The Ancestors of Pokemon Legends Arceus

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  • @pedrorosas2541
    @pedrorosas2541 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3787

    I'm pretty sure they were toying around with veterans hinting Volo was Cynthia's ancestor until they introduced Cognita. They are both her ancestors, and she inherited Volo's thirst for strength and Cognita's curiosity over myths and legends. It is truly a nice way to make 2 characters out of one

    • @Geroldthorsten
      @Geroldthorsten 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +169

      Now thats a theory i believe instead of the time travel one. I mean sure Dialga and other pokemons could bring her in this time but there is no connenction or creativity, but this is much better
      Sry im german

    • @LilStarling
      @LilStarling 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

      Mmmhm Volo and Cognita most likely got together at some point after everything went down is my guess

    • @laundrewashington3734
      @laundrewashington3734 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

      ​@@LilStarling that or either their descendants before Cynthia, got together got together.

    • @natchu96
      @natchu96 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      When the internet has to be reminded that everyone has a gazillion ancestors

    • @desmonides
      @desmonides 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I'd let Cogita be my ancestor anyday 😏

  • @gardenshedd
    @gardenshedd ปีที่แล้ว +266

    Cogita is just helping us stop her obsessive nephew no worries

  • @o-dreng8778
    @o-dreng8778 ปีที่แล้ว +17923

    Cynthia just dropped the biggest Paradox ever and no one talks shit about it

    • @Stevetstevets
      @Stevetstevets ปีที่แล้ว +150

      Meanwhile idw shockwave

    • @mesmorrow
      @mesmorrow ปีที่แล้ว +330

      Because Game Freak writes lore like they are in third grade.

    • @number3766
      @number3766 ปีที่แล้ว +248

      BS.
      Cynthia would have figured out how to save the world long before we came along.
      Hell, she'd probably have fixed then issue to begin with.

    • @Derevocsidi
      @Derevocsidi ปีที่แล้ว +40

      @@mesmorrow coz they made the game for kids lmao.

    • @marchadow3957
      @marchadow3957 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      ​@@Derevocsidi is this a joke?

  • @thebestgreattusk1996
    @thebestgreattusk1996 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I like how most good modern characters have bad past counterparts and vice versa

    • @phone_gal
      @phone_gal 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Cyllene and Volo gave me a heart attack when i first met them 😭😭

  • @Doxiy
    @Doxiy ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Adaman has a descendant called perrin.

    • @cyanimation1605
      @cyanimation1605 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      and they both fine as hecc

  • @omega-kiba7188
    @omega-kiba7188 ปีที่แล้ว +18646

    Or…you know…Cogita and Volo are just family.

    • @Nasho3
      @Nasho3 ปีที่แล้ว +1235

      It would be weird because volo doesn’t refer to cogita as a family member

    • @MyHeartIsOhMyGod
      @MyHeartIsOhMyGod ปีที่แล้ว +1736

      ​@phillipclearman859maybe they're just kinky 💀

    • @ScionStorm1
      @ScionStorm1 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @Phillip Clearman He's a bastard son -not allowed to refer to her as mother. >:P

    • @glitchking2801
      @glitchking2801 ปีที่แล้ว +1696

      @@MyHeartIsOhMyGod they can also be just like really distant cousins or something

    • @jamhopsey
      @jamhopsey ปีที่แล้ว +1185

      it’s suggested that there exists some “ancient sinnoh blood” or wtv some family bloodline that cogitas inherited and during the final fight volo questions whether he doesn’t also share that ancestry in his little “chosen one” delusion

  • @PyroGothNerd
    @PyroGothNerd ปีที่แล้ว +4549

    News flash: People have more than one ancestor.

    • @scotandiamapping4549
      @scotandiamapping4549 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

      Beat me to it

    • @emperorxander666
      @emperorxander666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +294

      newsflash people NEED more than one ancestor

    • @olgierdvoneverec4135
      @olgierdvoneverec4135 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +158

      News flash: ancestors can also have plenty of descendants that look nothing like them.

    • @DieGurke_
      @DieGurke_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      ​@@emperorxander666Even the Habsburg needed 2

    • @velvet4088
      @velvet4088 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      👏👏👏🥹🥹🥹Discovery of the century

  • @pentagonyx
    @pentagonyx ปีที่แล้ว +5506

    The fact that Wally descended from a line of fucking ninjas is crazy

    • @WuilliamA
      @WuilliamA ปีที่แล้ว +578

      Wally, in the Pokémon manga, have a Ninja phase

    • @amaterasumaster8781
      @amaterasumaster8781 ปีที่แล้ว +341

      ​@@WuilliamA that makes him much more lovable than he already was imo

    • @SockMan1.0
      @SockMan1.0 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      Isn’t it hinted Wally dies after ORAS?

    • @SockMan1.0
      @SockMan1.0 ปีที่แล้ว +98

      I mean the flowers at his last fight are named after final goodbyes or death

    • @slimewizard7350
      @slimewizard7350 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      Gen 10, wally gym leader, badass fighting type ninja, gallade ace, MAKE IT HAPPEN GAMEFREAK

  • @beaksters
    @beaksters ปีที่แล้ว +388

    “Let’s skip the simple ones” Proceeds to go over all the simple ones.

    • @goose-verse
      @goose-verse 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      He meant that he'd just say them without explanation

    • @Son-Of-Poseidon1808
      @Son-Of-Poseidon1808 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@goose-verseHe then proceeded to explain some of the simple ones though

  • @marlo9512
    @marlo9512 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    Another theory I saw is that Volo is actually Cogita's ancestor sent to the "future" to Hisui. Some hints are how he's the only one that know of Giratina and Arceus, and his original clothing being a lot more "ancient" looking.

  • @fLexTheLaw
    @fLexTheLaw ปีที่แล้ว +2516

    Never forget ingo. Teleported away from his train homie to the past

    • @garrettlewis8450
      @garrettlewis8450 ปีที่แล้ว +202

      Nah not homie literal brother

    • @jet_set8648
      @jet_set8648 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      @@garrettlewis8450 both

    • @toonacyedits8521
      @toonacyedits8521 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      Yeah but Ingo doesn’t have a descendant in the series, Ingo here and Ingo in previous gens are just the same dude displaced in time

    • @DeluluPeper
      @DeluluPeper ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@toonacyedits8521but at least it’s canon

    • @ChronoStonz
      @ChronoStonz ปีที่แล้ว +12

      If he’s not in the Indigo Disk I’m gonna be super mad

  • @chrishuynh_0043
    @chrishuynh_0043 ปีที่แล้ว +2909

    I mean Cynthia's grandmother is the lorekeeper in Gen 4... which Cogita serves the same purpose. I don't see why she couldn't be say, the grandmother of Volo.

    • @romantheblack-cat
      @romantheblack-cat ปีที่แล้ว +315

      I just straight up thought she was volos gramdma

    • @edra2005
      @edra2005 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Or his wife

    • @ramaroy2408
      @ramaroy2408 ปีที่แล้ว +268

      ​@@edra2005 she is way too old lol. And in the game it was implied that cogita raise volo

    • @Star-Eyed-Ocean
      @Star-Eyed-Ocean ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Actually yeah now that I think about it why didn't I assume that too as well lmao

    • @lAlwaysHopel
      @lAlwaysHopel ปีที่แล้ว +128

      @@ramaroy2408 That make sense, also the hidden notes seems to imply that Cogita is immortal. Her being Cynthia “grandmother” is something that wouldn’t surprise me.

  • @jorgelazaro6833
    @jorgelazaro6833 ปีที่แล้ว +734

    When Beni removed his headwear, he has Wally’s exact hair

    • @hellhound01
      @hellhound01 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      But being a chef makes it look like cilan

    • @jorgelazaro6833
      @jorgelazaro6833 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@hellhound01 while that is a massive stretch, who’s to say Wally and Cilan aren’t related?

    • @ohdang3833
      @ohdang3833 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@jorgelazaro6833 Me

    • @michaelklassen777
      @michaelklassen777 ปีที่แล้ว

      When does he remove his headwear?

    • @Moald
      @Moald ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ​@@michaelklassen777When you fight him at Mount Coronet

  • @cristycantoy1753
    @cristycantoy1753 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1884

    "They sent her back since she gave Sinnoh permanent Trauma 💀"
    Edit: Wow okay didnt expect so many likes thx so much❤
    For the comments: Sure Cynthia has her weak points but remember we were fighting Cynthia blind so fighting her was a nightmare. Cynthia has Bulky tanks meanwhile still doing decent damage, and Cynthia Garchomp 💀. And sure it gets countered by ice types but Lucario and Milotic wear your ice type down and if you ice type dies it was nearly Impossible to beat Garchomp
    Conclusion: Cynthia has a counter sure but we didnt know what to expect when we first faught her and even if you still use the counter Team she's still a difficult opponent

    • @Skyler-f7m
      @Skyler-f7m 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      I don't get why people consider her hard fight, she was very easy if compared to red and whitney.
      You only need 3 pokemon types: fire, water and electric.
      Infernape, vapereon with ice beam and Ampharos.
      The only threat she have is the destiny bond but you are so rich by then, you should have a lot of revive item and full restore.
      These are basic things you should have by the time you beat all challenges before her.....

    • @henkiestudios5117
      @henkiestudios5117 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Skyler-f7mtry nuzlocking her

    • @Skyler-f7m
      @Skyler-f7m 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@iob321 it have no difference in difficulties as the fight with Cynthia are copy paste from original games.

    • @Skyler-f7m
      @Skyler-f7m 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@iob321 you are right about the item but rest of them don't really add difficulties to me atleast.
      I guess this was subjective to everyone on whether remake was more difficult.

    • @PhillyCh3zSt3ak
      @PhillyCh3zSt3ak 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Skyler-f7m someone datamined Cynthia's DPPt AI, it literally choses moves at random like every other trainer in the game. The newer AI actually chooses based on what you have and acts accordingly.
      So, if you lost to Cynthia and have PTSD from it. You got it because of bad RNG draws.

  • @knowvoid9958
    @knowvoid9958 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    All 3 of the cynthia are a trio because their names are emotion knowledge and willpower.
    Cynthia talks about feelings in dp, Volvo is willpower to fight and make something of himself, Cogia is knowledgeable.

  • @Botan_Katou
    @Botan_Katou ปีที่แล้ว +2720

    I thought the most popular theory was that Volo is a farther ancestor of BOTH Cynthia and Cogito. Since the way he dresses for the final battle and the way he talked sometimes made him seem like he traveled FORWARD in time, unlike the player who gets sent back in time.

    • @sarcasm-aplenty
      @sarcasm-aplenty ปีที่แล้ว +62

      Yooo i just commented nearly the same thing before reading this comment. Same brain cell!!

    • @Delmont_The_Delusional
      @Delmont_The_Delusional ปีที่แล้ว +14

      ​@@charnalk5572 celetican or celestial?

    • @longbeing
      @longbeing ปีที่แล้ว +145

      Nah he just spent a little too much time alone with his history books. He reminds me of those guys who get weirdly nationalist for a past version of their nation. The type who think everything would be fixed if they had an absolute monarchy again or Prussia still existed or whatever.

    • @JustAGirlOnline
      @JustAGirlOnline ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I was thinking maybe more like Volo is from the future. Kinda like it's implied Sabi is from the future (similar to how Ingo was send from the present to the past, Volo seeks out going to the past from the future, and Sabi ends up in the past similarly to how Ingo does, but is from the future instead of from the present.)

    • @toolatetothestory
      @toolatetothestory ปีที่แล้ว +22

      ​@@longbeing Yeah, I think so too. After all, HE was the one who caused the tome rift to begin with. How would he have traveled into the time where he had caused it to begin with before causing it
      God I hate time travel xD Its always so complicated

  • @evan_mirDM
    @evan_mirDM ปีที่แล้ว +794

    The ancient poem is implied to be written by Cogita. And the poem talked about the aiding the ancient hero and losing friends to the passage of time. So Cogita might be immortal and ancestor of Volo and Cynthia

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      They're both incredibly old

    • @person9846
      @person9846 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      I mean, if she’s immortal she could still just be Cynthia

    • @idontknowokay12
      @idontknowokay12 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@person9846That doesn’t make sense because we see child Cynthia

    • @SauronIH
      @SauronIH 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@idontknowokay12also cogita looks visibly more aged than cynthia

  • @SchemaVideos
    @SchemaVideos ปีที่แล้ว +34

    More likely Cogita was actually from the period in which Legends Arceus takes place and Volo is the one that doesn't belong since he's the one who's so obsessed with Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. He probably time traveled like the protagonist. I think something in the game mentions him time travelling but I'm not sure.

    • @Kinderin
      @Kinderin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It does but it implies he came from the past opposed to your future

    • @WolfofFrost
      @WolfofFrost หลายเดือนก่อน

      The guy you're thinking of is Ingo from pokemon Black and White 2

  • @dead_byte
    @dead_byte ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Obviously, the most logical explanation is that Cogita saw how ✨extra✨Volo was, and immediately thought “I can fix him”

    • @slimer44producciones3
      @slimer44producciones3 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Most sane relationship in ancient Sinnoh (everyone else was busy making the "human-like" egg group a thing)

    • @Tenebrio-Morio
      @Tenebrio-Morio 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@slimer44producciones3 sit in the idiot corner.

  • @Admirer-
    @Admirer- ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Youre telling me that Wally, the man that I beat the absolute shit out of with my fire chicken, descended from a family line of FUCKING NINJAS??

    • @Charmaster04
      @Charmaster04 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Name one person you didn't beat with your fire chicken. Do you have a reputation for losing to ninjas? ;)

  • @angriestjoker
    @angriestjoker ปีที่แล้ว +115

    I always assumed Cogita and Volo came from a long gone tribe of ancestors that all looked like Cynthia

    • @safehouse432
      @safehouse432 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      Ahh yes the Cynthia tribe they worshipped pianos hence their theme song.

    • @lAlwaysHopel
      @lAlwaysHopel ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Well it seems both are the only one left from the Sinnoh People bloodline, so that is possible.

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's what I figured too

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@lAlwaysHopelThe game seems to imply that the others fled to Sinjoh. Also, there had to be others around to be Volo's parents

    • @teag6240
      @teag6240 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There's the Celesticans that Celestic Town is named after. Apparently common traits of Celesticans were having gray eyes and a strong bond with Pokémon, some even being aura guardians. Coincidentally, most protags have the gray eye color.

  • @dnd1016
    @dnd1016 ปีที่แล้ว +726

    Plot twist: Cogita is Cynthia’s Ancestor while Volo is actually Lusamine’s.

    • @kamen_rider1752
      @kamen_rider1752 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      Makes sense

    • @yamadawaver9317
      @yamadawaver9317 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Ah surely

    • @codyleroy7
      @codyleroy7 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      What would make more sense is Volo is a cousin or nephew to cogita while also being Lusamine’s ancestor.

    • @KuragariYamishiro
      @KuragariYamishiro ปีที่แล้ว +63

      That means lusamine and Cynthia are distant relatives

    • @that_kid_nobody_notices
      @that_kid_nobody_notices ปีที่แล้ว +68

      That would explain the obsessive personalities for both Volo and Lusamine. Beings from other dimensions (giratina/maybe arceus, and the ultra beasts respectively).

  • @Nyaiv
    @Nyaiv ปีที่แล้ว +1219

    There's a trainer with a Lucario named Rye, who you have to battle as part of a quest. Pretty sure he's supposed to be Riley from diamond and pearls ancestor, has the same hair and everything.

    • @Diabolos1007
      @Diabolos1007 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Yep they are in fact relatives

    • @darkflame1.067
      @darkflame1.067 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Yeah fr, he also talks about aura and says that you have also done aura.

    • @coyolord8031
      @coyolord8031 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Yeah. I was disappointed when after you beat his ass he doesn't give you a riolu egg :(

    • @topgamer2690
      @topgamer2690 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Another ancestor is the sorcerer named Sir Arron in the movie Lucario and the mystery of Mew wore similar clothing and all even had a lucario!!! Ash even accidentally summoned Lucario from the Staff owned by Sir Arron.. in sword and Shield ash was chosen by an egg 🥚 that hatched into a Riolu!!! Could Ash Ketchum be Blood related???

    • @Gildenik
      @Gildenik 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The outfitter or clothing shop woman (I forgot her name) is an ancestor to butler

  • @noplayJ
    @noplayJ ปีที่แล้ว +9

    One that you missed was Karen for that one side quest about the lady too scared too sleep because of a pikachu

  • @MrBigBasket
    @MrBigBasket ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Imagine being dawn and you somehow found out the neighbor you live next too is your ancient ancestor the day before she gets kidnapped by arceus💀

  • @longbeing
    @longbeing ปีที่แล้ว +301

    They’re definitely just related. I assume Volo is either the “black sheep” of the family or they’re from different sides of the family who don’t get along well.

  • @SirPanikalot778
    @SirPanikalot778 ปีที่แล้ว +306

    Also, because of beni's battle just before the legendary encounter, we now know that wally is from a line of ninjas.

    • @gabi4845
      @gabi4845 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      See the ninja stuff is why I thought he was related to Aaron in some way? Maybe he’s also a distant relative of Wally..

    • @Solaceon
      @Solaceon ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@gabi4845 that's the impression I got too.

    • @johnnyp1986
      @johnnyp1986 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I thought maybe he could also be the ancestor of the Shadow Triad from Gen 5. His battle animation where he does a flip looks very similar to the battle animation given to the shadow triad when fought it B2W2.

    • @senny-
      @senny- ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@gabi4845holy shit i never noticed how similar they looked until now

  • @SKROGY
    @SKROGY ปีที่แล้ว +928

    Dialga: *The literal god of time*
    Theorists: We don’t know what being could’ve sent Cynthia back in time

    • @GustavoJua15
      @GustavoJua15 ปีที่แล้ว +142

      I mean, it was Arceus who sent back the player. And Celebi temporarily sent back the player of HG/SS to see the Giovanni say bye to Silver and battle him.

    • @Missingno_Miner
      @Missingno_Miner ปีที่แล้ว +56

      I mean, Arceus was the one to send the player back, while Ingo's amnesia matches with most Fallers, so he may have arrived via Ultra Wormhole.

    •  ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Better question is 'why'.

    • @connortg5
      @connortg5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@Missingno_Miner ingo fell from the rift in the sky, I very clearly remember them stating that and comparing it to how you fell from the rift as well, he likely wasn’t sent by arceus tho and was rather caught in a random distortion because we supposedly keep our memories while he didnt

    • @Missingno_Miner
      @Missingno_Miner ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@connortg5 No, the player fell from the rift, and they're specifically differentiated from Ingo in that respect. When he first shows up, he refers to the player as the person who came from the sky, and the game continues with this, explictly stating, several times, that Ingo did not fall from the sky, but rather just appeared. Ingo himself states that he was "still standing in bafflement" when the Pearl Clan found him, showing he arrived standing up rather than dropping from somewhere, and he tells Volo he has "no cause" to believe the rift had anything to do with his arrival in Hisui or the loss of his memory.

  • @oburci9596
    @oburci9596 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Lets skip the obvious ones"
    *starts with Akari and Dawn*

  • @FireflyJuu
    @FireflyJuu ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you talk to Beni after you finish the game he says Hisui is too cold for him and he's looking to settle somewhere warmer

  • @queeeeeeenn
    @queeeeeeenn ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Another thing that linked Beni and Wally is that Beni mentioned that he wanted to go somewhere with a Warmer Climate. For example: Hoenn

  • @enzopereira2606
    @enzopereira2606 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    I always assumed volo was related to cogita, like a son, grandson or nephew, since he says that he has the blood of the ancient sinnoh people, of which cogita is the last "pure blooded" and the old verses imply that she has lived for hundreds of years (plus the fact that she allows you to have enamorus, her partner pokemon, knowing that once you die of old age, enamorus will return to her side)

    • @corruptcamerupt2344
      @corruptcamerupt2344 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      That makes me wonder if she becomes Cynthia in the future, cause if she’s basically immortal what’s to say she didn’t change her identity to fit better in modern times.

    • @omarpride3021
      @omarpride3021 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That would be so cool and I like this

    • @mlpfanboy1701
      @mlpfanboy1701 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Too bad for her enamorous was sent to the far future.

    • @SirYappington3
      @SirYappington3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Enamorous traveling through space and time (some dumbass transfered them into a new game) (im the dumbass)

    • @fierdrages6523
      @fierdrages6523 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@mlpfanboy1701 really?

  • @Derevocsidi
    @Derevocsidi ปีที่แล้ว +5853

    i thought that Cogita Married Volo. I mean Cynthia got face from Cogita and yellow hair from Volo.

    • @8bitmoe
      @8bitmoe  ปีที่แล้ว +1404

      Yeah that’s a good one too actually, I hope we learn more about her cause I find her to be the most interesting character in the game

    • @Slymation
      @Slymation ปีที่แล้ว +414

      Wdym Volo already has the same face as here and cogita and volo look way too similar not to be related

    • @schnitzelmike727
      @schnitzelmike727 ปีที่แล้ว +335

      In the words of prozd: "oh they fockin"

    • @Derevocsidi
      @Derevocsidi ปีที่แล้ว +66

      @@Slymation Maybe they married.

    • @decayingfairy3996
      @decayingfairy3996 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      We see so much more of Cynthia’s family than any other character lmao

  • @Wiggler888
    @Wiggler888 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Gaeric - Wulfric
    Clover - Candice
    Charm - Bertha
    Coin - Saturn
    Calaba - Mina
    Arezu - Mars
    Melli - Karen
    Rye - Riley
    Colza - Gardenia
    Ginter - Volkner
    Lian - Clay
    Sanqua - Clair

  • @denzel_theasian
    @denzel_theasian ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like the theory that Volo was brought from a time even further in the past to the events of legends Arceus, and Cogita is his descendent. This would explain how he would know about Giratina and his particular style of clothes

  • @Imperfectcell13
    @Imperfectcell13 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Sabi being the shared ancestor of Cheryl and Hapu is pretty interesting

  • @cupofjoe1785
    @cupofjoe1785 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    I like how us Pokémon fans talk about a game before it comes out like “noooo you can’t make the trees look slightly bad,” and then when the game comes out we’re like “you see, he’s his ancestor because they share the sitting gene”

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I keep seeing that example but Ginter has Volkner's exact face

  • @brianlisk9326
    @brianlisk9326 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    The gang of thieves are the ancestors of Saturn, Candace, and Bertha

    • @Makitru
      @Makitru ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Charm’s an ancestor of Bertha and Agatha
      Clover’s an ancestor of Candice
      Coin’s an ancestor of Saturn

    • @fruitgummy2461
      @fruitgummy2461 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Who's Candice?

    • @blaketourdner8992
      @blaketourdner8992 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fruitgummy2461 Candice dick fit in yo mouth
      But I’m all seriousness She’s the Seventh gym leader in the Sinnoh games

    • @The_real_shrimpo
      @The_real_shrimpo ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Who's Candice (chain plss)

    • @pg13snipez
      @pg13snipez ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@The_real_shrimpo Deez-

  • @jeffgoode9865
    @jeffgoode9865 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    *deep inhale*
    Good lord, Cogita. Mm. Mm-mm-mm...Cogita.

  • @Cysco8575
    @Cysco8575 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I don't want to think she's the Fry of the pokemon universe and became her own great great great grandmother because Dialga and Celebi did a little trolling.

  • @confusedjello7292
    @confusedjello7292 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    i love how nobody has even considered the possibility of having two relatives

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I did I ship Volo and Cogita

  • @aringrey
    @aringrey ปีที่แล้ว +36

    imagine having more than one ancestor. Couldn't be me

    • @lilpetz500
      @lilpetz500 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agametic gang rise up!

  • @CyberDrewan
    @CyberDrewan ปีที่แล้ว +221

    Personally, I think Cogita and Volo are the other way around: Cogita is Cynthia’s ancestor from this time, while Volo is from another time. I’ve heard the theory that Volo, given his Greek-inspired clothes, is actually Cynthia’s ancestor from further in the past (like, from Antiquity). This also aligns with their mannerisms: Cogita is suspicious of Volo, specifically claiming that he acts differently from other people in Hisui, which would be weird to do if you yourself were trying to hide that you didn’t belong in this time period.

    • @chaosstripe9446
      @chaosstripe9446 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Also Volo is a worshipper of Giratina, who's been erased from history at the time of Hisui. AKA Volo was around before Giratina was forgotten and was the one who previously broke through time and space, causing The Darkest Day when he jumped forward with Giratina to escape prosecution by Arceus, Dialga, and Palkia.

    • @amithist4455
      @amithist4455 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      But then the question is, what Pokémon sent him forwards in time? Why would Dialga, Arceus or Celebi want to send him back given his intentions?

    • @lilpetz500
      @lilpetz500 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I would like that idea, but he does express being angered at the fact that you get to be more of a chosen one than him by falling from the sky, and doesn't seem to have a cool origin story to bring up in comparison besides simply being a Hisui era traveller with a bit too much knowledge. I think that maybe he has that outfit as a historic re-enactment he made maybe, since he is kind of fanatical about pleasing arceus and that may have been a historic era where people were more connected (right down to his silly hairstyle to try mimic them)

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@chaosstripe9446Darkest Day had nothing to do with Giratina

    • @shadeaubetoile9799
      @shadeaubetoile9799 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      This actually could explain why he knows more about the creation trio than the clans who are litteraly worshiping them

  • @kirby69813
    @kirby69813 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The hair stylist looks like Mars

  • @Fjall_1
    @Fjall_1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My theory is that Cogita is Cynthia’s current ancestor, and Volo is Cynthia’s ancestor from even longer time ago than PLA. It is hinted at in Volo’s dialogue during the final fight

  • @ugn154
    @ugn154 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    When a character is so loved by not only the company but the fan base as well that she gets two past representations.
    One is the intimidating trainer you have to face at the end, the other is the really helpful, insightful, yet mysterious character.
    Both Cynthia, love it.

    • @ugn154
      @ugn154 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is exactly it.

  • @funnyskull14
    @funnyskull14 ปีที่แล้ว +255

    We need a legends game for Unova just inagine seeing Zekrom, Reshiram and Kyurem still fused together and then the final battle is them and once you beat it they get split

    • @Langodan
      @Langodan ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Id love to go back to unova like this

    • @momorose3211
      @momorose3211 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      It would help explain the disappearance of Blair/Hilbert/Emile and Whitlea/Hilda from Pokémon Black 2 and White 2

    • @Reshiram321
      @Reshiram321 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      hi

    • @AznYunHou
      @AznYunHou ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@momorose3211 yeah, they could be the character sent back in time by a higher power

    • @mercenaryelite
      @mercenaryelite ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Pokemon Legends: Kyurem

  • @WayToDawn72
    @WayToDawn72 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I just assumed Cogita was related to Volo, like a great aunt or cousin twice removed

    • @lowtier369
      @lowtier369 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's what I thought too lmao they were both pretty mysterious and felt like they had a history

    • @dhanushs.s2093
      @dhanushs.s2093 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Atleast someone has some braincells💀💀.......

    • @Charara999
      @Charara999 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I thought that as well. Like Cogita is his grandma's sister or something, but treats him like the child who asks too many questions. Maybe she even raised him.

    • @lilpetz500
      @lilpetz500 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      She seems like a relative who would invite herself to Cynthia's family reunions and no one knows exactly how she's related but she's obviously related somehow in resemblance and very polite so she can stay.
      Volo would be the relative that they do know, but is on thin ice to being kicked out if he goes on about his arceus conspiracy one more time

    • @7swordquanta459
      @7swordquanta459 ปีที่แล้ว

      This makes way more sense honestly. However, when I played PLA again, I somehow noticed how Cogita's dialogue makes her seem like someone coming from the future. It's a bit of a stretch I know but that's what I noticed.

  • @jacob2069
    @jacob2069 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Volo is a time traveler, he talked about how he would pull of his thing no matter how many centuries it takes

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He knows about the Distortion World. He could easily duck in there for a few decades to wait things out.

  • @Livi-chan435-xq6vy
    @Livi-chan435-xq6vy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how the fandom agrees that Volo is a low class Cynthia

  • @royalevans9671
    @royalevans9671 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    “Are there any I missed” me being like there’s dozens😂

  • @Real_cinderace
    @Real_cinderace ปีที่แล้ว +22

    "Let's skip the obvious ones"
    Proceeds to put dawn

    • @aqilshadow5451
      @aqilshadow5451 ปีที่แล้ว

      What

    • @Real_cinderace
      @Real_cinderace ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@aqilshadow5451 Dawn's ancestor was obvious to know

    • @aqilshadow5451
      @aqilshadow5451 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Real_cinderace You worded it like it was hard to know

  • @indy63_24
    @indy63_24 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I'm yet to see someone talking about Taohua being Director Clavel's relative. A pretty cool Easter Egg placed to tease their next game

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That would mean Clavell and Charon are related and that's hilarious

  • @hysloth3137
    @hysloth3137 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Volo is cogita's ancestor since he was from the distant past

    • @topgamer2690
      @topgamer2690 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Volo was a Giritina worshipper and the lead worshipper as well!!!

  • @enaxie
    @enaxie ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Volo is a time traveler from the past rather than the future. This is why, although volo and cogita are related, neither characters know this.

  • @ASwallie65
    @ASwallie65 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    ... I think the more obvious and intended conclusion is that Cynthia has two ancestors in this game

  • @maximumbeans9310
    @maximumbeans9310 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    One that I haven’t seen mentioned is that Arezu is basically Mars from Team Galactic.

    • @shadeaubetoile9799
      @shadeaubetoile9799 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's even funnier for me, cause the french version of the game went ahead and legit called her "Marcia" (pronounced like 'Mars+Sia')

  • @334yopf
    @334yopf ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I fully believe that the guy from the Electrode trial is an ancestor of James.

    • @agent8370
      @agent8370 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      oddly enough, all the theories of I've heard for who melli is related to, no one went to James, which honestly seems most accurate out of all of them. The only question being whether or not the games and anime exist in the same universe.

    • @chaosstripe9446
      @chaosstripe9446 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This, 1000%

    • @honeyslime7178
      @honeyslime7178 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@agent8370 We don't need to ask that question since we have multiple games with James in them.

    • @FrostGlader
      @FrostGlader ปีที่แล้ว +3

      IMO, it’s Penny from SV.
      A lot of the known ancestors in PLA have vastly different personalities to their modern counterparts, and beyond that often share physical features. Melli shares similar facial features and has a similar hair colour to Penny (ignoring the obvious Red part that Penny likely dyed).

    • @jayjonesrgaming
      @jayjonesrgaming ปีที่แล้ว

      Always thought Toa Hua is Wikstroms ancestor, same eyebrows and mouth shape. And pretty sure Tsumugi, the guard that stands by the item storage box in Jubilife, is Jupiter’s ancestor

  • @natasjaschwanke9046
    @natasjaschwanke9046 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Me personally, volo looks more like Barry from the sinnoh games, since when he reveals his true intention in the post game, his hair looks EXACTLY like Barry's hair.

  • @BetterCallSteam
    @BetterCallSteam 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    An ancestor of Cogita and an ancestor of Voló fell in love and centuries later there is Cynthia. Duh.

  • @kartikalmighty
    @kartikalmighty ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The farmer guy who harvests stuff for you if you ask him too has the same haircut as Gardenia, so they might be related

  • @Dragonwolf161
    @Dragonwolf161 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I would think it was just Cynthia has both Cogita and Volo for ancestors

  • @dustindean4618
    @dustindean4618 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This game also proves that Agatha and Bertha are related lol

  • @UsedToBeRonin
    @UsedToBeRonin 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I always took it to mean Cogita and Volo hooked up after the game ends

  • @uchu1700
    @uchu1700 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fun fact no one is talking about this but Beni is also the ancestors of the Bug type elite four member as well.

  • @maracabo1176
    @maracabo1176 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    GILF CYNTHIA LETS GOOOOOOO

  • @RedTHedge
    @RedTHedge ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Clearly, they're both Cynthia's ancestors

    • @dennysoto1236
      @dennysoto1236 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No. People can only have 1 ancestor. Obviously Volo will eventually split into 2 slightly different versions of himself via mitosis and Cogita will be revealed to be a time-traveling Ditto that saw Cynthia and decided to impersonate her in the distant past 😂

  • @jacobkirk1846
    @jacobkirk1846 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Well actually Volo talks about waiting centuries to meet Arceus, so it’s obvious that there’s some time paradox shenanigans happening with him. So I’d say that Cogita is Cynthia’s distant relative from this era, then Volo is maybe her distant relative traveled from the past.
    Edit: that could also be why there’s never any mention of a family relationship between the two. She would likely not know who Volo is with him being a distant relative traveled from the past, and he likely wouldn’t want to tell her out of fear that it may out his plan.

    • @ItsFireTiger
      @ItsFireTiger ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I thought the dialogue was that he'd see Arceus even if it takes centuries

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He also may have access to the Distortion World, or simply know how Cogita got so long lived (she's implied to be the one who wrote the Old Verses)

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Cogita wrote the Old Verses, she's just as old as Volo

  • @starstorm1267
    @starstorm1267 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Or, Cognita could just be…oh I don’t know…Volo’s grandmother? Great aunt? An older relative? Did y’all forget how family bloodlines work or something?

  • @Clown_DZ
    @Clown_DZ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The professor Laventon looks a lot like Hope and Leon from pokemon sword and shield

  • @Monkey80939
    @Monkey80939 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Theres no way, dog you have to have 2 ancestors per layer of a family tree, we gunna neglect the idea that those 2 are gunna make Cynthia’s family line

  • @giboit.
    @giboit. ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The old verses from pokemon legends arceus and the dialogues in the game imply that Cogita (and Volo) are both humans that were blessed/cursed by Arceus and became inmortals.
    Also, due to Volo's craziness, his use of pokemon from a different dimension and his blonde hair I'd argue that Volo may be Lusamine's ancestor and with Cogita being Cynthia's ancestor.
    Immortality being indirectly present in Lusamine's genes would explain why she looks so young despite being over 40 years old.

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There's no such implication with Volo though.

    • @giboit.
      @giboit. ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@BJGvideos
      “Once there were two. And one looked upon time’s steady pace. And one looked upon the expanse of space. And the two set out: the fullness of future did they seek, the world’s far end would they greet. Two different paths- each walking alone a path their own, though they walk with almighty Sinnoh.”

  • @rileymaxwell7357
    @rileymaxwell7357 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I think one that doesnt get talked about enough is how Irida the pearl clan leader looks like she's related to Serena from X and Y

    • @dumbly-stupid
      @dumbly-stupid ปีที่แล้ว

      Same

    • @Pockets4507
      @Pockets4507 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Irida? Dude thats May from Ruby and Sapphire.

    • @dumbly-stupid
      @dumbly-stupid ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Pockets4507 I think she might be both their ancestors they do look similar

  • @nemasisdemarini8339
    @nemasisdemarini8339 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Y'all can't seriously be trying to say that Cynthia can't have two ancestors...

  • @PapiBlackarot
    @PapiBlackarot หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cogita can easily be Cynthia's ancestor too. My great great great great grandfather is my ancestor, but so is his father, and his father, and his father, and his father, etc.

  • @aaronwishard7093
    @aaronwishard7093 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The easier, but also just as much theory, answer to Cogita and Volo is that they're both ancestors of Cynthia.
    Meaning that, even if they don't marry, or anything like that. It's the same way that you probably know two ancestors from a few hundred years ago, even if you don't by name, who have nothing to do with one another but you could pinpoint them within a few square miles of one another.

  • @bricky7081
    @bricky7081 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Aint no way Volo isnt Cynthia's ancestor with that connection to Giratina & the big dramatic ass piano flaring up at the beginning of his battle

  • @Fr1endly7
    @Fr1endly7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    One thing I want to point out is that Zisu has the same starting battle animation as Hop.

    • @Solaceon
      @Solaceon ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great, now I'm not gonna be able to unsee that.

    • @GustavoJua15
      @GustavoJua15 ปีที่แล้ว

      Zizu x Laventon?

  • @artisticsmeargel
    @artisticsmeargel ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cogita is Cynthia’s great grandma because in the dp and plat and bdsp Cynthia‘s grandmother says that her mother met the spirits and cogita does confirm she has a daughter

  • @teamdizy660
    @teamdizy660 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve seen Volo is from the past, hence his more ancient attire at the end of the game, and he’s an ancestor of Cogita. So they’re both ancestors of Cynthia. That’s a theory I like to believe

  • @HolyCanolei
    @HolyCanolei ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Y’all be acting like people can’t have multiple ancestors alive at the same time.

  • @Guywhosaysbooya
    @Guywhosaysbooya ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Na they smashed. And I'm not talking about Pokemon battles. 🙌

    • @epRivera
      @epRivera ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Volo used Rock Smash!

    • @primrose6794
      @primrose6794 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's super effective!

  • @emmett2981
    @emmett2981 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    this is why we need a dlc for pla 🙃

    • @kirby69813
      @kirby69813 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pokémon Legends: Victini

  • @RyanJZacher
    @RyanJZacher 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn meeting their ancestors has so much comedy potential! 😂
    Mars: “She look just like me…”
    Coin: “He looks just like me…”
    Jupiter: “Hey, what about me…?”

  • @AngelusKnight-r6z
    @AngelusKnight-r6z ปีที่แล้ว

    A video that doesn't end in a loop. Thanks Arceus.

  • @vgrundt
    @vgrundt ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Volo and Cogita could be related in some way. Volo could be the abandoned son of Cogita

  • @cy-bernet-ix
    @cy-bernet-ix ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i think volo is from a time before cogita, being *her* ancestor, but travelling *forward* in time while he was young to meet her when she was older.

  • @sarcasm-aplenty
    @sarcasm-aplenty ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Volo is from even further back in time based on his outfit. He hangs around Cogita because he is Her ancestor and Cogita is Cynthia's. At least that's my theory.

    • @Nasho3
      @Nasho3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Volo wears his outfit because he is a merchant

    • @eliotrumbleny7280
      @eliotrumbleny7280 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@DrJazzyBonespHd he is dressed like Arceus

  • @danielmota3228
    @danielmota3228 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The music in the video hooked me in one second. Man, this is the best pokémon game ever

  • @Thatone_weirdpers0n
    @Thatone_weirdpers0n 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cyllene and Cyrus look like brothers have the same death stare 💀

  • @Moonkat358
    @Moonkat358 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I think Lavender is Jacq's ancestor, they look pretty similar. ALSO, Jacq in one point of the gane says that in his times the Pokedex was written with hand and feather and it was only a simple notebook. They are both professors and wear glasses and a purple tunic. Coincidence?

    • @AznYunHou
      @AznYunHou ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think it was already theorized for Laventon to be Leon and Hop's ancestor. Cause the Indian background that can be associated with the characters. And Laventon having the Raichu Indian elephant entry retconned to Copperajah from his homeland. Since Copperajah is from an Indian inspired region.

    • @CaptainObliviousV
      @CaptainObliviousV ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It was actually Clavell that mentioned filling out the dex with pen & paper, not Jacq. I’ve actually seen connections made to Laventon being Hop & Leon’s ancestor while Jacq is a descendant of Adaman (though the ladder is very loose)

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@AznYunHouAren't Leon and Hop black rather than Indian? Not that there aren't black Indians of course but you know how this game goes.

  • @hiroshotreplica
    @hiroshotreplica ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I always thought cogita was apart of volo's family somehow. Perhaps volo being a false ancestor of sorts, with cynthia actually being cogita's direct descendant. Idk though, i didnt really think about it

  • @jonarhax3388
    @jonarhax3388 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My theory is volo was sent to the future a while ago, so he's actually from the pokemon version of greek mythology and sent to hisui, so while cogita is the "modern ancestor" of Cynthia, Volo essentially is cogita's ancestor too. The whole thing about sinnoh blood and volo not having it is this sinnoh blood happened after his time (greece) when one of volo's descendants got with someone that began the bloodline

  • @GesseDaSanta
    @GesseDaSanta ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cogita just paid Volo... another way

  • @dangreen6901
    @dangreen6901 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Volo is Cogita's ancestor.... it was explained in the game that Volo was from the time of the original hero that brought the original noble pokemon together

  • @chiepog6215
    @chiepog6215 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I actually like the idea of Volo being Lusamine relative as you look more into his personality and choices of clothes it alot like Lusamine and Cogita being more like Cynthia. So maybe Volo leaves for Alola? We don't ever see him again so that could be that Volo is Lusamine ancestor and Cogita is Cynthia Ancestor.

    • @shadeaubetoile9799
      @shadeaubetoile9799 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean, Considering some people is Arceus are ancestraux to unova characters, it's not that wild to imagine one of them reaching Alola

  • @Solaceon
    @Solaceon ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Okay, maybe I'm nuts but Volo being an ancestor of Cynthia was not immediately obvious to me. I saw the name and the color of the hair and was like "guess that's Volkner?" and didn't think about it again. Man was I surprised when he stomped my ass with Cynthia's team!
    Edit: I think both Cogita and Volo are Cynthia's ancestors. In her bloodline's past there were powerful and fascinating people. It makes sense she'd obsess over history and wanting to know more-real life people do the same with genealogy.

  • @Garde_Mystik
    @Garde_Mystik ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly it's Volo. Volo is the time traveler and Cogita's ancestor. He wore ancient Greek god clothing, knew things only someone who lived in the past would know, and had access to time travel himself via Giratina ripping space time.

  • @luxyphr1335
    @luxyphr1335 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Irida and May is my headcanon. Their hair and style is similar and grey eyes (May) are just blue eyes (Irida) with even less melanin and can be a possibility down the family tree line in terms of genes. Now thanks to the Scarlet and Violet dlc released Adaman and Perrin are pretty obvious too

    • @Cyntaria
      @Cyntaria 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've always thought Irida is the spitting image of May. Sure May isn't blonde and both her gen 3 and 6 art she has grey eyes, but Irida's face, hair and even hair accessory looks almost identical to May and her gen 6 bandanna tied up as a headband instead of around her hair.

  • @potatoheadpokemario1931
    @potatoheadpokemario1931 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I always thought Cogita was Volvo's grandmother or something