The Siamese Dream Drum Sound by Smashing Pumpkins | What's That Sound? EP 28
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- With a wall of fuzzed out guitars, getting Jimmy Chamberlin's drums to cut through the mix was no easy feat. In this episode of 'What's That Sound?', Noam & Jessica try to unlock the sound of the Butch Vig produced 'Siamese Dream'. How close did they get?
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Those guitars have a real “we have Smashing Pumpkins at home” energy. Great job on the drums, though. 🥁
They had to change the parts.
Gotta avoid that copyright takedown!
Jimmy Chamberlin is definitely one of the best drummers of the '90s and the alternative scene in general, he had such a unique style and is still one of my absolute favourite drummers
Lol
yep gotta love those snare rolls
you talk funny
@@fuckcensorship69 How, a lot of people consider him one of the best drummers from the 90s
@@andrewpappas9311 "the alternative scene"
I love how Jimmy always followed Corgan's rhythm guitar instead of just playing a straightforward beat. It always gave the Pumpkins songs an infectious bounce, but also really fused a swing sound effortlessly with rock music.
There a quote from Billy, I’m paraphrasing but he says you should be able to listen to the drums by themselves and know what song it is.
Killer drumming, as always. It's too bad the copyright system is what it is. The guitars being close but tweaked to avoid a copyright strike threw me for a loop at first until I realized why y'all were playing it differently.
Jimmy Chamberlin's drumming on this album taught me a huge amount about how expressive a snare can be, especially in such dense music.
I love Jimmy Chamberlin’s drumming style and sound. He said the Pumpkin’s always record to analog tape which means his dynamics and time always has to be on point. So cool!
I'd love to see a breakdown of the drum sound from Damaged Goods by Gang of Four or just the whole Entertainment album in general !
These videos are just gold, so good! Thanks guys!
These videos are a lot of fun. Great work.
Really appreciate the very thorough explanations on this one!
When I first heard Jimmy Chamberlin's style and sound I thought jazz. It's hard to mimic in a rock setting. Jessica was spot on and you guys got it. It's about the playing and recording. It's all about the feel.
Great work, Jessica! Killer playing and presentation work! The Reverb channel always does awesome stuff
Chamberlin used a bunch of snares, but as he says in Modern Drummer interview you can definitely hear the Radio King on Today verses, along with his usual Pearl Free Floating 6.5" in the heavier chorus, which is a bit less dry than the hammered Ludwig here. Sounds like the Pearl or similar drum is what he used on Cherub Rock. Also to be pedantic, the snare higher in the mix here (very common nowadays) and the kick has way less beater than on the record.
Great stuff. I'm always amazed how light Jimmy plays.
Very, very cool. Educational, and a joy to listen to. That whole album is a masterclass in rock recording creativity.
Awesome work! Especially with the sample! describing it as a gunshot sound is super accurate.
Great job guys!
Don’t stop doing these videos they’re so great
This is such a great series.
There's an isolated track on YT of Jimmy's drums. Super grooving, and very very live. Sounds recorded in a very live room and the drums are wide, wide open, no muffling whatsoever.
You can also hear it in the making of Siamese Dream video on the veuphoria dvd.
It was a very live sounding room.
th-cam.com/video/B1dYe1CbENA/w-d-xo.html
Love these videos. I would be very interested to hear a bit more from Jessica about drummer's perspective on what she is doing to emulate the sound. things like; how hard she is hitting, rim shots or not, bashing or not, choice of sticks, heads, cymbals, and drums.
Jimmy is such a nice guy too! He kept us laughing after their Cenqo De Mayo show in Mexico City a couple years ago
Jimmy is not only a musical genius and an absolute antenna / transmitter of emotional energy through rhythms but also very melodic and sensitive in a orchestral or classical music kind of way. He really takes time to get the drums sounding right and the Siamese Dream album has nice clarity and punch, an idealized studio sound.
I love how his snare can sit comfortably in the mix and whenever he hits extra hard or flams the rim it bursts through the mix. I have the jimmy yahama share and his sound can be found in many snares when played right but it's a big sounding snare. It makes my pacific kit sound small compared to the snare.. but it's great.
05:44 - "to do that we taped a 57 and an AKG451 together..." using an entire roll of gaffers tape. 🤣 That kick sound is awesome by the way!
That was super accurate! Congrats you guys. Please more 90s. Oasis, definitely maybe era (not wonder wall era). The Owen Morris mixes have all kinds of tricks.
How about a review of all 50 guitar tracks on any Be Here Now song?
Excellent as always, guys! Now do In Utero or I’ll start a riot
Jimmy is the GOAT.
Such a bad-ass and versatile drummer!
Great video. An important factor I don't see discussed a lot in these drum videos is tuning... The tuning of the drums is really important to this sound (and pretty much any drum sound).
Do Rid of me by PJ Harvey please!!!
one of the best ones.
Great video! Would love to see if y'all could recreate the drum sound from MBV's Only Shallow. I myself have tried and failed too many times.
It's a pretty killer sound! Main thing I'd recommend is keeping the snare bottom kinda low but boosting a shitload of 2-5k on the top mic. Be careful if there's gonna be hi hats involved though
You guys totally nailed the snare sound, tuning, tone, EQ, everything, it sounds amazing. The kick sounds a lot more punchy on the record though. I think it would have been better to put that RE20 all the way inside the kick drum rather than have it at the port, and maybe EQ some more upper mids into it.
These videos always make my day and inspire me. Amazing work as always! I would love to see you guys try to recreate the drum sound of Dookie by Green Day
Excellent. I would love to see the legendary Low drum sound or Downward Spiral. Legend has it they created their own samples for Downward Spiral and used all kinds of studio magic.
Taping a 451 and a 57 together, used that many a time. YEeeees! Vindication!
Awesome!
Nice!! I'm still waiting for a recreation of the In Utero/Steve Albini Drum Sound!
Great Video. 😃👍.
There’s a segment in the Pumpkins “Vieuphoria” where they go to the studio in Atlanta. There are some brief glimpses of the room with full drumset. I remember seeing Overheads (2 u87 or u67) in an X/Y configuration over the kit. And a similar pair in an A/B in the room. Makes more sense for a mono snare/kit sound.
Check it out in the TH-cam link. If you pause just right in a few moments you’ll see it.
Pretty close sound here tho.
I'd pay money to see Reverb show the recording and mixing process of iconic song recreations.
Check out Produce Like A Pro - some GREAT album recording and mixing breakdowns WITH the actual engineers/ or producers themselves!! AIC/ Soungarden/ Foo Fighters/ Marilyn Manson/ Radiohead - FANTASTIC content and Warren Huart has the creds and awesome energy - Cheers!
@@bigkickleoWarren Huart is honestly one of my favourite people on the internet and one of the best interviewers I’ve ever seen. Always asks the right questions and only ever interrupts to get the guest to go into even more detail about what they just said
I love that 70's Gretsch kit.
Great video 👍That track you recorded is really weird; its so close my brain is like "... maybe this is just how Cherub Rock goes?!"
It honestly sounds like they did a Cherub-inspired track
It’s by the Damaged Gourds.
oooo mama got lucky today
constantly thinking about this drum sound ur so right
I enjoyed this more than i expected to when the video title popped up, thanks.
Albini next possibly? 😗😗 where is my mind, bone machine - pixies (surfer rosa) or possibly ‘oh!’ Or ‘doe’ By breeders (pod) would be amazing!
did you had the 414buls with it's back side pointed to the snare bottom on purpose? Maybe in Fig8 to reject the kick?
A dream episode! I loved the bit about the mono and centered snare and hi-hat, and never knew they use a sample. Are all the snare sounds on Siamese Dream combined with samples? That whole album is a production masterpiece.
According to the mixer Alan Moulder he said the blend of real snare to sample was probably about 70/30. The real snare and room mics are definitely more prevalent in the mix but the sample still adds a bit of extra “snap” to the sound and helps cut down on hihat bleed
love these, they're super helpful. famine asylum by nothing would be a cool one to do, or any other will yip drum sounds really
Would love to see your take on the “Hard to Explain” drums by The Strokes. Just saw an interview where the producer said he just physically distanced the elements of the kit and then processed the pants off it but I have no idea how on earth it could have gotten there!
As a drummer, I always just figured a drum machine was used on that song. I’m curious now.
@@jeffrose1854 I wish I could remember where the interview was that I saw, but apparently Julian wrote it to a drum machine but didn't want Fab to not play for a song on their first album so the producer dude (blanking on his name) found a way to make it sound like a drum machine
@@JohnLawrieTWS That's awesome! It's possible that it was played on a kit and then maybe a measure or two was sampled to get that insane consistency. The chorus section does seem to introduce a slightly more natural feel (crash ride is very hard to replicate convincingly). Thanks for the info!
Gonna go back and listen to see if I can discern a sampled snare in the mix. I never noticed it.
Overall, a good video. I do find the bass drum a little too round for my taste but I'll compare it to the record to see how accurate that sound is. I do remember seeing and reading about Butch's bass drum tunnel he would set up on Jimmy's bass drum.
Really great. Is there a chance the isolated snare examples got switched? I feel like when it said AKG, that's the 57 sound I'm so used to.
Before I listened to your take on this song I went back and listened to the original. When it got to the solo I was kind of underwhelmed because my memory was of something more epic and intense. As it was concluding I suddenly imagined that Billy Gibbons would have been an amazing and brilliant guest feature in a 21st century remake. I'm not sure if he could handle the non-shuffling vibe of the tune but his amazing high gain tone and pinch harmonic sensibility seem like a wonderful match. Billy Corrigan is a difficult person so maybe it would be doomed but I'd love to hear a sincere Billy Gibbons interpretation. Okay, I'll listen to the rest.
Very well done, once again. Esp. nice thinking with the two complementary snare top mics. Might have tried a mono room.
Regardless of whether it matches the record exactly, it's a bitchen drum sound - could be used in a modern track too.
Maybe add a touch more click/beater on the kick.
The bottom 414 facing down cardio or omni or 8? Great video!
Why was the 414 on the snare under back to front? was it in fig-8?
I know it’s not drums, but I think it’d be cool to recreate the piano sound from She’s a Rainbow
great video! can you attempt the fashion drum sound or the let’s dance drum sound by David Bowie?
😎👍💓🇺🇸💪🥁💣🔊🎼JIMMY!!!
Luv ya bro!
I assume you had to change the parts for copyright reasons? Too bad. Didn't you use the actual parts in the other videos? Or was it just isolated drums?
Sounds like if Hum wrote Cherub Rock
What about the Portishead drum sound from Mysterons? Nothing really quite like it
Do the drum sound of crawl by kings of leon
I challenge you guys to do Paramore, Riot, brand new eyes or self titled album would be great❤
Please hook us up with a breakdown of Gang of Four's damaged goods
Isn't the 414 on snare bottom placed backwards? it doesn't sound like it, but from experience the side that has the model number is the back and it looks like that is aiming at the drum, am I crazy?
maybe they put it in figure 8 mode. I did hear a lot of kick drum in it.
One of these Days by Camper Van Beethoven. Or really the drum sound on anything from Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart or Key Lime Pie.
Pretty please. :D
Please do "radio radio" by Elvis Costello next.
What happened to Jimi's Yamaha kit. He said it himself, the Yamaha kit IS the sound of that album.
If you search for "the unbearable likeness of manny" you can see exactly what mics were used and the kit too. Great playing and nice effort - I don't want to go further but y'know Jimmy had been playing Yamaha kits back in those days...
You can't make a video showing that getting the Smashing Pumpkins drum sound is accessible and then use the JC Signature snare which is IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND!
cherub hummer type sound
No sample pack this time?
There is! You can find it here: bit.ly/3PPkpbI
@@Reverb wooooo!
Please do deftones’ white pony
that will be $896 in shipping, thanks
I don't understand why they need to avoid a copyright strike for the guitar/melody but not the drum parts, what's the difference?
I think there's a longstanding industry convention that says that songwriting is essentially the lead melody and chord progression but everything else (including drums) is considered "arrangement" and is less protected and often considered less valuable. It isn't always fair and it doesn't make sense for some styles of music, but my understanding is that this convention got carried over from the early days of recorded music when artists didn't typically write their own material, but instead performed the work of professional songwriters.
It's not just convention, its how copyright law is drawn up! You just can't copyright a drum beat. It became a huge controversy in the 00's when Greg Coleman, who performed the legendary Amen break, died homeless coz technically only the topline (which was almost never sampled) was copywritten.
@@lightfuserunaway2508 Yeah, it was a similar situation for Funky Drummer, where James Brown got all the royalties even though the most memorable and lucrative part of the song was Clyde Stubblefield's drum beat (though thankfully, he didn't die homeless or hungry, and I don't think he ever went to court over it).
I say "convention" just because, imho, the laws reflect a certain cultural bias that makes more sense for some kinds of music than others. For example, in the great American songbook era, composition was largely separated from interpretation, arrangement, and performance, and those songs were all about top-line melody and chord progression anyway, so the system worked. On the other hand, there are genres like hip-hop, which often doesn't have any top-line melody, or roots reggae, where the bassline often carries the tune and could be considered the main hook.
Most drumbeats in use today probably shouldn't be protected by copyright because they've already been played thousands of times over in other songs. But every now and then, when someone plays something really original Funky Drummer, or 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover, I wish they'd "give the drummer some".
It all sounds good except I need more kick in the mix.
How about this new Paramore drum sound for "This is Why"?
I just watched their passionfruicover vid
Oh no
Why bro improvising the guitar part
How much longer is the world going to remain waiting for you to do a video on The Shaggs "Who Are Parents"?
Arguably one of the greatest songs ever written, and some of the best audio engineering in the entire history of modern recording. Shame on you for taking so long!
Usually you're uncannily close, but this time it feels that the recreated sound is too dry and dynamic, the original sounds much more compressed and "hi-fi", especially the snare, with more of the "room sizzle"..
Plus it was recorded in a HUGE room.
playing the wrong notes to avoid copyright?
It's like the great Thelonious Monk once said: "There are no wrong notes; some are just more right than others."
@@Reverb so, yes?! lol
So much tape for 2 snare mics 😂
phase.
Usually a lot of these videos are pretty close but to me this one sounds nothing like it. A for effort though!
The live mixing crew was just as meticulous. At their peak on the Machina Tour.
I don’t think he used those cymbals at all.
I love that snare sound....Ive always wondered what they did with their setup
Man, with a drummer like Jimmy and as specific a setup as he’s used for decades you guys kinda missed the mark on this one. Yes the overall mix is similar, but this is such a pared down version of anything remotely close to what he would’ve been playing in the early 90s. I think you could’ve gotten a little more in-depth with this kit, but maybe that wasn’t really the focus of this video.
Now you don’t need to record 100 guitar tracks, just play an EQD Hizumitas Pedal on full blast.
How about something from The National? Either “Abel” from Alligator or “Mistaken for Strangers” from Boxer. Very interesting band as the drummer and bass player are brothers, and the guitar players are identical twins (and one of them has produced the last few Taylor Swift albums).
Love this series, but for me this one is way off. Everything from low end to EQ to overhead mix to compression and reverb feels off to me! I don't get it, you often nail these
Let the Music Be - By Itself! Not Changing the Original! Just my advice..
Get a better drummer
Jessica is a great drummer, get better speakers or ears for that matter
Drums sound nothing like Jimmy Chamberlin. Btw, Reverb sucks
Sounds good although working in those ghost strokes with a sample seems to get a little lost.