Katniss' emotional dissonance and the time it takes for her to commit to loving Peeta is one of my favourite parts of the Hunger Games. Katniss is someone who, despite everything, loves so hard. She cares so much about people but she knows that will hurt her so she tells herself she doesn't. I don't think she was in love with Peeta for quite a while into the books but I do think she loved him as a kind boy who saved her and she didn't want to let die. From Peeta's POV he's seeing the girl he loves risk everything for him time and time again the same way he has. He sees that love, he just misunderstands what it meant for them
Katniss refuses to believe her emotions, because capitol took away her choice. And she long decided to never marry and risk having children to send hunger games. Since she has to be with peeta now, she hates the situation.
This. There is a huge element of choice in love that is hugely under-represented in fictionalized romance. Of course there's a big element of attraction, and finding a person with whom you click in many ways, but there's also a moment where you decide this is it. And the freer you are to make a choice like that the stronger your ability to commit and to love. Her feelings for Peeta are so weighed down by Capitol bullshit that she can't do more than recognise him as a fellow victim and friend. On top of not wanting love in the first place. With Peeta she's not free to choose, even if her feelings are there. Peeta chose her the day he gave her bread. And the freedom to choose matters, especially to those who haven't had a lot of opportunity to control their lives. To give a couple of real life personal examples close to my heart: My grandmother and my mother. My grandmother was raised very typically for her time with the expectation that she would be a housewife and mother in the future (if she could have chosen and could have gotten an education I'm pretty sure she would have wanted to be an engineer). She married my grandfather, a farmer, because he had shown he cared about her opinion more than other potential suitors. She wanted to marry (to leave her parents house), he was clearly better than the others, his voice made her shiver and she thought that was as close to love as she'd ever get. But the moment she committed to him in truth and really chose him in her heart was when a few weeks into their marriage, having realised that she had yet to leave their country house after all this time, he took her to the car showed her the basics of how to drive then handed her the keys and told her to "go". No other directive, just go do whatever, go to town, go to the sea, go crash the car, just don't feel like she was dependant on him if she wanted to do something. The way she talks about it he basically handed her the keys to freedom and the world became full of color starting with the sky blue jeep he wanted her to feel free to use. And that's when she knew she had chosen someone she would love all her life. She went, didn't crash the jeep and then returned to tell him about it, every day until he died. My mother was finishing her degree, she had a job lined up, some money saved up, for the first time in her life she felt as if she had full control over her time and life, and that gave her choices to do what she wanted beyond those things needed to live, and that was freedom. That's when she met my dad and decided she'd use that freedom to be with him. She will literally say "I felt free for the first time, and I gave that freedom to him because for the first time I could". Of all my friends I'm the only one whose parents never divorced. The freedom to make a conscious choice in love is hugely important.
Katniss could not allow herself to believe she actually liked peeta because it was forced upon her by the capital but she was still out there writing poetry about his eyelashes like?
People also consistently forget that uuum. Katniss is NOT a good actor. This was part of the reason Coin didn't want her as the face of the revolution (among other things lmao) and Peeta does see elements of this throughout the first novel, and is also just good at reading people. It makes sense he wouldn't think Katniss was acting completely and it doesn't make sense that readers would think Katniss was acting completely, because if she was it would have been really bad acting 😭
Thank you for reminding me why Katniss and Peeta are so much deeper than the movies portrayed. No matter how Gale felt towards Katniss, he could never understand the feeling of surviving in an arena as a spectacle, playing a part for that invisible, insatiable audience as a means of putting on a show to avoid any freak fires or muttation attacks, while grappling with genuine feelings of attatchment and being forced to question whether it was an extension of this necessary charade or not. Also I love the pink and blue flannel teddies.
Not to forget also that Katniss couldn't possibly understand her feelings when she didnt even know she could trust Petaa's feelings. When he revealed his crush, she thought it was a tactic and was using her, those doubts follow her all the time, every the step of the way, and dealing with developing feelings and ACKNOWLEDGE THEM, when Petta was probably bluffing and playing the PR Game, it was too much to actually deal with. Also, I think that part of her hurt to think he was using her like that, that him of all people, the one who saved her, would "lie and use her like that"just pushed her feelings farther away. Not only she had to come to terms with her feelings throughout the whole series but she also had to find a way to trust Petaa's feelings for her. And that was the tricky part, as she trust no one, everyone (exceptfor Prim) had always let her down up to that point. That's pary of why I loved the arc the author gave Petaa in Mockingbird, because she always doubtes Petaa's feelings, but when they were truly gone, she realized how much she actually relied and trsut him deep down, because he was so *consistent* about his feelings even through all her doubts, that when she lost that Petaa, she couldn't find comfort in nothing, since he was the only one she had always relied on to feel safe even from a far. Snow knew her weaknesses even better than all the people who thought had Katniss figured out, they bought the lie she told herself about not loving Petaa, so everyone thought she just played along but never had real feelings for him. Only Snow knew, he saw through Katniss like the child she was, inexperienced in the matters of the heart. Thats why he made sure to break him and take those memories from him, from them, making sure they would never be on the same length. He really knew Katniss, but he truly underestimate Petaa's love for Katniss.
Thank youuu great analysis! I hate when people act like katniss was just some manipulator who fakes everything, took advantage of him and didn’t really love him until catching fire. The same girl who had to feed her family as a preteen and could only think about life and death and survival was willing to throw her life away and die with peeta rather than just take the safe route and kill him ensuring her future with her family. Like thats so romantic to me, you don’t do that for a boy you’re just manipulating😭
thank you! ah that bothers me too! It seems like a lot of the people who have that low opinon of Katniss never actually read the books, just saw the movies
@@RachelARamrashonestly as someone who really only has memory of the movies, I never even saw her like that. Ik this term gets thrown around a lot but I think a lot of it is just people who don’t have much media literacy and/or people who were upset we had a girl for a main character 😂
@@RachelARamras I think it's also because most of us read the novels when we were teenagers or pre-teens, so we didn't understand a lot of the meanings and Katniss true character. I had just started to like reading and I had bad comprehension. Even now I'm not very critical about the media I consume, I enjoy it or simply I don't, so maybe Katniss wasn't too likeable but I liked the story so I didn't mind and I don't even remember if I liked her or not. I didn't understand like 80% of the books at that time. I constantly forgot and didn't fully comprehended Katniss was a kid, I didn't get that she was a unreliable narrator, I didn't see Gale's red flags and I actually was conflicted with the love triangle, and about the different opinions about war presented in the book. As an adult I can understand those as now I know better about literature, politics and psychology. Probably those people who doesn't like her are/were more critic about the characters but didn't know psychology or had bad reading comprehension and didn't get her character.
I'm always perplexed when some readers insist that Katniss has no romantic feelings for Peeta whatsoever. We're literally in her head, and every time she admits to being confused by the whole situation
I think Katniss was traumatized from basically birth and had a huge attachment wound from how cruel and unstable her life was towards people in Panem. You could describe her as having a dismissive avoidant attachment style, out of necessity for survival. Her experience of love and attachment is always going to be distorted through no fault of her own.
The sheer horror and depravity of the Capital when they created the distorted mutts in the fallen tributes' likenesses could never be captured in the same way. Still stung to see how little focus they had in the movie. Obviously for tension, Cato's revelation had the greater significance, that the system was far bigger than him and he'd either die here or be paraded around as a mentor, being forced to invest hope into tributes and careers, only to watch the carnage unfold from the other side of the screen. Still would've been nice to see their fur and hear Peeta ask if their eyes were real. Seeing the Game Makers summon them in the way they did just reduced them to an arbitrarily obstacle, rather than the book's twisted portrayal.
The environment they grew up in had a huge influence on Katniss suppressing her feelings. Not falling in love and reproducing was important to her, to not bring a child into their corrupt society. So I think Katniss always gave off mixed messages unintentionally, as a survival instinct, and obviously that would confuse Peeta who didn't have the same mindset (and already had a crush on her)
@hopemckinney944 girl I think i’ve re-obsessed with it since last year august and I am not kidding when I say that my wallpaper for my phone throughout fall was completely everlark/hunger games related and my watch wallpaper is literally everlark still plus I have a literal youtube playlist full of just THG/Everlark/Joshifer basically down to the tee I can’t 💀
I really like watching your videos, it gives a lot more insight to scenes where most viewers overlook, actively forgetting Katniss isn't necessarily the most reliable narrator. Wish these could be longer!
thank you! they're shorter videos since I primarily make them for tiktok, but definitely want to make longer ones specifically for youtube at some point!
That's part of why I resent the movies. I read the book first and I really liked how complex their relationship was and hated how the movie omitted so many important parts to better understand it, tho I do understand the time constraint, it still frustrated me so much!
Does Katniss genuinely love Peta? Yes! Did she just kill a bunch of people for the first time for the amusement of others and so she can live? Yes, it’s not that she does not love Peta, but you know there’s more immediate/deadly things going on. 😅
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Katniss' emotional dissonance and the time it takes for her to commit to loving Peeta is one of my favourite parts of the Hunger Games. Katniss is someone who, despite everything, loves so hard. She cares so much about people but she knows that will hurt her so she tells herself she doesn't. I don't think she was in love with Peeta for quite a while into the books but I do think she loved him as a kind boy who saved her and she didn't want to let die.
From Peeta's POV he's seeing the girl he loves risk everything for him time and time again the same way he has. He sees that love, he just misunderstands what it meant for them
Katniss refuses to believe her emotions, because capitol took away her choice. And she long decided to never marry and risk having children to send hunger games. Since she has to be with peeta now, she hates the situation.
This. There is a huge element of choice in love that is hugely under-represented in fictionalized romance. Of course there's a big element of attraction, and finding a person with whom you click in many ways, but there's also a moment where you decide this is it. And the freer you are to make a choice like that the stronger your ability to commit and to love. Her feelings for Peeta are so weighed down by Capitol bullshit that she can't do more than recognise him as a fellow victim and friend. On top of not wanting love in the first place. With Peeta she's not free to choose, even if her feelings are there. Peeta chose her the day he gave her bread. And the freedom to choose matters, especially to those who haven't had a lot of opportunity to control their lives.
To give a couple of real life personal examples close to my heart: My grandmother and my mother. My grandmother was raised very typically for her time with the expectation that she would be a housewife and mother in the future (if she could have chosen and could have gotten an education I'm pretty sure she would have wanted to be an engineer). She married my grandfather, a farmer, because he had shown he cared about her opinion more than other potential suitors. She wanted to marry (to leave her parents house), he was clearly better than the others, his voice made her shiver and she thought that was as close to love as she'd ever get. But the moment she committed to him in truth and really chose him in her heart was when a few weeks into their marriage, having realised that she had yet to leave their country house after all this time, he took her to the car showed her the basics of how to drive then handed her the keys and told her to "go". No other directive, just go do whatever, go to town, go to the sea, go crash the car, just don't feel like she was dependant on him if she wanted to do something. The way she talks about it he basically handed her the keys to freedom and the world became full of color starting with the sky blue jeep he wanted her to feel free to use. And that's when she knew she had chosen someone she would love all her life. She went, didn't crash the jeep and then returned to tell him about it, every day until he died. My mother was finishing her degree, she had a job lined up, some money saved up, for the first time in her life she felt as if she had full control over her time and life, and that gave her choices to do what she wanted beyond those things needed to live, and that was freedom. That's when she met my dad and decided she'd use that freedom to be with him. She will literally say "I felt free for the first time, and I gave that freedom to him because for the first time I could". Of all my friends I'm the only one whose parents never divorced. The freedom to make a conscious choice in love is hugely important.
Katniss could not allow herself to believe she actually liked peeta because it was forced upon her by the capital but she was still out there writing poetry about his eyelashes like?
People also consistently forget that uuum. Katniss is NOT a good actor. This was part of the reason Coin didn't want her as the face of the revolution (among other things lmao) and Peeta does see elements of this throughout the first novel, and is also just good at reading people. It makes sense he wouldn't think Katniss was acting completely and it doesn't make sense that readers would think Katniss was acting completely, because if she was it would have been really bad acting 😭
Thank you for reminding me why Katniss and Peeta are so much deeper than the movies portrayed. No matter how Gale felt towards Katniss, he could never understand the feeling of surviving in an arena as a spectacle, playing a part for that invisible, insatiable audience as a means of putting on a show to avoid any freak fires or muttation attacks, while grappling with genuine feelings of attatchment and being forced to question whether it was an extension of this necessary charade or not.
Also I love the pink and blue flannel teddies.
thank you! yes spot on about Gale not being able to understand the gravity of what Katniss went through
Not to forget also that Katniss couldn't possibly understand her feelings when she didnt even know she could trust Petaa's feelings. When he revealed his crush, she thought it was a tactic and was using her, those doubts follow her all the time, every the step of the way, and dealing with developing feelings and ACKNOWLEDGE THEM, when Petta was probably bluffing and playing the PR Game, it was too much to actually deal with. Also, I think that part of her hurt to think he was using her like that, that him of all people, the one who saved her, would "lie and use her like that"just pushed her feelings farther away. Not only she had to come to terms with her feelings throughout the whole series but she also had to find a way to trust Petaa's feelings for her. And that was the tricky part, as she trust no one, everyone (exceptfor Prim) had always let her down up to that point.
That's pary of why I loved the arc the author gave Petaa in Mockingbird, because she always doubtes Petaa's feelings, but when they were truly gone, she realized how much she actually relied and trsut him deep down, because he was so *consistent* about his feelings even through all her doubts, that when she lost that Petaa, she couldn't find comfort in nothing, since he was the only one she had always relied on to feel safe even from a far. Snow knew her weaknesses even better than all the people who thought had Katniss figured out, they bought the lie she told herself about not loving Petaa, so everyone thought she just played along but never had real feelings for him. Only Snow knew, he saw through Katniss like the child she was, inexperienced in the matters of the heart. Thats why he made sure to break him and take those memories from him, from them, making sure they would never be on the same length. He really knew Katniss, but he truly underestimate Petaa's love for Katniss.
Thank youuu great analysis! I hate when people act like katniss was just some manipulator who fakes everything, took advantage of him and didn’t really love him until catching fire. The same girl who had to feed her family as a preteen and could only think about life and death and survival was willing to throw her life away and die with peeta rather than just take the safe route and kill him ensuring her future with her family. Like thats so romantic to me, you don’t do that for a boy you’re just manipulating😭
thank you! ah that bothers me too! It seems like a lot of the people who have that low opinon of Katniss never actually read the books, just saw the movies
@@RachelARamrashonestly as someone who really only has memory of the movies, I never even saw her like that. Ik this term gets thrown around a lot but I think a lot of it is just people who don’t have much media literacy and/or people who were upset we had a girl for a main character 😂
@@RachelARamras I think it's also because most of us read the novels when we were teenagers or pre-teens, so we didn't understand a lot of the meanings and Katniss true character. I had just started to like reading and I had bad comprehension. Even now I'm not very critical about the media I consume, I enjoy it or simply I don't, so maybe Katniss wasn't too likeable but I liked the story so I didn't mind and I don't even remember if I liked her or not. I didn't understand like 80% of the books at that time. I constantly forgot and didn't fully comprehended Katniss was a kid, I didn't get that she was a unreliable narrator, I didn't see Gale's red flags and I actually was conflicted with the love triangle, and about the different opinions about war presented in the book. As an adult I can understand those as now I know better about literature, politics and psychology. Probably those people who doesn't like her are/were more critic about the characters but didn't know psychology or had bad reading comprehension and didn't get her character.
I'm always perplexed when some readers insist that Katniss has no romantic feelings for Peeta whatsoever. We're literally in her head, and every time she admits to being confused by the whole situation
I think Katniss was traumatized from basically birth and had a huge attachment wound from how cruel and unstable her life was towards people in Panem. You could describe her as having a dismissive avoidant attachment style, out of necessity for survival. Her experience of love and attachment is always going to be distorted through no fault of her own.
we were ROBBED of so many book scenes
The sheer horror and depravity of the Capital when they created the distorted mutts in the fallen tributes' likenesses could never be captured in the same way. Still stung to see how little focus they had in the movie. Obviously for tension, Cato's revelation had the greater significance, that the system was far bigger than him and he'd either die here or be paraded around as a mentor, being forced to invest hope into tributes and careers, only to watch the carnage unfold from the other side of the screen.
Still would've been nice to see their fur and hear Peeta ask if their eyes were real. Seeing the Game Makers summon them in the way they did just reduced them to an arbitrarily obstacle, rather than the book's twisted portrayal.
The environment they grew up in had a huge influence on Katniss suppressing her feelings. Not falling in love and reproducing was important to her, to not bring a child into their corrupt society. So I think Katniss always gave off mixed messages unintentionally, as a survival instinct, and obviously that would confuse Peeta who didn't have the same mindset (and already had a crush on her)
So it’s not just me who randomly became re-obsessed with this series this week ??
@hopemckinney944 girl I think i’ve re-obsessed with it since last year august and I am not kidding when I say that my wallpaper for my phone throughout fall was completely everlark/hunger games related and my watch wallpaper is literally everlark still plus I have a literal youtube playlist full of just THG/Everlark/Joshifer basically down to the tee I can’t 💀
I really like watching your videos, it gives a lot more insight to scenes where most viewers overlook, actively forgetting Katniss isn't necessarily the most reliable narrator. Wish these could be longer!
thank you! they're shorter videos since I primarily make them for tiktok, but definitely want to make longer ones specifically for youtube at some point!
@@RachelARamras @ You definitely should if you’re able. You’ve made me start rereading the series. For the thousandth time lol.
The movies did not capture the complexity of their relationship
That's part of why I resent the movies. I read the book first and I really liked how complex their relationship was and hated how the movie omitted so many important parts to better understand it, tho I do understand the time constraint, it still frustrated me so much!
They dropped the ball on so many scenes from the books.
I love all of your hunger games content❤.I wish all of the stuff in the book was in the movie😭
i hope one day they do a mini tv series adaptation! i think that medium would make a much closer adaptation
@@RachelARamras yess, why is the good stuff ALMOST always in the books, love you channel btw
100% agree with every word you said . yes
He didn’t believe she loved him for real. He loved her, and he didn’t mind it was fake. He just wanted to keep her safe.
i love the art at the beginning oml
Hi girlie, I'm really liking your analysis. I hope your channel continues to grow ^^
@@joanabarreto4189 thank you!
Love this so much! You got a new sub 🩷
yay ty! so happy you enjoyed the video!
I think that Katniss loves him in a platonic way. Similar to Rue.
they got married and had children???
i believe you missed the point
Does Katniss genuinely love Peta? Yes! Did she just kill a bunch of people for the first time for the amusement of others and so she can live? Yes, it’s not that she does not love Peta, but you know there’s more immediate/deadly things going on.
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exactly!!!!!