Best Pedal to BOOST a MESA BOOGIE | High-Gain Sound Comparison | Gear Corner
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How to get a really tight high gain sound? Even though some will say "just use an amp that's tight enough and leave the stupid pedals", most high gain players have a different opinion. Using an overdrive pedal in front of the amp is not only about the tightness. It's the initial attack and the CHUG. :) Let me know in the comments below, what you think about the sounds in the video.
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Timestamps:
Introduction
00:20 The pedals
00:57 Amp settings | Mesa Boogie Mark III
01:14 SONG MIX | All the pedals compared
02:30 ROUND 1 | Comparison | Palm mute
03:02 The guitars
04:00 ROUND 2 | Comparison | Rock LP
04:50 What happens to the amp's sound?
05:09 About the Tube Screamer...
05:39 ROUND 3 | Comparison | Shred lick
06:17 About the Archer...
07:02 ROUND 4 | Comparison | drop C# riff
07:37 About the REVV G2...
08:34 ROUND 5 | Comparison | Dad rock LP
09:24 About the BOSS OD-1...
10:40 About the Xotic Super Clean Boost...
Gear used in this video:
(the Bitly links are Thomann affiliate links.
Purchases made from these links support this channel.
It doesn’t cost you extra, so please feel free to use them)
-Gibson Les Paul Custom Shop '58 reissue bit.ly/2FxKvek
-Barocsi Exploder (used to be a Harley Benton EX-76;
heavily modified, refinished, Gibson parts and Grover tuners)
-Ibanez TS808 Tube Screamer: bit.ly/2OsWtJU
-J Rockett Archer overdrive: bit.ly/2Ges1z8
-REVV G2: bit.ly/2NbpV9R
-BOSS OD-1
-Xotic Super Clean Boost: bit.ly/36fsHka
-Mesa Boogie Mark III head
-Universal Audio OX BOX bit.ly/2IyOeuj
-One Control Agamidae switcher: bit.ly/2YZgiib
-Ernie Ball cables and strap: bit.ly/2Io0dfg
-Cordial CRI series cables: bit.ly/2XiVLBR
-Evidence Audio patch cables: bit.ly/2Ixylo1
Other gear I use in my videos:
-Fender Telecaster Custom Shop '53 reissue
(a similar custom shop tele: bit.ly/2KFVJld)
-Harley Benton Fusion-II Roasted SSP bit.ly/31FVawf
-Gibson Les Paul CM 2015 - heavily modified (thin nitro refin; Lollar Dog Ear P90; Emerson electronics)
-Barocsi Troublecaster - Custom built T-style guitar with Gretsch Filtertrons
-Barocsi "Frankenstrat" (2000 Fender American Standard body + Warmoth neck)
-Tate FX Antares overdrive www.tatefx.co.uk/
-Walrus Audio D1 Delay: bit.ly/2W4McqU
-REVV Dynamis 7/40 head: bit.ly/2IxwoId
-Coppersound Foxcatcher: coppersoundpedals.com/
-Supro Tremolo bit.ly/2Zpxn75
-REVV G4: bit.ly/2ZhxX39
-Walrus Audio Lillian phaser: bit.ly/3czfxB8
-Analogman King of Tone www.analogman.com/
-Tate FX Raise the Dead Germanium: www.tatefx.co.uk/
-Source Audio Nemesis delay: bit.ly/2Dft6Gd
-Dunlop Gypsy Fuzz pedal: bit.ly/2VKw4K0
-SIB Nick Nitro (discontinued, you'll find it used)
-ENGL Fuzzyhead Fuzz: bit.ly/2QrjmPU
-Morgan 1x12 cab Twilight: bit.ly/2KFihDq
-NUX SOS Looper bit.ly/31TMxPx
The speech mic:
-SENNHEISER MKH 416: bit.ly/2w1EAMP
Audio Interface:
-Audient iD44: bit.ly/2Jo73zN
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1:21 no boost
1:31 tube screamer
1:40 archer
1:50 g2
2:00 od-1
2:10 super clean
Really great comparison Kris, but ultimately it just shows that the Mesa sounds already fantastic without any pedals. And (sad to say) that the pedals don't make much (if any) difference.
It didn’t change the sound much but I bet the feel was way different.
The problem is that it seeks to boost the sound, people place the pedals in front of the amp, obviously the only thing they achieve is to alter the signal that enters the pre amp, the difference would be great if they used the effects loop, which is the power. of the amp, on the amp front the effects seem to be dead, the opposite of the amp power where the effects are felt in such a way that they even eat up the distortion channel, even from a triple rectifier. Not to mention that when you send them to the front the pedal loses: Color, Expression, Sustain, Gain.
Its True! That's why I have always bought them. They sound great straight into the amp, no pedals. I use a Studio .22 and I try pedals with it all the time. It sounds best most of the time without anything, maybe a little reverb, but that sound is "baked" in and its always there as soon as you plug in!
That clean boost is sooo special
Wouldn’t have thought that
Wow!
Have a good New Year and all the best for 2021 to you and your family
OK, I got it. That's why you have them all. It's really hard to choose the one to rule'em all. Each one is good and in different songs you use different pedals, I guess. Great video, cheers!
Great guy, great playing, great videos👍
I loved the Archer on everything but was really surprised by the OD1 and the Xotic boost. Great playing and tones!
I was looking for a good boost pedal for my red stripe Mark III…..came across your video, immediately bought the Archer…..sounds AMAZING. It takes the amp’s tone and …..makes it better. It doesn’t color the tone, it actually enhances it. Awesome video! I’m also gonna get the Xotic clean boost.
I agree with you, and great video!
Hey Kris, it’s great to see you put out such awesome guitar content, plus your English has improved so much since the early Thomann days. Congrats and keep up the good work!!
Thanks man! 🙌 I remember shooting my first Thomann videos. It just all felt really awkward. Haha! Practice helps apparently. Cheers man, happy new year!
I was going to say, that clean boost sounds insane!!!!!!! The explorer sounded great through it. Specially on the mix. I liked a lot the tone with no pedals too.
I liked the Ts 808 on the Les Paul a lot.
Happy new year Kris! big ol Ts, i really dig what they do to valve amps, I have both 808 and Ts9, I preffer the ts9, but just personal feeling because hey are both great. That being said, I'm now into booster pedals, I like that clean boost, but I really like the dallas rangemaster, I'm gonna build one myself, let's see ;)
What wonderful tones & a super demo! MKIII what an amazing amplifier!
Thanks a lot! And absolutely yessss! What. An. Amp!! :)
I have Matthews Effects Architect V2 (klon type), TS9, and a custom made overdrive pedal (MP Custom Fx), and i play Mesa Boogie Mark V, and usually i use one of these pedals to tighten second channel on my Mark V, which is my favorite channel, regardless of how awesome mark iv and iic+ modes are on the third channel. That being said, after watching this video, i am almost certain that i need to get that Xotic Super Clean Boost, that thing just sounds awesome, that's the wow factor for me, that boost, headroom and uuuumph effect, man i will need to buy one. On a side note, is the link in the description affiliate link, because if it is i will gladly use it to buy Xotic Super Clean Boost:) Great video Kris, your videos are perfect, and wish you all the best!
AWESOME!! My favorite was definitely the Archer. Cheers, my friend!
Cheers buddy! :)
They all sounds great. No surprise really going into a great Mesa amp.
But to my ears. The OD-1 has a snarly mid thing that makes it sound different to the others. The Archer was like a smoother sounding TS had a nice sizzle.
The Xotic clean boost sounded great on its own but I think it might not cut as well through a band or in a mix.
The G2 seems like the ideal boost because you can really fine tune the EQ to taste and to suit your guitars.
I would really have liked to hear you try an eq pedal along with these to get the same effect. An inverted V shape and boosted level on a eq pedal should give a very similar sound to a typical TS style Overdrive.
Great video as usual Kris.
The barocsi exploder looks awesome dude!!! I think the Clean boost was the best in the mix but all of them were great!!
Man, that clean boost sounds spectacular with the Mark, with a slight preference on the explorer. Wow, what a sound.
I vote for the Clean Boost or the Archer. I think they both sounded Great for what you were playing. Thanks Kris and Happy New Year!!!
I think I have to agree with you. Those two also felt awesome whilst playing. Happy new year Rick!
I have a Mesa Mk. V and I’ve always struggled to find a boost that I like with it. I got a Jackson Golden Boy for Christmas and can’t wait to try it out. I have to say though, I really loved the Exotic Super Clean. That may be exactly what a Mesa needs, I mean I bought it because I love the sound so maybe just more of it is exactly what I’m looking for.
I play through a 2x12 Roadster combo. I've tried a few pedals over the years, tube screamer 808 reissue, blues driver, and finally MXR's Precision Drive by Horizon Devices. That last one was the game changer, at least for a darker and muddier sounding amp like the Roadster. What really was the saving grace was adding a MXR 10 band EQ in the loop and the boost in front of the amp. Now even at bedroom volumes it chugs like crazy. You're amp already has EQ sliders so you may not need anything more than the classic V sweep and a good boost. Mesa's are some of the best and most frustrating amps i've played. You'll get some great tones but it might take 4 months to tweak it to perfection, or in my case 12+ years!
You should try the JHS Prestige pedal!!! It sounds awesome though my Mesa Boogie Mark lll !!! It doesn't color the sound when used. It is kind of a boost or an Expressor. It only has one knob that I set at 10 o' clock to get a very nice boost!!!
Loved the OG metal growliness of the OD! The best one out of those that I would buy has to be the Xotic Super Clean, I would love to run my Gretsch through that bad boy!
I thought the G2 and OD sounded the best. The tube screamer took things the wrong direction. The clean boost would be a great choice in any situation too.
IMHO the super clean takes the cake.
I thought the clean boost was awesome, worked great with every example you played. It's much like my SoloDallas The Schaffer Replica pedal, which is my always on boost pedal. I thought the other of pedals all sounded great, especially the tube screamer and the archer, rev was pretty good as well. The Boss, like you said, sucked out a lot of bass but could be useful in some instances. I find my tube screamer is good at that as well, brightens my humbucker guitars. My tube screamer is a ts9, I didn't know there was different models. Is there much of a difference between the ts9 and the 808?
Super clean and Archer sound great. Tube Screamer and Revv as expected bump the mids. OD-1 does its usual
Hey, I really enjoy your videos. I am trying to find a solution to the effects loop tone suck issue on my Mesa Triple Crown 50. I have the same issue on my Roadster. Once you use or engage the loop the guitar tone quality diminishes quite a bit. Any solutions besides not using it?
Hi. Thanks for the interesting showcase. I think the Mesa sounded best without any of the pedals. That’s a tasty amp for that style in this video. Otherwise I would choose the clean boost as it sounded great too. When using it as a buffer, where in your chain is it positioned? And lastly, happy new year. All the best for 2021.
Thanks s lot, happy new year to you too! I use the Super Clean as a buffer in front of my board, unless I have a fuzz on. Then I have to use it after the board. Cheers
I've had the Archer for years, but it's off my boards. My base tone is transparent breakup, and I add a mid focused pedal cranked for solos. Sd1w or Green Rhino work for me. Archer is sweet stacked into a soft clip pedal, but not after it, so I can't get the volume lift I need for solos. Am I just not using it right Kris?
I love Klon style pedals. It seems like they work with everything. I have a Tumnus but I see an Archer in my future.
Archer for me from this lineup.
I own a mark V and favour either a soul food or more recently a prince of tone (DIY kit). That just sounds absolutely insane.
You have a good ear. It is a subtle difference but really nice!
I have a "son of boogie" and the tumnus really made it "shine." Amazing amp and pedal. I have been longing to try an archer on it for a better comparison.
I like putting a Boss ST-2 set to the cleanest setting with a little level push in front of mine, bass and treble cut a bit to emphasize the upper mids. Alternatively, an MXR micro amp sounds nice.
Great Video! I am a big fan of your channel!
My opinion is the Boss is the best in the mix but alone I liked the Archer the most.
You are German right? Where can I buy clear coat for my parts telecaster guitar build here in germany?
I am not experienced in painting guitar at all.
Greetings from Chemnitz
Hey Marc, I’m not German but I live in Germany. 🙂 Try gitarrenbastler.de. The guy has great nitro (and other) finishes. I always buy my stuff there. Cheers
Super Clean for the win. I'm not sure what Xotic does to get that 3D sound, but I run 2 of them. I run a TC Spark mini in loop as a solo volume boost. Super Clean is an always on pedal. I use a Super Sweet as my high gain overdrive. The super sweet replaced an OCD V1.7. I run these with a 94 Tremoverb Head.
Well I am so put out that you think the LP needed any pedal!!! I just can't even....... /jk This is a tough one for my old ears and with this dollar 2.98 set of ear buds made it so close for me. The Barocsi Exploder I did think sounded its best with the Xotic Super Clean Boost but both guitars sounded great in all the pedals just a tad different for me. I had my ear on The Archer as I just picked up a Soul Food in a trade yesterday so want to see what that does with the '74! As usual man this was a gooden! Be well and Happy New Year!
I have a JCM 2000 DSL100 and a JCM 900 High Gain Dual Reverb 50w 4500 and I run both with a Friedman Buxom Boost which with that alone improves the amps but I got a Behringer Vintage Overdrive 0800 i believe it's called and that takes both amps up an extra notch
The Archer sounds killer as does the Super Clean! Great video, Chris! I boost my Mark IV with a Wampler Tumnus, EP Booster, or Xotic Super Sweet.
Nice pedal choices man! 💪 Thanks for watching and rock that Mark IV! Cheers
@@KrisBarocsi Thanks so much! I actually sold the Mark IV for a limited edition JP2C! It absolutely slays!
Man.... I would love to see you do a classic VH settings/tutorial of this particular amp....
The clean boost with a compensation of the extra low end with the graphiq EQ
You might be interested in Russian AMT pedals, they have fancy Legend Amps 2 series. They are preamps, but they also can work as overdrive/distortion pedals. And also they have cabsim output. I don't know why do i recommend them, they didn't pay me :) just interesting devices
I use my SD-1 with my Mark III. Just brings out that pick attack I like.
If you find a tube screamer too mid focused and/or fizzy, I highly recommend checking out the Wampler Clarksdale. It’s a tube screamer circuit with a mid and low end EQ added so you can sculpt your tone more. In addition, it has an added circuit that features more high and low, and is Iess compressed. I have it on my board as a tube screamer option and I love it. I don’t want to come across as pushing it but I can’t help but mention it when I hear someone feels a tube screamer is too mid focused.
Oh also... a Pepers Dirty Tree is cool into a Mesa (particularly Rectifiers) if you really want a tighter metal sound.
Thanks for the tips Jon! I tried the Clarksdale and I loved it. I didn’t use it for high-gain bist though, gotta try it. Cheers man
Is MB the way to go if you are looking for a find similar to Prince?
Do you like the Ox or the Two Notes better?
Killer Explorer, man!
Thanks man! I will shoot a video about it soon. It has a really interesting story. 😉
Hi Kris, wnat l hear is TS = more gain, ARCHER adds lows to TS sound, REVV has more 'roomsound' the BOSS adds more depth to the roomsound...if they go from 0->4...the super clean has a little flatter sound than the BOSS....through my tablet and blackstar stereo40V2. NICE EXPLORER btw! On the Gibson differences here are less audible...
For the Mark series my favorite is the Ibanez TS-9. It's seems to be the one that kill the least the bass frequencies (between my own pedals). I love the Boss SD-1 for Dual Rectifier that have ton of bass but not with Mark amps. I doesn't like the maxon OD808 either with Mesa but love it with Marshall. The Mesa Grid Slammer is the only one that I can't find a purpose for any of my amps, I'm a bit disappointed for now.
Kris, try out a Barber LTD too boost it. It matches wonderfully with the III's (allthough all III users knows that boost is the last thing they need). Or actually uses the good old trick with them, pulling the channel 2 knob while using the lead channel.
Going to make some nice warming drink and hype myself for the OD-1. My guitar tutor once has it and did not like it as very dry sounding (yeah, he had Silverface Fender Twin, haha).
I love the OD-1 (just got it a few weeks ago). I’ll show it soon in a low gain Setup too. Cheers
In the mix, the difference is really really saddle. I think I like the TS808 best, but honestly they all sound cool. This is kind of a demonstration that, in the end, what you LIKE may vary but what you NEED in this situation is just "some kind of drive" to add a little boost.
In my experiences, Xotic pedals sound great with Mesa Boogie amps. Especially the BB Preamp!
Personal choice. KSR Eros is amazing with the Mark V.
Revv G2.
Suhr Koko Boost.
Archer is just a Klon or they have the Archer EQ.
I have friends who get unreal results with a TS and Precision Drive.
KSR Eros is incredible.
🌞🌞🌞💥🔨💫⚡️great vid!
The Archer and the Clean Boost
Honestly, with an amp like a Mesa/Boogie Mark series, any overdrive pedal is superfluous. You already have a massive amount of tone-shaping on tap in the amp, itself. But, if I were to pick any pedal to put in front of it, I’d go with a parametric eq, like the Tech21NYC Q\Strip. It’s not gain you really need, but eq shaping, with an amp like that.
I don't find the need to add dirt to Mesas, only a larger signal from the guitar to push them harder and a bit of low end control to keep it tight.
The Archer and Clean Boost sounded best to me. The Revv and OD seemed to add a layer of their own on top of the amp which sounded weird to me.
Maybe try some tube overdrives? nothing seems to sound as good and natural as the amps own distortion to me..
the Xotic is killer ! dont change the tone of the amp but add tightness and great tone
I love that boost so much. It’s always on the board. 👍
@@KrisBarocsi it would be nice to see a video all about the mark iii and the Xotic clean boost buffer !
Kris was the xotic as it came out of box I just read there’s a dip switch to change the tone
The OD-1 should have sounded best... it’s vintage and it’s full of fairy dust...right? Jokes aside, I think the Archer and the Clean Boost sounded best. Did you have the Archer on low gain (basically working as a clean boost)? I have also found the Analogman KoT works great with a distorted amp (I use it a lot with my Jubilee), probably because it is also full of fairy dust and elvish tears... ;-)
Archer sounds fine (y)
Bro i think you need to try my original boss od 1 silver screw 14 pin raya may 1978.with original box and paper.
Love that pedal.happy new year all the best in 2021.top player.
I’d love to do that. Mine is an ’81 unit. Happy new year!
@@KrisBarocsi the 14 pin is really something else.big fat mid.i will arrange for you to try it.have a happy new year brother.
@@vintagetone22 amen 🙌🙌😁 A good friend has a late 80s one. A comparison of these three would be a sick video 😍😲
Clean boost is my best
The differences are so minor, I don't know if in a live situation anyone will hear any difference at all (probably not), may a bat will LOL, thanks for the video
I have this amp and i was afraid that because of you i'll need another pedal 🤣😅🤣😅
That clean boost it is insane🤘🤘🤘
Haha! Yeah I absolutely love that Super Clean. Small, an awesome buffer too and great for boosting an overdrive sound. Happy new year dude! 🥳
@@KrisBarocsi Happy new year too!!! 🥳🥳
You don't need a pedal, just set it right.
So close but the pedal your lookin for is called MT-2 , maybe stack a few if one ain’t enough 👍🏽
Or just plug a REVV G3 into the pwr amp in and 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽💜💜💜💜💜🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽
Haha! Can’t wait for the new waza HM btw. Cheers bro
@@KrisBarocsi mmmetaaaaaalll haha Ha have a safe and happy new year’s Sir 🤘🏽
The clean boost sounds the best and is second only to the Mark IV by itself.
Archer and the Xotic boost for me
Ok first time seeing the video. I close my eyes and i feel the low cut on the mix. When i open my eyes there was the Od1 hahaha yeah makes sense, thats what it does
Good ears my friend. :) Yeah that’s what the OD-1 does. And I know a lot of amps that would benefit from that. Haha!
@@KrisBarocsi cool! Not that i have that nice ears, it just this one was more obvious of a change that the others. Now i wonder what a Bogner Harlow would do to a high gain channel...
Oh man great video, I'm trying to figure out how to tighten my Madamp a15 (diy 15watt american high gain with boost) toplay with a 7 string guitar. On its own it's great for regular tuning but on a seven with wide range bassy actives it gets flubby, tried a TS9 which makes it better but not there yet, and oddly enough an MT2 with the gain off does the job spectacularly, but gives it too much of an ice pick quality. At the moment I'm trying to decide on a rat, a precision (glorified TS), or a G3. Now you've gone and made me even more confused. :-D OD-1 could be the right answer But I dislike the quality of the grit it adds ... Help!!! :-D
Hey, the OD-1 (or even s current sd-1) could work, especially together with an eq pedal behind it. You could shape the tone with that to get rid of what bugs you. 🤷♂️ That’s what I‘d do I think.
@@KrisBarocsi Yes, thanks I'm waiting for a 10 band EQ to throw in the mix, then I could borrow my wife's OD-2. ;-p
MXR GT10. Mark Morton of Lamb of God using it
Mesa Boogie doesn't need a boost, for heaven's sake. If you need a chug, it can chug.
Revv G2 is the best in my opinion ^^
First Yeah!
Damn second me 😁
Well then... only third here. 😅
OD-1 wins. Now bring the BD-2 Blues Driver BD2 into the comparison and I think you're going to forget about the others. It pushes a "wider" set of frequencies than any of those pedals.
I thought the clean boost myself.
1st Archer
2nd Boss
No pedals and OD1
My humble opinion is that Archer sounds better.
When I saw the Line-up, I was expecting hard decision between G2 and Archer. But I liked the Super Clean Xotic by far the best. It just adds the right sparklea and fairie dust on top of great sound.
G2 sounded too Hifi to me, TS9 too chewy and compressed, OD-1 little bit dry (but very nasty in midrange, might sound great in a tight mix).
And Archer, for some reason I dont like Archer in any video ever. I like Tumnus, Mjolnir, Centura, Ryra Klon, original Klon and many others ofthese, but Archer to me always sound, like sucking life out of the sound 🤷. I wish I like it, as Im huuge Jrad fan, but cant be helped.
Special on Boss OD1 please
Coming up soon! I promise. Cheers!
Awesome 😍💋 💝💖♥️❤️
was too much gain. Low gain ist more important.
They all sound the same I don't hear any difference
Because boogies don't need OD
please don't drop your les paul... 3:36
I won’t, I promise. Haha!
😁😁😁
WHY..the amp does that all by itself...the only reason to use a gain boost with a Mark is if you are too lazy to switch channels (I own a Mark V 90 watt..Triaxis and used to own a Studio Pre...so I DO know what I am saying) (that being said I have a Clean boost TC spark and Tube Screamer type (Krank Krankshaft..the BEST tube screamer knockoff...tooo bad they dont make em anymore)..NEVER NEED TO USE THEM>>>but if I did, they sound amazing(I actually do use them on the Triaxis and that is for the cleaners modes)..ALL a mark really needs is an outboard EQ and you can get it to do anything you want!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..just what I said..NO DIFF..an EQ would have done as much and BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!