Comparing the average employee vs employer power dynamic to Dame who could have left in free agency but decided to sign a multi year extension is insane. He’s not working for pennys and being mistreated he’s making hundreds of millions of dollars and is purposely tanking his value to force the Blazers to trade him to the Heat who don’t have a fair deal.
9:50 “what else did you want from him” Maybe don’t sign those contract extensions which limits your ability to explore free agency moving forward if things don’t pan out? He freely chose to sign that supermax and he’ll have the face the lights that come with it. It’s also the not requesting out that’s bad. It’s the “I’m only going to play for X team” that’s the most annoying and then backpedaling when the NBA calls him and his agent out. I agree that employers have way too much power and player empowerment (already a spotty term in my opinion as is because it’s really only for the superstars of the league and screwing over everyone else in the process) should be more prioritized, but whether you want to admit it or not, it is a business where the Blazers have the right to look after themselves in getting the best return possible. Again, if Dame didn’t want to be stuck in this situation, don’t sign those extensions and explore free agency. Dame was already getting more and more frustrated by the year as time went on and the FO wasn’t putting the pieces around him. The writing was on the wall that they were going to fail him long before this. Absolutely absurd take Rusty Also, to the people saying he’s sacrificing money not taking it…oh no. Dame would be going from making 45 million to making roughly 38-39 million this year. Poor him
Rusty claiming people who say Lillard should honor his contract are "bootlickers" is fucking hilarious. It's a contract he willingly signed for an outrageous amount of money, god forbid there are some barriers in place to prevent players from completely derailing entire franchises. Super chronically online moment
i hate the way Rusty talks like dame has been doing Portland this huge favor as if he hasn't gotten over 200 million dollars from them in the process, it's a really shallow argument in my opinion.
It's dumb is what it is. Dame is going about this in a dumb way. It's good that he's getting traded as per his request, but this is the dumbest way to move on.
You talk about Portland owing lillard like he played for them for free. He got PAID and HE decided if he wanted to stay Portland or not. They don’t owe him anything and he doesn’t owe them anything as well.
Look at harden this ain’t a issue it’s the truth why leave to deal with another front office who don’t care about winning and just using his name to sell more tickets
you're missing the point. look it this way: the whole World knows when a Team is tanking. Who got fined? Mavs bc Kidd said it publicly. Same stuff here. It's not the issue Dame said: I request a trade The issue is: apparently his agent was telling other teams not to trade for him, except the Heat.
Remember when everyone was calling dame a fool for staying? Remember when everyone was celebrating because he asked out? Remember how everyone turned on him when he finally did but the negotiations were dragging on?
Dame should’ve negotiated a “no trade” clause… because he didn’t, he doesn’t have a right to pick which team to trade to. Nobody forced him to sign his contract extension.
Bro got rewarded already. He’s getting paid millions of dollars. I’ll never understand why players throw hissy fits about not winning, but decided to sign a contract to stay with the team that they’re not winning with. Like grow up and be a man. You made your bed now lie in it
The problem is not that Dame's actions are affecting the billionaires. The problem is that they are affecting the team around him. Yes the NBA is a business, but it's also a team sport. And it's understandable to want the star players not to make it super super hard for a team to stay together and succeed. That takes sacrifice and humility, maturity and poise. Yes Dame has exhibited those traits in spades in the past, but he's not doing so now, and he absolutely could be doing better while still getting what he wants. The same especially goes for other stars around the league. We would say the same of any coach, GM or owner who makes careless, selfish and stupid decisions that hurt the community that is a basketball team.
As a guy from Europe the whole sports system in the US was always kind of ridiculous to me. When I first learned how a trade actually works, I was shocked. I couldn’t imagine a player could be moved to a team he didn’t want to play for.
True, but in Europe in basically any league the bargaining power isn't removed simply because a player wants to go to one place. That's the case when you're in a league like the NBA. They can't just trade money so they can sign someone else, they have to match up contracts or receive assets in return. Frankly, it's not Europe, and to treat it like it is denies the reality of the situation.
@@kyletucker3811 I get that. I was just referring to players getting moved to places that they don’t want to. You‘ll never see a deal go down without the players permission in europe.
@@youresocool_ tbh whilst I do think it's very unfortunate for players rights, the American system is so much better for parity, look at the bundesliga and ligue 1, free player movement means that only top teams ever win. Whereas in the NBA small markets like the Bucks and Nuggets have won recently. Imagine if Rennes or Augsburg won mate, it would never happen because European football is broken. Maybe euroleague is different but I'm not sure as I don't watch, is that based on a system of free movement like the transfer system?
Two things. One don’t sign an extension. If you aren’t sure about wanting to stay there then just wait it out until you can make a decision. I love Dame so much, he deserves a ring. But you can’t sign an extension then whine about not being able to go where you want. Also it is important to remember that those GM’s also have a job. It’s their job to build the team regardless what the players may want. Not saying the front office is in the right(bc i don’t think they are)just something to keep in mind.
Paul George was asking out of a solid playoff situation where Lillard is asking out of a top 5 lottery pick situation. Big difference in situations when discussing hypocrisy.
The league cannot let a player tank his own trade value publicly in order to force his current team to take a bad trade in exchange for their star player just because he wants to play for one specific team, especially when he has 4 years left on his contract. That is going to lead to the league becoming like European soccer where 90% of the teams just exist to feed talent to the top 10% and almost never have a realistic shot of competing for anything.
Realistically to get Dame on a competing team and getting Portland a return it has to be a multiple team trade. He's a point guard every competing team has a good to great one and all competing teams aren't chalk full of young guys and or high value picks
short answer is yes. if you don’t have a NTC you don’t get to decide where you play, it’s your job that you’re getting paid millions to do. Dame is ruining his reputation and it’s in all honesty HIS fault for signing an extension in the first place, he knew exactly where this team was going when he signed that deal. We’re not settling for Tyler Herro and scraps, Im glad our f/o is standing pat and waiting for the perfect deal to come into existence. You’re definitely taking the players side way too much in this video but to each their own
lol I find it interesting, that despite having much more in common with the players, “some” people tend to side with the billionaire owners. Many of which inherited their wealth and never had to go out and work for anything they have. A lot of ppl will support the owners, then turn around and cry about how they are treated by their boss at work. Make it make sense lol
I’ve lived in Portland my whole life; I think most of us expected this to happen way sooner than it did. He could have left back when Lamarcus Aldridge joined SA.
Attitudes can change you act like every time a man proposes to a woman or marries them either the wife or husband already plan on getting separated. Sometimes organizations promise things they don’t end up keeping and players aren’t robots. That’s like saying I signed to this law firm for 3 years but the treat me like shit, am I not allowed to quit that place of employment for a better job before that contract ends.Teams have no problem trading loyal players but it’s somehow the opposite that stirs fans opinions.
The power should be in the owners hands. It’s a business. The players sign up for this and know what can happen. I know it’s sucks for them at times, but it comes with the job. The team can control their players and where they go because that’s the way it works. The boss can tell the employee what to do. That will never change in any industry.
He hates that the owners are wealthier than the players so...the players, with their fickle and self centered interests must take precedence, and us, the people, must stand by them. Fuck that lol
3 Team deal that fits all teams Miami gets - Dame - Nurkic - Siakam - Gary Trent JR Portland gets - Bam and Lowry as salary filler Portland gets an all star big man cuz they NEED BIGS! Toronto - Herro - Duncan - Martin - Jovic
Dammit. I started watching your channel right as I started watching basketball. I then discovered you also have a channel where you talk about movies, and my esteem for you grew a lot. And now you openly talk about unionizing? If I ever tried to find a channel that relates more to me it would be impossible. All love to you and rudy
What the hell has Dame gave Portland? 0 finals. tons of early playoff exits. He has gotten 200 million in his career from Portland. Quit treating him like a charity case. Portland can do what they want with him.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too. You can’t sign a mega deal that you can get from remaining with a team, trap that team with a high asset that’s hard to move, ask out, then say you’ll only go one place. Sometimes the players can be wrong. Yes the teams have billionaires, yes they’re asshole, but the people getting fucked here are the fans when the players fuck over teams.
@@Mrjdog304it's a different scope but same principle and most regular ppl should be supporting unions and workers not just the young Turks who're cringe lol
The NBPA should give Rusty a PR spokesman position because the water he carries for “labor,” (even when that “labor”, part-time work as it is, is getting paid, on average, a hundred times more than the average income in the States)is truly incredible. It’s also hilarious listening to this guy who clearly has a very limited understanding of microeconomics (much less macro) espouse on the wonders of unions and how they act as genies for “working people.” I mean, I shouldn’t expect anything more for a guy who probably finds more enjoyment talking about politics than analyzing basketball, but this is pathetic even for him. “Portland should do Lillard a solid.” They’ve given him hundreds of millions of dollars in guaranteed contracts, you can buy quite a few solids with money like that. Portland owes him absolutely nothing, and Lillard owes Portland absolutely nothing. No one is owed anything. Lillard did not stay in Portland because he’s such an awesome, selfless guy. He was being paid an obscene amount of money (good for him!) and kept resigning where he guaranteed his services in exchange for getting 10s of millions of dollars per year. So no, the Trail Blazers owe Lillard absolutely nothing, they’ve given him a ton of money. Saying they should screw over their coaching staff, and the other players, because a guy under contract for four more years wants to go to South Beach? That’s beyond stupid. Lillard “gave” Portland what he agreed to do in exchange for getting paid like a king. Stop carrying water for millionaires because “owners are bad.” You look pathetic. It’s NBA YTers like yourself who know nothing about the economics of industry who think that spouting talking points from whichever union you Googled means that you’re well-read and morally virtuous. To any person with a basic grasp of economics, it’s embarrassing to hear this nonsense, and the circle-jerking about “player empowerment,” when in reality, the owners care more about the fans than the players do, purely because the fans pay the owners, is just hilarious. At the end of the day, this is a rant about something you don’t understand on anything more than a very shallow level. On a separate note, with your left-wing politics (which are ill-informed but whatever), you would be perfect for The Young Turks sports department. Wosny Lambre (who is awesome and I say that as someone who doesn’t share his politics) and you probably agree on 90% of things and he’s an NBA fan. Y’all should get together and do something like a podcast.
I’m not on the side of billionaires I’m on the side of fans who for the most part will never ever make the money NBA players makes, let alone a star like Lillard
and i will almost always be on the side of the employer- you sign a contract to play a game and then refuse to do so if you don’t get what you want, it’s cheap and childish
Acting like this situation is anywhere similar to other trade requests from star players in the past is just disingenuous and a lazy cop out of discussing the nuance of it all
I get the aspect of player empowerment and totally agree but the idea of signing a huge contract and then asking out and saying you only want to go to one spot makes it so much worse. If the point is to end up having the choice to go wherever or whenever after signing for the biggest possible contract is the choice and not allowijg a team to do whats best for them then whats the point of free agency. Go wherever you want but do it then. Cause if you dont youre forcing the small market eams to have little to no way to build for themselves. Every player would sign with their original team for giant amounts for long times and then just say yeah take me here instead. I get Dame's situation before todo it then but for all players to do it when they know theyll get their way and screw over the team that did their best in trying to retain them its a sucker punch.
OH BOO HOO. Military members and their families are uprooted, moved and take consistently take paycuts for their country all the time. While guys cry for millionaire players who are making $50M+ per year. Please stop. Dame and his family will be just fine I promise you but on to the real point. Dame did not have to sign that extension he should have treated it like a business. Love the guy. He's awesome and a great professional but live with consequences of your choices. The Blazers are doing the right thing treating it like a business. They paid Dame handsomely and most likely gave him all kinds of superstar perks. That is their only obligation. There is no sympathetic party in this. You want to be out cool but at the end of the day the Blazers have to do what's best for their fans and their team. All this centiment is out the window. Get the best deal possible. Just my thoughts.
Rusty is so infatuated with employee employer power dynamics he genuinely thinks lillard has been taken advantage of and the blazers should just help him out. The blazers front office owe their fans and everyone who has put in effort to make them what they are, not a single super star who’s throwing a tantrum
It just really seems that he wants to read into things and break them down without having the actual experience or logic to make it make sense. I like when he actually talks about basketball and I'm not a huge basketball fan, but to even act like these players are struggling in any way is just nonsense. These guys will make more in a year than everyone in the comments will make combined but they are the oppressed? If you are going to be someone that will criticize the owners or bosses, then be willing to criticize the players or employees more fairly than you are and then we can talk.
Everyone miss me with this „loyalty“ bs. He was/is being compensated very handsomely for his services. He didn’t have to sign an extension. He’s not playing for free .
@GothPaoki no one e is acting like he's a slave. He's been loyal to this franchise for a decade and signing the extension allows the Blazers to get a return instead of losing him for nothing. He's literally looked out for the Blazers every step of the way while they've lied about putting a contending roster on the floor and have show no aggression in the trade market
@@hunnidtabss4467 he didn't sign the extension because he wanted the blazers to get sth but because he wanted to stay. You make it sound like he had it planned ..
really strange comment, just because you are in favor of unionization and autonomy and/or skew liberal doesn't mean you are naive. unironically could show your own age with a condescending view like this lol
I think signing the extension is what is making this look bad on Dame. He should have just gone into free agency and would have still probably gotten a bag elsewhere. He could have easily gone where he wanted then. Now he has put himself in a rock and a hard place.
Probably helped blazers. Now they can trade him for trade assets. As a blazers fan I've been watching the management do the opposite of building a team around Lillard for years. He obviously intended on staying with the blazers when he signed his extension until they decided to rebuild while in his prime
He woudlve gotten significantly less from other teams. Signing that supermax gave dame also allowed him to have one more guaranteed year on his contract
Yep, handful of greedy stars sticking around to sign max money and then leaving with 4-5 years on their contract…all American players interestingly as no Euro has has pulled this bs
Why does the Portland Trailblazers owns anything to Dame? Portland gave him the opportunity to play in tbe NBA and gave him GENERATIONAL WEALTH as a reward for his loyalty and services . That's plenty fair to me. Teams DO NOT owe nothing to players once they ask out .
They didn’t “give” him that. Any team could of offered him millions. They owe him that because he stayed and kept their 3rd tier franchise relevant for the last decade
@@ianardell4660 relevant to where ? All Dame did is get bounced in the first round 5 times out of 8 2semi finals and only one conf finals. He got paid A LOT for a guy that can't go past the first round so much .
Even if he thinks he should be rewarded for his patience with them, he never should've signed the extension in the first place if he didn't want to be there.
So dame is right for wanting the best for himself but the trailblazers aren’t? Both parties now shouldn’t owe anything to each other and should both be looking out for themselves. Also dame staying in Portland shouldn’t be rewarded imo because he got the most money possible by staying in Portland.
I usually agree about this, but You can't talk bad about player empowerment every year rap loyalty every year. Then turn into james harden. I'm all for player empowerment but I can't stand hypocrisy. Nobody said this about Bradley Beal because he was loyal quietly. He doesn't have a highlight real of being against trades that's longer than his high-school mixtape.
Its not player empowerment anymore. Its player entitlement. These guys don't even want to honor contracts they signed. No one forced him to sign for hundreds of millions of dollars. Sorry but i don't feel an iota of pity for these millionaire babies.
yall might think im stupid, but i think if you ask for a trade you should have no say in where youll end up, if you wanna go to a specific team wait till your contract is up and sign for them
I respectfully disagree with him. I see his points but I’m still pro fan at the end of the day. I want him to go where he can be a contender but I also don’t want the trailblazers fan base to just get garbage.
I think a big point missed here is the dude has multiple years left on his contract. That’s what makes this unprecedented. All those guys named before were on the last year of their deal and could go anywhere they wanted to that summer. Portland has a lot more leverage here than those other teams did.
Neither the organization or Dame owe each other anything. Dame's loyalty was already rewarded by the Blazers making him one of the most highly paid NBA athletes. Dame should've left instead of signing the contract.
The only crux here is that Miami doesn't have any assets to give for Dame. This wouldn't even be a talking point if Miami can trade so I can understand Portland for not acquiescing Dame's request. You'll basically be trading your best player for a pack of peanuts and 2 bottles of Gatorade.
Rusty I love you but I don’t think you fully understand why people are losing respect. The main issue stems from the fact he’s on a long term and tryna force a trade to one team by threatening other teams he won’t commit to them which is actively tanking his trade value. Your underestimating the very dangerous precedent this would set
i just wonder why bron got so much hate for giving cleveland years to get it right and leaving in free agency? He did more than dame ever could imagine with less talent but dame is getting sympathy points because he “stuck it out”
Dame is trying to have his cake and eat it too. He wants to have the big huge contract for 5 years and also go to the _exact team_ he wants to go to - that’s unreasonable. If you want to pick your team, play out your contract and become a free agent.
As a Raptors fan, nobody cares about loyalty when a team trades a player, but its a problem when players want to leave? Teams will fail to honour a contract all the time but its wrong when players do it? Interesting...
Let’s be real Dame liked being associated with his loyalty it gave him more clout and he liked being the franchise player, he didn’t just stick with the blazers out of the kindness of his heart. I’m not saying Dame had shitty intentions but acting like he gave Portland so much and got nothing in return is just wrong and naive. They also gave him max contract after max contract that he consensually signed. People make sacrifices for money or comfort and Dame CHOSE more money instead of comfort that’s on him, the alternative was still $40+ mil per year btw
I'm all for it. But if players can sign BIG contracts then a year later demand a trade without a No Trade Clause... isn't that a bad look for the league?
When the next CBA eviscerates it or a lockout starts, it's going to be because of Dame, Kyrie, Ben Simmons, and potentially Harden. Those situations are going to bite the players in the ass.
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dang dude you were spittin' at the end
NBA discourse treat “loyalty” like a player is married to a spouse.
Excellent video
Comparing the average employee vs employer power dynamic to Dame who could have left in free agency but decided to sign a multi year extension is insane. He’s not working for pennys and being mistreated he’s making hundreds of millions of dollars and is purposely tanking his value to force the Blazers to trade him to the Heat who don’t have a fair deal.
Isn’t it crazy that the best coach in the nba started off as a Camrea man
9:50 “what else did you want from him”
Maybe don’t sign those contract extensions which limits your ability to explore free agency moving forward if things don’t pan out? He freely chose to sign that supermax and he’ll have the face the lights that come with it. It’s also the not requesting out that’s bad. It’s the “I’m only going to play for X team” that’s the most annoying and then backpedaling when the NBA calls him and his agent out. I agree that employers have way too much power and player empowerment (already a spotty term in my opinion as is because it’s really only for the superstars of the league and screwing over everyone else in the process) should be more prioritized, but whether you want to admit it or not, it is a business where the Blazers have the right to look after themselves in getting the best return possible. Again, if Dame didn’t want to be stuck in this situation, don’t sign those extensions and explore free agency. Dame was already getting more and more frustrated by the year as time went on and the FO wasn’t putting the pieces around him. The writing was on the wall that they were going to fail him long before this. Absolutely absurd take Rusty
Also, to the people saying he’s sacrificing money not taking it…oh no. Dame would be going from making 45 million to making roughly 38-39 million this year. Poor him
Rusty’s consistency with L takes should get him in the TH-cam hall of fame
This might be your wildest take yet
Rusty claiming people who say Lillard should honor his contract are "bootlickers" is fucking hilarious. It's a contract he willingly signed for an outrageous amount of money, god forbid there are some barriers in place to prevent players from completely derailing entire franchises. Super chronically online moment
Feel free to hop right back on that soapbox anytime. Great video!
i hate the way Rusty talks like dame has been doing Portland this huge favor as if he hasn't gotten over 200 million dollars from them in the process, it's a really shallow argument in my opinion.
strays left and right
It's dumb is what it is. Dame is going about this in a dumb way. It's good that he's getting traded as per his request, but this is the dumbest way to move on.
love the final message rusty, keep speaking your mind ‼️
You talk about Portland owing lillard like he played for them for free. He got PAID and HE decided if he wanted to stay Portland or not. They don’t owe him anything and he doesn’t owe them anything as well.
The issue this time is that apparently the agent was telling other teams they'll get an unhappy player and not to trade for him
They not telling a lie
Look at harden this ain’t a issue it’s the truth why leave to deal with another front office who don’t care about winning and just using his name to sell more tickets
you're missing the point.
look it this way: the whole World knows when a Team is tanking. Who got fined? Mavs bc Kidd said it publicly.
Same stuff here. It's not the issue Dame said: I request a trade
The issue is: apparently his agent was telling other teams not to trade for him, except the Heat.
Amazing video Rusty.
Great video comrade ⚒️
Great video, so proud of you.
If Lillard wanted to go to a specific team he should have entered free agency or just not signed an extension. That's BS.
Almost like Dames return for staying was being payed hundreds of millions of dollars… not like he was doing charity work staying. They were paying him
Appreciate your take on unions!
Remember when everyone was calling dame a fool for staying? Remember when everyone was celebrating because he asked out?
Remember how everyone turned on him when he finally did but the negotiations were dragging on?
People relating this to Harden, AD and Melo are slow. All were in the least year of their deals and didn’t just sign a max extension a year prior lmao
Dame should’ve negotiated a “no trade” clause… because he didn’t, he doesn’t have a right to pick which team to trade to. Nobody forced him to sign his contract extension.
Bro got rewarded already. He’s getting paid millions of dollars. I’ll never understand why players throw hissy fits about not winning, but decided to sign a contract to stay with the team that they’re not winning with. Like grow up and be a man. You made your bed now lie in it
The problem is not that Dame's actions are affecting the billionaires. The problem is that they are affecting the team around him. Yes the NBA is a business, but it's also a team sport. And it's understandable to want the star players not to make it super super hard for a team to stay together and succeed. That takes sacrifice and humility, maturity and poise. Yes Dame has exhibited those traits in spades in the past, but he's not doing so now, and he absolutely could be doing better while still getting what he wants. The same especially goes for other stars around the league. We would say the same of any coach, GM or owner who makes careless, selfish and stupid decisions that hurt the community that is a basketball team.
As a guy from Europe the whole sports system in the US was always kind of ridiculous to me. When I first learned how a trade actually works, I was shocked. I couldn’t imagine a player could be moved to a team he didn’t want to play for.
True, but in Europe in basically any league the bargaining power isn't removed simply because a player wants to go to one place. That's the case when you're in a league like the NBA. They can't just trade money so they can sign someone else, they have to match up contracts or receive assets in return. Frankly, it's not Europe, and to treat it like it is denies the reality of the situation.
@@kyletucker3811 I get that. I was just referring to players getting moved to places that they don’t want to. You‘ll never see a deal go down without the players permission in europe.
@@youresocool_ tbh whilst I do think it's very unfortunate for players rights, the American system is so much better for parity, look at the bundesliga and ligue 1, free player movement means that only top teams ever win. Whereas in the NBA small markets like the Bucks and Nuggets have won recently. Imagine if Rennes or Augsburg won mate, it would never happen because European football is broken. Maybe euroleague is different but I'm not sure as I don't watch, is that based on a system of free movement like the transfer system?
Two things. One don’t sign an extension. If you aren’t sure about wanting to stay there then just wait it out until you can make a decision. I love Dame so much, he deserves a ring. But you can’t sign an extension then whine about not being able to go where you want. Also it is important to remember that those GM’s also have a job. It’s their job to build the team regardless what the players may want. Not saying the front office is in the right(bc i don’t think they are)just something to keep in mind.
Paul George was asking out of a solid playoff situation where Lillard is asking out of a top 5 lottery pick situation. Big difference in situations when discussing hypocrisy.
If the players are so oppressed they can start their own league. This gotta be one of your worst takes I’ve seen.
The league cannot let a player tank his own trade value publicly in order to force his current team to take a bad trade in exchange for their star player just because he wants to play for one specific team, especially when he has 4 years left on his contract. That is going to lead to the league becoming like European soccer where 90% of the teams just exist to feed talent to the top 10% and almost never have a realistic shot of competing for anything.
Realistically to get Dame on a competing team and getting Portland a return it has to be a multiple team trade. He's a point guard every competing team has a good to great one and all competing teams aren't chalk full of young guys and or high value picks
Funny considering the league let Vince Carter tank his trade value back in 04 so the Raptors would get a bad return for him
That wouldn't happen because NBA teams are franchises not clubs.
@@2Slay3 Vince Carter just decided to play badly and you couldn't really prove he was griefing lol.
No wonder the Lakers and Celtics each have so many titles
short answer is yes. if you don’t have a NTC you don’t get to decide where you play, it’s your job that you’re getting paid millions to do. Dame is ruining his reputation and it’s in all honesty HIS fault for signing an extension in the first place, he knew exactly where this team was going when he signed that deal. We’re not settling for Tyler Herro and scraps, Im glad our f/o is standing pat and waiting for the perfect deal to come into existence.
You’re definitely taking the players side way too much in this video but to each their own
lol I find it interesting, that despite having much more in common with the players, “some” people tend to side with the billionaire owners. Many of which inherited their wealth and never had to go out and work for anything they have. A lot of ppl will support the owners, then turn around and cry about how they are treated by their boss at work. Make it make sense lol
Dude we were all rubbed the wrong way when Harden and AD did it too why are you acting like this is just about Dame lol
Dame isn't a victim here. No one forced to sign that extension 😂
I’ve lived in Portland my whole life; I think most of us expected this to happen way sooner than it did. He could have left back when Lamarcus Aldridge joined SA.
He was still a young player in his early 20s would make 0 sense for him to leave at that point
Him leaving after La left would have been dumb.
Nah his best time was after 2019
Shit he could've left when CJ was traded.
Shit he could've left two years ago
Bro that was so early in his career 😂
The thing that gets me is this isn’t free agency, Dame signed the contract, I’m fine giving a couple locations but 1 is just ludicrous
If you don’t want to be somewhere…. DON’T SIGN A 6 YEAR DEAL
Attitudes can change you act like every time a man proposes to a woman or marries them either the wife or husband already plan on getting separated. Sometimes organizations promise things they don’t end up keeping and players aren’t robots. That’s like saying I signed to this law firm for 3 years but the treat me like shit, am I not allowed to quit that place of employment for a better job before that contract ends.Teams have no problem trading loyal players but it’s somehow the opposite that stirs fans opinions.
The power should be in the owners hands. It’s a business. The players sign up for this and know what can happen. I know it’s sucks for them at times, but it comes with the job. The team can control their players and where they go because that’s the way it works. The boss can tell the employee what to do. That will never change in any industry.
He hates that the owners are wealthier than the players so...the players, with their fickle and self centered interests must take precedence, and us, the people, must stand by them. Fuck that lol
3 Team deal that fits all teams
Miami gets
- Dame
- Nurkic
- Siakam
- Gary Trent JR
Portland gets
- Bam and Lowry as salary filler Portland gets an all star big man cuz they NEED BIGS!
Toronto
- Herro
- Duncan
- Martin
- Jovic
A 3 team deal is how he's getting to the Heat. Until then, this is much ado about nothing
Dammit. I started watching your channel right as I started watching basketball. I then discovered you also have a channel where you talk about movies, and my esteem for you grew a lot. And now you openly talk about unionizing? If I ever tried to find a channel that relates more to me it would be impossible. All love to you and rudy
What the hell has Dame gave Portland? 0 finals. tons of early playoff exits. He has gotten 200 million in his career from Portland. Quit treating him like a charity case. Portland can do what they want with him.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too. You can’t sign a mega deal that you can get from remaining with a team, trap that team with a high asset that’s hard to move, ask out, then say you’ll only go one place. Sometimes the players can be wrong. Yes the teams have billionaires, yes they’re asshole, but the people getting fucked here are the fans when the players fuck over teams.
Comparing "player empowerment" in the NBA to worker's rights and unionization is certainly a take lmao
I was so confused I thought I accidentally hit a young turks video.
@@Mrjdog304 😂 😂😔
@@Mrjdog304it's a different scope but same principle and most regular ppl should be supporting unions and workers not just the young Turks who're cringe lol
He does it a lot its pretty annoying seeing commie propaganda from a basketball video like is this the CCP or some shit? 🤦♂️
The NBPA should give Rusty a PR spokesman position because the water he carries for “labor,” (even when that “labor”, part-time work as it is, is getting paid, on average, a hundred times more than the average income in the States)is truly incredible. It’s also hilarious listening to this guy who clearly has a very limited understanding of microeconomics (much less macro) espouse on the wonders of unions and how they act as genies for “working people.” I mean, I shouldn’t expect anything more for a guy who probably finds more enjoyment talking about politics than analyzing basketball, but this is pathetic even for him.
“Portland should do Lillard a solid.” They’ve given him hundreds of millions of dollars in guaranteed contracts, you can buy quite a few solids with money like that. Portland owes him absolutely nothing, and Lillard owes Portland absolutely nothing. No one is owed anything. Lillard did not stay in Portland because he’s such an awesome, selfless guy. He was being paid an obscene amount of money (good for him!) and kept resigning where he guaranteed his services in exchange for getting 10s of millions of dollars per year. So no, the Trail Blazers owe Lillard absolutely nothing, they’ve given him a ton of money. Saying they should screw over their coaching staff, and the other players, because a guy under contract for four more years wants to go to South Beach? That’s beyond stupid. Lillard “gave” Portland what he agreed to do in exchange for getting paid like a king. Stop carrying water for millionaires because “owners are bad.” You look pathetic.
It’s NBA YTers like yourself who know nothing about the economics of industry who think that spouting talking points from whichever union you Googled means that you’re well-read and morally virtuous. To any person with a basic grasp of economics, it’s embarrassing to hear this nonsense, and the circle-jerking about “player empowerment,” when in reality, the owners care more about the fans than the players do, purely because the fans pay the owners, is just hilarious. At the end of the day, this is a rant about something you don’t understand on anything more than a very shallow level.
On a separate note, with your left-wing politics (which are ill-informed but whatever), you would be perfect for The Young Turks sports department. Wosny Lambre (who is awesome and I say that as someone who doesn’t share his politics) and you probably agree on 90% of things and he’s an NBA fan. Y’all should get together and do something like a podcast.
Hellscape of a country lol. You gotta lay off the breadtube Rusty.
That's like not wanting a girl to tell you she has no intention of ever sleeping with you.
I’m not on the side of billionaires I’m on the side of fans who for the most part will never ever make the money NBA players makes, let alone a star like Lillard
and i will almost always be on the side of the employer- you sign a contract to play a game and then refuse to do so if you don’t get what you want, it’s cheap and childish
Acting like this situation is anywhere similar to other trade requests from star players in the past is just disingenuous and a lazy cop out of discussing the nuance of it all
Over the past decade we when from player empowerment to player entitlement
Great stuff! Workers of the World Unite!
I get the aspect of player empowerment and totally agree but the idea of signing a huge contract and then asking out and saying you only want to go to one spot makes it so much worse. If the point is to end up having the choice to go wherever or whenever after signing for the biggest possible contract is the choice and not allowijg a team to do whats best for them then whats the point of free agency. Go wherever you want but do it then. Cause if you dont youre forcing the small market eams to have little to no way to build for themselves. Every player would sign with their original team for giant amounts for long times and then just say yeah take me here instead. I get Dame's situation before todo it then but for all players to do it when they know theyll get their way and screw over the team that did their best in trying to retain them its a sucker punch.
holy shit i agree
Does this dude not know free agency exist?
OH BOO HOO. Military members and their families are uprooted, moved and take consistently take paycuts for their country all the time. While guys cry for millionaire players who are making $50M+ per year. Please stop. Dame and his family will be just fine I promise you but on to the real point. Dame did not have to sign that extension he should have treated it like a business. Love the guy. He's awesome and a great professional but live with consequences of your choices. The Blazers are doing the right thing treating it like a business. They paid Dame handsomely and most likely gave him all kinds of superstar perks. That is their only obligation. There is no sympathetic party in this. You want to be out cool but at the end of the day the Blazers have to do what's best for their fans and their team. All this centiment is out the window. Get the best deal possible. Just my thoughts.
The NBA needs to institute a trade kicker that takes away money from players who ask for a trade a year or two into a new max deal.
Rusty is just dead wrong on this. He wants all the money without the commitment
Rusty is so infatuated with employee employer power dynamics he genuinely thinks lillard has been taken advantage of and the blazers should just help him out. The blazers front office owe their fans and everyone who has put in effort to make them what they are, not a single super star who’s throwing a tantrum
Yea I didn't realize Rusty was a Tankie.
@@kevinb1277what did he say that was tankie? I mean ig progressive or even socialistic, but nothing was said that sounded tankie.
It just really seems that he wants to read into things and break them down without having the actual experience or logic to make it make sense. I like when he actually talks about basketball and I'm not a huge basketball fan, but to even act like these players are struggling in any way is just nonsense. These guys will make more in a year than everyone in the comments will make combined but they are the oppressed? If you are going to be someone that will criticize the owners or bosses, then be willing to criticize the players or employees more fairly than you are and then we can talk.
@@kevinb1277 his soy face should be indicator enough
People made it seem like the NBA only made sent the memo out to Lillard. The NBA is addressing all the players
Dame to the heat 🔥
Everyone miss me with this „loyalty“ bs. He was/is being compensated very handsomely for his services. He didn’t have to sign an extension. He’s not playing for free .
He earned that contract. The organization didn’t do him any favors “giving” him that money. His play and work ethic is what got him the money.
Nobody saying he didn't earn it. We're saying it isn't Santa Claus who's paying him and shouldn't act like he's a slave..
@GothPaoki no one e is acting like he's a slave. He's been loyal to this franchise for a decade and signing the extension allows the Blazers to get a return instead of losing him for nothing. He's literally looked out for the Blazers every step of the way while they've lied about putting a contending roster on the floor and have show no aggression in the trade market
@@hunnidtabss4467 he didn't sign the extension because he wanted the blazers to get sth but because he wanted to stay. You make it sound like he had it planned ..
@@GothPaoki lmfao wtf no one acted like he's a slave. Including him. That's you inserting that goofy ahh narrative. You sus asf
Man you can really see Rusty's young when listening to his political / sociap views. Amazing how naive we all are in our 20s
really strange comment, just because you are in favor of unionization and autonomy and/or skew liberal doesn't mean you are naive. unironically could show your own age with a condescending view like this lol
I think signing the extension is what is making this look bad on Dame. He should have just gone into free agency and would have still probably gotten a bag elsewhere. He could have easily gone where he wanted then. Now he has put himself in a rock and a hard place.
Probably helped blazers. Now they can trade him for trade assets. As a blazers fan I've been watching the management do the opposite of building a team around Lillard for years. He obviously intended on staying with the blazers when he signed his extension until they decided to rebuild while in his prime
He woudlve gotten significantly less from other teams. Signing that supermax gave dame also allowed him to have one more guaranteed year on his contract
Yep, handful of greedy stars sticking around to sign max money and then leaving with 4-5 years on their contract…all American players interestingly as no Euro has has pulled this bs
They wouldn't make as much. They lose the extra year.
He was still trying to give the Blazers a chance to do what they said they would do: put a good team around him. They didn’t 🤷🏿♂️
Thank you
Saying I don't want to go to Utah is completely different than saying I only want to go to Miami
Why does the Portland Trailblazers owns anything to Dame?
Portland gave him the opportunity to play in tbe NBA and gave him GENERATIONAL WEALTH as a reward for his loyalty and services . That's plenty fair to me.
Teams DO NOT owe nothing to players once they ask out .
They didn’t “give” him that. Any team could of offered him millions. They owe him that because he stayed and kept their 3rd tier franchise relevant for the last decade
@@ianardell4660nah he was paid for that time in money not “ I owe yous”
Dame EARNED that money, they didn’t do him any favors. HIS play on the court got him that money
@@ianardell4660 any team didn't do it though.
Portland drafted him , and paid him .
@@ianardell4660 relevant to where ?
All Dame did is get bounced in the first round 5 times out of 8
2semi finals and only one conf finals.
He got paid A LOT for a guy that can't go past the first round so much .
Even if he thinks he should be rewarded for his patience with them, he never should've signed the extension in the first place if he didn't want to be there.
It's certainly no excuse for unprofessionalism no matter how you spin it. Be it Dame or whoever else.
Fun drinking game . Have a shot ever time rusty says specifically or "Pacifically" . Drunk in 10mins 😂
I really want to see another team call Dame's bluff and trade for him😂
So dame is right for wanting the best for himself but the trailblazers aren’t? Both parties now shouldn’t owe anything to each other and should both be looking out for themselves. Also dame staying in Portland shouldn’t be rewarded imo because he got the most money possible by staying in Portland.
I usually agree about this, but You can't talk bad about player empowerment every year rap loyalty every year. Then turn into james harden. I'm all for player empowerment but I can't stand hypocrisy. Nobody said this about Bradley Beal because he was loyal quietly. He doesn't have a highlight real of being against trades that's longer than his high-school mixtape.
Its not player empowerment anymore. Its player entitlement. These guys don't even want to honor contracts they signed. No one forced him to sign for hundreds of millions of dollars. Sorry but i don't feel an iota of pity for these millionaire babies.
I feel even less pity for these greedy billionaire boss boys.
yall might think im stupid, but i think if you ask for a trade you should have no say in where youll end up, if you wanna go to a specific team wait till your contract is up and sign for them
This may be your first video where I've disagreed with nearly everything.
I respectfully disagree with him. I see his points but I’m still pro fan at the end of the day. I want him to go where he can be a contender but I also don’t want the trailblazers fan base to just get garbage.
I think a big point missed here is the dude has multiple years left on his contract. That’s what makes this unprecedented. All those guys named before were on the last year of their deal and could go anywhere they wanted to that summer. Portland has a lot more leverage here than those other teams did.
KD did it twice last year
@@nwinsto602what he did twice last year?
People really only mad cause of what team he wants to go to. If it was the Celtics or Lakers, nobody would bat an eye
Neither the organization or Dame owe each other anything. Dame's loyalty was already rewarded by the Blazers making him one of the most highly paid NBA athletes. Dame should've left instead of signing the contract.
I’m a UPS pre loader. Get 16.50 for some back breaking work. Gonna start making 21 an hour after the union contract. So grateful
The only crux here is that Miami doesn't have any assets to give for Dame. This wouldn't even be a talking point if Miami can trade so I can understand Portland for not acquiescing Dame's request. You'll basically be trading your best player for a pack of peanuts and 2 bottles of Gatorade.
Rusty I love you but I don’t think you fully understand why people are losing respect.
The main issue stems from the fact he’s on a long term and tryna force a trade to one team by threatening other teams he won’t commit to them which is actively tanking his trade value. Your underestimating the very dangerous precedent this would set
Gregg pop is sitting in the corner laughing
Worker’s rights and anti narrative Rusty>>>>>
As an UPS driver, I can garantee most NBA players make more money than me
i just wonder why bron got so much hate for giving cleveland years to get it right and leaving in free agency? He did more than dame ever could imagine with less talent but dame is getting sympathy points because he “stuck it out”
Rusty has lost touch to us peasants
FREE-AGENCY is where players have the right to choose any franchise they want..
The only way a player should be able to pick the exact team they want to play for is in free agency.
Holy shit Comrade Rusty
Dame is trying to have his cake and eat it too. He wants to have the big huge contract for 5 years and also go to the _exact team_ he wants to go to - that’s unreasonable. If you want to pick your team, play out your contract and become a free agent.
You sigh a contract. That means you work. You don't get to choose.
thank you mr marxist buckets comrade
You also always talk about hating millionaires, but here we are
He just hate billionaires even more
As a Raptors fan, nobody cares about loyalty when a team trades a player, but its a problem when players want to leave? Teams will fail to honour a contract all the time but its wrong when players do it? Interesting...
Let’s be real Dame liked being associated with his loyalty it gave him more clout and he liked being the franchise player, he didn’t just stick with the blazers out of the kindness of his heart. I’m not saying Dame had shitty intentions but acting like he gave Portland so much and got nothing in return is just wrong and naive. They also gave him max contract after max contract that he consensually signed. People make sacrifices for money or comfort and Dame CHOSE more money instead of comfort that’s on him, the alternative was still $40+ mil per year btw
Imagine asking for a trade because your team is rebuilding only to be traded to another rebuilding team
Imagine comparing Utah to Charlotte or even Boston.
Dame would be lucky to live in Boston.
Player empowerment.
Definitely a topic worth having a conversation about.
I'm all for it. But if players can sign BIG contracts then a year later demand a trade without a No Trade Clause... isn't that a bad look for the league?
When the next CBA eviscerates it or a lockout starts, it's going to be because of Dame, Kyrie, Ben Simmons, and potentially Harden. Those situations are going to bite the players in the ass.
This is the one that made me sub
@@willemdaho3 ben simmons perfect example. Signed a max contract with the 76res and then a year later demands out.
Player empowerment is ridiculous, and these players should not have any say on where they get traded, too