Yeah. That's one of the things I felt hurt this movie most, moreso than the abrupt tonal shifts. Bale is a phenomenal actor, and was very underutilized.
Oh true. Personally I took it as the time frame between the release of dark world and love and thunder. I haven’t looked at it specifically but I’m pretty sure it matches up quite closely. Edit: which doesn’t line up with the mcu timeline ofc. I took it as a fun nod to the release dates; but her being blipped makes sense if they broke up a bit before ragnarok.
I think the disconnect with Jane as Thor is purposeful. She’s just as empty and searching for meaning as Thor. She’s putting on the personality of a hero because she doesn’t know what that really means. She’s barely been Thor long enough to fully understand or figure out who she is. The bad catchphrases and uneasy showiness of her walking with her ex boyfriend, the HERO of Asgard, felt like a purposeful characterization not a mistake. There are multiple layers at play with Jane, the cancer, being Thor, seeing Odinson again, trying to figure out what is her legacy after death? I think all of that is of a piece.
You nailed it 100%. I had no attachment to her from the other movies at all but I love Jane Foster in this. She was conflicted about her situation. She was hurting but also putting up a front and absolutely sold being sick/weak. Her death caught me off guard but I feel that's one of the strongest scenes in a while. I really liked Thor professing his love and how they'll deal with the cancer together but it not mattering because Jane is the one with Cancer so it isn't Odinson's choice. It was Jane's and she chose to go out on her own terms. Not Odinsons. Not Darcys. Not the cancers. Also I don't think we always need to see training montages to understand that these characters are capable of learning to be a hero. We didn't need to see Cap train with Mjolnir for us to believe it so why is it different for Jane.
It’s strange how the villain of this film was a symbol of white supremacy yet in this film, the character who was most important, was overshadowed by Thor, a white dude lacking any kind of story of his own. Your theory has to be wrong because all three characters are conflicted by the same thing. A lack of place, a lack of purpose, potential death. The only different is that Thor has Jane’s insuring death and not his own, unlike Gore, who is closer to Jane. But again… Thor is the main character of the film despite him being less important that the two other characters in the trifecta given. And what I have said about the characters is true because the film physically describes them as such multiple times.
@@TheFlash-rh2el Firstly my interpretation of art is not WRONG, just as yours is not wrong, it’s opinion not objective fact that can be right or wrong. My theory of Janes unease doesn’t negate anything that you mention about other characters.
@@langleymneely It is when the script literally says the opposite. You’re not interpreting, you’re writing over an already-finished, much worse, piece of writing.
The movie either needed WAY more Gorr, or at the end, reveal that Gorr’s intention all along was to wish for his daughter back, and make the end more of a character moment for Thor, and not Gorr, the character that died 4 minutes later
That felt like real frustration and anger when Greg was muted, I think he was actually hurt by Kevin shutting his fun down. :c I personally like off-the-rails Greg, I get his frustration.
I love Taika, and I really enjoy all of the Thor movies (even Dark World despite its flaws) but this was a total miss for me. 80% of the humor fell flat, the action felt stale, and the visuals seemed like they were on a Disney+ level. Christian Bale kills it as always, I found myself rooting for him the entire time.
This is late, but 100% agree. I was shocked and devastated watching this movie. I know Taika loves his comedy, but there was just so much. The goodbye scene between Thor and Peter was one of the cringiest things I've ever had to sit through and I couldn't believe no one raised concerns. Everyone involved deserved better. :(
I definitely took the Valhalla scene as setting up Thors eventual ending. Where he will die and go to Valhalla to spend the afterlife with her while his new Niece will become the new Thor.
I’d of liked to see Gorr kill more gods because he seemed like a true threat but really glad to see at the end what “Love and Thunder” was about and I’d like to think that is the line Jane told Thor at the end.
Sweet Child O' Mine was played twice. First after deafeating Zeus and then for a second time at the end of the movie when Thor and Love are running together.
I interpreted Jane being let into Valhalla as cancer being her battle which she died in, which I find to be pretty profound and I think what they were going for(?)
This is you writing a better story in the form of a comment. She got into Valhalla by violently battling Gore into submission. The battling overtakes the cancer story greatly in the film. It was a very mishandled subplot.
The idea of the ending of the movie being korg having told a story to children would 100% take the film to another level. That is the best take I've heard yet!!!
I watched Thor Love and Thunder not too long ago because I could not go to the theaters due to being immuno-compromised from cancer treatment. I fought my ass off and beat Stage 4 brain cancer. The cancer subplot of the movie destroyed me emotionally. I was fine up until Darcy came into frame and sat with Jane during her chemo. My eyes turned to waterfalls because knowing that she wasn't alone during this horrible treatment made me so happy. I was very recently in that situation and having someone want to be with you during treatment just means so much to the patient. Seeing them together with the chemistry of old friends got to me.
This movie felt like a business trip where you get through all your work as fast as you can then go out and spend the companies money on fun shit. It felt like the Taika Waititi got the bag and said "aye y'all we going to shoot all the part of the movie we need to make a movie. The intro, the drama, the exposition, yada yada yada. Then we are going to just have a fucking blast after that. It felt the cast was having a blast. But that fun didn't translate to me as well. For me it felt like watching someone else play a game as opposed to playing the game with them. Taika got his shit off on this movie. Any little artsy thing he wanted to do that could fit in his budget and not totally ruin the vibe of the he did it. This movie felt so experimental and coming after Ragnarok that kinda grates on expectations of what this movie was supposed to be. It sort of rest expectations as now I can't wait for the next Thor movie so all the stuff T.W. figures out in this movie can be executed in the next movie. It also show me that the studio being controlling over these properties has its place, as this movie would have been a lot better if T.W. could have been rein and constrained a bit. 7/10 for me. This is phenomenal Disney plus movie, but it's just a good Theater movie.
I enjoyed this film a lot but something did feel strange with me and couldn’t out my finger on it! But overall i think it was great. I agree more Gorr would of been great and Kev you need to apologise to Greg for muting him he looked like he was ready to kill you haha!
I think what makes it feel off is the tone. The film has a big tonal inconsistency problem. When Thor is talking to the kidnapped children for the first time, it just doesn’t work. He needed to be more nurturing.
I felt like it was the pacing, like it was rushing through the story. I would've liked to see valkrie being treated and then sending thor away unable to go rather than waiting for him outside and basically saying "Im hurt so good luck :D" and then thor not even hesitating to leave. Also more of Gorr i think would have been better
I really feel like this will be like Guardians 2 where the initial general consensus is that it was disappointing after the first one, but over time, it will be revisited and rise in popularity. I think they're both examples where I felt the humour and emotion worked much better than their predecessors, both have stellar endings, and both have a lot of detractors. I thought Guardians 2 was much better than 1 and I feel the same way about this versus Ragnarok.
I left the theater, thinking huh, this is what some people feel about Guardians 2. I get it know. I loved Guardians 2 and was dying in the theater laughing but this just didn’t make me laugh that often nor my theater. Maybe a rewatch will help
@@dillonjose1318 it's not even really about the humour to me. With Guardians 1 and Ragnarok, I enjoy them for what they are and have fun but I feel absolutely zero emotion from them. As messy as Guardians 2 and Love and Thunder are, the final scenes really hit me. I'll take a messy film all day if it gets me to the point of how I felt seeing Thor with a daughter at the end. That feeling instantly makes those films top tier to me and I can overlook stuff that doesn't work for me earlier on. I would take that experience any day over the standard MCU stuff which is structured well and hits all the beats it's supposed to but leave me feeling nothing but a vague sense of enjoyment at the end. Honestly, I feel the same way about IW and Endgame. They're both pretty messy films in a lot of ways with awkward moments and odd decisions made that aren't to my taste, but they each have really powerful stuff in them, particularly the endings, that make them more than the sum of their parts.
I thought this was exactly as GotG 2. Trying too hard to be funny and most jokes missing completely. Too much going on in general and just really messy. Two very creative directors trying to recreate what made the first ones special, but everything just feeling forced. At least GotG2 nailed the Yondu scene at the end, but both movies are just really average and trying too hard.
I feel like this was missing a subplot where Gorr is hunting down gods and then somehow learns about eternity. Instead, the necrosword immediately tells him to go to eternity, and I have no idea why he bothers hunting any of the gods individually rather than looking for Thor and getting the bifrost... I think this would've allowed for some more Gorr screen time and character development. Ultimately though, I think he's a great dark villain but he doesn't fit into the very comedic tone of this. EDIT: Also this overall just had too many children. When are filmmakers going to realize that 99% of children suck ass at acting? Lots of very cringey dialogue that amounted to "If you are brave everything will be fine" The child soldier thing was also a bit weird.
Why did I think Love (Gorrs daughter) was played by Taikas daughter when it was ACTUALLY Hemsworths daughter India!? I thought it was cute that all the Asgard kids were played by the children of the cast, Hemsworths, Portmans, Taikas, etc.
The ragu bagu discussion made me think of how much it would have helped this movie if we learned about Eternity along with Gorr instead of just getting that information from Zeus and Valkyrie
It took a while to warm up for me but I greatly enjoyed it by the end. Certainly a lot more heart than Ragnarok. The ending really worked for me. I felt absolutely no emotion whatsoever from anything in Ragnarok. I liked the parallel between Thor losing out on all that time without Jane because he was scared of being vulnerable, with Jane choosing to be vulnerable and spend time actually doing something rather than spend the time she has left in hospital, knowing she won't survive anyway. It crept up on me and it's easy to miss but it's definitely intentional.
Honestly it was pretty disappointing for me. It was okay, there was fun to be had, but Andy is 10000% correct. Taika needed to be reigned in on this one. It's just soooo over-the-top goofy, especially in the first half, so much so that it really lost me in the beginning. I wanted more serious tones with what Jane is going through, and what Gorr is doing, and I feel like we were missing that entirely. There was nothing emotional or moving in this movie even though they tried at the end, and I think it's because they didn't set the right tone from the beginning.
This is one of those extremely entertaining films that, even though you really enjoy watching it, you have to dock a few points in a review because it does have a couple glaring flaws. Regardless, I was thoroughly entertained. Never a dull moment for me, I was always engaged.
I would love a Jane & Thor rom-com. No Avengers nonsense, just them being in a relationship. Chris Hemsworth and Natalie Portman had such great chemistry together.
I absolutely loved this movie, so much so that right after I left the theater I said “this must be in the 90s on RT and MC.” You shoulda seen my face when I pulled out my phone to check. I’m pretty shocked that there are so many negative reviews. Some “top reviewers” are calling it the worst MCU film. To me, that seems absurd. Yes, it’s rushed. We needed more of everything, but that’s because everything is so good. When the second part of “November Rain” hits, I legit got goosebumps. It’s number 8 on my personal MCU list
Also, as much as I love this movie, my other gripe is that it suffers from a little of that “corny MCU dialogue” syndrome. We didn’t need Jane Foster to say “I’m the Mighty Thor!” It would have been more effective if, as she shows up on the pegasus, for one of the kids to look up in wonder and kinda whisper “the mighty Thor!”
I agree, I'm shocked by the bad reviews. Maybe a case of false expectations. I think people will warm to it over time. Some of the film was messy, but I can forgive that for how hard the ending hit me.
@@thekittencornyshow8223 when I saw the MC and RT scores after I finished the film, I couldn’t believe it. Legit reviewers are saying it’s the “worst MCU film.” That’s crazy. I understand not everyone is gonna love it like I do, but WORST MCU film??? No chance.
There were lots of little glimpses into what could have been a top 5 MCU movie, but Taika definitely got in his own road. That said, I reaaaally enjoyed it.
I’m surprised how much I loved this movie. From beginning to end I was throughly entertained. The set pieces were insane, Gorr was scary af, and the rom-com aspect of this movie was awesome I genuinely cannot wait to watch it again
The whole movie just felt off. I feel the way I did after GOTG2, they let a very out of box director make a movie and then let them off the leash for the sequel. I don't outright dislike this movie like GOTG2, but I think it's a stepback from Ragnarok. I'm more open to seeing this one again because it is still hilarious and fun throughout. Nothing outside of No Way Home has really hit for me since Endgame.
Almost the exact same for me with the exception of the gotg2 take. I have a soft spot for it since it's the only cbm I went into with less context than my girlfriend since I hadn't seen the first one. But yeah off is exactly how it felt even though I still enjoyed it
God the "empty calories" line is so perfect. It feels like this phase (besides NWH and Loki) has had everything end and me go "I could've just read about that." They never end and leave me excited for the future (sidenote: nothing has to be anything, I don't need that necessarily) they just end. I'm honestly just ready for the next grandiose event at this point. I will enjoy this phase so much more in 5-ish years when i know where it goes and can just watch and appreciate the movies
I think I liked Love & Thunder more than Ragnarok. It was fun and emotional, the fights with Natalie Portman's multi hammer were dope, and I didn't know what to expect. I didn't think they were going to introduce and kill The Mighty Thor in the same movie, I thought they were setting her up to take over.
I would explain it like this: Gor without killing is like making a Highlander movie without swords, imagine Conner just wishes away immortality on a magic lamp.
I feel like some of your feelings about the movie depended on the crowd's reaction when you watched it. I definitely didn't have the laughs during Gorr scenes in my theater and I felt the opposite of what Andy felt on them.
This movie was a 5/5 for me and might be my new fav in the MCU. The bombast fits because mania is often where you go when you're desperate to find meaning in a shitty situation. The love and heartbreak and fear and hurt are beautifully handled, and I could go on and on about the different levels that make this movie work brilliantly for me.
while i can appreciate what Taika brought to the Thor movies, mainly through his humor, I just feel it's a pity that that happened at the expense of Thor's more significant stories that did need more of the dramatic tone to them. Hela and Gorr would have made iconic villains to Thor at the level of Loki (in Thor and The Avengers), Thanos, Killmonger and Vulture...BUT, because, as Tim said, they had to take a backseat to the humorous tone Taika's bringing to the franchise, they both got kinda shortchanged. i hope, SOMEHOW, they can bring them back once they've kinda course corrected Thor to just the sweet spot he was in Infinity War and beginning of Endgame. I like the movie, but, it just felt SO light weight..and considering it was telling Jane's cancer story and Gorr butchering gods (which we didn't get to see enough of)...that shouldn't've been the case.
The ending with all the Batman podcasts chimed in felt like watching love and Thunder. It's entertaining when Greg did it but I was also wondering if any of this is real indeed
Having gone to the movie with people within different age brackets, I feel like the younger audiences felt the same way as Tim and Andy, and the more "older" audiences would be with Nick. I really enjoyed the story and don't really think that all movies need a massive set piece or need to be linked to the greater MCU. You just need to trust in the story. With Natalie Portman's performance, you can definitely see the weight that her illness has on her.
I feel like the valhalla post credits scene is more teasing thors destination, maybe at the end of a taika trilogy or whenever chris hemsworth is done, they kill him off send him to valhalla and he gets a happy ending with jane, loki, mom, dad, heimdell, the warriors 3.
Definitely agree with Greg. This movie felt like an SNL skit of a thor movie for most of it but the jokes don’t land as well as it did in Ragnarok. It’s almost cringe. Too many jokes and not enough time to sit in serious dramatic moments that wouldve meant more. Plot and story felt very rushed and we got to things with characters that don’t feel earned. The emotional beats don’t hit or feel deserved. Christian Bale was amazing as Gorr and deserved more screentime to show more of his story, character and him actually butchering Gods but almost out of place in this more comedic movie that it was like Heath Ledger as Joker in terms of performance and story being thrown into a SNL sketch. There were no stakes really. Watched Ragnarok right before Love and Thunder and Ragnarok had a way better balance between jokes, drama, story, and character development. And the jokes in Ragnarok landed way better than in Love and Thunder. The theatre i went to only had a big laugh the first time the goats came in and screamed but that was really it. I really didnt like Thors character much in Love and Thunder, its like when he went to SNL to do skits of Thor. Thors best trilogy and story arc is between Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame. I know phase 4 is like phase 1 and is supposed to set up bigger plots but this movie should still stand on its own and it doesn’t to me.
This movie was entertaining enough, but ultimately a disappointment. Pacing was all over the place, writing wasn’t as sharp as its predecessor. Characterizations were baffling, vis a vis Thor. I didn’t laugh as much I did in Ragnarok. Greg nailed it, it’s empty calories.
I think it could be all korgs story cause he comes back to "let me tell you the story of Jodie foster" so that to me makes it seem like it is the story coming from Korg
Jane *did* die in battle - just with cancer instead of against Gorr. And she'd been deemed worthy of godly power, so makes perfect sense to me that she'd end up in the ol 'Halla
This movie is a total mixed bag. I loved Ragnarok, but this is just too much into the comedy and introduces some issues into previous films. I feel like I needed to turn my brain off and that isn't a good thing. Biggest issues 1. How can Mojlnir be reforged? Is it just Jane wanted it. Thor didn't ever try to use it with his power? I know Thor put his spell on it (maybe unintentionally), but it seems weird that it just magically was fixed and he used it at the end of the movie. 2. Thor giving his power to the kids would have been really useful against Thanos. 3. Tone was all over the place. 4. Gorr was vastly underutilized and things like how he figured out Stormbreaker was the only way to complete his plan felt like a scene was missing. They could have shown him torture a god for information on how to get to infinity which would show him butcher a god and help show his plan coming together. Between MCU since Endgame (minus Spider-Man), and Pixar (Onward, Soul, Turning Red, Lightyear, Luca) I have been mostly middling on all of them where I used to be super pumped for anything new Marvel or Pixar. I have lost trust in both brands and think their glory days might be behind them.
Did not like this movie whatsoever. Wondered if you guys would. Movie can be summed up in one word: stupid. But I get that people view comedy subjectively.
It was fun, and I enjoyed it - but I wouldn't confuse those things with great (or even good). And I'm mostly cool with that, but those distinctions I think are important.
I would have loved another 20-30 minutes of Gorr actually doing some butchering on screen.
Leading up to this movie I would have loved a 'monster of the week' show with Gorr
Yeah, Gorr’s kills are epic in the comics. They needed way more Gorr. Bale was phenomenal in the role.
Yeah there should have been at least a couple extended scenes of him hunting down and killing gods.
They filmed it. Got cut for being "too dark" apparently.
Yeah. That's one of the things I felt hurt this movie most, moreso than the abrupt tonal shifts. Bale is a phenomenal actor, and was very underutilized.
FYI little tidbit I noticed. Jane said it was 3 years Thor said 8, telling us she got snapped and he ofc did not.
Nice catch
Oh true. Personally I took it as the time frame between the release of dark world and love and thunder. I haven’t looked at it specifically but I’m pretty sure it matches up quite closely.
Edit: which doesn’t line up with the mcu timeline ofc. I took it as a fun nod to the release dates; but her being blipped makes sense if they broke up a bit before ragnarok.
Yea she did get snapped. They showed her picture on the screen in Endgame
I think the disconnect with Jane as Thor is purposeful. She’s just as empty and searching for meaning as Thor. She’s putting on the personality of a hero because she doesn’t know what that really means. She’s barely been Thor long enough to fully understand or figure out who she is. The bad catchphrases and uneasy showiness of her walking with her ex boyfriend, the HERO of Asgard, felt like a purposeful characterization not a mistake. There are multiple layers at play with Jane, the cancer, being Thor, seeing Odinson again, trying to figure out what is her legacy after death? I think all of that is of a piece.
You nailed it 100%. I had no attachment to her from the other movies at all but I love Jane Foster in this. She was conflicted about her situation. She was hurting but also putting up a front and absolutely sold being sick/weak. Her death caught me off guard but I feel that's one of the strongest scenes in a while. I really liked Thor professing his love and how they'll deal with the cancer together but it not mattering because Jane is the one with Cancer so it isn't Odinson's choice. It was Jane's and she chose to go out on her own terms. Not Odinsons. Not Darcys. Not the cancers. Also I don't think we always need to see training montages to understand that these characters are capable of learning to be a hero. We didn't need to see Cap train with Mjolnir for us to believe it so why is it different for Jane.
It’s strange how the villain of this film was a symbol of white supremacy yet in this film, the character who was most important, was overshadowed by Thor, a white dude lacking any kind of story of his own.
Your theory has to be wrong because all three characters are conflicted by the same thing. A lack of place, a lack of purpose, potential death. The only different is that Thor has Jane’s insuring death and not his own, unlike Gore, who is closer to Jane.
But again… Thor is the main character of the film despite him being less important that the two other characters in the trifecta given. And what I have said about the characters is true because the film physically describes them as such multiple times.
@@TheFlash-rh2el Firstly my interpretation of art is not WRONG, just as yours is not wrong, it’s opinion not objective fact that can be right or wrong. My theory of Janes unease doesn’t negate anything that you mention about other characters.
@@langleymneely It is when the script literally says the opposite. You’re not interpreting, you’re writing over an already-finished, much worse, piece of writing.
I for one appreciate Greg trying to integrate such a fan favorite podcast within a podcast as Rockin Robin TM in to the MCU!
The defeat in Greg’s voice after Kevin muted him :(
The movie either needed WAY more Gorr, or at the end, reveal that Gorr’s intention all along was to wish for his daughter back, and make the end more of a character moment for Thor, and not Gorr, the character that died 4 minutes later
That felt like real frustration and anger when Greg was muted, I think he was actually hurt by Kevin shutting his fun down. :c
I personally like off-the-rails Greg, I get his frustration.
I love Taika, and I really enjoy all of the Thor movies (even Dark World despite its flaws) but this was a total miss for me. 80% of the humor fell flat, the action felt stale, and the visuals seemed like they were on a Disney+ level. Christian Bale kills it as always, I found myself rooting for him the entire time.
Yeah, I was surprised that the whole cast was pretty positive on this movie… it really did not work for me at all
Taika's humor just gets me, the last half was a sweet surprise and a nice change of pace visually.
This is late, but 100% agree. I was shocked and devastated watching this movie. I know Taika loves his comedy, but there was just so much. The goodbye scene between Thor and Peter was one of the cringiest things I've ever had to sit through and I couldn't believe no one raised concerns. Everyone involved deserved better. :(
how do you like Dark World and not this movie? wtf
I definitely took the Valhalla scene as setting up Thors eventual ending. Where he will die and go to Valhalla to spend the afterlife with her while his new Niece will become the new Thor.
Forgot the best part where Thor rides stormbreaker like a broom stick lmao
I’d of liked to see Gorr kill more gods because he seemed like a true threat but really glad to see at the end what “Love and Thunder” was about and I’d like to think that is the line Jane told Thor at the end.
Damn. Kevin muting Greg. Top 10 anime betrayals. More emotional weight in the end of this review than in this movie. Lol.
Sweet Child O' Mine was played twice. First after deafeating Zeus and then for a second time at the end of the movie when Thor and Love are running together.
I interpreted Jane being let into Valhalla as cancer being her battle which she died in, which I find to be pretty profound and I think what they were going for(?)
This is you writing a better story in the form of a comment. She got into Valhalla by violently battling Gore into submission. The battling overtakes the cancer story greatly in the film. It was a very mishandled subplot.
That montage of them being a couple could’ve been a D+ series and I would’ve been all for it.
The goats killed me everytime. I was wheez laughing when they came in during the black/white scene.
I’m also glad that Asgard stopped feasting on children those were dark days.
It broke my heart when Kevin muted Greg during Rockin Robin 💔 Anarchy Greg = Best Greg.
"Empty calories" is the absolute perfect description for this film.
Hey Greg - love your funny moments. Hope you weren’t feeling down 🙂
I'm with Nick 100%. I loved this movie a lot and felt that it had so much heart and personality
The idea of the ending of the movie being korg having told a story to children would 100% take the film to another level. That is the best take I've heard yet!!!
The entire movie (sans the opening scene with Gorr) frames it as exactly that.
That was the point
@@lexis4490 huh? I was agreeing that it would have made the movie better.
I watched Thor Love and Thunder not too long ago because I could not go to the theaters due to being immuno-compromised from cancer treatment. I fought my ass off and beat Stage 4 brain cancer. The cancer subplot of the movie destroyed me emotionally. I was fine up until Darcy came into frame and sat with Jane during her chemo. My eyes turned to waterfalls because knowing that she wasn't alone during this horrible treatment made me so happy. I was very recently in that situation and having someone want to be with you during treatment just means so much to the patient. Seeing them together with the chemistry of old friends got to me.
This movie felt like a business trip where you get through all your work as fast as you can then go out and spend the companies money on fun shit.
It felt like the Taika Waititi got the bag and said "aye y'all we going to shoot all the part of the movie we need to make a movie. The intro, the drama, the exposition, yada yada yada. Then we are going to just have a fucking blast after that.
It felt the cast was having a blast.
But that fun didn't translate to me as well. For me it felt like watching someone else play a game as opposed to playing the game with them.
Taika got his shit off on this movie. Any little artsy thing he wanted to do that could fit in his budget and not totally ruin the vibe of the he did it. This movie felt so experimental and coming after Ragnarok that kinda grates on expectations of what this movie was supposed to be. It sort of rest expectations as now I can't wait for the next Thor movie so all the stuff T.W. figures out in this movie can be executed in the next movie. It also show me that the studio being controlling over these properties has its place, as this movie would have been a lot better if T.W. could have been rein and constrained a bit.
7/10 for me. This is phenomenal Disney plus movie, but it's just a good Theater movie.
Poor Greg 😂 let the man tweedly deedly deet
I enjoyed this film a lot but something did feel strange with me and couldn’t out my finger on it! But overall i think it was great. I agree more Gorr would of been great and Kev you need to apologise to Greg for muting him he looked like he was ready to kill you haha!
I think what makes it feel off is the tone. The film has a big tonal inconsistency problem.
When Thor is talking to the kidnapped children for the first time, it just doesn’t work. He needed to be more nurturing.
@@teddyholiday8038 it could well be it! Going to see it again to see if i can pin point it
I felt like it was the pacing, like it was rushing through the story. I would've liked to see valkrie being treated and then sending thor away unable to go rather than waiting for him outside and basically saying "Im hurt so good luck :D" and then thor not even hesitating to leave. Also more of Gorr i think would have been better
totally agree, there is just something slightly off about it
I really feel like this will be like Guardians 2 where the initial general consensus is that it was disappointing after the first one, but over time, it will be revisited and rise in popularity. I think they're both examples where I felt the humour and emotion worked much better than their predecessors, both have stellar endings, and both have a lot of detractors. I thought Guardians 2 was much better than 1 and I feel the same way about this versus Ragnarok.
I left the theater, thinking huh, this is what some people feel about Guardians 2. I get it know. I loved Guardians 2 and was dying in the theater laughing but this just didn’t make me laugh that often nor my theater. Maybe a rewatch will help
@@dillonjose1318 it's not even really about the humour to me. With Guardians 1 and Ragnarok, I enjoy them for what they are and have fun but I feel absolutely zero emotion from them.
As messy as Guardians 2 and Love and Thunder are, the final scenes really hit me. I'll take a messy film all day if it gets me to the point of how I felt seeing Thor with a daughter at the end. That feeling instantly makes those films top tier to me and I can overlook stuff that doesn't work for me earlier on. I would take that experience any day over the standard MCU stuff which is structured well and hits all the beats it's supposed to but leave me feeling nothing but a vague sense of enjoyment at the end.
Honestly, I feel the same way about IW and Endgame. They're both pretty messy films in a lot of ways with awkward moments and odd decisions made that aren't to my taste, but they each have really powerful stuff in them, particularly the endings, that make them more than the sum of their parts.
I thought this was exactly as GotG 2. Trying too hard to be funny and most jokes missing completely. Too much going on in general and just really messy. Two very creative directors trying to recreate what made the first ones special, but everything just feeling forced. At least GotG2 nailed the Yondu scene at the end, but both movies are just really average and trying too hard.
I feel like this was missing a subplot where Gorr is hunting down gods and then somehow learns about eternity. Instead, the necrosword immediately tells him to go to eternity, and I have no idea why he bothers hunting any of the gods individually rather than looking for Thor and getting the bifrost... I think this would've allowed for some more Gorr screen time and character development.
Ultimately though, I think he's a great dark villain but he doesn't fit into the very comedic tone of this.
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Also this overall just had too many children. When are filmmakers going to realize that 99% of children suck ass at acting? Lots of very cringey dialogue that amounted to "If you are brave everything will be fine"
The child soldier thing was also a bit weird.
Why did I think Love (Gorrs daughter) was played by Taikas daughter when it was ACTUALLY Hemsworths daughter India!? I thought it was cute that all the Asgard kids were played by the children of the cast, Hemsworths, Portmans, Taikas, etc.
Nick saying "mmkay, gotta Google 'a o e' later" was funnier to me than it should've been, such a boomer moment 🤣
The audible groan from everyone when rockin robin starts playing 😂
The ragu bagu discussion made me think of how much it would have helped this movie if we learned about Eternity along with Gorr instead of just getting that information from Zeus and Valkyrie
You see it at the start when he grabs the sword for the first time, a flash vision played in Gorr's eyes saying open the bifrost and go to Eternity
It took a while to warm up for me but I greatly enjoyed it by the end. Certainly a lot more heart than Ragnarok. The ending really worked for me. I felt absolutely no emotion whatsoever from anything in Ragnarok.
I liked the parallel between Thor losing out on all that time without Jane because he was scared of being vulnerable, with Jane choosing to be vulnerable and spend time actually doing something rather than spend the time she has left in hospital, knowing she won't survive anyway. It crept up on me and it's easy to miss but it's definitely intentional.
I did love how it turned into Kingdom Hearts 3 at the end
Honestly it was pretty disappointing for me. It was okay, there was fun to be had, but Andy is 10000% correct. Taika needed to be reigned in on this one. It's just soooo over-the-top goofy, especially in the first half, so much so that it really lost me in the beginning. I wanted more serious tones with what Jane is going through, and what Gorr is doing, and I feel like we were missing that entirely. There was nothing emotional or moving in this movie even though they tried at the end, and I think it's because they didn't set the right tone from the beginning.
I'd rather watch Gorr than Hella! She was still excellent but I think gorr was much more unique and still a tiny bit of charisma still.
This movie is definitely not better than Black Panther,Far from home, or Iron man. It should’ve gotten a lower ranking
How do I know the movie fell flat?
Kids were running around screaming in the theatre and no one cared to complain.
This is one of those extremely entertaining films that, even though you really enjoy watching it, you have to dock a few points in a review because it does have a couple glaring flaws. Regardless, I was thoroughly entertained. Never a dull moment for me, I was always engaged.
I would love a Jane & Thor rom-com. No Avengers nonsense, just them being in a relationship. Chris Hemsworth and Natalie Portman had such great chemistry together.
I absolutely loved this movie, so much so that right after I left the theater I said “this must be in the 90s on RT and MC.” You shoulda seen my face when I pulled out my phone to check. I’m pretty shocked that there are so many negative reviews. Some “top reviewers” are calling it the worst MCU film. To me, that seems absurd.
Yes, it’s rushed. We needed more of everything, but that’s because everything is so good. When the second part of “November Rain” hits, I legit got goosebumps.
It’s number 8 on my personal MCU list
Also, as much as I love this movie, my other gripe is that it suffers from a little of that “corny MCU dialogue” syndrome.
We didn’t need Jane Foster to say “I’m the Mighty Thor!” It would have been more effective if, as she shows up on the pegasus, for one of the kids to look up in wonder and kinda whisper “the mighty Thor!”
I agree, I'm shocked by the bad reviews. Maybe a case of false expectations. I think people will warm to it over time. Some of the film was messy, but I can forgive that for how hard the ending hit me.
@@thekittencornyshow8223 when I saw the MC and RT scores after I finished the film, I couldn’t believe it. Legit reviewers are saying it’s the “worst MCU film.” That’s crazy.
I understand not everyone is gonna love it like I do, but WORST MCU film??? No chance.
Pretty much agreed but I see the flaws with it, and they def slightly bring it down even tho I loved it. 10 on my list
greg's rockin robin podcast this episode is top 3 kinda funny moments of all time lmao
There were lots of little glimpses into what could have been a top 5 MCU movie, but Taika definitely got in his own road. That said, I reaaaally enjoyed it.
I’m surprised how much I loved this movie. From beginning to end I was throughly entertained. The set pieces were insane, Gorr was scary af, and the rom-com aspect of this movie was awesome I genuinely cannot wait to watch it again
Been waiting since Tuesday for this! Never got to see it so early before
The whole movie just felt off. I feel the way I did after GOTG2, they let a very out of box director make a movie and then let them off the leash for the sequel. I don't outright dislike this movie like GOTG2, but I think it's a stepback from Ragnarok. I'm more open to seeing this one again because it is still hilarious and fun throughout.
Nothing outside of No Way Home has really hit for me since Endgame.
Almost the exact same for me with the exception of the gotg2 take. I have a soft spot for it since it's the only cbm I went into with less context than my girlfriend since I hadn't seen the first one. But yeah off is exactly how it felt even though I still enjoyed it
God the "empty calories" line is so perfect. It feels like this phase (besides NWH and Loki) has had everything end and me go "I could've just read about that." They never end and leave me excited for the future (sidenote: nothing has to be anything, I don't need that necessarily) they just end. I'm honestly just ready for the next grandiose event at this point. I will enjoy this phase so much more in 5-ish years when i know where it goes and can just watch and appreciate the movies
This ranked next to Shang-chi? Something's wrong.
I think I liked Love & Thunder more than Ragnarok. It was fun and emotional, the fights with Natalie Portman's multi hammer were dope, and I didn't know what to expect. I didn't think they were going to introduce and kill The Mighty Thor in the same movie, I thought they were setting her up to take over.
Ignoring the chat about the movie for a second. Andy, finish that rendition of Guns N Roses Sweet Child O Mine because that was honestly class!
The scene with Gor ripping off the head of the snake in front of the kids felt more menacing like Penny Wise from IT
Greg nailed this take. Movie is like a 7/10 at best imo. Needed another 20-25 mins to show more Gorr.
We appreciate the effort Andy
When Thor is stripped naked, Korgs line is something like “it looks like a limp courgette”
Thank you Jakey - Tim
@@kindafunny 😘
@@kindafunny slight correction; it was a “shy” courgette!
I would explain it like this: Gor without killing is like making a Highlander movie without swords, imagine Conner just wishes away immortality on a magic lamp.
I loved this movie, and I loved Nick's reactions to everyone else trashing on it (not actually, but somewhere a bit below trashing it)
YOU KNOW WHAT TIM. YOU HAVENT COVERED SHREK
I don’t know why, but the guy in the chemo office reading Jane’s book next to her reminded me of Kevin haha
I liked the idea of Korg doing the voice over storytelling in moments, but the execution could have been better.
I feel like some of your feelings about the movie depended on the crowd's reaction when you watched it. I definitely didn't have the laughs during Gorr scenes in my theater and I felt the opposite of what Andy felt on them.
Am I mistaken or did Corg say he had a mom in Ragnorok? Now he has two dads? What?
l liked that all 4 of them worked through the plot together with Nick just steering the boat. Nobody's gotta take notes in a movie theater.
Not sure if people noticed but when they entire the city with all the gods Thor says “hey there’s the god of carpentry” referencing Jesus in the MCU
This movie was a 5/5 for me and might be my new fav in the MCU. The bombast fits because mania is often where you go when you're desperate to find meaning in a shitty situation. The love and heartbreak and fear and hurt are beautifully handled, and I could go on and on about the different levels that make this movie work brilliantly for me.
Based on the KF ranking, I'd have _Thor: Love and Thunder_ at number 29, below _Iron Man 3_
Not cool Kevin for muting Greg 😤😤😤
The first half of the movie I agree wasn't perfect but by the end it had won me over and I had tears in my eyes. Loved it
while i can appreciate what Taika brought to the Thor movies, mainly through his humor, I just feel it's a pity that that happened at the expense of Thor's more significant stories that did need more of the dramatic tone to them.
Hela and Gorr would have made iconic villains to Thor at the level of Loki (in Thor and The Avengers), Thanos, Killmonger and Vulture...BUT, because, as Tim said, they had to take a backseat to the humorous tone Taika's bringing to the franchise, they both got kinda shortchanged.
i hope, SOMEHOW, they can bring them back once they've kinda course corrected Thor to just the sweet spot he was in Infinity War and beginning of Endgame.
I like the movie, but, it just felt SO light weight..and considering it was telling Jane's cancer story and Gorr butchering gods (which we didn't get to see enough of)...that shouldn't've been the case.
I’m with Nick, I had a fucking blast with this movie.
Gorr absolutely belongs in Gordon in Review
I was thinking Thor would enter the portal first at the end and use the wish to save Jane, was pleasantly surprised with the ending I got instead.
The ending with all the Batman podcasts chimed in felt like watching love and Thunder.
It's entertaining when Greg did it but I was also wondering if any of this is real indeed
Having gone to the movie with people within different age brackets, I feel like the younger audiences felt the same way as Tim and Andy, and the more "older" audiences would be with Nick. I really enjoyed the story and don't really think that all movies need a massive set piece or need to be linked to the greater MCU. You just need to trust in the story. With Natalie Portman's performance, you can definitely see the weight that her illness has on her.
ROCKY IN REVIEW LETS FUCKING GOOOO
We really need Greg on the Rocky in Reviews, so he can bring back the famous "Rocky Robin" podcast 👀
Greg has officially lost his mind. LOL
The mute was not cool.
Even after all these years I still laugh at "Rad Guys" that name gets funnier the further we get into the future.
Greg nailed it!
Of course Nick would love this movie. Most of the humor is his type of humor, for better or worse. And fuck yes, Rocky in Review!
I feel like the valhalla post credits scene is more teasing thors destination, maybe at the end of a taika trilogy or whenever chris hemsworth is done, they kill him off send him to valhalla and he gets a happy ending with jane, loki, mom, dad, heimdell, the warriors 3.
Definitely agree with Greg. This movie felt like an SNL skit of a thor movie for most of it but the jokes don’t land as well as it did in Ragnarok. It’s almost cringe. Too many jokes and not enough time to sit in serious dramatic moments that wouldve meant more. Plot and story felt very rushed and we got to things with characters that don’t feel earned. The emotional beats don’t hit or feel deserved. Christian Bale was amazing as Gorr and deserved more screentime to show more of his story, character and him actually butchering Gods but almost out of place in this more comedic movie that it was like Heath Ledger as Joker in terms of performance and story being thrown into a SNL sketch. There were no stakes really. Watched Ragnarok right before Love and Thunder and Ragnarok had a way better balance between jokes, drama, story, and character development. And the jokes in Ragnarok landed way better than in Love and Thunder. The theatre i went to only had a big laugh the first time the goats came in and screamed but that was really it. I really didnt like Thors character much in Love and Thunder, its like when he went to SNL to do skits of Thor. Thors best trilogy and story arc is between Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame.
I know phase 4 is like phase 1 and is supposed to set up bigger plots but this movie should still stand on its own and it doesn’t to me.
This movie was entertaining enough, but ultimately a disappointment. Pacing was all over the place, writing wasn’t as sharp as its predecessor. Characterizations were baffling, vis a vis Thor. I didn’t laugh as much I did in Ragnarok. Greg nailed it, it’s empty calories.
The fact that I can fast forward through the movie ranking is insane
Andy, didn't they play Sweet Child twice? I thought they played it again at the very end
The Marvel Studios logo intro made me legit think I was starting a Kinda Funny and Review for some reason. 😂
Fun fact: the instrumental track for Crazy Town's "Butterfly" is taken from "Pretty Little Ditty" by the Red Hot Chili Peppers
I for one wanted to know where Love ranked with all the Robins. Damn shame that got cut short.
ITS ABOUT FUCKING TIME!!!! FINALLY WE GET ROCKY IN REVIEW
I thought the fight on the black and white planet was an outstanding set piece moment - so cool
I think it could be all korgs story cause he comes back to "let me tell you the story of Jodie foster" so that to me makes it seem like it is the story coming from Korg
Stormbreaker beer scene and Valkyrie speaker scene really didn't work for me.
Jane *did* die in battle - just with cancer instead of against Gorr. And she'd been deemed worthy of godly power, so makes perfect sense to me that she'd end up in the ol 'Halla
I agree with the spot in the rankings
This movie is a total mixed bag. I loved Ragnarok, but this is just too much into the comedy and introduces some issues into previous films. I feel like I needed to turn my brain off and that isn't a good thing.
Biggest issues
1. How can Mojlnir be reforged? Is it just Jane wanted it. Thor didn't ever try to use it with his power? I know Thor put his spell on it (maybe unintentionally), but it seems weird that it just magically was fixed and he used it at the end of the movie.
2. Thor giving his power to the kids would have been really useful against Thanos.
3. Tone was all over the place.
4. Gorr was vastly underutilized and things like how he figured out Stormbreaker was the only way to complete his plan felt like a scene was missing. They could have shown him torture a god for information on how to get to infinity which would show him butcher a god and help show his plan coming together.
Between MCU since Endgame (minus Spider-Man), and Pixar (Onward, Soul, Turning Red, Lightyear, Luca) I have been mostly middling on all of them where I used to be super pumped for anything new Marvel or Pixar. I have lost trust in both brands and think their glory days might be behind them.
Motion to have Ted Lasso on screencast for season 3?
Did not like this movie whatsoever. Wondered if you guys would. Movie can be summed up in one word: stupid. But I get that people view comedy subjectively.
It was fun, and I enjoyed it - but I wouldn't confuse those things with great (or even good). And I'm mostly cool with that, but those distinctions I think are important.
Gorr could have a stand alone film set before this but after the intro scene
Criminally underused Christian Bale in this, other than that I thought it was pretty good. Not better than Ragnarok but a solid movie.
My take as well