The Ancestors of Pokemon Legends Arceus

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  • Taking a look at the characters in PLA and who they relate to in modern day games
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  • @omega-kiba7188
    @omega-kiba7188 ปีที่แล้ว +14313

    Or…you know…Cogita and Volo are just family.

    • @Nasho3
      @Nasho3 ปีที่แล้ว +839

      It would be weird because volo doesn’t refer to cogita as a family member

    • @MyHeartIsOhMyGod
      @MyHeartIsOhMyGod ปีที่แล้ว +1687

      ​@phillipclearman859maybe they're just kinky 💀

    • @ScionStorm1
      @ScionStorm1 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @Phillip Clearman He's a bastard son -not allowed to refer to her as mother. >:P

    • @glitchking2801
      @glitchking2801 ปีที่แล้ว +959

      @@MyHeartIsOhMyGod they can also be just like really distant cousins or something

    • @jamhopsey
      @jamhopsey ปีที่แล้ว +741

      it’s suggested that there exists some “ancient sinnoh blood” or wtv some family bloodline that cogitas inherited and during the final fight volo questions whether he doesn’t also share that ancestry in his little “chosen one” delusion

  • @o-dreng8778
    @o-dreng8778 ปีที่แล้ว +13937

    Cynthia just dropped the biggest Paradox ever and no one talks shit about it

    • @Stevetstevets
      @Stevetstevets ปีที่แล้ว +100

      Meanwhile idw shockwave

    • @mesmorrow
      @mesmorrow ปีที่แล้ว +242

      Because Game Freak writes lore like they are in third grade.

    • @number3766
      @number3766 ปีที่แล้ว +176

      BS.
      Cynthia would have figured out how to save the world long before we came along.
      Hell, she'd probably have fixed then issue to begin with.

    • @Derevocsidi
      @Derevocsidi ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@mesmorrow coz they made the game for kids lmao.

    • @marchadow3957
      @marchadow3957 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      ​@@Derevocsidi is this a joke?

  • @PyroGothNerd
    @PyroGothNerd ปีที่แล้ว +2236

    News flash: People have more than one ancestor.

    • @scotandiamapping4549
      @scotandiamapping4549 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Beat me to it

    • @emperorxander666
      @emperorxander666 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

      newsflash people NEED more than one ancestor

    • @olgierdvoneverec4135
      @olgierdvoneverec4135 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      News flash: ancestors can also have plenty of descendants that look nothing like them.

    • @DieGurke_
      @DieGurke_ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@emperorxander666Even the Habsburg needed 2

    • @velvet4088
      @velvet4088 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      👏👏👏🥹🥹🥹Discovery of the century

  • @Nyaiv
    @Nyaiv ปีที่แล้ว +409

    There's a trainer with a Lucario named Rye, who you have to battle as part of a quest. Pretty sure he's supposed to be Riley from diamond and pearls ancestor, has the same hair and everything.

    • @Diabolos1007
      @Diabolos1007 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yep they are in fact relatives

    • @darkflame1.067
      @darkflame1.067 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah fr, he also talks about aura and says that you have also done aura.

    • @coyolord8031
      @coyolord8031 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah. I was disappointed when after you beat his ass he doesn't give you a riolu egg :(

  • @pentagonyx
    @pentagonyx ปีที่แล้ว +4608

    The fact that Wally descended from a line of fucking ninjas is crazy

    • @WuilliamA
      @WuilliamA ปีที่แล้ว +473

      Wally, in the Pokémon manga, have a Ninja phase

    • @amaterasumaster8781
      @amaterasumaster8781 ปีที่แล้ว +264

      ​@@WuilliamA that makes him much more lovable than he already was imo

    • @SockMan1.0
      @SockMan1.0 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Isn’t it hinted Wally dies after ORAS?

    • @SockMan1.0
      @SockMan1.0 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      I mean the flowers at his last fight are named after final goodbyes or death

    • @slimewizard7350
      @slimewizard7350 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      Gen 10, wally gym leader, badass fighting type ninja, gallade ace, MAKE IT HAPPEN GAMEFREAK

  • @chrishuynh_0043
    @chrishuynh_0043 ปีที่แล้ว +2067

    I mean Cynthia's grandmother is the lorekeeper in Gen 4... which Cogita serves the same purpose. I don't see why she couldn't be say, the grandmother of Volo.

    • @romantheblack-cat
      @romantheblack-cat ปีที่แล้ว +220

      I just straight up thought she was volos gramdma

    • @edra2005
      @edra2005 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Or his wife

    • @ramaroy2408
      @ramaroy2408 ปีที่แล้ว +173

      ​@@edra2005 she is way too old lol. And in the game it was implied that cogita raise volo

    • @PaletteMorning
      @PaletteMorning ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Actually yeah now that I think about it why didn't I assume that too as well lmao

    • @lAlwaysHopel
      @lAlwaysHopel ปีที่แล้ว +78

      @@ramaroy2408 That make sense, also the hidden notes seems to imply that Cogita is immortal. Her being Cynthia “grandmother” is something that wouldn’t surprise me.

  • @evanc1480
    @evanc1480 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    The ancient poem is implied to be written by Cogita. And the poem talked about the aiding the ancient hero and losing friends to the passage of time. So Cogita might be immortal and ancestor of Volo and Cynthia

  • @cristycantoy1753
    @cristycantoy1753 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    "They sent her back since she gave Sinnoh permanent Trauma 💀"

  • @megascrafty1624
    @megascrafty1624 ปีที่แล้ว +2265

    Never forget ingo. Teleported away from his train homie to the past

    • @garrettlewis8450
      @garrettlewis8450 ปีที่แล้ว +162

      Nah not homie literal brother

    • @jet_set8648
      @jet_set8648 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      @@garrettlewis8450 both

    • @toonacyedits8521
      @toonacyedits8521 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      Yeah but Ingo doesn’t have a descendant in the series, Ingo here and Ingo in previous gens are just the same dude displaced in time

    • @pedromatos1235
      @pedromatos1235 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@toonacyedits8521but at least it’s canon

    • @TheOctoJules
      @TheOctoJules 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      If he’s not in the Indigo Disk I’m gonna be super mad

  • @Botan_Katou
    @Botan_Katou ปีที่แล้ว +2560

    I thought the most popular theory was that Volo is a farther ancestor of BOTH Cynthia and Cogito. Since the way he dresses for the final battle and the way he talked sometimes made him seem like he traveled FORWARD in time, unlike the player who gets sent back in time.

    • @sarcasm-aplenty
      @sarcasm-aplenty ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Yooo i just commented nearly the same thing before reading this comment. Same brain cell!!

    • @Delmont_The_Delusional
      @Delmont_The_Delusional ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ​@@charnalk5572 celetican or celestial?

    • @longbeing
      @longbeing ปีที่แล้ว +108

      Nah he just spent a little too much time alone with his history books. He reminds me of those guys who get weirdly nationalist for a past version of their nation. The type who think everything would be fixed if they had an absolute monarchy again or Prussia still existed or whatever.

    • @JustAGirlOnline
      @JustAGirlOnline ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I was thinking maybe more like Volo is from the future. Kinda like it's implied Sabi is from the future (similar to how Ingo was send from the present to the past, Volo seeks out going to the past from the future, and Sabi ends up in the past similarly to how Ingo does, but is from the future instead of from the present.)

    • @toolatetothestory
      @toolatetothestory ปีที่แล้ว +19

      ​@@longbeing Yeah, I think so too. After all, HE was the one who caused the tome rift to begin with. How would he have traveled into the time where he had caused it to begin with before causing it
      God I hate time travel xD Its always so complicated

  • @beaksters
    @beaksters 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    “Let’s skip the simple ones” Proceeds to go over all the simple ones.

    • @Goose-Verse
      @Goose-Verse 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He meant that he'd just say them without explanation

  • @ASwallie65
    @ASwallie65 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    ... I think the more obvious and intended conclusion is that Cynthia has two ancestors in this game

  • @Derevocsidi
    @Derevocsidi ปีที่แล้ว +5820

    i thought that Cogita Married Volo. I mean Cynthia got face from Cogita and yellow hair from Volo.

    • @8bitmoe
      @8bitmoe  ปีที่แล้ว +1387

      Yeah that’s a good one too actually, I hope we learn more about her cause I find her to be the most interesting character in the game

    • @Slymation
      @Slymation ปีที่แล้ว +400

      Wdym Volo already has the same face as here and cogita and volo look way too similar not to be related

    • @schnitzelmike727
      @schnitzelmike727 ปีที่แล้ว +322

      In the words of prozd: "oh they fockin"

    • @Derevocsidi
      @Derevocsidi ปีที่แล้ว +65

      @@Slymation Maybe they married.

    • @decayingfairy3996
      @decayingfairy3996 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      We see so much more of Cynthia’s family than any other character lmao

  • @jorgelazaro6833
    @jorgelazaro6833 ปีที่แล้ว +635

    When Beni removed his headwear, he has Wally’s exact hair

    • @hellhound01
      @hellhound01 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      But being a chef makes it look like cilan

    • @jorgelazaro6833
      @jorgelazaro6833 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@hellhound01 while that is a massive stretch, who’s to say Wally and Cilan aren’t related?

    • @ohdang3833
      @ohdang3833 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@jorgelazaro6833 Me

    • @michaelklassen777
      @michaelklassen777 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      When does he remove his headwear?

    • @Moald
      @Moald 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@@michaelklassen777When you fight him at Mount Coronet

  • @ugn154
    @ugn154 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    When a character is so loved by not only the company but the fan base as well that she gets two past representations.
    One is the intimidating trainer you have to face at the end, the other is the really helpful, insightful, yet mysterious character.
    Both Cynthia, love it.

  • @Doxiy
    @Doxiy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Adaman has a descendant called perrin.

  • @dnd1016
    @dnd1016 ปีที่แล้ว +660

    Plot twist: Cogita is Cynthia’s Ancestor while Volo is actually Lusamine’s.

    • @kamen_rider1752
      @kamen_rider1752 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Makes sense

    • @yamadawaver9317
      @yamadawaver9317 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Ah surely

    • @codyleroy7
      @codyleroy7 ปีที่แล้ว +80

      What would make more sense is Volo is a cousin or nephew to cogita while also being Lusamine’s ancestor.

    • @KuragariYamishiro
      @KuragariYamishiro ปีที่แล้ว +56

      That means lusamine and Cynthia are distant relatives

    • @that_kid_nobody_notices
      @that_kid_nobody_notices ปีที่แล้ว +58

      That would explain the obsessive personalities for both Volo and Lusamine. Beings from other dimensions (giratina/maybe arceus, and the ultra beasts respectively).

  • @SKROGY
    @SKROGY ปีที่แล้ว +909

    Dialga: *The literal god of time*
    Theorists: We don’t know what being could’ve sent Cynthia back in time

    • @gustavju4686
      @gustavju4686 ปีที่แล้ว +133

      I mean, it was Arceus who sent back the player. And Celebi temporarily sent back the player of HG/SS to see the Giovanni say bye to Silver and battle him.

    • @Missingno_Miner
      @Missingno_Miner ปีที่แล้ว +54

      I mean, Arceus was the one to send the player back, while Ingo's amnesia matches with most Fallers, so he may have arrived via Ultra Wormhole.

    •  ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Better question is 'why'.

    • @connortg5
      @connortg5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@Missingno_Miner ingo fell from the rift in the sky, I very clearly remember them stating that and comparing it to how you fell from the rift as well, he likely wasn’t sent by arceus tho and was rather caught in a random distortion because we supposedly keep our memories while he didnt

    • @Missingno_Miner
      @Missingno_Miner ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@connortg5 No, the player fell from the rift, and they're specifically differentiated from Ingo in that respect. When he first shows up, he refers to the player as the person who came from the sky, and the game continues with this, explictly stating, several times, that Ingo did not fall from the sky, but rather just appeared. Ingo himself states that he was "still standing in bafflement" when the Pearl Clan found him, showing he arrived standing up rather than dropping from somewhere, and he tells Volo he has "no cause" to believe the rift had anything to do with his arrival in Hisui or the loss of his memory.

  • @marlo9512
    @marlo9512 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Another theory I saw is that Volo is actually Cogita's ancestor sent to the "future" to Hisui. Some hints are how he's the only one that know of Giratina and Arceus, and his original clothing being a lot more "ancient" looking.

  • @Imperfectcell13
    @Imperfectcell13 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Sabi being the shared ancestor of Cheryl and Hapu is pretty interesting

  • @longbeing
    @longbeing ปีที่แล้ว +277

    They’re definitely just related. I assume Volo is either the “black sheep” of the family or they’re from different sides of the family who don’t get along well.

  • @SirPanikalot778
    @SirPanikalot778 ปีที่แล้ว +300

    Also, because of beni's battle just before the legendary encounter, we now know that wally is from a line of ninjas.

    • @gabi4845
      @gabi4845 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      See the ninja stuff is why I thought he was related to Aaron in some way? Maybe he’s also a distant relative of Wally..

    • @Solaceon
      @Solaceon ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@gabi4845 that's the impression I got too.

    • @johnnyp1986
      @johnnyp1986 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I thought maybe he could also be the ancestor of the Shadow Triad from Gen 5. His battle animation where he does a flip looks very similar to the battle animation given to the shadow triad when fought it B2W2.

    • @senny-
      @senny- 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@gabi4845holy shit i never noticed how similar they looked until now

  • @cupofjoe1785
    @cupofjoe1785 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I like how us Pokémon fans talk about a game before it comes out like “noooo you can’t make the trees look slightly bad,” and then when the game comes out we’re like “you see, he’s his ancestor because they share the sitting gene”

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I keep seeing that example but Ginter has Volkner's exact face

  • @indy63_24
    @indy63_24 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm yet to see someone talking about Taohua being Director Clavel's relative. A pretty cool Easter Egg placed to tease their next game

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That would mean Clavell and Charon are related and that's hilarious

  • @angriestjoker
    @angriestjoker ปีที่แล้ว +85

    I always assumed Cogita and Volo came from a long gone tribe of ancestors that all looked like Cynthia

    • @safehouse432
      @safehouse432 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Ahh yes the Cynthia tribe they worshipped pianos hence their theme song.

    • @lAlwaysHopel
      @lAlwaysHopel ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Well it seems both are the only one left from the Sinnoh People bloodline, so that is possible.

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's what I figured too

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@lAlwaysHopelThe game seems to imply that the others fled to Sinjoh. Also, there had to be others around to be Volo's parents

  • @enzopereira2606
    @enzopereira2606 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    I always assumed volo was related to cogita, like a son, grandson or nephew, since he says that he has the blood of the ancient sinnoh people, of which cogita is the last "pure blooded" and the old verses imply that she has lived for hundreds of years (plus the fact that she allows you to have enamorus, her partner pokemon, knowing that once you die of old age, enamorus will return to her side)

    • @corruptcamerupt2344
      @corruptcamerupt2344 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      That makes me wonder if she becomes Cynthia in the future, cause if she’s basically immortal what’s to say she didn’t change her identity to fit better in modern times.

    • @omarpride3021
      @omarpride3021 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That would be so cool and I like this

    • @mlpfanboy1701
      @mlpfanboy1701 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Too bad for her enamorous was sent to the far future.

    • @Extremelybraindeadhumanbeing
      @Extremelybraindeadhumanbeing 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Enamorous traveling through space and time (some dumbass transfered them into a new game) (im the dumbass)

  • @noplayJ
    @noplayJ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    One that you missed was Karen for that one side quest about the lady too scared too sleep because of a pikachu

  • @thebestgreattusk1996
    @thebestgreattusk1996 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like how most good modern characters have bad past counterparts and vice versa

  • @ampharosfan75
    @ampharosfan75 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Another thing that linked Beni and Wally is that Beni mentioned that he wanted to go somewhere with a Warmer Climate. For example: Hoenn

  • @funnyskull14
    @funnyskull14 ปีที่แล้ว +247

    We need a legends game for Unova just inagine seeing Zekrom, Reshiram and Kyurem still fused together and then the final battle is them and once you beat it they get split

    • @Langodan
      @Langodan ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Id love to go back to unova like this

    • @momorose3211
      @momorose3211 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      It would help explain the disappearance of Blair/Hilbert/Emile and Whitlea/Hilda from Pokémon Black 2 and White 2

    • @Reshiram321
      @Reshiram321 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      hi

    • @AznYunHou
      @AznYunHou ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@momorose3211 yeah, they could be the character sent back in time by a higher power

    • @mercenaryelite
      @mercenaryelite ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Pokemon Legends: Kyurem

  • @shelliblossom8953
    @shelliblossom8953 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The nurse in the main building looks like a mix between that psychic girl with the spoon hair and nurse joy

  • @maximumbeans9310
    @maximumbeans9310 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    One that I haven’t seen mentioned is that Arezu is basically Mars from Team Galactic.

    • @shadeaubetoile9799
      @shadeaubetoile9799 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's even funnier for me, cause the french version of the game went ahead and legit called her "Marcia" (pronounced like 'Mars+Sia')

  • @brianlisk9326
    @brianlisk9326 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    The gang of thieves are the ancestors of Saturn, Candace, and Bertha

    • @Makitru
      @Makitru ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Charm’s an ancestor of Bertha and Agatha
      Clover’s an ancestor of Candice
      Coin’s an ancestor of Saturn

    • @alchemist2461
      @alchemist2461 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Who's Candice?

    • @blaketourdner8992
      @blaketourdner8992 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alchemist2461 Candice dick fit in yo mouth
      But I’m all seriousness She’s the Seventh gym leader in the Sinnoh games

    • @0_lunarmoth_0
      @0_lunarmoth_0 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Who's Candice (chain plss)

    • @pg13snipez
      @pg13snipez ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@0_lunarmoth_0 Deez-

  • @aringrey
    @aringrey ปีที่แล้ว +30

    imagine having more than one ancestor. Couldn't be me

    • @lilpetz500
      @lilpetz500 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agametic gang rise up!

  • @jacobkirk1846
    @jacobkirk1846 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Well actually Volo talks about waiting centuries to meet Arceus, so it’s obvious that there’s some time paradox shenanigans happening with him. So I’d say that Cogita is Cynthia’s distant relative from this era, then Volo is maybe her distant relative traveled from the past.
    Edit: that could also be why there’s never any mention of a family relationship between the two. She would likely not know who Volo is with him being a distant relative traveled from the past, and he likely wouldn’t want to tell her out of fear that it may out his plan.

    • @ItsFireTiger
      @ItsFireTiger 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I thought the dialogue was that he'd see Arceus even if it takes centuries

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He also may have access to the Distortion World, or simply know how Cogita got so long lived (she's implied to be the one who wrote the Old Verses)

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Cogita wrote the Old Verses, she's just as old as Volo

  • @luvsparkzz
    @luvsparkzz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I actually like to think Cogita is just Volo’s grandma

  • @WayToDawn72
    @WayToDawn72 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    I just assumed Cogita was related to Volo, like a great aunt or cousin twice removed

    • @lowtier369
      @lowtier369 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's what I thought too lmao they were both pretty mysterious and felt like they had a history

    • @dhanushs.s2093
      @dhanushs.s2093 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Atleast someone has some braincells💀💀.......

    • @Charara999
      @Charara999 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I thought that as well. Like Cogita is his grandma's sister or something, but treats him like the child who asks too many questions. Maybe she even raised him.

    • @lilpetz500
      @lilpetz500 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      She seems like a relative who would invite herself to Cynthia's family reunions and no one knows exactly how she's related but she's obviously related somehow in resemblance and very polite so she can stay.
      Volo would be the relative that they do know, but is on thin ice to being kicked out if he goes on about his arceus conspiracy one more time

    • @7swordquanta459
      @7swordquanta459 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This makes way more sense honestly. However, when I played PLA again, I somehow noticed how Cogita's dialogue makes her seem like someone coming from the future. It's a bit of a stretch I know but that's what I noticed.

  • @CyberDrewan
    @CyberDrewan ปีที่แล้ว +216

    Personally, I think Cogita and Volo are the other way around: Cogita is Cynthia’s ancestor from this time, while Volo is from another time. I’ve heard the theory that Volo, given his Greek-inspired clothes, is actually Cynthia’s ancestor from further in the past (like, from Antiquity). This also aligns with their mannerisms: Cogita is suspicious of Volo, specifically claiming that he acts differently from other people in Hisui, which would be weird to do if you yourself were trying to hide that you didn’t belong in this time period.

    • @chaosstripe9446
      @chaosstripe9446 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Also Volo is a worshipper of Giratina, who's been erased from history at the time of Hisui. AKA Volo was around before Giratina was forgotten and was the one who previously broke through time and space, causing The Darkest Day when he jumped forward with Giratina to escape prosecution by Arceus, Dialga, and Palkia.

    • @amithist4455
      @amithist4455 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      But then the question is, what Pokémon sent him forwards in time? Why would Dialga, Arceus or Celebi want to send him back given his intentions?

    • @lilpetz500
      @lilpetz500 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I would like that idea, but he does express being angered at the fact that you get to be more of a chosen one than him by falling from the sky, and doesn't seem to have a cool origin story to bring up in comparison besides simply being a Hisui era traveller with a bit too much knowledge. I think that maybe he has that outfit as a historic re-enactment he made maybe, since he is kind of fanatical about pleasing arceus and that may have been a historic era where people were more connected (right down to his silly hairstyle to try mimic them)

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@chaosstripe9446Darkest Day had nothing to do with Giratina

    • @shadeaubetoile9799
      @shadeaubetoile9799 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      This actually could explain why he knows more about the creation trio than the clans who are litteraly worshiping them

  • @hysloth3137
    @hysloth3137 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Volo is cogita's ancestor since he was from the distant past

  • @bricky7081
    @bricky7081 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Aint no way Volo isnt Cynthia's ancestor with that connection to Giratina & the big dramatic ass piano flaring up at the beginning of his battle

  • @confusedjello7292
    @confusedjello7292 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    i love how nobody has even considered the possibility of having two relatives

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I did I ship Volo and Cogita

  • @crystalwolf4525
    @crystalwolf4525 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I would think it was just Cynthia has both Cogita and Volo for ancestors

  • @dead_byte
    @dead_byte 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Obviously, the most logical explanation is that Cogita saw how ✨extra✨Volo was, and immediately thought “I can fix him”

  • @fireblade-cp8uw
    @fireblade-cp8uw ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Reverse flash: "IT WAS ME BARRY. I SENT CYNTHIA BACK IN TIME JUST BEFORE YOU COULD CHALLENGE HER. SO YOU CAN NEVER HAVE THE SATISFACTION OF BEATING HER"

  • @metagross6897
    @metagross6897 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    "Let's skip the obvious ones"
    Proceeds to put dawn

    • @aqilshadow5451
      @aqilshadow5451 ปีที่แล้ว

      What

    • @metagross6897
      @metagross6897 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@aqilshadow5451 Dawn's ancestor was obvious to know

    • @aqilshadow5451
      @aqilshadow5451 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@metagross6897 You worded it like it was hard to know

  • @dustindean4618
    @dustindean4618 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This game also proves that Agatha and Bertha are related lol

  • @FireflyJuu
    @FireflyJuu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you talk to Beni after you finish the game he says Hisui is too cold for him and he's looking to settle somewhere warmer

  • @KeizerSosebee
    @KeizerSosebee ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love how cogito ergo sum is "I think, therefore I am" while Volo ergo sum "is I desire, therefore I am." and if we were to make a stretch Sentio (like cynthia) ergo sum is "I feel, therefore I am"

  • @CaptainHarukaDani
    @CaptainHarukaDani ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I can confirm that i got thrown into Hisui and changed my outfit by thoughts of someone recognizing me and everyone in the entire region would ask for their photographs. Life of a champion is hard guys.

    • @pg13snipez
      @pg13snipez ปีที่แล้ว

      Good thing genetics dont exist yet, but do you and volo have a relationship at all, or does he even know you?

    • @CaptainHarukaDani
      @CaptainHarukaDani ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pg13snipez He knows me but we're not in a relationship.

  • @334yopf
    @334yopf ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I fully believe that the guy from the Electrode trial is an ancestor of James.

    • @agent8370
      @agent8370 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      oddly enough, all the theories of I've heard for who melli is related to, no one went to James, which honestly seems most accurate out of all of them. The only question being whether or not the games and anime exist in the same universe.

    • @chaosstripe9446
      @chaosstripe9446 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This, 1000%

    • @honeyslime7178
      @honeyslime7178 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@agent8370 We don't need to ask that question since we have multiple games with James in them.

    • @FrostGlader
      @FrostGlader 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      IMO, it’s Penny from SV.
      A lot of the known ancestors in PLA have vastly different personalities to their modern counterparts, and beyond that often share physical features. Melli shares similar facial features and has a similar hair colour to Penny (ignoring the obvious Red part that Penny likely dyed).

    • @jayjonesrgaming
      @jayjonesrgaming 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Always thought Toa Hua is Wikstroms ancestor, same eyebrows and mouth shape. And pretty sure Tsumugi, the guard that stands by the item storage box in Jubilife, is Jupiter’s ancestor

  • @Blakmage3
    @Blakmage3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The man you approach to grow berries, crops and mints etc has the same colourings and headband that Gardenia has (grass gym leader).

  • @Dvstyfishh
    @Dvstyfishh ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Coin and Saturn are obvious, but I could also see Coin being Grimsley's ancestor as well, giving her general personality and voicelines being similar to Grimsley's

  • @royalevans9671
    @royalevans9671 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    “Are there any I missed” me being like there’s dozens😂

  • @maracabo1176
    @maracabo1176 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    GILF CYNTHIA LETS GOOOOOOO

  • @Garde_Mystik
    @Garde_Mystik 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Honestly it's Volo. Volo is the time traveler and Cogita's ancestor. He wore ancient Greek god clothing, knew things only someone who lived in the past would know, and had access to time travel himself via Giratina ripping space time.

  • @newbarkgal19
    @newbarkgal19 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought that Cogita was Volo's Descendant of sorts, because the popular theory I've heard is that Volo is from even FURTHER in the past

  • @kartikalmighty
    @kartikalmighty ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The farmer guy who harvests stuff for you if you ask him too has the same haircut as Gardenia, so they might be related

  • @RedTHedge
    @RedTHedge ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Clearly, they're both Cynthia's ancestors

    • @dennysoto1236
      @dennysoto1236 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No. People can only have 1 ancestor. Obviously Volo will eventually split into 2 slightly different versions of himself via mitosis and Cogita will be revealed to be a time-traveling Ditto that saw Cynthia and decided to impersonate her in the distant past 😂

  • @Hozagen
    @Hozagen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It makes more sense that Volo is a time traveler from the past of a more ancient civilization and Cogita is a descendant of him or of his people

  • @giboit.
    @giboit. ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The old verses from pokemon legends arceus and the dialogues in the game imply that Cogita (and Volo) are both humans that were blessed/cursed by Arceus and became inmortals.
    Also, due to Volo's craziness, his use of pokemon from a different dimension and his blonde hair I'd argue that Volo may be Lusamine's ancestor and with Cogita being Cynthia's ancestor.
    Immortality being indirectly present in Lusamine's genes would explain why she looks so young despite being over 40 years old.

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There's no such implication with Volo though.

    • @giboit.
      @giboit. 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@BJGvideos
      “Once there were two. And one looked upon time’s steady pace. And one looked upon the expanse of space. And the two set out: the fullness of future did they seek, the world’s far end would they greet. Two different paths- each walking alone a path their own, though they walk with almighty Sinnoh.”

  • @aaronwishard7093
    @aaronwishard7093 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The easier, but also just as much theory, answer to Cogita and Volo is that they're both ancestors of Cynthia.
    Meaning that, even if they don't marry, or anything like that. It's the same way that you probably know two ancestors from a few hundred years ago, even if you don't by name, who have nothing to do with one another but you could pinpoint them within a few square miles of one another.

  • @kingdomofnerdz1497
    @kingdomofnerdz1497 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Clover (one of the Miss Fortune sisters) looks a lot like Candice, the Ice type gym leader in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. And Arezu (the woman who opens a hair salon later in the game) resembles Commander Mars of Team Galactic.

  • @Kumahachi8
    @Kumahachi8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s implied that Cogita wrote the Old Verse, though, so it’s possible that she’s an older relative, or even an ancestor, of Volo. In the Old Verse, it states that the author will “spend an eternity” in Hisui for the player to arrive, and other parts of the Old Verse seem to imply that, when they say “eternity,” they mean it quite literally, so the implication is that Cogita is very, very old and that something has extended her lifespan.

  • @Monkey80939
    @Monkey80939 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Theres no way, dog you have to have 2 ancestors per layer of a family tree, we gunna neglect the idea that those 2 are gunna make Cynthia’s family line

  • @xenstarboy
    @xenstarboy ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just think they wanted Cynthia's ancestor to be the final trainer boss like she is in the diamond and pearl games but in the story it worked out as that also making Volo the villain, which was incredibly well written don't get me wrong, but Cogita is there to be more of a one to one with Cynthia personality wise which is shown nicely through her design. I think they decided to give her two ancestors not because of any paradoxes or hidden story, but because that's what worked best for such an important and well loved character. Cynthia's ancestor had to be important to the game and its story but also still be like Cynthia, so to counter balance Cynthia not being completely nuts like Volo is, the older ancestor Cogita who shares a lot of the calmer and graceful attributes with Cynthia was sort of needed, and it works quite nicely with her being a keeper of old legends and stories, really shows where Cynthia got her affinity and love for it. Volo does aswell, to a much more obsessive extent, but its clear that he got it from Cogita who he's probably related to.

  • @Luke0193
    @Luke0193 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm so glad I never have to open PLA ever again. The immense rage this game has filled me with

  • @gardenshedd
    @gardenshedd 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cogita is just helping us stop her obsessive nephew no worries

  • @booyaboibob
    @booyaboibob ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Na they smashed. And I'm not talking about Pokemon battles. 🙌

    • @epRivera
      @epRivera ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Volo used Rock Smash!

    • @primrose6794
      @primrose6794 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's super effective!

  • @HolyCanolei
    @HolyCanolei ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Y’all be acting like people can’t have multiple ancestors alive at the same time.

  • @artisticsmeargel4019
    @artisticsmeargel4019 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cogita is Cynthia’s great grandma because in the dp and plat and bdsp Cynthia‘s grandmother says that her mother met the spirits and cogita does confirm she has a daughter

  • @MarcBrightside
    @MarcBrightside ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Come on, guys. We all know Cogita and Volo are banging.

  • @Fr1endly7
    @Fr1endly7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    One thing I want to point out is that Zisu has the same starting battle animation as Hop.

    • @Solaceon
      @Solaceon ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great, now I'm not gonna be able to unsee that.

    • @gustavju4686
      @gustavju4686 ปีที่แล้ว

      Zizu x Laventon?

  • @emmett2981
    @emmett2981 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    this is why we need a dlc for pla 🙃

    • @kirby69813
      @kirby69813 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Pokémon Legends: Victini

  • @Chaîne_Française
    @Chaîne_Française 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My theory is that Cogita is Cynthia’s current ancestor, and Volo is Cynthia’s ancestor from even longer time ago than PLA. It is hinted at in Volo’s dialogue during the final fight

  • @oburci9596
    @oburci9596 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Lets skip the obvious ones"
    *starts with Akari and Dawn*

  • @vgrundt
    @vgrundt ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Volo and Cogita could be related in some way. Volo could be the abandoned son of Cogita

  • @Moonkat358
    @Moonkat358 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I think Lavender is Jacq's ancestor, they look pretty similar. ALSO, Jacq in one point of the gane says that in his times the Pokedex was written with hand and feather and it was only a simple notebook. They are both professors and wear glasses and a purple tunic. Coincidence?

    • @AznYunHou
      @AznYunHou ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I think it was already theorized for Laventon to be Leon and Hop's ancestor. Cause the Indian background that can be associated with the characters. And Laventon having the Raichu Indian elephant entry retconned to Copperajah from his homeland. Since Copperajah is from an Indian inspired region.

    • @CaptainObliviousV
      @CaptainObliviousV ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It was actually Clavell that mentioned filling out the dex with pen & paper, not Jacq. I’ve actually seen connections made to Laventon being Hop & Leon’s ancestor while Jacq is a descendant of Adaman (though the ladder is very loose)

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@AznYunHouAren't Leon and Hop black rather than Indian? Not that there aren't black Indians of course but you know how this game goes.

  • @BJB1610
    @BJB1610 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Volo is from earlier In time and is a time traveler himself. Cogita and Volo are both ancestors of Cynthia. Just from different times and why he found Cogita in the first place.

  • @ryancooper780
    @ryancooper780 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To this day Cynthia's team has got to be one of the most well balanced teams I've ever seen. Her Pokemon compliment each other so much.

  • @hiroshotreplica
    @hiroshotreplica ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I always thought cogita was apart of volo's family somehow. Perhaps volo being a false ancestor of sorts, with cynthia actually being cogita's direct descendant. Idk though, i didnt really think about it

  • @sarcasm-aplenty
    @sarcasm-aplenty ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Volo is from even further back in time based on his outfit. He hangs around Cogita because he is Her ancestor and Cogita is Cynthia's. At least that's my theory.

    • @Nasho3
      @Nasho3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Volo wears his outfit because he is a merchant

    • @eliotrumbleny7280
      @eliotrumbleny7280 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@DrJazzyBonespHd he is dressed like Arceus

  • @enaxie
    @enaxie 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Volo is a time traveler from the past rather than the future. This is why, although volo and cogita are related, neither characters know this.

  • @xSharpW
    @xSharpW 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Such a cool thing that Legends did that isn't talked about enough...Wally is the descendant of a god damn Ninja...like come on man that's amazing.

  • @chiepog6215
    @chiepog6215 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I actually like the idea of Volo being Lusamine relative as you look more into his personality and choices of clothes it alot like Lusamine and Cogita being more like Cynthia. So maybe Volo leaves for Alola? We don't ever see him again so that could be that Volo is Lusamine ancestor and Cogita is Cynthia Ancestor.

    • @shadeaubetoile9799
      @shadeaubetoile9799 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I mean, Considering some people is Arceus are ancestraux to unova characters, it's not that wild to imagine one of them reaching Alola

  • @StevenMcSteve
    @StevenMcSteve ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Isn't cogita just volos grandma or something? I swear that was mentioned somewhere

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They're never even implied to be related

    • @StevenMcSteve
      @StevenMcSteve 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BJGvideos they both look like each other and that's basically enough evidence in legends arceus if we're gonna believe some of the other ones here

  • @luxyphr1335
    @luxyphr1335 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Irida and May is my headcanon. Their hair and style is similar and grey eyes (May) are just blue eyes (Irida) with even less melanin and can be a possibility down the family tree line in terms of genes. Now thanks to the Scarlet and Violet dlc released Adaman and Perrin are pretty obvious too

  • @gameb9oy
    @gameb9oy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think Cogita actually implies that despite the resemblance, Cynthia might not be directly related to either Cogita or Volo. The three actually all resemble the lake trio, with Cynthia being mesprit, Cogita Uxie, and Volo finally with Azelf.

  • @cy-bernet-ix
    @cy-bernet-ix ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i think volo is from a time before cogita, being *her* ancestor, but travelling *forward* in time while he was young to meet her when she was older.

  • @krishnagupta8503
    @krishnagupta8503 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I mean both Volo and Cogita are extremely pretty and charming individuals
    Wouldn't be shock if they
    You know
    Had that

  • @AndGoatz04
    @AndGoatz04 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wally.
    *that damn kid got potential, i tell ya that much...*

  • @fox_sox
    @fox_sox ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Well, they could both be related to her. Both just have to have kids separately and then those kids could get together which could lead to Cynthia. It’s in the past so there’s gotta be a few more generations between Cynthia and the two.
    Or alternatively, they just get together themselves. Not impossible.

  • @Solaceon
    @Solaceon ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Okay, maybe I'm nuts but Volo being an ancestor of Cynthia was not immediately obvious to me. I saw the name and the color of the hair and was like "guess that's Volkner?" and didn't think about it again. Man was I surprised when he stomped my ass with Cynthia's team!
    Edit: I think both Cogita and Volo are Cynthia's ancestors. In her bloodline's past there were powerful and fascinating people. It makes sense she'd obsess over history and wanting to know more-real life people do the same with genealogy.

  • @danielmota3228
    @danielmota3228 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The music in the video hooked me in one second. Man, this is the best pokémon game ever

  • @ghost.woolo0
    @ghost.woolo0 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Volo and Cogita are actually from the same bloodline, so it would mean that Cogita is also an ancestor to Cynthia. With the Diamond and Pearl Clans colonizing the Celestica bloodline in the past, Cogita and Volo are the last of them.
    Cogita and Volo are definitely family so that means Cogita is also an ancestor to Cynthia.

    • @lAlwaysHopel
      @lAlwaysHopel ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bingo! Also add in the hidden notes which implies that Cogita is immortal. She already knew the player purpose and knew her duties to fulfill, she already had witnessed a similar event before. If anything Volo is a descendant of Cogita.

  • @jonarhax3388
    @jonarhax3388 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My theory is volo was sent to the future a while ago, so he's actually from the pokemon version of greek mythology and sent to hisui, so while cogita is the "modern ancestor" of Cynthia, Volo essentially is cogita's ancestor too. The whole thing about sinnoh blood and volo not having it is this sinnoh blood happened after his time (greece) when one of volo's descendants got with someone that began the bloodline

  • @teamdizy660
    @teamdizy660 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve seen Volo is from the past, hence his more ancient attire at the end of the game, and he’s an ancestor of Cogita. So they’re both ancestors of Cynthia. That’s a theory I like to believe

  • @dangreen6901
    @dangreen6901 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Volo is Cogita's ancestor.... it was explained in the game that Volo was from the time of the original hero that brought the original noble pokemon together

  • @anjealousanaconda9692
    @anjealousanaconda9692 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I heard a theory that Cogita is Cynthia’s ancestor and Volo is Lusamine’s👁️👁️

  • @noobstoise1024
    @noobstoise1024 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Given clothes can also hint towards ancestry in this game I think Volo might be related to Lusamine, Lillie and Gladiolus. They both have an obsessive personality, both dress up as that obsession even styling their hair like Arceus/Pheramosa, them being related explains how she would know about Arceus given it wasn't common knowledge, and their outfits share very similar color schemes.

  • @FurretWok
    @FurretWok 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm looking forward to seeing more past counterparts in the next legends game, it's cool knowing more lore behind mysterious characters and characters with known family. I was looking forward to a Barry/Palmer ancestor for that reason but the fact that we didn't see one is lore too cause it means they're from somewhere else.