Britney Spears Fights Her Conservatorship
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Britney has been under a conservatorship for over a decade. What's going on?
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I'm with a vast set of the comments on this video today, a discussion of the Cosby case would be heartbreaking but valuable.
Bill Cosby is being released after his conviction was overturned.
Do more better call Saul.
Everything
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The fact that Jamie Spears was barred from seeing his grandchildren because of his conduct but was allowed to continue to be the conservator of his daughter is insane
He's the one who should be under conservatorship...
@@SonsOfLorgar most would call it jail.
@@itsthevoiceman Well a conservatorship is worse so id prefer that
Thats the “Legal” system for you. Laws are Just a bunch of imaginary rules that go on to prevent people from living their life the way they want to.
Its why I will always be an anarchist at heart.
That actually seems to have been the point where Britney put her foot down and said "Get him out, or I will not work". She loves her kids and Jaime abusing them was not acceptable plus, since Jaime is controlling her and around her, a restraining order against him limited her ability to see the kids.
Forcing a conservatorship on someone because she can't handle the stress in her life and suffering a mental breakdown and then forcing her to go on tour is hypocritical and abusive.
Didn't thinn of that angle, thats fantastically twisted.
And who caused the stress breakdown by pushing her...
100%
To “conserve” literally means to “protect/keep safe”, like with animal conservation. How on earth is putting her on stage “keeping her safe”? If they really wanted and needed to protect her, they would be reducing her time on stage and having her rest on her laurels in her giant mansion.
I’m not advocating for that, mind you. If she’s mentally able to perform, let her choose to do that instead of forcing her.
Something to note is that her mental breakdown is said to have come from the fact that her dad and other's already managed her appearance and life as a Star.
If you notice, all she did when she had it was cut her hair and change her appearence, so that she couldn't be controlled.
She's always been fine, she just wanted to be free and it was used against her
Britney's father is right. She is being abused, and taken advantage of, BY HIM.
That a lie
@@andreafoxx925 Prove it.
You had us in the first part ngl
Nice pfp
HAHA.
My mother had stage 4 cancer, then had a major stroke. She couldn't speak, swallow water, move half of her body... I was her only family. I STILL didn't have thr amount of control they have over Britney.
I'm so sorry about your mother. :( That sounds awful.
@@TheEDFLegacy thanks.. weird with Britney. It's so hard to take the freedom from a person who needs someone to make decisions. Weird about Britney. Even if she spent all her money, and lived out of a cart? Still..doesn't she have that right?
@@sunnylilme Agreed.
That’s horrible, but still an entirely different situation. That’s taking care of the severely sick and physically disabled versus a child star with a history of mental issues and disappearances who was specialized since she was a child. . She was being controlled and abused by her last boyfriend as well.
@@drew5121 no..what I'm saying is although i was her only family., and she was so so sick..It was so legally difficult to make medical decisions, pay bills etc. Britney can walk, talk, work earn..etc. i had to prove she was unable to walk, talk to get power of attorney. I had to reprove this every month. It just seems bizarre she's so controlled, when I've seen how hard the process is. It's hard for good reason. Even after I got poa, I had to prove i wasn't behaving irresponsibly with her bills on a monthly basis. Seems like britts folks, just running wild
As a Californian physician, I've submitted conservatorship paperwork on behalf of gravely disabled patients multiple times, and have dealt with already-conserved patients many more times than that. The bar for general conservatorship is, and should be, extremely high. It is mind-boggling that Britney is still conserved at this point.
Thank you for your perspective. I’ve tried to find info but no luck.
Same here in Australia it’s very intense and have to prove and argue to judges about decisions and purchases. This doesn’t seem the case in this one.
This blows my mind she’s been in this for years. She has proven she has been relatively stable for a long time. She should at least have her personal autonomy back.
Sadly the judge denied her request.
its mind boggling that she was conserved in the first place. lol
Given the bar is so high, is it possible, if not likely, that there is something about her that we don't know that would justify the conservatorship? Could she have some serious mental health issues that impact her ability to make decisions for herself?
The mother of my brother's two young children is an alcoholic, depressed, possibly bipolar is dealing with child trauma that she's never gotten over. Now I don't think she would need conservatorship but I've seen her passed out on the floor, lying about where she's been and lying about drinking behind our backs as well as abuse towards my brother and her own family. I would have to imagine Britney was/is dealing with similar issues for this to be upheld.
@@Reynolds69er The bar is so high that it is hard to imagine she could put on concerts and put out albums while still meeting the requirements for conservatorship of person (i.e. being unable to make personal decisions like IUD removal, or even being unable to decide to see a doctor at all on her own).
To provide perspective, the patients I've taken care of who warranted conservatorship would forget they are in the hospital, wander out to the parking lot in the middle of the night barefoot, claim they are walking home despite not remembering their address, and insist they didn't need any help. And even then, sometimes the court will decide a person doesn't meet the criteria if they can describe the most basic plan for providing themselves food and shelter!
Britney's public behavior at the start of the conservatorship ~2008 would seem to maybe have justified it then, but it's not appropriate to use conservatorship as a permanent solution for a temporary problem (i.e. drug use, psychiatric illness prior to treatment).
This whole thing is starting to sound like "prove to me you're not a witch" kind of deal. In more ways than one.
Excellent metaphor.
Go back under control of your conservator to prove you're not crazy.
Like she is being asked when was the last time you beat your wife ...they have pathologize d..her and they don't want let go of her .
+
The S in USA stands for slavery, prove me wrong
I had a limited conservatorship for my disable sister. I consisted of living arrangements, money and health care. Mostly it was to protect her from predatory people. I took no monetary remuneration. For her family to use Spears like this is criminal. Or should be. This is slavery. The conservatorship rules have been severely abused. Lawyers have gained conservatorships over older adults without those adults even knowing that they were being considered for conservatorship.
As a white woman, I did not use the S word, but that is exactly what I thought also. She is being whipped.
@@Flowergurl2000 Please don't stress so much about using the "S" word.
When you don't use the word "slave", you just give justification to the person doing the enslaving. That's what happens with free labor in prisons, that's what happens in crazy conservatorships like this, that's what happens with the importing of clothes.
Please please please use the word slave. It may sound wrong, but in these cases, people not using the word is what allowed this kinda shit to keep going on.
@@Flowergurl2000 why the hell is using word "slave" a negative thing. Call things just as they are named. Soon people will have to talk in alphabeti
@@Flowergurl2000 The world slave has nothing to do with racist if that’s what you are afraid of. In the US there were thousands of black slaves, but we also enslaved the Chinese, Irish, natives etc. By literal definition it’s someone who is labeled as property of another and is forced to work/obey without proper remuneration. Use the word in its proper context.
I'm late to this conversation, but the objections I've heard to using the word "slave" are:
1. While the general definition is as you've said - a person considered property of another person - and includes many forms of indentured servitude and oppression, it has come to refer to the US's style of chattel slavery more specifically. Chattel slavery is nothing to make comparisons to. It's not just owning you, but owning your family, your children, your children's children, no chance of earning your freedom, no legal protections at all, considered and used by the society around you as a non-sapient animal, and being subject to horrors most of us can't even imagine.
2. Even using the term "slave" for someone victim to chattel slavery dehumanizes them and makes the cruelty inflicted upon them their defining characteristic. They are a person. They are an enslaved person, but the emphasis needs to be that they are a /person/ with needs and wants and dreams and a culture and language and family and a home they miss.
Asking the question, "Why Britney Spears wants out of her conservatorship?" is like asking a prisoner why they want out of prison. It doesn't require asking, the answer should be assumed.
Some prisoners don’t want out of prison… outside world is too much
I was thinking that too. Unbelievable she has to explain why she wants her human rights
This is insane, so literally everyone who could advocate for Britney to end the conservatorship is currently profiting from the conservatorship continuing, how is this not an incredible conflict of interest?
the other question is how a conservator who agreed that he has done "something" awful to children - so awful that he cant' approach them - is considered to be the best person to take care of a mentally ill patient (as they present Britney)?
And how can a conservator who decides what does his 'patient' wear makes the decision to exploit her as a sexual object in the media?! :)
reminds me of Stan Lee's story
@@GreenCardShow amazing points.
I wish that for suspected mental illness or breakdown that there were different steps to tackle the conservatorship. Since, obviously an old person will probably be on it for life, it's understood that they aren't really going to need to appeal it. But for someone that endures a mental breakdown, I feel like we should at least change it to a maximum of 4 or 5 years, no longer. After it expires, if further help is needed, of course it could be renewed. But this needs to be brought to the court more. There could possibly video proof for the conservatee that is required, that way if they need to appeal, they can show that they were competent and compliant. I feel like 4 or 5 years should be enough time, although it is a bit much. But a whole decade is insane
Free Britney!
Considering everything Britney's been through, her 'outbursts' were pretty restrained.
Right? The more you look into it and understand, the less crazy she seems and the more apparent it is she was pushed over the edge. I remember hearing years later that the reason she shaved her head was because everyone kept touching he hair even though she asked them not to. I guess she didn't have much say on how she wore or cut her hair either. She just wanted some control of her own hair, body and life back, and if that's not one of the saddest things I've ever heard. 🥺
As a mental health worker I wholeheartedly agree.
Yeah. She is not crazy. They try to drive her crazy. That's how they justify the conservatorship, by drugging her and beating her down emotionally on purpose, so her mental state won't look good.
i heard it was because she had taken drugs which stay in hair and she wanted to keep her baby so she got rid of evidence
@@ericklestrange6255 they can grab hair from any part of the body even if it's small because the important part is actually the hair follicle not the hair itself
It’s bonkers that the burden of proof should be on Britney to show that she doesn’t need the conservatorship. Literally the first line in the main English law on mental capacity is that a person is presumed to have capacity unless it’s established that they don’t.
Wel....
She obviously does not have capacity...
Expectation: "home of the free, land of the brave"
Reality: "the biggest pop queen from the 2000's is now a modern slave"
...4 U
Sorry bad joke.
Eugenics is alive and well and being practiced in 2021 in the United States - Men controlling women’s bodies, and Britney Spears is telling us all how it be!
@@doctoroclock7732 men don't control women's bodies. The only thing that happens is abortion which isn't even a reproductive right.
@@rileytubegaming9065 thank you for saying that.
@@ssj2camaro21 saying what. I completely forgot what I said XD
Dad's made several million 'caring' for his kid.
And the kid would probably end up dead with an overdose in a ditch...
(in the beginning. But with time he should have helped her get back on her feet and the part should be reevaluated regularly)
@@wowrada he shouldn't have been making a profit at all.
@@wowrada BINGO. He's had 10+ years to coach his daughter out of needing this kind of supervision. Instead, he's inherently claiming that she has some deep flaw that forever keeps her from reaching maturity.
It's disgusting and a total betrayal of what it means to be a parent.
It’s an exceptionally scummy way to get around the child labor laws in California. She had zero protections. No one cared because she very publicly shaved her head. Zomg! Let’s take away all of her rights and force her to perform. She’s too sick to say no, and she can’t see her kids if she tries, but it’s totally for her protection.
And he wasnt the most adecuate to care for her tought he has his own issues with alcohol abuse and has gone in bankrupcy before...also is kind of he care when is convenient for him because britney can work and make profit but cant take her own decitions...that's kind of sus 😅
CA courts: "we're worried you'll spend money recklessly"
Also CA courts: "we're going to need you to pay 100k a month in legal fees"
It's worse than that; spending money recklessly doesn't justify a conservatorship under CA law.
Also pay a lawyer you didn't choose $10000 a month, and pay your dad $10000 even though he somehow abused your own children, his grandchildren. Hm.
Couldn't you just leave California or USA?
@@dr1flush if Britney is considered not mentally competent enough so that she cannot have control of her money and whether or not she goes on tour, she may not be legally allowed to move out of state or out of country. Anyone else know if that is the case?
@@dr1flush If I were her, I would run away and sue the CA conservatorship law at The Hague Human Rights Tribunal. But she wants to be close to her children.
JS: Britney isn't competent to handle her own business without being taken advantage of.
Judge: Do you have any evidence?
JS: I'm taking advantage of her right now and she isn't competent to stop me.
the irony
Literally though :(
How much you wanna bet he doesn't risk being in the same room as his own daughter? At least not without everyone sharper than a spoon being removed!
From my European point of view, this just sounds like a legal way of enslaving someone on whim.
Omg yes
We have a lot of laws like that unfortunately, such as for profit prisons
Everybody: “Free Britney!” US Courts: “Best we can do is free Cosby”. Oh to live in these marvelous times!
I'd prefer if Brittney got liberated, restituted and Jamie and Cosby got thrown into the same cell until their respective natural demise.
You can blame the prosecutors for freeing Cosby.
FYI: The decision about Britney was from the petition filed in November, which is NOT the same petition for which Britney testified. That decision has not been determined yet.
And the prosecuter who made the deal with Cosby is the same idiot who made a fool of himself defending Trump in the second impeachment trial, to give perspective...
@@whitealliance9540 oh no, not 8 languages! Back when they only admitted it in 7 languages I was sure it was just a joke, but if the governments have admitted it in 8 whole languages then surely it is the truth!
"She's unable to resist fraud or manipulation! We must protect her by forcing her into a situation where she's constantly manipulated and defrauded by the very people keeping her trapped in said situation!"
Oh the irony!
Typical! Bottom feeder families know no limits!
I was just about to post this. I like the idea in theory, but it seems like it's too easy to abuse, and thus shouldn't be legal. Elder abuse is a thing, and it can happen in elder care facilities as much as it happens in private homes. The only way I can see this working is if EVERY action of the guardian must be publicly made/granted permission by a panel or judge, so as to prevent undue manipulation, but while that's actually fairly simple to pull off (make it an app and allow anyone to access said app to get an eye on the proceedings), I highly doubt that this will ever be done.
The vultures have managed to get their claws on her money, and they will never let go.
That's exactly what I was thinking. It's absolutely sickening
The horrific thing about this is that treating someone like they're crazy for over a decade and treating them as less than human is enough to drive someone crazy... or at least make them seem crazy. Something that MUST be kept in mind by the courts is that a reasonable person may end up seeming unreasonable after being stripped of basic human rights for so long.
True..i grow frustrated around the ex who would always gaslight me and call me crazy... probably act like brittany and attack with umbrellas... how easy it is to shut someone up by framing them crazy...is sad
She's my age. I'm disabled and can't make money for myself. My father doesn't get to control my life. Why should hers?
This isn't just about Britney, it's about disabled people everywhere. I have dwarfism and use a power wheelchair but I live alone and pay all of my own bills. I hurt my back late last year and was terrified to tell anyone about it because I don't want some random extended family member to come out of the woodworks and file a conservatorship on me. I mean, I'd defend my right to do what I want to the death, but I shouldn't have to be terrified about losing all of my rights over something anyone else could have happen to them just because I'm disabled.
That sucks having this hanging over your head, is it really that bad?
Exactly. It makes me so angry that there aren't regular (minimum yearly) checks and balances for conservatorships. One of my autistic friends was genuinely afraid her parents would try to file for conservatorship if they knew about her depression. The parents totally would by the way, they are obsessed about "protecting" (controlling) their daughter. A young woman who is capable of living independently, managing her own finances, and who graduated with a Bachelor's in a very difficult scientific discipline.
You shouldn’t have to worry about losing your rights. I’m sorry. I work with adults with intellectual disabilities and all those I support have what in Canada we call Substitute Decision maker but it’s basically the same thing. And I do people with dementia so it make sense for them. But I supported a lady who fully had her bearings, she was legally married but had an intellectual disabilities and cancer so she got a decision maker and she didn’t get to die the way she wanted. She wanted to stop chemo earlier, but couldn’t. We had to help her fight to get so many things. It was too bad she didn’t get what she want in the end.
America: land of the free. Forced sterilization, mutilation and slavery are not allowed.
also America: Brittney is fine
As the OP, I need to be really clear that I don't have any specific reason to believe any of my family members of mine would do this, I haven't been threatened with it, and my parents just plain wouldn't do that because they're staunchly independent people and recognize my independence too. I have a huge extended family with a lot of drug users, tax evaders, and bad check writers who I wouldn't put it past. It's just always in the back of my mind as a possibility, and I absolutely know disabled people who have had this happen to them, personally. I characterized it as terrifying, but it's moreso that the concept itself is outrageously terrifying--and hurting my back reminded me just how real of a possibility it could be.
That's funny!
"She can't have her own lawyer because I think she would be taken advantage of" says the dad taking advantage of her.
she's damn near 40...
That’s called hipocracy and gaslighting it sounds like.
Yup, typical narcissistic style behaviour
@@JacobMinger, gaslighting is a psychological ploy used to convince someone that they’re crazy in order to take advantage of them. He’s not gaslighting her.
She doesn’t think she’s crazy. She’s aware of what’s happening to her and doesn’t like it.
The dad only wants the money he doesn’t want to give up the rich life
Or is too crazy over "protection" of his "baby-girl." Some parents can be very toxic.
I normally don’t get into celebrity issues, but I feel like this case has a lot of legal ramifications and has the potential for major precedents. I’m very interested in how this turns out.
It really does have implications on the treatment of people with mental illness and the amount of autonomy they can have.
Dad does not want anyone but him taking advantage of his daughter.
Disgusting slug of a person her father is and I can't wait till he is in jail along with all these others that treated her for so long like this
he is not taking advantage of her, he is abusing her.
It sounds like her court appointed lawyer also has a vested interest in keeping her under Jamie's thumb. $10,000 a week in easy money might make a lot of people eager to keep their client's in the dark about their rights.
@@ArtGirl82 Disgusting if any judge would take that things side 🤢
@@costaliberta5969 He’s doing both.
Britney's dad: She can't go into contract without someone exploiting her.
*proceeds to exploit her without her consent*
Exploitation is always without consent lol.
@@sciencecompliance235 eh not if you’re in to that.
@@CTOOFBOOGLE It's not exploitation if you're into it.
I mean since the last contract that she was able to sign was of the conservatorship, so her dad is technically correct on that one /s
At least he can prove his claims.
Hey Legal Eagle, there was this docu-series on Netflix, Dirty Money, that had an interesting episode about guardianship abuse. But as of today, the episode is not on Netflix anymore because one of the lawyers in the episode sued for defamation and Netflix took it down. I'd be very interested to see you break down that episode and the following lawsuit in a future video!
There is a video of Britney on her Instagram preparing lunch for herself which documents her ability to care for herself. In another video she talks about cleaning her home. And then there’s the restraining order between her father and the boys… and no more performing because Jamie can take a cut of her earnings… I think Britney has been preparing for the legal battle for awhile. God bless her. She knows a lot more than she lets on. Hopefully her new lawyer will kick some butt!
What's worse? The conservatorship itself or the judge hearing all of this and being like "Nah, it's fine."?
We don't know the judge's opinion because the lawyer didn't ask the judge to end the conservatorship.
damaskito so the judge isnt allow to say anything yet???
@@missperfectluxury7630 so... Britney wants out of the conservatorship without being reevaluated, because is demeaning and detrimental to her mental health, but the lawyer assumed that the judge wouldn't allow her to end the conservatorship without a mental examination, so he DIDN'T PRESENT the motion to dismiss the conservatorship and Britney thought appearing in court in an articulated manner would be enough to the judge to overturn the conservatorship, but there's nothing he can do without the legal paperwork, that her 10.000 dollars a week lawyer refuse to present.
@Ken Sy he's been approved by her father to represent her and is on her payroll, so yeah, he is her lawyer, and should be disbarred.
After cash for kids nothing is surprising. The system is rotting.
So the court-appointed lawyer is supposed to act in Britney's best interest, but he gets $10k for every week that she's still under conservatorship. I see no conflict of interest here.
Right???
Why doesnt she just get another lawyer is she not allow to??
@@missperfectluxury7630 correct. The assumption is that she isn’t capable of choosing a lawyer because she’s in a conservatorship, so the lawyer is appointed by the court. Classic catch 22.
Icarus Independent Productions okay but it apparently expires after 90 days and yet this has been going on for years ?? And shes over 18+ i mean what made them put her under this in the first place? Over drugs if so why do they keep giving her drugs every day as a “medicine” this is just a corrupted system we live in
half a million for every year he does nothing. actually mind boggling
My mom wanted to do this conservator thing with me years ago. While I'm not the most mentally stable when I'm extremely stressed out, I'm definitely capable of being mostly independent. I'm so glad my doctor wouldn't let us sign anything like that
Your mom is very fortunate that you are not me.
Guess who will be sent to a home... Your mom
I know we don’t know all the particulars, but I hope it’s clear to all that shaving your head and getting ticked off at the paparazzi that are constantly stalking you isn’t evidence for being incapacitated in any way.
She was clearly struggling pretty badly in 2008, but that was TWELVE YEARS AGO.
@@malvoliosf yes but unless you are suicidal or homicidal, mental health crisis usually just means 72 hours in a hospital plus a couple of doctors appointments that might extend that a few days, and if you’re kept in a mental hospital for more than 72 hours against your will, you must get a court hearing within a week or a very short amount of time.
@@jennifermcgoldrick6323 I do not disagree at all. Unless there is some HUGE fact that the court is aware of, but no one else, what should have been a 5150 (72-hour) hold has become a life sentence. If they can do this to a wealthy, famous, popular person, what could they not do to you or me?
@@malvoliosf yes, but no one has interest to do it to us unless we have information they don’t want revealed or money? But yes, people with even minor disabilities - some decent number must be stuck in abusive situations. Perhaps Brittany’s situation will influence change to these laws? Or help disability advocates with fights to change this that they’ve quietly already started? We can hope.
She had a reason for shaving her head and hair grows back anyways. I never saw this as the issue everyone else did. The depression and suicide attempts are a problem but they're no reason to enslave her.
They’re making her work like a horse. Of course they don’t want her to have a baby, that would impact the income.
That is so sad. I hope she can get free
Also of course they dont want her to get married. Then her husband would have a chance of taking over the conservatorship.
Nah. Horses have animal rights.
It all sounds close to indentured servitude.
Yup, it would hand more control to Britney which is what her dad and his team don't want in the first place
When you list the "reasons" Britney was placed under a Conservatorship and realise half of Hollywood should apparently be under one 🙄🙄🙄🙄
And her dad first among those (just prison is too good for the bastard)
Hell most of the world should be. We all make mistakes a lot use drugs and drink and rebel.
after 2020, anyone still living voluntarily in the state of California should be under one
@@billymuellerTikTok make cascadia real
@@billymuellerTikTok All we have to do is manage the daily lives and finances of 39 million people. EZ
It’s disturbing to think that if she murdered someone she’d end up with more freedom than she has now. The US legal system on this issue appears bonkers. Surely there should have to be regular reviews with independent specialists who can then state whether someone has the capacity to manage their own lives.
Well, the main point of a conservatorship is for people who are completely inable to care for themselves. Think someone with advance dementia that doesnt know who they are
That's what gets me - that the conservators, I.e. the people who are paid a salary, are the ones who report to the court whether the conservatorship is still needed - its in their interest to say it needs to continue. If it's true that there's no regular views by independent specialists, that's outrageous.
I am under guardianship for someone to manage my estate, assets etc due to a disability. I was upset when I later found out that guardianship is the most restrictive option and that I was never told of any other options. However my parents are lenient and give me freedom to do whatever I want within reason. They don't control how I spend my money or on what providing I don't overdraw my account. I am so thankful that my parents don't manage every aspect of my life.
I don’t know what your disability is of course but I hope you can get out of this guardianship eventually. Maybe you are very young, but you should make sure you have other people you trust for when your parents pass away, or who will have this control over you? Best of luck, dear ❤️
@@jennifermcgoldrick6323 It's not that simple. It was extremely hard to get services in the first place. Because I look and sound high functioning it looks like I don't need services. But there are some things, outlined above, that I could not take care of myself.
I am allowed to date, have sex if I wanted, and spend my money how I want. They trust me to make good decisions.
Honestly I don't want to get out of the guardianship at this point. It's a legal headache that I just don't want to deal with. My parents essentially let me do whatever within reason, and they understand how important my freedom is to me. They said they will find someone they make sure respects that after they pass.
Thank you for the kind words.
Thank god your parents ACTUALLY care for your wellbeing and aren't taking advantage of you.
@@longlivethegays Yes. I feel very blessed, as these things can go so bad in the hands of the wrong people.
When the conservator names themself the beneficiary of life insurance then chooses to pull the plug without court approval...
Sounds like we just made murder both legal and VERY profitable.
Something, something, conflict of interest? That seems to ring a pretty loud bell.
sounds like something the insurance company could contest.
There has to be a medical necessity for ending life support; such as brain death. If the only thing keeping the conservatee alive is a machine then there’s no conflict as long as the policy was issued before conservatee went comatose and needed to be put on a vent.
Now if the policy was issued after the conservatee fell ill, then yes, I would agree.
So maybe he wants to get the most out of her, get her to die in mysterious circumstances and prevent her from having more children so he could get most of her estate. Theory, but.......
When Bill Cosby is free, but Britney Spears can't even freely access her own income
bill cosby wasnt even released a month ago, spears hasnt been able to access her income for over a decade
@@customlowGD shes been under a conservatorship since before half of the youtube viewerbase was born
Free Britney!
Or her own reproductive rights
@adam smith You mean "doesn't."
Just wondering: if a conservatee can't use his money, choose a lawyer, etc, how is s/he supposed to prove s/he doesn't need a conservator? Worse than that, the conservator is making money being a conservator, so s/he has an interest to prevent the conservatee from doing that.
Man, the law can be extremely scary. To think one can be capable of controlling a fully grown adult to this extent and be completely legal in the eyes of the law. We live in a much more terrifying world than most of us realize.
Kind of f*cked up that this is a legal battle at all, forcing someone to be put on birth control when they want to have a kid is disgusting even by Hollywood/Music industry standards.
It's disgusting by normal standards, it's nothing by hollywood standards unfortunately
Well, sadly, Hollywood has a history of this sort of thing. Her story is similar to Judy Garland's, except back then they didn't need a conservatorship. Just her contract.
As a young teen, they forced her to work inhumane hours on the set of "The Wizard of Oz", giving her amphetamines during the day, and narcotic downers at night. It directly led to her alcoholism and drug problems later, eventually her overdose death.
After she was older, they forced her to get abortions, and prevented numerous marriages she and partners expressed the desire to have.
They also starved her, to try to keep her looking younger, because her looks were what were regarded as "not beautiful or sexy" but "little girl next door". So when she started getting curves, they freaked out and demanded she "lose" them somehow. Sometimes they withheld any food except lettuce and broth. It was absolutely sick.
The difference here is her dad was the driving force instead of a studio. But if you consider the cronies he lined up on every front, it really isn't much different. So awful.
It’s effed but also has a lot of precedent in the United States when it comes to reproductive rights for people with disabilities. There’s a history of full legal sterilization without the person’s consent here, if courts deem said person disabled enough to not make the decision for themselves. I’m glad Britney’s conservatorship didn’t go THAT far.
It's worth reading up on the old eugenics-related laws referenced in the video. They were so bad, the Nazis referenced them both as guides for how to set up their own dehumanizing systems, and to justify that we didn't really hold the moral high ground we hoped for. Some really shocking baggage in our history.
In this case yes, but the rules are probably made for situations, where the parents clearly are incapable of caring for any child they produce.
But there are always someone who will abuse the rules for their own gain.
I don’t want to overreach with my next sentence, not having watched the entire video just yet. But her situation sounds like she’s someone’s property and not a person. Like a slave. Her conservatorship is/was WAY overreaching into her life.
She’s exactly that. Property. The cash cow of her father and his cronies. The fact that she has had basically no rights for over a decade should be a human rights violation.
a conservatorship CAN be good for some people....this however...isn't....
@@ninjaahjumma sadly a cash broodmare.
@UCnh3e1i_j0UOHIasybG6sog not so black/white. This is one of those unintended consequences of existing law that warrants review to be amended.
I agree. She’s been working since she was eight with Disney. And before that dance, singing, gymnastics lessons and competitions. It certainly sounds a lot like her parents realized how talented she was and have using her ever since
Everyone has mental issues these days. As far as I'm concerned her so called breakdown 13 years ago was nothing compared to to what I would have done if paparazzi wasn't leaving me alone and if my life was controlled. Which it was even before the conservative order.
And a lot of it was over the fact that they were trying to take her kids from her. I think many mothers would freak out if that were the case
Seriously, my own aunt had a very public nervous breakdown way back in 2002 when years of a high stress job and some particularly hard times took their toll. A couple months of therapy, mental wellness knowledge, and a less demanding position at her job were the answers.
I'd estimate that her stress paled in comparison to Spears. That this woman has basically had her right to self-determination stripped away, brazenly judged way more harshly than the next person due to her fame, is a gross miscarriage of justice and I hope everybody involved gets sued to the point they need someone to take care of them!!
If you're outraged by how much power Britney's father has over her, despite her being shown to be able to provide and care for herself and others: while this is also a case of blatant misogyny, I'd like to call attention to the fact that Conservatorships, as they function and are shown here, are the kind of systematic ableism that kills people every day. July is Disability Pride Month. Call your representatives and voice your dissatisfaction with laws that take away disabled people's rights and severely impact their quality of life. Fight for disabled people.
Thank you, if they make decisions about us, without us, then it is not good for us.
I’m disabled and I think conservatorships have their place. Not to this extreme almost slave like level, but they do have a place in general. And as a side note you don’t speak for me
@@theAverageJoe25 There are many people under conservatorship, even those with difficulty independently making decisions, who would do better under something less restrictive, like supported decisionmaking. I'm not going to say there are ZERO cases where conservatorship or something like it is the least restrictive decision, but many people who are under a conservatorship may be better served under an arrangement that doesn't restrict their rights to the level a conservatorship can and often does.
@@theAverageJoe25 i initially missed this reply but (and you aren't entitled to this information in the first place, but just so I can have some peace of mind about this thread) I'm speaking for myself. I'm autistic. And conservatorships could exist well enough without taking away our rights.
>misogyny
>ableism
>DISABILITY pride month
>MLP profile picture
Yeah, you just won the bingo of insane twitter stan ramblings. Don't get me wrong, her conservatership seems pretty abusive and it's clear she should be able to run her own life at this point. But like, cmon. Say it in a way that doesn't make me want to ignite twitter HQ (in minecraft, for legal reasons).
Her lawyer needs to be disbarred, after he pays her back. Everything.
Disbarred and sent to prison for the rest of his life
@@jaycrownshaw3902 With the hope that there's a lot of people who understand the scope of the situation who are big Britney fans also behind bars or are at least staff members of said prison. Enjoy your living hell, [insert name of Britney's lawyer].
He knows he’s never going to work again after Britney gets free. No ones going to want to hire him. Either due to moral issues or PR issues.
Imagine being smothered from.speaking for 13 years and only given a few minutes to recount years of abuse. Thats why her testimony was all over at times. She was fighting to contain herself, stick to the notes she wrote but meanwhile, her emotions are raging.
She has never been able to speak publicly. She was so scared they would cut her off before she could she speak her peace
she did a good job in telling a cohesive story under so much stress. if that doesn't prove her stability Idk what could
Yeah she is restraining herself much better than I can and I am competent enough to make my own decisions. She does not need this oversight. It is prejudice that she has it at all.
As for “a respected jurist getting things horribly, horribly wrong” - OWH was a horrible, horrible person. He wasn’t getting anything “wrong” by his lights. He was just a fascist who saw no real limits on the power of the state. If anything, the remark about “three generations of imbeciles” was uncharacteristically thoughtful of him, in that he tried to justify this particular use of power - although he had to lie to do it, Carrie Buck made the dean’s list several times in high school.
This all reminds me of my grandmother, she has like 6 disabled people that she is the power of attorney and everything, she works them every day walking and selling candy while she also gets their disability. The only time they are allowed to do anything is like every 1-3 months they get to go to a waterpark or something similar. I despise her and the fact that everything she does is legal and she has her own lawyer. i really HATE the laws of this country. She has my halfbrother with her too and she basically brainwashed him that our mom doesn't care about him.
The way that this society just doesn't give one shit about the elderly and the disabled is just so depressing.
I’ll never let my grandparents or parents anywhere near a nursing home and raise my kids and grandkids to do the same for me when I get to old to care for myself.
I wonder if your grandmother is the Guardian/Conservator of my mother, in Massachusetts.
@@GreenOrgyKing Michigan
holy shit the corruption is so layered, everyone has their hooks into her money, so it's literally in no one's best interest to end this conservatorship, this is so crazy
Court system for you.
And I have to wonder if they don't want her to have another baby because it would interfere with her work, where they get all their money.
@@anniekallen4472 ding ding ding
The arrangement is way too close to court sanctioned slavery for me.
@@anniekallen4472 but the thing about that is that a baby is good publicity so its possible that even if it interferes with her work they still won't lose much money other than the money it takes to take care of a baby
I feel bad for Britney, this is all so humiliating and dehumanizing. Imagine if the entire world/a bunch of complete strangers were aware of-and were discussing-what method of birth control you're using. Let her live her life, jesus.
Correction being forced to use.
@@saddenedwiseman810 Don't force your religious beliefs on other people
@@saddenedwiseman810 Tough luck if you find it offensive. I find it offensive that you claim there's a "lord" and want to enforce laws based on bronze age myths. But that doesn't give me the right to shut you up. You can live according to your beliefs and we according to ours, that's what freedom is. You don't get to impose your subjective opinion over my rights.
Prove objectively that there's a God and that he wants us to live according to a book that justifies slavery, genocide and treating women and children like cattle! Should be easy since it's an objective fact, right?
@@saddenedwiseman810 Objection.
Saying there's an 'objective reality' where that's true requires a hell of a lot of evidence seeing as my personal experience is the complete opposite. If they belong to an ideology where that 'objective reality' is untrue then your statement is already disproven.
I agree that one should avoid offending others when possible, but the way it was used was *clearly* not meant to offend anyone, nor does it have any historical or other connotations that *should* make it unacceptable (per my subjective experience).
Welcome to the internet by the way, enjoy your stay.
@@saddenedwiseman810 i dont believe "let her live her life, jesus" is in vain. you could easily say it means, HELP HER JESUS. maybe its you that sees it as vain. but asking jesus to help, is not vain. its based upon your perspective. maybe its your perception that is warped. NO ONE ELSE IS HELPING BRITTNEY.. who else is going to? now you understand. your approach to finding the tone of a paragraph is astonishingly poor.
Theres a scene in the movie "are you here" where an inheritance was in question over who gets what between a bro/sis. The brother was written into the will to inherit the lions share, but had some mental issues. The judge ruled in his favor, his closing line was "he can buy the worlds biggest hat with the money if he wants." My takeaway was, we all have problems, but taking away free will should be reserved for people who are unconscious, or are extremely mentally handicapped.
Britney has less control over her life than a minor, even a kid can call child protective services. She's effectively an indentured servant forced to work. Yea, the amount of money she makes today is still substantial to the average person, but not necessarily what a working top celebrity is worth. The sooner this ends, the better.
I'm reminded of my criminal law module when I was taught that you never, ever plead insanity unless your client is legitimately a danger to themselves because insanity treatment is far worse than jail
Is insanity treatment worse than prison tho?
@@a.k.7341 Probably depends on where in the world you are. There'll be a lot of places where prisons are far more regulated than mental health facilities
Really need to make it clear: people have the right to make bad decisions.
True, but actions have consequences.
Should the consequences be this severe? In my opinion? No.
I won’t say that she never needed help, but I don’t think she ever required a conservatorship and nothing to the extent of what she’s been through over the last 13 years.
Unless u poor then u better watch it buster.
"as long as they aren't a threat to themselves or others"
Example: all of Jake Paul.
Right? None of the things he listed as reasons that “she did at one point need a conservatorship” make sense to me. She clearly never needed a conservatorship
This whole issue reeks of mental health stigma.
The conservatorship should have never become general. The fact that it was suggests to me that the California judicial system is pretty ignorant over different kinds of mental illnesses, and simply persists in archaic notions that once a person has a mental breakdown they are incapable of ever regaining their health again.
I've volunteered at a mental health hospital. I know damn well how common mental breakdowns happen; lawyers, doctors, construction workers, everybody breaks. But rather than admit to it and put their career in jeopardy, they "go on vacation."
It is a rule made by status-quo fools pretending that they are not themselves made of glass.
I don't think that anyone will put up a good argument against the fact that California government is dysfunctional from the top down. People are not just moving out because of politics - you can be on either side of the aisle and end up with this state destroying your life or business.
This was upheld by mental health professionals....
@@anitat9727 For the sake of clarity: do you mean that the law was put into place with the consultation of mental health professionals, or that the general conservatorship for the Brittany Spears case has been upheld because of consultation with mental health professionals?
@@mustbeaweful2504 I haven't been following this closely so just uneducated thoughts: I think it's more of a "with support of" instead of "because of"
@@anitat9727 on who's payroll?
How it looks from the outside is a that a child star turned teen idol turned adult star was legit taken advantage of. I remember the news talking about whether or not she had breast implants when she was 16. She grew up with no room to grow or explore boundaries so eventually, of course, she snapped. Then the people in her life partially responsible for The Snap (lol) used it to gain full control over their pretty blond workhorse.
Oh yeah, if you read about what all was going on in her life in the time leading up to her "breakdown," it makes total sense that she acted the way she did. It wasn't a breakdown at all. It was a pretty understandable reaction to what she was experiencing. It's infuriating that not only did the media and the public paint her as "crazy," but her father used it as an opportunity to exploit her this way.
This doesn't happen often, but I'm actually so mad hearing about all this that I can't even watch the video in one go. Legal and moral are not synonyms. Whatever the law says, I firmly believe this is abuse and boardline slavery.
It is slavery
I disagree that this doesn't happen often.
The fact that Brittany is a pop star, is the only actual difference.
It is absolutely slavery. Same as African American slaves in the south, she does not get to make contracts, decide where she works, or set boundaries. She is being forced to perform somewhere there is second hand weed smoke, even though she will lose her kids if she tests positive for weed. Also like slaves in the south, the money from her forced labor goes to someone else. She has no control over her own fortune. It's being used to hire attorneys that are fighting to keep her in bondage, and to pay for "medical" treatment that hurts instead of helps. Also like slaves, she is prohibited from getting married. Also like slaves, someone controls every aspect of her life: whether or not she can have a baby; whether she can ride in the car with her boyfriend; even whether or not she can drink coffee, or buy an ipad with money she earned, or get her nails done with money she earned.
"Woman shaves her head. Court rules she has no rights and must be controlled by a husband or father." What year is it?
😔😔😔
Way to misrepresent the whole issue.
1921
Hard to not notice that all those examples of people who were behaving more irresponsibly without conservatorship were all men…
@@hawleyrigsby3123 My thoughts exactly. Britney has only had one emotional breakdown after being absolutely HOUNDED by the media, personally, sexually, emotionally, since she was a teenager. I think it’s more surprising that she hasn’t suffered worse, especially given the torture she’s suffered since then.
Also the ableism of insinuating that someone with bipolar disorder, anxiety, depression, etc cannot make their own decisions is absolutely disgusting.
The fact that Britney literally has to fight for her life back when she’s clearly capable of being responsible just from the fact she manages her own tours. That alone is proof enough
Brittany?
She isn't "literally' fighting
@@Byzantinius I’d beg to differ. She’s fighting to get legal autonomy back from her father. She shouldn’t have to fight her way to legal autonomy and prove she’s capable to make her own decisions
She doesn’t manage her tours. She has a tour manager for that. She’s in charge of her choreography, set lists, stage design, lighting, etc. The tour manager takes care of everything else regarding which venues are booked, dates, media appearances to promote the tour, etc.
She has handled her own business in which she hires the busses, trucks, road crew, etc, and make sure they get paid. That alone is more than enough to show her competency. If she can hire and pay people what they’re owed on time then it shows she’s intact enough to make less complicated decisions. Such as what kind or color of cabinets to have in her house, what she posts on Instagram, or the kind of car she can drive.
Surely a single person being a conservator for that long of a period is cause for concern, she may completely out of control and not be able to make her own choices, however, it should be a fundamental human right for her to be able to request that the court appoint at their discretion a new conservatory? Surely when the court sees how hard her father fights for it to stay under his control they will have no choice but to determine he is only out for personal gain, as any father that cared enough to take the action he has taken surely wants what's best and if him being the conservator is causing her emotional distress then he would want to see that she is with someone she is comfortable with.
This does seem rather absurd. I mean, the very fact that she's arguing her case with any sort of eloquence seems to refute the need for a conservatorship. Never mind that she's working a demanding career with a lot of physical and mental stresses and she still seems to function well.
Given how her life spiraled out of control back in 2008 and she was placed under the conservatorship in the first place, maybe there are details that we are not privy to that could have perhaps justified temporary conservatorship being granted, but even that is doubtful in my mind. The fact that the people who have power over her also get quite a lot of money whilst she's under their control should have been considered grounds for scrutinizing the necessity of extending it to a permanent arrangement _very_ carefully. It's an obvious conflict of interest, given how much money she's worth. Even if she wasn't worth much, there are plenty of people who like the idea of having that much control over others to make it something that should only be put into action in serious cases.
Her personal life was a mess back then, no doubt about it. She had a stressful career. Was going through a divorce and possibly losing custody of her kids. A family member of hers (that she was presumably close to) died. Drug abuse. The abuse done by her manager. She was getting hounded by paparazzi. Not at all difficult to understand having a breakdown under those circumstances. But she checked herself into rehab and she sure seems to have turned her life around. Given that other rich (and famous) people have messed up worse than her and weren't subject to a conservatorship themselves sure seems to suggest some unpleasant behind the scenes shenanigans went on for this to have happened.
I have always believed ever since I heard "Hit Me Baby" and the song that goes "Sometimes I run, sometimes I hide, sometimes I'm scared of you..." that she's being abused and needs to be set free. I hope that this works and she finally gets her freedom. I have been praying for her since I was 14 years old or so.
Non-legal hot take from another lawyer here: this sh*t would never happen to a man of comparable capacity.
Absolutely.
Thank you for admitting it. Some people are trying to deny that.
Brian Wilson (Beach Boys)
Before now, I wouldn't even have thought that a woman would be exploited like this. Maybe it's not a matter of woman vs man, but a matter of an extraordinary event
Thank you. I was looking for this comment. So true.
I just realized, she's 39 years old. That this is even still a thing is absurd.
She was *26* when she was placed under this shit. She's be forced to live this way for about half her adult life so far.
Most people placed under adult guardianship are senior citizens.
Back in her hayday, I was one of her haters. I blindly followed what the press had to say about her. Now, I see just how much BS she had to live through and STILL has to suffer through to this day.
Why is this still being debated? Where the hell is cancel culture when you actually need it?
The cancel mob would rather spew bs than actually make a change
Them: *uses the fact she didn’t know you could petition as an attack on her intelligence.*
Me: *didn’t even know what a conservatorship was until I saw this*
hey I'm your '69' liked XD and same. I didn't know what it was. I'm learning though. Just in case I need to protect myself from these 'sharks'. I'm a writer and I'm kind of going into the line of 'entertainment' business.
You'd think she would at least have googled it since she was in one.
@@icemachine79 maybe. but when you're in an abusive situation, you tend to guilt and shame yourself into believing your deserve it or that what the abuser is doing is right. It warps your brain. So maybe she should have been able to decipher than she can google it, but also...do we know if she was allowed on technology only when being "supervised"?
@@icemachine79 maybe she thought her attorney would know more about it than she could learn from Google and trusted that he would do his job.
@@azzula729 All the news reports say he's a public defender which means he's not paid or appointed by the conservator(s). Putting aside questions of his lawyering ability or possible lack thereof, it seems like something he would answer if asked, and I have a hard time imagining that Britney _didn't_ ask at some point during the last few months since she claimed to be so unhappy about the arrangement. I doubt he would just straight up lie and she didn't say he did so it doesn't really make sense.
One thing is, because she can't do so many things without her dad's approval, she can't prove she can do her groceries because he won't let her do that, for example. I heard she couldn't even choose the color of her kitchen cabinets... Dad had the final word. The conservatorship has literally impaired her in ways that her father could keep claiming she was incapacitated. This is so wrong on so many levels. That conservatorship needs to end, NOW. This is an incredible case of abuse!
The woman who is the guardian of her person says that Daddy refuses to approve payment for things Britney actually wants, like to remove her IUD, get married, or have a baby. She says that's okay with her, but without payment being approved, Britney can't do anything.
1-its ANTI-SEMITIC to criticize the legal system 2- the idea of freedom of commoners is also ANTI-SEMITIC.
I read about the "kitchen cabinet" situation two days ago in a NYT article and couldn't believe it. According to the article, she wanted to paint them in a certain color, but this so-called father said it was too expensive or extravagant or something along those lines.
Earlier today I watched the 'Psychology in Seattle' channel reaction to her court appearance, and in some ways there is a lot the public does not know about and probably should not judge about, but: Why the hell on earth should anybody forbid Britney to paint her cabinets, and get massage and acupuncture treatments and so on? If somebody made a movie out of the whole thing, people would probably call the story far-fetched... So sad.
"my daughter is not capable enough of running her bussiness without being taken advantage of by other people........."
so he does it himself?
There was an episode of "Boston Legal" about this. Alan Shore had so few legal avenues to help his client that he had to resort to hiring burglars to terrorize her conservator into releasing her.
I really hope Britney will be allowed to sue her lawyer and her dad and just everyone involved in that disgusting scheme.
She lost
@@itsthevoiceman what happened?
@@itsthevoiceman no, she didn’t. The judge denied a request from months ago to remove Jamie Spears as the sole conservator. She didn’t deny the new request to end the conservatorship.
I didn’t know this was going on still until it was in the news. It’s actually a total disgrace on the judge and the court itself to allow this complete and obvious predatory exploitation of an obviously competent person by their parent.
It’s legal exploitation. What ever lawyers and judges allowed this to happen should be ashamed of themselves because this is a disgusting disgrace against the legal system especially in California. It’s so obvious what was happening. They should have denied it outright and suggested a lighter more temporary way of helping during that time and set a time limit of maybe two years. The fact it’s still going is horrific.
The amazing thing to me was the judge offering praise and sympathy afterwards. Right then I knew that ass covering would be the priority and that they would slow roll this whole thing to avoid an intense period of public scrutiny over what is happening here. To be honest Mrs. Spears might need to get drastic and very very public if she wants out of this arrangement, allowing this to take place in entirely private and locked down hearings under the direction of a personally culpable judge is unlikely to produce the results she is seeking.
@Albert Felsen you clearly have no idea how extreme a conservatorship is. It’s supposed to be used for people who have such cognitive problems they can barley function.
Acting like it’s perfectly fine for people with an addiction problem and depression to be stripped of all legal autonomy (including being forced to stay on birth control) is one of the most insane things I’ve ever seen.
You can hate Britney Spears all you want I don’t really care, this is still the most obvious theft and abuse of the legal system I’ve seen in a long time. If the judge continues this he should be disbarred.
Judge is getting paid under the table by Jamie.
@Albert Felsen even if that was exactly so, quite a lot of completely healthy adults would become depressed, unstable and crying under that kind of inescapable conservatorship. On the other hand, almost all people who are depressed, unstable and constantly crying, are not in a conservatorship. Lest in one where they pay their conservators many times more than they get to use.
Also, if the whole result hangs on using right or wrong magic words, possibly used in the wrong context, it's not a sign that the system is working properly.
Keep up the great coverage!
Once Britney gets free of this bondage, can she sue the living daylights out of her father, her court-appointed lawyer, the former conservator, and the judge? This is insanity!
Which judge?
The original one that had a airtight case.
Or the current one that literally just heard she wants out?
The living daylights = being enslaved, which is what this is
@@ahuman7523 She can sue "being enslaved" out of the people?
I am not sure that sentence makes sense.
Sueing her father, former conservator and the judge I can agree on but suing the court-appointed lawyer I don't really get how that would be possible unless he is deliberately doing a bad job because otherwise he's just doing the job he got appointed or am I missing some information?
@@FFAFANBOY Which judge should she sue?
The original one, that had a airtight case?
Or the last one that recinded the consrrvatorship?
Because there a no judges between those two!
Literally the movie “I Care A Lot” is a great example of why a conservatorship is almost always a bad idea.
I was looking for more comments about that movie and it's similarities to this situation... that film made me look into conservatorships more closely.
Might have to watch that
Not watched it and living in another country, but I work in neurological ward in hospital, and sometimes there are people who have to have some procedures but are unconscious and legal way to do it is through some kind of conservatorship. There are people, mentally ill who literally cannot provide for themself and parents have to decide for them for rest of their life. Not gonna say this cannot be abused but definitely not "almost always"
Free Britney!
Agree !!!!!
Wait.. Britney shaved her head after she lost a loved one?! The only story I'd ever heard was that she was tired of the micromanaging of her image.. grief is quite the motivator and head shaving is culturally significant...
Yeah. I had never heard that before. Makes so much sense.
I don't think the conservatorship was justified even back in 2008.
It was a very public incident. She ran into a hair salon, grabbed clippers from a hairdresser's work station, and shaved all her own hair off until her head was like a cue ball. You can probably GIS pictures, as pictures of the incident and its aftermath were extensively published in the tabloid press.
@@billd66 to clarify, I had never heard that particular reason as to why she shaved her head. I was aware of the act itself.
@@InThisEssayIWill... same here. I knew she did it. But not why.
The more I read about this whole situation, the more tragic it sounds. Everyone is only thinking about their own pay day, they don't care about Britney at all. At the very least, she has a right to counselling for being gaslighted her entire life and being held against her will. I hope she's able to get out of this some day.
Not to mention having an IUD inserted can be excruciatingly painful. I had nightmares after mine, and I can't imagine going through that against her will. The doctor who forced it on her should be investigated as well.
The doctor was very likely under duress by those operating her conservatorship and simply had no legal right to refuse.
He makes a "salary" of $16000 a month AND 1% of all her earnings? No wonder he doesn't want it to go away. He's made a fortune out of being a "dad".
Also why he doesn’t want her to take maternity leave.
1.5% not 1%
The video said her dad was getting 10k a week or 40k a month! What a terrible person he is.
@@hardstyle8184 The fact that that small error is a huge deal is what’s terrible about this situation
He also controls what happens with all the rest of it, he just can't get at it until the cornucopia runs out and he pushes her to suicide... with a forged testament...
You can HEAR in her voice that she's not only trying *very hard* to _not_ cry, but it's also painfully clear that she's absolutely terrified.
If she's capable of writing new music, recording it, and performing it live in front of tens of thousands of people, she's obviously capable of handling her own money
Glad you mentioned Power of Attorney. I have psych issues, and voluntarily gave mine to someone I trust after my Mom died. I've also seen (and lived with) people with guardians and am thankful I was able to reach out for help. It can be very frustrating to have someone else control your affairs, I know I've channeled a rebelling teenager quite a few times, but the knowledge that I'm still a "full adult" and that I can change my mind at any time helps a ton.
"I'm great at what I do"
You are, queen.
This whole thing really looks like Brittney’s dad saw her get super famous and rich, and took the first opportunity he saw to effectively steal all her wealth for himself.
$10,000/week versus $2,000/week says it all for me
That's her lawyer getting the 10k, not the dad, he makes 16k a month. Still, she's being taken advantage of; and her sister is also in charge of her now, and she has been charging her bills to Britney's estate
Apparently, according to the documentary (if I remember right), he was an awful dad and came back into her life when she became rich and famous
He literally took advantage of her lowest point in life.
That's certainly a possibility, but we really don't have enough info to do anything other than speculate. I personally think he might just be a control freak.
And he most likely justified his thievery by pounding it into Britney that he "gave her life" (his sperm and mom's egg), and that he "sacrificed" for her in her beginning entertainment years by paying for her flight, room, and board and some of his own time when she went out of state to be in the Mickey Mouse Club lol. But it has been her and her shear talent, brains, and world popularity that has paid her own way from age 17, on.
It seems a lot of this could be prevented if conservatorships only lasted, say, five years, and then the *conservator* had to justify its continuation.
Yes! The evaluation has to begin all over after the initial period -- even 5 years seems excessive, I would say 3 years max -- and the burden of proof should be on the 'guardian'.
In general, conservatorships are usually intended to be used in contexts where the lack of function is permanent (most commonly, cases of dementia). When that's the situation, it doesn't make sense to re-evaluate after a defined period, because the idea is that "incapacity" is when you will never be able to care for yourself again. Not saying that it wouldn't be a good idea to have those evaluations (esp. since it turns out that the system can be exploited for financial gain), just the context for why it doesn't work that way.
Which really drives home how weird and inappropriate it was that a conservatorship happened with Britney at all. A woman in her late 20s who has been perfectly functional in the past? It's hard to even think of a diagnosis she could have that could be described as permanent, untreatable, and so severe as to justify conservatorship.
@@jakual339 If the lack of function is permanent, then the conservatorship would be easy to justify again.
She shouldn't have even been put under one conservatorships are supposed to be used in cases of permanent inability normally. If she truly needed to have her financial well being secured because of her mental state she should have had power of attorney given to somebody this conservatorship she has basically turned into legal slavery in California at this point which is crazy. Although I've had some experience with California family court in my life so I can't say I'm surprised those are some nasty people.
It would be prevented if the conservator was a public servant, like a social worker, rather than a family member siphoning off the ward's estate. They shouldn't receive a penny from the person they are meant to protect. As it is now it is just so susceptible to corruption.
How the hell can you have partial *custody over kids* and fulfill the requirements for consuvitorship?
So right
The thing with Jamie going after her son is extra wild when you consider that the conservatee had more sense than the conservator. Britney has every reason to not like Kevin, and being with her boys is her greatest joy, but when push literally came to shove, she had the presence of mind to call Kevin so the kids could get out of there.
This seems just one step removed from men throwing a wife or child into insane asylums against their will. Hmm
OOP. Somebody said it!
Right. She's "hysterical"
It's actually the same legal mechanism. Theoretically it was reformed to prevent this kind of abuse but it very clearly has not been.
It is nearly exactly the same. Luckily, lobotomies are not allowed anymore, and at least they need her to milk her for all her work, so they are not going to medicate her into idiocy... But yes, this is the same case of "I want to get rid of my wife, will push her until she gets angry, call her hysterical and send her to the madhouse".
It is also incredibly sexist that a lot of people called her shaving her head a sign that she was mentally ill. A woman making a decision that does not make men's penises happy? She must be sick. To the madhouse with her.
Ih they've done that as well!
I was never a fan of hers but i genuinely feel sorry for her, her family and people around her are just like ticks bleeding her dry.
Seems the only reason her father wants to keep this conservatorship, slavery at this point, is just because he's profiting off of it!
Man, I love the suit and tie combination. Ties with that style of pattern are also worn by the Cary Agos character in The Good Wife and before him, seeing them laying there at the store I'd never thought it could look good or couldn't imagine how to combine them. I also want to congratulate you and the channel not just for the quality content but the effort of making it look good: good "production values", nice setting, very good lighting, really good editing, sound and graphics. Attention to detail at its finest.
@LegalEagle I found you a couple days ago and I'm still binging your videos! I have no law background but LOVE the videos on pop culture
Every time the head shaving comes up, I'm like, "Ohmygod.. She shaved her HEAD?!? Clearly she's deranged." Because, women aren't allowed to be bald, you know. ... ... ... I've shaved my head at least three times and nobody has suggested that made me unstable, regardless of why I did it.
Under stress women will often cut their hair..so shaving hers just proves how stressed she was
Unfortunately it gave her Father and that husband of hers an excuse to have her committed 😥
She has even explained that, she said it was a form of shedding, and explicitly said it wasn't her going crazy as some assumed. It's in her 2008 documentary For the Record.
What hyperbole.
Being a bald woman wasn't the strange part, don't be so sexist. I shave my head every four years to donate my hair.
It was a very clear and stark personal change she went through that she has never since repeated. Look her up in that period and you will find the period she was least able to control herself.
That is the WORST part of it. She was applied the "hysterical woman who needs lobotomizing or internment" treatment because she did something that does not make men's penises happy. "She does not want to be fuckable! She MUST be insane!" This is SO wrong in all levels.
Maybe no one cares that much for you to get you help? Just saying
I don’t understand how Britney isn’t mentally capable to take care of herself but is able to tour and perform! That sounds insane.
Sounds like exploitation if she can’t consent
You need to study more because thats pretty common
It's even worse because the dad got the conservatorship by claiming Britney has dementia. If she had, she wouldn't be able to rmember her own songs or choreographies. The fact that she can makes it very obvious that the claim is fake, but apparently the courts never thought that
@Albert Fensen Are you INSANE?! A conservatorship is ONLY for people who are incapable of providing for themselves. You know, people with dementia and severe intellectual disabilities! You wouldn't force someone with dementia or severe intellectual disabilities to perform, thus if she can perform she does not qualify for conservatorship. Plus she was FORCED to perform, so on top of that she is basically a slave. You're a piece of shit for defending this.
In theory it is certainly possible. However it seems so very unlikely that it would be so in Spear's case.
For instance someone with Microcephaly could maybe perform at a "freak show" and get paid for it, but still be incapable of cooking or handling money in a reasonable manner. Obviously I think a situation like that would not apply to Spears.
Am I wrong? A good father will take care of his daughter without charging her a dime for doing so. The only thing I will ask for is a room and food. Anything that I need to take care of her.
THIS is the one I had been waiting for! On to watch it!
I’m bothered by the fact that they made her get an IUD. It feels like a human rights violation, and in particular one that could only happen to a woman. I doubt a man in the same situation would be forced to get a vasectomy. And given that the vast majority of conservatorships involve elderly people I don’t think there is much of a precedent for this.
This!
Like human rights issues aside (which are serious and major, there's just another side of the discussion I haven't been hearing much about despite its real implications), IUDs can be hella dangerous! What if her uterus perforated? What if she got a blood clot that negatively impacted her health? IUDs are generally ok for people but it's still a SURGICAL PROCEDURE with related health risks.
Putting Britney aside for a moment, if you think of a woman who is abusive to her children and doesn't feed them enough, but keeps having children herself, I could see how some might think it would be a good idea to stop her from having children. It is a little odd that we require a license to drive a car, but don't require a license to be a parent. No child consents to being born so we want to make sure that every child has good parents.
I'm not necessarily saying that reproduction should be controlled by the government, but treating it as the most fundamental right deserves some rethinking.
@@greywolf7577 A fellow antinatalist out in the wild?
@@HarshDeshpande91 I'm only an antinatalist when it comes to abusive parents or relationships that have a good chance of harming the life of the child (like incest). While producing conscious beings has complex ethical considerations, I'm not ready to give up on our reproductive system entirely.
Her lawyer Samuel Ingham didn’t formally file a request to terminate the conservatorship that’s why she was denied. I think the lawyer is working against her.
For $10 000 a week why would you want it to end? They should definitely be investigated for corruption and fraud.
O that is why? The lawyer should be investigated by the bar.
@@Jinkypigs he didn't provide the best possible / most accurate advice for his client, damn right he should be disbarred.
it’s in his best interests to not. he is making $40k a month. the judge and her lawyer are enjoying the fruits of britney’s labor.
You realize, she can get a different lawyer?…
Imagine if Britney after being freed sued everyone involved.
That's alot of 0's.
Infinite zeros, assuming that life is priceless
@@ahuman7523 as it should be.
Dignity has no price to begin with.
"They don't necessarily let the conservatee choose their own lawyer." How convenient!
This sounds like an episode of Handmaid's Tale.
Not an episode,the whole freaking season
Or an entire show. Shitshow, but a show nontheless
Sounds like the book honestly. And The Yellow Wallpaper....
As a person with a mental disorder, this is one of my biggest fears.
@Ryandal Gilmore Why do you feel the need to demean a person that just admitted to having a mental disorder? How do you morally justify that level of unprovoked aggression? Because i don't think you can.
@Ryandal Gilmore Also as someone in the military as per your profile pic, you'd understand PTSD is a common mental disorder after you leave.
Maybe you should care for people with mental disorders because you might end up with one yourself. And you'd wish someone cared about your disorders. Learn empathy, and don't be rude to others.
As the sister and guardian of someone who isn't mentally competent to make his own decisions, try to find someone you trust. I shudder to think of what would happen to my brother if I wasn't around.
@@NobleAbsinthe in all the therapy/support groups I've been part of, there is always at least one former military person. For most of them, is the return to civilian life that breaks them more then the horrors of war. Their brains understand war and can deal with it in their distorted way, civilian life is hard for them.
@@misspriss2482 I have my youngest sibling. I chose him bc 2 things, 1)i trust him and 2)he is 15 years younger then me, so, if nothing bad happens to him, he will be able to take care of me. We have a plan but my fear is if someone else gets in the middle of our agreement.
Thank you for this comprehensive analysis