In Florida, we can't relocate live Beaver. So I told FWC that I relocate every beaver I catch....to my freezer. They taste like beef, but you have to steam them for 45 minutes, to be able to cut the meat with a fork. By the way...I turned into a ADC trapper with 8 DVDs, one is "Catching The Numbers". So far, I am the only one in the area that gets them all the first time. Because I'm 70 and am permanently disabled (fake knee & bad hip), I trap from a canoe most of the time. But i do get out of the boat for Dambreak and Caster Sets. First I became a Meat Trapper with Tim. Liked it so much, I started buying DVDs from Top Trappers. I learned so much from your DVD that the others didn't cover. Thanks for putting out that DVD.
@pauluminous Our state lost a lawsuit where there were deaths caused by the beaver on a flooded road. I had a land owner who's husband had died and her only major source of retirement income were her pine trees. The beaver flooded and killed thousands and thousands of dollars worth. In Worth county during the flood of 98 over $500,000 in washed out roads was directly attributed to the beaver. Know of over 50 irrigation pond dams which have been washed away or had major repair due to beaver.
@opcn18 I never said that there were no beaver in georgia prior to 1960. You deducted that. There were beaver along the major waterways but very few in the interior until after the screw worm was iradicated in 1960.
@opcn18 I have looked. Most folks don't like change. My church has a soup kitchen , but I think town folk would think us abnormal if we offered beaver even though it is just as nurishing as deer or beef.
@pauluminous Your right, it is the wallet. That family had to pay for the casket. That lady lost part of her retirement. A homeowners association in Thomasville had to spend over $ 75,000 in repairs to there lake dam to prevent the possible breech of their dam to prevent mass destruction down stream.The farmer wouldn't be able to irrigate his crop, so he might lose it. The state hwy dept had to spend thousands and thousands to repair the hwy on 84 because the beaver weren't caught. Road caved.
@kirkdekalb In addition to that think about this... our livestorck greatly increased the amount of animal biomass for screwworm flies to lay eggs in. Any problem that screw worms presented for a wild animal living amidst a hunter gatherer society would be greatly magnified by living in the midst of a pastoral society. If you manage to show that SWFs were able to extirpate beavers from Georgia at the hight of our animal rearing it does not follow that SWFs had a significant impact before that.
@opcn18 The bulk of the change man has done here has improved the lives of the people living here. The beaver on the other hand due to under trapping or the shear high numbers and type of terrain are creating havoc especialiy in wet years. Their benifit in high numbers is far out weighed by the uncontrolled destruction they do. Our climate south of Macon and terrain increases the affect beavers have here. To explain in detail would take a book of the thousands of experiences I witnessed.
@tew0114 It is against the law here to move live beaver.I put a water controlling device in my beaver duck pond. Plug up 2to 3 weeks before season. It is fit right into middle of beaverdam. New pair come in winter and maintain dam. I catch in spring. that way they don't kill trees in summer.
@ulcohatchee1959 Haven't done work for a "Timber Company" or on "Saw Mill Timber Land " for YEARS! Most of the land here is owned by private individuals and farmers. You need to go further away to get to the bulk of the timber company owned land. I would like to see much more hard wood. Don't blame the timber companies. The forest service has been promoting pines for as long as I can remember. The FSA office in their programs specify Pine. One thing about it, is renewable.
@opcn18 I never said that there were no beaver in georgia prior to 1960. You deducted that. There were beaver along the major waterways but very few in the interior until after the screw worm was iradicated in 1960.Simply google screw worm usda and read old data. It is the most acurate do to the fact it was written by those who experienced it. at the time. I know many individuals living today that told me of the screw worm devistation when they were younger.
The problem is that beavers profoundly alter the landscape. We went in and extirpated them, then divided up the land and grew timber and built roads and didn't realize that we were making terrible decisions and now we have to hold the beaver populations down and use creative technologies like "pond levelers" in order to not suffer the terrible consequences.Humans naturally want to remove most of the large animals because they change things, but that leaves us vulnerable to trophic cascade. suck
@ulcohatchee1959 Crawford county has much poor soils and steeper terrain than the counties I work. It used to have beautiful hard woo draws. They are different now. Now. That explains the disgust you have. One of the problems was the lack of knowledge 30 to 40 years ago as to what is best to harvest in that terrain and soil. There are factors in place now that change that. The problem, it takes a life time.
@opcn18 Traps are checked daily. It is against the law to sell the meat and nobody has asked for it except a gator farmer, but the state stepped in and stopped that give away.You must live in another country or part of the U.S.with little background here. My experiece is based on thousands of areas holding beaver over many years in many different states.
@kirkdekalb I will happily believe that there was a period before 1960 where screw flies kept the beaver population down but I'd be very surprised if that lasted more than a few decades naturally and expect that it would have more to do with livestock keeping screwfly numbers artificially high.
@ulcohatchee1959 I am afraid you have read the wrong book or maybe haven,t spent much time in a beaver swamp here with cyprus. I have seen many a felled cyprus tree in "every" beaver swamp. One of the biggest complaints that leads to calls from home owners, is the beaver cutting down thier newly planted cyprus. You must live in a different part of the country than here. Where I made sets yesterday the dams are plugged with cyprus trees and cuttings from the beaver.
@opcn18 I have been looking hard for evidence. I have a professional friend in town who's hobby is to read old southern journals and diaries. He told me he has never read a mention of a beaver in the journals. You have to remember, we didn't vaccinate our pets and animals before the 1960's. Their diseases don't pass to the wild like it use to. Also the screw worm annilated animals in the deep south prior to 1960. Check for yourself. Your eyes will be opened a little wider.
@pauluminous No, basicly they build dams,causing silting, killing timber and flooding roads. In many cases is irreversible. I come in catch them, allowing the property to drain normally and be managed to the fullest extent for the benefit of man. My comments are based on first hand accounts in such number very few in North America have witnessed.Not from a book,computor, or conversation. I reccomend attending a National Trappers Convention to meet some of the other true enviromentalists.
@kirkdekalb I was thinking that you were further south (Georgia) and I'm not sure why, Looked up your site and it says Ohio. Now Ohio was right in the middle of where the French fur trappers went in the 17th century , and I'd imagine that they extirpated the beaver, but the record of their existence in the area lives on in the form of the Shawnee Beaver clan and beaver artifacts from the shawnee and other tribes that lived in the ohio river valley.
@kirkdekalb well locusts are an intermittent problem. If screw flies were keeping them out of the ohio area for hundreds or thousands of years then they would have also kept them out of the other areas around ohio where I know beavers where. We extirpated beavers and now we have let off the pressure so they are coming back. If they were extirpated by the French then you wouldn't expect there to be any american journals that mention them, so I find myself unmoved by the lack of journals.
@ulcohatchee1959 My son fixed it in a crockpot in college with potatos and gravy. He didn't tell them what it was until after they were finished. They gave him rave reviews. Thought it was roast beef.
@kirkdekalb Firstly, because of the vagaries of language you also deduce using inductive reasoning. It is easily deduced that screwworms would reduce beaver populations, and that removing screw worms pressure on those populations would lead to explosion, it does not follow from that logic that there were no beavers in central Georgia before 1960. also one of those books I linked to contained verified accounts of beavers in florida, Those populations would die first if it were flies not traps.
@kirkdekalb goo DOT gl/HKEvT talks about beavers goo DOT gl/LWsor is a list of books and articles from before 1900 that talk about Gerogia and beavers, most of them aren't on subject but several of the ones found on the first page talk about "The beavers currently in georgia" or contain accounts of beavers in South West Georgia where it was thought that there were none, or the trading posts established from Maine to Georgia to sell beaver pelts.
@ulcohatchee1959 Just my cage traps. We start making a new model next week to sell. It looks like standard cage trap, but can catch the animal on it's side, right side up, upside down. in water, under water or vertical. Has a wire trigger. I have a few cage traps out to get video for promotion.
@opcn18 The Georgia DNR fact sheet is not accurate. You will find that out with a little RESEARCH. The referencing used on relocating beaver does not show the historical significance to the areas where the beaver were relocated. Read published data an old journals relating to the time period and you will find the information provided not accurate. Also study the habits of the screw worm fly and you will have a better understanding. It can't be done in a few sentences.It takes Hours and days.
@opcn18 The records show none for hundreds of years, that I can find or others looking for actual record. It is "AGAINST THE LAW" to sell the meat here. The Beaver must be killed before it can be removed from the location trapped, by state law. Our state has lost lawsuits involving the laxed involvment in protecting the public from beaver. People have died along the roadway here, due to flooded roads caused by the beaver. It is documented.
@opcn18 I had for gotten. About a half mile from where the bulk of this video was taken , at the worth- Turner cot line, there is a Farmer who owns some chicken houses and property than joins this by the road. He told me of a bull they had when he was a boy that got the screw worms. He said they shot him due to the infestation. His exact words "When he hit the ground a five gallon bucket full fell off of him". He is one of the, still living, that can tell of the horror they caused.
@kirkdekalb I live in the far north, and do not have experience dealing with your state. I'll bet that you could find someone who would love the meat if you spent some time looking. Maybe give a church a call and ask the pastor to find you a soup kitchen that wants them.
@opcn18 I am afraid your perception is not valid here. We have areas with little elevation change throughout the southern part of the state. A series of beaver dams floods any and every thing. I have seen no "actual" documented evidence that beaver were very common in the "Deep" south. Just books written telling us they were. Have never seen diaries or ledgers of purchase that specified that beaver were caught in numbers ever here prior to the 1960's. Only ledgers depicting more northern buys.
@opcn18 Screw worm fly prior to 1960 killed up to 90% of new borns in parts of the south. They literally ate them alive. Some old documents claim all wild animals were affected during certain years.Do a little research.Never had a request fot the meat. Tastes like a cow when fixed properly.
@kirkdekalb Publications of the Alabama Historical Society: Miscellaneous ..., Volume 1 By Alabama Historical Society goo DOT gl/w8FcM talks about a large collection of beaver dams 15 miles up a tributary to the flint river that meets it at about 32 15' north, I think that means they are talking about a large population of beavers in macon county. This is post frensh trappers too, which means that the historical population would be much higher than the english speaking authors would have seen.
@opcn18 Your research skills are lacking. Read the old journals. Also read about the rocky mountain locust and there profound effect in herding the animals such as buffalo due to the way they ate the folage in the late 1860's and 1870's. The screw worm also was brought west at the same time due to the railroad expansion. There is also old journals referencing insects the eating of the living flesh of the wounded in the civil war. Do more research. We don't have that now.
@kirkdekalb What was keeping them out of the deep south if not for humans eating them? That's my point really. Only we keep them out, and that means that we will have to keep them out, or suffer the consequences. As for the meat can you eat it? Or give it to a soup kitchen or Women in Crisis shelter? I can certainly see why you wouldn't want people moving live animals, I just hate to see good meat go bad. At the very least I'd think it could be chopped up and fed to dogs at the pound.
@kirkdekalb, that would be something that I had inferred rather than deduced, but if that was not your argument then what is wrong with the original comment I made on this video?
@kirkdekalb I think the problem is that we are thinking in different time scales. I'm talking about time as measured in hundreds or thousands of years. Beavers were in the south before people could write, and there are certainly middens that show that native americans ate them prior to european contact. I have no moral objection to them being trapped (though looking at your other videos it seems you aren't checking your traps often enough to reclaim the meat, which I dislike).
@opcn18 At least give me info that I might and others read to respond. Give the books that have journals or records written prior to 1900 in georgia. They had photographs then. Where are they of numbers of georgia beavers prior to 1900. Give the book name and author. Not someone that lived later and said things were as they were. How about news paper articles of the catches in the south. Name one that can be VERIFIED. Show beaver from the interior of the state not the Tennessee river system.
Ignorance is no excuse. My point is easily deduced . After the screw worm was eliminated in 1960 all animal populations skyrocketed in the south. That is pure fact. At the same time since turtle poulations have not increased in relationship to water area. Why , we have a gazillion predators that weren't around prior to 1960. Google screw worms in Texas. Google screw worms in Florida.. There is no other conclusion. Scew worm flies migrated along rivers and streams affecting all animals.
@kirkdekalb So where are you? So that I can look it up. If it's Georgia (which I was thinking it was, the accent sounds like Georgia to me) I submit as evidence this list of places with "B" names from Georgia kenkrakow DOT Kom DASH gpn DASH b.pdf Some of which have histories stretching back to the 1700's (look on page 16) and this informational fact sheet from Georgia DNR georgiawildlife DOT Kom DASH node DASH 741
@opcn18 My website is thorough , It give news paper articles and reference. I don't know where you get the Ohio stuff. Look for yourself. Even you tube has video on screw worms. I believe under monsters inside me "screw worms" Your lack of not wanting the truth is evident in your posts. Texas has journal after journal of refernce to screworms. Iowa has doctors journals telling of them killing people by entering through the nose. Research: spend a little time of your own not mine.
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In Florida, we can't relocate live Beaver. So I told FWC that I relocate every beaver I catch....to my freezer.
They taste like beef, but you have to steam them for 45 minutes, to be able to cut the meat with a fork.
By the way...I turned into a ADC trapper with 8 DVDs, one is "Catching The Numbers". So far, I am the only one in the area that gets them all the first time.
Because I'm 70 and am permanently disabled (fake knee & bad hip), I trap from a canoe most of the time. But i do get out of the boat for Dambreak and Caster Sets.
First I became a Meat Trapper with Tim. Liked it so much, I started buying DVDs from Top Trappers. I learned so much from your DVD that the others didn't cover. Thanks for putting out that DVD.
@pauluminous Our state lost a lawsuit where there were deaths caused by the beaver on a flooded road. I had a land owner who's husband had died and her only major source of retirement income were her pine trees. The beaver flooded and killed thousands and thousands of dollars worth. In Worth county during the flood of 98 over $500,000 in washed out roads was directly attributed to the beaver. Know of over 50 irrigation pond dams which have been washed away or had major repair due to beaver.
@opcn18 I never said that there were no beaver in georgia prior to 1960. You deducted that. There were beaver along the major waterways but very few in the interior until after the screw worm was iradicated in 1960.
@opcn18 I have looked. Most folks don't like change. My church has a soup kitchen , but I think town folk would think us abnormal if we offered beaver even though it is just as nurishing as deer or beef.
@pauluminous Your right, it is the wallet. That family had to pay for the casket. That lady lost part of her retirement. A homeowners association in Thomasville had to spend over $ 75,000 in repairs to there lake dam to prevent the possible breech of their dam to prevent mass destruction down stream.The farmer wouldn't be able to irrigate his crop, so he might lose it. The state hwy dept had to spend thousands and thousands to repair the hwy on 84 because the beaver weren't caught. Road caved.
@kirkdekalb In addition to that think about this... our livestorck greatly increased the amount of animal biomass for screwworm flies to lay eggs in. Any problem that screw worms presented for a wild animal living amidst a hunter gatherer society would be greatly magnified by living in the midst of a pastoral society. If you manage to show that SWFs were able to extirpate beavers from Georgia at the hight of our animal rearing it does not follow that SWFs had a significant impact before that.
@opcn18 The bulk of the change man has done here has improved the lives of the people living here. The beaver on the other hand due to under trapping or the shear high numbers and type of terrain are creating havoc especialiy in wet years. Their benifit in high numbers is far out weighed by the uncontrolled destruction they do. Our climate south of Macon and terrain increases the affect beavers have here. To explain in detail would take a book of the thousands of experiences I witnessed.
@tew0114 It is against the law here to move live beaver.I put a water controlling device in my beaver duck pond. Plug up 2to 3 weeks before season. It is fit right into middle of beaverdam. New pair come in winter and maintain dam. I catch in spring. that way they don't kill trees in summer.
@ulcohatchee1959 Haven't done work for a "Timber Company" or on "Saw Mill Timber Land " for YEARS!
Most of the land here is owned by private individuals and farmers. You need to go further away to get to the bulk of the timber company owned land. I would like to see much more hard wood. Don't blame the timber companies. The forest service has been promoting pines for as long as I can remember. The FSA office in their programs specify Pine. One thing about it, is renewable.
@opcn18 I never said that there were no beaver in georgia prior to 1960. You deducted that. There were beaver along the major waterways but very few in the interior until after the screw worm was iradicated in 1960.Simply google screw worm usda and read old data. It is the most acurate do to the fact it was written by those who experienced it. at the time. I know many individuals living today that told me of the screw worm devistation when they were younger.
The problem is that beavers profoundly alter the landscape. We went in and extirpated them, then divided up the land and grew timber and built roads and didn't realize that we were making terrible decisions and now we have to hold the beaver populations down and use creative technologies like "pond levelers" in order to not suffer the terrible consequences.Humans naturally want to remove most of the large animals because they change things, but that leaves us vulnerable to trophic cascade. suck
@ulcohatchee1959 Crawford county has much poor soils and steeper terrain than the counties I work. It used to have beautiful hard woo draws. They are different now. Now. That explains the disgust you have. One of the problems was the lack of knowledge 30 to 40 years ago as to what is best to harvest in that terrain and soil. There are factors in place now that change that. The problem, it takes a life time.
@opcn18 Traps are checked daily. It is against the law to sell the meat and nobody has asked for it except a gator farmer, but the state stepped in and stopped that give away.You must live in another country or part of the U.S.with little background here. My experiece is based on thousands of areas holding beaver over many years in many different states.
@kirkdekalb I will happily believe that there was a period before 1960 where screw flies kept the beaver population down but I'd be very surprised if that lasted more than a few decades naturally and expect that it would have more to do with livestock keeping screwfly numbers artificially high.
Good video. I wish somebody would post some fact based videos on how animals peacefully pass away in the wild.
Watch F&T's North American Trapper's new show every Wed. at 6pm eastern and 11pm thursdays on ICTV dish channel 230.
@ulcohatchee1959 I am afraid you have read the wrong book or maybe haven,t spent much time in a beaver swamp here with cyprus. I have seen many a felled cyprus tree in "every" beaver swamp. One of the biggest complaints that leads to calls from home owners, is the beaver cutting down thier newly planted cyprus. You must live in a different part of the country than here. Where I made sets yesterday the dams are plugged with cyprus trees and cuttings from the beaver.
@opcn18 I have been looking hard for evidence. I have a professional friend in town who's hobby is to read old southern journals and diaries. He told me he has never read a mention of a beaver in the journals. You have to remember, we didn't vaccinate our pets and animals before the 1960's. Their diseases don't pass to the wild like it use to. Also the screw worm annilated animals in the deep south prior to 1960. Check for yourself. Your eyes will be opened a little wider.
@pauluminous No, basicly they build dams,causing silting, killing timber and flooding roads. In many cases is irreversible.
I come in catch them, allowing the property to drain normally and be managed to the fullest extent for the benefit of man.
My comments are based on first hand accounts in such number very few in North America have witnessed.Not from a book,computor, or conversation.
I reccomend attending a National Trappers Convention to meet some of the other true enviromentalists.
@kirkdekalb I was thinking that you were further south (Georgia) and I'm not sure why, Looked up your site and it says Ohio. Now Ohio was right in the middle of where the French fur trappers went in the 17th century , and I'd imagine that they extirpated the beaver, but the record of their existence in the area lives on in the form of the Shawnee Beaver clan and beaver artifacts from the shawnee and other tribes that lived in the ohio river valley.
@kirkdekalb well locusts are an intermittent problem. If screw flies were keeping them out of the ohio area for hundreds or thousands of years then they would have also kept them out of the other areas around ohio where I know beavers where. We extirpated beavers and now we have let off the pressure so they are coming back. If they were extirpated by the French then you wouldn't expect there to be any american journals that mention them, so I find myself unmoved by the lack of journals.
@ulcohatchee1959 My son fixed it in a crockpot in college with potatos and gravy. He didn't tell them what it was until after they were finished. They gave him rave reviews. Thought it was roast beef.
@kirkdekalb Firstly, because of the vagaries of language you also deduce using inductive reasoning. It is easily deduced that screwworms would reduce beaver populations, and that removing screw worms pressure on those populations would lead to explosion, it does not follow from that logic that there were no beavers in central Georgia before 1960. also one of those books I linked to contained verified accounts of beavers in florida, Those populations would die first if it were flies not traps.
I like what you had to say here Kirk. Very well done.
@kirkdekalb goo DOT gl/HKEvT talks about beavers goo DOT gl/LWsor is a list of books and articles from before 1900 that talk about Gerogia and beavers, most of them aren't on subject but several of the ones found on the first page talk about "The beavers currently in georgia" or contain accounts of beavers in South West Georgia where it was thought that there were none, or the trading posts established from Maine to Georgia to sell beaver pelts.
@ulcohatchee1959 Just my cage traps. We start making a new model next week to sell. It looks like standard cage trap, but can catch the animal on it's side, right side up, upside down. in water, under water or vertical. Has a wire trigger. I have a few cage traps out to get video for promotion.
@opcn18 The Georgia DNR fact sheet is not accurate. You will find that out with a little RESEARCH. The referencing used on relocating beaver does not show the historical significance to the areas where the beaver were relocated. Read published data an old journals relating to the time period and you will find the information provided not accurate. Also study the habits of the screw worm fly and you will have a better understanding. It can't be done in a few sentences.It takes Hours and days.
@opcn18 The records show none for hundreds of years, that I can find or others looking for actual record. It is "AGAINST THE LAW" to sell the meat here. The Beaver must be killed before it can be removed from the location trapped, by state law. Our state has lost lawsuits involving the laxed involvment in protecting the public from beaver. People have died along the roadway here, due to flooded roads caused by the beaver. It is documented.
@opcn18 I had for gotten. About a half mile from where the bulk of this video was taken , at the worth- Turner cot line, there is a Farmer who owns some chicken houses and property than joins this by the road. He told me of a bull they had when he was a boy that got the screw worms. He said they shot him due to the infestation. His exact words "When he hit the ground a five gallon bucket full fell off of him". He is one of the, still living, that can tell of the horror they caused.
@kirkdekalb I live in the far north, and do not have experience dealing with your state. I'll bet that you could find someone who would love the meat if you spent some time looking. Maybe give a church a call and ask the pastor to find you a soup kitchen that wants them.
@kirkdekalb We are clearly thinking in different time lines. I'm thinking more in the scope of thousands to millions of years, 70 years is nothing.
@opcn18 I am afraid your perception is not valid here. We have areas with little elevation change throughout the southern part of the state. A series of beaver dams floods any and every thing. I have seen no "actual" documented evidence that beaver were very common in the "Deep" south. Just books written telling us they were. Have never seen diaries or ledgers of purchase that specified that beaver were caught in numbers ever here prior to the 1960's. Only ledgers depicting more northern buys.
@opcn18 Screw worm fly prior to 1960 killed up to 90% of new borns in parts of the south. They literally ate them alive. Some old documents claim all wild animals were affected during certain years.Do a little research.Never had a request fot the meat. Tastes like a cow when fixed properly.
@kirkdekalb Publications of the Alabama Historical Society: Miscellaneous ..., Volume 1 By Alabama Historical Society goo DOT gl/w8FcM talks about a large collection of beaver dams 15 miles up a tributary to the flint river that meets it at about 32 15' north, I think that means they are talking about a large population of beavers in macon county. This is post frensh trappers too, which means that the historical population would be much higher than the english speaking authors would have seen.
@opcn18 No where on my site does it say "I" am from Ohio you must have read something I did not post.
@opcn18 Your research skills are lacking. Read the old journals. Also read about the rocky mountain locust and there profound effect in herding the animals such as buffalo due to the way they ate the folage in the late 1860's and 1870's. The screw worm also was brought west at the same time due to the railroad expansion. There is also old journals referencing insects the eating of the living flesh of the wounded in the civil war. Do more research. We don't have that now.
Pixiedawg shut up and let the guy do what he wants he's a beaver trapping legend
@kirkdekalb What was keeping them out of the deep south if not for humans eating them? That's my point really. Only we keep them out, and that means that we will have to keep them out, or suffer the consequences.
As for the meat can you eat it? Or give it to a soup kitchen or Women in Crisis shelter? I can certainly see why you wouldn't want people moving live animals, I just hate to see good meat go bad. At the very least I'd think it could be chopped up and fed to dogs at the pound.
@kirkdekalb, that would be something that I had inferred rather than deduced, but if that was not your argument then what is wrong with the original comment I made on this video?
@kirkdekalb I think the problem is that we are thinking in different time scales. I'm talking about time as measured in hundreds or thousands of years. Beavers were in the south before people could write, and there are certainly middens that show that native americans ate them prior to european contact.
I have no moral objection to them being trapped (though looking at your other videos it seems you aren't checking your traps often enough to reclaim the meat, which I dislike).
@opcn18 At least give me info that I might and others read to respond. Give the books that have journals or records written prior to 1900 in georgia. They had photographs then. Where are they of numbers of georgia beavers prior to 1900. Give the book name and author. Not someone that lived later and said things were as they were. How about news paper articles of the catches in the south. Name one that can be VERIFIED. Show beaver from the interior of the state not the Tennessee river system.
Ignorance is no excuse. My point is easily deduced . After the screw worm was eliminated in 1960 all animal populations skyrocketed in the south. That is pure fact. At the same time since turtle poulations have not increased in relationship to water area. Why , we have a gazillion predators that weren't around prior to 1960. Google screw worms in Texas. Google screw worms in Florida.. There is no other conclusion. Scew worm flies migrated along rivers and streams affecting all animals.
@kirkdekalb So where are you? So that I can look it up. If it's Georgia (which I was thinking it was, the accent sounds like Georgia to me) I submit as evidence this list of places with "B" names from Georgia kenkrakow DOT Kom DASH gpn DASH b.pdf Some of which have histories stretching back to the 1700's (look on page 16) and this informational fact sheet from Georgia DNR georgiawildlife DOT Kom DASH node DASH 741
Awesome vid Kirk, hopefully some anti's think the same.
@kirkdekalb
I think you're confusing the benefit of mankind with the benefit of a man's wallet.
@opcn18 My website is thorough , It give news paper articles and reference. I don't know where you get the Ohio stuff. Look for yourself. Even you tube has video on screw worms. I believe under monsters inside me "screw worms"
Your lack of not wanting the truth is evident in your posts. Texas has journal after journal of refernce to screworms.
Iowa has doctors journals telling of them killing people by entering through the nose.
Research: spend a little time of your own not mine.