Drama In The Strongman Community
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In this video I talk about the belt clean in strongman. A belt clean is when someone delibrately uses their belt to rest the axle bar during the clean, and then launches the axle bar off their belt to the rack position. Do you think belt cleans should be allowed in strongman?
"Ive received between 0 and 50 dms on the topic" LMAOOOO
You know you never know
So... 1? LOL
LMAO! That reminds me of my dad who would say he could do between 2 and 300 pushups, everybody would bet him he couldn't, then he would get down and do 3 pushups winning the bet.😲🤣
@@pawadventures5544 LMAO sounds like a cool guy
@@WolfgerSilberbaer This is like saying "Some number" ie. "Some number of Sports Illustrated Swimsuit models want to date me!" The number is zero, but zero is still a number! Stay safe!
Totally up to the promoter.
It is, its also fair game to blast them for it. If its mass hated, boycott and vote with your dollar
and make it like they are two separate events for the sake of world records and such things being fair
If it's an unsanctioned event
@@willofdodge1 sanctioned by whom ? there is no monopoly in strongman. everything is 'unsanctioned' according to one of the many other orgs.
Strongman out here cleaning hundreds of pounds and I can't even clean my room
Go have a sandwich and you should be ok.
@@bmstylee no I prefer a gallon of milk
Clean your room and rescue your father from the underworld!
@@NeuronActivation Don't you know it is impossible to drink a gallon of milk?
Just repeating what I have heard. It comes from the idea to pack on weight, drink a gallon of milk a day. Then somebody says you can't. At one sitting, I couldn't but over the course of a day, no problem.
Of course I know you were just joking against the sandwich, which prompted my 'joke'
Cheers
@@joeshmoe7967 I mean a gallon of milk a day may be impossible but it's still a good way to add on weight since it has a good amount of calories and protien.
Straight facts from the winner of the 1993 WSM
hahahaha
Off the top of my head 1993 winner was Magnus ver magnusson??? Beating Manfred hoeberl by a fraction of a second in the stone run??? Am I right? It was either 93 or 94 I am thinking of..
@@dunstonmunson8314 it's a joke referring to an earlier video of Alan
@@dunstonmunson8314 there's a video about whether or not Allan could have won the 1993 wsm
@@dunstonmunson8314 1993 was Gary Taylor
I love the imagery of Alan pissing into the wind
While headbanging and putting up the devil horns with his other hand
I wish I could paint because it would be the most dramatic piece of art in the world
It's his unsactioned event with his money on the line, why Terry had to trash him on social media says to me he just wants to cause drama. Lift and let lift.
"Lift and let lift", I love that. Totally stealing.
Artificial Controversy to drum up support for his show?
To me, part of the fun of strongman is the variety of events, different ways of doing events, such as guys getting creative with how they pick up objects or think of new/better ways to do things and the fact that there are no strict rules. To me it doesn’t matter as long as whatever rules are in place for the contest are applied uniformly and everyone knows what they are.
I agree. But I also like both forms. I like the weird, awkward things they have to do. But sometimes you also just wanna see who the strongest person is, regardless of technique. A mix of both is good.
One guy put up his own money for an unsanctioned event with crystal clear rules and expectations. Other guy uses social media to name call and criticize said person. Seems fairly cut and dry.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that it's his money, his competition, he can do whatever he wants for the rules. If you don't like it, don't compete and don't watch. Some of the reactions you showed to this from the people who are against belt cleans seem pretty childish for something that doesn't impact or affect them at all.
The people against belt cleans are the bastards that need a good excuse for their bloated beer belly.
The tren part killed me man :))))
When i didnt notice it
its the truth
@@alexeyshilin7485 about 7:20
It really was "TREN ON TIMEEEEEEE!"
@@mattmac4087 exactly what I thought ha ha ha..i was gonna post it but you beat me to it..
In my opinion, as long as a promoter is not make a lift unnecessarily more dangerous, they can enforce whatever rules they want, especially if they are putting up their own money.
Why can't we all just be friends, so long as we DO NOT move the barbell?
EVER
But someone took the deadlift bar from the platform, can I move it then or will I be executed by firing line?
Firing line seems excessive. Electric chair will doing just fine
@@fifthtouch One month of cereal with a hair of Alan's beard in it!!
Ah yes the great strongman belt debate. This is the peak of my daily interest and I can't even OHP 135.😂
you will someday!
*70 as a stick woman
Been working my butt off for about a year and a half now and just OHP'd 135x1 yesterday. At 42, I feel pretty good about it. Keep working 💪 man.
@@revivepharmer8095 it took you 42 years to get to 135, damn, I'd go look for a cozy plaze and a nice coffin instead
@@revivepharmer8095 , congrats and great job! You should feel very proud.
Alan vs the wind
“Damn I got piss in my beard”
😂 train untamed
Belt cleans are probably the most real world realistic use of strength equipment I can think of. At work, you *might* use some kind of abdominal compression device, if you're having back issues, but you almost always have a regular belt on, and I personally regularly depend on it to hold heavy shit.
Good point. I've definitely used my regular leather belt when helping someone haul stuff.
So is a forklift - but isn’t strong man supposed to be more about the man and less about the equipment?
@@garysanders6091 Sure, but why draw the line at belt cleans? What about all the other equipment? All I'm saying is that belt cleans are the purest use of strength equipment that I can find in the sport. I would say belt cleans are a more probable use of equipment than the shoes they use on truck pulls.
@@camerontetz2011 It really comes down to your personal opinion on where you'd like the line to be drawn.
Personal opinion, equipment should be used for safety and should all be standardized. I'm not familiar with the shoes, so that might be something I'd agree they should regulate.
@@garysanders6091 Personally, I don't like the direction strongman is going in general. It feels... Too much like powerlifting. If I wanted a perfectly fair competition of pure strength, I would watch powerlifting or weightlifting. In my opinion, cheesy strategies and clever workarounds are the spirit of strongman. The idea of strict form regulations on a lift like the continental clean, which is an inherently silly challenge to begin with, is stark bastardization of the game altogether.
What is the continental clean "supposed" to test? Grip? No, because the bar is ungrippable, it must be mixed gripped. Clean and press power? No, because then you'd just use an olympic barbell. Diaphragmatic expansion power? No, that's just absurd. The real answer is "nothing." Strongman shouldn't be about "testing" power. The axle bar is just supposed to be *awkward.* The competitors are supposed to be *uncertain* about how to do the movement, they are supposed to be forced to act creatively and with great strength. Using a skilled and graceful approach used to be almost a matter of luck. How are you gonna carry these barrels as big as you are? How are you gonna bend this bar? How are you gonna navigate this rocky castle ruin with a wheelbarrow full of rolling stones? This isn't possible once the thickness of the bar and even the expectations of the movement become standardized and regulated. Then it becomes just some stupid clean and jerk for fat clowns.
But if you belt clean, you will never have a clean belt.
I'll see myself out.
No no you got a point
BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
That's actually kinda the reason why it is called a clean. Because you cleanly lift it off the ground and up your shoulders without the bar touching anything. Granted, continental cleans also violate this
Thanks for reminding me to take my tren on time. Almost forgot.
shouldnt your tren cough be a constant reminder?
You cough during and after pinning, not before
Eat clen, tren hard, anavar give up
This feels like "ew why allow knee wraps in raw, it's called raw for a reason" vs "tight knee sleeves and singlets are weaker single ply equipment" all over again
@Jesse Robinson any contest I’ve ever lifted allowed knee sleeves. Knee wraps are not allowed under raw.
A very interesting topic. Personally, I'm unsure of my position. The case about lightweights competitors having trouble without the belt clean is strong in my opinion. But on the other hand as you said, who cares, a beauty of strongman is that the host can enforce rules. If you don't like them, don't compete.
Alan Thrall sounds like the name of a gladiator ngl.
Alan throb
Can’t anyone just enjoy the sport? Who cares if an event is easier at one unsanctioned event? Just go watch and have fun.
Its 2021 nobody is allowed to enjoy anything. You know the rules and so do i....
Worst kind of argument. People like you would run sports into the ground.
@@garysanders6091 Please explain how
@@CharlieHolmesT rules are in place for fair play. Of course people will bend them as much as possible to win though. If someone feels cheated it's no longer fun for them. Seeing Anthony wear the suit during those deadlifts bothered me and I wasn't even competing. If everyone goes with the "why can't we all just have fun" attitude then rules are more lax and more unfair which leads to the whole feeling cheated part (because some people don't want to win because they wore a suit for example). It's his comp, his money and rules though so in this case it's fine by me.
@@righttohavebeararms.4300 But the rules are the same for everyone. So it is fair. This isn't about letting people fudge the rules, this is a different rule. That's it.
The heavier the weight the better it looks for random people watching espn the more people try strongman
Agreed. Moar weight
Doesn't matter how heavy it is, everyone thinks they look like a fucking clown resting the bar on the belt
@@jhondisjames2151 Most people think it looks far more stupid resting it on your belly.
@@jhondisjames2151 Resting the bar on your 300 pound beer belly looks manly as hell, right. If you want to make it actually hard, do some actual Olympic lifts fuckmooks.
Belt cleans do look stupid tho. From the floor to over head is more impressive
Oh my God. A sane and sensible opinion on fitness youtube! I’d almost forgotten what that felt like!
Lmao. Changed his name to Belt Clean.
Every time I see that Novikov deadlift with his fingers gracefully tickling the bar, I lol
Classic Alan giving a well thought out, well articulated opinion on a topic. Considers all sides to the best of his knowledge and doesn't jump to conclusions. It's content like this that has made me such a long term fan of this channel, and Alan as a person. He just doesn't get caught up in the passion of these discussions and it's great to listen to.
The variety in strongman competition is what makes it fun and different from powerlifting. So have whatever funny rules you want
Up to the promoter but my argument against “using crutches” is if that’s the case then there shouldn’t be straps and hitching in the deadlift
I do have to make the point that all of the “arbitrary” rules you listed have one thing in common. They make the exercise more difficult. The belt makes the movement easier. That said, I agree the promoter can do what they want.
"Belt Drahve" - Mark Rippetoe
Belt cleans for max weight should be an event at WSM
While the belt clean itself doesn't seem like too big a deal in itself I can certainly see the slippery slope of guys using theirs equipment in unorthodox ways that gives them an unfair advantage advantage. Personally I'd rather not see Strongman become the next equipped powerlifting. Part of the appeal of strongman is the primal image of huge men moving massive objects using just their brawn and willpower. The more equipment heavy it gets the less of a spectacle it becomes.
Except that the lift was originally performed as a belt clean. The lifting belt was invented for that specific reason. So the belt clean is not some new thing that's destroying the sport. It's actually going back to the origin of the lift.
Thing is strongman already uses a f*ck ton of equipment, so what’s a belt clean gonna matter?
Strongman isn’t just for chubby chasers. Getting an advantage from a fat belly is pretty silly.
Hey Alan, I think this was a really great video. You may not be trying to change the world of strongman or convince anyone of a particular side, but I think that idea itself is impactful. I think being willing to listen to others opinions and understand where they're coming from is really important and often an idea forgotten in the age of social media. Strongman is pretty unstandardized compared to other sports like you said, and I think that makes events more diversified and interesting to watch. Anyways, I just wanted to know that I think this video promotes some super important and valuable ideas that sometimes we overlook. Keep up the great work!
1:41
Ooh don't tempt me like that Alan..
2:35 , how much does those tires that you are cleaning weigh? Because they look like they weigh ONE THOUSAND POUNDS!
I mean, the video could've stopped at "it's his competition, his money... and so, his rules".
There's no sense in being personal about it, it just made him look stupid.
If he didn't agree with it since it hurts his image of the sport yada yada, the most he could've done is to talk with the guy, not act like a child.
Alan, thank you for taking the time to make this video. You presented a lot of information unknown to casual observers of the sports that I personaly found informative and interesting. Stay safe, and keep sharing from your perspective inside the sport. At least more inside than I am! I'm selfish that way.
sports are constantly evolving to help minimize injury to athlete's. So many armature and pro strongmen tear biceps with this lift and a double overhand to belt would drastically minimize bicep injuries from mixed grip max effort cleans.
Superb. For a sport that is practically its own meme ("whatever... it's strongman" or "good enough for strongman") you've highlighted the weirdness of the controversy wonderfully. Someday soon I'll do one of my history vids on why and how the clean and the continental earned their names and became separate lifts, but that won't help the argument a bit.
Strongmen: Steroids are fine.
Also Strongmen: OMG YOU CAN"T BELT CLEAN! THAT"S CHEATING!
A lot of events are drug tested (people still cheat and admit it) Also belt cleans are for pansies that have 3 brain cells.
Rules in Strongman seem to be either about:
1. Looking cool or
2. Breaking more records
A rule about lightweights is irrelevant, because neither of the above will happen. Therefore, no change is needed.
Great video, Alan! I, honestly, love how you're being objective and you're presenting both sides of the argument, that's what everyone should be doing all the time!
Coming from an older competitor who has been at ever level of the sport--- REALLY well done video man 🤙🙏💪
If any strongman promotion wants to be taken seriously by main stream, they need rules. Like what Rogue does. I think Brian Shaw is going to take Strongman to the masses.
I specifically remember in a WSM competition going over the rules and they stated that the bar cannot be used to lift the bar on the lift. Major Competitions should be the standard even though there is no regulatory force in all of Strongman. In the end it's his competition and his money so he makes the rules.
The Terry guy kinda butthurt. Funny how the heavyweights are so chill and friendly but the small yorkshires making drama out of nothing.
How about Thor and Eddie though ?
@@SuperTintenfisch64 well atleast they keep it between themselves
'heavyweights are so chill and friendly'
literally two of them boutta duke it out in a ring in a few months
Thor & Eddie drama, Shaw & BigZ had drama...
@@rickniu4153 The boxing match is a hyped up theatre to make money, I wouldn't take it seriously.
Great topic and I always enjoy seeing the different point of views.
Personally, I always prefer less reliance on equipment "for my own lifting". I don't care what anyone else does. If the rules say the bar can rest on the belt, it's the same rule for everyone in the comp. As I got to the end of my powerlifting days, I didn't use anything... no belt, wraps, whatever. That was my choice. It's just how I prefer to measure my own progression. As I move into strongman, I use the same process. I choose to train and lift with zero equipment. And I'll compete the same way. That has nothing to do what other lifters do in their training/competing. I'm no pro strongman, nor will I ever be, and I do it to improve myself so using equipment doesn't make sense for my goals.
When you talk about records, then it gets a little dicey. Without standards that apply across the board, you'll have what we have in powerlifting... dozens of "world records" when the standards of equipment and judging are anything but.
So, I guess this was a long way of saying "operate within the rules of the contest you are entering". But it did divert my attention from the boring Zoom meeting I was supposed to be listening to for the last 15 minutes...
Anything that is being launched today will be opposed and favored with 50-50. That brings confusion among newbies what is right and what is actually right? I agree with Alan on tribalism! Anyway it is time for my tricep extentions!
My belt keeps my trousers up and I like it this way.
Between 0 and 50 DM's LOL
I chuckled at that one too
It’s up to the promoter. For example. At USS nationals this year. On the riddles sheet they say for belt cleans. And I quote. “Are belt cleans allowed, sure”.
Alan you are right. If a promoter wants certain type of rules. It’s their call.
You're the most reasonable person on the planet. Thanks.
I agree. anything that aids the competitor should be elimitated. no straps, no suit, no belts, if we eliminate all of those, there would be less injuries in the sport
I'm always puzzled by the things strongman doesn't allow. I'm not hating on the sport; I just can never see a clear reasoning why they allow pretty much everything for an event except "thing x".
Could you give some examples?
@@quelandil5738 Sure. Beyond the belt clean, there's also the sumo deadlift. Then certain stances weren't allowed on the wheel of pain at the Arnold last year.
@@joel5956 you think they changed the rules for stone to shoulder after belsak completely destroyed the event by bouncing the atlas stone?
@@quelandil5738 Could be, but then a lot of advantageous techniques and pieces of equipment are allowed.
I like how clearly you put out your opinion while pointing out it isnt a big deal either way
"Give me the controller, you're playing it wrong."
His money. His event. Gate keepers not welcome.
You compete by the rules of the competition not by everyone's opinion on what they should be. The belt was made to assist with the clean but if it said don't do it in the rules then don't. If it says you can then do.
This was recommended for me and I just wanted an explanation for the thumbnail. Was not disappointed. I agree that it should be up to the promoter and also I think that people should stop hating.
Belts cleans are different to the squat depth leg length example, because having a larger belly is something you can control, you can't control the length of your legs. Plus there is some increase in proportion of the legs as people get bigger.
Joey Szat just did a video on this same exercise. Always good to see different points of view
I’m going to the clash I hope there is more drama and I see it all
Dang dude
@@gabrielmoreno3027 I know I know a little high school musical of me but I’m just excited to get out of the house
@@gym-kneecrickets6294 No that's not what I intended, like actually that's epic like dang dude I wish I could too
@@gabrielmoreno3027 I know right? I am pumped for it!
I would rather watch a show where every event was a belt clean than a person lift sumo ever again.
Sumo is cheating
YES!!! Although I do like to watch the ladies pull sumo at the gym, especially one big tittied one at my gym.
@@metalrocks999 no
@@dickjohnson5025 sumo is valid and ur the reason they think we're all creeps thanks
@@andrewcorrigan6233 Sumo is a garbage lift. The entire purpose of this lift is to make the deadlift artificially easier by reducing the amount of distance the bar has to travel. The IPF should have disallowed this from the start. And no, I’m not a creep. When ladies at the gym wear a sports bar that is clearly too small for their breasts they clearly want to be looked at.
It seems like it should be it’s own , separate, type of lift .
Every amateur USS comp i've done has allowed you to clean to your belt if you immediately rack.
Also, the entire point of strongman is to move the most weight possible. Someone using straps is able to move more weight in a deadlift than someone not using straps. Someone using tacky is able to move more weight when picking a stone than someone not using tacky.
The ENTIRE point of strongman is to move heavy weight, not for it to be "hard." It's already fucking hard.
There either needs to be an unequipped category or not. Until then, people are going to take every advantage to put up the heaviest weight.
They should treat it like speed running. Different tools/techniques different catagories. Promoter chooses what categories to run. Also leaves the option for meme categories :P
"all rules are arbitrary" which is why it's up to the organizer, as long as the same rules apply to everyone, then you can either accept them, or not play, the end. It's not "easier", because you're not fighting the bar, you're fighting the other competitors, and they get the same advantages you do. Allowing you to lift more does not make it easier for you to defeat other people who are also allowed to lift more.
as a purist i dont even want to see alternate grips on dead lifts so i want them to get rid of suits and wraps and straps altogether.
if your hands cant lift it but your arms can then work on that grip strength if your knee is shitty then wait till its healed before competing.
I don’t know anything about strongman but your Axle bar clean is impressive. I might try it out.
IMO this was the best video you've put out in a long time.
I think it is worth not that larger competitors can sort of belt clean without directly resting on the belt. Like, the belt is so tight that they end up with a big muffin top, then the bar goes on that muffin top, and that belt is largely supported by the belt itself. Without the belt, the athlete wouldn’t have that same ‘shelf’ and when the bar is on that shelf, the belt is redistributing that weight.
Brian Siders has my favorite clean of the bunch I think. It's almost an Olympic clean but he makes contact at the apex of the Power Gut, it's beautiful and smooth. (edit: 6:11)
I have to disagree with the belly aspect, the bar on some of the bigger strongmen would not be able to rest on top of their belly at such a high point without the belt supporting underneath. Now, if you could show me this isn't the case and they lift beltless without a change in the position then I'll change my mind.
If everyone has to follow the exact same rules, it doesn't matter what the rules are. If everyone is allowed to do belt cleans, the strongest person will still do the best and heaviest belt clean. If the rules are no belt cleans, the strongest person will do the best regular clean.
The beauty of strongman IS the lack of standardization. “Here’s some random strength events, some you’ve never done before, some you’ve done but we’re randomly imposing different rules than what you’re used to. Have fun!” It means you need to train for a variety of different types of lifts with a variety of different techniques and equipment, because you never know what will and won’t be asked of you. You have to just be really strong overall. As opposed to powerlifting where it’s the same three lifts, same exact rules, and you pick the weights. Nothing wrong with powerlifting, it’s just that the sports exist in different spheres and that’s a good thing.
That said, I personally prefer whatever rule set looks as impressive as possible to the casual observer because that will grow the sport the best. Can we put another 100 pounds on the deadlift and allow suits? Do it then! Give them tacky on Atlas stones and they can pick up bigger stones? Heck yeah! Use tires instead of plates so the barbell looks massive (even though it’s actually easier because it’s a higher pick but that allows even more weight)? Great! Allow straps on farmers so they can pick up bigger implements? Actually… no, the causal observer will notice how much that makes farmers considerably easier, so empty hands it is! Go ahead and belt clean in my opinion.
One exception: Obviously standardize for world records. You can’t claim Thor’s record for pulling 502 kg on a hummer tire or an elephant bar. You shouldn’t be able to claim axel bar WR if you belt clean. But that doesn’t mean Hummer Tire or Elephant Bar lifts aren’t legitimate, just like belt cleans. I’m tired of us gate keeping in the sport. Like when I got told by some guy at my gym that my PR on a wagon wheel deadlift didn’t count because it was wagon wheel. Like dude, you know I track regular deadlift PRs separately right? I’m not gonna go around claiming that towards my powerlifting total, it’s just a PR in THIS SPECIFIC LIFT
No belt cleans and no suits. I want this to be hard!!!!
I just don't use any gear to lift... period. No gloves, wraps, belts. The whole point of working out is to lift weights... not make it easier. If you need gear to lift heavier... you can't lift that weight. Wearing a belt hinders you. Anyone who benches with bands is a €unt! Just get rid of the gear, all of it. Anyone who wants to make their exercise easier.... doesn't actually want to exercise
Apparently the challenge is to lift the heaviest weight while overcoming unfavorable conditions like the thickness of the bar that doesn't allow a solid grip from the start. So, a belt clean is like competing in a hurdles event, but avoiding some hurdles. What you're really doing is softening the challenge.
Strongmen: Belt cleans are too easy
Also strongmen: Hitches all the deadlifts to make them easier
Me: confused pikachu face
Both are garbage. Next
@@gingernaut2550 straps and figure 8s
Deadlift and squat suit
Bench shirt
Deadlift bar
Sumo deadlifting
Big arch benching
Strong man comps: no belt cleans it’s to easy
Everyone competing: on tren
Clear level headed take, that's what I like about you.
I think the rule for all equipment should be that you have to wear it fir the whole competition, not just one event.
You want straps for your deadlift? Sure but they might be in the way for throwing events.
Trying to standardise strongman is a but silly since a big way that it differs from powerlifting is that it is more a spectacle of strength and novel applications add to that.
As long as everyone competing at the show has the same rules, I don't see a problem with belt cleans.
I'd get rid of elbow sleaves before belt cleans.
I think that "it makes the sport a joke" its the mark pretty good. It falls under the same category as a crossfit, ahem, "pull up" or the ridicilously ROM on a power lifter bench. I feel like some argue that its a part of the sport for the sake of arguing instead of reflectin over the fact if it should be a part of it or not.
The stonestrap cracked me up haha
on of the worlds strongest men rocking a thrasher tat. pretty sick
Anthony's argument for making this the rule for this event, was it takes away inconsistent judging. Which I agree with. But on the flip side, I agree with Terry that The rule should be that it falling down on the belt is allowed, but you immediately have to get it up off the belt. I don't care much either way, but these points are more valid than the ridiculous internet debates that are going on.
Alan "I don't like it but it's cool if you do" Thrall
This is kind of like the time I was in school and my teacher told all of us like usual yo grab a seat. Like the smart ass my buddies and Idecided to pick up the chairs in front of us. Teacher said you think your all funny and said stay like that for the rest of class.. Well it just so happens that they both had belts on and I did not so after 10 minutes, the tea her told us to put them down and I was dead while they had 0 fatigue. Lesson here is that using a belt is a tool and should not be allowed in a strength contest. If that is the case than just have a shoulder press competition starting at the neck.
No resting on the belt! Thats part of what makes it so hard
Calling someone "weak" and "trash" should definitely deligtimize their argument, regardless of accomplishment.
Talcum always seemed weird to me, but Ive only ever trained for like six months back in the days. This just popped up.
His promotion, his rules. I do understand the argument for making it harder though. One of the largest crutches from powerlifting is the bench width allowed by all lifters no matter what weight class. This allows people to use good techniques to “complete” a lift that sometimes moves less than 6 inches. Though totally allowed the average viewer writes it off as a complete joke and a high level competitor doesn’t want to see his sport come to that
I always try to understand what a person would get out of a disagreement. Good or bad. Both have good points. Also if someone wants to put a rule in that’s unpopular into their competition, let em. Both valid opinions.
They'd have to make a new axle clean and press record then, just like how there are raw and equipped DL and bench records
You gave an interesting discussion on a topic I know nothing about...nor care about...but still, you really give good discussions.
Reminds me of Monolift vs Walking out
If the competition uses a Monolift, then you should likely train with a Monolift if there's one at your gym and maximize the load without a walkout.
However, most competitions don't use a monolift and you do have to walk out so therefore you should learn how to walk out a squat regardless.
It's kinda like people split jerking on the log. Apparently it's allowed, even at the professional shows, but a lot of people don't like it and think that it shouldn't be allowed.
I don't have a stake in either debate, I just think the lift looks more impressive if you don't use the belt or if you're push pressing the log.
If everyone competes to the same rules, it does not matter
Watching this at the same gym where Terry is doing the Axle with the tires in this video 😅
As a grappler we have the
Gi vs no Gi arguments
Lol.
Both have legit points.
I love both.
Then we have the sport jiujitsu vs street jiujitsu beef.
That picture wit the "Like me 😂