Morty fell to betrayal out of unresolved anger towards dad, but he fell to Chaos only to save his legion. He didn’t do so out of desire for power, but because when the pain was too much for him, he knew his sons were dying without death. He is a sad case
I would say he fell to Chaos long before then. Who but someone already corrupted by Chaos (even if he wouldn’t admit it to himself) sacrifices his bodyguards and legion geneseed in a secret ritual to summon a daemon?
It was really sad when the villagers were celebrating their first victory on Barbarus and he had to ask Typhon what the fuck they were doing because he had no concept of joy
Loragr definitely. Instead of burning down his city and humiliating him, I don’t know fucking talk to him, have him operate with the ultramarines in the lead only. Fucking anything but the absolute lunacy big E did
Mortarion is like Perturabo - embodying something he thinks he hates. Perturabo thinks he's a sensitive artist, but he yearns for the trenches. Mortarion thinks he hates the Warp, but was more about superstition and ritual than MAGNUS. It may have been bad circumstances that broke them, but they were broken.
Erda: I had to protect my kids from Big E ambition! Morty: P S Y K E R S! Also i am just picturing that one south park clip where Eric Cartman injects himself with Apple Juicr to get stinky fart... 😂
🟢 Loyalist Mortarion, raised by farmers, who with discipline and determination used his psychic power to destroy the Necromancers and liberate his world, then commanding the harsh Librarians of his tough Death Guard. Despite the poisonous air, Barbarus progresses and becomes an Agri-World. Librarian Crysos Morturg's valiant sacrifice, opening the Dark Glass and allowing Loyalist Death Guard and Mortarion to reach and defend Terra. Since Lorgar, Angron and Mortarion are Loyalists, Horus and Jaghatai are the new Daemon Primarchs of Nurgle. (poisonous wolves and poisonous tigers) ⚪ The Scythes of the Emperor, the Doom Eagles and the Mortifactors. One of the three is worthy of being the new XIV Legion. What makes me think of the Scythes of the Emperor as the new XIV Legion are the Nurgle Wraiths and Hexwraiths (because of their symbol).
🟢 Raised by villagers and fighting Necromancers, Loyalist Mortarion discovers and strengthens his power as a Psyker, later giving personal teaching to his own Librarians. Traitor Typhon, who used his poisonous psychic power to corrupt his companions and escape in his plagued ship, vowing vengeance in Nurgle's name against the uncorrupted Pale King of Barbarus.
That's not a rumor. That's a thing the emperor claimed after deus ex machina him away to save Gulliman. And I think that that would be bad for all death guard players and also really dumb. Why would mortarion ever join an Emperor he hates?
@@meisterhyperion207 >Be Morty > Hate the Warp as his main character trait > Joins the Warp side > Big E like glares at him and he instantly wrong and wants out Morty is a wanker who cant decide what he wants and Big E would take a knight off the table and bunch of Nurgle Power.
So I'm predicting a redemption arch for morty. Here is my reason why cause it can be expanded upon. So nurgle has that aldari god of healing and life imprisoned as a undying test subject that always has a factory reset which can cure all corruption and papa nurgle isn't happy with morty and that Uncleanone for having some his garden burn during that dark imperium saga and nurgle personally blames the two I can see morty freeing the aldari to cure himself or his legion but the aldari god of healing presents him with a choice him or his legion can be saved... and he chooses the emporer to be saved and the corpse king and the holy emporer himself is back in the grimdark
I love mortarion prob my top 2 primarchs I think we have to look at the interaction from the emperor talking to Morty in god blight where he tells him that he will free him / return eventually but not yet …. Either this is just a carrot gesture for giving GW future choices in lore or it is planned. I think as well mortarion also realised the emperor is also a being of the warp in a fashion so would never be able to truly trust him / it . add in the way he was denied help with handling the overlord and in essence trolled .perhaps it was planned from the big e as he did like think millennia ahead . It’s kind of ironic now mortarion is the one thing he despises supposedly much like pertursbo if it becomes cannon he is also a daemon primarch now as well Wish they would flesh out mortarion relations with his brothers though especially in current setting with Magnus and angron
The Pale King makes me think how we NEED that Horus: The Luna Wolf novella. Give it to Wraight or ADB, no Warmaster, just who HE is and we'll be rethinking this list (love the series)
People who claim Mortarion is a Hypocrite ate those eho cherry pick parts of his lore, get theur information from Loyalist fans, or by Night Lords' fans who font want the fandom looking at Conrad Curze
Mortarian was hurt. And didn't want to have to forgive the emperors bullshit just because the others did. Which with Big E being being the POS he is is fair. He may be the only primarch WITHOUT daddy issues lol
He was tricked. Typhus and morty were in the warp going somewhere and the ship got stuck in the warp if I recall. It was a plan by typhus to change morty to follow nurgle. One reason why they don't really like each other. The book this is in is called (the buried dagger.)
Well obviously some clearly can be omitted from this list, Mortarion included. Best looking Primarch mini thou! Anyway let's just jump to the real "greatest Primarch": Lorgar! :)))
Angron still had it worse he found ppl and to love and was forced to kill them He didn’t even have a mind left to rationalize or cope anymore after the butchers nails
morty was either the second or third most resilient primarch, not in the top five strategists or tacticians, was not a psyker his resentment for being saved by big E was deep but his fall was the result of him being a hypocrite about the warp, he was the most anti psyker ( a lot more the Russ, who I don't think is that anti psyker as some think), but he had no qualms about killing his own honor guard in their own gene seed vault in order to summon a demonic half breed so no he is not the greatest, by far not
Heres a question. Have any of the primarchs ever had offspring? I know natural conception isnt gonna work but there are other ways... they must have tried?
Pah Magnus did nothing. Mortorian became the monster he always feared. Mortarion saved his sons from death. Mortarion's fall like Angron's was not his doing but those closest to him. Mortarion is one of the three traitor primarch I respect out of the 9 only Conrad and Purturobo are worthy of my respect.
Mortarion is the ultimate hypocrite. Doesn’t like psykers, uses psychic powers. Doesn’t like the Warp, signs up when faced with death. He would’ve been the greatest if he had just taken death over eternal servitude to Nurgle
I think it would of been interesting to see a even more haggard Morty fighting off Nurgle attempts to claim him and where he goes, a plague bloom follows since he would have so many little plague minions trying to get him to give him
Mortarion represent Irony not Hypocrisy. He would be a Hypocrite if he went from Kill ass Psykers to "Psykers are the bed thing ever". Plus he didn't choose to be a Psyker, he was always one and he never knew it for the longest time. And unlike every other Primarch, he was the only one who could withstand the plagues brought upon him, if it were any other Primarch they would've just died. The biggest Hypocrite in 40k In Conrad Curz of the Night Lords. Could see the terrible things of the future, but instead of doing anything about the terrible things he just let it happen because it would make him look like a Hypocrite on him choosing to do the most fucked up things imaginable. And don't pull Guiliman for resisting Nurgle, Plot is always on his side, so of course he could say fuck you to Nurgle
he totally could in a way that kept some of the Death Guard/plague marines faction intact too (for GWs precious bottom line lol), half of them follow Typhus already
Morty is the greatest cuz he is the patron saint of all those stinky MTG. DnD abd Yugioh players that physically need to be tased and drugged to take a shower. 😂
Morty fell to betrayal out of unresolved anger towards dad, but he fell to Chaos only to save his legion. He didn’t do so out of desire for power, but because when the pain was too much for him, he knew his sons were dying without death. He is a sad case
Facts
Not if your whole personality is hating pyskers and literally PRIDE yourself on being able to withstand it all.
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I would say he fell to Chaos long before then. Who but someone already corrupted by Chaos (even if he wouldn’t admit it to himself) sacrifices his bodyguards and legion geneseed in a secret ritual to summon a daemon?
The emperor offered him the idea of redemption what this will do to his mindset going forth would be interesting to see
It was really sad when the villagers were celebrating their first victory on Barbarus and he had to ask Typhon what the fuck they were doing because he had no concept of joy
I like how this is an "everybody wins" series. They're all the greatest.
This guy is so similar to Sanguinius in his fall. Angel boy was about to sacrifice himself too but got interupted by his medic child Meros
Big fan of this series.
Same here!
If Big E paid for a SINGLE therapy session Morty would have stayed loyalist
@@MacroLore Probably true for all the traitors, except perhaps Angron. He was always going to rebel, even if it wasn’t for Chaos.
@@headlibrarian1996 There was no fixing Curze, Angron, Fulgrim, and maybe Lorgar.
He would not listen to anybody.
Morty is the most headstrong of them all, he would plague that doctor.
Loragr definitely. Instead of burning down his city and humiliating him, I don’t know fucking talk to him, have him operate with the ultramarines in the lead only. Fucking anything but the absolute lunacy big E did
Jaghatai Khan HATES this...
Mortarion is like Perturabo - embodying something he thinks he hates. Perturabo thinks he's a sensitive artist, but he yearns for the trenches. Mortarion thinks he hates the Warp, but was more about superstition and ritual than MAGNUS. It may have been bad circumstances that broke them, but they were broken.
Imo Morty's Primarch Novel was the best of the bunch. Gave you much added depth to the character.
I do wonder what a successfully cloned Mortarion would be like.
Erda: I had to protect my kids from Big E ambition!
Morty: P S Y K E R S!
Also i am just picturing that one south park clip where Eric Cartman injects himself with Apple Juicr to get stinky fart... 😂
Lol what ?
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Loyalist Mortarion, raised by farmers, who with discipline and determination used his psychic power to destroy the Necromancers and liberate his world, then commanding the harsh Librarians of his tough Death Guard.
Despite the poisonous air, Barbarus progresses and becomes an Agri-World.
Librarian Crysos Morturg's valiant sacrifice, opening the Dark Glass and allowing Loyalist Death Guard and Mortarion to reach and defend Terra.
Since Lorgar, Angron and Mortarion are Loyalists, Horus and Jaghatai are the new Daemon Primarchs of Nurgle.
(poisonous wolves and poisonous tigers)
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The Scythes of the Emperor, the Doom Eagles and the Mortifactors.
One of the three is worthy of being the new XIV Legion.
What makes me think of the Scythes of the Emperor as the new XIV Legion are the Nurgle Wraiths and Hexwraiths (because of their symbol).
🟢
Raised by villagers and fighting Necromancers, Loyalist Mortarion discovers and strengthens his power as a Psyker, later giving personal teaching to his own Librarians.
Traitor Typhon, who used his poisonous psychic power to corrupt his companions and escape in his plagued ship, vowing vengeance in Nurgle's name against the uncorrupted Pale King of Barbarus.
There's a rumor going around, that Morty is going to get redeemed, but what do you guys think?
That's not a rumor. That's a thing the emperor claimed after deus ex machina him away to save Gulliman. And I think that that would be bad for all death guard players and also really dumb. Why would mortarion ever join an Emperor he hates?
There is zero chance. One throwaway line in one novel isn't... anything.
@@meisterhyperion207 >Be Morty
> Hate the Warp as his main character trait
> Joins the Warp side
> Big E like glares at him and he instantly wrong and wants out
Morty is a wanker who cant decide what he wants and Big E would take a knight off the table and bunch of Nurgle Power.
Morty would have to stop being stubborn and swallow his pride.... not going to happen without the best possible writing in play.
So I'm predicting a redemption arch for morty. Here is my reason why cause it can be expanded upon. So nurgle has that aldari god of healing and life imprisoned as a undying test subject that always has a factory reset which can cure all corruption and papa nurgle isn't happy with morty and that Uncleanone for having some his garden burn during that dark imperium saga and nurgle personally blames the two I can see morty freeing the aldari to cure himself or his legion but the aldari god of healing presents him with a choice him or his legion can be saved... and he chooses the emporer to be saved and the corpse king and the holy emporer himself is back in the grimdark
I love mortarion prob my top 2 primarchs I think we have to look at the interaction from the emperor talking to Morty in god blight where he tells him that he will free him / return eventually but not yet …. Either this is just a carrot gesture for giving GW future choices in lore or it is planned.
I think as well mortarion also realised the emperor is also a being of the warp in a fashion so would never be able to truly trust him / it .
add in the way he was denied help with handling the overlord and in essence trolled .perhaps it was planned from the big e as he did like think millennia ahead .
It’s kind of ironic now mortarion is the one thing he despises supposedly much like pertursbo if it becomes cannon he is also a daemon primarch now as well
Wish they would flesh out mortarion relations with his brothers though especially in current setting with Magnus and angron
"Do as I say, not as I do" - Morty probably
The Pale King makes me think how we NEED that Horus: The Luna Wolf novella.
Give it to Wraight or ADB, no Warmaster, just who HE is and we'll be rethinking this list (love the series)
This is brilliant
Truely the greatest. Really cares for his sons and respect like no other primarch. If you have read pale king and lords of silence you know.
So brave. Sacrifice the entire imperium and make your sons slaves, to stop them, and only them from feeling pain.
Fucking weak
Found guy we dark hero one night on sky as a kid
Needless to say…it’s been my favourite anime and franchise since 🤘
Like the series but nothing about what you just described of the Pale King would have me being able to consider him the greatest of the Primarchs.
People who claim Mortarion is a Hypocrite ate those eho cherry pick parts of his lore, get theur information from Loyalist fans, or by Night Lords' fans who font want the fandom looking at Conrad Curze
Mortarian was hurt. And didn't want to have to forgive the emperors bullshit just because the others did. Which with Big E being being the POS he is is fair. He may be the only primarch WITHOUT daddy issues lol
I love Immortan Joe
Great series
Love to hear mortey an the lion on conguest an how they got along
Surprisingly loyalist way to praise a chaos primarch.😄
if the emperor had only given mortarion the means to survive the poisonous atmosphere then mortarion never would have turned traitor😊
He was tricked. Typhus and morty were in the warp going somewhere and the ship got stuck in the warp if I recall. It was a plan by typhus to change morty to follow nurgle. One reason why they don't really like each other. The book this is in is called (the buried dagger.)
Grabs 🍿. This should be good.
I don't care for morty but his case is tragic
Well obviously some clearly can be omitted from this list, Mortarion included. Best looking Primarch mini thou! Anyway let's just jump to the real "greatest Primarch": Lorgar! :)))
He has a pit stench only Nurgle can tolerate on good days.
Angron still had it worse he found ppl and to love and was forced to kill them
He didn’t even have a mind left to rationalize or cope anymore after the butchers nails
morty was either the second or third most resilient primarch, not in the top five strategists or tacticians, was not a psyker
his resentment for being saved by big E was deep
but his fall was the result of him being a hypocrite about the warp, he was the most anti psyker ( a lot more the Russ, who I don't think is that anti psyker as some think), but he had no qualms about killing his own honor guard in their own gene seed vault in order to summon a demonic half breed
so no he is not the greatest, by far not
Didn't Lion el Johnson always know the truth about chaos?
The greatest hypocrite of the Primarchs, and yet he never got to choose for himself.
Except when he trusted Typhon and Horus. x)
Heres a question. Have any of the primarchs ever had offspring? I know natural conception isnt gonna work but there are other ways... they must have tried?
Pah Magnus did nothing. Mortorian became the monster he always feared. Mortarion saved his sons from death. Mortarion's fall like Angron's was not his doing but those closest to him. Mortarion is one of the three traitor primarch I respect out of the 9 only Conrad and Purturobo are worthy of my respect.
Mortarion hated everything lol
Mortarion smells.
No.
Mortarion lol
Yeah, no.
Bro he needs to compare him to Angron
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(I am not being serious)
Oh if you do this with chaplin
“Why Typhon is the greatest Chaplin”
Even Erberus has done more for his legion and Primarch than Typhon has.
Mortarion is the ultimate hypocrite. Doesn’t like psykers, uses psychic powers. Doesn’t like the Warp, signs up when faced with death. He would’ve been the greatest if he had just taken death over eternal servitude to Nurgle
I think it would of been interesting to see a even more haggard Morty fighting off Nurgle attempts to claim him and where he goes, a plague bloom follows since he would have so many little plague minions trying to get him to give him
Mortarion represent Irony not Hypocrisy.
He would be a Hypocrite if he went from Kill ass Psykers to "Psykers are the bed thing ever". Plus he didn't choose to be a Psyker, he was always one and he never knew it for the longest time. And unlike every other Primarch, he was the only one who could withstand the plagues brought upon him, if it were any other Primarch they would've just died.
The biggest Hypocrite in 40k In Conrad Curz of the Night Lords. Could see the terrible things of the future, but instead of doing anything about the terrible things he just let it happen because it would make him look like a Hypocrite on him choosing to do the most fucked up things imaginable.
And don't pull Guiliman for resisting Nurgle, Plot is always on his side, so of course he could say fuck you to Nurgle
If Victor Meldrew was a Primarch his name would be Mortarion 😂lol
One day he will return to the loyalists side.
he totally could in a way that kept some of the Death Guard/plague marines faction intact too (for GWs precious bottom line lol), half of them follow Typhus already
@@chucklytell That would be grand.
Mortarion is the most homosexual primarch.
Morty is the greatest cuz he is the patron saint of all those stinky MTG. DnD abd Yugioh players that physically need to be tased and drugged to take a shower. 😂
You mean players of Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth-Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker.
@@si1verg3cko Not sure you can stink in the Warp?
On the downside, he's smelly.
Also hypocrit, like you cant state "mad factz" and sucks plague. 😂
He’s definitely the smelliest
Morty is one of the worst Primarchs. A hypocritical whiner.
Someone needs to check on Rho, he's clearly been doing too much of the drugs