So it looks like bow skill dmg will also increase the dmg of pconc which to me sounds like a bug. Feel free to play around with it to get big dam but I’d say don’t invest too much into it cuz it will likely get nerfed and fixed imo.
@@Critimuscu they will fix concoctions skill for sure next patch, making them usables only unnarmed like in poe 1, makes no sense scalling lvl with quiver, if the attack is unnarmed quiver stat shouldnt count at all
I don't know if you did this but its what I plan to do (I literally just finished getting this build completed). I was having insane mana / life problems because the level bonus was applying to vine arrow. What you can do is grab a lvl 3 vine arrow and when you socket it, it will become lvl 15. The lvl of the vine arrow itself doesn't matter because you are abusing the quality effect not using it for dps itself. Doing this dropped the cost from like 139 to like 35. I did the same thing to rain of arrows and grabbed the minimum level needed for it. It didn't reduce the cost as much but its still better than nothing since you are really just using these for applying affects not for the dps. Hope this helps!!!
I've done a lot of testing as well and just FYI, the +damage with bow skills affix on quivers is currently bugged and for some reason this DOES apply to Poisonous Concoction. This is a MASSIVE DPS increase right now because of quiver scaling and should not be overlooked. They probably programmed this affix to work with all projectiles, not just bow skills. It is either a bug and will get fixed, or it is intended and the affix text is not accurate.
It’s because poison conc can be used with any weapon set up, so it would scale the same if there was a “damage with wand/(insert any weapons here) skill”
great vid mate, happy i stumbled on it. I've been leveling with gas arrow mainly and dropped the widowhail so i figured id try out concotion and boy oh boy. From fighting bosses for minutes to melting them in 2-3 seconds. Its insane and i dont even have the chaos damage clusters yet. Just got a nice quiver with +2 skill + widowhail and quiver cluster on passive tree. Mind you I'm still low level but the difference in damage is crazy. As a side note that i found for some wierd reason the "+x% increased Damage with Bow Skills" also works with pconc so get that on your quiver EDIT: im level 44 at the moment
Just to let you know I'm 98% sure the chaos damage clusters on the tree don't actually help scale your poison damage. I could be wrong but I saw another video by a dude who mainly uses poison and said they do not help scale the damage.
@@briankern9687 hey are you sure about this? idk but poison is chaos damage, and i notice this when i poison mobs then use the despair curse, their hp goes way down faster
i think the aoe gem changes the area of the hit not the dot. the dot damage isnt aoe only the hit is. if you stack heaps of base damage and not on poison it would work. if that makes sence
I think Plague Bearer with astral projection is actually really strong the animation really isnt that slow when you consider that p.coc has travel time and Plague Bearer has 0 travel time. The supports with this build are very interchangeable as well, Plague bearers damage scales off of levels really well too making making Physical mastery/Chaos Mastery supports really strong with it also 1 throw of P.coc with scatter instantly gives it a full charge so you can alternate the attacks if you really want too. I personally don't use chaos mastery with P.coc because it's ridiculously strong already probably overtuned. But it's a expensive build to put together once you start factoring in the jewel cost and a 300% widow hail which you don't necessarily need. Also not 100% need but you can put Chaotic Freeze with Contagion to be able to freeze boss from p.coc bosses.
Thanks for putting this together, I love playing pathfinder but have been playing Gas Arrow up until now (lvl76). I have a great +4 proj bow and +2 proj quiver. Can you explain to me why Widowhail is better than a strong Phys bow with +4 proj ?
I'm not sure about Flurry node 20% area WHILE unarmed, we aren't unarmed. 25% reduce dmg with unarmed attack (bad) 20% attack speed is good So it's 20% attack speed for 25% reduce dmg
Vine Arrow + Encumbrance (more slow) + Culling + Magnified effect (more area) + font of rage (or the support who give regen hp i dont remember the name)
Still running with Alchemist Boon + 50% More charge gain ascendancy + flask implicite per second on belt + anoint 0.1 flask/s + some small nodes flask charge gain + 0.25mana flask gain suffix on pot in T16 juiced maps cause without that it's really really hard to sustain with some map implicite which add 50 to 80% reduce flask charge gain. Ok you can try to avoid Waystones with that affixe, but with the double corrupt Atlas Tree Keystone you never know how your map will goes :D Thanks for your sharing, i'm not sure yet about Rain of Arrow withered, cause it's pretty hard to sustain 10 poisons stack while using vine arrow + despair + rain of arrow during boss fights. I just went wither aura and use vine arrow for slow + despair, and it's not that ez to always have these two with dodging boss mechanics, so don't have to care about apply wither is confortable. I'll be glad to see your next video on Pconc :)
@MisoxShiru, great vid thank u! One question, which skin are u using for the body? Is it from poe1? If so, whats the name so i can go buy it and use it on poe2? xD
@@bubuawd it sounds like from some folks in the comments the buff lets u do it from the get go but im personally not sure since i leveled it before it got buffed
It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Widowhail gets nerfed into the ground. Damn near every build with bow is Widowhail+level stack quiver right now.
I am surprised that the mana flasks seem to sustain well enouigh with just belt & jewel mods. i was spec'd into a bunch of flask nodes before changing to yours and its a lot more damage.
I dont know what im doing wrong. Almost same skill tree. Widowhail etc. Pconc lvl25 but i just do 8600dps ... Can someone helps ? (Widowhail 218%, quiver bonus from skill tree 80%, bonusses from emeralds 11%, quiver: + 2lvl projec. Skills, amulet +1 lvl projec. Skills)
Ordinary bow have +7 to projectile lvl. Quiver with 400% increased have +10 to lvl. So If you have unique bow with less then 300% to quiver, then ordinary bow with +7 lvl to proj is always better
Wrong... the bow modifiers do nothing for concoction... making the multiplier on quiver stats huge... also with tree quiver bonus and a 270% or higher widowhail it's +9 to skills
@@donaldpeace yep quiver stats are so good I would even take a -1 level to proj skills for them. atk speed & proj speed & dexterity are huge stats on quivers (also + phys damage)
Conc. Effect does not work because it only increase the HIT portion of the poisonous concoction, not the damaging ailment. you need to scale magnitude poison for that. you can look at the poisonous concoction itself. it has 12-330 to 18-495 added chaos damage. this is the number that conc effect modify, not the poison itself
That magnitude is based off the hit damage though right? Base poison is 20% of chaos+phy damage, magnitude is just increasing the 20% multiplier as far as i understood it
poison is now based on the HIT dmg it works very differently from poison in poe1 thats why increase to chaos dmg does increase our poison dps since it increases the hit portion of the dmg while if you poison with physical dmg, increase % chaos dmg does nothing.
So it looks like bow skill dmg will also increase the dmg of pconc which to me sounds like a bug. Feel free to play around with it to get big dam but I’d say don’t invest too much into it cuz it will likely get nerfed and fixed imo.
if they drop the quiver effect we are screw 🤣
@@Critimuscu We can play with chaos bow +4 and +2 quiver, or +2 arrow bow +4proj and we drop scatter for a new gem
@@Critimuscu they will fix concoctions skill for sure next patch, making them usables only unnarmed like in poe 1, makes no sense scalling lvl with quiver, if the attack is unnarmed quiver stat shouldnt count at all
I don't know if you did this but its what I plan to do (I literally just finished getting this build completed).
I was having insane mana / life problems because the level bonus was applying to vine arrow. What you can do is grab a lvl 3 vine arrow and when you socket it, it will become lvl 15. The lvl of the vine arrow itself doesn't matter because you are abusing the quality effect not using it for dps itself. Doing this dropped the cost from like 139 to like 35. I did the same thing to rain of arrows and grabbed the minimum level needed for it. It didn't reduce the cost as much but its still better than nothing since you are really just using these for applying affects not for the dps.
Hope this helps!!!
noted,thank you!
I've done a lot of testing as well and just FYI, the +damage with bow skills affix on quivers is currently bugged and for some reason this DOES apply to Poisonous Concoction. This is a MASSIVE DPS increase right now because of quiver scaling and should not be overlooked. They probably programmed this affix to work with all projectiles, not just bow skills. It is either a bug and will get fixed, or it is intended and the affix text is not accurate.
It’s increased level to projectile skills and it is a projectile skill, check the tags on the spell it’s a thrown projectile
He is talking about the affix of bow skill dmg is increased… but posion is unarmed.
It’s because poison conc can be used with any weapon set up, so it would scale the same if there was a “damage with wand/(insert any weapons here) skill”
great vid mate, happy i stumbled on it. I've been leveling with gas arrow mainly and dropped the widowhail so i figured id try out concotion and boy oh boy. From fighting bosses for minutes to melting them in 2-3 seconds. Its insane and i dont even have the chaos damage clusters yet. Just got a nice quiver with +2 skill + widowhail and quiver cluster on passive tree. Mind you I'm still low level but the difference in damage is crazy. As a side note that i found for some wierd reason the "+x% increased Damage with Bow Skills" also works with pconc so get that on your quiver EDIT: im level 44 at the moment
Just to let you know I'm 98% sure the chaos damage clusters on the tree don't actually help scale your poison damage. I could be wrong but I saw another video by a dude who mainly uses poison and said they do not help scale the damage.
@@briankern9687 poison won't scale off chaos damage but pconc is a chaos hit and if it hits harder poison will scale from that
@@briankern9687 hey are you sure about this? idk but poison is chaos damage, and i notice this when i poison mobs then use the despair curse, their hp goes way down faster
Leveling a deadeye atm, look forward to trying this build when I get up there. Thanks!
Would be cool to do a levelling guide on this build
Just use lightning arrow build till some point and then choose ascendancy.
bro how i can unlock the slots for putting the 3rd support on that poisonous concoction?
it goes by your character lvl, the acendancy skills i mean
i think the aoe gem changes the area of the hit not the dot. the dot damage isnt aoe only the hit is. if you stack heaps of base damage and not on poison it would work. if that makes sence
I think Plague Bearer with astral projection is actually really strong the animation really isnt that slow when you consider that p.coc has travel time and Plague Bearer has 0 travel time. The supports with this build are very interchangeable as well, Plague bearers damage scales off of levels really well too making making Physical mastery/Chaos Mastery supports really strong with it also 1 throw of P.coc with scatter instantly gives it a full charge so you can alternate the attacks if you really want too. I personally don't use chaos mastery with P.coc because it's ridiculously strong already probably overtuned. But it's a expensive build to put together once you start factoring in the jewel cost and a 300% widow hail which you don't necessarily need. Also not 100% need but you can put Chaotic Freeze with Contagion to be able to freeze boss from p.coc bosses.
Thanks for putting this together, I love playing pathfinder but have been playing Gas Arrow up until now (lvl76).
I have a great +4 proj bow and +2 proj quiver. Can you explain to me why Widowhail is better than a strong Phys bow with +4 proj ?
Depends on what other rolls you have on you quiver. Remember that 200% increaase doesnt only apply to the projectile affix.
I'm not sure about Flurry node
20% area WHILE unarmed, we aren't unarmed.
25% reduce dmg with unarmed attack (bad)
20% attack speed is good
So it's 20% attack speed for 25% reduce dmg
Vine Arrow + Encumbrance (more slow) + Culling + Magnified effect (more area) + font of rage (or the support who give regen hp i dont remember the name)
Still running with Alchemist Boon + 50% More charge gain ascendancy + flask implicite per second on belt + anoint 0.1 flask/s + some small nodes flask charge gain + 0.25mana flask gain suffix on pot in T16 juiced maps cause without that it's really really hard to sustain with some map implicite which add 50 to 80% reduce flask charge gain.
Ok you can try to avoid Waystones with that affixe, but with the double corrupt Atlas Tree Keystone you never know how your map will goes :D
Thanks for your sharing, i'm not sure yet about Rain of Arrow withered, cause it's pretty hard to sustain 10 poisons stack while using vine arrow + despair + rain of arrow during boss fights.
I just went wither aura and use vine arrow for slow + despair, and it's not that ez to always have these two with dodging boss mechanics, so don't have to care about apply wither is confortable.
I'll be glad to see your next video on Pconc :)
Hi Misox, how do we add another slot in our Poison Concoction build?
you just need to level up your character more, that's all!
@@MisoxShiru I see. Thats why its 2. I'm currently lvl 21. Just got ascended into Pathfinder due to your vids. Thank you!
and you can also go for 2x +15spirit soul core on a good Widowhail to have 1 more aura
Ty for the information. I really like the build you have here. PConc player from poe1.
I miss pconc of bouncing, though lol i liked that one a lot.
@MisoxShiru, great vid thank u! One question, which skin are u using for the body? Is it from poe1? If so, whats the name so i can go buy it and use it on poe2? xD
How does vine arrow collect poison stacks? Does it have a max number of stacks as though it's an enemy or does it just absorb all incoming poison?
is there a leveling version of this build?
Did they change scattershot? I was receiving 3 stacks per concoction but now I’m only getting 2?
Its still 3 for me.
Does "Reduced flask charges used" affix on a belt works with pconc?
Is this better than deadeye lightning build ?
Try using corpsewade boots, they are busted I’m poisonous concoction with corpsewade and map clear is great.
How to get the final support gem socket for poison conc? I can't find any info about it
I would assume it’s just levels on your character.
herald of plague 1.7m adds to contagious contamination 1.5m = 3.2m now? or is it just using the higher of the two
Adds together from what I was told
if i choose deadeye its lost for me ah?
Ghost dance with Fast Forward (less duration) to improve ghost shroud proc
hello can i ask how to obtain a event coin (insignia of imprinting)
*hero exchange material
when would you recommand to swap gaz for this build ?
@@bubuawd it sounds like from some folks in the comments the buff lets u do it from the get go but im personally not sure since i leveled it before it got buffed
@@MisoxShiru thanks :)
what are those cosmetics
It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Widowhail gets nerfed into the ground. Damn near every build with bow is Widowhail+level stack quiver right now.
Why not wither with vine arrow? Why use rain of arrows at all
Cuz its faster
Nice vid, i'm currently using pconc in the acts and it feels good
Devs really need to increase the range of the poinson spread skill on pathfinder.. giv som love to path..
I am surprised that the mana flasks seem to sustain well enouigh with just belt & jewel mods. i was spec'd into a bunch of flask nodes before changing to yours and its a lot more damage.
@@Davaoization honestly I don’t even have belt or jewels and it’s fine
can you do a video on fire concoction? I like pathfinder but I'm tired of poison
I dont know what im doing wrong. Almost same skill tree. Widowhail etc. Pconc lvl25 but i just do 8600dps ... Can someone helps ? (Widowhail 218%, quiver bonus from skill tree 80%, bonusses from emeralds 11%, quiver: + 2lvl projec. Skills, amulet +1 lvl projec. Skills)
i dropped chaos mastery for plague, it very help a lot for clearing.
How do I get this skill I don’t see it ???
Pathfinder ascendancy point
@ Thz no one said it in any vids I seen they already just had it on
Just put in Vitality for the remaining spirit
i play solo selffound. i hope they dont nerf PC. im at lvl 46, it feels okay but far from super OP.
Kinda still dispointed after buff*... would have love it to be able to chain of terrain with the right setup/invest
What nerf
@@stan.stawski i meant buff was tired i misspoke mb
Ordinary bow have +7 to projectile lvl. Quiver with 400% increased have +10 to lvl. So If you have unique bow with less then 300% to quiver, then ordinary bow with +7 lvl to proj is always better
Right now increased bow damage works on Pconc, so it might still be worth it to run unique bow + quiver combo
Wrong... the bow modifiers do nothing for concoction... making the multiplier on quiver stats huge... also with tree quiver bonus and a 270% or higher widowhail it's +9 to skills
@@donaldpeace yep quiver stats are so good I would even take a -1 level to proj skills for them. atk speed & proj speed & dexterity are huge stats on quivers (also + phys damage)
30 conc should do dmg ya
Conc. Effect does not work because it only increase the HIT portion of the poisonous concoction, not the damaging ailment. you need to scale magnitude poison for that.
you can look at the poisonous concoction itself. it has 12-330 to 18-495 added chaos damage.
this is the number that conc effect modify, not the poison itself
That magnitude is based off the hit damage though right? Base poison is 20% of chaos+phy damage, magnitude is just increasing the 20% multiplier as far as i understood it
poison is now based on the HIT dmg it works very differently from poison in poe1 thats why increase to chaos dmg does increase our poison dps since it increases the hit portion of the dmg while if you poison with physical dmg, increase % chaos dmg does nothing.
why your skin are White
Who cares? What difference does it make. He's a nice guy. Take your racist comments somewhere else please.
@@orionsbelt792think hes talking about the game
Bruh @@orionsbelt792
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