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- Jonathan Ferguson, a weapons expert and Keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries, breaks down the weaponry of Destiny 2, including the Gjallarhorn rocket launcher, the bizarre Cerberus +1 shotgun, and the iconic The Last Word revolver.
00:00 - Opening
00:42 - Ace of Spades
02:40 - Dead Man’s Tale
05:33 - Duality
08:14 - Cerberus +1
10:46 - Gjallarhorn
12:59 - The Last Word
In the latest video in the Firearm Expert Reacts series, Jonathan Ferguson--a weapons expert and Keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries--breaks down more of the guns from Destiny 2 and compares them to their potential real-life counterparts.
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Destiny gun: Fires the last remnants of an eldritch gods soul
Jonathan: I'm not so sure about the feeding device....
This put a smile on my face lol
Now I understand why banshee-44 always sounds annoyed
I wanna see him react to the hive worm launcher
I'd love to see him check out more of them, especially fusion rifles. :D
I believe that alot of the confusion is because Bungie never really clearly stated how the ammo system works. I personally believe that the Ammo we load into the guns is partially converted glimmer (Glimmer in game is programmable matter that happened to be used as currency) When you pull the trigger, the converts the loaded glimmer in the chamber to the desired munition and fired it. which is why the feed systems are nonsensical by modern standards.
"it's just magic" is actually a surprisingly reasonable in-universe explanation for the mechanics of a lot of these guns
"Looks like something from a culture where weapons are more than just weapons" is also surprisingly accurate. Gjallarhorn is, in lore, designed not only as a gun, but also as a memorial to a great battle, and was forged out of the armor of the Guardians who died there.
Also, named after the horn that sounds in Asgard during Ragnarok to call fourth the warriors to fight.
It’s not surprising, it’s explanatory. Not sure why he couldn’t wrap his head around the idea of future weapons in a game where technology has advanced in ways we’re even incapable of understanding given the travelers abilities and technology.
@@brycel.8291 Maybe he couldn't wrap his head around it because he's never played destiny lol At 1:50 he literally states "I'm not familiar with the technical lore of the game"
@@brycel.8291 hes giving realistic reasons for why a weapon would and wouldnt work otherwise whats even the point of having him talk about the guns
Ya, realistically the "magic" is pretty easy to grasp at least. Data can be turned into physical mass, so instead of carrying bullets our guardian carries data packs that can be turned into bullets to fit what weapons he has. Which is why we can use the same ammo types for pistols and rifles and hand cannons. Cerberus+1 is a +1 because the energy source for the gun was actually too powerful and he was wasting energy with only 3 barrels.
The "Energy Cylinder" on the Duality Shotgun is supposably a pressurized smelting chamber that fuses the pellets into a single slug before firing.
Supposedly*
Not that it makes much more sense in terms of mechanism, but it's space magic, come on :D
i never knew that. how unbelievably unrealistic. i love it.
Which just begs the question as to why not just use slugs and skip the middleman. If they want to super heat some metal, hot slagged slugs sounds a lot less silly.
@@Valanway idk if you play destiny 2 or not but it shots pellets in hip fire and slugs when ads, still ridiculous nonetheless
"This game is really taxing my brain"
God, I can only imagine how he'd react to guns like Riskrunner, Vex Mytho, or Telesto
Considering Telesto's history, he might die
I think Crimson, Thorn, Arbalest, and Bastion would be cool. And Graviton Lance if they can have an astrophysicist help lol
Keanu
Telesto would just delete him from existence
He'll be okay with Telesto, Bungie will probably have it disabled at the time he reviews it because it's broken the game again.
Don't let him see Zhalo Supercell
Waiting patiently for Johnathan to whip out a gold lion-embellished rocket launcher from the collection
Wolves.
It's probably in there somewhere.
No, he is British, so they would be leopards…as in the royal coat of arms.
He looks like he's at home, so maybe he has one stashed in the closet
The googoogagahorn
When Jonathan said "looks like something from a culture where weapons are more than just weapons" about Gjallarhorn, he actually hit the nail on the head exactly. To pull a quote from the lore, "If there is beauty in destruction, why not also in its delivery?"
- Feizel Crux, founder of the Crux/Lomar foundry and creator of the Gjallarhorn. The wolves on the weapon are to commemorate the Guardians who fell defending the Last City during the battle of Twilight Gap; remains of their armor reclaimed from the battlefield, said to still contain a sliver of their light, were reforged into the Gjallarhorn, and when it fires, the wolfpack of Guardians past howls in reply.
In destiny one there was a cabal after action report where they described several of their drop ships being shot down by guardians using a “totemic rocket launcher” that’s clearly Gjallarhorn.
I always felt that sentence summed up destiny perfectly
I really wish they'd do borderlands 3. That Game's weapons are absolutely fokin crazy, but i think a lot of them actually still make some sense.
ok
Literally in the lore, why did no one show him the lore?
Players literally wipe out entire species for these weapons.
The hammers on Destiny hand cannons are actually functional, but you can only see this if you use a controller, and pull the trigger slowly enough. You can actually see the hammer lift and the cylinder revolve; so they're all double-action weapons.
'minor' [Paracausal] [Light] influencing on Human Physical weaponry and armor pieces, etc, GA era mechanisms (like most Handcannon designs that we have over there), other salvaged and reversed-engineered Causal-bound alien methods of weaponry sometimes, etc.
Lore-wise indeed.
I think his point on the hammer was the location. The barrel alignment is with the bottom of the cylinder and the hammer strikes at the top of the cylinder. For a conventional gun it obviously doesn't work. Probably why there is an energy cylinder rather than actual individual rounds.
Space magic. 🤣
There's a hammer, but it still doesn't make sense as the hammer is hitting the round at the top of the cylinder, but they moved the barrel to line up with the bottom of the cylinder like a Chiappa Rhino.
@@colby1398 I think the Ace runs in the energy slot, so it’s a kinetic energy weapon
@@jasutinborchert4418no it's kinetic
The important thing to remember about these guns are that they’re exotic. Most of them are supposed to be 1 of a kind weapons so they look very unique and flashy and would probably be really expensive ornamental pieces in real life.
True. That's an important point. But I belive even more important is what those guns represent.
The Gjallarhorn, being forged form the armour of gurdians who fell at Twilight Gap, contains some of the paracausal power of those fallen warriors. This wepon is more than a symbol. It is a monument to the determination and intrasingence of guardians and a promisse to those lost brothers and sisters in arms that we would continue what they gave their lifes for.
The Ace of Spades is simply THE hand canon that belonged to Cayde-6. One of the most iconic and reknown Guardians of all times.
...and so on.
ARE YOU TELLING ME that a machine Gun with a Bug inside it, which it can draw power from, isn't realistic!?
ikr.
btw. I think the most unrealistic thing about it is calling it a machine gun. The way it works, it's more like a belt-fed granade launcher.
Right!?
I dont even have time to explain why I don't have time to explain.
I agree
hello it's a bug inside of a gun is totally realistic kakis here..
Normally I feel every bit of Jonathan's frustration / confusion with nonsensical video game gun designs but as a long-time Destiny player it was hilarious to see somebody else acknowledge how weird Destiny guns are.
He hasnt even looked at normal scout-rifles. They gonna mess with his head
Kinda wish it was also Legendary weapons in there that make more sense as well-none of these are common, so it's sorta a bad intro to a degree. Yes, most players have them, but they're supposed to be true 'uniques'. One of a kind. Stuff like Chroma Rush or Legal Action or similar are more common.
I've also always had the feeling that 'kinetic' weapons are sometimes just elemental-less energy weapons in some cases...makes sense with some of the hand cannons and various other ones.
I gotta say, it feels good to see someone else point out how strange handcannon “cylinders” are. I just didn’t think too hard about it cause I figured they needed to have lots of different capacities and didn’t want to animate it.
@Fluffywolf O to me I just thought of it as "futuristic high-tec take on a revolver" and didn't think much more of it.
@@fluffywolfo3663 for what it's worth the break-action HCs like Dire Promise do actually have visible cylinders and will have empty chambers if you reload with less than their visual capacity of ammo in the gun. But of course you can also just have like 12 rounds in those 8 shot cylinders too, lol
I wonder how he'll react when he learns that the Cerberus+1 has a reverse damage falloff to a certain point. i.e. bullets increase in damage with distance rather than decrease up to a certain point, at which the bullet damage begins to decrease as video games normally have it.
Wait I didn't know that
Are we going to ignore the fact that it's powered by a "microstellar dynamo" (which I assume is a miniature artificial star.)
Oh and it's containment system is broken. So it might explode with the force of a dying star.
@@benm6893 So could I, in theory, use it as a grenade?
@@UnGodlyGod7365 yeah a grenade with the power to destroy multiple planets... xD
hmmm time to infuse mine with a 1500 blue and use it as a mid/long range gun
It's also worth mentioning that the revolvers are called Hand Cannons, and most are half-a-meter long.
Yeah, those things are gigantic.
And that’s not to mention that Sidearms, the more conventional looking pistol weapons, are also a separate class of weapon and tend to look comically tiny by comparison, especially those with fewer additions or cosmetic silencers like Spoiler Alert lol
@@anewhero1216 anhilliator yes....ridiculously Lore-wise perspective of some Guardian Weapons indeed.
one mention about some of our rounds being used and [Paracausal] [Light]-Infused, mainly me remembering Pulse Rifle or Auto Rifle casings? were like shooting average warship-like Kinetic-based rounds.
There is no way a supposed average titan is 4 hand cannons tall
Then there’s the Forerunner, which is the size of a hand cannon but with the mechanisms of a sidearm
You can view a Guardian holding a hand cannon right there in your inventory screen and see that there is zero chance they are half a meter long.
Kinetic firearms in the Destiny universe rely on programmable smart matter. Most of them literally manufacture cartridges inside the gun, with the magazine being just a supply of raw materials for an internal fabricator. For the ones that don't, ammo is made by your Ghost and teleported into your hand when you reload. Then again, this is a weird mix of both high tech and high magic in one setting, so pretty much anything is possible.
I'm so glad you explained this because I've played destiny since taken king and I just labeled it suspension of disbelief and called it good lol
It's like in Borderlands where the concept of Digistruct let's you digitally construct almost near anything into a physical thing. Ammo, weapons, living things, and the list goes on
@@RuiNDieM1988 Well, Destiny has plenty of weapons that are just magic wands with extra steps, but the kinetic guns are plausible enough if you account for the tech level.
From a realism perspective, it makes sense to keep using cartridges, even with this level of advanced technology. Cases are fantastically good at removing waste heat from the chamber. Prototype polymer cased ammo contains and eliminates heat even better than brass. Cartridges will probably never go away as long as we're using chemical propellant firearms.
Not sure how kinetic Omolon guns work though. They kinda look like magnetohydrodynamic squirt guns, like the Thanix Cannon or Reaper ship weapons from Mass Effect. More mass accelerator than firearm. I think the Fallen wire rifle probably works in a similar manner.
@@icyknightmare4592 Honestly whenever the question on how Omolon guns work comes up I just assume that they use some kind of non newtonian fluid that can be infused with the different elements.
There's also energy weapons who mostly use batteries and liquid ammo
“This game is really taxing my brain”
…y’all he’s only seen 6 guns so far…
I cannot wait to see what they show him, hopefully they get to THE COLONY soon, its one of my favorite looking weapons mechanically.
I hope they show him the Malfeasance, just to see what he makes of it... Bonus points if they use the taken ornament on it.
And he had only seen 2 guns when he said that line haha!
Just wait for him to see the new worm launching grenade launcher when Witch Queen drops
I think Warscliff Coil or Eyes of Tomorrow would be fun.
I hope they show him Jotunn
The Gjallarhorn is made to be ornamental, basically. It's made from the remenants of dead guardians, the guys you play as, who died during a massive battle. It's made to be as beautifull as possible.
Lore-wise etc, indeed.
My favorite was him attempting to explain Dead Man's Tale, specifically the sights! That was funny.
Runner ups are how the Cerberus +1's name defeats itself and Gjallerhorn being from "a culture where weapons are more than just weapons." G-horn nailed it if he was able to glean that just from looking at the weapon itself. The lore says as much and I was quite pleased when he said that.
Imagine explaining to him the rounds somehow have tracking, proximity explosion and the mini fragments also have tracking and proximity explosion and that they can target more than one target .
@@gabrielalves303 You'd not be explaining something that's too difficult for him to understand considering how modern guided missiles can operate similar to GHorn by firing a single round with tracking that splits into smaller rounds with tracking.
Cerberus's name is explained in it's lore tab.
Basically, a Guardian crashed their ship onto a barren section of the Tangled Shore while carrying a Golden Age experimental power source. All their gear was lost, ship totaled. There were weapon parts scattered around, so they slapped a bunch of Auto Rifle parts together, using the power source to power the weapon, but with only 3 barrels the power was too much, so they slapped an additional barrel on and that seemed to work.
@@PhoenixOfArcadia I know. I have the weapon and even the Four-Headed Mongrel (ironically a more fitting name) skin. Used it mostly on my Titan. Was even really excited when I first got it as a random drop years ago. But he is right regardless, the name does not make sense. I was pointing out what he said because it was funny and true. Cerberus is a three headed dog. Doesn't matter if you add one head or one hundred, it is no longer a Cerberus if it doesn't have three heads. Period. That's why I said the name works against itself and why I found it funny. So the fact that Jeza chose to call it what they did despite what I mentioned makes it humorous. To me at least.
@@Ethonra what was he even trying to guess-explain further? the Lore texts and even the very short perks' descriptions are there and he didn't even choose to get more understanding from each of those Guardian Weapons' that would have already explained their feats to him.
"Looks like something from a culture where weapons are more than just weapons" absolutely spot on. In the lore, Gjallarhorn was made as not just a rocket launcher, but a memorial to the Battle of Twilight Gap, an important battle against an alien race called the Fallen for control of the source of the power that Guardians hold, a massive white ball in the sky called the Traveler, and the Last City which was built under it. Gjallarhorn was made from the armor of the Guardians that fell there. It's also named after Gjallar, the horn that Heimdall blows from Asgard to signal the start of Ragnarok and call the warriors to battle one final time before the destruction of the nine worlds.
Before the destruction of the…Nine…worlds…?
The Nine Realms in Norse mythology, of course.
Guardians and Mandalorians are the same..Our weapons are our religion. LOL
Honestly all you have to do is look at the flavor text:
“If there is beauty in destruction, why not also in its delivery?”
-Fiezel Crux
When he said that linek, I had to go to the comments section and CTRL-F search for "culture" because I knew others must've appreciated it. What an insightful and imaginative thing for this man to say.
"It looks like something from a culture where weapons are more than just weapons". Very astute take, accurate to the lore!
"It's part of my religion"
The golden age
This absolutely needs a part 2. I'd love to see Johnathan's reaction to some of the more space magic-y or weird weapons in the game. The ones shown in this video are rather tame.
My guess is that was 100% by design. He’s an actual weapons expert. Not sure how much insight he’d have (or how much criticism he could offer) on live captive worm god launchers or laser bolts that vaporize anything they touch.
Seems like he stuck to weapons with kinetic projectiles since they are more "real world"rather than energy weapons.
@@cimirie01 Doesn't care about the Lore explanation Unfortunately.
should have done and having reacted by some other instead.
@@tylerweston7111 I thought so as well.
but for some reason the other Exotics like [SUROS Regime], [Thunderlord], etc was not even here.
and the [Gjallarhorn]s are very well still supernaturally-Infused by the origins of what was actually forged out of even a single [Gjallarhorn]'s.
Just so you know, most guns in destiny utilise a teleportation technology known as transmat, and create ammunition on the fly from programmable matter. Most of the things you load guns with is materials to transmat bullets into the barrel, this is how most of the handcannons work, as well as scout rifles
"...or it's just magic."
That's it. He solved it.
Honestly, I'd love to see him react to other Destiny guns, especially stuff like snipers and shotguns. Imagine having to explain Whisper of the Worm to this guy lol
I mean, the mechanism for Whisper is explainable, it’s the aesthetic that’s magic
@@onefastsled Mechanics of old Whisper are not explainable, you shoot thrice in the head and it manifests 3 bullets back out of thin air.
It's not magic
It's space worm magic okay?
Totaly different
telesto lol
@@vanilla5930 not even Bungie itself can explain telesto at this point
The Cerberus+1 according to its lore was crafted from various broken and scavenged weapons by a guardian who had been shot down behind enemy lines,lost their weapons in the crash and was in dire need a weapon that didn't necessarily had to last forever but at least long enough for the guardian to find their way back to friendly territory.
Then you'd think they would want to make something that works.
@@erikbovee2158 it does already work
@@erikbovee2158 Hey, when you have Space Magic, you'd be surprised what works.
I'm pretty sure a large chunk of Guardian weaponry operates on Ork Principles.
@@56bturn Then they should definitely paint it red for maximum shootyness.
@@erikbovee2158
If they are behind enemy lines they should also use void for purple sneakiness
I will say this, Mr Ferguson: It's magic.
Destiny's setting is explicitly science fantasy. The Warlock character class, for example, is not called that because of any esoteric military tradition; it's called that because the Warlock is literally a wizard. In one respect, this actually works well for the weapon design because they can make them as cool or weird as they like, and they could reasonable still work fine because, as stated, they are quite literally magic. (It also harkens back to fantasy fiction where the signature weapons used by the heroes often times had extra embellishments meant to show status or to otherwise set them apart from the rank and file, which fits as the player character is more akin to a Knight of the Round Table rather than a man-at-arms)
i agree wholeheartedly with this comment i couldnt have said it better myself
He's a Warhammer 40k guy, just tell him the guns work like Ork guns work. Dakka.
@@Dhips. that's... not entirely inaccurate....
@@PhycoKrusk Magic.
@@Dhips. Not one of those [old rules]-bounded laws.
though something like the esper-ish Psion capabilities, one may just simply look through that area then.
Gosh bless this man, him trying to figure out the Dmt's un ornamented (as well as burial wrap and Remembrance ornaments) iron sights is just its both heart warming in a way but also kinda wish they just showed him the Dead Man's Revenge skin, would have been a lot easier to wrap his head around.
I would definitely love to see a part 2 with some other exotics that are more whacky. I would love to see him react to some omolon weapons with the liquid ammo. Also colony and xenophage.
I'd love to see graviton lance
@@leviathanqueen3780 That and Lord of Wolves, I'd love to see him try and wrap his head around those two guns
@@technologydragon305 for sure
Ah yes sunspot
I want him to look at thorn and how it shoots giant spikes
Johnathan got as confused as I expected him to get and I loved every second of it :3
Who types “:3” in 2022
:3
@@jackking9271 naraki vlogs obviously
@@jackking9271 :3
Good that he didn't see the cursed image of a weapon that is Eyes of Tomorrow.
apparently the energy bit in Duality is supposed to be molten metal ammo, and depending on your firing mode, thats how its shaped before cooling *as* its going down the barrel, needing those holes to cool faster
Gjallerhorn’s animal heads are a reference to the guns main perk, “Wolf Pack Rounds” which are the little blue cluster things that get ejected after the rockets impact
Also fun fact, with the D1 version at least, the artist added a wolf head for each day he worked on the gun's design.
they are the combined [Paracausal] [Light] influenced from Permanently dead Lightbearer Guardians after that horrific 2nd major Last City Battle at the Gap.
I would've liked to see him react to some of the legendary weapons instead. The exotics all tend to lean way more into the space magic side of the game, while most legendaries are much more ground in reality (both aesthetics and function).
Also a note on ghallarhorn: the weapon is, quite literally, a work of art. It's made from the armor of guardians who died defending Earth settlements from alien invasion during a particularly gruesome battle. So the weapon is meant as a tribute to their sacrifice.
yea itd be nice to see some hakke legendaries since they're meant to be more grounded and "practical"
And there's a whopping three of them. The first of Destiny 2 Year 1 is of that battle, then Year 3's made from the Iron Lords' looks a good bit different in tribute to it's real lore, and our brand new one looks different by miles as we craft it ourselves from others lost in the events of Destiny 2's launch story, not counting the Ornament you can earn for it.
it's not really an artistic tribute since the armour of the guardians is imbued with their wearers' light and the main purpose for using the armour is to use the light to make it the most powerful man opperated weapon in existence.
@@4whomittolz846 It is artistic and they could have molded it however they want. Which, they did. The ornaments it has are not directly from the armor taken, but instead shaped in tribute to them all.
@@StellaBloodroseWatch there were more than three because all the survivors of Twilight Gap were given one - Drifter infamously pawned his off. However they were all destroyed in the Red War (as far as we know) until our character found some pieces of it and was able to rebuild a working version of it (which is kinda strange considering that Crux and Lomar were legendary gunsmiths and our Guardian or Shaw Han are not but still)
From my experience with Destiny 2, the Ace of Spades "hand cannon" is using a technology that uses a power cell to power a process in which a type of energy is used to manifest solid bullets within the chamber. So, there are no actual individual cartridges being loaded into the gun, aside from the power cell itself. Think of it as perhaps quantum or nano technology creating solid particles from energy to build a bullet every single time you pull the trigger.
Glimmer is programmable matter so essentially its like an chamber or glimmer being inserted and converted to bullets
Cayde 6 would be proud
Ace of Spades is Tex Mechanica I think
Like the 3D Printer Rifle from Advanced Warfare
@@thegamiac9539 I don’t think it’s glimmer because glimmer is the primary currency and idk anyone crazy enough to literally shoot their money
I'd love to see Jonathan react to more Destiny 2 guns, especially a lot of the more readily-used legendaries and some of the more less-used but conventional-looking exotics. I'd also like to hear his thoughts on the guns in The Division 2 and in Borderlands (any of the games from the Borderlands series would do, but the best ones would probably be Borderlands 2 or 3).
Nooooo! I didnt want this to end so soon, i was waiting for him to see Thorn and its projectile, Whisper of the Worm, Outbreak Perfected, Izanagi's Burden and the sound of the Honed edge being loaded etc. It would have helped him have more fun that trying to rationalise it. Looking forward to a part 2 with the truly interesting weapons.
I just noticed something that Jonathan missed about the Dead Man's Tale: despite it having an ejection port on the left side, *it ejects out the right side somehow.*
There are a number of revolvers in the game that ejects a spent casing when fired as well. Hawkmoon is one.
Or that it's loaded by feeding rounds into what would normally be an ejection port... when there's a perfectly good loading port right below it!
yeah just FOKIN SPACE MAGIK M8
@@Icefyre0 for what it's worth that's a bug, a bunch of new hand cannons as of Beyond Light started doing that and they fixed it for some (maybe all? not sure if any still do)
I mean, if time wasn’t a constraint, I imagine he could’ve gone on for much longer on all of these ‘guns’ lol
As weird as the hand cannon reloads are I kind of understand why it's handled the way it is. Various hand cannons have varying ammo capacities and there are a lot of ways to modify a weapon's capacity in game. They didn't want to model individual cartridges in the cylinder because it would rarely match up with the weapon's actual ammo capacity so they just went with a single big cylinder.
I was actually surprised he didn't catch that the "cylinder" only has a single primer right in the center. If you have a quick eye, you can see that the discarded cylinder does have a dent in that primer. They _really_ didn't want to bother making the appearance match the capacity.
And somehow seventh seraph revolver and malfeasance (idk the other weapons have this or not) have that individual cartridges visible probably 6 rounds in the cylinder and yet they have 15++ rounds!!! You can't never make sense in destiny 😂.
I'm probably going to say this a few times, but they're not actually loading live rounds if my memory serves. Glimmer, the in game currency, is programmable matter, something that conforms to the design of its' user. The exact process I do not know, but it stands to reason that the various cylinders and such being loaded in Destiny are actually glimmer mags that then get programmed into bullets before being fired. Energy weapons are easier, it's all probably just batteries or gas (as is the case with blasters in Star Wars)
@@asheblackflight1720 that would line up with the fact that ALL of gardian weaponry can work with on of 3 standard ammo types (white, green and purple). The same ammo brick can power a revolver (Eriana's Vow) or cold space lazer (Cold Heart) for example. If it where not for glimmer... that would have been a heck of a standardization feat.
@@asheblackflight1720 As I understand it, that's the lore reason we had ammo synths in Destiny 1. Our ghost could reprogram the glimmer in each one into whatever ammo we needed. Like the guy above me said, it's the same reason we pick up generic ammo bricks that work for all of our weapons.
Edit: I can't speak to all energy weapons, but Omolon weapons specifically use a proprietary liquid ammunition.
Somehow my first time seeing Jonathan recording outside the museum and I’m noticing the background collection. Always happy to see a fellow BsG, Star Trek, and Expanse fan!
A part two would be great! I’m curious how he’d react to the other tex mechanica or Hakke weapons
I didn't think they'd have him look at Destiny guns but here we are. Destiny is full of wacky space magic that accounts for most of the weird stuff in game, some of the guns are sentient, some have been modified with said space magic, it's usually looks over functionality. Still fun to see him try to wrap his head around them
Some are even made from the remains our of enemies. And still others have crazy ai robot technology in it.
Nos i’m waiting for borderlands
@Timer the cheese guy The Halfdan-D looks like a basic M4/SCAR type gun. And the Seventh Seraph AR looks like a funky MK47.
The only destiny gun that wasn't looks over functionality was the very first assault rifle that you pick up in destiny 1 (Khvostov 7G-02). That was like the only grounded design that you could see being mimicked in real life 🤣 the description even says it's an ancient rifle used in some war on earth back in the day
Same here, I’m really happy he’s looking at the Destiny 2 weapons
The revolvers in destiny 2 do actually have functional double action hammers, they just didn’t show any console footage of the hammers working
The hammer and cylinder rotating as you pull the trigger is one of my favorite small details in Destiny.
@@Call-Me-_-Shadow i loved doing that when I played on PS4
2 things I miss after moving to m&k:
This
Being able to walk
Pleasantly surprised to see that legitimate salvage up on the shelf! Saw the BSG stuff first and thought to myself ‘wonder if he likes the expanse too?’ And then the model next to them just fell into place as the Roci.
With duality, the ammo is more like a battery system feeding a forge, and the person changed firing modes by leaning into the mechanism behind the stock when it’s put into the shoulder when aiming.
Absolutely loved this video. Would really love a part two with Icebreaker, Thorn, Salvation’s Grip, Malfeasance, The Lament, Xenophage, The Colony etc
MA MAN you're here
Jonathan would probably lose it with some of those
Icebreaker is a D1 weapon unfortunately
Let's get weirder and watch the poor man's brain melt
I want him to react to 1K and vex mythoclast
And someone to tell him that 1K is the heart of a god-like eldritch being turned into a firey beam of death that literally overexcites atoms to annihilate anything and vex mythoclast is a tool used by an interdimensional alien cyborg species to deconstruct matter at an atomical level.
We need a part 2. Somebody needs to record his reaction to the projectile that comes out of thorn
We need to see his reaction to the new Parasyte Heavy grenade launcher and the Xenophage Machine gun.
Hear hear! I want to see his reaction to Monte Carlo's ridiculous "bayonet". Or Lumina :D
lol weapons of sorrow are just mindboggling.
After showing him Thorn, we break his mind with Riskrunner...
I feel like Crimson would be fun. Or we'd get cool history on actual burst fire revolvers if those exist
please do a part 2 :) Really enjoyed it!
So happy to see this game's guns being reacted to!! I can't WAIT to see even more, especially some of the non-exotics too!
The funny thing about Cerberus is that in game it was literally thrown together from a shipment of auto rifle parts that came out of a crashed ship, all thrown together and given power by the little glowy bit on the side, which is an alien power cell stolen from evil space robots filled with living milk..... so seems about right.
Mmmmm Vex milk
@@Subsistence69 vex milk waterfalls 🤤
Just a heads up but Destiny 2's revolvers all have functional hammers. You can only see this when using a controller cause you cant partially pull the trigger with a mouse but you can partially pull the trigger on your controller and see the hammer move downward
Finally, someone else who knows about that! 👍
@@DarthLevicor i learned it on complete curiosity like i just randomly asked myself one day ''i wonder if this works like an actual revolver'' lol
@@sonicrose8430 Ever since I first saw a game include functional hammers (I don't remember what game) I always test to see if a game also includes it. It's just a habit now.
@@Random_19
I think I first noticed it in The Darkness 1 on Xbox 360
Guns I want Mr. Ferguson to see from Destiny:
- Consipirator, the infamous scout rifle whose magazine is fed directly under the thumb hole at the grip.
- Any VEIST SMGs, whose magazines presumably contains ammo way smaller than the barrel by a huge margin.
- Chaperone, like jesus christ.
- Arbelest, being a kit-bashed rebar launcher and all.
- Lord of Wolves, because I want to melt his brain just a little bit trying to figure out how the shells work.
- Colony, because yeah: explosive robot bugs.
I would definitely watch another one of these, Jonathan was fantastic!
"But luckily, we have an Ace of Spades here in our collection!"
If they had an ace of spades world peace would have been solved long ago
Show him the No Land Beyond. I think he'll appreciate a bolt action rifle that has a random gas tube bolted on under the barrel.
Sweet buisness has a pull-handle somehow
Rockets in D1 with tripod
Self retracting ammo belts when reloading LMGs
@@Dakota__69 well in Destiny's defense in rocket launchers. The Rocket launchers Definitely dont seem to be mad to be wielded by hand
@@rougeelite1446 nono tripod was a weapon perk for rocket launchers in D1 that let you have three rockets in the tube at once. He doesn't literally mean a tripod to mount your weapon onto.
Always the best person to break down sci-fi and fantasy firearms.
Some people go too much into the lore of the power systems and mechanisms, others get too picky about the fantastical elements.
I love the way these videos ride the line: acknowledging the reality that inspired the designs, while still acknowledging that some mechanisms may be tangible within the lore of that franchise.
Discussing the revolver cylinder, others might have said the reload block couldn't hold 13 rounds, Jonathan suggests that the magazine could have been the entire swingout cylinder to maximize space.
Xzibit references, a discussion about the popularization of hammer fanning, some saltiness about the misnomer "guided rocket". But still showed some intrigue about the arrangement of cartidges and how that might pertain to a slug v shot selector, and skepticism about the cowboy action feeding from the magazine.
Keep it up Jonathan! I'd choose you over Ian for these types of videos any day!
Love watching an outside perspective on guns in this game. There's a lot of futuristism and magic in the lore about the guns in game but this was entertaining
Should've started with the khvostov to lower his expectations, then bring in something like the 4th horsemen lol
If you want them to bring out the Bad Omens to try and make things better. You’d have my exact loadout I used in the crucible in the season of the worthy
hate to break it to you but the 4th horseman also has a basis in reality. You can look at it as a combination of the SRM 1216 and a sort of double barrelled shotgun taken to the extreme by doubling the barrels once more. Royal Armouries has a number of shotguns in its collection with more than 2 or 3 barrels that are single shot break action.
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Only one barrel actually fires shots though, also it holds 5 rounds instead of 4 like the number of barrels would imply. It also shoots full auto but is simultaneously pump action at the same time.
I would love to see his thoughts on Izanagi's Burden, Arbalest, Lament, Wardcliff Coil and the Fourth Horseman - all very interesting guns mechanically!
I wanna see him collapse trying to figure out malfeasance
Ah yes, Lament, my favorite gun
@@supercato9613 to be fair, it uses ammo and has a trigger
Ah yes, Izanagi burden which can convert 4 bullets into one stronger bullet. Somehow...
Fourth Horseman has to be one of the most realistic exotics in D2.
Interesting point. The ornament that duality had on it changed the layout of the shots. The Binary function and base look have a circular layout.
If you do a part two - and I'd love a part two, I really like Destiny weapons - please let him read the lore about the guns if they have any!! And maybe also the exotic perks, since those are unique to a particular exotic.
Suggested guns: Kvostov (original and/or rebuilt version), Thorn and/or Lumina, Thunderlord, Perfect Paradox, Whisper of the Worm.
I like when he mentions that it seems that the weapons come from a culture where weapons are more than just that, when in the destiny lore they really are more than just weapons
Ghorn: Forged from fallen guardians at twilight gap
Super good advice: Made to have an ai so the owner was never truly alone
Thorn: Dredgen Yors darkness infused hand cannon fuelled by hate
It reminds me of that scene in star gate where the humans are comparing their P90 to that alien race's decorative laser spear weapon thing. Destiny's guns are meant to be shown off in a sort of way. Think of it like how people back in the day would put fancy gold patterns and designs and such on their firearms so they stood out and almost had an ornamental look to them, or like how knights would have heraldry painted onto their armor with fancy ornaments attached onto it. The guns aren't just for function but for pride, status etc etc
im sad he didnt do thorn
"Normally things with fins fly."
Now I need to see Jonathan's reaction to seeing a fish XD
isn't swimming just flying thorugh water?
@@KIWI_DUDE. Water is basically just really thick air, so yes.
The Royal armouries in Leeds is a must visit. Love the live shows there. The HEMA & jousting on display is magnificent
Been waiting for this one for so long!
I'd love to see more of this! Destiny has some crazy guns like the Whisper of the Worm, 1 thousand voices, Heir Apparent, Telesto, etc
I eagerly await him pulling Telesto out of the armory and London requiring 6 hours of downtime and a hotfix.
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He would be obliterated by looking at it.
@@NeilMcGlashan praise the almighty telesto
Wait till he sees vex mythoclast
Should've seen eyes of tomorrow.
Destiny does indeed have some magical elements which can allow for some whacky firearms! Certain weapon manufacturer's (specifically Omolon) use liquid based ammo which helps wrap your brain around the whole "how does this small gun have such a large ammo capacity" kind of deal.
and the purple juice taste like grape... that's all I had to say
I'd love to see what he thinks of the Glaive. Also sort of a shame someone didn't think to have him look at Pribina-D, which had actual chambers you loaded with a speedloader.
I’d like to see Jonathan analyze some other Destiny guns from the weapon foundries like Häkke and Tex Mechanica, simply because they seem to be the most “realistic” in appearance and operation haha. Also the very first rifle you get in the game, Khvostov! I like that he thought of Chiappa revolvers right away. I think Mateba revolvers have some very similar designs to those in the game, too. Great video, much love from Texas!
As much as i love this series, i feel like these where rather tame examples as opposed to stuff like vex mythoclast, The toaster (Jotunn), bad juju, Graviton lance, ect but i guess its the lore that makes the some of the exotics more intresting
Don't forget about The Colony.
@@durandol and the upcoming worm launcher my dude
@@cayde-7486 yeetus fetus
Don't forget about Sunshot! Or Thorn!
How did you not get him to react to graviton lance, a gun that literally shoots black holes?
Would have broke him
They'd have to get an astronomer for that
Mmmmmm....One thousand voices? :)
Or 2 tailed fox the gun the week gun that launches a mini sun and black hole
@@RuiNDieM1988 It just smells like free content to me lol
ide love to be able to explain to him that the duality fires buck shot when hip fire and when you aim down the sights yes the character would be flipping a switch as the energy in the center of the gun actually melts down the buck shot into a solid slug to fire
For the whole reload issue with Ace of Spades : The cylinder is probably just some sort of container for Glimmer (which is programmable matter in the game), hence why it also holds way more rounds than a regular revolver should anyways.
I love the overwhelming amount of Tex Mechanica weapons in this video. They are obviously the best weapons foundry in game
That's not how you spell. Black Armory
I'd love to see Jonathan do a second episode with some of the guns from the upcoming expansion, I can't imagine what he'd make of the "Worm Launcher"
😂
A. And the Wardliff Coil XD
B. And I'd love to see him break down a bunch of Legendaries to see if he enjoys the more tame weapons or not.
I love rewatching episodes like this where Johnathan get's thing right about the weapons by accident/through his knowledge. He said Gjallarhorn looked like it was "from a culture where guns are more than just guns" and with Gjallarhorn that's right since forging the gun yourself is a right of passage in the lore of Destiny.
I want another d2 analysis. This was incredibly intriguing
Wow, wouldn't have thought they would make him react to Destiny 2 guns of all games, but I'm not complaining. Was very fun to watch and was surprisingly very informative. Great video!
One thing I'd like to note is that these were exotic weapons, so very rare and/or one of a kind in lore. So it would be great if he was let know and if he also got a bit of lore/explanation on the guns (how they work and their story) after he reacts to them, so he can still make his own deductions. Could also mix in some "basic" guns in there too.
I'd love to see a part 2, with even more fantastical weapons, like Devil's Ruin, Witherhoard, Izanagi's. Also fusion rifles/trace rifles would be good.
1k voices or the thorn lol
Rat king XD
regarding ace of spades specifically: cayde does actually load it with individual rounds like a traditional revolver in the first forsaken cutscene.
I love Johnathon's room with his star track stuff
Cool video, I wish they had branched out from just the "Tex Mechanica" foundry weapons, the old west inspired types, and looked at some of the truly whacky ones like thorn, jotuun, wardcliff coil, or arbalest. Plenty of neat guns and they kinda just went with whatever ones seemed most realistic, not that they even were at all.
omolon weapons would've been funny to see
@@frlfrl2098 I was gonna say "Or literally anything by Omolon.". Friggin space water guns XD
How do you even relate fusion rifles to real life though
@Subsistence High RoF burst-fire maybe? Also thank you for your service, you’re one of my favorite perks in the game
@@evanvankampen7528 Ill always have you covered 👍🏻
I wouldve loved to see Tommy's matchbook. Classic tommygun in a scifi style
10:18 I'm guessing that the "Cerberus +1" is in some way based on the LeMat revolver, but with the three outside barrels working as a very slow multibarrel gun like the Minigun and with a automatic shotgun in the middle. Or something like that 🙂
Cerberus+1 is an automatic rifle that pretends to be a shotgun by shooting from 4 barrels simultaneously.
If you slap it on a side it pretends a little better and lowers fire rate and range, but increases damage.
Actually the first revolver does have a functional hammer, but you only notice if you very slowly squeeze the trigger on a controller. It's not fully realistic because the hammer continues to go back until the exact instant of firing, but it is a proper hammer.
I can definitely see Destiny gun reviews being a series similar to Tarkov, except with wacky guns and a small mix of realistic ones. The reason being there are so many different guns from the franchise that would either be interesting, or more grounded in reality
Petition to have Jonathan read through all the functionality of the MIDA Multi Tool scout rifle. Wanna know what he thinks about a gun shaped floatation device
I'm pretty sure there's no exaustive list of the functionalities of the MIDA Multi Tool. but I could be wrong
+1
Or show him Telesto. I'd really love to see him melt from that.
@@Ragnar_Oock one cannot list infinity D:
Always lovely to see Jonathan again. Would love to see him cover the weapons from the DOOM games!
That was extremely fun to watch. More please! 😁 Do a series on all Destiny weapons.
1:55 You would be right that there is a lore reason for that. The guns in Destiny don't load bullets but instead load a form of programmable matter known as glimmer that the gun converts into the projectile. Icebreaker is a super efficient version of this which is why it doesn't need reloading in game.
I would love to see even more videos about destiny guns. There is so much wacky stuff here, you've barely scratched the surface. In particular the omolon guns would be interesting to see, as in lore they have liquid ammo that hardens when fires, like a sort of non-newtonian fluid. Any of the scout rifles would be quite fun too, most of them are bullpup with a thumbhole stock, and its not entirely clear how ammo from the frankly tiny magazine gets into the chamber past the grip. I could go on and on, but honestly I'd rather watch him do it!
He nailed the thing about gjallahorn being more than just a weapon
Thinking about duality for a second it's almost like it would work with a metal storm style round (multiple electrically fired projectiles in a single casing) with a progressive trigger, hip firing uses a full trigger pull shooting one projectile from each round, while ADS would be a half pull only firing a single projectile. I may be over thinking it but it's an interesting thought.
Honestly I'd love to see Johnathan talk about the weirder exotis in the game. That and I'd like to see him talk about some of the legendary weapons.
How I know Jonathan is an expert;
I see a weapon design and think, "oh that's interesting"
Jonathan sees a weapon design, "I need to turn my brain off don't I?"
Off topic but quite impressed with Johnathan’s model collection in the background, a bunch of BSG Vipers in there and is that the Rocinante in the middle?
I wished they showed what the guns looked like fired slowly, cause revolvers and I think the DMT let you see the mechanisms move as you gradually pull on your controller’s trigger to fire
I’d love to see destiny guns turn into its own mini series as there is so many and would be brilliant to get your take on them.
Agree strongly
Completely agree
I love how they ONLY chose weapons from Tex Mechanica which are the most kind of almost based on reality style of gun. I'd have loved to see Jonathan check out the Wardcliff Coil, the Jotunn, or even something like Symmetry to really fry his brain :D
>gjallerhorn
>tex mechanica
Maybe the extra barrels for the cerberus are part of an elaborate gas system that allows for the standard fire as well as some kind of high speed burst for the shotgunning?
That’s was really cool and informative.!! 👏👍
Such a shame that they didn't have him look at some of the legendary weapons, they only showed exotics which are by far the most "out there" weapons Destiny offers. Exotics are literally 100% Sci fi fantasy by design, it would have been nice to have him look at some of the legendary weapons that stay in the meta, like Night Watch or some of the sub/heavy machine guns.
Sad he didn’t see gjallahorn with the catalyst, I’d love to see him loose it when you reload 1 rocket and 2 show up in the ammo.
@@KushTiger96 God forbid he sees Truth with 3 rockets
I wonder how he would feel about Paydays weaponry especially with the customisation
short barrel minigun short barrel minigun short barrel minigun
Having watched a showcase of all the guns, I can tell he's gonna have to spend A LOTTA time cuz it takes like 30-45mins with just the reloads and like 1h 20-45mins with the firing.
Something of note on duality: there actually is some sort of visible mechanism on top of the gun around the chamber that is attached to that rod on top that moves and changes depending on if you are aiming down sights or hip firing. Doesn't really work in a realistic way but hey its destiny and at least they put the effort in to make a visual change in the gun to show theres something going on mechanically when you ADS.
I knew the still images of the Gjallarhorn looked familiar...
Those are from a video project of mine back in 2018, before the weapon was added into Destiny 2