@@rickpinelli1586 it sucks, but all we can do is submit our justification for our need on their site and hope that is enough to make them realize it’s warranted. At the same time, I have to imagine they are going to do what they want anyway, and if you think this is bad, wait till you hear what’s happening with GPS when I release that video
Glad to see an RC aircraft pilot in the comments already. I fly FPV and my control/telemetry links run at 915mhz. The airwaves are publicly owned, in other words all citizens own the public airwaves. The FCC is supposed to regulate them to prevent broadcasters from stepping on each other and guard the access citizens are supposed to have. The FCC is not supposed to be selling those bands to the highest bidder like they did with the old analog TV spetrum for LTE and 5G. Meshtastic, Crossfire, ExpressLRS, all these home-brewed hobby projects that are lifeblood channels for consumer/hobby communication and RC telemetry are going be instantly unusable should this rule be passed.
Amazon sidewalk is LoRa and the specific frequency is likely around 915MHz. NextNav only wants 902-907 MHz and 918-928 MHz. The proposal shouldn't be an issue for amateur radio for the same reason.
Do you honestly believe Amazon will fight this to help us? They're gonna throw in just to protect their own interests and get their own cutout specifically for them. Better hope ARRL (who just suffered a major cyberattack...hmmm) can rally the troops...
@jeffkardosjr.3825 it already is... 902-928mhz is 1) part of the licensed amateur radio service, alternatively known as the 33cm band, and 2) is part of the ISM (Industrial, Scientific, and Medical) unlicensed service which is restricted to a maximum of 1 watt and caveats of accepting interference etc... Motorola (and the now defunct Tri-Square, and other "legacy" cell phones w/PTT option) produces a variety of 1 watt handheld transceivers (DTR & DLR series) that employ FHSS (Frequency Hopping Spread Spectrum) which was originally developed as a form of digital encryption, but which also gives the user(s) thousands of virtual digital channels to use.
How many other "revolutionary" technologies have come and gone while stealing bandspace? Remember the 220mhz system for ups? Never happened but those frequencies are gone.
My radio control aircraft are currently using the Crossfire control system by Team Blacksheep. This uses the 902 to 927mhz band. This system and some other 915mhz brands as well are used by many thousands of pilots around the world and we tend to resist change.
@@Studio23Media yea completely…. Our federal government at work, 😔 ….I don’t know how this is even entertained but it will certainly be an interesting conclusion
They brought this up before and hopefully they lose again. A lot of SCADA systems still use this as it ia one of the few options for reasonable penetration and useful bandwidth. And, as others have brought up, LoRA and Ameteur use as well. There are already workable solutions for indoor geolocation that are adequate. If this is given to this company, it will be another example of how a monopoly requires government participation.
The amateur radio hobby is going to need to adapt fast or the FCC is going to take a lot more then just the 900mhz portion. The lack of activity I hear on the 2m band in a major central Florida metropolis leaves little desire to explore or experiment on other VHF/UHF bands allocated to amateurs. There's limited manufacturer support and demand from amateurs is for ready to go, plug and play solutions. The SDR transceiver market has stalled along with experimentation within the hobby. I'm not a fan of auctioning off the RF spectrum to the highest bidder but this new tech sounds interesting and hams have other options if they "need" them.
It doesn't "sound interesting" to me - GPS works fine. GPS is actually fantastic. I don't need nor want pinpoint position down to the nanometer. You know who does want it? Companies who could profit in some way off of knowing where everyone is. Governments who can't wait to track your every motion. I say no they can't have it we were using that spectrum.
@DanielWeed-un5tm Currently there is but 1 commercially produced 900mhz tranceiver marketed for consumer & to a lesser extent amateur use, by Retevis. About a decade or so ago, Alinco produced (for less than 3 years) a dual band 902-928mhz (33cm) and 223-225mhz (1.25m) handheld transceiver. The current users of the 33cm amateur service use modified commercial/public safety grade gear by Motorola, Kenwood, and Harris. Even in "used" condition, these comms are NOT cheap. Hundreds of thousands of dollars have been invested in the construction and maintenance of just one repeater system. These operators are not going to simply disappear into the night. And just because a given part of the amateur service isn't getting much "play" in a certain geographic area doesn't mean it is up for grabs in its entirety. For years it's been "predicted" that the "220"/1.25m amateur band was going to be taken back. It wasn't. And the same holds true with 10m FM, 6m FM.
Meshtastic is not a amateur network and I am not a mesh user. That being said, I know that mesh is rapidly becoming a popular communication platform and uses the 900mHz freqs. Would the purposed new FCC bands wipeout the new mesh networks?
@@KF0NNQ that’s a great point as well. I am also not a mesh user but it is something I have been looking into because it certainly seems like very practical tech. This is probably why they want that FCC protection for secondary and amateur users removed. If that is the case I wonder what the mesh creators are saying about this.
If they AXE 900mhz I will continue to use meshtastic as a Pirate. The cats out the bag with millions of units sold it would literally be impossible to stop it at this point.
Big brother sees it as a threat seeing that the communication is encrypted and its off grid/not using the internet. For a 100years the fed could just tap a phone line or listen to a radio signal. At a government level computer/phone security is nonexistent. Meshtastic is just as much of a threat as a old motorola radio with 256ASE encryption. Did you know if the price of one of those radio drops below $1000 Motorola its self's buy the radio just to destroy it. In the past the made attempts to destroy every radio they could buy back. A guy with a lot of money has a lot to lose so he's not likely to do bad things with the radio.
Theres 400+ active 900 mhz repeaters throughout the continental U.S. ... I don’t think anything is going to happen to those. Unlike 2m & 70cm gear which is pretty much available as "plug & play" and more or less affordable, 900mhz/33cm gear requires the modification of expensive public safety grade communications equipment. These repeater owners/users aren't going to part with their investments.
@@TrollHeroActual that would be good to know… Short Form - www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filings/express Link to upload a PDF doc - www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filings/standard Either will work
The 900 MHz band is the best of the ISM bands in my opinion and it is pretty good for amateur use, isn’t the FCC supposed to do what’s best for consumers and citizens and not auction off spectrum to the highest bidders?
Chill bro if they axe 900mhz there will be a lot of pirates (everything from kids walkie talkies to grandma's doorbell) or more likely the two services will just coexist.
The concern though would be that you would be interfering then with local, state and federal government systems and I don’t believe the fcc messes around when it comes to that.
They will just outlaw the sale of those devices and wait 50 years. That's how the govt plays this game. You and I think in short term. Governments think 50 years ahead, when all of our devices break down and quit working. They will make their ruling and then sit back and wait.
@@RANTStrategies.. in practice They Don't Really Care that much. Wasn't until Ex KG6IRO started mucking around with the Coast Guard directly affecting a search and rescue mission did they finally go after the guy and hours with 4 years of him Causeing interference... To put it simply the pain tolerance is extremely high..
I'm sure Motorola sales, and the users of the ISM license free 1 watt DTR series (digital 902-928mhz FHSS) users won't be happy about the proposal. Nor the west coast 900mhz/33cm amateur community with their modded (and expensive) comms. There's also two 902-928mhz HTs by Retevis out there as well. One for regular digital comms, the other for the "meshtastic" system.
@@baronedipiemonte3990the Retevis radios aren’t even legal for part 15 ISM, HAM use only. They don’t do either FHSS or 500 kHz which are requirements of using ISM band. I think Motorola would side with the FCC so they can push more licensed systems with maintenance fees.
The 900 mhz band needs to be opened for licensing in the business band and SMR operators, not just for useless amateur radio operators/stations. Since Nextel and Sprint have gone by the wayside, that spectrum needs to be opened up for a wide variety of radio users. From Short range PTT, consumer electronics, SMR, and Conventional two-way radio users need access to this band. When Nextel came along and purchased all the 800 and 900mhz SMR channels, they unfairly forced a lot of radio shops into the UHF 470-480 mhz band in LTR systems. The cellphone companies are a cartel and really want frequencies in the 1900 & 1800 mhz frequencies. Let them stay there and open up 850mhz radio frequencies for small business. This country needs a small business band, for small business to have access for local and county wide two way radio.
We have a bunch of small business bands. 25-50. 150-165. 450-470. Upper half of 800. 900 business band does exist. And there’s some above that. Calling amateur radio useless is just a grumpy uninformed thing to do. Short range PTT is a large part of 900 MHz- look up Motorola DTR radios.
Hmm, I see nowhere in the Constitution where the FCC can legally exist. I also see nowhere in the Constitution where the Federal government can regulate radio equipment and/or transmissions. I do see where only one group can legally enforce federal law. They do nothing that We do not allow.
The commerce clause allows the Congress to regulate the channels of interstate commerce. The Radiofrequency spectrum is a channel of interstate commerce.
if you think from the government's perspective it is not so idiotic - they get to sell off a lucrative chunk of spectrum, which will in turn allow this company to develop a free gift for the govt, technology to track us all with even higher accuracy and reliability, plus they get to even shut down a popular, encrypted, unlicensed off-grid comms network. Win-win-win for them. Not idiotic at all right?
No offense but most hams don’t even use 900 MHz and you don’t need a license to operate most 900 MHz devices ironically. You can’t even buy one amateur radio right now that even does 900 MHz.
You are correct. I have 3 old "Taxi cab radios" or wherever they came from. They were programmed for a few repeaters and simplex frequencies. They collect dust at the moment because there is nobody to talk to. Someone mentioned Meshtastic mesh system uses that band, I've been tempted to dabble in mesh systems for fun. Maybe I should buy the devices now before they are gone.
Retevis makes a nice 900 radio, the rt10. Most hams don't use the 900 band but that doesn't stop very many operators that do. A lot of hams don't use HF bands...
900MHz is not part of a band licensed to amateur radio holders. That does not mean that licensed amateur radio operators don't/won't/can't use an unlicensed part of spectrum. Your comment is absolutely moot in every way.
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We have a 900 Mhz Club here and have a new every Sunday night. It is bad enough we lost half the 220 Mhz band for NOTHING! It's time to take a stand.
@@rickpinelli1586 it sucks, but all we can do is submit our justification for our need on their site and hope that is enough to make them realize it’s warranted. At the same time, I have to imagine they are going to do what they want anyway, and if you think this is bad, wait till you hear what’s happening with GPS when I release that video
Glad to see an RC aircraft pilot in the comments already. I fly FPV and my control/telemetry links run at 915mhz. The airwaves are publicly owned, in other words all citizens own the public airwaves. The FCC is supposed to regulate them to prevent broadcasters from stepping on each other and guard the access citizens are supposed to have. The FCC is not supposed to be selling those bands to the highest bidder like they did with the old analog TV spetrum for LTE and 5G. Meshtastic, Crossfire, ExpressLRS, all these home-brewed hobby projects that are lifeblood channels for consumer/hobby communication and RC telemetry are going be instantly unusable should this rule be passed.
And this why I don’t trust anything the government says cause they don’t care. It all about the money
And don't forget Amazon sidewalk, their own mesh network uses 900mhz also. If anyone has cash to fight this it is Amazon!
Motorola Solutions should fight it too. Their FHSS radio market is at risk.
Amazon sidewalk is LoRa and the specific frequency is likely around 915MHz. NextNav only wants 902-907 MHz and 918-928 MHz. The proposal shouldn't be an issue for amateur radio for the same reason.
Do you honestly believe Amazon will fight this to help us? They're gonna throw in just to protect their own interests and get their own cutout specifically for them. Better hope ARRL (who just suffered a major cyberattack...hmmm) can rally the troops...
900 MHz should be open to amateurs and anyone.
@jeffkardosjr.3825 it already is... 902-928mhz is 1) part of the licensed amateur radio service, alternatively known as the 33cm band, and 2) is part of the ISM (Industrial, Scientific, and Medical) unlicensed service which is restricted to a maximum of 1 watt and caveats of accepting interference etc... Motorola (and the now defunct Tri-Square, and other "legacy" cell phones w/PTT option) produces a variety of 1 watt handheld transceivers (DTR & DLR series) that employ FHSS (Frequency Hopping Spread Spectrum) which was originally developed as a form of digital encryption, but which also gives the user(s) thousands of virtual digital channels to use.
@@baronedipiemonte3990 You apparently aren't aware of what this video is about.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825Cute comment slick... I know more than you think.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825So you think
How many other "revolutionary" technologies have come and gone while stealing bandspace? Remember the 220mhz system for ups? Never happened but those frequencies are gone.
My radio control aircraft are currently using the Crossfire control system by Team Blacksheep. This uses the 902 to 927mhz band. This system and some other 915mhz brands as well are used by many thousands of pilots around the world and we tend to resist change.
Hmmmmm wonder if you would be deemed as interference and just eliminated from being able to use it.
@@RANTStrategies FPV pilots are not known for following silly rules :-/
@@RANTStrategiesHow is this legal?? Isn't the FCC interfering on everyone who already uses that range? Wtf 🤦🏻♂️
@@Studio23Media yea completely…. Our federal government at work, 😔 ….I don’t know how this is even entertained but it will certainly be an interesting conclusion
Most smart meters on homes in the United States are on the 900 MHz band . Will they all be replaced .
@@thomasbailey6997 I didn’t even think of that one!
Well, this video came out of nowhere, but thanks for the heads-up.
They brought this up before and hopefully they lose again. A lot of SCADA systems still use this as it ia one of the few options for reasonable penetration and useful bandwidth. And, as others have brought up, LoRA and Ameteur use as well. There are already workable solutions for indoor geolocation that are adequate. If this is given to this company, it will be another example of how a monopoly requires government participation.
The amateur radio hobby is going to need to adapt fast or the FCC is going to take a lot more then just the 900mhz portion. The lack of activity I hear on the 2m band in a major central Florida metropolis leaves little desire to explore or experiment on other VHF/UHF bands allocated to amateurs. There's limited manufacturer support and demand from amateurs is for ready to go, plug and play solutions. The SDR transceiver market has stalled along with experimentation within the hobby. I'm not a fan of auctioning off the RF spectrum to the highest bidder but this new tech sounds interesting and hams have other options if they "need" them.
Hmm, no mention of the legality of these regulations.
It doesn't "sound interesting" to me - GPS works fine. GPS is actually fantastic. I don't need nor want pinpoint position down to the nanometer. You know who does want it? Companies who could profit in some way off of knowing where everyone is. Governments who can't wait to track your every motion. I say no they can't have it we were using that spectrum.
@@adcraziness1501 gps is maintained by the United States Space Force.
@DanielWeed-un5tm Currently there is but 1 commercially produced 900mhz tranceiver marketed for consumer & to a lesser extent amateur use, by Retevis. About a decade or so ago, Alinco produced (for less than 3 years) a dual band 902-928mhz (33cm) and 223-225mhz (1.25m) handheld transceiver. The current users of the 33cm amateur service use modified commercial/public safety grade gear by Motorola, Kenwood, and Harris. Even in "used" condition, these comms are NOT cheap. Hundreds of thousands of dollars have been invested in the construction and maintenance of just one repeater system. These operators are not going to simply disappear into the night. And just because a given part of the amateur service isn't getting much "play" in a certain geographic area doesn't mean it is up for grabs in its entirety. For years it's been "predicted" that the "220"/1.25m amateur band was going to be taken back. It wasn't. And the same holds true with 10m FM, 6m FM.
@@adcraziness1501 the United States Space Force maintains the gps satellites.
Could not agree more with you here!!! Very well said!!!
The end game is no amateur access to the airwaves at all except by approved, tracked systems.
@@havenbastion certainly seems like a predictable outcome
Meshtastic is not a amateur network and I am not a mesh user. That being said, I know that mesh is rapidly becoming a popular communication platform and uses the 900mHz freqs. Would the purposed new FCC bands wipeout the new mesh networks?
@@KF0NNQ that’s a great point as well. I am also not a mesh user but it is something I have been looking into because it certainly seems like very practical tech. This is probably why they want that FCC protection for secondary and amateur users removed. If that is the case I wonder what the mesh creators are saying about this.
If they AXE 900mhz I will continue to use meshtastic as a Pirate. The cats out the bag with millions of units sold it would literally be impossible to stop it at this point.
Big brother sees it as a threat seeing that the communication is encrypted and its off grid/not using the internet. For a 100years the fed could just tap a phone line or listen to a radio signal. At a government level computer/phone security is nonexistent. Meshtastic is just as much of a threat as a old motorola radio with 256ASE encryption. Did you know if the price of one of those radio drops below $1000 Motorola its self's buy the radio just to destroy it. In the past the made attempts to destroy every radio they could buy back. A guy with a lot of money has a lot to lose so he's not likely to do bad things with the radio.
I am a mesh user and a 900mhz amateur user fcc can eat 💩
@@Tech-NO-Citywon't they just run at a higher power and jam your signal?
why can't they use the 800 Mhz band?
Not a whole lot of "room" left for use on the 700/800mhz spectrum especially since the advent of P25 and its variations.
Already in use by public safety. My county went to 800MHz about 10 years ago.
because then they couldn't shut down an unlicensed, encrypted, popular off-grid civilian comms network.
If the ARRL cannot prove the usage of that band it's bye bye 900MHz amateur band.
Theres 400+ active 900 mhz repeaters throughout the continental U.S. ... I don’t think anything is going to happen to those. Unlike 2m & 70cm gear which is pretty much available as "plug & play" and more or less affordable, 900mhz/33cm gear requires the modification of expensive public safety grade communications equipment. These repeater owners/users aren't going to part with their investments.
The ARRL is a jokeeee
I’m surprised we still have a 1.2 ghz band.
@@daleurban4059 seems like it’s just a matter of time at this point…. Wait till I get a chance to drops the GPS video!
I don't think the FCC would grant this if there are already so many devices in that band. 🤔
@@Studio23Media idk….. money talks…
Nothing surprises me these days
Where do we go to voice our opinion??
@@TrollHeroActual that would be good to know…
Short Form - www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filings/express
Link to upload a PDF doc - www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filings/standard
Either will work
@@RANTStrategies Thanks!
The 900 MHz band is the best of the ISM bands in my opinion and it is pretty good for amateur use, isn’t the FCC supposed to do what’s best for consumers and citizens and not auction off spectrum to the highest bidders?
@@charlie_nolan you mean the feds not doing what’s in the best interest of the civilian population?!?! 🫢 (this comment is loaded with sarcasm lol)
They a screwing everything up.
Chill bro if they axe 900mhz there will be a lot of pirates (everything from kids walkie talkies to grandma's doorbell) or more likely the two services will just coexist.
The concern though would be that you would be interfering then with local, state and federal government systems and I don’t believe the fcc messes around when it comes to that.
They will just outlaw the sale of those devices and wait 50 years. That's how the govt plays this game. You and I think in short term. Governments think 50 years ahead, when all of our devices break down and quit working. They will make their ruling and then sit back and wait.
@@RANTStrategies.. in practice They Don't Really Care that much. Wasn't until Ex KG6IRO started mucking around with the Coast Guard directly affecting a search and rescue mission did they finally go after the guy and hours with 4 years of him Causeing interference...
To put it simply the pain tolerance is extremely high..
What happens to the ISM users?
GREAT QUESTION RIGHT?? You certainly think they would have some serious weight on this issue
I'm sure Motorola sales, and the users of the ISM license free 1 watt DTR series (digital 902-928mhz FHSS) users won't be happy about the proposal. Nor the west coast 900mhz/33cm amateur community with their modded (and expensive) comms. There's also two 902-928mhz HTs by Retevis out there as well. One for regular digital comms, the other for the "meshtastic" system.
@@baronedipiemonte3990 Exactly, I'm a user of the DTR/DLR series of radios.
I will still use my Bowman PRR radios. I will still use my 900Mhz radios as well.
@@baronedipiemonte3990the Retevis radios aren’t even legal for part 15 ISM, HAM use only. They don’t do either FHSS or 500 kHz which are requirements of using ISM band. I think Motorola would side with the FCC so they can push more licensed systems with maintenance fees.
I also have a 900Mhz repeater. Good luck getting me to turn it off.
The 900 mhz band needs to be opened for licensing in the business band and SMR operators, not just for useless amateur radio operators/stations. Since Nextel and Sprint have gone by the wayside, that spectrum needs to be opened up for a wide variety of radio users. From Short range PTT, consumer electronics, SMR, and Conventional two-way radio users need access to this band. When Nextel came along and purchased all the 800 and 900mhz SMR channels, they unfairly forced a lot of radio shops into the UHF 470-480 mhz band in LTR systems. The cellphone companies are a cartel and really want frequencies in the 1900 & 1800 mhz frequencies. Let them stay there and open up 850mhz radio frequencies for small business. This country needs a small business band, for small business to have access for local and county wide two way radio.
We have a bunch of small business bands. 25-50. 150-165. 450-470. Upper half of 800. 900 business band does exist. And there’s some above that. Calling amateur radio useless is just a grumpy uninformed thing to do. Short range PTT is a large part of 900 MHz- look up Motorola DTR radios.
@@MargateFL33063 I love the sounds of that! That would be nice 👍
They already stole ualf of the satellite c band and half the tv band.
Follow the money trail. Who is going to benifit from this?
@@janeshure Always the pattern…. Absolutely
That was going to be my comment - see who owns the company, who they are tied to, and what congressmen are invested in it.
Hmm, I see nowhere in the Constitution where the FCC can legally exist. I also see nowhere in the Constitution where the Federal government can regulate radio equipment and/or transmissions. I do see where only one group can legally enforce federal law. They do nothing that We do not allow.
The commerce clause allows the Congress to regulate the channels of interstate commerce. The Radiofrequency spectrum is a channel of interstate commerce.
@@carlmenger9145 We all know James Madison said nothing is open ended in the power granted. I think speech is covered under the 1st Amendment.
Which is precisely why I ignore anything the FCC says.
My Freedom of Speech includes the airwaves as well.
You don't understand the Constitution.
@@rifleshooterchannel208Lol no, the freedom of speech has nothing to do with the airwaves actually.
No!!! This is idiotic!
if you think from the government's perspective it is not so idiotic - they get to sell off a lucrative chunk of spectrum, which will in turn allow this company to develop a free gift for the govt, technology to track us all with even higher accuracy and reliability, plus they get to even shut down a popular, encrypted, unlicensed off-grid comms network. Win-win-win for them. Not idiotic at all right?
No offense but most hams don’t even use 900 MHz and you don’t need a license to operate most 900 MHz devices ironically. You can’t even buy one amateur radio right now that even does 900 MHz.
You are correct. I have 3 old "Taxi cab radios" or wherever they came from. They were programmed for a few repeaters and simplex frequencies. They collect dust at the moment because there is nobody to talk to.
Someone mentioned Meshtastic mesh system uses that band, I've been tempted to dabble in mesh systems for fun. Maybe I should buy the devices now before they are gone.
900 is very active in Las Vegas NV on multiple networks
Incorrect.
Retevis makes a nice 900 radio, the rt10. Most hams don't use the 900 band but that doesn't stop very many operators that do. A lot of hams don't use HF bands...
900MHz is not part of a band licensed to amateur radio holders. That does not mean that licensed amateur radio operators don't/won't/can't use an unlicensed part of spectrum. Your comment is absolutely moot in every way.
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@@matt9c1 cool story man, thanks, stay safe
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