particular people & properties connected to the dominant ruling group, & while doing so, to avoid recognition, they wore hoods, similar to those which the much later KKK would wear.
Proto communism? Asking for a fair days pay for a fair days work isnt communism, its capitalism.
When did they say proto communism?
@thetroyzernator don't know off the top of my head cos it was a month ago I watched it haha
Tell that to the millions of workers on minimum wage who do not receive anything close to a fair days pay for a fair days work!
Would like a podcast on Kett's Rebellion, please. Now that one really was close. The monarchy only saved the day by bringing in Italian Mercenaries. Nearly got 'em! One day....
Patriotic podcast
When Sausage is on TV the money shot is his knee blisters
Ahh, an episode I've been waiting for, presented by my history chums across the pond. This one is well timed considering the current attitude between us peasants and the ruling class.
Will enjoy this as i eat my porridge and gruel, before a day in the salt mines serving my masters😮
12:10 john of gaunt
Tom Holland is using the words Peasants and Serfs interchangeably in this video time code 20:20. Are they at this period in English history the same by definition? By how he describes their rights and obligations I would say he's talking about serfs whereas peasants tended to have a stronger position in society and their local lords couldn't control them the same way.
I know that in Scandinavia the peasant class were immensely strong by comparison to the peasant class on the European continent who tended to be serfs.
Nobody tell the BBC that there was a British historical figure called the Black Prince.
l'd love it if you told me why and then expatiate on the evidence that led you to that remarkable conclusion?
No cliché is off the table
Except the cards held close to the vest!
@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 that'll put a cat in the works or a spanner amongst the pigeons
@@gbickell Are you pulling my dog? I don't have a leg in this fight.
Can’t find anything on Google about the English fleet sinking off Cornwall.
how does Downton Abbey play in this ?
Can you put out a blacked out version? Would be nice. Just a title card? Maybe some source material?
There is a podcast you can listen to instead.
The same theme they should discuss the 1848 revolutions.
Its super weird that NOBODY has done anything on the Border Reivers and Wardens of The March....
Just sayin'
Where does the influence of John Wycliffe comes into the picture?
Studied it at school in the late 1980s for A level and we called it the Great Uprising rather than the Peasants' Revolt.
think the peasants revolt is more cutting
@@davidvasey5065 but not accurate
Wow ! 😳 Tax ! Who would have thought 🤔 and the government wasting our taxes to pay for and benefit themselves. Just like today. 🤷♂️ outstanding !🤩
It wasn't led by peasants. The name given to it is a misnomer.
But how? How can they intimidate the poor when they have the upper hand? Why does wage freeze work. Surly they can just rise up?
Because the lords have private armies and all the weapons good luck with fighting against that
Was that all the lawyers? - Practicing Lawyer
This was nothing compared to the Pheasant's Revolt of 1831.
Or the Pleasant Revolt of 1622
@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 that was a lovely one
9:41 ah ... maggie would be proud lol
Ayn Rand would not like that sermon!
Dominic suggests that the manifesto of the rebels could also be viewed as a precursor to Protestantism. Although Tom has shown that the story of John Ball could not have happened as it was portrayed, it does not alter the fact that he was a radical. Where did he acquire his radicalism? Could there be a link between Ball and John Wycliffe, leader of the Lollards, who was also attacking the wealth of the Church and calling for the translation of the Bible into the vernacular? All at about this time.
I think that chronology is a little off. If I remember correctly, Wycliffe becomes notorious a few years later, after Ball has, er, left the scene.
Also, if memory serves, that unpopular John of Gaunt fellow was actually Wycliffe's patron (which is important for Wycliffe's story - that his patron was not the king or the church hierarchy).
A pre curser to Protestantism? Let me break this down in etym.
You’re aware that a Christian Protestant means only that you protest?
I’ve got a Mormon, a Baptist & and a Filipino church of Christ all laughing at you and asking for the commonality between them all?
Sit down.
@@Hrossey Could you rewrite you post in English?
Maybe I’m getting this wrong but why would anyone imply that the ruling class were the innocents ones in this situation? As if slavery and serfdom was moral?
Judging by today's time, they couldn't.
What a missed opportunity
I've already texted 3 people about Bill Payable. That's delicious.
Loving these two and their presentations, although one would not expect either to be massive supporters of socialism or sympathetic to the struggles of the common people.
Start change by renaming it The Common People's Revolt. Go Judith Barker!!!
Starving people are left wing? Absolute Monarchy is interesting to study but certainly not something to be missed
Essex is still suffering for its part in this!
They revolted against john of Gaunt In an appeal to the King.
As an American viewer, I appreciate your diligence in providing clarification on minor points. ie. “They (The Commons) we’re made up of JPs”. I immediately thought, “like JP Morgan?” Would not have landed on Justices of the Peace. Next your gonna tell me MP stands for Member of Parliament and not Military Police.
🎉Cultural differences!🎉
It stands for both, we have military policemen too you know 👍
tone
Vive la révolution, vive la République
Love you guys! Is massive income inequality just the way of the western world? We find ourselves, distressingly, in much the same boat these days, with billionaires buying the political class.
I've seen the bald guy in a lot of programs particularly on the BritishBullShit station. He's a hard right winger who will say anything in sympathy with wealth and power. You can watch him defending Margaret Thatcher without reservation. A woman who came into office promising to bring unity and harmony to Britain. Then began a campaign of neolibralism that led directly to the $35 trillion debt in the US with 45 million Americans unable to access basic health care, and 15 million Brits already on there way to that fate. Of course if you allow only the wealthy and powerful into your top office very soon your working class will be emiserated and desperate, and eventually your middleclass, by virtue of their assets, will be the next target.
Trickle down was the neolibral mantra if you remember. 'Pour up' was the reality. The 1% have enjoyed huge financial gains at the same rate as nations have plunged into existential debt. And I do mean existential.
The answer to the coming Great Revolt is of course the Clot Shot given to an estimated 1 billion westerners. Dead people cannot revolt can they. Nor the sick 😈💀
My advice would be to read England Arise by Juliet Barker for a scholarly account of what happens when corruption takes precedence of decency
The kindling spark of the capitalist nouveau riche, i would say. Nothing really to do with the poor.
Curtis’s dwindling frailties, laid bare upon they vestiges of time. For cuckethed is he who cracks a capitalist banger,
Ya banger.
Nothing Chang’s does it?
Gotta love the 1980s
I´m not paying up
I'm with Tom. (Dominic's wondering who Billy Bragg is.) 🤔(Green Fire UK) 🌈🦉
Why did they hurt the tax collector’s horse??
Bloody Peasants🤴
I love these, but yall really gotta finish some of these playlists out before you start new ones. That being said im looking forward to Napoleonic era
@The Rest Is History please do the Pilgrimage of Graces. Henry VIII lied and excuted the ringleaders.
The peasants are ‘revolting’
The storm camels are gathering
I would suggest that they are also smoldering!
Sounds much like today - the oeople rising up against their tyrant oppressors .
💯 better when I can see you speak 😂
Good cop, bad cop?
Maybe incarnation is real
My only gripe with the podcast is dropping French all the time for no reason. It's cringe and he's not good at it
Thomas the revenue engine
The rest is Tory history. That's what so important isn't it? aspirational zeal in the blood.
Please stop using modern political terms to describe people from the past it's bloody annoying
Im with Dom, if servants are tiresome, serfs must be unbearable.
Romanov the Windsors
Couldn't agree more.