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French left defeats far-right in huge election shock | LBC analysed

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2024
  • After France's election twist, James O'Brien speaks to Paris Bureau Chief for The Economist, Sophie Pedder.
    A Left wing coalition has topped the French election, but they failed to win outright majority in a bruising night for Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen.
    National Rally leader Le Pen had been slated to win a majority ahead of the vote but a late surge for the left and a return to popularity for President Emmanuel Macron saw the forecast results turned on their head.
    Sophie Pedder tells James O'Brien that Emmanuel Macron 'has not emerged stronger' on the other side of his 'election gamble', as she analyses the results.
    Sophie Pedder also draws attention to Emmanuel Macron's loss of 'about 100 deputies', which came as a shock to many.
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  • @MMenance
    @MMenance หลายเดือนก่อน +279

    Goes to show what the Left is capable of, if only they postpone their infighting until AFTER the election 😅

    • @thezeronelite
      @thezeronelite หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Being a hard left type myself, this is completely true

    • @jaisriram295
      @jaisriram295 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@thezeronelitesorry who won the popular vote?

    • @steplu2916
      @steplu2916 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@thezeronelite is it the tradition of the left to fight among themselves?

    • @jjefferyworboys8138
      @jjefferyworboys8138 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Le Pen had a much stepper hill to climb. The lefts coalition won't last long.

    • @patrickvernon4766
      @patrickvernon4766 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not just left but conservatives center right and fake right

  • @sammy532
    @sammy532 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    French here. The analyst got one thing wrong : the left alliance mostly disagrees on the form(especially on foreign relations) but they got along on most issues in their manifesto : pensions, tax, anti racism, increase of minimum wages, ecological transition (except on nuclear energy), Gaza, Ukraine, etc. They’re actually the only political offer that had a wide and very complete manifesto.

    • @TheDropdeadZed
      @TheDropdeadZed หลายเดือนก่อน

      Doesn't surprise me. The stupidest left wing politician is still usually smarter than the best the right wing have to offer.

    • @criticalThinkerLad
      @criticalThinkerLad หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      To call working class people far right whilst the privallaged and disgruntled preach to the masses of morility is the reality of this sitituation

    • @xaviertrujillo506
      @xaviertrujillo506 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@criticalThinkerLadmany of the left bloc voters were working class, the far right supporters were all wearing fancy suits and tuxedos and macron voters tend to be quite middle class

    • @eveningstar7812
      @eveningstar7812 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@criticalThinkerLadnobody is calling the working class far right. We are calling the dummies far right. If you conflate the two things that speaks to your own classism.

    • @StanleyKubick1
      @StanleyKubick1 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@criticalThinkerLad *privileged *morality *situation (you should critically think about cracking a book)

  • @Keln02
    @Keln02 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    To resume the french system:
    First round, you vote for the guy you like.
    Second round, you kick out the guy you like the least

    • @annepoitrineau5650
      @annepoitrineau5650 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yes, I like this. I summarise it that way: 2nd round is confirmation+correction.

    • @craphead9842
      @craphead9842 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Rigged.... Tony cuenca

    • @Paul_Ward
      @Paul_Ward หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Two rounds makes sense. It gives apathetic voters the chance to see what could happen if they don't exercise their right to vote.

  • @FionaJane-vc2tw
    @FionaJane-vc2tw หลายเดือนก่อน +112

    Can we all just celebrate that this shows the majority do not want the toxicity of people like Le Pen's and Farage's politics.

    • @kevinwilliams1421
      @kevinwilliams1421 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Or the French have been replaced

    • @pauls3204
      @pauls3204 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Not the right who are rioting mate

    • @missrose0077
      @missrose0077 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Euro has taken a nice upward bounce since Francis election results.

    • @Knightjonty4402
      @Knightjonty4402 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You will become like the middle east, dangerous and divided

    • @jaseforster1184
      @jaseforster1184 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But the people voted for le pen and the corrupt left robbed the peoples wishes! Total disgrace!!

  • @darrena2625
    @darrena2625 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

    Thank goodness the majority of the French still remember/recall what happened the last time the far-right came into power with their neighbour, Germany.

    • @NewChannel-wi7vj
      @NewChannel-wi7vj หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yet Marine Le Pen's party (which is the one I guess you're calling "far right" although it's not) got more votes than any other.
      Weird that!

    • @Paragon62
      @Paragon62 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You surrendered

    • @darrena2625
      @darrena2625 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Paragon62 I'm a Brit, so, no

    • @Knightjonty4402
      @Knightjonty4402 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's nothing far right about wanting to protect culture and boards. Have you seen the violence from the left

    • @kanglongshankz3313
      @kanglongshankz3313 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      NR got 3 million more votes than anyone else so it's not quite 'the French' but the tactical voting in accordance with the electoral system which worked.

  • @wraith7707
    @wraith7707 หลายเดือนก่อน +192

    Cant believe a Centrist actually DID something and didnt just sit around validating actual facists. Well done France

    • @jayr9952
      @jayr9952 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      When that happens here you can be sure James O'Brien will do a complete 180 and announce we should give Farage a chance.

    • @joee8278
      @joee8278 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@jayr9952 what makes you say that?

    • @annepoitrineau5650
      @annepoitrineau5650 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@jayr9952 Based on what?????

    • @HenriNioto
      @HenriNioto หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Actually, all Macron did during the last two years is to get closer and closer to the NR... He just used the Republican Front as a way to win more seats at the National Assembly. I expect absolutely no principles from this man, at this point...

    • @RextheRebel
      @RextheRebel หลายเดือนก่อน

      The "actual fascists" were Frances only hope for survival. Now the country is doomed..

  • @user-em6ie2be7x
    @user-em6ie2be7x หลายเดือนก่อน +238

    LePenn's already crying it was stolen, it was rigged...Take your L with some dignity Lady.

    • @jamespaul6315
      @jamespaul6315 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

      Dignity isnt really her thing

    • @MMAGamblingTips
      @MMAGamblingTips หลายเดือนก่อน +75

      Sounds like an orange man I know here in the states. 😅

    • @Gachavslife
      @Gachavslife หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was rigged.. By popular vote she won.. But again duplicate democracy in play

    • @user-nc2qj2jc5q
      @user-nc2qj2jc5q หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      Same as Trumpistas 😂

    • @jimwest7107
      @jimwest7107 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      That's not accurate. She has said RN is now stronger yet again but that tactical voting stopped RN winning.

  • @leon45sant
    @leon45sant หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Omg their system prevents vote splitting it's genius. Like ranked choice.

    • @jean-marcknight8816
      @jean-marcknight8816 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It's not perfect but it allows you to speak your mind first then make your final decision based on what is left.

    • @agt155
      @agt155 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jean-marcknight8816 Le Pen won a higher vote share second time.

    • @TheDropdeadZed
      @TheDropdeadZed หลายเดือนก่อน

      Their system is still pretty bad. It's basically still FPTP and with a split vote in the 1st round the 2nd round doesn't narrow up hugely. Ranked choice voting or even doing a straight up top 2 finisher runoff would be better.

    • @kjh4496
      @kjh4496 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@agt155And she was defeated by the people voting. Democracy prevailed.

  • @mysteriousfox88
    @mysteriousfox88 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    high turnouts always swing left

    • @django3422
      @django3422 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Because the vast majority of people, at its most fundamental, will always choose freedom.

    • @Light-lp8rn
      @Light-lp8rn หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Out of the top five voter turnouts in the U.K three have been conservative and two Labour. In France the top five voter turnouts saw three right wing parties win, 1 left wing, and 1 centrist.

    • @annepoitrineau5650
      @annepoitrineau5650 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Light-lp8rn Thank you, interesting stats.

    • @kanglongshankz3313
      @kanglongshankz3313 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@django3422 NR had 3 million more votes than anyone else, 'vast majority' should be substituted for electoral system.

    • @django3422
      @django3422 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@kanglongshankz3313 But not more than everyone else combined.

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz หลายเดือนก่อน +210

    France 2 Nazi's 0

    • @user-is1if8vg5m
      @user-is1if8vg5m หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Thank goodness 🙏

    • @rb1062
      @rb1062 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Oh, grow up!

    • @francesco245
      @francesco245 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      M0R0N

    • @francesco245
      @francesco245 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      R34arded much, cI_Int?

    • @francesco245
      @francesco245 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@user-is1if8vg5m m0r0n

  • @eyokirvideos7400
    @eyokirvideos7400 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    When you unite, you can defeat evil. A lesson to be learned for sure

    • @ThomasS-jf9kf
      @ThomasS-jf9kf หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      A lesson that I hope we Americans can learn from you!

    • @friendlybgaming5882
      @friendlybgaming5882 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@ThomasS-jf9kf Trump 2024 👍

    • @user-bq7jp2tn8u
      @user-bq7jp2tn8u หลายเดือนก่อน

      True. The Islamic conquest of the west is right on schedule.

    • @Maelstromme
      @Maelstromme หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@friendlybgaming5882You’re subscribed to a pdf-file.

    • @rb1062
      @rb1062 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Maybe have a close look at just what sort of coalition has taken power and their policies before you comment!

  • @andrewrobinson2565
    @andrewrobinson2565 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    The French LEFT didn't defeat anyone. The WHOLE of the French electorate (Le Front Républicain) defeated Fascism . 🇫🇷🇪🇺 (Our seat went extreme right in the first round 😮.)

    • @haruhisuzumiya6650
      @haruhisuzumiya6650 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Were you living in vichy France or close to the border

    • @andrewrobinson2565
      @andrewrobinson2565 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@haruhisuzumiya6650 Vichy France ended on 11th November 1942. Keep up child 🚸. I'm French and live in the Hérault (have done all year since February 1989).

    • @simulationkoyo
      @simulationkoyo หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      France united as a whole to defeat the fascists.

    • @andrewrobinson2565
      @andrewrobinson2565 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@simulationkoyo +1 thanks for agreeing with me. 👍

    • @annepoitrineau5650
      @annepoitrineau5650 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@haruhisuzumiya6650 What exaclty do you know about Vichy France? Not very much based on your post.

  • @paulstewart6293
    @paulstewart6293 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    On a fait la fête hier soir ! Crushing the faschos is the priority!!

    • @Trekfanwanda
      @Trekfanwanda หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Congratulations to you all in France. Take lessons America!

    • @oan__
      @oan__ หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Mon frère 🤝

    • @supereliptic
      @supereliptic หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Well done from Ireland!
      Great result!

    • @danielgoring1328
      @danielgoring1328 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What facism? The only facism came from the far-left when they threw a tantrum after the first round and decided to riot

  • @brianferguson7840
    @brianferguson7840 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    The sun has risen on a freshly laundered Labour country. Ahh, the smell of freshly baked Thick sliced Competence, generously spread with integrity !

    • @PassiveAgressive319
      @PassiveAgressive319 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      👏👏👏👏👏👏

    • @samasoku
      @samasoku หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Thats a nice fantasy but in reality nothing changed

    • @rb1062
      @rb1062 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Shows how little ypu know about France or who these people are.

    • @gourkernow5694
      @gourkernow5694 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@samasokubut unfair considering its been in for just 3 days so far. Or do you have a crystal ball?

    • @samasoku
      @samasoku หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@gourkernow5694 he said freshly laundered. nothing is laundered. if anything, you only changed the washmachine settings. lol

  • @MarkKrebs
    @MarkKrebs หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Frustration with the French system is entirely out of place. It's quite close to rank choice voting and gave the best possible result because of (& thank goodness for) the agreements for the third place candidate to stand down. ...and imagine the disaster, otherwise. If you take a non-partisan view you would have to agree that the outcome preferred by most has transpired.

    • @philippenachtergal6077
      @philippenachtergal6077 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yeah.
      When the choice presented is "Far right" or "anything else", most French people are still choosing "anything else".
      There is nothing undemocratic in the "republican alliance" that took place because the choice offered was clearly that.
      The RN isn't a collateral victim of an alliance, they are the explicit losers of a clear choice presented to the voters.
      (And they didn't really object to the anticipated elections before the final results so any criticism of that now is just hypocrisy)

    • @hurri7720
      @hurri7720 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There is only one outdated out of place system in western Europe, the British system.

    • @TheDropdeadZed
      @TheDropdeadZed หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@philippenachtergal6077 If the RN wanted to win in the 2nd round, maybe they shouldn't hold political views that are so toxic to the majority of the French that they are unable to make political allies and even encourage their opponents to rally together to oppose them? Sounds like a skill issue to me!

  • @MrPhantom1961
    @MrPhantom1961 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This just shows the lunacy of proportional representation in its current format. There is now a power vacuum in France which doesn't benefit anyone in the country.

  • @Regenmacher175
    @Regenmacher175 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    Lots of left-wing candidates stood down in constituencies where they were in third place. Can't say the same for all of the Ensemble candidates who were in third place but at least the RN was not able to get an absolute majority. Strategic voting for the win. However, the RN should not be given the space to grow its movement, which means the NFP needs to fight harder and in united fashion for workers' rights and against the bigoty and hatred coming from the far-right. Sadly, between 2022 and now, nearly double the number of people voted for the RN and their reactionary talking points have made it into mainstream political discourse in France. It will take many years to undo this.

    • @DavidWalter-gz8ue
      @DavidWalter-gz8ue หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's because the Right wing media keep lying about Thier reports. Think about it, no french Citizen worth their salt would ever put another Viche into power ever again, after what happen with the Nazis, during the 2nd world War.

    • @khairulhelmihashim2510
      @khairulhelmihashim2510 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      economic prosperity is the key. far right politic thrives in economic uncertainty, seeking to place a blame on minorities.

    • @davidgaskin5417
      @davidgaskin5417 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What is the great danger about the NR? I really don't know enough about french politics but it does feel that they have been painted with this far right label but I can't see why.

    • @TheDropdeadZed
      @TheDropdeadZed หลายเดือนก่อน

      All thanks to Macron and the centrists not actually offering a real alternative to the dogshit "solutions" the RN are proposing. And of course Macron and his allies are turning their noses up at the idea of working with the left, who might actually offer an alternative vision for France that would minimise Le Pen's support.

  • @brianferguson7840
    @brianferguson7840 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    IT'S NOT A SHOCK HERE IN FRANCE 🇨🇵🇨🇵🇨🇵 Nobody takes any notice of the Premier tour 🙄 And nobody expected the deuxiem tour to reflect the result. It hasn't done so for 50 years. Typical british media, can't even get the translation of le Penn's party correct F.F.S.😂😂

    • @ricaredi
      @ricaredi หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Cry more!

    • @brianferguson7840
      @brianferguson7840 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​​​@@ricaredi
      Cry ??? Because WE SOCIALISTS WON ?? 🤔🤔 Whats to Cry about.

    • @davidgaskin5417
      @davidgaskin5417 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you! I am surprised at how all the world media is saying " surprise result! ". As soon as there was talk about the left and centre coming together to manipulate the results, this was always going to happen.

    • @James_08_07
      @James_08_07 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidgaskin5417 Where else has the left and centre ever come together?! The surprise is justified because it's such a rare event globally.

    • @davidgaskin5417
      @davidgaskin5417 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@James_08_07 it's not that surprising for french politics. The centre wanted to keep power and the left sniffed a chance to claw back some ground that had been destroyed ( ironically by the centre government).

  • @GeensQuambit
    @GeensQuambit หลายเดือนก่อน +86

    Just right wingers continuing their L streak 😂

    • @lasttempoinparis
      @lasttempoinparis หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      52 years since its inception and going ! 😅

    • @woofolliesmydog8628
      @woofolliesmydog8628 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      You clearly don’t understand how this all works.
      But you will, as we watch the whole of France turn into Marseille and the UK into Luton or Bradford.

    • @premierboxinghighlights3608
      @premierboxinghighlights3608 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@woofolliesmydog8628that will never happen mate.

    • @Priority76
      @Priority76 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@woofolliesmydog8628 Awe, you all sad cause the fascists didn't win?😥

    • @simulationkoyo
      @simulationkoyo หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      same as in Britain. Total incompetence and circus from the far right.

  • @grahamepigney8565
    @grahamepigney8565 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I still can't see why this is such a shock.
    The French have been down this tactical voting route many times before in Presidential and Assembly elections with voters "holding their nose" and casting votes to keep the Rassemblement National (formerly the Front National) out.
    The worry has to be the growing support for the RN in the face of poor economic performance, concerns about immigration and unemployment levels.
    The next problem is that La France Insoumise, led by Jean-Luc Mélenchon, is not very popular either and the centreright through to the centre-left won't work with LFI or RN.

  • @KaiserSaucy
    @KaiserSaucy หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Shame we didn’t have a two round election system for Brexit…

    • @Youalleatmuffins
      @Youalleatmuffins หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Give it time, there will be a way....

    • @aliancemd
      @aliancemd หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      “Second choice” is probably a faster way to do basically the same thing. “This is my ideal but if they don’t win, I am willing to compromise with my compatriots, so this alternative is closest to my values/needs” - I actually think that “second choice” is even more democratic because at times you have to compromise and go with your second best choice that other of your compatriots also potentially compromise on.

    • @Weakeyedominant
      @Weakeyedominant หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Brexit only had 2 choices. The whole point of the double ballot is to try to narrow it down to 2 choices.

    • @Dacheerio
      @Dacheerio หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      dude, move on its been 8 years.

    • @KaiserSaucy
      @KaiserSaucy หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Dacheerio8 years of unbridled success & unmitigated victories in every corner of this green & pleasant land, you’re right.

  • @user-ol6rd7pl5t
    @user-ol6rd7pl5t หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Well done to the French Risistence .

  • @julianshepherd2038
    @julianshepherd2038 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    Allies 1
    Axis 0

    • @ffsno9078
      @ffsno9078 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Allies 2
      Axis 0
      The left took back uk

    • @danielgoring1328
      @danielgoring1328 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Another one that has drank the kool-aide of the MSM propoganda

  • @meumnomen
    @meumnomen หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    The trend recently is just call it rigged and unfair if you lost because you couldn't possibly lose because no one wants your policies 😅

    • @ct5625
      @ct5625 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They have to claim it's rigged otherwise they would have to admit the majority of their online audience is made of Russian and Chinese bot accounts.

    • @kevinsmarts9953
      @kevinsmarts9953 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was nice to see so many Tories not fall into that trap.

    • @kanglongshankz3313
      @kanglongshankz3313 หลายเดือนก่อน

      'No one' they had the largest share of the vote. You have the electoral system to thank.

    • @SonBarbock
      @SonBarbock หลายเดือนก่อน

      "no one wants France to remain French."
      Ok have fun.

  • @kaira9094
    @kaira9094 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    So much for that rise of the Right wing in Europe eh? haha

    • @sparks1792
      @sparks1792 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They have 150 seats. Also the Left has to lead for 3 years with no majority. They’ll be more unpopular in the end because they can’t govern.

    • @jackhewitt600
      @jackhewitt600 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Netherlands, Belgium and Germany all on the rise.

    • @kevlivinginabox
      @kevlivinginabox หลายเดือนก่อน

      Right wing are the loud minority

    • @Minimmalmythicist
      @Minimmalmythicist หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh the far right is getting bigger, the FN have never had so many MPs.

    • @alanhat5252
      @alanhat5252 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Don't count your chickens till they've hatched

  • @whererosemaryflourishes
    @whererosemaryflourishes หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm an Australian-French citizen and live in Marseille. You can add me to the 'relieved' list. My opinion is that Macron knew what he was doing. This was no mistake and the outcome is pretty much the best he could hope for (and probably predicted) given a political climate that is largely against him and his style of governing/narcissicism. His party performed second best when few seemed to imagine that was possible. Including moi.

    • @joelhungerford8388
      @joelhungerford8388 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Let me guess you're either a green or Labor voter 😂

  • @edwardargles9329
    @edwardargles9329 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Why aren’t they called the “far left”?

    • @zenster1097
      @zenster1097 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because they're not. Just because these idts (yes I misspelled purposefully because of youtube) think everything is far-right doesn't mean the other side is far-left.

    • @ShawnMatheson-rw5xm
      @ShawnMatheson-rw5xm หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Because they're not communists. Anyone who believes in capitalism is not "far left"

  • @mcnetchaiev
    @mcnetchaiev หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's not actually a shock, because the French system isn't FPTP meaning all the other parties allied against the RN in the second round (something known as the "Front républicain"). What is worrying is that the far right gets over a third of the vote share but fortunately in a direct face-off against any other candidate, 1/3 of the vote means you lose more often than not. The RN is at an all-time high but they are still some way off getting into power despite going from 88 to 140 something seats. No pasaran!

  • @James_08_07
    @James_08_07 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The French system makes so much sense.

  • @tmcdowell5986
    @tmcdowell5986 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Rural Pennsylvania here. Thank you James. Things are getting interesting. Shove Left.

  • @scarletpimpernel353
    @scarletpimpernel353 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Marie le Pen. :far right ?? > wrong description... " right of the middle " - as for extremism...I would quote the Far Left as extremists !
    Looking at what they have done ..We will now see an ideologically fractured France.

  • @TheBarnster75
    @TheBarnster75 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The BBC said this could well happen so i don't think its a shock. But everything needs to be hyped these days to give the media something to bang on about.

    • @dibdab101
      @dibdab101 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      exactly that. I am French and I was convinced that the shy voters would sense the danger and would come out en masse to reject the far right. And I was proven right. not exactly a surprise...but relieved all the same.

  • @johnclifford544
    @johnclifford544 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    The French populace, after all their disagreements, realize that Russia, China and the other dictatorships in the world are not utopias.

    • @7QHook
      @7QHook หลายเดือนก่อน

      but Isl*m is ? lol

    • @NewChannel-wi7vj
      @NewChannel-wi7vj หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      What?

    • @jimseltzer2002
      @jimseltzer2002 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How do you come to that vacuous conclusion. ? just a loose grouping of anarchists, islamists and student agitators. Watch what they do.

    • @Dave-qx3yz
      @Dave-qx3yz หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, the ne thing they have in common is the are Communist LEFT WING dictatorships, just like France

    • @dennisduncan7561
      @dennisduncan7561 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Who said they were?

  • @MrPireotis
    @MrPireotis หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I am pretty sure that Sophie is very sad that the Tories were demolished... Yes, pretty sure!

  • @kyecypress
    @kyecypress หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    There is no equivalent to the French Left in the UK .... Macrons alliance is more aligned with the UK Labour party

  • @patricequinn7733
    @patricequinn7733 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Congratulations on your upset victory,but retirement at 60??????????What does that do to the economy?

  • @Leogunner2
    @Leogunner2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Real democxracy, avoiding things like leaving the EU and allowing a clown to gain power. Think on.

  • @VaucluseVanguard
    @VaucluseVanguard หลายเดือนก่อน

    This comparison of Melenchon with Corbyn is nonsense. Melenchon is closer to someone like Lenin. Corbyn for all his faults is a democrat; Melenchon is not.

  • @artistreality
    @artistreality หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I don't agree with her politics BUT let's not pretend the left and right didn't use in my opinion undemocratic means to make sure it didn't happen. That's why if Britain ever has Proportional representational voting it must be illegal to stand down candidates in areas to attempt to keep out a party. I called this out when Farage did the same to not split the vote with Boris Johnson. All you do is breed anger at the electoral system. Look at Britain today, 80% of eligible voters didn't vote for Labour and not a peep from my side of the political spectrum on the left. Yet if that was the Tories my side would be demanding reform to the voting system.

    • @gourkernow5694
      @gourkernow5694 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Labour members are mostly pro PR, none of the tory party are. So if you get it, it will be Labour that implement it after a referendum, most likely in a second term if they get one.

  • @anugranmathimugan2778
    @anugranmathimugan2778 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Very interesting outsiders like this lady view it as a shock because Auclair and other French predicted this a week or two ago.

    • @lasttempoinparis
      @lasttempoinparis หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Our _Republican Reflex_ ... nuttin' new 😊

    • @DenkyManner
      @DenkyManner หลายเดือนก่อน

      Before an election you can find people who will predict every outcome. Drawing a line back to the ones who were right after the result says nothing. No one knows the future. La Penn herself was certain she'd take power and was shocked. Hindsight is 20/20

  • @neillaw
    @neillaw หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I see no far right, only a lot of far left...

    • @danielgoring1328
      @danielgoring1328 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The left prefers to ignore that part as the truth hurts their feelings.

    • @AvisSapiens
      @AvisSapiens หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If that is genuinely the case that's more of a self-indictment than an actual comment on reality. You're telling on yourself.

    • @SweetJeopardy
      @SweetJeopardy หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You need to get your eyes checked then.

    • @neillaw
      @neillaw หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@AvisSapiens reality is clearly different for all, I see a lot of anger from the far left though, all the political violence in Europe comes from the far left, which says a lot regards the spectrum of what is currently perceived and coerced within the media and reality

    • @SonBarbock
      @SonBarbock หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@SweetJeopardyyou people are hopeless (I use "people" loosely).

  • @donalobrien7582
    @donalobrien7582 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    O'B
    Please, go and get yourself a Job & don't forget to call into the Shrink.
    Any Chance of a Bar

  • @toxicsausage302
    @toxicsausage302 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Far Left extremists beat the right wing party you mean

  • @davidjamesaustin
    @davidjamesaustin หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Loony far left against far right then

    • @danielgoring1328
      @danielgoring1328 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The most accurate comment I've seen here so far.

  • @skreety0455
    @skreety0455 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The dumbest press loves"divided".😂😂

  • @emillion4470
    @emillion4470 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Europe's Right Wing Fever broke - next up, America.

    • @SonBarbock
      @SonBarbock หลายเดือนก่อน

      That why the RN is gaining more and more seats?

  • @bavariancarenthusiast2722
    @bavariancarenthusiast2722 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    What a great news this morning - the pendulum is swinging back from the extreme right towards the center - see Britain and now France. Don´t forget Poland before too.

    • @rb1062
      @rb1062 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Until you find out what an extreme left government will do to you.

    • @jimseltzer2002
      @jimseltzer2002 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It isn't over until it is. A shallow temporary victory which will be rapidly eroded by events.

    • @bavariancarenthusiast2722
      @bavariancarenthusiast2722 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jimseltzer2002 yeah maybe but for now its a huge success

    • @annepoitrineau5650
      @annepoitrineau5650 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes...and I am sure that my friends and colleagues who went back to Poland played a role in defeating the anti-women's rights right!

    • @FactThis
      @FactThis หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Keep in mind RN won the most votes and gained the most seats.

  • @user-sf7kl9uh7k
    @user-sf7kl9uh7k หลายเดือนก่อน

    They're all going to retire at 55!

  • @antonioferrante
    @antonioferrante หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Fingers crossed le pen can win next time.

  • @mickjenner6697
    @mickjenner6697 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    French left ??? So not far left , left , left of center and center, green , red , conglomeration

    • @kevinsmarts9953
      @kevinsmarts9953 หลายเดือนก่อน

      France is only ever 3 colours.

    • @jazzx251
      @jazzx251 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's what it takes to resist fascism

    • @danielgoring1328
      @danielgoring1328 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The only display of facism came from the far-left. They're the ones that rioted and threw a tantrum when they didn't get their way in the first round.

  • @NewChannel-wi7vj
    @NewChannel-wi7vj หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    *LBC CENSORS COMMENTS !!!*

  • @MRIZMQZM_20
    @MRIZMQZM_20 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    muslim population divided france

  • @chester6343
    @chester6343 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Drink everytime they say far right. Should ask them what makes them "far right".. asking them to retire at 66 means you're far right in France..

    • @stevendurrant1724
      @stevendurrant1724 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Having roots in collaboration with actual nazis probably counts, which might be why you run cover with Quizling rot.

  • @hbowman108
    @hbowman108 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Of course they aren't going to do much for a while. Les grandes vacances are France's leading national institution. Nothing gets done in August, as it should be.

  • @ronhabster8778
    @ronhabster8778 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    They lost because of the islamists and leftists alliance, shame

  • @dufud
    @dufud หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    French far left you mean .

  • @ansc6472
    @ansc6472 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Goodbye France

  • @bumberClart1000
    @bumberClart1000 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Same here except the fascists amongst us in our U.K., hide away. Keep it covert

  • @transvestosaurus878
    @transvestosaurus878 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    most French outcome

  • @pauls3204
    @pauls3204 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Not the right who are rioting it it !

  • @golach420
    @golach420 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3-way candidates in the second round is actually relatively rare.

  • @user-qu8om1pu4s
    @user-qu8om1pu4s หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Viva la France 🇫🇷, France rejected fascism again!!

  • @jamesmoriarty7796
    @jamesmoriarty7796 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I really need América to follow suit with France and Britain and never let Trump get into power again.

    • @danielgoring1328
      @danielgoring1328 หลายเดือนก่อน

      American was doing rather well under the Trump administration

  • @MalTimeTV
    @MalTimeTV หลายเดือนก่อน

    The broad church left coalition that the analyst refers to here does have its disagreements (particularly over France's NATO membership, reform of European institutions, and the role of nuclear energy in the green transition) but it also has a powerful shared program (particularly around reversing Macron's recent welfare and retirement 'reforms', the implementation of green transition policies, moving France to a system of proportional representation, anti-racism etc). So, personally, I wouldn't get carried away on the differences for now.

  • @Jin420
    @Jin420 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @gostepsenglish4431
    @gostepsenglish4431 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Why not the 'far left'?

  • @ganrimmonim
    @ganrimmonim หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would make a comment about unwise election timings and a disunited nation. However, "those who live in glass houses..."

  • @agt155
    @agt155 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Le Pen - 38%
    Starmer - 34%
    Wake up people.

    • @danielgoring1328
      @danielgoring1328 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Starmer will ruin us

    • @django3422
      @django3422 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@agt155 I think you've gotten your elections mixed up.

  • @michaelmccarthy9411
    @michaelmccarthy9411 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't see any surprise in this. French elections are always decided in the second round!

  • @meneurdujeu
    @meneurdujeu หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looked end of the day, the voting system is waaaaay better than in the UK. You get through the second round, and a majority has to be won in the run off. I don't understand why anybody thought the silent majority wouldn't back any opposition to the far-right.
    Can I just say that is horrendously repressed Scottish accent - you're Scottish, let it go.

  • @Rich-ng3yy
    @Rich-ng3yy หลายเดือนก่อน

    In Macron's presidential election he won on the second ballot despite not having a staggering support in the first. The centre right and the centre and the left came together to back a not stunningly popular choice against extremism and the second ballot got him elected.
    The first and second ballots are always very different.
    This was not a presidential election but his party stood and he is now even more unpopular so there were always going to be a certain number of people who gold their noses and vote le penn as she feigns respectability. The second ballot with less candidates is always very different when faced with a stark choice between le penn and anything else... She has her base supporters plus the remaining nose holders vs a widely disliked Macron's party.. more nose holding and an alternative centrist and left and far left coalition. It isn't all that suprising that centre left supporters felt ok to join the left where they disliked Macron and had to vote against le penn.
    If Britain had done the same in the 'Brexit election' before this one then Britain would not have had Brexit without a second referendum and the chaos and incompetence and ecconomics of the last term of office. I don't think what happened in france was all that shocking if you're outide the too close to the problem media. It's more a relief than anything else.

  • @malcolmmitchell6529
    @malcolmmitchell6529 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you don't care, don't go on air.

  • @richardlewis7498
    @richardlewis7498 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    She says far right but never far left 😅😅😅

    • @ML-oq8cu
      @ML-oq8cu หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because the ''conseil d'état'' has gave a ruling that said that LFI wasn't a far left party but only a left party.
      It has also stated that the RN was a far right party.

    • @ct5625
      @ct5625 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Because this is a story about the far-right being beaten by a left-leaning and centrist COALITION.
      If she was talking about a far-left party being beaten by a right-leaning and centrist coalition she would be referring to the far-left.

    • @danielgoring1328
      @danielgoring1328 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@ct5625 it included the French communist party, which is far-left.

    • @ML-oq8cu
      @ML-oq8cu หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@danielgoring1328
      Wrong the PCF (french communist party) is classify as a left party not a far-left party.
      So RN = far-right
      LFI= left
      PCF= left
      That's what said the ''conseil d'etat'' aka the highest administrative court in France.
      That's the law. I dont care that you disagree with this ruling.

    • @SonBarbock
      @SonBarbock หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ct5625ah so full blown self proclaimed communists are not far left. Ok then. Maybe go touch a little grass?

  • @daveyboy7964
    @daveyboy7964 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Two down....Trump to go!!! Vive La France!

    • @SonBarbock
      @SonBarbock หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'll bet these things are true: you don't know what a woman is, you're young, you never owned a house, you don't have a skilled job.

    • @daveyboy7964
      @daveyboy7964 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SonBarbock you’ve got no idea…. Have ya?

    • @SonBarbock
      @SonBarbock หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@daveyboy7964 I have ya. And some extra paint also if you want to add it to your clown makeup.

  • @sirloin8745
    @sirloin8745 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What about the Judean People's Front?

    • @StaggerLee1468
      @StaggerLee1468 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sirloin8745 SPLITTERS!!

  • @cynthiabarrow509
    @cynthiabarrow509 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did they steal it?

  • @st.george007
    @st.george007 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is North Korea an example of an undivided state?

  • @philippenachtergal6077
    @philippenachtergal6077 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "days if not weeks" before a new government.
    Gee, if that was Belgium it would be "months if not years"...
    But yeah, they could setup a technocratic government relatively quickly.
    I don't see a majority coalition government in a matter of weeks.

    • @philippenachtergal6077
      @philippenachtergal6077 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Copy of what I wrote on Phil's channel:
      To have a majority government would requires Macron and his allies to ally with the left.
      But I don't see the communist part of the left joining that and, more importantly in terms of seats, Melanchon has expressed his strong opposition to the idea.
      A center-left government requires la france insoumise (Melanchon's party) to reach a majority so unless Melanchon changes his mind , which is unlikely, or his party splits (not just the NFP coalition but his actual party) which is also unlikely, it cannot be a majority government.
      You could imagine a national union with the center, the conventional right and part of the left (without the communists and la France insoumise) but that also seems very hard to setup.
      I also don't see any risk of the center joining the far-right given their position during the second turn of the elections.
      So we seems headed for a technocratic minority government.
      No matter what option, it will be hard to defeat the far right in the next elections because it will be hard for the country to make many political progresses in the current circumstances. Too much of the medias are in right wing border far right hands.

    • @lasttempoinparis
      @lasttempoinparis หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      May I remind you that Northern Ireland holds the European Record far ahead of Belgium. 😏

  • @mu6qy
    @mu6qy หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Take a drink evertime they say 'FaR RigHT'

    • @mohammadhaider8946
      @mohammadhaider8946 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What makes you disdainful of them defining what they define as far right? You don't agree with the definition?

    • @SenorPenor1337
      @SenorPenor1337 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@mohammadhaider8946the far right and extremists hate being called to far right and extremists

    • @danielgoring1328
      @danielgoring1328 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@SenorPenor1337 the extremism came from the rioting far-left as per usual. Though I know leftists prefer to ignore this.

  • @SiriusMined
    @SiriusMined หลายเดือนก่อน

    The left and Center left have plenty in common. I don't think it's going to be as divided as everyone thinks

    • @SenorPenor1337
      @SenorPenor1337 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm centre-left and I don't want the left in power. Communism doesn't work (we need regulated capitalism) and the left want to leave the EU.

    • @joelhungerford8388
      @joelhungerford8388 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's not just left and centre left. Waving communist flags is nothing less than far left

  • @TheWaveGoodbye-Music
    @TheWaveGoodbye-Music หลายเดือนก่อน

    See what happens james when you centerists side with your socialist allies instead of engaging in footballification (which O'Brien constantly says he doesn't do) you could've helped keep Boris and Sunak out but you opted for footballification and partisan poltics. Something of which he accuses the left of quite a lot

  • @Frederique41
    @Frederique41 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mélanchon is not an extremist and it is not a miracle that the left has won. Mélanchon has been around for a long time and has been campaigning with or without the other lefties. All lefties talk to one another despite the lack of understanding on some subjects. Being diverse does not mean being divided!

    • @jimseltzer2002
      @jimseltzer2002 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Watch what happens. He seems as bright as Mark Drakeford.

    • @SenorPenor1337
      @SenorPenor1337 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He wants to leave the EU. He is bad news.

  • @SuperFree06
    @SuperFree06 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And in spite all the electoral chaos in both Britain and France - rank order preferential voting is still rejected by the political geniuses in both countries.

    • @MrPhantom1961
      @MrPhantom1961 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don't you just love politics in Italy. 😉

    • @SuperFree06
      @SuperFree06 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrPhantom1961 Rank order preferential is not proportional. It requires the winning candidate to be preferred by more than 50% of voters.

  • @greamespens1460
    @greamespens1460 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Far Right yawn

    • @danielgoring1328
      @danielgoring1328 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The term 'far-right' has no meaning anymore

    • @tombranch2261
      @tombranch2261 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@danielgoring1328 Has the same meaning its always had.

  • @beatpeace879
    @beatpeace879 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If all three works together to make their country better for the people then i would call that democracy

  • @andrewrobinson2565
    @andrewrobinson2565 หลายเดือนก่อน

    France closes in August every year 😊.

  • @marcusalkemade5994
    @marcusalkemade5994 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love you, France! 🇫🇷

  • @Toto-cl8rw
    @Toto-cl8rw หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the best news ever, La Penn and her far right party lost 100 seats. She does not represent the majority thus was rejected. The French public voiced their opinion in votes.

    • @agt155
      @agt155 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What you mean lost 100 seats? They gained 60 seats and had the highest vote share.

    • @Toto-cl8rw
      @Toto-cl8rw หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@agt155 show me. I need verification.

    • @Toto-cl8rw
      @Toto-cl8rw หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@agt155 if they had the highest vote share they would not be in third place. The vote shows the La Penn party had a very small vote share.

    • @agt155
      @agt155 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Toto-cl8rw RN (Le Pen) 38%
      NFP 25%
      En 24%
      They are lying to you.

    • @Toto-cl8rw
      @Toto-cl8rw หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@agt155 actually it was NPF 32.6 % En 27.9

  • @williamadu-boahen4969
    @williamadu-boahen4969 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    LBC the French far left did not defeat the National Party. All the parties ganged up against one party, That is not democratic!

    • @petervinberg6823
      @petervinberg6823 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Why is it not?
      Political parties are free to cooperate with whoever they want.
      Always been that way.

    • @meumnomen
      @meumnomen หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Someone sounds butthurt 😢

    • @OneEyeShadow
      @OneEyeShadow หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If their sales pitch is: "We will make sure that [party you don't like] doesn't come into power.", what's undemocratic about that? Sounds to me like that's the reason people voted for them.

    • @gourkernow5694
      @gourkernow5694 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Voter turnout made the numbers possible, that was also a factor.
      Anyway, if there were alliances to be made on the right, they would have made them, would you still be complaining of they had done so and won?

    • @NewChannel-wi7vj
      @NewChannel-wi7vj หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gourkernow5694 Correct!
      The right would've won easily if they weren't divided.
      So, until they don't get electorally smarter and keep refusing to ally with each other because of haughty principles, they will keep losing.

  • @agt155
    @agt155 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    OBrien whinging for 8 years about BREXIT and now celebrating a win for a party that demands FREXIT.

  • @Fredric_Cedrich
    @Fredric_Cedrich หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where are all the weird accounts with two names followed by a serial number?

  • @donmcmillan4388
    @donmcmillan4388 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hopefully America elects the right King.

  • @DollyMiddleton-ke1yp
    @DollyMiddleton-ke1yp หลายเดือนก่อน

    As I have said, Europe has done this rise in hate/ fascism. It did not end well for humanity. Watch WW2 films. You’ll break down & cry. Know the past, so you don’t repeat it. Live your best life now. And dream for the future.

  • @pauls3204
    @pauls3204 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How about using the phrase Far Left eh ?

  • @markgoestofrankfurt
    @markgoestofrankfurt หลายเดือนก่อน

    Farago: But but its a stitchup by the establishment , i hate democratic elections

    • @MrPhantom1961
      @MrPhantom1961 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who's Farago?

    • @markgoestofrankfurt
      @markgoestofrankfurt หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrPhantom1961 farage

    • @SonBarbock
      @SonBarbock หลายเดือนก่อน

      Coming from the side that have more elections until they win and riot when they lose 💀💀
      ..or win, for that matter. Backwards bunch.😊

  • @cycleguy1943
    @cycleguy1943 หลายเดือนก่อน

    France- ISTAN😮

  • @jayr9952
    @jayr9952 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's a very divided Britain

  • @anthonymichaelwilson8401
    @anthonymichaelwilson8401 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Incredible 😊

  • @DollyMiddleton-ke1yp
    @DollyMiddleton-ke1yp หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The people have spoken!!! The futures so bright, the French needs to wear shades.

    • @MrPhantom1961
      @MrPhantom1961 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What drug have you been taking!!?

  • @mryou2434
    @mryou2434 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    France now called Frankenstan

    • @danielgoring1328
      @danielgoring1328 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The commies I'm this comments section seem to love it 😂 they must really be looking forward to sharia law and complete lawlessness