In my experience with V13, its game-changing. Majority of the drives are fully autonomous and smooth. A couple of things that need ironing out: *car went too fast over some speed bumps and divits in the road *when two lanes merge into one with heavy traffic, can improve in confidence and smoothness *when needing to exit a freeway or take a turn onto another road, car should get in the correct lane at least 2 miles beforehand especially when theres a lot of traffic *on the freeway, car should only be in the passing left most lane when no cars behind or when passing slower cars in the adjacent cruising lane Aside from those details, FSD13 is truly amazing🎉🎉
I was on I-95 on New Year’s Eve from Richmond to Fredericksburg and hit a rain storm so bad I thought I was in a tornado but my HW4 FSD was doing better than I would’ve done. I let it continue to drive to see if it would want me to take over but it didn’t.
HW3 is the least of Tesla's problem, don't forget for every HW3 they replace like a REAL recall, there's a new subscriber to FSD or simply a straight purchase of the card, there's still a profit to be made for every replacement.
I Always like but never text lol but I do have a thought I never hear discussed I'd love you to explore. The fact that every tesla will be in real time communication with every other tesla for road conditions traffic speed planning and so much more. Every tesla will know what every other tesla is doing 😂
A meta-data layer from tesla vehicles, to augment the road and lane data, would be excellent. Traffic warnings, road works, closed roads, potholes etc. that would be fantastic and relatively simple. Showed this ‘hive mind’ in Optimus (and the Borg lol)
Limiting FSD to only safe driving conditions seems to be practical. Urban environments have artificial light which really helps during bad weather. That would limit the number of weather incidents that would shut down Cybercab service. Some believe that once FSD is actually available, boom switch flipped and now we have robot cars. The revolution will be long and bumpy. We are still going to need steering wheels.....for a while
To be truly competitive with human driving, FSD is going to need a better memory than a gold fish. I drive across a deep street gutter twice a day and, after years of FSD, the system does not see it nor does it slow down unless the sun light hits it at a perfect angle. My air suspension knows to rise up at the same spot because it has memorized the GPS coordinates but FSD does not have a clue.
I get that maybe it can't feed every single exception into a global system, but if I'm going to have all this compute onboard, shouldn't it be able to get better at my particular edge cases?
1980+: I was never close to the development of AI, but I was close to some college teachers who were doing it, the discussions about AI old ideas and new, so I knew their and the global attempt to use new languages, not really with success. I'm not surprised with our modern times. It seems that thousands of people have done that with a few with special managerial/CEO skills to take AI further. FSD is incredible because it is now a real tool for real people changing the real world using now AI tools. Incredible. My best.
I'm a fan of fsd and rooting for it... but was driving 13.2 hw 4... and it rolled a red light and almost side swiped a car ( 2 separate incidents)... was bummed as I hoped it was going to do better.... these videos are too optimistic, unsup is still a ways away sad to say... but making good progress and supervised is getting more useful in the meantime
Was driving using FSD 12.5.4.2 on Hardware 3 on a 2021 Model 3 yesterday in a 55 mph zone. The car was traveling at 55mph and a truck zoomed up behind me and was tailgating the Tesla. Surprisingly, the Tesla sped up to 83 Mph I suppose to avoid getting rear ended but did not stop for the car in front---I had to hard break and take over before it rear ended the car in front. I hope the new version of FSD addresses this flaw. It was scary. That being said, I carefully watch FSD when it is on duty, so I was never in danger. The asshole tailgating me was the problem but I had never experienced the Tesla speeding up like that with someone approaching from behind at high speed. So FSD 12.5.4.2 has some issues vs the newer software that is rolling out now to us. Can't wait for the update.
FSD12.5.4.2 is crap on the sea to sky hwy (goes wide even onto line lines on windy stretches, sometimes it even gives up and ends in the next lane without signaling) but on less windy hwys it's quite good. I've had a few trips to Vancouver Island where the 8 ticket booth attendants have overhead LED signs that say which of the three destination ferries they sell tickets for. Also special lanes for over height. The attendant takes payment or asks for reservation number, then tells what lane # to head for. But first the 8 booths exits merge into 1 lane. after a corner they split a few times to a holding area with 20 lanes. Then another attendant will see the handicap pendant and ask if we need to be near an elevator. Definitely need audio input and output and AI.
I wish they would just apply a polarized film to each of the camera lenses and then retrain the system to compensate for the slight loss in low light scenarios. In my mind that would fix the glare. Maybe also add some improvements to the dynamic image processing of the cameras so that they can naturally adjust contrast and brightness based on the given conditions
Living in Las Vegas, the direct sunlight issue is a problem. The AI needs to rely on multiple cameras to compensate for the blinding of the main front camera. Stopping is not a viable long term option. Still advocating for an IR camera which would not be as susceptible to this as the current cameras, plus see through fog and snow.
I live in a latitude between 45˚ and 46˚. On sunny days, especially between October and February, My HW3 cameras often go blind while travelling South Southeast as late as 11 am or Southwest coming up to sundown. The solution is to pray for clouds but no snow or slush, which creates other problems. Between sunset and sunrise, FSD works much better. 🙂 Except when there is not enough light for the cabin camera to see my eyes. Then I return to the steering wheel nag. Turning on one of the dash lights can work though. Urban freeways work fine since they light up both the roads and the drivers faces.
I feel like you are responding to me with your scoffs but I assume I'm not alone. I'm primarily talking about DRIVERLESS and less about "unsurpervised" with my issues / concerns / assertions regarding the front blind spot and the limitations of HW3. Your guest mentioned one obvious edge case which makes it unacceptable to have a front blind spot with a small child in front of the car that FSD simply can't see. But the scenarios are endless. The FSD computer can't step outside the car to see what is on the ground in front of the car nor can it check before getting into a parked car. Which is why when Tesla first released ASS they had the car backup 2 or 3 feet before going forward. Unacceptable work around that they quickly stop doing rather than draw more attention to the front blindspot. Which is why they make the driver responsible for supervising ASS and FSD (from stop). The car could monitor itself while parked and make a probability analysis as to whether something or someone went in front it but that memory is not something that it is even close to being implemented. FSD analyzes in a continuous snapshot of the moment and makes future predictions / probability analyses. It doesn't remember anything. It will probably have some memory in the future but of course that will take more compute resources. (And I'm not talking about storing videos. I'm talking about intelligent memory woven into the analysis of the moment.) I think Tesla will do well if they can make HW3 level 3 unsurpervised on the highway. Beyond that I think it will be supervised ADAS due to hardware limitations. I will be very disappointed if Tesla vehicles are allowed to be driverless with a front blind spot. It would inevitably have issues, possibly tragic, and those issues will be a PR nightmare (remember Cruise dragging a pedestrian). I also recognize that even with the front blind spot a car using FSD could easily still be "safer than a human driver" and that is a quandary. I just believe that the car should be as close to 100% as possible and that doesn't include having an easily fixable blindspot. Which they have fixed / will fix with the Cybertruck, new model Y, and the Cybercab.
I agree regarding HW3 and the ability to run FSD unsupervised. But, I own a car that I bought FSD for that has HW3. So, I will expect Tesla to get my car me to a vehicle that is capable of unsupervised FSD, either way. I was not sold a “supervised FSD” when I bought it. I do think that there are probably multiple people on the FSD team that have informed opinions as to if HW3 will be able to run an unsupervised FSD. The 4-way stop problem should be dealt with through an industry standard. Like the most northerly vehicle goes first, …
I've heard a rumor that FSD V12.5.6 that is being distributed to HW3 Tesla owners now is actually labeled as V13 .2 within its code. The V13 designation may also appear somewhere in the app.
2:30: Then stop using it, as you are endangering people on the road, FFS. 8:40: Yeah, I’m seeing a pattern with you. 14:00: … 22:00: The part about being safe.
Ist hand experience says that FSD is still incapable of being unsupervised; Vision only remains an issue, I have an open invitation to Tesla to spend a day with me in New Hampshire, and let's go for a few rides. The blind devotion to FSD isn't a positive thing. Someone is going to get hurt, and shareholders are going to pay as well.
Why would HW4 owners care about those of us driving HW3? Are HW3 just low hanging fruit for HW4 owners to pick at? GEESH! If I had HW4, I would be happy for anyone with an older system getting an upgrade! Answer:? People need something to complain about to feel superior to others?
Tesla AI4 is already processing hand gestures. Did you see the Optimus handing out drinks & snacks at the factory? A guy tried a fist bump gesture and the bot waggled its finger at him saying no. Optimus is currently using AI4 chips, I believe. (AI5 isn't ready yet).
Still waiting for FSD to figure out what the speed limit is when you are driving into the country and pass an "End 35 Limit" sign. Under 12.5.4, it very consistently chose 25 MPH. Boo.
No judgement here …. But did good ol bob just say cousin and hot girl in the same sentence? Anyways…. I bet hardware “5” will solve the low sun ☀️ glare issue. Hw3 = 1 megapixel. Hw4 = 4 megapixel. Hw5 might have something like 50 megapixel much like our smartphone. For reference human vision is akin to 500 mp . I’m just saying if the philosophy is a human can see therefore a camera can see it. Well that depends on the digital camera right because human vision is actually amazing versus these cheap 4 megapixel resolution cameras. or they can do like you said and include either IR or radar. I have a hw2 model 3. Hw4 model y and a gen 3 Tacoma . Sadly, the Tacoma with radar drives safer through thick fog and rain I’ve noticed.
The question I have is when a raccoon runs in front of a Tesla will it speed up? If not I will not support autonomous driving, hahaha. Jason Mamoa should be the voice of GROK.
Robert is fantastic. It's always a treat when you guys get together.
e-Primacy Michelin tires on my revivifier’s ‘25 E-Quinox 💙
5:52) Brian: Split-window is half vast improvement.
Thank you both.
In my experience with V13, its game-changing. Majority of the drives are fully autonomous and smooth.
A couple of things that need ironing out:
*car went too fast over some speed bumps and divits in the road
*when two lanes merge into one with heavy traffic, can improve in confidence and smoothness
*when needing to exit a freeway or take a turn onto another road, car should get in the correct lane at least 2 miles beforehand especially when theres a lot of traffic
*on the freeway, car should only be in the passing left most lane when no cars behind or when passing slower cars in the adjacent cruising lane
Aside from those details, FSD13 is truly amazing🎉🎉
You know so many great experts! And Nick.
Booahahaha!!!😂
Boom!
Thanks guys!
I was on I-95 on New Year’s Eve from Richmond to Fredericksburg and hit a rain storm so bad I thought I was in a tornado but my HW4 FSD was doing better than I would’ve done. I let it continue to drive to see if it would want me to take over but it didn’t.
HW3 is the least of Tesla's problem, don't forget for every HW3 they replace like a REAL recall, there's a new subscriber to FSD or simply a straight purchase of the card, there's still a profit to be made for every replacement.
I Always like but never text lol but I do have a thought I never hear discussed I'd love you to explore. The fact that every tesla will be in real time communication with every other tesla for road conditions traffic speed planning and so much more. Every tesla will know what every other tesla is doing 😂
A meta-data layer from tesla vehicles, to augment the road and lane data, would be excellent. Traffic warnings, road works, closed roads, potholes etc. that would be fantastic and relatively simple. Showed this ‘hive mind’ in Optimus (and the Borg lol)
Really enjoying your channel Brian. Awesome work!
Oh wow, thanks! Good to see you in the comments.
Fantastic discussion!
I am a ROBERT💪❤ FAN... AWESOME 💥
Limiting FSD to only safe driving conditions seems to be practical. Urban environments have artificial light which really helps during bad weather. That would limit the number of weather incidents that would shut down Cybercab service. Some believe that once FSD is actually available, boom switch flipped and now we have robot cars. The revolution will be long and bumpy. We are still going to need steering wheels.....for a while
To be truly competitive with human driving, FSD is going to need a better memory than a gold fish. I drive across a deep street gutter twice a day and, after years of FSD, the system does not see it nor does it slow down unless the sun light hits it at a perfect angle. My air suspension knows to rise up at the same spot because it has memorized the GPS coordinates but FSD does not have a clue.
I get that maybe it can't feed every single exception into a global system, but if I'm going to have all this compute onboard, shouldn't it be able to get better at my particular edge cases?
FUN VIDEO 💪❤
1980+: I was never close to the development of AI, but I was close to some college teachers who were doing it, the discussions about AI old ideas and new, so I knew their and the global attempt to use new languages, not really with success. I'm not surprised with our modern times. It seems that thousands of people have done that with a few with special managerial/CEO skills to take AI further. FSD is incredible because it is now a real tool for real people changing the real world using now AI tools. Incredible. My best.
I'm a fan of fsd and rooting for it... but was driving 13.2 hw 4... and it rolled a red light and almost side swiped a car ( 2 separate incidents)... was bummed as I hoped it was going to do better.... these videos are too optimistic, unsup is still a ways away sad to say... but making good progress and supervised is getting more useful in the meantime
Man you're on Fire lately. Excellent job to you and Scobie 🦾🦾
I think we're all pretty excited about the future here.
Was driving using FSD 12.5.4.2 on Hardware 3 on a 2021 Model 3 yesterday in a 55 mph zone. The car was traveling at 55mph and a truck zoomed up behind me and was tailgating the Tesla. Surprisingly, the Tesla sped up to 83 Mph I suppose to avoid getting rear ended but did not stop for the car in front---I had to hard break and take over before it rear ended the car in front. I hope the new version of FSD addresses this flaw. It was scary. That being said, I carefully watch FSD when it is on duty, so I was never in danger. The asshole tailgating me was the problem but I had never experienced the Tesla speeding up like that with someone approaching from behind at high speed. So FSD 12.5.4.2 has some issues vs the newer software that is rolling out now to us. Can't wait for the update.
FSD12.5.4.2 is crap on the sea to sky hwy (goes wide even onto line lines on windy stretches, sometimes it even gives up and ends in the next lane without signaling) but on less windy hwys it's quite good. I've had a few trips to Vancouver Island where the 8 ticket booth attendants have overhead LED signs that say which of the three destination ferries they sell tickets for. Also special lanes for over height. The attendant takes payment or asks for reservation number, then tells what lane # to head for. But first the 8 booths exits merge into 1 lane. after a corner they split a few times to a holding area with 20 lanes. Then another attendant will see the handicap pendant and ask if we need to be near an elevator. Definitely need audio input and output and AI.
I wish they would just apply a polarized film to each of the camera lenses and then retrain the system to compensate for the slight loss in low light scenarios. In my mind that would fix the glare.
Maybe also add some improvements to the dynamic image processing of the cameras so that they can naturally adjust contrast and brightness based on the given conditions
Living in Las Vegas, the direct sunlight issue is a problem. The AI needs to rely on multiple cameras to compensate for the blinding of the main front camera. Stopping is not a viable long term option. Still advocating for an IR camera which would not be as susceptible to this as the current cameras, plus see through fog and snow.
I live in a latitude between 45˚ and 46˚. On sunny days, especially between October and February, My HW3 cameras often go blind while travelling South Southeast as late as 11 am or Southwest coming up to sundown. The solution is to pray for clouds but no snow or slush, which creates other problems. Between sunset and sunrise, FSD works much better. 🙂 Except when there is not enough light for the cabin camera to see my eyes. Then I return to the steering wheel nag. Turning on one of the dash lights can work though.
Urban freeways work fine since they light up both the roads and the drivers faces.
I feel like you are responding to me with your scoffs but I assume I'm not alone.
I'm primarily talking about DRIVERLESS and less about "unsurpervised" with my issues / concerns / assertions regarding the front blind spot and the limitations of HW3.
Your guest mentioned one obvious edge case which makes it unacceptable to have a front blind spot with a small child in front of the car that FSD simply can't see. But the scenarios are endless. The FSD computer can't step outside the car to see what is on the ground in front of the car nor can it check before getting into a parked car. Which is why when Tesla first released ASS they had the car backup 2 or 3 feet before going forward. Unacceptable work around that they quickly stop doing rather than draw more attention to the front blindspot. Which is why they make the driver responsible for supervising ASS and FSD (from stop). The car could monitor itself while parked and make a probability analysis as to whether something or someone went in front it but that memory is not something that it is even close to being implemented. FSD analyzes in a continuous snapshot of the moment and makes future predictions / probability analyses. It doesn't remember anything. It will probably have some memory in the future but of course that will take more compute resources. (And I'm not talking about storing videos. I'm talking about intelligent memory woven into the analysis of the moment.)
I think Tesla will do well if they can make HW3 level 3 unsurpervised on the highway. Beyond that I think it will be supervised ADAS due to hardware limitations.
I will be very disappointed if Tesla vehicles are allowed to be driverless with a front blind spot. It would inevitably have issues, possibly tragic, and those issues will be a PR nightmare (remember Cruise dragging a pedestrian). I also recognize that even with the front blind spot a car using FSD could easily still be "safer than a human driver" and that is a quandary. I just believe that the car should be as close to 100% as possible and that doesn't include having an easily fixable blindspot. Which they have fixed / will fix with the Cybertruck, new model Y, and the Cybercab.
Great guest common sense talk.👍
I have a question. Do Tesla car users have access to the video that cars make when they’re driving/riding?
You can enable dashcam mode.
Robots with Deeprain - brings on the wipers in bright sunshine 😂
So many problems are being solved. When will Tesla get around to fixing the auto wipers. Dry wiping is out of control.
I agree regarding HW3 and the ability to run FSD unsupervised. But, I own a car that I bought FSD for that has HW3. So, I will expect Tesla to get my car me to a vehicle that is capable of unsupervised FSD, either way. I was not sold a “supervised FSD” when I bought it.
I do think that there are probably multiple people on the FSD team that have informed opinions as to if HW3 will be able to run an unsupervised FSD.
The 4-way stop problem should be dealt with through an industry standard. Like the most northerly vehicle goes first, …
An IR Camera wouldn't need much AI retraining as it is still seeing the same shapes as image cameras.
I've been impressed with FSD being able to deal with construction sites now.
I've heard a rumor that FSD V12.5.6 that is being distributed to HW3 Tesla owners now is actually labeled as V13 .2 within its code. The V13 designation may also appear somewhere in the app.
2:30: Then stop using it, as you are endangering people on the road, FFS.
8:40: Yeah, I’m seeing a pattern with you.
14:00: …
22:00: The part about being safe.
Maybe the cameras need a filter
16:10) “take a pee”? Nyet. Is why 24-hr driveniks prefer bucket seat❤
👍🏻🙏🏻❤️
Ist hand experience says that FSD is still incapable of being unsupervised; Vision only remains an issue, I have an open invitation to Tesla to spend a day with me in New Hampshire, and let's go for a few rides. The blind devotion to FSD isn't a positive thing. Someone is going to get hurt, and shareholders are going to pay as well.
At 18:20 we solved rabsom colision reconsiliation and race conditions with TCP/IP a few decades ago... Lol...
I didn't.
@FutureAzA we solved it so we'll that no one even realized it happens...
I'm sure the HW4 owners will be complaining when (if) the HW3 owners get a free retrofit upgrade to HW5.
You can count on that.
Why would HW4 owners care about those of us driving HW3? Are HW3 just low hanging fruit for HW4 owners to pick at? GEESH! If I had HW4, I would be happy for anyone with an older system getting an upgrade! Answer:? People need something to complain about to feel superior to others?
Tesla AI4 is already processing hand gestures. Did you see the Optimus handing out drinks & snacks at the factory? A guy tried a fist bump gesture and the bot waggled its finger at him saying no. Optimus is currently using AI4 chips, I believe. (AI5 isn't ready yet).
Optimus was remotely operated at the Cybercab event. I haven't seen evidence of it working in a deployed setting. Should be interesting.
May I help you with edit your videos? :-) I am from Prague and I love you content.. :)
That was so romantic 🤣
It's not gonna be free
Appreciate the offer, but I'm in a good routine with my editor.
Still waiting for FSD to figure out what the speed limit is when you are driving into the country and pass an "End 35 Limit" sign. Under 12.5.4, it very consistently chose 25 MPH. Boo.
Adequate sensor cleaning tech -- 2025?
No judgement here …. But did good ol bob just say cousin and hot girl in the same sentence? Anyways….
I bet hardware “5” will solve the low sun ☀️ glare issue. Hw3 = 1 megapixel. Hw4 = 4 megapixel. Hw5 might have something like 50 megapixel much like our smartphone. For reference human vision is akin to 500 mp . I’m just saying if the philosophy is a human can see therefore a camera can see it. Well that depends on the digital camera right because human vision is actually amazing versus these cheap 4 megapixel resolution cameras. or they can do like you said and include either IR or radar. I have a hw2 model 3. Hw4 model y and a gen 3 Tacoma . Sadly, the Tacoma with radar drives safer through thick fog and rain I’ve noticed.
Tesla’s AI team needs to work harder. Software, hardware, get together!
According to you and Farzad everything is now 'over' and 'done.' Can't wait to open TH-cam tomorrow and see that it's over and done again.
This comment is a reflection of how burnt out I am because of my insatiable need to consume Tesla content.
So jaded and butter lol
*bitter
Soy jam and butter
I take it all back. I love you!
FLIR
The question I have is when a raccoon runs in front of a Tesla will it speed up? If not I will not support autonomous driving, hahaha.
Jason Mamoa should be the voice of GROK.
"Expert" hasn't used FSD in the Midwest. 😂
I had two of them on about a week ago.