Lindsay hearing you put words to the feelings and emotions around our bodies being a problem, and all these little things we would do to the detriment of our physical and mental health....I've been trying to put words on it for YEARS. Thank you so much!!! I've been working with a therapist on several things, how I feel about myself being one of them. Hearing you speak on your experience helped me so so SO MUCH. I cannot thank you enough, and I haven't even finished watching the video.
I absolutely loved the documentary and all that it brought to light. In 2015 my husband and I chose to homeschool our kids, but at the same time did not feel that our family fit in many circles… shiny happy people was very clarifying and validating. We are Christians and did not at all think that the documentary broad brushed everyone into that extremist category- it was excellent and my heart truly does go out to everyone who suffered from being raised under such extra biblical legalism.
Lindsey, thank you again for sharing your truth. I gain something new every time you talk. It helps me process my truth. We have so many parallels. Our PTSD responses are very similar too. Thank you for sharing the things that help you process your emotional responses. These are tools that help me as well. I am excited for the success in maintaining a successful marriage through this. I know this is an amazing accomplishment for you and your husband. I realize what a challenge that can be at a time. I count my blessings every day for being out with my husband for over 20 years, too. I wish you well.
Asking a young girl if she is a virgun is beyond in appropriate. I am very concerned Gothard could have abused a number of young ladies who have stayed silent to maintain thier privacy and not be judged. My heart breaks for everyone who had to deal with this misogynistic inexcusable conduct.
I love that you give the survivors their voices back in these informative and inspiring interviews, Erick! ❤👏 massive, massive kudos. Would you be interested in an interview talking about Michael and Debi Pearl and their twisted beliefs about children, marriage, etc?
Eric!!! You have no idea how excited I am you interviewed Lindsey! She mentioned it in her live yesterday and I cheered- I was in my garage working on a furniture flip. Thank you for giving us a voice! Us SHP people!!!! She mentioned the podcast and I told her I listen to you nearly every day (and while I’m driving on a business trip last week). Never feel you are doing this for yourself. I’m here listening and catching up on my Fundie stuff too. I talk about this pod cast to my therapist!
I attended Bill Gothard Seminar in early 1980s, already a Born Again Christian with a LOVE for the Bible. The few nuggets of Wisdom I gained was Gothards discernment on 'Taking Up Offenses' which I interpreted as an internal discipline of releasing negative emotions when observing either real or perceived injustices from 3rd party perspective. I had to learn the hard way that some of the depression I experienced was due to nursing anger towards these observed injustices until I learned to PRAY for these situations the GOD May BE GLORIFIED. ( Rom 8:28). This was long before the Dugger controversies, which are lessons to be learned but to guard one's heart and emotions on such matters.
Lindsay is a real survivor, I listened to this episode on the podcast and she was amazing. A strong woman with a great sense of morality. I wish her and her husband all the best for the future. May God bless them both.🙏🙏🙏
Ugh 😩 my sister went down that rabbit hole as a teen. I got sucked in briefly-that crew proselytizes relentlessly. She married into Southern Baptist family so it’s been a challenge. I watched Duggar’s on TV almost obsessively-I just kept thinking there’s something odd going on with these people and my sister is involved with these types of people and accepting their beliefs. She was sent to Gothards stadium seminar schooling by her in laws. As was everyone else in their circle. I just could not buy into any of it but I couldn’t put my finger on what exactly it was going on with them that felt off. When Josh Duggar perpetrating his abuse imploded the cover up resulting in scandal and the Duggar family’s cash cow TV image in question that is when a bell finally went off for me. OMG this IBLP stuff and Gothards Umbrella of Authority patriarchal theory was preached in the church my sister was involved with-I had heard it there. It was 70-80’s when all this began to accelerate. I bowed out of that scene fairly early on. She kept on going though not happy but insisting this was the ONLY way to live one’s life. I was the wayward sister-satan had touched given I was not under the Umbrella. Those in laws always creeped me out and they still do. Narcissistic leaders running cult like programs are hotbeds for exploitation and abuse. Now they’ve moved on into White Christian Nationalism. These are dangerous beliefs and movements that are really a cover for seeking power/control.
So glad you choose to leave. I became an atheist many years ago, and each year my path is more peaceful. As I reach the latter years of life, I’m not afraid of hell, it doesn’t exist.
I think, for our parents, they lived through the 60’s. And yeah, the world was going to hell in a hand basket, in their WASP-Y minds. And, here comes Bill, and those like him, with an extreme counter-culture. And, our parents drank the Kool Aid. In my case, my Dad did, but my Mom saw the 🐂💩 and wouldn’t let my Sad get away with it.
I worked on a case in Texas where a woman beat and starved a child to death "training him up in the word" Bill Gothsrd style. She even kept a diary. Christian homeschooling should be illegal.
Any home schooling should be illegal. Even the Mormons do this. The Ruby Franke case was similar with an extreme Mormon bent to it. Home schooling just gives abusive parents a ruse to keep their kids at home and cut off from the world to abuse them in the name of “raising them right.” Put the kids in public school or in a private religious school with public oversight and accountability to make sure abuse isn’t happening and being ignored.
Please everyone who lives in the U.S., VOTE AGAINST THEM TAKING OVER OUR GOVT, and forcing this to happen to every American! Vote Blue, all down the ballot to vote them all out of office and Stand up for democracy...it's our turn to fight for our own democracy at the ballot box this November! 🌊🇺🇲💯💙
My wife and I were ATIA parents for 3 years...we weren't predisposed to the fundamentalist life, but all of our friends were suddenly ATIA families. I'm convinced that Gothard'sapparent sincerity, confidence, and supposed gentle spirit, plus the quality of the printed materials, reassured a lot of us that this was a good path. When we got our first report card for the kids, "Divorced" was highlighted on the top of the report. My wife had been previously married to an abusive man. We realized every time our kids got their report they would see the mark of condemnation of their Mom and Dad. What did that have to do with our kids' educational progress? Was it to shame them?
Lindsay, Congratulations on escaping and living your best life!! How ironic that Gothard preached his trachings could keep children safe when he was a HUGE PREDATOR
Matthew 23:23-24 English Standard Version 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 24 You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!
When I was in Christian lifedom!! So many double standards and blurred lines. Areas made safe for a man to be "men" and "women" to some how take blame. I NEVER understood it. That was ALL church doctrine and Christian school BS. That message was not in my home so I was always confused. Lindsey is my home girl. Especially since we are the same age. She makes my conservative Christian Experience feel like I was at a liberal college. 😆 🤣 😂 The long summer camp example sort of gave me more of what the experience was. THAT SOUNDS HORRIBLE 😂😂😂😮.
Lindsay hearing you put words to the feelings and emotions around our bodies being a problem, and all these little things we would do to the detriment of our physical and mental health....I've been trying to put words on it for YEARS. Thank you so much!!! I've been working with a therapist on several things, how I feel about myself being one of them. Hearing you speak on your experience helped me so so SO MUCH. I cannot thank you enough, and I haven't even finished watching the video.
I absolutely loved the documentary and all that it brought to light. In 2015 my husband and I chose to homeschool our kids, but at the same time did not feel that our family fit in many circles… shiny happy people was very clarifying and validating. We are Christians and did not at all think that the documentary broad brushed everyone into that extremist category- it was excellent and my heart truly does go out to everyone who suffered from being raised under such extra biblical legalism.
Lindsey, thank you again for sharing your truth. I gain something new every time you talk. It helps me process my truth. We have so many parallels. Our PTSD responses are very similar too. Thank you for sharing the things that help you process your emotional responses. These are tools that help me as well. I am excited for the success in maintaining a successful marriage through this. I know this is an amazing accomplishment for you and your husband. I realize what a challenge that can be at a time. I count my blessings every day for being out with my husband for over 20 years, too. I wish you well.
Asking a young girl if she is a virgun is beyond in appropriate. I am very concerned Gothard could have abused a number of young ladies who have stayed silent to maintain thier privacy and not be judged. My heart breaks for everyone who had to deal with this misogynistic inexcusable conduct.
I love that you give the survivors their voices back in these informative and inspiring interviews, Erick! ❤👏 massive, massive kudos. Would you be interested in an interview talking about Michael and Debi Pearl and their twisted beliefs about children, marriage, etc?
Eric!!! You have no idea how excited I am you interviewed Lindsey! She mentioned it in her live yesterday and I cheered- I was in my garage working on a furniture flip.
Thank you for giving us a voice! Us SHP people!!!!
She mentioned the podcast and I told her I listen to you nearly every day (and while I’m driving on a business trip last week).
Never feel you are doing this for yourself. I’m here listening and catching up on my Fundie stuff too. I talk about this pod cast to my therapist!
Two of my favorite together in one place! Great interview.
Excellent content. Thanks so much for sharing! You are both wonderful, soulful people. ❤️❤️
I attended Bill Gothard Seminar in early 1980s, already a Born Again Christian with a LOVE for the Bible. The few nuggets of Wisdom I gained was Gothards discernment on 'Taking Up Offenses' which I interpreted as an internal discipline of releasing negative emotions when observing either real or perceived injustices from 3rd party perspective. I had to learn the hard way that some of the depression I experienced was due to nursing anger towards these observed injustices until I learned to PRAY for these situations the GOD May BE GLORIFIED. ( Rom 8:28). This was long before the Dugger controversies, which are lessons to be learned but to guard one's heart and emotions on such matters.
Lindsay is a real survivor, I listened to this episode on the podcast and she was amazing. A strong woman with a great sense of morality.
I wish her and her husband all the best for the future.
May God bless them both.🙏🙏🙏
Eric, Thank you! Lindsay, Thank you!
it was good to hear from her again. i am glad that she is doing well. I wish her well.
I just discovered your channcel You do great interviews and I love yo ur use of video clips. Great job, great channel!
🇨🇦👍 Thank you both for putting this no-win nightmare on so many levels, into words.
Thank you thank you. It’s so hard to get people out of that controlling mindset
Ugh 😩 my sister went down that rabbit hole as a teen. I got sucked in briefly-that crew proselytizes relentlessly. She married into Southern Baptist family so it’s been a challenge. I watched Duggar’s on TV almost obsessively-I just kept thinking there’s something odd going on with these people and my sister is involved with these types of people and accepting their beliefs. She was sent to Gothards stadium seminar schooling by her in laws. As was everyone else in their circle. I just could not buy into any of it but I couldn’t put my finger on what exactly it was going on with them that felt off. When Josh Duggar perpetrating his abuse imploded the cover up resulting in scandal and the Duggar family’s cash cow TV image in question that is when a bell finally went off for me. OMG this IBLP stuff and Gothards Umbrella of Authority patriarchal theory was preached in the church my sister was involved with-I had heard it there. It was 70-80’s when all this began to accelerate. I bowed out of that scene fairly early on. She kept on going though not happy but insisting this was the ONLY way to live one’s life. I was the wayward sister-satan had touched given I was not under the Umbrella. Those in laws always creeped me out and they still do. Narcissistic leaders running cult like programs are hotbeds for exploitation and abuse. Now they’ve moved on into White Christian Nationalism. These are dangerous beliefs and movements that are really a cover for seeking power/control.
LINDSEY, I watch you on Davie's channel. I would have believed 36 but girl 46!?!? You look great 😮
Thank you for your advocacy ❤
So glad you choose to leave. I became an atheist many years ago, and each year my path is more peaceful. As I reach the latter years of life, I’m not afraid of hell, it doesn’t exist.
The dress codes were insane!!!! (Says the girl whose cups were a Double D by the time she was a junior in HS).
I think, for our parents, they lived through the 60’s. And yeah, the world was going to hell in a hand basket, in their WASP-Y minds. And, here comes Bill, and those like him, with an extreme counter-culture. And, our parents drank the Kool Aid. In my case, my Dad did, but my Mom saw the 🐂💩 and wouldn’t let my Sad get away with it.
I worked on a case in Texas where a woman beat and starved a child to death "training him up in the word" Bill Gothsrd style. She even kept a diary. Christian homeschooling should be illegal.
Any home schooling should be illegal. Even the Mormons do this. The Ruby Franke case was similar with an extreme Mormon bent to it. Home schooling just gives abusive parents a ruse to keep their kids at home and cut off from the world to abuse them in the name of “raising them right.” Put the kids in public school or in a private religious school with public oversight and accountability to make sure abuse isn’t happening and being ignored.
Um, no it shouldn't 🙄
Please everyone who lives in the U.S., VOTE AGAINST THEM TAKING OVER OUR GOVT, and forcing this to happen to every American! Vote Blue, all down the ballot to vote them all out of office and Stand up for democracy...it's our turn to fight for our own democracy at the ballot box this November! 🌊🇺🇲💯💙
My wife and I were ATIA parents for 3 years...we weren't predisposed to the fundamentalist life, but all of our friends were suddenly ATIA families. I'm convinced that Gothard'sapparent sincerity, confidence, and supposed gentle spirit, plus the quality of the printed materials, reassured a lot of us that this was a good path.
When we got our first report card for the kids, "Divorced" was highlighted on the top of the report. My wife had been previously married to an abusive man. We realized every time our kids got their report they would see the mark of condemnation of their Mom and Dad.
What did that have to do with our kids' educational progress? Was it to shame them?
That is horrible. 💔
LOL "I felt like Anne of Green Gables"
Lindsay, Congratulations on escaping and living your best life!! How ironic that Gothard preached his trachings could keep children safe when he was a HUGE PREDATOR
Matthew 23:23-24
English Standard Version
23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 24 You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!
🦋🦋🦋
When I was in Christian lifedom!! So many double standards and blurred lines. Areas made safe for a man to be "men" and "women" to some how take blame. I NEVER understood it. That was ALL church doctrine and Christian school BS. That message was not in my home so I was always confused. Lindsey is my home girl. Especially since we are the same age. She makes my conservative Christian Experience feel like I was at a liberal college. 😆 🤣 😂
The long summer camp example sort of gave me more of what the experience was. THAT SOUNDS HORRIBLE 😂😂😂😮.
I am not an IFB, but I do agree the world is evil and falling apart.
Flipped Wisdom Booklets to a Bible Study because they have warehouses full of them to sell! lol
I support Christian Nationalism. It's good for our nation and society. We all need Jesus and to fallow HIS ways.