I really get the points on this video, as a freelancer that uses both Webflow wins on design, speed, security, workflow but the limitations that you can do with Webflow is so huge compared with WP+Elementor. Not to mention the pricing. But it is on an agency standpoint, they get premium-tiered clients but if you are someone that still needs to establish your portfolio and enhance design skills WP+Elementor has a lot of things to be considered.
I personally don't think the Webflow limitations are as much of an issue as many make them out to be. There are defintely use cases where Webflow isn't the ideal candidate, but there are a lot of apps that work with Webflow to expand it's functionality. I think Elementor + WP helps new freelancers get sites out the door quickly, to build up income and a portfolio. But it definitely hampers your creativity. When switching to Webflow we had to unlearn all the creative limitations of a WP + Elementor setup. So for new designers/builders coming into the space, a great way to start would be in Webflow, and never learning about those limitations to begin with. That's just my take though!
I might look at something like that in future, but I find it best to talk about what I know, and I don't have any experience in Oxygen. But I have used both Webflow and Elementor to deliver sites through our agency so I've got experience in that.
Elementor no doubt, with elementor we could extended its features with addons Or developing addon plugins or by finding a addon developper, elementor enables the option to extend any features of the editor and some awesome plugins like pods, cpt ui & acf, jet engine, etc allows you to extend more further dynamic functionality. If you have enough potential you could design different type of flexible websites, which others won't give. May be refferal bonus could be higher:) Think this once a client ask which can't be done with current features...
Hello! I want to offer my clients websites made through webflow, but I don't know how I could make the offer so that it would be profitable for both the client and me. would an idea be an installation fee, site creation and then a monthly subscription?
Yes that would work, typically we work like this: First, we bill the site creation fee, which covers the strategy, design and webflow build. Second, we bill a monthly fee for the Webflow hosting, enough to cover the Webflow fee, plus some extra to cover our time answering client questions. Third we offer an optional retainer for clients who would like ongoing work done to their site. Hope this helps!
I have only doodled around in webflow so far, but i like it already more because i have the feeling i have full control over everything. When u said some widgets in elementor sometimes dont do or look what you want them to do or look like, i had to think of the accordion which has the first item open and you cant change that, you have to write custom css/js and then it still opens for a brief moment before js is loaded 🤯 also i read in webflow you can export clean html/css/js code, which i find quite interesting for small static sites which would in this particular case make hosting alot cheaper compared to wp, i tried a feature like this on figma and it was a huge disappointment so far webflow seems to give one so much more freedom about everything
Yes for sure! Lots of frustrations like that using pre-built widgets in Elementor. The limitation is that you can't export sites with a CMS obviously, but for small static sites it does generate clean code. We've actually built a front-end for a web app in Webflow that was handed off to a developer to make into a full app. They confirmed the code was clean and well structured.
@@DesignBreak You are not right about cms export that is also possible, i looked that up too, i searched for "webflow to wordpress" and a guy showed up showing a tool called udesly i think and apparently its integrated with webflow and wordpress, at the moment i cant check this but i bookmarked it, it seems very promising. I know that clients might not care about the webflow hosting price, but when it comes to being hosted on us servers, its tricky with german datapolicies laws. This is the video i found. th-cam.com/video/EjuKKCsTmPM/w-d-xo.html
@@JustAn0therSoul Ah yes, you can use something like Udesly to move to WordPress, however then you have to use WordPress 😬 But yes the EU data policies are something Webflow are aware of and they are bringing an EU data center online very soon.
Hi Daniel, Loved the comparison, thankyou for these wonderful videos. I had a small doubt regarding the tools, What about licensing/copyright of the codes we generate through them? With a subscription are we buying rights to the code that we can sell too as an agency or a freelancer? I was curious, how things work out in this aspects. Considering I'm new to web designing and freelancing and don't want any trouble regarding copyrights.
Thanks for the kind words! That's a great question. Webflow does allow you to export your site, but only if it's a static site not using the CMS functions. So you could then sell that site on without any issue. For sites with CMS, you have to host on Webflow, and as long as Webflow are getting their monthly fee for that hosting, you can bill the client for the work you did building the site on Webflow. Our agreement with clients mentions that we cannot transfer intellectual property that doesn't belong to us over to them. Since we only licence it ourselves, they are only able to licence it too. This applies for things like stock images too, where we have bought only the licence to use the image, not the IP itself. Hope this helps, and good luck on your web journey!
@@DesignBreak Okay got it, so we need to have a detailed contract. Will keep this in mind. Thankyou for a thoughtful and in-depth answer. Appreciate your help. 🙏
I have been evaluating webflow as someone who has been using Wordpress since the beginning. Your vide helpful. I like Elementor and Divi and use them daily. The issue with Wordpress is Wordpress itself and the collision course it is on with its own Gutenberg page builder and these third party ones. Gutenberg is a mess in my view and far away from being prime time. These issues coupled with the constant software and security issues are making me look at webflow. Both are flexible in different ways. Webflow is flexible from design perspective and Wordpress with its vast library of plugins is flexible from functionality aspect. I think the reality is it is hard to get completely away from Wordpress, but I think diversification into webflow is probably a good idea for many freelancers.
Thanks! And that is a good point. I think from the standpoint of being able to easily edit all the required SEO content, they are both capable. However Wordpress does have tools that can review your actual SEO content. Worth mentioning though that there are tools that will also review SEO content if you provide a site URL. Not quite as easy as the SEO review in the GUI that Wordpress has.
Great video, thanks for sharing! I have a question: how is the hosting part with webflow? As a freelancer, I prefer to build the website/functionalities and let the client think about hosting. I don't want to get involved with it. Can I do it with webflow? Can you share your workflow about this aspect?
What about customer support? Elementor's customer support is terrible. Do you have any experiences with Webflow's? I'm really thinking of moving towards them as I start my agency.
Yes that's a good point and something I should have mentioned! Yes I do have experience with Webflow's customer service, which was excellent. It's not an instant response live chat (although they were trialling this) but it's always a very knowledgeable response, and they definitely took the time to look into the problem and find the best solution. I'll maybe make a part 2 video covering some of the points I missed in this first video.
@@DesignBreak Good to know. Elementor has chat support for customers, for basic issues (identifying plugin conflicts or plugin issues not coming from Elementor, or to help you use Elementor correctly). But for any actual issues with Elementor, it's moved to email support and they take forever to reply.
Good points. I've been using Elementor for a couple of years now, but have seriously considered trying webflow. Just what to comment on one of your points. You mentioned Elementor widgets may not look or do exactly what you want, then and you need to get extra widgets. But if I want to customize a widget it's pretty simple to add CSS or any other custom code if you need to modify that widget.
Prices are not approximate, to have a site with Elementor the value is much lower. WebFlow's learning curve may not be worth the effort. If you want to stop using Elementor and evolve your design, you might want to hire a developer.
That's definitely an option! Although if you factor in the cost of hiring a developer, and the collaboration time needed to communicate to a developer how animated sections should work etc, then the cost definitely increases. Our experience is that for our skillset, the Webflow learning curve was absolutely worth it, and has even allowed us (as designers) to start thinking like developers.
Your comparison was very helpful, thank you! As a new startup business with no code experience - I’m shying away from WP/Elementor. Love the look of Webflow! Question: would you still suggest Webflow if I need it just as a company website to link to multiple sites where I work with clients? This includes a learning management system and Microsoft teams. Would also need supporting tools like email marketing, surveys, memberships, funnels, sales pages, etc. etc. 🤪 I’d basically like to spend my time creating content and working with clients - not on technical, so any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
If you need to add some more functionality like Form Autoresponse, you are fucked up with Webflow. Webflow doesn't even offers Dedicated Mail Accounts. Webflow is ok for WYSIWYG designers.
Thanks so much for these videos! Testimonies from people with web design experience like yours are so helpful.
I think your intro music is the deepest, crispist, and widest sonicly I have heard. Nice Job.
I use both Webflow and Oxygen builder now, both are awesome and cover the needs of any client request! I do like and use Elementor for fast projects.
Hey great video! I’ve been using web flow for some time now and you can customize and write various classes with the rich text editor.
Thanks so much for the effort! you really helped me make a decision about my platform choice.
Glad I could help! Good luck with it!
I really get the points on this video, as a freelancer that uses both Webflow wins on design, speed, security, workflow but the limitations that you can do with Webflow is so huge compared with WP+Elementor. Not to mention the pricing.
But it is on an agency standpoint, they get premium-tiered clients but if you are someone that still needs to establish your portfolio and enhance design skills WP+Elementor has a lot of things to be considered.
I personally don't think the Webflow limitations are as much of an issue as many make them out to be. There are defintely use cases where Webflow isn't the ideal candidate, but there are a lot of apps that work with Webflow to expand it's functionality.
I think Elementor + WP helps new freelancers get sites out the door quickly, to build up income and a portfolio. But it definitely hampers your creativity. When switching to Webflow we had to unlearn all the creative limitations of a WP + Elementor setup. So for new designers/builders coming into the space, a great way to start would be in Webflow, and never learning about those limitations to begin with. That's just my take though!
Thank you. It is great video from an agency perspective on Elementor vs Webflow.
You can host webflow anywhere. It exports out all the code if you want.
Any plans to do a comparison between Oxygen and Webflow? They seem to be the closest in terms of features, UI and functionality.
I might look at something like that in future, but I find it best to talk about what I know, and I don't have any experience in Oxygen. But I have used both Webflow and Elementor to deliver sites through our agency so I've got experience in that.
oops, had spotify playing on the bg, lol
Elementor no doubt, with elementor we could extended its features with addons Or developing addon plugins or by finding a addon developper, elementor enables the option to extend any features of the editor and some awesome plugins like pods, cpt ui & acf, jet engine, etc allows you to extend more further dynamic functionality. If you have enough potential you could design different type of flexible websites, which others won't give.
May be refferal bonus could be higher:)
Think this once a client ask which can't be done with current features...
THIS. With jetengine you can create anything without code.
Hello! I want to offer my clients websites made through webflow, but I don't know how I could make the offer so that it would be profitable for both the client and me. would an idea be an installation fee, site creation and then a monthly subscription?
Yes that would work, typically we work like this: First, we bill the site creation fee, which covers the strategy, design and webflow build. Second, we bill a monthly fee for the Webflow hosting, enough to cover the Webflow fee, plus some extra to cover our time answering client questions. Third we offer an optional retainer for clients who would like ongoing work done to their site. Hope this helps!
@@oldbonesmcgee Of course it helps and thank you very much for your time. 🥰
can you do one with oxygen builder in mind
Very nice content! Thank's a lot
Thanks for sharing!
I have only doodled around in webflow so far, but i like it already more because i have the feeling i have full control over everything. When u said some widgets in elementor sometimes dont do or look what you want them to do or look like, i had to think of the accordion which has the first item open and you cant change that, you have to write custom css/js and then it still opens for a brief moment before js is loaded 🤯
also i read in webflow you can export clean html/css/js code, which i find quite interesting for small static sites which would in this particular case make hosting alot cheaper compared to wp, i tried a feature like this on figma and it was a huge disappointment
so far webflow seems to give one so much more freedom about everything
Yes for sure! Lots of frustrations like that using pre-built widgets in Elementor.
The limitation is that you can't export sites with a CMS obviously, but for small static sites it does generate clean code. We've actually built a front-end for a web app in Webflow that was handed off to a developer to make into a full app. They confirmed the code was clean and well structured.
@@DesignBreak You are not right about cms export that is also possible, i looked that up too, i searched for "webflow to wordpress" and a guy showed up showing a tool called udesly i think and apparently its integrated with webflow and wordpress, at the moment i cant check this but i bookmarked it, it seems very promising. I know that clients might not care about the webflow hosting price, but when it comes to being hosted on us servers, its tricky with german datapolicies laws.
This is the video i found. th-cam.com/video/EjuKKCsTmPM/w-d-xo.html
@@JustAn0therSoul Ah yes, you can use something like Udesly to move to WordPress, however then you have to use WordPress 😬
But yes the EU data policies are something Webflow are aware of and they are bringing an EU data center online very soon.
Hi Daniel,
Loved the comparison, thankyou for these wonderful videos.
I had a small doubt regarding the tools,
What about licensing/copyright of the codes we generate through them?
With a subscription are we buying rights to the code that we can sell too as an agency or a freelancer?
I was curious, how things work out in this aspects. Considering I'm new to web designing and freelancing and don't want any trouble regarding copyrights.
Thanks for the kind words! That's a great question. Webflow does allow you to export your site, but only if it's a static site not using the CMS functions. So you could then sell that site on without any issue. For sites with CMS, you have to host on Webflow, and as long as Webflow are getting their monthly fee for that hosting, you can bill the client for the work you did building the site on Webflow. Our agreement with clients mentions that we cannot transfer intellectual property that doesn't belong to us over to them. Since we only licence it ourselves, they are only able to licence it too. This applies for things like stock images too, where we have bought only the licence to use the image, not the IP itself. Hope this helps, and good luck on your web journey!
@@DesignBreak Okay got it, so we need to have a detailed contract. Will keep this in mind.
Thankyou for a thoughtful and in-depth answer. Appreciate your help. 🙏
I have been evaluating webflow as someone who has been using Wordpress since the beginning. Your vide helpful. I like Elementor and Divi and use them daily. The issue with Wordpress is Wordpress itself and the collision course it is on with its own Gutenberg page builder and these third party ones. Gutenberg is a mess in my view and far away from being prime time. These issues coupled with the constant software and security issues are making me look at webflow. Both are flexible in different ways. Webflow is flexible from design perspective and Wordpress with its vast library of plugins is flexible from functionality aspect. I think the reality is it is hard to get completely away from Wordpress, but I think diversification into webflow is probably a good idea for many freelancers.
WeWeb vs WebFlow please
One main question, clients can’t update any of their own basic content w Webflow rt?
I'm not sure what you're asking exactly but yes you can definitely update your content in Webflow.
Have u tried editorX ? Would really like to hear your opinion on that....
If you export Webflow Download to Netlify with a VERY QUICK zip upload, hosting is free and SSL secure. Costs nothing.
very useful comparison.. very helpful in making the decision as a designer. You didnt compare seo though
Thanks! And that is a good point. I think from the standpoint of being able to easily edit all the required SEO content, they are both capable. However Wordpress does have tools that can review your actual SEO content. Worth mentioning though that there are tools that will also review SEO content if you provide a site URL. Not quite as easy as the SEO review in the GUI that Wordpress has.
This video is pretty old comparing where Elementor is now especially if you use their Hosting and Plugin together.
Very good video. Thank you
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Ty so much!
hi. is your agency's website built on webflow
Hi Elnur, yes our website is built on Webflow, and all the websites in our portfolio are also all built on Webflow too :)
great perspective
Great video, thanks for sharing! I have a question: how is the hosting part with webflow?
As a freelancer, I prefer to build the website/functionalities and let the client think about hosting. I don't want to get involved with it.
Can I do it with webflow? Can you share your workflow about this aspect?
What about customer support? Elementor's customer support is terrible. Do you have any experiences with Webflow's? I'm really thinking of moving towards them as I start my agency.
Yes that's a good point and something I should have mentioned! Yes I do have experience with Webflow's customer service, which was excellent. It's not an instant response live chat (although they were trialling this) but it's always a very knowledgeable response, and they definitely took the time to look into the problem and find the best solution. I'll maybe make a part 2 video covering some of the points I missed in this first video.
@@DesignBreak Good to know. Elementor has chat support for customers, for basic issues (identifying plugin conflicts or plugin issues not coming from Elementor, or to help you use Elementor correctly). But for any actual issues with Elementor, it's moved to email support and they take forever to reply.
Good points. I've been using Elementor for a couple of years now, but have seriously considered trying webflow. Just what to comment on one of your points. You mentioned Elementor widgets may not look or do exactly what you want, then and you need to get extra widgets. But if I want to customize a widget it's pretty simple to add CSS or any other custom code if you need to modify that widget.
Some good points, but mostly a bad video for somebody looking for a good answer to the question.
Prices are not approximate, to have a site with Elementor the value is much lower.
WebFlow's learning curve may not be worth the effort. If you want to stop using Elementor and evolve your design, you might want to hire a developer.
That's definitely an option! Although if you factor in the cost of hiring a developer, and the collaboration time needed to communicate to a developer how animated sections should work etc, then the cost definitely increases. Our experience is that for our skillset, the Webflow learning curve was absolutely worth it, and has even allowed us (as designers) to start thinking like developers.
Your comparison was very helpful, thank you! As a new startup business with no code experience - I’m shying away from WP/Elementor. Love the look of Webflow!
Question: would you still suggest Webflow if I need it just as a company website to link to multiple sites where I work with clients? This includes a learning management system and Microsoft teams. Would also need supporting tools like email marketing, surveys, memberships, funnels, sales pages, etc. etc. 🤪
I’d basically like to spend my time creating content and working with clients - not on technical, so any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
If you need to add some more functionality like Form Autoresponse, you are fucked up with Webflow. Webflow doesn't even offers Dedicated Mail Accounts. Webflow is ok for WYSIWYG designers.
True, and elementor is not for kids, it's for legends who knows it really well😉
Sounds is bad
This video is biased
I disagree 😅