I know y’all are hungry for Jonathan to see all the WEIRDER Exotics of Destiny 2, so make sure to throw down some Exotic suggestions in the comments, throw a like on the video, and we will do our best to make it happen 😘
I like when he talked about the "Huckleberry" sight or the lack of a trigger guard Because when you think about it Guardian's take death so unseriously that of course they would customize the sight of their weapon and if they accidentally pull the trigger on a friendly Guardian then they can just laugh about it in a few seconds.
@glcartmi Plenty of people who do reviews like this don't understand that... Maybe before you facepalm next time consider _why_ that would stand out to someone
You know, I have a great deal of respect for Jonathan. On a lot of these “expert reacts” style shows you get people that are sometimes dismissive or ignorant towards tropes that exist to make media more engaging. No shade to any of them mind you. Still it’s nice that we have someone that understands both the worlds or gaming and real guns and can meld those interests so perfectly.
Kinda like Skallagrim with fantasy blades. He knows what works and what doesn't. But he also understands that the fantastical aspects of a game or a show are important because of the 'rule of cool'
Well thats cuz Jonathan is a bit of a gamer too. He's appreciative of the impact on gameplay some of these nonsensical concepts present. One of us! One of us! One of us!
Even though he’d have nothing to comment on in terms of real-world accuracy, I’d love to see Jonathan’s reactions to the extremely esoteric weapons like the Parasite and Ruinous Effigy, or the Outbreak Perfected and Thorn if we wanted to maintain a slight semblance of reality
Personally I'd love to see his reaction to the Leviathan scout rifle, the conspirator. I feel like that would throw him for a loop cause of the massive thumbhole being in the way of any sort of feed mechanism.
One thing Destiny has gotten right from the very beginning is that aside from functionality the gun designs are very unique and interesting to look at and use. Even when they were clearly inspired by real world guns they still managed to throw enough sci-fi fantasy space magic into it to make it look good and be interesting, especially in terms of gameplay mechanics. The Exotic's are obviously the ones they put the most effort into but even some of the lower rarity guns are really cool
if anybody still has a D.F.A. in their vault I'd love to see his reaction to a hand cannon that has a cylinder and a mag well, it's one of the most overt frankenguns in the game
Yeah its actually this weeks nightfall waepon so if anyone wanted a dfa now is the time to get one but the gun is really just some sort of revolver encased in an ar15 lower receiver and an ak47 upper receiver
Omolon weapons like the Hung Jury would be really neat for Jonathan to lose his mind over, as they use liquid ammunition. The Khvostov is the very first weapon you find in both destiny 1 and 2 as new lights, and is a pretty neat looking gun The WardclIff Coil is an exotic rocket launcher that Jonathan may also go crazy over because its super ridiculous Would also be cool to see what Jonathan thinks of the Skyburner's Oath exotic scout rifle. I could go on all day! Destiny is one of my favourite games right now, and I'm super stoked that you guys are featuring their weapons :D Please don't stop!
I’d love to see what he thinks of Hakke weapons, because the in game manufacture claims to be the least “decorative,” and is more so meant to only on functionality and I think it’d be cool to see what he thinks of them and can actually call out what isn’t realistic or tactically sound
Yes. Don't get me wrong I like him reviewing some of the weirder weapons in destiny but the more "normal" guns like Hakkë and Leviathan would be great.
Though in contrast, I wonder how long it'd take him to conclude (correctly) the VEIST just makes guns that are also sports cars? At that point he should just look through a selection of guns from each major foundry, see what his takes on their general signatures are
The way the bolt on the Multimach is designed is due to the fact that all legendary weapons of the same type use the same reload animation, most of the SMGs in the game have that standard bolt sticking straight up design, but because the multimach’s side bolt needs to use the same animation as those guns it has that extra metal arch over the top. So it’s a mechanical design solution for an animation problem, which is kinda backwards from how it usually goes lol
I think he would be very interested in seeing "two tailed fox" an exotic rocket launcher that shoots 2 missiles at at the same time and acts kinda like a mortar
Something important to understand some of the design cues is that the more exotic (hehe) designs get their own animations, while more common weapons like the Multimach use pre existing animation sets for their archetype. So non-exotic weapons often have to be designed to look interesting but also fit existing animations because there are a lot of them in the game.
I see you've giving Johnathan's brain a little break by showing the less weird guns from the guardian arsenal. Show him some EDZ guns next time, gambit leather shader and all.
Wonder how he'd react to Hard Light (also of Omolon design) and if we could get him to read the lore tab on Wavesplitter. "What does it sound like when you're hit by it"
I'd love to see him react toe guns with impossible magazines like that one scout rifle that has a magazine going into where the recoil spring would be.
I struggle to find the words to express how much it makes my weapons-nerdy heart sing, to have weapons, from my absolute favorite game franchise, screened by someone of such prestigious academic merit in the field of study. The highest of thanks for this. I anxiously await more.
you should especially have him go over Omolon weapons, considering they use "liquid" ammo and you should have used the titan exotic actium war rig with sweet business to confuse him even more lol
I’d love to see Johnathan review the new/re-added Häkke guns from Witch Queen, especially the Perses-D scout rifle which is permanently set to “Safe,” but also has a full auto setting we can’t use.
One of the best things that really sets destiny aside in my mind is the weapon designs. The exotics just feel and look exotic. They make you feel powerful using them and also are artistically beautiful
I'm going to be honest I absolutely love these videos, Jonathan Ferguson seems to have more of an understanding of how devs need to balance game design and realism than most weapons experts that react to or analyse video game weapons
I mean the guns themselves are very cool and interesting, but what would he say? They're magic not really anything explainable by a firearms expert, at least not in an interesting way. He would explain what the gun looks like, maybe compare it to something real but I doubt it considering the designs, and then mention them using magic to do whatever they do.
@@MYNAMEISINCAPS @MYNAMEISINCAPS you do have a good point, i mean plenty of guns in destiny 2 have a basis in reality while those not so much, i would be interested to find out what real guns influenced those 3 guns however you are right and other than talking about the guns that influenced the design's he wouldnt have too much to talk about
I would've liked him to have an explanation of the Mida-Multi Tool and the Mida-Mini Tool and their descriptions of their incredibly outlandish functions
It's a Reference to Marathon, the game that Bungie made before Halo. MIDA was a Gun Company in the Marathon Universe. Halo was both largely inspired by Starship Troopers (It was kinda meant to be a Parody) and Marathon. In fact, that Odd Symbol on Guilty Spark's Optic? It's the Marathon symbol.
Im pretty sure the MIDA set are (lore-wise) meant to be like, a far-future descendant of the russian TP-82 survival pistol, issued to cosmonauts up through 2007 when the ammo ran out- Basically a breech-loading sawn-off 3-barrel shotgun with shot and flare ammunition, and a removable stock/machete combination- for surviving if a capsule had to land out in the wilderness.
@@fierytepig155 Exactly. That's what I was referring to. MIDA was a Martian Company that sided with Insurrectionists in the Marathon Series. The MIDA weapons were considered "unknown" to the Destiny verse because they never existed there, which is cause for confusion in The Guardians. Zavala has a log on the MIDA lore, where he and Ikora were trying to figure out about MIDA, and why it doesn't line up with what they know. It's also why the MIDA weapons are the ultimate in survival tools. They needed to be to keep the Rebels they were given to alive.
A point on Sturm and Drang is that they're meant to be references to the Golden Gun of James Bond and Han Solo's blaster in Star wars. They also have a fascinating lore behind them, worth reading. It's important to remember that weapons in the Destiny universe aren't merely weapons, but have inherited some degree of myth about them. They're works of art and are often implied to have some spiritual or personal significance to the Guardians who are wielding them. This is why they trend towards the ornate and less practical design, excusing questions of functionality by saying (essentially) faith makes them work.
Sturm and Drang are named for the 18th-century German literary movement, and are definitely based off of the Mauser c96 and type 14 nambu of Germany and Japan respectively.
@@bradyrice6631 drang is more closer to the frommer 1901 than a nambu, almost everything is the same on it and that frommer, ian from forgotten weapons suprisingly (or unsuprisingly) has a video on it and its history
A few suggestions for more exotics I'd love to see: Leviathan's Breath Xenophage Thorn (Look at the rounds it fires!) Le Monarque Jotunn Telesto Sunshot Lord of Wolves Coldheart Sleeper Simulant One Thousand Voices The Colony Thunderlord The Wardcliff Coil Tractor Cannon Thank you for doing these videos! These are so much fun to see
I mean - it is a series. The series is Jonathan reacting to guns from games and commenting on the designs. Destiny is one of them and might appear again but I don't see a reason to restrict this series to only Destiny.
So happy to see you do even more of these! I also greatly appreciate that there is the recognition of when mechanics are fun for gameplay, even if they have no basis in reality - it's an important callout to make and as a game designer, I love to hear it.
6:56 ooh ooh ooh! It's kinda more of a frommer 1901 *ackshully* Though the nambu also has that weird profile, the bulging trigger guard and indent above it are 100% frommer.
Johnathan has no idea the rabbit hole he's about to go down if he continues this series on Destiny 2. I've seen images of some of the guns and they look more like Eldritch Abominations than weapons. Which given the crazy lore isn't too far from what I expect.
We took a god...and made him into a gun...so your actually on point in saying some of the exotic weapons of destiny 2 are eldritch in nature...thats because they are and we killed the god to make them into a gun in the name of loot
5:04 I wonder if Jono's aware of the Halo crossover weapons added to the game from the 30th Anniversary event? Might be cool to add the BxR or the Forerunner on the list if we get another D2 vid
As commented on the previous video, Destiny 2 is explicitly a science fantasy, so "it's magic" is actually an acceptable response to how something might work. Also add commented previously, the character controlled by the player is not a soldier or even a green beret so much as they are a Knight of the Round Table, so a lot of the embellishments (like that extra fancy holographic sight) exist to denote status (especially for the exotic weapons) or to otherwise separate them from what would be considered the rank-and-file
With respect to accidental discharges, I'd believe that the guardians just take their lumps and the damage on accidental discharges to keep the gun looking cool. They still use bows and arrows in this era because they look cool canonically.
I think it's a disservice to the game and Jonathan not specifying that these are all "Unique" handcrafted or otherwise exceptionally special guns, the epic loot of Destiny. I'd honestly love to see his opinion on some of the more mundane blue and purple weapons that are a little more grounded...and all still have space magic magnetic feeding systems or something.
He's just pointing out quirks and design choices with the higher weapons in the game since those are more interesting to look at. It's not like he's disrespectful to these choices or anything either.
While I agree with this in most situations, I do feel that there are some situations where bugs should be kept as features to enhance the game. An excellent example of this is tick manipulation in Runescape. Instead of removing it, the developers starting designing content around it, and it overall improved the experience.
@@captncuddlybear9404 Totally agree, just like the Combo in Street Fighter it added some characteristics to the game, but the really bad kinda wall glitch or unpolished collision are really killing the modern AAA games these days, those needs to change.
It'd be really cool if Jonathan checked out some Titanfall 2 weapons, there are some pretty cool ones out there (EPG, Softball, Smart Pistol, L-Star, etc) I know he already did one on Apex Legends, but Titanfall has way more exotic weapons.
Also, some of the weapons in TF2, lost their uniqueness in apex, such as the horizontal recoil in the alternator and flatline. Also, the titan guns themselves are also interesting to look at.
@@argr4sh I remember being so confused with the conventional recoil when I played Apex for the first time after completing both Titanfall games. The VK and Alternator even retain their horizontal reticles in Apex. It would’ve been far more interesting if they kept their original horizontal recoil.
Having one of these "experts react" type videos where the expert isn't completely ignorant of a medium is very refreshing. Very good balance of real analysis but also acknowledging the "it's a video game" unrealistic stuff.
Pretty sure the MIDA multitool also functions as a can opener, a "troll smasher", an "entrenching tool", a "stellar sextant", and has many other functions, according to the loretab. Can opener is me misremembering the red text of the gun, but knowing how many functions this gun has, O wouldnt be suprised
I want to see his reaction to the some of the manufacturers specific lines. Häkke takes a lot of real world design queues, Suros is more about smooth aesthetics, and Veist looks deadly to the touch. I really want to see how he reacts to the liquid Omolon designs. I love my thwappy weapons.
Also just like how Omolon uses liquid ammo Veist seems to be fond of battery ammo. Especially for their energy weapons you frequently are swapping out batteries instead of magazines.
I know there's already 3 episodes of Tarkov but there's some interesting stuff there to show that might please Jonathan: 1: Weapon malfunction, there's 3 types of them and each weapon has a unique animation of fixing it, bullpups are really fun 2: When you shoot a weapon with a scope which is set to the minimum (50m) at really close range (few meters) the bullets don't go where the reticle is, since the scope is set to 50m. 3: There's also the height over bore problem, you might have a clear sight through the scope but the barrel is obstructed and it hits the obstruction. 4: Addition of rangefinder 5: Double barrel shotgun and it's correct reloading animations 6: Thermal sights Another game suggestion would be the killzone franchise. It shows the unified design philosophy of dark bullpup cylindrical magazine weapon of the Helghast vs the modern conventional design of ISA
I would love to see him comment on the more basic legendary weapons in this game made by various weapon foundries like Suros, Veist, or Hakke. A lot of those guns take much more interesting cues from real world guns and design mechanics I think he’d have fun dissecting
Once again I find the choice of showing Exotic weapons a little odd, as they're... Exotic, they're supposed to be extravagant. Also, pretty sure the design of the Sturm is supposed to be a spaceified Mauser C96.
Personally, it's more interesting to see Jonathan make sense of a fantasy weapon, rather than him saying "Oh, this gun is basically this like this gun but with features from that gun". Not that there's anything wrong with the latter.
@@0uttaS1TE I find it annoying that he has no understanding that these are already the exceptions because they're the only ones he's being shown. I don't even play the game anymore, but just a tiny amount of knowledge of the setting should be given...
@@0uttaS1TE Sure to a certain extent, but at the same time, hearing 'You wouldn't put a decoration on' over and over again, or 'I presume that this functions with some sort of magic' Is what most of these Destiny videos have been, Feels like we're getting less talking about the guns and more just general confusion about the setting.
Fun Fact: despite fitting into the real world classification of Machine Gun, Sweet Business predates the Machine Gun weapon class in destiny, and was therefore made a primary auto-rifle
I figured that the front grip on the Sweet Business was meant to be like a safety. Once it's pulled back it allows the barrels to rotate. Least that's my imagination as sci-fi weapon fan, not an arms expert lol
i saw one with a magazine that fed through a thumb hole stock- it’s called the Call to Serve. The lumina is a pretty confusing exotic though, along with the thorn.
I need this dude to review all exotic and most popular legendary weapons in Destiny 2. I could watch this for days! He's super entertaining, has great references and I love how he doesn't bash on the weapons and go 'nonono this is not realistic'. He acknowledges that it's video game guns and explains from that and realistic points of view. This is by far the best thing I've come across on YT as of late.
Not seeing alot of people talk about it but personally I see the gun at 7:11 as more of a broomhandle mauser with the mag and the square block and hammer.
This might seem like a slightly subdued option for his next review, but what about Riiswalker? It's mostly confined within the realm of reason, while technically being engineered by an alien.
One thing to note is the lore for some of these weapons does give context to their creation or function (not usually both) Cerberus was a kitbash of 4 different rifles (including all the barrels) while Mida Multitool was from a parallel reality from the Destiny Universe. Also some weapons that deal element based damage use a different ammo system than the Kinetic weapons. Ikelos weapons to my knowledge are the only compact laser weapons we see (these also have visible heat sinks that may or may not glow as you fire), alongside the Trace Rifles and Fusion Rifles. Then there's Omolon that use "liquid ammunition"
On Sweet Business, the moving handle goes back as the ROF goes up; it could be considered the throttle to tell how fast it is firing, while the trigger does its usual job.
Still would love to see Johnathan react to the weapons of KF2 Killing Floor 2. From the realistic arming distance of the RPG to something ridiculous like the detonating harpoon gun
The magazine on that 'space tommy gun' is really blatantly based on an analogue rotary timer switch- the kind people sometimes get to turn their lights on and off when they're away so they don't get burgled. There's a bit of Lewis gun drum there too, but it has all the little triangular bits from a rotary timer switch.
What about some of division 2s exotic weapons I think it'd be interesting to see his take on some of those weapons since they are based on real firearms but have been modified ingame to be unique
Having the arms reach from the bolt around the receiver also allows them to reuse the cocking animation from the Thompson-esque smg you talked about earlier
Love looking behind Jonathan and not only seeing those awesome models but that he also has The Kurgan’s sword and both Connor and Duncan Macleod’s swords from Highlander
The "Chain Gun"/ Sweet Business. The Side handle is the saftey. As the trigger is where it should be. Pulling that handle back allows the barrels to spin.
What I love about him is that he knows firearms so well that you can essentially know what to slap together to get an irl prototype of Destiny’s weapons to get their distinctive shapes
Btw Johnathan the reason that the multimach has a bolt handle like that is that all non-exotic smgs have the same animation for reloading. It seems that it was done so they could have that style of the bolt while also keeping to the same animation so they didn't have to make a new one for just a purple gun.
I know y’all are hungry for Jonathan to see all the WEIRDER Exotics of Destiny 2, so make sure to throw down some Exotic suggestions in the comments, throw a like on the video, and we will do our best to make it happen 😘
Eriana's Vow and Sleeper Simulant.
Grand Overture, Lorentz driver, and parasite.
Lemant, death bringer and telesto
sunshot exotic hand cannon and jotunn
Gotta get him to see the Devils Ruin, show him a the stat page before you show the gameplay.
Only a matter of time before he reaches Parasite, it seems like an incredibly realistic weapon
"And here, we can see how the barrel is rifled, which will give the worm a bit of a spin as it launches"
i'm glad to see ya here forcer. on the frontlines of the memes, always
Can't wait.
I'd like to see him get his brain around sleeper and outbreak and anarchy
Hey forcer
I like when he talked about the "Huckleberry" sight or the lack of a trigger guard Because when you think about it Guardian's take death so unseriously that of course they would customize the sight of their weapon and if they accidentally pull the trigger on a friendly Guardian then they can just laugh about it in a few seconds.
“Guardian down”
*instantly revives and starts laughing*
Icebreaker is literally fatal to the user but Guardians don't care.
Also cuz huckleberry is a custom order meaning someone wanted it to look like that
"oh god ive shot my best friend and killed them... anyways"
@@HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar “Eh, he’ll be back in a few seconds”
We need to see Izanagi’s lol. His reaction to all the bullets merging into 1 super powerful bullet is sure to be interesting.
AGREED
I love how he understands creative liberty. He understands that a game doesn’t have to have completely 100% realistic weapons.
@glcartmi Plenty of people who do reviews like this don't understand that... Maybe before you facepalm next time consider _why_ that would stand out to someone
You know, I have a great deal of respect for Jonathan. On a lot of these “expert reacts” style shows you get people that are sometimes dismissive or ignorant towards tropes that exist to make media more engaging. No shade to any of them mind you. Still it’s nice that we have someone that understands both the worlds or gaming and real guns and can meld those interests so perfectly.
Kinda like Skallagrim with fantasy blades. He knows what works and what doesn't. But he also understands that the fantastical aspects of a game or a show are important because of the 'rule of cool'
Well thats cuz Jonathan is a bit of a gamer too. He's appreciative of the impact on gameplay some of these nonsensical concepts present. One of us! One of us! One of us!
@@monosito59 He is indeed one of us. In the New Vegas video he even proves he has top tier taste because he says NV is one of his favorite games!
I'd imagine it's fun to see the stuff you cant physically do in the real world get imagined
Exactly
Even though he’d have nothing to comment on in terms of real-world accuracy, I’d love to see Jonathan’s reactions to the extremely esoteric weapons like the Parasite and Ruinous Effigy, or the Outbreak Perfected and Thorn if we wanted to maintain a slight semblance of reality
Personally I'd love to see his reaction to the Leviathan scout rifle, the conspirator. I feel like that would throw him for a loop cause of the massive thumbhole being in the way of any sort of feed mechanism.
Jötunn.
I wouldn't mind seeing his reaction to the things Thorn shoots...
@@mr._2994 Yes, it's one of the more "realistic" designs at still make zero sense.
would love to see him do xeno ngl. just out of curiosity of what he has to say about it
One thing Destiny has gotten right from the very beginning is that aside from functionality the gun designs are very unique and interesting to look at and use. Even when they were clearly inspired by real world guns they still managed to throw enough sci-fi fantasy space magic into it to make it look good and be interesting, especially in terms of gameplay mechanics. The Exotic's are obviously the ones they put the most effort into but even some of the lower rarity guns are really cool
This guy doesn't play Destiny
@@lazyvoid7107 he never said anything about Johnathan playing Destiny though
if anybody still has a D.F.A. in their vault I'd love to see his reaction to a hand cannon that has a cylinder and a mag well, it's one of the most overt frankenguns in the game
I do in fact
Anyone can pull it out the collection
@@victography8018 I always forget about that haha
Yeah its actually this weeks nightfall waepon so if anyone wanted a dfa now is the time to get one but the gun is really just some sort of revolver encased in an ar15 lower receiver and an ak47 upper receiver
It is probably one of Osiris's guns, or one of his designs, and given how Osiris is, frankengun is a given.
Omolon weapons like the Hung Jury would be really neat for Jonathan to lose his mind over, as they use liquid ammunition.
The Khvostov is the very first weapon you find in both destiny 1 and 2 as new lights, and is a pretty neat looking gun
The WardclIff Coil is an exotic rocket launcher that Jonathan may also go crazy over because its super ridiculous
Would also be cool to see what Jonathan thinks of the Skyburner's Oath exotic scout rifle.
I could go on all day! Destiny is one of my favourite games right now, and I'm super stoked that you guys are featuring their weapons :D Please don't stop!
fun fact: the wardcliff once almost destroyed the entire planet earth
I’d love to see what he thinks of Hakke weapons, because the in game manufacture claims to be the least “decorative,” and is more so meant to only on functionality and I think it’d be cool to see what he thinks of them and can actually call out what isn’t realistic or tactically sound
Yes. Don't get me wrong I like him reviewing some of the weirder weapons in destiny but the more "normal" guns like Hakkë and Leviathan would be great.
Though in contrast, I wonder how long it'd take him to conclude (correctly) the VEIST just makes guns that are also sports cars? At that point he should just look through a selection of guns from each major foundry, see what his takes on their general signatures are
@@blak4831 But that means he would be able to make less Destiny 2 weapon videos. I think their goal is to make more videos.
And Seventh Seraph too
I would LOVE to own a Hakke or Suros scout rifle IRL.
The way the bolt on the Multimach is designed is due to the fact that all legendary weapons of the same type use the same reload animation, most of the SMGs in the game have that standard bolt sticking straight up design, but because the multimach’s side bolt needs to use the same animation as those guns it has that extra metal arch over the top. So it’s a mechanical design solution for an animation problem, which is kinda backwards from how it usually goes lol
This would probably be to make it as simple as possible for guardians that use a lot of the same type
I would love to see him look at Izanagi's Burden or Wardcliff, both of them are just such weird weapons
I feel like someone out there in the universe of Destiny has already use the Izanagi as a sword instead of a gun.
@@deathrex007 Especially with that one ornament.
@@maniacalcoyote6087 it's supposed to look like a sword even without the ornament
imagine him explaining jotunn and tractor cannon
@@maniacalcoyote6087 totally don't have and use the sword ornament on Izanagi
I think he would be very interested in seeing "two tailed fox" an exotic rocket launcher that shoots 2 missiles at at the same time and acts kinda like a mortar
As fun as seeing him react to the wierd exotics would be, lets see him react to the Hakke & Omolan weapons.
Something important to understand some of the design cues is that the more exotic (hehe) designs get their own animations, while more common weapons like the Multimach use pre existing animation sets for their archetype. So non-exotic weapons often have to be designed to look interesting but also fit existing animations because there are a lot of them in the game.
I see you've giving Johnathan's brain a little break by showing the less weird guns from the guardian arsenal. Show him some EDZ guns next time, gambit leather shader and all.
Gotta have our bakelite.
show him the edz pulse rifle where the magazine goes directly under a *hole*
maybe also seventh seraph carbine
@@sidneypowelstock6812 Yesss, the 7th seraph stuff looks nice. Especially that glock looking sidearm.
Show him Touch of Malice or Outbreak Prime, that'll really get him going.
would love to see him react to Omolon weapons with the liquid ammo, and Hakke's more realistic ones like Halfdan-D and Antiope etc.
Lord of Wolves, D.A.R.C.I., and Wardcliff Coil would be awesome to see.
@@WitchyLadyLily indeed
Wonder how he'd react to Hard Light (also of Omolon design) and if we could get him to read the lore tab on Wavesplitter. "What does it sound like when you're hit by it"
I'd love to see him react toe guns with impossible magazines like that one scout rifle that has a magazine going into where the recoil spring would be.
Or the one that has the magazine directly under the thumb hole in the stock
I struggle to find the words to express how much it makes my weapons-nerdy heart sing, to have weapons, from my absolute favorite game franchise, screened by someone of such prestigious academic merit in the field of study. The highest of thanks for this. I anxiously await more.
you should especially have him go over Omolon weapons, considering they use "liquid" ammo and you should have used the titan exotic actium war rig with sweet business to confuse him even more lol
Sweet Business + Actium War Rig, aka "I just tape the fire button down and forget about it"
I imagine when they show him Ruinous Effigy his only response is going to be to just stare blankly at the screen.
Think of the new glaives
"Me after looking up that gun" What in the name of godly bricks is this? xD
Or what if they show him the scout rifle from Levi?
@@Knuspermonster a piece of wood from a magic tree that turns people into orbs
Fear the rectangle, and pray it does not turn you into an orb.
I’d love to see Johnathan review the new/re-added Häkke guns from Witch Queen, especially the Perses-D scout rifle which is permanently set to “Safe,” but also has a full auto setting we can’t use.
If it rolls with Full Auto Trigger System, or if you use the Full Auto Retrofit mod you can
Hakke weapons in general would be interesting to see what he thinks
@@tgirl_fangs The Full Auto Retrofit mod it's not available to 150 rpm scouts, only to 260 rpm.
@ I literally have full auto retrofit on my Perses-D. it's great
@ 260s are already full auto, you can't put the mod on those
One of the best things that really sets destiny aside in my mind is the weapon designs. The exotics just feel and look exotic. They make you feel powerful using them and also are artistically beautiful
I'm going to be honest I absolutely love these videos, Jonathan Ferguson seems to have more of an understanding of how devs need to balance game design and realism than most weapons experts that react to or analyse video game weapons
would love to see his thoughts on the thorn, sunshot and osteo striga, destiny 2 has a lot of interesting guns for him to review
I mean the guns themselves are very cool and interesting, but what would he say? They're magic not really anything explainable by a firearms expert, at least not in an interesting way. He would explain what the gun looks like, maybe compare it to something real but I doubt it considering the designs, and then mention them using magic to do whatever they do.
@@MYNAMEISINCAPS @MYNAMEISINCAPS you do have a good point, i mean plenty of guns in destiny 2 have a basis in reality while those not so much, i would be interested to find out what real guns influenced those 3 guns however you are right and other than talking about the guns that influenced the design's he wouldnt have too much to talk about
Make him look at the parasite lol
@@apricotcharms4126 lol that would be very funny
Malfeasance's 'barrel' design alone would probably give him a coronary. XD
I would've liked him to have an explanation of the Mida-Multi Tool and the Mida-Mini Tool and their descriptions of their incredibly outlandish functions
That's the best thing about the MIDA pair (other than their year one Crucible dominance)
It's a Reference to Marathon, the game that Bungie made before Halo. MIDA was a Gun Company in the Marathon Universe.
Halo was both largely inspired by Starship Troopers (It was kinda meant to be a Parody) and Marathon. In fact, that Odd Symbol on Guilty Spark's Optic? It's the Marathon symbol.
Im pretty sure the MIDA set are (lore-wise) meant to be like, a far-future descendant of the russian TP-82 survival pistol, issued to cosmonauts up through 2007 when the ammo ran out- Basically a breech-loading sawn-off 3-barrel shotgun with shot and flare ammunition, and a removable stock/machete combination- for surviving if a capsule had to land out in the wilderness.
@@Victor-056 and I want to say that the mida multi (and maybe mini) tool cams from a different timeline which could be the one marathon is from.
@@fierytepig155 Exactly. That's what I was referring to. MIDA was a Martian Company that sided with Insurrectionists in the Marathon Series.
The MIDA weapons were considered "unknown" to the Destiny verse because they never existed there, which is cause for confusion in The Guardians. Zavala has a log on the MIDA lore, where he and Ikora were trying to figure out about MIDA, and why it doesn't line up with what they know.
It's also why the MIDA weapons are the ultimate in survival tools. They needed to be to keep the Rebels they were given to alive.
A point on Sturm and Drang is that they're meant to be references to the Golden Gun of James Bond and Han Solo's blaster in Star wars. They also have a fascinating lore behind them, worth reading.
It's important to remember that weapons in the Destiny universe aren't merely weapons, but have inherited some degree of myth about them. They're works of art and are often implied to have some spiritual or personal significance to the Guardians who are wielding them. This is why they trend towards the ornate and less practical design, excusing questions of functionality by saying (essentially) faith makes them work.
Yeah I always thought they were "modern" Mauser and Luger pistols respectively
Another thing the video didn’t show the actual perk of the two guns
instead of wielding Excalibur or Glamdring, we wield magical guns and bows; admittedly, there are swords in the game too
Sturm and Drang are named for the 18th-century German literary movement, and are definitely based off of the Mauser c96 and type 14 nambu of Germany and Japan respectively.
@@bradyrice6631 drang is more closer to the frommer 1901 than a nambu, almost everything is the same on it and that frommer, ian from forgotten weapons suprisingly (or unsuprisingly) has a video on it and its history
A few suggestions for more exotics I'd love to see:
Leviathan's Breath
Xenophage
Thorn (Look at the rounds it fires!)
Le Monarque
Jotunn
Telesto
Sunshot
Lord of Wolves
Coldheart
Sleeper Simulant
One Thousand Voices
The Colony
Thunderlord
The Wardcliff Coil
Tractor Cannon
Thank you for doing these videos! These are so much fun to see
For the sweet business, I believe that the red grip is intended to rev the internal assembly + barrels, with the trigger reserved for actually firing.
I can't believe that Jonathan didn't think that the Sturm looked reminiscent of the C96
Yeah was thinking the same I don't see where he got mg 34
@@hibiki8254 Sturm does look similar to the receiver of one but it’s literally just a C96
My first thought was: Bergman 1910 with an MG42 top cover.
I think that the top receiver kinda decieved him.
To be fair tho the more you look at it the less it looks like a Mauser.
@@royalsoldierofdrangleic4577 Yea idk how people got the resemblance of a c96.
Honestly at this point I think everyone would love if this was made into a series 😁 d2 has so many unique guns and i would love to see them analyzed
I mean - it is a series. The series is Jonathan reacting to guns from games and commenting on the designs. Destiny is one of them and might appear again but I don't see a reason to restrict this series to only Destiny.
Laser Nambu is probably a breath of fresh air for John at this point
It reminds me more of a dardick, but I could see why the nambu would also be called to mind
So happy to see you do even more of these! I also greatly appreciate that there is the recognition of when mechanics are fun for gameplay, even if they have no basis in reality - it's an important callout to make and as a game designer, I love to hear it.
6:56 ooh ooh ooh! It's kinda more of a frommer 1901 *ackshully*
Though the nambu also has that weird profile, the bulging trigger guard and indent above it are 100% frommer.
Johnathan has no idea the rabbit hole he's about to go down if he continues this series on Destiny 2. I've seen images of some of the guns and they look more like Eldritch Abominations than weapons. Which given the crazy lore isn't too far from what I expect.
Can't wait for him to see 1k Voices, or Touch Of Malice. Heck, even the new Exotic Wave GL/
A few of the guns are made of horrors beyond our comprehension
Imagine him reviewing cloudstrike
Some of the guns are literally made from Eldritch horrors like Whisper being crafted with Xol or Malice being made with Oryx.
We took a god...and made him into a gun...so your actually on point in saying some of the exotic weapons of destiny 2 are eldritch in nature...thats because they are and we killed the god to make them into a gun in the name of loot
The gambit weapons would be amazing for him to react to from their semblance to real weapons.
5:04 I wonder if Jono's aware of the Halo crossover weapons added to the game from the 30th Anniversary event? Might be cool to add the BxR or the Forerunner on the list if we get another D2 vid
As commented on the previous video, Destiny 2 is explicitly a science fantasy, so "it's magic" is actually an acceptable response to how something might work.
Also add commented previously, the character controlled by the player is not a soldier or even a green beret so much as they are a Knight of the Round Table, so a lot of the embellishments (like that extra fancy holographic sight) exist to denote status (especially for the exotic weapons) or to otherwise separate them from what would be considered the rank-and-file
With respect to accidental discharges, I'd believe that the guardians just take their lumps and the damage on accidental discharges to keep the gun looking cool. They still use bows and arrows in this era because they look cool canonically.
I think it's a disservice to the game and Jonathan not specifying that these are all "Unique" handcrafted or otherwise exceptionally special guns, the epic loot of Destiny. I'd honestly love to see his opinion on some of the more mundane blue and purple weapons that are a little more grounded...and all still have space magic magnetic feeding systems or something.
He's just pointing out quirks and design choices with the higher weapons in the game since those are more interesting to look at. It's not like he's disrespectful to these choices or anything either.
"Thats not a design feature, thats a bug"
Modern Game Developers need to understand this more lol
While I agree with this in most situations, I do feel that there are some situations where bugs should be kept as features to enhance the game. An excellent example of this is tick manipulation in Runescape. Instead of removing it, the developers starting designing content around it, and it overall improved the experience.
@@captncuddlybear9404 Totally agree, just like the Combo in Street Fighter it added some characteristics to the game, but the really bad kinda wall glitch or unpolished collision are really killing the modern AAA games these days, those needs to change.
It'd be really cool if Jonathan checked out some Titanfall 2 weapons, there are some pretty cool ones out there (EPG, Softball, Smart Pistol, L-Star, etc)
I know he already did one on Apex Legends, but Titanfall has way more exotic weapons.
The smart pistol is pretty cool because canonically it uses something like 9mm rounds with mini rocket thrusters and I find that kinda funny.
Also, some of the weapons in TF2, lost their uniqueness in apex, such as the horizontal recoil in the alternator and flatline. Also, the titan guns themselves are also interesting to look at.
If he does that, he should talk about the titan's guns too.
But not just the pilot weapons. I wanna see the Titan Guns.
@@argr4sh I remember being so confused with the conventional recoil when I played Apex for the first time after completing both Titanfall games.
The VK and Alternator even retain their horizontal reticles in Apex. It would’ve been far more interesting if they kept their original horizontal recoil.
He was spot on with the mg42 I never noticed that I always thought it was just a Mauser but it’s sort of a hybrid between the 2.
Having one of these "experts react" type videos where the expert isn't completely ignorant of a medium is very refreshing. Very good balance of real analysis but also acknowledging the "it's a video game" unrealistic stuff.
Pretty sure the MIDA multitool also functions as a can opener, a "troll smasher", an "entrenching tool", a "stellar sextant", and has many other functions, according to the loretab.
Can opener is me misremembering the red text of the gun, but knowing how many functions this gun has, O wouldnt be suprised
A bullet would certainly be one way to open a can.
You might be mixing that up with the bottle opener mounted on the side of Loaded Question
It's more likely the "horizontal grip" on the Sweet Business Most likely controls the spinning of the barrels rather than being the actual trigger.
I want to see his reaction to the some of the manufacturers specific lines. Häkke takes a lot of real world design queues, Suros is more about smooth aesthetics, and Veist looks deadly to the touch.
I really want to see how he reacts to the liquid Omolon designs. I love my thwappy weapons.
last dance is my baby
Hakke - Future Weapons with modern aesthetics.
Suros - Mass Effect weapons in Destiny lol. XD
I want to see him react to the Ikelos(?) stuff
omolon scouts are the best. I really want an eye of the storm + Demolitionist
Also just like how Omolon uses liquid ammo Veist seems to be fond of battery ammo. Especially for their energy weapons you frequently are swapping out batteries instead of magazines.
I know there's already 3 episodes of Tarkov but there's some interesting stuff there to show that might please Jonathan:
1: Weapon malfunction, there's 3 types of them and each weapon has a unique animation of fixing it, bullpups are really fun
2: When you shoot a weapon with a scope which is set to the minimum (50m) at really close range (few meters) the bullets don't go where the reticle is, since the scope is set to 50m.
3: There's also the height over bore problem, you might have a clear sight through the scope but the barrel is obstructed and it hits the obstruction.
4: Addition of rangefinder
5: Double barrel shotgun and it's correct reloading animations
6: Thermal sights
Another game suggestion would be the killzone franchise. It shows the unified design philosophy of dark bullpup cylindrical magazine weapon of the Helghast vs the modern conventional design of ISA
10:15 I’m pretty sure the Handel it’s to hold it closer to you to control recoil bulling it closer since it has a trigger
I would love to see him comment on the more basic legendary weapons in this game made by various weapon foundries like Suros, Veist, or Hakke. A lot of those guns take much more interesting cues from real world guns and design mechanics I think he’d have fun dissecting
Once again I find the choice of showing Exotic weapons a little odd, as they're... Exotic, they're supposed to be extravagant. Also, pretty sure the design of the Sturm is supposed to be a spaceified Mauser C96.
Personally, it's more interesting to see Jonathan make sense of a fantasy weapon, rather than him saying "Oh, this gun is basically this like this gun but with features from that gun". Not that there's anything wrong with the latter.
Personally would love a good mix. The more colorful weapons with a blue or purple thrown in.
@@0uttaS1TE I find it annoying that he has no understanding that these are already the exceptions because they're the only ones he's being shown. I don't even play the game anymore, but just a tiny amount of knowledge of the setting should be given...
@@Kayem237 Isn't that kinda the point tho? That he's an outsider making sense of those weapons?
@@0uttaS1TE Sure to a certain extent, but at the same time, hearing 'You wouldn't put a decoration on' over and over again, or 'I presume that this functions with some sort of magic' Is what most of these Destiny videos have been, Feels like we're getting less talking about the guns and more just general confusion about the setting.
Might get buried, but Verdun and Tannenburg should really be at the top of the list. Very realistic take on WWI weapons.
Great Video! 7:33 reminds me more of a C96 Broomhandle Mauser, especially the Portion where the "Hammer" is.
Fun Fact: despite fitting into the real world classification of Machine Gun, Sweet Business predates the Machine Gun weapon class in destiny, and was therefore made a primary auto-rifle
I still wanna see him react to the Fourth Horseman, the 4 barreled fully automatic (but also pump action) shotgun that holds 5 rounds per reload.
I figured that the front grip on the Sweet Business was meant to be like a safety. Once it's pulled back it allows the barrels to rotate. Least that's my imagination as sci-fi weapon fan, not an arms expert lol
No, the weapon literally doesn’t have a conventional trigger.
@@matthewradabaugh1635 But it does?
i think it was meant to rotate the thing, you pull that grip.. then press the trigger
i saw one with a magazine that fed through a thumb hole stock- it’s called the Call to Serve.
The lumina is a pretty confusing exotic though, along with the thorn.
also try witherhoard
Yep old early game gun call to serve
I need this dude to review all exotic and most popular legendary weapons in Destiny 2. I could watch this for days! He's super entertaining, has great references and I love how he doesn't bash on the weapons and go 'nonono this is not realistic'. He acknowledges that it's video game guns and explains from that and realistic points of view. This is by far the best thing I've come across on YT as of late.
Not seeing alot of people talk about it but personally I see the gun at 7:11 as more of a broomhandle mauser with the mag and the square block and hammer.
If he thought the Sweet Business was weird, he should see the Heir Apparent!
Honestly mechanically wise that gun is far more realistic
Or the new LMG from the season pass as he tries to figure out where the rockets fit
6:07
The top pistol looks like a mishmash of the C96 and the MG42.
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Definitely the best game Jonathan could see, it totally rips apart his concept of modern guns, Bungie just does not have any boundaries
it's almost like they went jumping with an elastic band attached to them
Riskrunner, Eriana's Vow, Wardcliff Coil, Sunshot... that's what I love about Destiny 2. The huge variety of guns is truly amazing
"They're all the same copies of each other. 1000 different names but they're really just 20 different guns."
Maybe he could take a look at the Weapons of DEEP ROCK GALACTIC, as they have quite interesting designs.
ROCK N STONE!
@@pebl7735 Can't wait til he sees the M-1000, or as I like to call it, the Great-Great-Garandson
DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE?
I'd definitely be interested in seeing his takes on the more unusual exotics weapons, Trace Rifles, this season has some very esoteric ones.
6:10 - i always though that Sturn (the big MG 42 looking pistol) was an Mauser C36 and Drang (the small pistol) was an Luger P08
This might seem like a slightly subdued option for his next review, but what about Riiswalker? It's mostly confined within the realm of reason, while technically being engineered by an alien.
I'd love to see him react to Thorn, mainly just because I have some nostalgia for it as my first exotic.
And you deserve it! I got my first exotic covered, MIDA Multitool.
You guys should definitely show him various legendary foundry guns
could the gattling gun be firing caseless ammo and the magazine thing be rotating/locked to the barrels?
They really should just go out and show him the Conspirator and break this man's psyche.
One thing to note is the lore for some of these weapons does give context to their creation or function (not usually both) Cerberus was a kitbash of 4 different rifles (including all the barrels) while Mida Multitool was from a parallel reality from the Destiny Universe.
Also some weapons that deal element based damage use a different ammo system than the Kinetic weapons. Ikelos weapons to my knowledge are the only compact laser weapons we see (these also have visible heat sinks that may or may not glow as you fire), alongside the Trace Rifles and Fusion Rifles. Then there's Omolon that use "liquid ammunition"
On Sweet Business, the moving handle goes back as the ROF goes up; it could be considered the throttle to tell how fast it is firing, while the trigger does its usual job.
somebody tell this man that us destiny players are immortal undead space zombie wizards
Well since you teased Payday 2 again I assume it's in the works, but if not it would be a cool game with some cool guns :)
*mandatory comment about 23 rnd Garand*
Still would love to see Johnathan react to the weapons of KF2 Killing Floor 2. From the realistic arming distance of the RPG to something ridiculous like the detonating harpoon gun
Go from SEAL-6 to M1911s back over to Fireball Revolvers, check in at the L85 on your way to the Hemogoblin or Helios microwave rifle.
at 10:00 the side handle isn't the trigger it is the toggle to set fire rate
The magazine on that 'space tommy gun' is really blatantly based on an analogue rotary timer switch- the kind people sometimes get to turn their lights on and off when they're away so they don't get burgled. There's a bit of Lewis gun drum there too, but it has all the little triangular bits from a rotary timer switch.
I’d like to see what he thinks of the “twist magazine” style rocket launchers like the ascendancy. Very entertaining and hoping for more!
Funnily enough, that's somewhat similar to how the SMAW reloads IRL.
Try to do a small spinoff with legendary guns. More down to earth
What about some of division 2s exotic weapons I think it'd be interesting to see his take on some of those weapons since they are based on real firearms but have been modified ingame to be unique
Johnathan: *references Quake 2 chain gun*
IRL Scar HAMR and Ares Shrike:
"Am I a joke to you?!"
Please keep this series up, it's so good
Have him do a part 2 on 2019’s COD Modern Warfare! Have him focus on the gunsmith and DLC guns!!
He really needs to see the borderlands 3 guns
He might get a kick out of a few companies guns.
can't agree more and i echoed the request
14:30 very funny, because in halo the smg uses gel ammunition casing and does not eject brass
The lever or grip in the chaingun is actually there to spin the barrels so you can fire it properly
Having the arms reach from the bolt around the receiver also allows them to reuse the cocking animation from the Thompson-esque smg you talked about earlier
Love looking behind Jonathan and not only seeing those awesome models but that he also has The Kurgan’s sword and both Connor and Duncan Macleod’s swords from Highlander
one of the best gun series on youtube rn tbh.
i have just finished binging all of this series and a friend of mine is visiting the royal armoury on friday! God i love this man
Does anyone else love the room this is being done from? Star Trek meets Katana meets death's head curtains...
The "Chain Gun"/ Sweet Business. The Side handle is the saftey. As the trigger is where it should be. Pulling that handle back allows the barrels to spin.
i think it would be interesting to see Heir apparent or the prospector
I love how he tries to make sense of the space magic of destiny. Also I feel like teaching him the lore and abilities of each gun might be nice
makes me happy that he understands videoganes aswell adds so much to his reviews of these guns
What I love about him is that he knows firearms so well that you can essentially know what to slap together to get an irl prototype of Destiny’s weapons to get their distinctive shapes
Btw Johnathan the reason that the multimach has a bolt handle like that is that all non-exotic smgs have the same animation for reloading. It seems that it was done so they could have that style of the bolt while also keeping to the same animation so they didn't have to make a new one for just a purple gun.