► Patreon: / dena ► Store: www.teepublic.... ► PayPal: www.paypal.me/... Time to compare (and contrast) a Red Dwarf episode to an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation with a similar plot. Engage, Smeghead!
When ever I see Data with his skull cap off, I can only assume that Dr. Noonian Soong was the kind of person to deck out his PC with all the lights only to shove it under his desk.
The "Don't give me the Star Trek crap, it's too early in the morning!" scene was a great way to start the video. I laughed the instant Kryten started talking because I knew what was coming.
I always liked how Brent Spiner could make Data interesting despite ostensibly being emotionless. A lesser actor would make that kind of character boring.
I know others have already mentioned it, but I also have the book that made this comparison years ago, but I was highly entertained by this video all the same. When I finally did see 'Clues', I really wanted Worf to stomp onto the bridge with his leg in a cast demanding "Ok, which one of you chimpanzees did this?"
Also, Phantasms (which originally aired 4 days after Gunmen of the Apocalypse) has people going into an android's dreams to interpret metaphors enabling them to defeat a malicious organism/virus
Surprising idea for a video, and rather interesting. Not sure if I absolutely need to have all episodes of Star Trek be compared to all episodes of Red Dwarf, but ones like these are fun, so sure, go ahead :)
Patrick Stewart directed "A fistful of Datas". When he randomly started watching "Gunmen of the Apocalypse" he first thought they had ripped his episode and considered suing them. Then he continued to watch and realized it was a comedy.
Was thinking the same thing. Plus both "A Fistful of Datas" and "Gunmen of the Apocalypse" show the western settings as simulations. So there's an interesting parallel.
I saw someone reacting to ST:TNG Clues, and I've recently been watching RD, and my brain just said - there MUST be someone out there somewhere who has made this comparison. And I was right! Thanks.
I always thought it was weird that Picard was explaining to Guinan about human mysteries, even though she lived on Earth and went to parties with Mark Twain.
9:28 what worf says is true , usually someone from outside the ship has to be present to beat him up. Qu montage of Worf getting thosed around like a rag doll
It's a common thing seen in fiction; a character established as a strong fighter is beaten up to show how powerful the bad guy is and establish the stakes are high. It's also common for said character to get beaten A LOT over time. A site called TV Tropes has named it "The Worf Effect." Clearly that montage would be very long.
@@Wright805 and Michael Dorn was all too aware of it, as one of his conditions for reprising Worf for Deep Space Nine was Worf would get to win more fights.
Even though I do have the complete series of both on DVD, I've not gotten all the way through Next Generation like I have Red Dwarf, in fact, don't think I've seen Clues before, but this was a fun video to see, so if you want to do more in the future, I'm all game for it.
@@Cyborcat You could do one on A Fistful of Datas and Gunman of the Apocalypse too. Apparently TNG and Red Dwarf did willfully copy each other from time-to-time. Love your stuff. Thanks for the videos.
I haven't watched Star Trek since the original series, but it is fascinating to see how STNG and RD are similar. Would love to see a comparison between "A fist full of Datas" and "Gunmen". BTW You Rock Dena! :)
Yessss I'm a huge trekkie so know tons of trivia. LIKE Whoopi Goldberg asked the producers if she could have a part in the show. They were taken aback because why would a Hollywood film star want to be on a TV show? And not even one in a prime time spot? Well the reason is that Uhura on the bridge inspired her into acting
Have you watched Star Trek Discovery at all? I swear they lifted a joke from Red Dwarf! There's a bit where Tilly leaves a room, only to be seen seconds later running past the door again in the opposite direction from the direction she left in. My first thought is "That's what Rimmer did when he was going to his exam in the first episode!"
I really love clues…it’s right at the top end of the scale. Masks is right at the other end By the way….I’d ABSOLUTELY watch a full episode review of TNG - VOY al-a your Red dwarf series.
11:53 - Well, considering all the insane admirals and questionable policies that have come out of Starfleet Command over this franchise's history, it's not an *unreasonable* assumption...
Thanks for the Memory was the first episode I ever saw. But it must have been a repeat because I saw it after viewing a potential secondary school which must have been 1989.
According to the Official Red Dwarf Guide printed in the late 90s, Another TNG episode that’s been mentioned for comparison is “The Game” in relation to “Better Than Life.” Though in this case it apparently has more in common with the novel than the actual episode itself, but worth a mention.
the biggest problem i have with clues is the only reason it went wrong is because data claimed they were out for 30 seconds, that was obviously going to be found out at some point, then at the end he did it again, why didn't he just say a day it would have worked much better.
17:00 lol thats an image of rikers clone/brother thomas riker. or i suppose that was the joke, as thomas left starfleet for the maquis? so he is also an "anti" riker.
Legs and jigsaws, the RD crew didn't think things thru but where they at really let themselves down is in trying to work out how they lost the four days. The technology to erase memories is on the ship and seems to be common knowledge among the crew but they don't seem to consider the possibility they did it themselves. Trimmer even talks about a "mind probe" as alien tech but that's just Rimmer, the man who would assume aliens used their toilet paper rather than consider the Cat took it and didn't tell them. x
The Enterprise reset their clocks. Fortunately, they also reset every clock in the Federation, every power the Federation has contact with, and all time agencies that might notice that this has been done.
Oh, I figured you liked data because he had a cat. Or, really, more than one, it would seem. Spot has been both male and female, and it would be just like Data to give two cats the same name.
I love RD and I love Star Trek! I also love Lister, and that line 0:07 , a very British SOH there. One of my favourite Lister lines. "Clues" is a great episode, but an obvious copy, but I don't think there is anything wrong with that, though. There is always going to be some kind of influence. I'm being picky, but Picard said to Data, "You are likely to be stripped down to your wires!" WTF? Picard has always advocated for Data, especially in "Measure of a Man" and it seems a bit odd for him to say that. Also, what happens when the Enterprise gets back to Starfleet territory, and reset the ship's chronometer and they're a day or whatever out? You say Riker is the anti-Rimmer? I think Riker is more like Ace Rimmer! 😆 Yes, you did just compare Holly to Data......"Gordon Bennett". 🤣😂 Worf: "A warrior does not complain about physical discomfort." 😅🤣 Cat: "Did you look behind the fridge?" 🤣😂 Great vid! Very funny.
Wasn't Picard warning Data Starfleet would likely strip him down to his wires unless he told them the truth because of what happened before in "Measure of a Man"?
Ah a fellow dax and worf fan, nice. Now if you tell me that your also keen on Seven/ Chakotay on voyager that would be awesome. Though I find it interesting that if you watch series 6 of voyager seven and Chakotay do spend a lot more time togather and seem to be getting closer together it's just that series 7 kind of forgot to do anything with the set up possibility until like the last five episodes so the had a possible set up but no fallow through. Or at least a rushed concusion Kind of like game of thrones now that I think about it
Actually even Jeri and Robert felt this coupling was out of left field. Robert hated being on Voyager and joked to the scriptwriters that if they had no plan for his character, they might as well start having Chakotay date Seven. To both of their shocks, this appeared in the next/final script!
When ever I see Data with his skull cap off, I can only assume that Dr. Noonian Soong was the kind of person to deck out his PC with all the lights only to shove it under his desk.
The "Don't give me the Star Trek crap, it's too early in the morning!" scene was a great way to start the video. I laughed the instant Kryten started talking because I knew what was coming.
That's one of my favorite lines from the series ^.^
"Yes, I did just compare Data to Holly."
"Gordon Bennett!"
(laughs in public)
I always liked how Brent Spiner could make Data interesting despite ostensibly being emotionless. A lesser actor would make that kind of character boring.
Especially in an episode like this, where Data doesn't act all that different, but he feels a little off until the reveal, a little more menacing.
Would love more of these comparison videos. Your RD Vlogs are always great
I know others have already mentioned it, but I also have the book that made this comparison years ago, but I was highly entertained by this video all the same. When I finally did see 'Clues', I really wanted Worf to stomp onto the bridge with his leg in a cast demanding "Ok, which one of you chimpanzees did this?"
"Whoever did this to my foot will die without honour!"
Fistful of Datas vs Gunmen of the Apocalypse HAS TO HAPPEN
Heck yeah!
Also, Phantasms (which originally aired 4 days after Gunmen of the Apocalypse) has people going into an android's dreams to interpret metaphors enabling them to defeat a malicious organism/virus
Surprising idea for a video, and rather interesting. Not sure if I absolutely need to have all episodes of Star Trek be compared to all episodes of Red Dwarf, but ones like these are fun, so sure, go ahead :)
I'd love to see more videos like this! This was fun! :D
I'd love to see more of these comparison videos. "Fistful of Datas" vs "Gunmen of the Apocalypse" would be awesome!
Patrick Stewart directed "A fistful of Datas". When he randomly started watching "Gunmen of the Apocalypse" he first thought they had ripped his episode and considered suing them. Then he continued to watch and realized it was a comedy.
@@MrKarlMANno1 Yeah I remember seeing Patrick Stewart talk about that during Red Dwarf Night.
Was thinking the same thing. Plus both "A Fistful of Datas" and "Gunmen of the Apocalypse" show the western settings as simulations. So there's an interesting parallel.
@@AndrewChapman Agreed.
Do it!
Great concept! Both shows draw from a similar well, so it's great to see the comparisons.
ShamockParticle - weren't simulants also heavily influenced by Blade Runner replicants?
13:11 "AGGGGHHH!!! My wrist! My wrist! My wrist! It's broken! Help me find my fingers!"
I saw someone reacting to ST:TNG Clues, and I've recently been watching RD, and my brain just said - there MUST be someone out there somewhere who has made this comparison. And I was right! Thanks.
I always thought it was weird that Picard was explaining to Guinan about human mysteries, even though she lived on Earth and went to parties with Mark Twain.
I never watched RD, but I do love this episode of TNG. Thanks, Dena.
You're amazing. Thank you again, for the content!
I seem to remember an official RD paperback episode guide pointing the similarities out.
Yeah, it wasn't until after I announced I was gonna do this that I found out that someone else had already made the comparison, but oh well.
9:28 what worf says is true , usually someone from outside the ship has to be present to beat him up.
Qu montage of Worf getting thosed around like a rag doll
It's a common thing seen in fiction; a character established as a strong fighter is beaten up to show how powerful the bad guy is and establish the stakes are high. It's also common for said character to get beaten A LOT over time. A site called TV Tropes has named it "The Worf Effect." Clearly that montage would be very long.
@@Wright805 and Michael Dorn was all too aware of it, as one of his conditions for reprising Worf for Deep Space Nine was Worf would get to win more fights.
Definitely need to see more like this! I love learning more about TNG! Also, we need holodecks in the life. Yay LARP!
That one dislike like was from Star trek
LOL
Even though I do have the complete series of both on DVD, I've not gotten all the way through Next Generation like I have Red Dwarf, in fact, don't think I've seen Clues before, but this was a fun video to see, so if you want to do more in the future, I'm all game for it.
Love the skutters RD theme in the backround 👍🏻
I love how cheesy and fun that version of the theme is ^.^
Love this! Would love to see more star trek reviews from you
this was a fun video, a touch light on the comparison aspect, but fun none the less
Yeah, it probably could have done with a rewrite and condensed a bit, but oh well. Glad people seem to like it ^.^
@@Cyborcat You could do one on A Fistful of Datas and Gunman of the Apocalypse too. Apparently TNG and Red Dwarf did willfully copy each other from time-to-time.
Love your stuff. Thanks for the videos.
@@danielyeshe I already did, actually XD
Glad you like the videos, tho! ^.^
@@CyborcatExcellent. And I just realised I should have watched the whole video before commenting. Oops.
Yeah, I see the Paxons went heavy on the blush.
That made me laugh harder than it should have =P
I haven't watched Star Trek since the original series, but it is fascinating to see how STNG and RD are similar. Would love to see a comparison between "A fist full of Datas" and "Gunmen". BTW You Rock Dena! :)
Thanks ^.^
that was pretty cool. I'd love to see more.
Yessss I'm a huge trekkie so know tons of trivia.
LIKE
Whoopi Goldberg asked the producers if she could have a part in the show. They were taken aback because why would a Hollywood film star want to be on a TV show? And not even one in a prime time spot? Well the reason is that Uhura on the bridge inspired her into acting
This was pretty good. I would like to see more of this kind of video.👍
ive only recently got round to watching tng.. omg your so right on the comparison i noticed how similar they are.
Yep, this is really great comparisons for two great shows
I was already reaching for the telephone to call my lawyer, when something happened that made me laugh.
I love that story.
Brilliant idea!
Funny your comment about the use of “alien” in _Star Trek_ given that one line in _The Undiscovered Country_ regarding “inalienable Human rights”.
Heh. I haven't seen that movie in ages, so I didn't remember the line.
Have you watched Star Trek Discovery at all? I swear they lifted a joke from Red Dwarf! There's a bit where Tilly leaves a room, only to be seen seconds later running past the door again in the opposite direction from the direction she left in. My first thought is "That's what Rimmer did when he was going to his exam in the first episode!"
Considering Discovery stole a hsitbag of elements from Tardigrades, why NOT steal from Red Dwarf? * bitter*
I really love clues…it’s right at the top end of the scale. Masks is right at the other end
By the way….I’d ABSOLUTELY watch a full episode review of TNG - VOY al-a your Red dwarf series.
11:53 - Well, considering all the insane admirals and questionable policies that have come out of Starfleet Command over this franchise's history, it's not an *unreasonable* assumption...
Thanks for the Memory was the first episode I ever saw. But it must have been a repeat because I saw it after viewing a potential secondary school which must have been 1989.
According to the Official Red Dwarf Guide printed in the late 90s, Another TNG episode that’s been mentioned for comparison is “The Game” in relation to “Better Than Life.” Though in this case it apparently has more in common with the novel than the actual episode itself, but worth a mention.
Oh, I hadn't thought to compare those two. I'll keep that in mind.
Death day dance party? Count me in!
I'd like to see more.
the biggest problem i have with clues is the only reason it went wrong is because data claimed they were out for 30 seconds, that was obviously going to be found out at some point, then at the end he did it again, why didn't he just say a day it would have worked much better.
Yes! Loved this video and I do want to see more! Pretty please. With sugar on?
GREAT CHANNEL
they've been showing the original star trek series in britain and i think red dwarf drew on them a lot.
17:00 lol thats an image of rikers clone/brother thomas riker. or i suppose that was the joke, as thomas left starfleet for the maquis? so he is also an "anti" riker.
Legs and jigsaws, the RD crew didn't think things thru but where they at really let themselves down is in trying to work out how they lost the four days. The technology to erase memories is on the ship and seems to be common knowledge among the crew but they don't seem to consider the possibility they did it themselves. Trimmer even talks about a "mind probe" as alien tech but that's just Rimmer, the man who would assume aliens used their toilet paper rather than consider the Cat took it and didn't tell them. x
The Enterprise reset their clocks. Fortunately, they also reset every clock in the Federation, every power the Federation has contact with, and all time agencies that might notice that this has been done.
2:25 - Title Drop!
Worf and Dax are the best couple!
The one person who disliked this video are the Tau'shiar.
it was intresting to see
Oh, I figured you liked data because he had a cat.
Or, really, more than one, it would seem. Spot has been both male and female, and it would be just like Data to give two cats the same name.
I love RD and I love Star Trek! I also love Lister, and that line 0:07 , a very British SOH there. One of my favourite Lister lines.
"Clues" is a great episode, but an obvious copy, but I don't think there is anything wrong with that, though. There is always going to be some kind of influence.
I'm being picky, but Picard said to Data, "You are likely to be stripped down to your wires!" WTF? Picard has always advocated for Data, especially in "Measure of a Man" and it seems a bit odd for him to say that. Also, what happens when the Enterprise gets back to Starfleet territory, and reset the ship's chronometer and they're a day or whatever out?
You say Riker is the anti-Rimmer? I think Riker is more like Ace Rimmer! 😆
Yes, you did just compare Holly to Data......"Gordon Bennett". 🤣😂
Worf: "A warrior does not complain about physical discomfort." 😅🤣
Cat: "Did you look behind the fridge?" 🤣😂
Great vid! Very funny.
Wasn't Picard warning Data Starfleet would likely strip him down to his wires unless he told them the truth because of what happened before in "Measure of a Man"?
Will you review the two pilot episodes of Red dwarf America
Already did. I think it's between Seasons 5 and 6 in the playlist, since that's when it happened.
Ah a fellow dax and worf fan, nice. Now if you tell me that your also keen on Seven/ Chakotay on voyager that would be awesome. Though I find it interesting that if you watch series 6 of voyager seven and Chakotay do spend a lot more time togather and seem to be getting closer together it's just that series 7 kind of forgot to do anything with the set up possibility until like the last five episodes so the had a possible set up but no fallow through.
Or at least a rushed concusion
Kind of like game of thrones now that I think about it
Actually even Jeri and Robert felt this coupling was out of left field. Robert hated being on Voyager and joked to the scriptwriters that if they had no plan for his character, they might as well start having Chakotay date Seven. To both of their shocks, this appeared in the next/final script!
I like your thoughts and comparisons vids!
Yes more hehehe
Can you do Beyond a Joke VS Trojan?
I kind of already talked about the similarities when I covered Trojan--I don't think I could make that a whole video.
why not just review all the star trek ?
ALL OF IT !!!!
ALL of the trek! XD