When to use Bevel up or Bevel Down with a Chisel | Paul Sellers

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  • @mrstandfast2212
    @mrstandfast2212 3 ปีที่แล้ว +266

    4 minutes and 49 seconds = a lifetime of experience explained simply, coherently and with no added fuss. If only all tutors knew this.

    • @charlieevergreen3514
      @charlieevergreen3514 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Skilled woodworker AND a skilled teacher. Paul Sellers is such a great fellow.

    • @mvalovalo
      @mvalovalo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So true. I’ve been coaching rugby for almost 20 years. Am 40 this year. When I host clinics for new coaches the very first thing I tell them is to take what they had planned and halve it. Take what you WERE going to say and half THAT. Too often they’ll either waffle on or have waaaay too much content for the session. Until they’re comfortable and efficient they should err on the side of finishing early and use that time to get more reps or practice or q&a in.

    • @bluemerlin271
      @bluemerlin271 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He casually cuts a dado manually in 1 minute while talking about it 😂🤣. This guy is awesome! . Glad I ran into this channel 👍

    • @offimoo9995
      @offimoo9995 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fr Fr

    • @HappyHitman
      @HappyHitman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      1:39 and he has already taught something you won't find in a book. This is the difference between a formal education and an apprentiship.

  • @ErgonBill
    @ErgonBill 3 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    Paul helps us amateurs take woodworking to the next bevel...I'll see myself out.

    • @EvidenceofaFabulousLife
      @EvidenceofaFabulousLife 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That was worth it! 😉

    • @SepticXable
      @SepticXable 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And take my like with ye.
      Good day sir

    • @Dave-lr2wo
      @Dave-lr2wo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wood you not make a joke like that agrain, please?

    • @lancemcque1459
      @lancemcque1459 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Are you here until Thursday? lol

  • @clintrairdon3554
    @clintrairdon3554 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Question ??? WHY isn’t this man sponsored by a company to bring his vast knowledge to the woodworking masses. ? I learn so much from watching his videos. Simply explained, no BS, no stupid music., such a Great teacher !!

    • @FranktheDachshund
      @FranktheDachshund หลายเดือนก่อน

      Then he would end up with a huge stack of green plastic boxes and red aluminum extrusions hanging on the wall behind him.

    • @nasarazam
      @nasarazam 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That is a blessing for us. count us among the fortunate to have the best teacher in the world give classes for free. There are some hand tool "experts" subtly sponsoring their products at extremely high prices. Nothing wrong with that, but you can never know what is genuine vs what is selling. Also, Paul style lends itself to a lay person. He is a great teacher and a fantastic humble human being...

  • @philmann3476
    @philmann3476 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    "It's very simple."
    Yeah, reminds me of that video Michelangelo posted on his channel a few weeks ago about how you just get a chunk of marble and a chisel and simply chop away whatever doesn't look like David.
    Seriously, you are a gem and many thanks. Much appreciated.

    • @InfectedByEli
      @InfectedByEli 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      "chop away whatever doesn't look like David."
      I'm stealing that 👍

    • @ivans7406
      @ivans7406 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am stealing too!@@InfectedByEli

  • @ffaubert1
    @ffaubert1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    I love when I learn more in five minutes from an expert than I have in 30 years of messing about in a workshop by myself. Thank you so much Paul.

  • @robertcreasey6182
    @robertcreasey6182 3 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Mr. Sellers, I wish I could sit in on your morning coffee sessions. You ooze wisdom. Thank you for what you do.

    • @keithswoodshop1193
      @keithswoodshop1193 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I agree, to be able to sit and talk woodworking with him would equal years of therapy.
      Can a Yankee come to the U.K. and take your class?

  • @mikeadiddle
    @mikeadiddle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I literally giggled with joy when you cut that scallop near the end! You are a master.

  • @PaulC1980
    @PaulC1980 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm so glad TH-cam exists and that Paul Sellers is on it giving a wealth of knowledge to those that appreciate it.

  • @BamaDave501
    @BamaDave501 3 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    Am I the only one who watched this and thought, man I need to sharpen my chisels!!

    • @joshuaodear
      @joshuaodear 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Every time I see a video like this, I think about sharpening.

    • @derekstephens6768
      @derekstephens6768 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yup with you there buddy. Funny how chisels work better when sharpened correctly.

    • @SeanBlader
      @SeanBlader 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Not only that, but we have to remember we're looking at an Olympic level woodworker, so any stroke we even take will look atrocious in comparison.

    • @HistoricHomePlans
      @HistoricHomePlans 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was going to make the same comment!

    • @kelvinsparks4651
      @kelvinsparks4651 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I watched this and thought man I need to build my workshop then I can sharpen my chisels lol ( we moved house a year ago and my beloved man cave was left in the hands of another lol 😭🤣)

  • @goranhikl1180
    @goranhikl1180 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Never fails to amaze me with the simplicity of solving problems

  • @diceblue6817
    @diceblue6817 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I stunned at how much I learned, and how much I realized I now understood about the obvious implications of the chisel geometry... what a great 4:49! Amazing!

  • @nablo5208
    @nablo5208 3 ปีที่แล้ว +126

    Rule N. 1: Make sure your Chisel is extremely sharp

    • @raytry69
      @raytry69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Rule #2: Make sure your both hands behind the chisel's edge.

  • @wrstew1272
    @wrstew1272 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Paul- I almost cried when you used that pretty piece of straight grain wood for a demonstration. That stuff is really hard to find around where I live. But it was a great lesson!

  • @JCInverso
    @JCInverso 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Thank you, Paul. I never thought of making scallops with a chisel. Looks like I’ve got some practicing to do. I really appreciate your great advice. Stay healthy.

    • @TheUnijacker
      @TheUnijacker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Its not as easy as he makes it look! :)

  • @gg_2377
    @gg_2377 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Holy crap this guy is a wizard. Thank you!

  • @mikekernjr5121
    @mikekernjr5121 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Watching and learning from you Professor Sellers is like getting a doctorate degree in woodworking for free.

  • @chrisgriffith1573
    @chrisgriffith1573 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for that explanation and brilliant demonstration. Sometimes, the best learning experience for a novice are the things Masters take for granted!

    • @Eralen00
      @Eralen00 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's what separates a great craftsman from a great teacher. A great craftsman knows what he's doing, a great teacher knows why

  • @SpareRoomMusic12
    @SpareRoomMusic12 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love these basic tutorials - often forgotten in a world of power tools. Like anything, you should know the basics first. This gets my subscription.

  • @ClownOnVacation
    @ClownOnVacation 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You have taught your students the most information in the least amount of time. Bravo

  • @petebryant
    @petebryant 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    lordy what a joy to watch a sharp chisel in the hands of a craftsman

  • @Mr2Xri
    @Mr2Xri 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The most quick and simplified explanation about to use Bevel up or Bevel Down with a Chisel! Many thanks Mr. Paul!!!

  • @melanieenmats
    @melanieenmats 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thanks so much Paul. I'm in my third year of messing about with wood, but I've learnt almost everything from you! My passion is equal parts: making boxes, studying craftsmanship history, and meditation.

  • @chriskeeble
    @chriskeeble 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel for those that never get to be taught by you, Paul. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience, and in such a fantastic, concise way.🤟

  • @lumberjill6598
    @lumberjill6598 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm just getting into using chisels for more than scraping glue. Got a whetstone sharpening set and watched Mr Sellers sharpening video over and over. My first attempt... the chisel is so sharp ninjas should fear me! Thank you Mr Sellers!.

  • @woodfather
    @woodfather 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Question, opening a can of paint: Bevel up or down? 😉
    I'd love more than anything to have in-person woodworking lessons with Paul, but at the same time, I'd be way too intimidated to touch a tool near him. 😂
    He makes them sing, so fun to watch.

    • @markarmstrong2592
      @markarmstrong2592 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree a Master makes you nervous but it would be a pleasure to learn one on one with Mr Paul Sellers

    • @nagranoth_
      @nagranoth_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      och, it makes me cringe so hard when people abuse their chisels like that

    • @woodfather
      @woodfather 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nagranoth_ rest assured, I'm just joking 😆

    • @nagranoth_
      @nagranoth_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@woodfather I know, but we've both seen people do it...

    • @carbon1255
      @carbon1255 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nagranoth_ Its just a chisel. Its not like using a set square as a hammer. A chisel is hardened steel and well structured, if it did get damaged they are pretty easy to sharpen.
      To answer the OP bevel down.
      And so you know I've never used a chisel for opening paint, as that is the job of a flat head hand screwdriver. chisels I'd expect to be too thick to get into many paint tins. But it is fine for workshoppers to complain about the wrong tools when everything is within reach. When you are doing work with limited toolbox and at pace you use what you have. Getting the job done well and at pace comes before looking after your tools. You can polish them when you get home.
      I'm not sure what you think will happen to a chisel if it touches a soft metal paint tin.

  • @antonhan4815
    @antonhan4815 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He's looks and sounds younger in each new video. And still a great teacher.

  • @critbyte
    @critbyte 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    paul, you make the chisel look like the best tool in the shop!

  • @allonsyuk
    @allonsyuk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am not a carpenter. I am not a master craftsman. My expertise is electronics and software but I have always loved making stuff in my garage. A lot of the furniture in our house is made from recycled wood claimed from skips and from freecycle. I have always been a fan of power tools to do the work but more recently , thanks to your videos and similar others I am turning more and more to hand tools. I had forgotten how much more pleasurable shavings are to sawdust!. In fact I recently needed to make a load of lap joints. They needed to be fairly accurate to minimise filler so I made a simple hand plane utilising a chisel and it it was actually way easier and more controllable than my electric router! Keep these type of videos coming.

  • @patmash
    @patmash 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Best handling of a chisel I have seen to date by anyone. Thank you sir for the helpful tips.

  • @chikokishi7030
    @chikokishi7030 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i appreciate that you just threw away a piece of good material for our benefit. thank you.

  • @larry78cj7
    @larry78cj7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wasn’t going to watch this video because I know how to use a chisel. I was wrong, awesome Paul! Thanks.

  • @ginadew9180
    @ginadew9180 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not a carpenter, I don't do woodwork, but fascinated and unknowledgeable about the chisel. Today this Pro has satisfied me somewhat - feeling blessed x

  • @chrisraman5596
    @chrisraman5596 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr Sellars ,Its been a very steep learning curve for me but a joy to watch you using those beautiful sharp chisels. Iwas inspired by your tutorial on sharpening chisels and I have copied you. My chisels are now very sharp and cut wood like butter. I have a long way to learn a lot and hence please keep producing more of your courses and I love to learn from them.May God bless you and keep on teaching.

  • @mattevans-koch9353
    @mattevans-koch9353 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you Paul for quick tutorial on the best methods for using a chisel. For such a simple tool there is a lot of function. Take care and stay well.

  • @charlieevergreen3514
    @charlieevergreen3514 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Learned about the chisel bevel direction from Paul earlier, and I use his advice every time I chisel anything. Thank you, Mr. Sellers!

  • @frankhill9527
    @frankhill9527 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the education on when to use a chisel bevel up or down. Very enlightening.

  • @JustinPittman
    @JustinPittman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great tips, Paul!! Much appreciated. I wish I could get my chisels that sharp!! Man, oh man... Fantastic work.

  • @beachthor1
    @beachthor1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Highest quality video, no nonsense, pleasant accent

  • @tdevinda
    @tdevinda 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the last part. Its so complicated yet so simple.

  • @cumuliform
    @cumuliform 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you, Paul. I have learned a great deal from your videos, and I keep returning for your matter-of-fact presentation of skills I can really use. There is a whole cottage industry of TH-camrs who take your ideas and attempt to capitalize on them, but no one seems to do it as well.

  • @bradleytuckwell4854
    @bradleytuckwell4854 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your chisels are razor sharp the timber looked like butter. You make it look so easy
    thanks for sharing that was so in formative.love your channel

  • @robomoto5550
    @robomoto5550 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Thank you for making it. Your expertise astounds me. I was taught bevel down at school but it hasnt always worked for me.

  • @foxfire8284
    @foxfire8284 ปีที่แล้ว

    The first ever "carpentry tool" I had was a pocket knife that I stole from my dad. I was a little boy and my "workpiece" was a little table. From that point on I fell in love with carpentry. I'm only 17 ( almost 18) and I've started to collect some antique tools. Most, if not all, of which are considered carpentry tools. I am only sure of the possible age of one of them, and that would be my Miller's Falls No. 2A eggbeater drill. They were made from 1938-1957, so it is likely the oldest thing I own ( most of everything I own is at least 20 years old. My truck is 21 and runs pretty good.) The drill itself really only needs a redo on the paint job, the chrome needs redone ( I'm not sure if it is a layer of chrome or if it's chrome paint), and the wood needs a little care. It is really clean and has pretty much no rust at all. The crank "bar" broke before I got it, idk how. I know so because someone welded the screw and the bar together.

  • @TheVonhollan
    @TheVonhollan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I have been watching you for years. I always enjoy your knowledge of tools and how to keep them maintained. Keep up the good work!

  • @BeADad2447
    @BeADad2447 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the videos you make! I'm in awe at the knowledge woodworkers have. What's special is that many of us will be showing our sons. Thank you

  • @j.d.1488
    @j.d.1488 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I was a kid I worked in a glass shop. We had that heavy wide Stanley #55 chisel. All the old timers said to use it with bevel down when cleaning out old wood widow sash putty beds. They felt the bevel up can tend to dig deeper and damage the bed and damage the stiles in upper sash. The old guys jut used their arms and chopped out the old putty. Rarely used a hammer to strike butt. It was a knack for sure.

  • @jimmcmahon8817
    @jimmcmahon8817 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This guy really is the chiselmeister! My chiselling never works out this way!

  • @dantco
    @dantco 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Look out Mr. Chisel...you're gonna get used today. As soon as the sun comes up!!!
    Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge. Knowledge that was once learned through YEARS of WORK is a huge help to me as I found woodworking (hobby) later in life.

  • @mgabbard
    @mgabbard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love watching your videos, Paul. Your gentle demeanor and skill make it look so effortless!

  • @Brown969
    @Brown969 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Mr Sellers.

  • @corymiller9854
    @corymiller9854 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have loved your vids and been inspired to make more things with hand tools. I got my grandpas old handsaw and sharpened it up. Turns out hand carpentry was in my family and it has awaken a creative side in me. I build decks, sheds and fences for a living and use mostly power tools. But faster is not always better:] and i was taking wood for granted slightly. I have harvested some trees and made some boards with my table saw which was a pain:] But now i have special lumber for your unique projects.

  • @scottbrodersen6819
    @scottbrodersen6819 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Watching your video on making a mortise and tenon joint, I realized for the first time how the bevel acts as a wedge/lever (it seems obvious now). Since then I've been experimenting with the orientation of the bevel and learning how it works. An amazing tool!

  • @pedroclaro7822
    @pedroclaro7822 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have this playlist just for exquisite pieces of video, and this is going in it.

  • @scottroy6195
    @scottroy6195 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Seriously shows what years of practice will get you.

    • @melanieenmats
      @melanieenmats 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's just like watching a masterful musician.

  • @jelmo1057
    @jelmo1057 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really appreciate you sharing your knowledge and wisdom. Few others ever talk about the various applications for bevel up or bevel down. Great explanation, clear and concise and helpful to understand how a chisel truly works so you understand the best application of the bevel.

  • @davehark101
    @davehark101 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr Sellers your skills are timeless, your touch and the way work such a simple tool like a chisel.

  • @davestoltzfus4417
    @davestoltzfus4417 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You always make it look so easy. Thank for sharing.

  • @pupasfever
    @pupasfever 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i could be hours sitting here listening & learning, very short but helpful video, thanks Paul.

  • @ermir.romaku
    @ermir.romaku 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You really are an excellent teacher!

  • @kelvinsparks4651
    @kelvinsparks4651 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your vast experience and life skills make it look so easy Paul. Great video.

  • @Eralen00
    @Eralen00 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic information! Even a simple tool like a chisel can be very versatile in the hands of a master. Thanks for teaching us

  • @MrJono1999
    @MrJono1999 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What an amazing video, concise and expertly explained

  • @BatCaveCreations
    @BatCaveCreations 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Paul..... YOU ROCK! Thank you!!!!!

  • @kieranfoster902
    @kieranfoster902 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved all of the explanations, but the mortising demonstration was particularly brilliant. Thanks as always.

  • @dathaniel9403
    @dathaniel9403 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Such a simple thing, which way to turn your chisel when using it, but it makes a huge difference. Thank you.

  • @bruce-le-smith
    @bruce-le-smith 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    amazing video, so much high quality advice packed into a short amount of time, thank you

  • @michaelbibby01
    @michaelbibby01 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    you make every cut look so easy!

  • @doedeldidoedelda
    @doedeldidoedelda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To the point, informative and just impressive how effortless and precise you work with this chisel. Now I know I've got a long way to go 🤗

  • @jaxrai7912
    @jaxrai7912 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chisel is so complicated yet so simple!

  • @Ampersand00
    @Ampersand00 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A true master at work.

  • @LikelyToBeEatenByAGrue
    @LikelyToBeEatenByAGrue 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You have such skill in every part of what you do. It take you two seconds to produce what it would take me five minutes and a lot of hand wringing and you get way better results. Thanks for the tips. I almost never use the bevel down but I will give these techniques a try.

  • @robertzverina7181
    @robertzverina7181 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve spent the last 20 years getting handy with power tools for a livelihood but dream of quieter times in a woodshop doing it by hand... Have you ever been to Amish country? Hand tool paradise...

  • @timfowler4642
    @timfowler4642 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Experience you have is great. Easy to understand. Thanks

  • @oldmanofcotati
    @oldmanofcotati 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Outstanding presentation and demonstrations. I learned so much from this video. Thank you Mr Paul.

  • @tonyo.8623
    @tonyo.8623 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I certainly learned something today! Thank you

  • @couerleroi1
    @couerleroi1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir, you are a great teacher

  • @MarcosElMalo2
    @MarcosElMalo2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was taught to think of the bevel edge as a pivot or fulcrum on a lever. As the sharp edge cuts the wood, the chisel wants to pivot up when you have the bevel slide down.

  • @heyimlate5656
    @heyimlate5656 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Best video I've seen on this. Thank you.

  • @jhans3278
    @jhans3278 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! The best explanation I ever heard. Thanks, Paul.

  • @russcorbett3923
    @russcorbett3923 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video with a ton if tips that can be used in the real world !!!
    Thank You !!!!

  • @imranh5395
    @imranh5395 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good ol Paul Sellars, keeping it nice and simple 👍🏼

  • @eggster71
    @eggster71 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Not sure how I missed this.

  • @lesdrinkwater490
    @lesdrinkwater490 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Top class tips. Thanks Paul

  • @waynemahler2015
    @waynemahler2015 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your videos are so informative. Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge with the rest of us.

  • @robertsantana5245
    @robertsantana5245 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This man is a god with the chisel

  • @bhaskarpnair
    @bhaskarpnair ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent well explained video.... ❤❤❤❤Lots of love..... Thank you so much dear Sir....

  • @OutOfBoxCollector
    @OutOfBoxCollector 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing! I learned so much in 1 short video!

  • @uwishpal
    @uwishpal 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are a master Paul, thank you.

  • @darrenhesketh8355
    @darrenhesketh8355 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    brilliant advice as usual

  • @antonoat
    @antonoat 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always a joy to learn from a real master, thank you Paul.👏😀👍

  • @wallingj68
    @wallingj68 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I could see this turning into one of those video's where it shows you doing something like the scallop, and then me attempting to do the same thing with less than stellar results. Practice makes perfect though!

  • @David_K_Dickson
    @David_K_Dickson 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, Paul.
    Stay safe. Stay healthy.

  • @Membee
    @Membee 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Paul. This is a question that has always been on my mind. Good to finally have it answered.

  • @billc6087
    @billc6087 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is excellent information, thanks!

  • @boutellejb
    @boutellejb 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So straightforward and clear. Thank you!

  • @brianmiller6304
    @brianmiller6304 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Outstanding......again. Thank you.

  • @macmurfy2jka
    @macmurfy2jka 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, that dato demo!

  • @albertograppolinibushcraft2603
    @albertograppolinibushcraft2603 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Precious tips. Thanks for sharing

  • @thomo74
    @thomo74 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

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  • @equiposequinos2414
    @equiposequinos2414 3 ปีที่แล้ว

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