Hi Joerg, I am very sorry to hear that your watching experience was not positive. I get comments like yours only very rarely, but when I do I definitely listen. I take comments like yours very seriously, I want to strike the right balance between receiving some income from my channel versus providing content that people can enjoy. TH-cam automatically places the ads in my videos, I have the option to manually place ads but do not bother to go through this process as it is laborious to say the least and i have so far felt it unnecessary. Maybe I should do? What I do set for my videos is whether the ads are skippable or not. This video has NO non-skippable ads, so I am not sure what you are referring to when you say a "full-screen advertisement block"...? Also, I checked the placement of ads by TH-cam for this video and it has placed 5 ads over the course of the video which is 29:32 long. So that works out at approximately one ad every 5-6 minutes. From what I can see for this video, TH-cam has made the closest gap between ads to be 5 minutes and 20 seconds and the longest gap 8 minutes and 54 seconds. So are you actually seeing an ad every 2 minutes or is that just a figure of speech? I just checked the video on a friend's phone and it played out the way i described in terms of ad gaps. At the end of the day, anyone with a youtube channel has to make a choice as to whether to monetise their channel and, if so, how many ads are tolerable. The vast majority of people leave that up to TH-cam to decide. If TH-cam shared more of the massive revenue they get from advertsising with their "creatives" then we could all choose less ads, but the reality leaves us with little choice. Like everyone else, I am not a charity, the time it takes to make quality videos is huge, and I need some monetary support to help me to continue to provide content. All the best, Tim
@@TimShoebridge Thanks Tim, I very much understand and did suspect that it was sort of a YT error. It just felt strange to me. I indeed got every two minutes an add. I stopped watching after the fourth add.
Thank you for the informative vid and the honesty about the industry letting units go out without being fully tested for minor defects. I have been looking at this synth because of price and features. and your vid has helped me before purchase. Thank you for the time to do this.🙏
Great review man, took me about a month to save up for it, just pre-ordered mine about 3 days ago. This made me even more excited about the Poly D, I cant wait till it arrives. It'll be my very first analog synthesizer!!!
@@t3mo96 if you also want a poly, get the Peak. It will be the only poly you'll ever need and I say that after buying 50 vintage polys first... if I could start all over again I would just get the Peak. Awesome versatile beast, digital waveform oscs but analog in heart and character. Focus on making music, not on gear. That's my advice.
one of the rare guys on youtube who actually appears to want to play the keyboard. too much talking in other peoples videos, but this ones got the perfect balance of explaining and playing
I agree! I get really fed up of videos of someone with a synth making the same old ‘spacey sample and hold atmospheric sounds’ it’s boring and easy! Nice to hear some demos using actual musical sounds !
It's amazing how similar the character of the Poly D and the Matriarch are. Yes, there are some differences, but I was impressed with how close you were able to get the patches. Behringer have clearly done a fantastic job of nailing that Moog sound. If I had them both, like you, I'd probably be considering using them in tandem for some sort of outrageously fat Moog tone. Great video!
@@mschorer -- My vendor is Sweetwater Sound in Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA. They told me initially that it should arrive in about 6-7 weeks, but then they sent me another email a couple of weeks ago saying that they didn't know when it is coming but would let me know. They often lag about a week or two behind Thomann for new Behringer gear. I hope it gets here this March and not March or April 2021.
Bob Conway haha, I hope so too! I‘ve ordered mine at Thomann right when it was available and the delivery date was mid January 2020. Then got an eMail from Thomann last week, stating that delivery was postponed until March. I don‘t mind if Behringer uses the time to iron out some bugs. But realy looking forward to add this synth to my collection of Moogs and other gear 👍
Really a nice review. I like how you express what we as users and investors feel about this. Since not all of us are in a situation of spending huge amounts of money on gear and when we do we spect what we pay for. Long story short is not always the case. Have a wonderful day sir!
Great Review Tim an honest and fair appraisal of the Poly D just subscribed to your channel today a great help in deciding on the merits of owning one of these synths. Loved the part where you speak of problems you experienced with other manufacturers and rightly pointing out that it's an industry problem and not only with Behringer. There are some very polarised views on their products right now thanks for offering an objective view. The conclusion I've drawn from this video is that the Poly D is indeed a justifiable acquisition for a home studio (That's if you don't own any bonafide Moogs) For me it's close enough if you like that sound.
Impeccable video as usual Tim. Thank you for putting it together. The Para D sounds fantastic every time I hear it. Regarding synths with bugs: I've bought far too many synths and the only time they've had issues is when I buy them shortly after release. Anymore I wait a good year after a synth releases before I buy. Not what the manufacturers like to see but like you, I have little tolerance for paid beta testing.
At 13.40 there is some really nice musical piece embedded into a synth walkthrough video. Thorough and honest with some very good musical nuggets, this has to be considered in the category "the art of reviewing".
Just ordered myself a poly d at the music store yesterday, havent been so excited for something in a decade easily. Yeah i might not live an exciting life but i try to live a good life and pretty soon its gonna have a poly d in it. Im happy😊
You can still do external input overdrive. Just route from the headphone jack to the Ext In. The keyboard isn't the best, but it does have both velocity and aftertouch, both of which are also enabled by patch points on the back.
This review was a real breeze to look at and listen to. You've got such a soothing voice. One that matches the milky sounds of a synth like this. Not a bombardment with loads of numbers and specs, but straight to the point and just enough to know what's it about. Very nice playing as well.
Fantastic review! I didn't realize that Behringer had made that Synth Tool software, now I'm even more excited to buy the Poly D! I think this will be absolutely fantastic for synth bass! Cheers!
They sound very similar. The Matriarch sounds a bit smoother in the attack, wheras the Poly sounds a bit more snappy or precise, but not in that horrible and pointy way.
Very interesting to watch and particularly as I am picking up my matriarch on Thursday, the comparison with (predominantly) filters on both machines. While I’m personally not looking at the poly D, I certainly think it sounds very respectable. If I’m honest with my eyes shut it was very difficult to tell the difference between the two sounds when you were playing the comparisons at the end of the video. Great work Tim... always enjoy watching your videos… Cheers Simon
I almost bought a Voyager, until I compared the sound to the Model D. So I got a reissue Model D. Then got a 1972 Model D. And that one is the fattest sounding of all.
Nice honest and to the point review. Its intresting to hear that an expensive price tag doesn't necessarily equal a product without faults. After all they are all designed by humans. I feel the competition now more than ever is becoming so fierce with studio gear in general, companies feel the need to rush out units, collect their cash and keep their fingers crossed all is good. Still not surprising at all same can be said for mobile phones to cars hey ?. Thanks Tim 👍🏾👍🏾
@@TimShoebridge hey man, probably not the best place to ask this but if I leave a comment it'll just get buried. can't you take the phones output into the audio in and drive it that way? then you still have your stereo out
Very helpful- You get some nice sounds out of it. Most videos I've seen have turned me off to the synth until now mainly because of poor programing. I know now that It sounds right thanks to you. Cheers!
Thanks, you just make the best reviews. Because there is some silly debate, one clearly hears that paraphonic also means polyphonic!!!! Your example for the uni mode shows that this mode sounds very good. And a keybed with aftertouch (look at this Roland, Korg, Yamaha, .. :-( ). Very well done Behringer! It's a real instrument.
As an actual keyboard player on a budget (like most), knowing what I know now I'd go for a Behringer Model-D for bass and a Poly-D for chords (because I love 7ths) for a first setup. Both sound absolutely incredible, have a quality build and can be had for sane prices.
This is one of the videos that contributed heavily to my decision on buying the Poly D. My complaints aren't with the instrument but with the side stuff (the manual or lack thereof). I've had it for about six months now and sound wise I have no problems at all. I can't figure out how to synch MIDI. On my Odyssey I connect MIDI in and when I start an Arturia Drumbrute the sequencer of the Odyssey runs. Doesn't do that with the Poly D. I love the idea of the connectivity port along the back (top rail) of the instrument, but I don't know how to use them, the manual doesn't explain and the different i/o configurations haven't worked. I'm going to assign that to operator (me) error and ignorance, although if I was a pilot I would want a checklist to look at. It's actually fun learning how to make it worked the serendipitous musical things that happen while exploring. Just got the 0 by the also. Their synth products are superior
@ghost mall The MIDI part I didn't, but I didn't really try. I found a few tutorials on youtube and those took me over the hump. I'm using a Subsequent 37 but I'm really glad I got the Poly D because it helped me learn the reasons behind getting the Moog. The Poly D was able to get sounds very similar to those in Matt Johnson's Moog Model D video...the warm tones, especially when paired with a RE-20 and a Boss (stomp) compressor. I didn't mind the keyboard until I read other people saying it was "plasticky". That kind of poisoned my mind because it didn't seem that way until I read the comment. It's unfair to compare it to a Prophet or Jupiter X, which is what I was doing. I definitely recommend getting one. Even though she might see limited use now, I'm still keeping her. Beautiful instrument, knobs are easy to turn, simple to figure out.
I've had the same problem with defective new gear. I got the Korg 2600 FS and one of the oscillators was defective. It took me 6 months and multiple trips to a repair shop to get it fixed. Several PCBs had to be replaced. It soured my feelings about it, so I sold it and bought two fully suspended 29er mountain bikes, and the Behringer 2600, which I like better. I bought the ASM Hydrasynth Deluxe from Sweetwater and what I got was someone else's repackaged return with broken off knobs. Got it replaced. I've had the worst luck, so I know how you feel.
Perhaps it was just the settings for recording, but it seemed like the Behringer had a little bit more background noise than the Matriarch. The actual synths sounded very close to me.
Fantastic demonstration Tim. I really feel this synth could compete with anything MOOG music has to offer, and at a better price point. Thank you for this your honest opinions, as always! 🎹 🎶 😎
Maybe they took the chorus from the vocoder. If they had included both a simple analog delay and spring reverb for maybe an extra 50 bucks retail they would have competed even more with the matriarch and grandmother. It does seem to perform extremely well as a mono synth.
@@pkarvo . Except for the semi modular capacities, which is a big plus, more keys (makes sense for two-handed playing), that delay, and a more performance-oriented arp and seq section, but yes, highly comparable as stereo paraphonic synth with similar textures. I didn't think the matriarch was that expensive but the value is even better with Behringer. No-one even comes close to them value-wise, which is why I'd love to see the inside of that factory.
NEBULA 069 I do wonder sometimes about where my behringer stuff has come from in China and how the prices are so low and if they use child labor or something, but I do think that the new higher quality synths show that they’ve got much better manufacturing systems set up now
@@sw2050-l7v Apple opened up the controversial Ipad factory after a number of young people working there committed suicide and someone got himself hired just to investigate. I don't remember the exact story but they apologized and made some changes and finally let the press in. It would make sense for Behringer to offer transparency on that front. They say they rely on high volumes and that the competition is super expensive. But pretty much anything Moog and Korg are putting out is quite reasonable in price, even though no one can compete with B. on price alone. The Moog factory seems like a nice place to work, I don't mind paying a bit more just for that
Hard to believe that the Poly D is less than HALF the cost of the Matriarch and sounds as good or better. It's a no brainer synth, and it sounds great. Behringer is doing amazing work.
It might do something better than the Matriarch, but there’s no patching capability and no special embedded modules so it’s very limited in terms of sound design. No stereo filter, no stereo delay. And the Matriarch keybed is so much better. But this is a great synth for the price, that for sure.
Great review, as usual. I'm pretty excited about this one, and it helps assuage (a little) my sadness that I won't be able to afford that new 2600 that Korg just released. I will continue to hope that I encounter some 4000.00 windfall so I can buy that 2600, but in the meantime the poly d is a definite purchase for me.
13:33 The Poly D and the Matriarch seem complementary here, where each plays a different timbre. The Poly D reminds me of the Memorymoog, oddly enough-a thick, smooth sound. (Obviously what’s not in this video is the things you get for your money with the Matriarch: the stereo filters, the analog delay, the patchability, etc..) But the Poly D seems to hold its own.
The Memorymoog was Moog's flagship polysynth in the early 1980s. Very much the "polyphonic Minimoog" that people had been awaiting since the mid-1970s, but too expensive and too late to be commercially successful.
As a MiniMoog owner it’s a no brainer for the folk wanting that sound without selling a kidney. Tried one. Was very impressed. I would say it lacks the real bottom end of a Moog. But that’s all. It sounds great. Kudos to Behringer🎶🤟🏻
@@Lamo2100 A mono synth? There's plenty. My Vermona Mono Lancet has plenty of bass and sounds pretty good. Moog Minitaur is known for it's very deep bass. There's also Sub Phatty. I have a Moog DFAM which sounds pretty deep as well. Great for more percussive bass. You can also get pretty good subs with Elektron Digitone, but that's poly and has 4 tracks if You fancy that. Blofeld probably does good subs as well.
great review, but 2 little things; 1st i've never seen a classic synth with a build in chorus, where you could adjust the amount of the effect. maybe i'm wrong. 2nd paraphonic and the envelope retrigger problem; there is a switch next to the playing modes (mono/uni/poly). it's called auto damp an will prevent the retriggering of the envelopes.
That is not the point, friend, you said "no classic synthesizers that have chorus included" and if there is now a new obstacle "has no fader to regulate the amount" well if you want to be a synthesizer designer in Beheringer or you are looking for the put or create your company but do not want to impose a truth that is not true
I did hear the crackle! While noise or static is never preferable (oddly so many synths provide a noise signal - when is this used in music?? lol), I'm not sure I would send it back over that - to me what I heard in the video was very mild. I experience static/crackle in basically all electronic music I've ever done, move the wrong way and get crackle. Temperature of the circuit, humidity, line noise, etc all factors in. All that aside - I absolutely LOVE my Poly D and thank you for making this video. It helps explain a lot!!
"its an industry-problem and not a behringer-problem" you are damn-right and this is unfortunately valid for products of all price-points! (and all industries..) anyhow - great video, i should get my poly d in march according to big t
I am hearing what appears to be surface noise from a key release. Is this from the mic? The solution would be to add felt for the key stop and the key release stop.
I'd say the keys don't sound "clacky" even with the sound off recorded by a condenser mic like here. Probably the same keys as the MS101, which as synth action keys go are perfect for this price point. I'm interested in hearing about the tuning since the Model D mono has some issues with accurately tuning the oscillators.
First native english speaker that pronounces "Behringer" correct. Nice video mate! I thought of getting the poly D but then I bought the VC 340 since I have the Sub 37 I realy don´t need it that much. But I guess it´s a nice cheap alternative to all the new Moog synths.
@@ThePickledOnions Well I just have it for 2 weeks or so and lateley i was pretty busy with working and my BA studies. So I only unpacked it and tested if it works. It sounds great and the build quallity is pretty solid. I´m pumped to give it a proper "testdrive" and see how it behaves in a mix, which is the most important thing I gues.
@@ThePickledOnions I honestly just bought it for the strings and choir sounds sice there is no real alternative for this type of sound except of the Streichfett wich I own. I´d be the first one who would buy a solina clone or something similar.
Hi Tim, thanks for your initial thoughts:-) In polymode with chorus 1, it sounds a lot like Roland JX-3P to me, when you played mellow pads. It can't be just the chorus.
@synthartist69 Interesting. I've never heard of that problem. Did you always have the VCA all the way up? If so it might be that the signal was too hot. Or did it also occur when you're not playing anything or with lower settings?
Patch the headphone out to ext. in, pre-filter overdrive before the filter. I wish it had the effects of the Odyssey plus the chorus only real gripe. Yet to try here
That's interesting. What key press combination is it? Can you use that synth tool software with the Crave? I don't see any option in the tool to sync the LFO on the Poly D but maybe for the Crave it is different.....?
@@TimShoebridge just got the Crave and have only used that feature once, but I will look into it and get back to you soon. Seems like it should be available through the software though ... .
At 15:57 in this vid: th-cam.com/video/rTEprBpOVmQ/w-d-xo.html Might only be for the Crave ... but worth checking out. I'd be curious what you find out ... .
That's funny because Behringer uses cheap lamented wood. Meant to give the appearance of richer wood without being richer wood. Moog uses higher grade wood it's just not gloss coated because higher grade wood has fewer imperfections that need to be hidden by gloss coating them. It's actually more traditional of how Moog's wooden synthesizers have always been but then again if you can't tell the difference in wood quality whats the point. The gimmick of Behrginer is to make it look like something it isn't which is "Expensive".
And gimmick of Moog is to charge you silly money for reissue while this should become new classic with much more possibilities. And wood? Wood looks good on either but it ain’t making much sound so yeah Moog model D on steroids from behringer is way to go;) and saves you fortune;)
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@@187onasimp Fuck moog they wish they could sell as many units
Every two minutes I get interrupted by a full-screen an advertisement block. As valuable as the information maybe, to me this is unwatchable.
Hi Joerg, I am very sorry to hear that your watching experience was not positive. I get comments like yours only very rarely, but when I do I definitely listen. I take comments like yours very seriously, I want to strike the right balance between receiving some income from my channel versus providing content that people can enjoy.
TH-cam automatically places the ads in my videos, I have the option to manually place ads but do not bother to go through this process as it is laborious to say the least and i have so far felt it unnecessary. Maybe I should do? What I do set for my videos is whether the ads are skippable or not. This video has NO non-skippable ads, so I am not sure what you are referring to when you say a "full-screen advertisement block"...?
Also, I checked the placement of ads by TH-cam for this video and it has placed 5 ads over the course of the video which is 29:32 long. So that works out at approximately one ad every 5-6 minutes. From what I can see for this video, TH-cam has made the closest gap between ads to be 5 minutes and 20 seconds and the longest gap 8 minutes and 54 seconds. So are you actually seeing an ad every 2 minutes or is that just a figure of speech? I just checked the video on a friend's phone and it played out the way i described in terms of ad gaps.
At the end of the day, anyone with a youtube channel has to make a choice as to whether to monetise their channel and, if so, how many ads are tolerable. The vast majority of people leave that up to TH-cam to decide. If TH-cam shared more of the massive revenue they get from advertsising with their "creatives" then we could all choose less ads, but the reality leaves us with little choice. Like everyone else, I am not a charity, the time it takes to make quality videos is huge, and I need some monetary support to help me to continue to provide content.
All the best,
Tim
@@TimShoebridge Thanks Tim, I very much understand and did suspect that it was sort of a YT error. It just felt strange to me. I indeed got every two minutes an add. I stopped watching after the fourth add.
@@joergfritsch - Install adBlock and you'll never see another ad on YT again.
Joerg Fritsch You can always pay for TH-cam premium and you won’t have anymore ads
as @movinmusicacademy said, install adblock and problem solved
Thank you for the informative vid and the honesty about the industry letting units go out without being fully tested for minor defects. I have been looking at this synth because of price and features. and your vid has helped me before purchase. Thank you for the time to do this.🙏
Great review man, took me about a month to save up for it, just pre-ordered mine about 3 days ago. This made me even more excited about the Poly D, I cant wait till it arrives. It'll be my very first analog synthesizer!!!
You will never go digital again!
@@reneotten7376 Agreed, I'm already looking at other potential synths, my bank account is gonna take some damage lol worth it tho!
@@reneotten7376 Until he discovers Eurorack lol
@@benbowland I will always stay away from modular... lol
@@t3mo96 if you also want a poly, get the Peak. It will be the only poly you'll ever need and I say that after buying 50 vintage polys first... if I could start all over again I would just get the Peak. Awesome versatile beast, digital waveform oscs but analog in heart and character. Focus on making music, not on gear. That's my advice.
one of the rare guys on youtube who actually appears to want to play the keyboard. too much talking in other peoples videos, but this ones got the perfect balance of explaining and playing
Oh it's so good to hear synths that sound like synths!! Also great to see a musician's type review of what's actually a musical instrument.
I agree! I get really fed up of videos of someone with a synth making the same old ‘spacey sample and hold atmospheric sounds’ it’s boring and easy! Nice to hear some demos using actual musical sounds !
21:26, the ultimate pad sound ❤️🙏! I almost cried, so beautiful 😲
So far this is the only good resource explaining the shortcomings on the Poly D clearly, thank you!
This has very quickly become one of my favourite TH-cam channels. Thank you for your content, Tim. 🙏🏽🎹
It's amazing how similar the character of the Poly D and the Matriarch are. Yes, there are some differences, but I was impressed with how close you were able to get the patches. Behringer have clearly done a fantastic job of nailing that Moog sound. If I had them both, like you, I'd probably be considering using them in tandem for some sort of outrageously fat Moog tone. Great video!
Thanks, Tim. This demo bolsters my enthusiasm for the Poly D. I preordered mine in December 2019, so it should arrive at my doorstep any year now.
Haha :D
I see what you did there ;-)
Mine is on backorder at Thomann until March 2020 😭
@@mschorer -- My vendor is Sweetwater Sound in Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA. They told me initially that it should arrive in about 6-7 weeks, but then they sent me another email a couple of weeks ago saying that they didn't know when it is coming but would let me know. They often lag about a week or two behind Thomann for new Behringer gear. I hope it gets here this March and not March or April 2021.
Bob Conway haha, I hope so too! I‘ve ordered mine at Thomann right when it was available and the delivery date was mid January 2020. Then got an eMail from Thomann last week, stating that delivery was postponed until March. I don‘t mind if Behringer uses the time to iron out some bugs. But realy looking forward to add this synth to my collection of Moogs and other gear 👍
Really a nice review. I like how you express what we as users and investors feel about this. Since not all of us are in a situation of spending huge amounts of money on gear and when we do we spect what we pay for. Long story short is not always the case. Have a wonderful day sir!
Great Review Tim an honest and fair appraisal of the Poly D just subscribed to your channel today a great help in deciding on the merits of owning one of these synths. Loved the part where you speak of problems you experienced with other manufacturers and rightly pointing out that it's an industry problem and not only with Behringer. There are some very polarised views on their products right now thanks for offering an objective view. The conclusion I've drawn from this video is that the Poly D is indeed a justifiable acquisition for a home studio (That's if you don't own any bonafide Moogs) For me it's close enough if you like that sound.
I picked mine up last week. With a strymon big sky it’s amazing. Very lush. It fits nicely in my setup using Cubase 10 pro. Great Video 🤘
Impeccable video as usual Tim. Thank you for putting it together. The Para D sounds fantastic every time I hear it.
Regarding synths with bugs: I've bought far too many synths and the only time they've had issues is when I buy them shortly after release. Anymore I wait a good year after a synth releases before I buy. Not what the manufacturers like to see but like you, I have little tolerance for paid beta testing.
Finally someone playing this instrument in a minimoog-like mode!
Wow I like the rich sound of this synth
At 13.40 there is some really nice musical piece embedded into a synth walkthrough video. Thorough and honest with some very good musical nuggets, this has to be considered in the category "the art of reviewing".
Just ordered myself a poly d at the music store yesterday, havent been so excited for something in a decade easily. Yeah i might not live an exciting life but i try to live a good life and pretty soon its gonna have a poly d in it. Im happy😊
A really good exposition of the synth - thanks Tim 😊
You can still do external input overdrive. Just route from the headphone jack to the Ext In. The keyboard isn't the best, but it does have both velocity and aftertouch, both of which are also enabled by patch points on the back.
Thanks for your valued opinion on the Poly D.
Great video, and a good in depth look as this new product from Behringer....
Thanks for sharing this video Tim. I really enjoy your content.
You mde me decide to go for this beast
I really have to thank you for this. I preordered mine at the beginning of December. You have done the best video of it right now. Really!!!
You got it from Thomann? :-)
This review was a real breeze to look at and listen to. You've got such a soothing voice. One that matches the milky sounds of a synth like this. Not a bombardment with loads of numbers and specs, but straight to the point and just enough to know what's it about. Very nice playing as well.
Great review wonderful synth 👏🏻
Fantastic review! I didn't realize that Behringer had made that Synth Tool software, now I'm even more excited to buy the Poly D! I think this will be absolutely fantastic for synth bass! Cheers!
Just subscribed to your channel yesterday and every question I had about these cool Behringer synths has been answered
Thank you!
the comparison blew me away .Ace Job !!
Wow! The synth compare at the end is so close. Good job.
Hands down the best video out on the Poly D
They sound very similar. The Matriarch sounds a bit smoother in the attack, wheras the Poly sounds a bit more snappy or precise, but not in that horrible and pointy way.
Very interesting to watch and particularly as I am picking up my matriarch on Thursday, the comparison with (predominantly) filters on both machines. While I’m personally not looking at the poly D, I certainly think it sounds very respectable. If I’m honest with my eyes shut it was very difficult to tell the difference between the two sounds when you were playing the comparisons at the end of the video.
Great work Tim... always enjoy watching your videos… Cheers Simon
i cant work more than i do already .. so many synths i want to buy and this is at the top of the list
Excellent hands-on review Tim, quality over quantity. Watched it in full even though I've no plans to buy the Poly D.
Keep up the good standard.
Thanks to show us how this really sounds! thks Tim!
all the things I wish my Moog Voyager had, this has lol - Chorus, sequencer, Arp, Poly (para) etc.
I almost bought a Voyager, until I compared the sound to the Model D. So I got a reissue Model D. Then got a 1972 Model D. And that one is the fattest sounding of all.
@@reneotten7376 Yeah I bet, the originals sound amazing - tbh the voyager could sound better despite being very cool and pretty unique
sounds quite good, loved the demo of Distortion/FM
Another enjoyable video Tim, very nice. I'd like to see you play the synth more!
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Nice honest and to the point review. Its intresting to hear that an expensive price tag doesn't necessarily equal a product without faults. After all they are all designed by humans. I feel the competition now more than ever is becoming so fierce with studio gear in general, companies feel the need to rush out units, collect their cash and keep their fingers crossed all is good. Still not surprising at all same can be said for mobile phones to cars hey ?.
Thanks Tim 👍🏾👍🏾
Adamski A. Yes agree completely. And you’re very welcome:)
That pad sound @8:40 sounds so perfectly smooth ❤️
That double wobbly crackly chorus will be emulated in the future and sold as a plug-in effect
Julian Higginson Haha!
@@TimShoebridge hey man, probably not the best place to ask this but if I leave a comment it'll just get buried. can't you take the phones output into the audio in and drive it that way? then you still have your stereo out
@@EpicStuffMan1000 Yes you could, With a stereo to mono cable, I didn't try that.
That Juno chorus is sold by Behringer's TC Electronic as the 'June-60' pedal. I have one, it's cool. FYI
My two Roland 106 have the same Chorus crackling! It’s s just Behringer being most authentic.
Brilliantly balanced review.
Thank you for your illustrious review! I ordered one! Very excited! Well done!
You can run the the headphone output into input to get distortion.
12:40 feels very ambient with birds actually chirping in the background, love it :)
Subbed! Great video, and really good overview. The sound comparison at the end sold me, ordered one!
Very helpful- You get some nice sounds out of it. Most videos I've seen have turned me off to the synth until now mainly because of poor programing. I know now that It sounds right thanks to you. Cheers!
Thanks, you just make the best reviews. Because there is some silly debate, one clearly hears that paraphonic also means polyphonic!!!! Your example for the uni mode shows that this mode sounds very good. And a keybed with aftertouch (look at this Roland, Korg, Yamaha, .. :-( ). Very well done Behringer! It's a real instrument.
As an actual keyboard player on a budget (like most), knowing what I know now I'd go for a Behringer Model-D for bass and a Poly-D for chords (because I love 7ths) for a first setup. Both sound absolutely incredible, have a quality build and can be had for sane prices.
U can use the headphone jack to go into the ext input to get overload!
It's wonderful
3:13 the real bass
The Chorus is the Roland Juno 6 chorus. There were no pots on the Juno 6 either. Great Video by the way!!!
Thank you so much for the video. Please keep up good work!
This is one of the videos that contributed heavily to my decision on buying the Poly D. My complaints aren't with the instrument but with the side stuff (the manual or lack thereof). I've had it for about six months now and sound wise I have no problems at all. I can't figure out how to synch MIDI. On my Odyssey I connect MIDI in and when I start an Arturia Drumbrute the sequencer of the Odyssey runs. Doesn't do that with the Poly D. I love the idea of the connectivity port along the back (top rail) of the instrument, but I don't know how to use them, the manual doesn't explain and the different i/o configurations haven't worked. I'm going to assign that to operator (me) error and ignorance, although if I was a pilot I would want a checklist to look at. It's actually fun learning how to make it worked the serendipitous musical things that happen while exploring. Just got the 0 by the also. Their synth products are superior
@ghost mall The MIDI part I didn't, but I didn't really try. I found a few tutorials on youtube and those took me over the hump. I'm using a Subsequent 37 but I'm really glad I got the Poly D because it helped me learn the reasons behind getting the Moog. The Poly D was able to get sounds very similar to those in Matt Johnson's Moog Model D video...the warm tones, especially when paired with a RE-20 and a Boss (stomp) compressor. I didn't mind the keyboard until I read other people saying it was "plasticky". That kind of poisoned my mind because it didn't seem that way until I read the comment. It's unfair to compare it to a Prophet or Jupiter X, which is what I was doing. I definitely recommend getting one. Even though she might see limited use now, I'm still keeping her. Beautiful instrument, knobs are easy to turn, simple to figure out.
6:39 sounds like a score from a horror movie! I like the old timely look off your videos with nice shallow focus
This looks and sounds fantastic. Great playing and video too! 👍
Thanks for your video!
I've had the same problem with defective new gear. I got the Korg 2600 FS and one of the oscillators was defective. It took me 6 months and multiple trips to a repair shop to get it fixed. Several PCBs had to be replaced. It soured my feelings about it, so I sold it and bought two fully suspended 29er mountain bikes, and the Behringer 2600, which I like better. I bought the ASM Hydrasynth Deluxe from Sweetwater and what I got was someone else's repackaged return with broken off knobs. Got it replaced. I've had the worst luck, so I know how you feel.
One of my favorite eletectronic music blogger, who is having the most sad face all the time ;-)
Haha! Thank you. I am happy on the inside :)
@@TimShoebridge, I suspect the word he was looking for was "thoughtful".
:D
Perhaps it was just the settings for recording, but it seemed like the Behringer had a little bit more background noise than the Matriarch. The actual synths sounded very close to me.
Love your no bullshit videos!
Fantastic demonstration Tim. I really feel this synth could compete with anything MOOG music has to offer, and at a better price point. Thank you for this your honest opinions, as always! 🎹 🎶 😎
@Tim - I totally agree with you on the keybed aspects. Personally my favourite 80's keybed is on the 'Juno 6'.
@ghost mall Never played a P5 before.
Maybe they took the chorus from the vocoder. If they had included both a simple analog delay and spring reverb for maybe an extra 50 bucks retail they would have competed even more with the matriarch and grandmother. It does seem to perform extremely well as a mono synth.
Imo this beats the matriarch
@@pkarvo . Except for the semi modular capacities, which is a big plus, more keys (makes sense for two-handed playing), that delay, and a more performance-oriented arp and seq section, but yes, highly comparable as stereo paraphonic synth with similar textures. I didn't think the matriarch was that expensive but the value is even better with Behringer. No-one even comes close to them value-wise, which is why I'd love to see the inside of that factory.
NEBULA 069 I do wonder sometimes about where my behringer stuff has come from in China and how the prices are so low and if they use child labor or something, but I do think that the new higher quality synths show that they’ve got much better manufacturing systems set up now
@@sw2050-l7v Apple opened up the controversial Ipad factory after a number of young people working there committed suicide and someone got himself hired just to investigate. I don't remember the exact story but they apologized and made some changes and finally let the press in. It would make sense for Behringer to offer transparency on that front. They say they rely on high volumes and that the competition is super expensive. But pretty much anything Moog and Korg are putting out is quite reasonable in price, even though no one can compete with B. on price alone. The Moog factory seems like a nice place to work, I don't mind paying a bit more just for that
Behringer has its own factory complex in China, so they are directly responsible for working conditions there.
....AND THANKS TIM FOR A GREAT VIDEO..I JUST CAUGHT UP WITH YOU..SUBBED STRAIGHT AWAY!! CHEERS !BILL IN BEAUTIFUL NORTHUMBRIA IN THE UK!!
Hard to believe that the Poly D is less than HALF the cost of the Matriarch and sounds as good or better. It's a no brainer synth, and it sounds great. Behringer is doing amazing work.
It might do something better than the Matriarch, but there’s no patching capability and no special embedded modules so it’s very limited in terms of sound design. No stereo filter, no stereo delay. And the Matriarch keybed is so much better. But this is a great synth for the price, that for sure.
@@dans.8198 Can't argue with that at all!
Great review, as usual. I'm pretty excited about this one, and it helps assuage (a little) my sadness that I won't be able to afford that new 2600 that Korg just released. I will continue to hope that I encounter some 4000.00 windfall so I can buy that 2600, but in the meantime the poly d is a definite purchase for me.
Just wait for the behringer 2600
AWESOME VID MATE...…......cheers from North Carolina!
13:33 The Poly D and the Matriarch seem complementary here, where each plays a different timbre. The Poly D reminds me of the Memorymoog, oddly enough-a thick, smooth sound. (Obviously what’s not in this video is the things you get for your money with the Matriarch: the stereo filters, the analog delay, the patchability, etc..) But the Poly D seems to hold its own.
Poly d is not even close to a memorymoog.
Memorymoog?? 🤷🏻♂️
The Memorymoog was Moog's flagship polysynth in the early 1980s. Very much the "polyphonic Minimoog" that people had been awaiting since the mid-1970s, but too expensive and too late to be commercially successful.
As a MiniMoog owner it’s a no brainer for the folk wanting that sound without selling a kidney. Tried one. Was very impressed. I would say it lacks the real bottom end of a Moog. But that’s all. It sounds great. Kudos to Behringer🎶🤟🏻
I wouldn't get this for the bottom end personally. I would get it for the chords ;)
Can u guys recommend a synth with great bottom end? that is sub- 1500$
@@Lamo2100 A mono synth? There's plenty. My Vermona Mono Lancet has plenty of bass and sounds pretty good. Moog Minitaur is known for it's very deep bass. There's also Sub Phatty. I have a Moog DFAM which sounds pretty deep as well. Great for more percussive bass. You can also get pretty good subs with Elektron Digitone, but that's poly and has 4 tracks if You fancy that. Blofeld probably does good subs as well.
nym053 absolutely! 🤟🏻
@@Lamo2100 if you need poly: the Peak.
Great presentation, thanks again Tim.
First review I’ve seen from ya and was a good one. Subbed :)
Was waiting for this video!!!)
So true. My matriarch has still problem.. Need more tests! And better ASS.. Excellent video as usual. Beautiful sound.
That’s no way to talk about your mother.
Thx for the review Tim :D If this synth had memory it would be a toll blast.
Sounds sweet looks great I need one ;-)
God bless Behringer for making classic synths a reality for “the rest of us”. Looking forward to a Prophet 5 clone I can afford!
great review, but 2 little things;
1st i've never seen a classic synth with a build in chorus, where you could adjust the amount of the effect. maybe i'm wrong.
2nd paraphonic and the envelope retrigger problem; there is a switch next to the playing modes (mono/uni/poly). it's called auto damp an will prevent the retriggering of the envelopes.
Are you summoned, and the Jupiter? and the Juno? and the Solina? and the CZ Line?
Juno 106 for example I remember
Juan Retes yup, but they dont have a fader or a potentiometer to regulate the ammount of the chorus.
sjcongo yes, but same as the jupiters...no control of the amount of the chorus...so i‘ m right
That is not the point, friend, you said "no classic synthesizers that have chorus included" and if there is now a new obstacle "has no fader to regulate the amount" well if you want to be a synthesizer designer in Beheringer or you are looking for the put or create your company but do not want to impose a truth that is not true
I did hear the crackle! While noise or static is never preferable (oddly so many synths provide a noise signal - when is this used in music?? lol), I'm not sure I would send it back over that - to me what I heard in the video was very mild. I experience static/crackle in basically all electronic music I've ever done, move the wrong way and get crackle. Temperature of the circuit, humidity, line noise, etc all factors in. All that aside - I absolutely LOVE my Poly D and thank you for making this video. It helps explain a lot!!
"its an industry-problem and not a behringer-problem"
you are damn-right and this is unfortunately valid for products of all price-points! (and all industries..)
anyhow - great video, i should get my poly d in march according to big t
I am hearing what appears to be surface noise from a key release. Is this from the mic? The solution would be to add felt for the key stop and the key release stop.
Always crapped out on the name Behringer . I own the new Odyssey ...it's a blast !
thank you very much for this video. good synth, anyway, i prefer moog matriarch sound and modulation possibilities
Great and informative video
I'd say the keys don't sound "clacky" even with the sound off recorded by a condenser mic like here. Probably the same keys as the MS101, which as synth action keys go are perfect for this price point. I'm interested in hearing about the tuning since the Model D mono has some issues with accurately tuning the oscillators.
thankyou. first actually nformative video on poly d.
very nice, gotta buy this, good enough for me
First native english speaker that pronounces "Behringer" correct. Nice video mate! I thought of getting the poly D but then I bought the VC 340 since I have the Sub 37 I realy don´t need it that much. But I guess it´s a nice cheap alternative to all the new Moog synths.
How are you finding the 340? Interested in it too
@@ThePickledOnions Well I just have it for 2 weeks or so and lateley i was pretty busy with working and my BA studies. So I only unpacked it and tested if it works. It sounds great and the build quallity is pretty solid. I´m pumped to give it a proper "testdrive" and see how it behaves in a mix, which is the most important thing I gues.
@@DisintegrationZerfallgreat, good luck with it. Talk box sounds impressive and it looks a beauty
@@ThePickledOnions I honestly just bought it for the strings and choir sounds sice there is no real alternative for this type of sound except of the Streichfett wich I own. I´d be the first one who would buy a solina clone or something similar.
He is better at pronouncing it but its beeeeringer , his 'e' is to short lol
Sounds wonderful. I wish it had patch storage.
patch storage is dumb. If you want to save a patch use a camera or draw it
@@SorchaSublime No patch storage is smart they just didn't include it at this entry level price.
@@SorchaSublime It's not dumb for live use.
Hi Tim, thanks for your initial thoughts:-) In polymode with chorus 1, it sounds a lot like Roland JX-3P to me, when you played mellow pads. It can't be just the chorus.
Every juno60 i owned had a crackle in the chorus...about 8 of them
Well sounds about spot on then
Every juno i own has a crackle in the chorus circuit lol.
Strange, my Juno 60's chorus does not crackle at all.
@@MacXpert74 I thought it was just part of the chorus design
@synthartist69 Interesting. I've never heard of that problem. Did you always have the VCA all the way up? If so it might be that the signal was too hot. Or did it also occur when you're not playing anything or with lower settings?
I played a JX3p that had a bad chorus chip and it crackled when sort of overdriven... maybe that’s a different phenomenon.
Isn't this just a rather lovely sounding instrument? I like this review style very much. ... Subscribed.
Patch the headphone out to ext. in, pre-filter overdrive before the filter. I wish it had the effects of the Odyssey plus the chorus only real gripe. Yet to try here
Great summary review, tks
If the sequencer is just like that of the Crave, as I am led to believe it is, you can sync an LFO with key combinations on the sequencer.
That's interesting. What key press combination is it? Can you use that synth tool software with the Crave? I don't see any option in the tool to sync the LFO on the Poly D but maybe for the Crave it is different.....?
@@TimShoebridge just got the Crave and have only used that feature once, but I will look into it and get back to you soon. Seems like it should be available through the software though ... .
At 15:57 in this vid:
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Might only be for the Crave ... but worth checking out. I'd be curious what you find out ... .
Mine is in shipping. Can’t wait!
The wood is much nicer than the unsanded rough ash of the Moog One!
That's funny because Behringer uses cheap lamented wood. Meant to give the appearance of richer wood without being richer wood. Moog uses higher grade wood it's just not gloss coated because higher grade wood has fewer imperfections that need to be hidden by gloss coating them. It's actually more traditional of how Moog's wooden synthesizers have always been but then again if you can't tell the difference in wood quality whats the point. The gimmick of Behrginer is to make it look like something it isn't which is "Expensive".
And gimmick of Moog is to charge you silly money for reissue while this should become new classic with much more possibilities. And wood? Wood looks good on either but it ain’t making much sound so yeah Moog model D on steroids from behringer is way to go;) and saves you fortune;)
@@187onasimp Fuck moog they wish they could sell as many units
Since there is demand I would say an abandoned ideas:D and we still need to see any report of that slave labour suffering.
Like The Sound Of This Mate Good Job Well Done