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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- In the 19th century the ottoman empire went through several trials and tribulations in a modernizing world, with external enemies approaching their borders in all directions, internal enemies looking to usurp power.
Mahmud 11 also known as the "Infidel" Khalifa came to power and he would change the face of the ottomans for good, lets join the adventure and find out.
#history #islamichistory #ottomanempire #reforms #modernization
They told Muslim countries to fight for independence from the Ottomans, but now you see them uniting under EU, USA, UK banner. All are united under one "Khalifah" And we foolishly fought for "independence. Just look at where we are now as Muslims. Even China and Russia stayed united until now.
This is the reality now, many betrayals and uprisings and wars brough this situation, however muslims were not united under one khalifah at any time after the Rashidun, the ottoman empire did not cover central , south and east asia and west africa, but during their colonialization everyone started to recognize the Ottoman Sultan because it was the last significant independant muslim state standing. But we learn from history and its important to know it
@@ardattarikh Weren't all the Muslims united under the Umayyads at the time Spain was conquered?
Ottomans did control some parts of Kashgaria, other parts of Central Asia, and Aceh though
@@SyedAhmedJaved yes thats technically true, from sindh to spain but another thing is most people were not even muslims yet during the ummayyid times and they did not encourage conversion And we saw how fast they collapsed. But technically yeah they was brief period of unity.
@@SyedAhmedJaved not really , they were the central asian khanates in those areas, they might have recognized the ottoman sultan as Khalif and read the juma'a prayer in his name for a period but they didn't get that far into central asia. Same with Aceh. By all means were independant.
He could have taken help from Allah instead of Europeans. Asbunallah nyahmalvakeel.
He tried his best to reassert himself and central his authority as the sultan. He is not the 1st ruler to ally with Europeons, Harun Arrashid 1000 years also allied with Charlamegne Against the ummayids in Spain. The world of politics is a conplex one we even see it today and look at the tragedies we are witnessing left and right.
@@ardattarikh you are talking about general politics. Quran clearly says stay away from unbelievers, and don't make any treaty with them, unless you can manage yourself in which they failed.
Surah An-Nisa - 144
O believers! Do not take disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Would you like to give Allah solid proof against yourselves?
@@behumanf1rst We would All love that to happen for a unity but in reality it has not happened and easier said than done in politics
He was a great ruler but nobody understood him.. Do you think it was easy to throw bloody jannisaries and to maintain power in that time? But still he did what he could for his state and islam.. My respect for him is in heart ❤
Yes indeed he was trying his best and he lived through a hard time, the janissaries gave the ottoman sultans a rough time for 2 centuries, killing them, deposing them, riots and revolts. It's sad he is given a bad reputation, his time was just as difficult as Sultan Abdul Hamid 11's time. But Mahmud 11 was pretty strong and one of the few strong sultans after Suleyman 1.
Just because someone europeanized the empire, that doesn't make that person a kafir. Sure you can call them deviant muslims, or non-sunni, but that is not apostasy.
No one bats an eye at today's Indo-Pak Muslims dressing and eating like USA Americans, because it is not kufr. Yes, they are leaving the sunnah and adopting US customs, but that can only be considered makruh, or at highest BIDAH, but not kufr.
Sure, "should Mahmud II have done that?", that we can discuss, but as for if it was kufr, no, it wasn't.
@@enacausmembrane he was definitely not a kafir as he was the sultan and and was recognized as the Khalif of muslims. He only wanted to restore authority and not be a puppet or a weak ruler therefore he had to get rid of the janissaries and get a new modern army to be able to compete. Many others tried before him and failed but
Mahmud 11 succeeded. Even with all the europeon, İslam was still #1 for him and his administration.
@@ardattarikh He wasn't recognised as Caliph, except in Ottoman territory. Moroccan, Indian, Persian, Central Asian and by that time period Arabian Muslims did not recognise him. Ottoman Caliphs were never recognised as "Caliphs" outside of their borders.
Interesting video!
Thank you for watching:)
This video changed my perspective on this topic.
@@DelfinHolmes how did it change your perspective tell me about it ?
Great video!!
Interesting 🎉
Thank you Mon ami
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They were necessary.also the more the nation or country is developed the more they gave less importance to religion and the more the country is undeveloped or falling the more they gave importance to religion.This is what Mahmoud realised.May he rest in peace. also see about his sons and grandsons they were far better rulers and princes compared to rulers just before Mahmoud.
@@umairamir2830 you have good point leadership did improve somewhat because you didn't have the Janissaries around anymore. However Mahmoud II never gave up on religion it was still the primary law, even his sucessors did not completely either it was à gradual process until mustafa Kemal pulled the final trigger and completely pushed religion out of the picture.
When did India become 'Muslim land'? The invading Mughals too were destroyed & vassalized by Marathas by 1719.
@@ayushgupta4376 if you are referring to india as modern day country borders it would be at about 1200ce when the delhi sultanate was established. If your talking the winder indian culture sphere (Pakistan, eastern Afghanistan) at about 11th century under the Ghaznavids. However the mughal period is when you start to see a lot of people become muslim in the whole Subcontinent because mughals integrated themselves in with the land and established political ties with many Hindu clans like the rajputs and married with them. Yes, the mughals by mid 18th century were pretty much done.
@@ardattarikh Delhi Sultanate was done & dusted by 1400s by Mewar Rajputs who literally vassalized it. Also, Mughals gave their daughters to Indian rulers too.
@@ayushgupta4376 delhi sultanate was crushed by Timur's invasion and decentralized but many other sultanates developed from it like malwa, gujarat, bengal sultanate, then from there all the deccan sultanates came which the mughals would absorbe. The sultanates needed Hindus on their side and alliance after all they were the vast majority of the subjects.
@@ardattarikh Read proper history from original sources.
@@ayushgupta4376 Provide me your original sources i am open to learning the Indian perspective on this history.
May Allah increase Kemals punishment
May Allah increase your punisment.
@@Ahmet-yu7jrBilmeden konuṣma senin atan kafirdir allah c.c kuranda diyorki "O halde insanlardan korkmayın, benden korkun da âyetlerimi az bir bedel karşılığında satmayın. Kim Allah'ın indirdiği ile hükmetmezse işte onlar kâfirlerin ta kendileridir." Maide 44
He just blindly copy the Europeans.
@@Abdullah-do2tr that is a common perspective, what should have he done in your opinion?
@@ardattarikh He should have taken the technologies but he also copied the European ethics which is problematic for the Muslims
@@Abdullah-do2tr A large portion of Ottoman Society and most of the Elites and government were Europeans (Greeks, Albanians, Bosnians, Serbians etc.), including the Royal Family Itself. The viziers, provincial Governers, Janissaries. This was after all a Multi-cultural, multi-lingual, multi-religious territory. The real issue here was the military and the style of governance wasn't working for them anymore. Nationalism was taking over and the Millet system was not able to contain it.
@@ardattarikh you are right
But Ottoman think tank failed at the end
@@Abdullah-do2tr Overall it failed mostly due to nationalism and the desire for people to want their state. Their eventually went against their Empire's foundations and priciples and payed for it.
Thank you for sharing this valuable information.
@@VictoriaCollado-dv1rp your welcome:)
A video on ataturk plz about the muslim world misunderstanding about him , answer for allegations like destoryer od islam,khalifat etc..
The muslim world definitely mis understood him and the context of his life and decisions and there many misconceptions about but it is very difficult to prove to a Non-Turkish person the allegations because of his policies upon founding the turkish republic but we can leave a open ended video about him to leave people thinking more in depth about him and how he would directly inspire others.
@@ardattarikh as a muslim from Kerala State,india he inspired many of our great muslim reformers especially who were scholars .when I decided to know about him i dig up maximum sources and what I found is that he was a great guy not like the Islamists north indian or Pakistani muslims calls him without knowledge. He is just like an average hero who want better life for his people he wasn't anti muslim infact I believe he was a muslim till his death . He did what anyone would do and on the last day it's upto Allah the judgment.even i found his latter written just few months before his death criticising Arabs for loosing palestine to British and made their life miserable.in that he called himself a muslim .the west who hated him turn to act like they liked him after his death and Islamists want portray him a villian . The Pakistanis and indians doesn't know their founding fathers were inspired by Atatürk. If kemalism was kind world idea I'd have embraced it.
@@Wonderedalien I am Turkish. Please don’t speak without knowing the truth. First of all he was a kafir. There is like a hundred evidence but I can name a few. He made fun of Prophet Mohammed (SAW), he called the first ayahs to be revealed to him bull… and said Quran is wrongly thought to be descended from heavens and declared that he is an atheist in his own book Nutuk.
Second: Yes, some Muslim reformers were inspired by him because he was the leader for national movement in Turkiye but that doesn’t change the fact that he was an anti-religion dictator.
And I am curious about the letter you talk about. Nobody in Turkiye knows about it, please tell me more.
If you have the sources on these I would like to see them, Despite his success in military and reforms his actions kind of speak for themselves and even though the Ottoman empire empire gradually secularized over the 19th century, Atatürk was the final trigger and it's not even about Abolishing the Khalifa because there was not much left of it, but his radical policies clearly shows who he was and most people that show real love to him are the secular people, his policies were not democratic as the Muslims in Turkey were marginalized for a long time. So if you are a more secular oriented person and a nationalist he would be your hero but for the practicing Muslims around the world I don't see a reason why they would like him.
@@ardattarikh religion is personal I dont know how they "marginalized" because they couldn't wear the fez hat? Burqa in the universities and schools? Lol he didn't stop anyone from practicing faith like communists in Albania. Islam itself secular by nature and its state character.i agree he was a dictator but for goodness . I've no idea when you say practicing muslim has a problem with him and the idea of secularism .Allah says in the holy Qur'an ' he has assigned the world to every creation " which means everyone has the right to live and make it a better place ,take care of it in every way.in a secular state anyone can practice their faith freely even yes if the ruler is good no matter dictatorship, democracy or kinship .today muslims being persicuted for their sects .when politicians uses religion the nation will be ruined like india .now religion it's ulema or praists are now political. They're loyal dogs to who have power when they there is none Power as Allah.