John McEnroe vs Serena Williams
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John McEnroe is right in my opinion on his statement about Serena Williams if she played on the Men's ATP circuit / tour. Serena is arguably the greatest female tennis player ever but to compare her where she would rank on the Men's tour is just not fair. It's two completely different levels of tennis and she would not rank very high at all. That is not a disrespectful, anti-feminist or anti-equality statement. It's just a fact. Why did John McEnroe get so much heat for saying that? Serena even admits she wouldn't do well on the Men's tour.
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I seem to recall someone demanding an apology from McEnroe. He said: "No." Perfect response!!
Its the same clip this vid showed of him with the two female hosts and the male host.
Mcenroe is being bloody generous. A male pro is insanely good. I don't see her beating anyone inside top 1000. There are good male amateurs, ex pros who would beat her
maybe his answer would be different if he were an actor looking foward to his next role.
Or, F- NO!
That’s what I like about him , he tells it like it is, doesn’t sugarcoat nor apologize for what he said .,
She lost 6-1 to a man ranked 203rd who was half drunk after a round of golf.
Half drunk from two beers?
Man, you're a light weight!
@@JoeyMcNelis He most definitely wasn't drunk but he also wasn't playing 100% even if he wanted to
@@snakevenom4954 Oh, I know. I was just commenting on the OP who said "half drunk after two beers". If the OP is half drunk after only two beers, he's a light weight.
And he beat her sister after that.
@@JoeyMcNelis Congrats on a high alcohol tolerance?
The further a society drifts from truth ,the more it will hate those who speaks it
- George Orwell
outstanding.
Perfect
Facts
Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.
So true
We live in a time when so many people just cannot handle the truth. They would rather live a lie because it "feels" good.
let's also say that men are as beautiful as women. Let's equalize the situation and obviously we felt good :))
yep.. men have created a world so easy that women think they're better than men..
Nail on the head Jack
Lies to control people!
Serena = Men are better
Everybody= Claps
Johnny= Men are better
Everyone= How can u say that 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The white male patriarchy😂
The reason for this is you are not allowed to criticize downwards, only upwards. A man with legs may not criticize someone in a wheelchair. But someone in a wheelchair may criticize someone with legs,
*different
It’s like the n word but there’s no offense
@@Marta1Buck 😂😂😂😎
Joh McEnroe committed the ultimate crime “ speaking the truth” instead of what people want to hear”
Nah, trying to explain how ranking works to people who never watch tennis might get them in confusion but I honestly believed that Serena Williams was at least top 10 the greatest in the world before I even watch her matches, then everything make sense when she got her ass lit destroyed (no offense) against one dude ranked 203
Most people like fake people more than real people anyways so what’s the use.
Exactly. I'm starting to believe that's human beings' greatest problem - pride. They don't want to be humbled and hear the truth, they want to hear what makes them feel good.
@Anthony Marks THANK YOU. people who have been around the block..people who aren't COWARDS and aren't afraid of being wrong, appreciate reality.
Leftists are the antithesis of truth. They're all about propaganda and social constructs that support ideology and agenda. Leftists are evil people.
Yeah he fucked up doing that. Lol
She lost to the rank 202 male player after he'd just finished a round of golf and had a couple of pints of lager. He even said he played like the rank 600/700 would play to keep it interesting to watch. The Williams sisters then went on to challenge only male players rank 350 or lower, after thier original claim to beat anyone below rank 200 failed miserably. They are yet to accept any challenges from males rank 350 or lower because they know they will lose.
Karsten Braasch, the #200ish guy who crushed both Venus and Serena, was also a chain-smoker.
I watched them play that match. It wasn’t close.
Didn't he actually drop to 500 a week or two after the match?
He beat Serena 6-1. And he was ranked 203.
He was ranked 203. Karssten Brasch. I'm sure I murdered the spelling his name, my apologies.
Kudos to Serena for being honest. Graceful lady, and John McEnroe was and IS right.
It was on the line!! Mac is always right. Its just as hard to be the #1 ranked woman as it is for a man to be #1. Athletes are always improving getting faster and stronger to contend.
Yes that made me actually respect Serena even more.
Graceful lady, LOL. You obviously don’t know jack.
Love me some Serena!!!
Not totally right. Because it's not a different sport, but the same. As well be like this in swimming, Voleybol, Football, Basketball and whatever. Even in Cooking nowadays men are superior, since the "Modern woman" refuses to cook.
Never apologize for telling the truth. We need the truth front and center.
It's really unsettling how he had to be so apologetic for telling it like it is. For telling the truth... Such a sad, dark time... Judgement, racist, sexist time..
Thanks radical leftists!!! But I digress.
Thank so much for writing this. I needed to hear this. I felt guilty after an honest conversation and was about to say sorry lol
@Goldie The problem is, what is the TRUTH?? YOUR truth is not necessarily MY truth.
Your truth is she won't rank better than 700th. My truth is that she would rank a lot better. Now what?
@@bliglum since you decided to "digress", your "truth" boy egged on his troops to march on Washington and he promised to be right there with them, then hides out in the basement of the White House doing the manly thing....tweeting them on...lol
Then throws Pence under the bus.
Gotta love the right wing , rebel flag carrying nut jobs for their lack of brains.
@@TheNYgolfer Thanks for putting not so fine a point on the real problem in America.. The "us" vs "them" thing that's going on. It's supposed to be the UNITED states of America.. C'mon man!
I find it insane that he has to justify his comments-
EVERYONE knows he´s right, and yet we find it necessary to play this charade.
Truly remarkable how fucked this world has become.
Not everyone and that's the issue.
Some people have been that brainwashed by feminist and gender propaganda that they believe that nonsense.
Some even asked in the media why there are men and women departments in sports and to remove these.
When people make fun of “woke culture”, this is the kind of thing they are referring to. I am all about progressing as a society but when totally legit comments like this “stir the pot” it makes it a lot harder to actually change the meaningful stuff.
Honestly man, idk if it's some sort of huge conspiracy or if there are in fact that many people that are so brain damaged to actually believe those claims. And I really can't understand why we even entertain them so much, we used to reject those type of retards, now modern society embraces them. Looks like ''survival of the fittest'' no longer applies.
@@Kolgart We’ve allowed people to remain in the gene pool far longer than they would have for many many years. And I’m not talking about race or any shit like that. I’m talking about stupid people. They would have fallen off bridges, electrocuted themselves, fucked a horse and got kicked in the head, but we went and put up guard rails all over society protecting the insipid from naturally dying off.
Amen
He told the truth and refused to apologize for telling the truth. Much respect
100% true, never apologize for saying the truth
In fact, he was being very generous with a 700th place!
Exactly. She wouldn't be top 1000. Maybe 700th on the men's college list
Well, it’s not that important.
At that point it doesn’t really matter is she would be top100, top500 or top1000.
Most people could barely name the top20 in any sport… the bigger point is that barely anyone would know who Serena is if she would have to compete with the men.
But there are still many delusional people out there who think that no man could beat Serena or that the US womens soccer team would beat the US mens soccer team.😂
@@ramigilneas9274 This^^^^ she would probably be around 700, like McEnroe said. I trust his judgment more than mine. Even IF she were a little higher than 700, she would be well out of the "well-known" positions ie top 15-30.
Why be politically correct when you can be right. Good job John McEnroe.
He lie. Hopefully anyone who can't be politically correct will be jailed.
@@789uio6y lmfao calm down snowflake. Look at the trans female swimmer, not exactly fair to the females who were born female.
Because political correctness insulates us from realities of life. No one gets their feelings hurt. It's like participation trophies.
@@789uio6y Well F you too, and boo hoo... Yep, I'm not being politically correct..
@@789uio6yidiot
Activist: "You can't talk about Serena like that! reeeeeeeeeeeee"
Serena: "He's right though"
Atleast Serena is honest like everything she said was true like men are faster and more competitive than women and it’s a different game that’s why women don’t get paid as much as men’s sports because people want to watch the best
That wasn't always her tune until she got beat by a rank 203 Male player. She claimed she could beat any male outside the top 200. The rank 203 player took up the challenge and demolished her. That has to be a humbling experience.
That was after he had a couple of beers if that part of the story is true.
@@craigstephen3216 He also played a round of golf the morning before the match.
@@RuneKatashima well learning from a past expiernce is a good thing right?
I like how John McEnroe, who was ranked #1 in the world for a considerable time, and so probably knows a little bit about tennis rankings, gives his honest opinion based on his expertise as the literal former greatest player in the world, everyone jumps on him. Like they have any expertise whatsoever compared to him.
Only pussy PC cry about it
Totally agree. I grew up in the era of McEnroe, Conners, Lendl, Mats Wilander, Edberg, Pat Cash. That was some era of tennis. It has more great top players playing at the same time vs the last 15 yrs in which really on three have dominated.
I think whoever dominated their sport the most.
The better analogy would be obviously Mayweather is a better boxer than Frank Bruno but no one would expect Mayweather to be able to beat any heavyweight in a boxing match...at least not a top 20-30 ranked heavyweight if any.
So if we take in account weight then gender obviously matters. Serena has been more dominating in her gender division than any male in theirs. And if a black player threw the juvenile temper tantrums that McEnroe did you wouldn't be saying how wonderful he was.
@@santaclaus1208
I think whoever dominated their sport the most.
The better analogy would be obviously Mayweather is a better boxer than Frank Bruno but no one would expect Mayweather to be able to beat any heavyweight in a boxing match...at least not a top 20-30 ranked heavyweight if any.
So if we take in account weight then gender obviously matters. Serena has been more dominating in her gender division than any male in theirs. And if a black player threw the juvenile temper tantrums that McEnroe did you wouldn't be saying how wonderful he was.
@@USMC-cv5sd Maybe we should have weight divisions in tennis. Djokovic is 77 kg and there's no way he'd be able to beat John Isner at 111kg. Oh wait, maybe there aren't weight divisions in tennis because weight doesn't matter as much as boxing.
Serena gave her opinion on the subject too: "For me, men's tennis and women's tennis are completely, almost, two separate sports. If I were to play Andy Murray, I would lose 6-0, 6-0 in five to six minutes, maybe 10 minutes. No, it's true. It's a completely different sport. The men are a lot faster and they serve harder, they hit harder, it's just a different game. I love to play women's tennis. I only want to play girls, because I don't want to be embarrassed."
When she says it, nobody cares. McEnroe says essentially the same thing, everyone jumps on him.
I love when they asked him what he thought he’d be ranked. He answered around 1200. They weren’t ready for that kind of honesty
But he means now.
Now days anything that makes sense will be under attack.
yep, they want to kill reason and logic for hidden agendas and the one world order.
Love that
Yup we are watching it happening right in front of our eyes. We don’t call it marshal law anymore. It’s now known as plandemic....I meant pandemic
@@breakaway2x your reply says it all❤️🤝👍
only if its about women....lol
John has never held his tongue and thank God for that!
She said at some point she could win versus any men ranked 350+, because 205 at the time won 6/1 against her when she said the same thing about 200+, then proceeded to refuse any challenge.
@@indigetes yeah cuz there is a limit because men are built for more physically challenging things so at some point really good game sense and skill isn’t enough because that’s just how we have evolved
@@roshaniyengar3236 He's not talking about the physicality. He's talking about false claims. It's awesome that women are competing and winning at the highest levels of sport, but in many sports they're still not comparable in performance to men, so they shouldn't try to claim they are.
Any woman would struggle to return a weak 2nd serve from a man...whoever the last man is on the mens official rankings would beat Serena easy.
You CANNOT be SERIOUS
McEnroe’s great line was “why doesn’t men and women play each other for titles.” McEnroe is right! There is a big difference between men and women!
The politically correct want us to pretend there’s no difference between men and women. It’s complete nonsense. We know men have biological advantages which is why we have separate competitions in the first place.
Precisely
They can't compete at a physical sport equally but some so called sports they can.
Big difference yes but if a point system was created and given to grand slams on down to tournament wins even days ranked as number one player, then Mac is dead wrong.
@@garytortolo1492 I'm undefeated.....against my kids....I am the greatest!
700 is pretty good. Flo-Jo is still the fastest women and holds the track and field record. Her time is 7090 (tied) compared to men's times. So the fastest woman ever is tied with the 7090th fastest man.
True. And Usain Bolt at 16 ran faster than ANY woman ever ran...
Not totally accurate. A lot of the times above her are repeats. Bolt isn't above her just once but every time he competed for over a decade and a half.
I agree. McEnroe was being kind, saying 700th in men's rankings. She'd be much lower than that.
Women: “Serena can be just as good as the top male players in the world!”
Serena: “oh FUCK nah I’m staying in the woman’s league.”
Lol, good choice Serena, stay in your lane girl
@@skinksinthecity girl?? Good assumption
@MDF 2 MDF 2 you are an idiot
@MDF 2 MDF 2 Which only hences his point much more, you aren't the brightest crayon in the box, are you?
@MDF 2 MDF 2 Jokes aside you know that Serena IS a woman not some transvestite or “sex change” person. There are a number of people like you who belittle Serena’s achievement by claiming she unfairly played in the womens’ game when she is a ( not so great) male player. Shame on you,I do not know what Serena has done to deserve the hate speech she gets. smh!
We aren't living in a sensitive time. We are living in an INSANE time with really CRAZY, contentious people.
Don't forget strung out on drugs
So listen to the facts and you will conclude that Serena is THE GOAT.
@@igorborisov8145 for female tennis***
@@sauceypasta yup
I've honestly never had more respect for any female athlete than when I first saw this clip a while back - her....unadulterated situational, REALISTIC awareness was so mind-blowingly refreshing that my level of awe for this woman (for KNOWING HERSELF....and, well, the WORLD) went up a million-fold. Easy.
Game, set, match: Serena.
Game, set, match: Truth.
"somewhere in the 100-200 range" she lost against a guy ranked 200 at the END of his career who first went golfing and drank two beers
Lost badly.
@@kenperlman2204 Lost biggly
She was also at the start of her career she hadnt come close to peaking yet
@@THE1BELOWANDABOVEALL Yea perhaps youre right but there is no way of knowing for sure I atleast have hope she could challenge no.200 and be competitive
@@redgiant970 she hadn’t peaked but was already on track to becoming a superstar dominating force for years to come. She was at the start of that superstar status.
Serena just earned my respect even though I don’t follow tennis anymore. She knows what she’s talking about
I respect Serena for admitting the truth in her interview
That interview was a while before the McEnroe statement. Serena later jumped on the bandwagon and attacked McEnroe on twitter.
The letterman thing was long before the JMac stuff "Keep my name out your mouth" was her response to him actually...par for the course from that spoiled entitled asshat of an athlete she got EMBARRASSED by the 203 ranked guy who drank 2 beers and smoked a pack of darts before the match...destroyed her and her sister as a matter of fact.
@@marvinkline5667 She's always been a crybaby on and off the court. th-cam.com/video/XQg34J9mDvA/w-d-xo.html
@@marvinkline5667 wasn’t that guy a chain smoker who played as a rank 600/700 to make it fair
@@chairmanmeow3693 especially when she called a ref or whatever it’s called sexist because she got called out for breaking her racket and talking smack to the ref
Bruh saying number 700th is already being respectful toward her
Exactly. She can be happy if placed in top 1000.
Lol she would be like an average club player
@@brianpitts922 they both lost someone ranked at 200. That guy played a round of golf then had two beers, then be both of them back to back. After they lost they said they could possibly beat someone ranked at 350.
@@c_b8s4 and braasch stated that he played like a 600th ranked player against williams sisters just to make it interesting, otherwise it would just be 6:0
There is absolutely no way that Serena would be ranked in the top 1000 men. Not a chance. Any guy playing singles for a top division one college would destroy Serena
the team that won the women's soccer World Cup where beaten by 14 year old boys
Bruh really?
I believe the score was 7-1 u14 boys
but it probably ended 1 - 0 on penalty kicks
Yeah that’s true man , it happened to the Australian woman’s soccer team too.
Play 14 year old school boys team and lost 7-1 or even 7-0 I can’t remember exactly
USA female team list 5-2 to some u15 Dallas soccer Academy. They were world champions at the time. It just shows you can't cheat biology and whilst saying that I also thoroughly enjoy watching certain women sports especially winter and track etc
“If he had time to think about it, the real answer would be somewhere in the 100-200 rank range” WRONG!!! He was the greatest to play the game! He doesn’t need time to think about it like you do. That is where YOU would rank her.
Serena Williams wouldn't be able to beat a man inside the top 500. At least.
600 is generous
She was annihilated by #203 men's player. But that doesn't diminish her talent as the greatest women's player.
The news reporters were making opinions about something they know nothing about.
Johnny Mac was right. The number 1 "woman" lost to a man ranked 203.
True true! 700th rank is about right too...
When she was a teenager not even 18 and nowhere near her peak.
@@angelalmanza2179 She was 16 when she won the Australian Open, one of the major events in tennis.
@@thomastessier4529 doesn’t matter, you know that wasn’t her peak. Honestly, she doesn’t need to beat the top guys, you’ll never get a point off her so I don’t know why you feel so high and mighty tbh 😆 😆 😆
She wasn't even just beaten, she was destroyed. 6-1 or 6-2 i believe
I'm glad he didn't switch up and stuck to his statement.
Right, calmly. Positivly, intelligently. McEnroe knows what he's talking about, he got nothing to sell or to lose in that kind of absurd way of argumentating. He just sticks to what he feels true.
In Australia Williams sisters said they could beat any man outside the top 200. A local pro, ranked 203, took them up on the challenge. After playing a round of golf in the morning and a couple beers, he beat each of the Williams sisters 6-1, 6-1. Granted they both improved after that, but John was certainly correct that she was the best "female" tennis player ever.
I think with the other sister it was 6-2
@@nikhpaints yeah, Venus was 6-2. But she is the older sister and ar the time was the better player. They were both in their late teens, I think Venus may have been 20-21 at the time.
5 years later, when Serena was in her athletic prime, I reckon she might have won a couple more games but at 19, she wasnt ever going to do well against a man in his prime.
That was back when they were both young and arrogant.
@@stevearnold2456 yes and then they grew up and got better also smart enough to never make any claim of that sort again cause they were never sure about what no. to pick. What if we claim 2000 and a guy ranked 2200 beats us they thought. Better to keep shut they thought.
@@jamesrodry4364 She was honest with Letterman.
how refreshing to hear an opinion, a well informed opinion that is made honestly and not done in an effort to pander to the snowflakes. it is what it is.
When she asked him "why only the best female player?" there should only have been one answer from John . . .
"C'mon, you cannot be serious!"
Classic!
Why only the best female player?. Duh... Answer: Because she is a female. Not a male..
That'd be awesome!
Good one, DangerMouse.
Or he could have said "Nadal, Federer and Djokovich are obviously better".
Its just seem feminist women wants to be men so bad, while trans women are trying to replace them. This world is going down the drain
Chris Evert when she was in her prime said about beating male players, "I can't even beat my brother and he's not ranked in the top 1000." McEnroe was being generous and Serena thought the idea of beating the top men was a complete joke. So, not a controversy as much as the networks have 24 hours to fill up every day, so they scrounge around for stories.
The issue really isn't "John McEnroe vs Serena Williams" but "John McEnroe vs Serena Williams superfans." Which is a bigger problem, Serena is an intelligent women and fans are nuts ...
The thing is, it doesn't even get past the serve for the most part. There are plenty of amateur men, not ranked at all, who would embarrass the Williams sisters if they actually played hard against them.
@Sean Dent: _"... not a controversy as much as the networks have 24 hours to fill up every day, so they scrounge around for stories."_
Actually, not a controversy except in the mind of a CBS ultra-feminist who can't stand to hear a man say anything she deems to be negative about a woman.
John was being nice. The reality is we could find a 100 high school players that would beat her. She wouldn't be in the top 1000.
There is a reason why in mixed doubles, there is a gentleman's agreement not to hit the ball as hard as possible at the woman.
How can you say she'd be 100-200? She literally played against #203 and got skunked. 700 seems like a totally reasonable estimate.
Exactly, she wouldn’t even be ranked!
I mean she was 17 at the time, it’s not like she was at her peak
@@whateverreally1347 the drunk guy ranked 203 after playing a round of golf and clowning on the court certainly was at his peak best ;D
@@Damian-ho1yb He wasn't drunk FFS. you guys are such trolls.
@Mr Black Nobody ever manages to mention that women literally play with different equipment. Their balls have less fur on them to speed up the game.
McEnroe even stated that if he himself tried to play against the players now he would rank around 1500th...
Thank you, John McEnroe, for TELLING THE TRUTH, and for NOT BACKING DOWN. All respect, Sir!
He never shirked a challenge on the court, and had the balls to stand up to these woke lunatics.
@@DavidSmith-fs5qj she lost 6-1 to 203rd man in the world
100-200 rank range is pretty outrageous. Do we not remember when that dude spent all day drinking and playing golf and still mopped the floor with the williams sister. And he was below rank 200.
203 lol
Good memory. That guy was ranked 203 when he beat Serena 6-1 and Venus 6-2, at the Aussie Open in 1998. He then stated he was playing so badly that he would probably be ranked about 350th on the ATP tour when the rankings came out in the next week.
@@thomasluby1754 he also had been drinking beer when he beat them and said he played at a quality of a 600th rank player. They're great in the female circuit, but they can't play to save their lives in the men's. It's like when people thought Rhonda could fight guys at 135, it's fucking idiotic
He drank a couple beers the night before, he was not drunk when he played serena and venus
Are we talking about Karsten Braasch?
"She'd be ranked 100-200"
Didn't she lose against a drunk guy outside of the top 200?
He said he was playing like 500 so it would be fun.
He beat Serena and Venus the same day, back-to-back in 1998. Australian Open. In their prime.
She was only 16.
@@EpicMathTime
She started playing tennis as a toddler and became a pro player at 14. Won the U.S. open at 17.
Lebron James joined the NBA at 18.
Your inference that she was just a "kid" is misplaced.
He was ranked 304. And yeah he had a couple beers first.
Fact: In the 1998 Australian Open, Serena Williams claimed that she could beat a professional male tennis player with a ranking lower than 200. She ended up playing one set against Mr. Karsten Braasch, who was ranked/seeded 203 at the time. Serena Williams lost the set against Karsten Braasch 6-1.
To be fair, she was 17 years old at the time.
But libtards HATE facts.
@@adamm2787so when should she play AGAINST MEN?
She was at her physical peak and still lost
@@cliff311976 You think an athletes physical peak is 17?
@@adamm2787 what's your physical peak?
Or you never achieved that?
From the 300+ languages in the world, he decides to speak the truth.
That gentleman got my respect for life
Legendary comment
Just saying there is over 1400 languages
James ok thanks for the info
There are actually close to 2,000 spoken languages / dialects in the world
Could be surprising only in the US i guess.
When she agrees with him, and people are still upset that’s the beginning of virtue signaling.
@The Monster Under Your Bed No, the
virtue is the beginning of the signaling.
It’s denying reality . Facts don’t matter anymore ! Stop this planet , I want to get off!!!
And those who are upset don't even play tennis. They just want to be included and level with everything for no damn reason
Was it ever John McEnroe VS Serena? He and she pretty much agreed.
Yeah but other unqualified people have to make this an issue because they have nothing better to do
@@Blorbifink Serena also jumped on the bandwagon and attacked McEnroe on twitter.
As far as I can tell it was McEnroe vs political correctness with Serena Williams just being an emotional face for the argument.
I still think despite McEnroe being about 60 he'd still beat Serena Williams today.
God Almighty is KING and we need to pray to Jesus Christ of Nazareth and the Holy Spirit and give all the glory to God Almighty.
I don't understand why everyone shy away from saying 'Men are physically stronger than Women', We cant live in foolish world thinking that both are equal in everything, they simply aren't..Its not hatred, its the truth..its simply because of harmones, post adolescence man's body releases high levels of testosterone, which improves the muscle strength of men and so more physical power.
The best WNBA player of all time would literally lose to 15 year old boys in a 1v1
Tbf women's football teams regularly get thrashed by 15 year olds and to a person who doesn't watch much football they actually look pretty good playing it.
The best WNBA player and HS girls player culd beat me in basketball.
i can also beat every guy in wrestling.
guys and girls is not equal
also guys and guys is not equal.
i hate people who thinks they accomplish something because they is the same race or gender of someone who won something.
i bet you and 90% cant beat a WNBA player. most white boys is slow ang googy WNBA player is already better than 90% of them.
Sometimes i feel like if i have 10 friends of mine (who r best in my personal experience) i could win the fifa women world cup.
@@muhammadrishad7457 no chance honestly. The women's football is actually decent in some way. They would still get beat by 16 year old academy players but still...
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Tbh him saying she would be top 1000 in the world In men's is kind of a compliment.
The simple fact that there is a men's and women's division in just about every sport is all the evidence you need.
Men and women could compete against each other in my favourite sport, cricket, but that's an exception.
@@ajs41 LOL, I used to play cricket, you're joking right?
@@CIMO13 No, it's common for girls who are very good at cricket to play in boy's teams. A lot of the current women's England cricket team played in boy's teams when they were growing up. The national team also plays against men's teams in order to improve themselves. For instance on TH-cam I was just watching a video of the England women's team playing the British Air Force men's cricket team. Here it is: th-cam.com/video/ZQ21w_jGI78/w-d-xo.html
@@ajs41 Imagine any woman facing Shaoib Akhtar or Brett Lee in their prime, it would be suicide.
@@CIMO13 he is drunk...... don't mind him
2:48 100-200 rank? No way. The male rankings go from 1 to 2,000. She would not be ranked at all.
John McEnroe and Serena Williams respect each other. They were both just stating what is a fact. But the media likes to turn everything into a controversy (racial, sexist, etc.).
@jake mr honest David Letterman appearance: th-cam.com/video/ezwjJxXS718/w-d-xo.html
@jake mr honest I do remember seeing a snippet of the interview. In conclusion, it's really the know nothings saying things that are really nonsense, and then another know nothings would pick it up an regurgitate it until it became a "fact".
Bottom line is don't take those talking heads seriously. They know nothing. But are assigned to talk about something everyday.
Did you know McEnroe along with Navratilova publicly tried to shame Margaret Court the great Australian female tennis player at the Australian Open tennis tournament because her religion didn't believe in same sex marriage. They paraded around the tournament with signs partitioning for the arena named after her to be re named, it was extremely disrespectful of them both. By the way Court holds the record number of Grand Slam women's singles titles, you know the one Serena can't equal or break but the msm still say Serena is the greatest ever? Margaret also won 19 Grand Slam doubles and 21 Grand Slam mixed doubles titles.
@@peterbulloch4328 does any of that dribble have to do with the point of the video? Or are just out social justice warrioring?
@@therobert9521 just think of facts as education not dribble and the whole point of my post seeing though you can't seem to connect the dots is the American msm touts Serena as being the greatest tennis player of all time, men and women when she hasn't even betten or equaled Margaret Courts 24 Grand Slam singles titles. I guess if Margaret was black not white it would be a different story. Secondly McEnroe totally dumped shit on and disrespected a great Australian female tennis player without a murmer from the American media whilst was pressured and criticised heavily by them for suggesting Serena couldn't match it against the men and called her the greatest female tennis player ever. Hope you are a more informed Cuck after being educated with some more facts.....again. I also feel sorry for you when someone giving factual information makes you think they are a vicious WARRIOR....there there everything will be just fine, think up a lame insult to write and your sick mind will feel aalllright.
He is absolutely right, and anyone thinking otherwise never heard the NPR interview. I did.
Snowflakes everywhere. Even when it’s summer.
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Huge respect for McEnroe for not caving
Facts don't care about feelings 😁👍
Yes, trump judges certainly proved this to be true...
@@buckchile614 What does this video have to do with Trump?
@@noless Look at the comment that I was responding to and then look up the definition of analogy. You're welcome. It is written
True bro
@@noless Quite right??? What is this video got to do with conservative judges???
Does everyone have to explain everything he believes. I am glad he stood his ground and didn’t apologize for saying a fact.
the start of the problem was actually the interviewer's assumption that Serena, because she is a woman, is automatically equal to a man on a tennis court and that there are no performance differences between the two sexes!
that is just ignorant and indicates the NPR interviewer knows little, or nothing, about tennis. oh, and then she is willing to arrogantly argue with JOHN MCENROE, one of the greatest to ever play the sport and who follows it daily, about the subject?
i think all this happened as the interviewer's ignorance/arrogance may have led her to question McEnroe's inclusion of 'female' in his statement, thinking that he was somehow being sexist. in actuality, though, she may be the one demeaning feminism by turning people off via her needlessly militant stance.
of course there are differences between men and women, although one sex should certainly NOT be seen in the aggregate as superior to another!
so, yeah, the interviewer was actually the problem and then ignorance/bullying of McEnroe by society actually amplified that stupidity, helped, no doubt, by McEnroe's reputation (pretty much left behind now) for being insensitive.
come to think of it, maybe the interviewer should learn a little about tennis before debating one of the greatest players ever regarding his conclusions on the subject? is that asking too much? is that at all unreasonable, i wonder?
or, if she doesn't want to do that, at least she can have the decency to apologize for her imputation that McEnroe was being sexist, as well as the arrogant presumption that she knows more than John McEnroe does about tennis?
i don't want to go overboard here... there is nothing wrong with asking a question, of course. some, though, are certainly more pointed than others! i'm guessing there was an ignorant agenda there...
if not, she has nothing to apologize for.
there may be a way to tell, though. how did she act afterwards towards McEnroe when this all blew up, i wonder? did she demonstrate integrity by recognizing McEnroe's honesty, his long history of respect towards Serena's game and other facts that would help people not jump to the wrong conclusion about what he said?
maybe.
i see no mention of that in this piece, though. and that doesn't surprise me as people, in general (no matter their sex), don't often display such integrity.
maybe we, the general public, will never know what her part in all this really was, then. she could be innocent and just intellectually, as well as morally, sloppy like so many of us are on so many occasions...
it, at the end of the day, isn't a very big deal, though - not for McEnroe who certainly is going along his merry way, nor (apparently) for Serena. the game of tennis is probably totally unharmed by it, too.
however, it should be said that unreasoning militant sexism, if that is what started this fiasco and fueled it, actually probably harms the feminist cause more than anything. it is a form of bullying and bullies don't typically make many friends, even of fair-minded people who otherwise could be potential allies...
so, come on, people!
we need to be better than this, don't we?
advocate for equality but do it in the right way. treat other people well, especially when they are not trying to cause you a problem,. that is just common sense...
nailed it on the head 100%!!!
Nice novel 👍
I didnt see the interview, but I think it's not an odd question if the NPR woman thinks that 'greatest' has another meaning than 'best'. In that sense McEnroe could've just answered 'because to be the greatest you have to be the best in the game'.
In other words, aren't you being too hard for the interviewer? :)
Simon Teeninga:
so, an NPR interviewer who is talking about the best tennis players all of a sudden needs to have 'greatest' defined by the interviewee? interesting. i think the more likely explanation is that you tend to put your head in the sand a lot.
The reporter is an idiot. And because she's an idiot John, like he will, served up some nasty, sarcastic, truth. He probably should have said 500?
Many of my friends and I played tennis in our teens. Every time there was a close call on the line (we were almost always on hardcourt, never grass, and rarely clay), we would always launch into a McEnroe tirade: "What are you nuts ref. There was chalk everywhere. EVERYWHERE!" It was an homage to our favorite player at the time, though we also held Bjorn Borg and Jimmy Connors in high esteem from the earlier era. But no one had the "fight" like McEnroe
YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!
Mac and Serena were both right- both players, and not “cancel culture” robots...
exactly, people need to listen to the actual pros (John Mac and Serena), and stop listening the phonies in the media who only push their agendas.
I remember when McEnroe was asked the question where he thought the number one womans player would rank on the mens tour when he was ranked in the top 5 on tour, he answered the reporter with " I don't think the rankings go that high " smiled and walked away.
Except that time after that match a little while back where serena flipped out at the ref and used the race & sex cards inappropriately. That being said, I think she was just having a bad moment and heated emotions got the best of her.
I'm never hitting 'read more' ever after this one 🤞
We're entering a new Dark Age wherein truth and reason is being traded for feelings and identity politics.
the battle for minds is the greatest battle
Disgusting
End times: When good is bad and evil is good
Cozzie, you said it perfectly, well done.
Truth becomes hate speech era. Upside down world we're in. Obey, Conform, Comply and Consume. Hmmm, sounds like the movie They Live.
I don't think Serena could beat the NCAA Men's Champion much less the one of the top 700 on the ATP...
If women were as good as men at sport there would not be womens and mens sport there would just be sport.
She lost to the 204th ranked male, and she was destroyed by him, so we know she's not in the top 200. She said she meant she could beat any male outside 350, but I think she couldn't beat any of the top 500 men!!
More realistically 900-1200.
i was so wrong about 100-200 lol. Yes it's more 700-1200
@@breakaway2x Yeah... Great player; nasty attitude.
@@darrellkramer8097 I think she had to fight hard to deal with it. Also a lot of media probably provoked her and "poked the bear" as she was always under a lot of scrutiny and attention. I don't think it's easy for us to know the kind of pressure they deal with everyday being a famous tennis player. I give her a lot more slack.
@@breakaway2x She has to be the rudest celebrity I ever met.
@@darrellkramer8097 wow u met her??
You said she will be ranked between 100 and 200? Thats unfortunately not true. It will be hard to win against well trained top 1.000 for serena or any ranked #1 in wta.
And its not just about height, its more about agility, endurance and strength.
I think I was being too generous. Yes, I would change it to more like 500-1000th ranking leaning closer towards 1000.
@@breakaway2x yeah a long time ago she played against world number 203 and it wasn’t even close.
@@hamzaabbaszaidi8788 that was very telling yes
What a BS, she wouldn´t even win against No. 7000 of mens ranking-list, if such a list would excist. McEnroe sayed this nonsense only, because he knew about all this feminismn-shit in TV. I know personally some ex-professionals in the age of over 40, she has not even a chance against these guys, even if she would be completly doped. Please awake, Female and male-tennis are 2 compete different planets !
yep
I think he could have easily refuted the conversation instead of this 700th thing by simply saying she isn't the best player in the world, Roger Federer, or Nadal or whoever the men's champion is.. Then it would have been on the NPR clown to dispute it.
"Living in a sensitive time"? We're living in a time of delusional, irrational twisted feelings. No rational thought on most so called "offenses".
More like "offensive to men time".
I'm glad he didn't back down. And I give Williams credit to point out the fact there's a difference to the capabilities in their respective divisions.
100% credit to Serena for being honest and telling it like it is. That's why I respect Serena.
She and her sister talked about how they could beat any man outside the top 50 the guy who no one remembers his name and ranked 203 crushed her 6-2 and Venus 6-1 after drinking 2 beers and smoking a half deck of cigarettes. Then they said they could beat anybody outside the top 250 she's been challenged and ducked since then. You are high if you think shed rank in the top 500
@@marvinkline5667 I actually give the Williams sisters credit for having the guts to do it. Most people would back down from a challenge or a risk. I have more respect for them as women that they actually tried and faced a male pro.
"Okay, you happy now?"
"Yes, I'm happy."
See? It's all about the _feelings_ with these people.
Wow literally
The society nowadays is full of people getting upset on other's behalf. There is NO WAY to prove McEnroe is right or wrong. Why? Because the women already got equal prize money as men although they spend much less time on court in Grand Slams. So no women will actually agree to play any men and risk getting beaten soundly. That will make their EQUAL pay for the SAME sport argument so hollow.
“Then the lady said to me, I don’t remember which one.”
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Johnny Mac is the best
He did want to make a nobody famous for being a sports idiot that likes to stir up controversy 😆. Perfect!
Perfect!
And, thanks to Serena for clearing up the matter with equal honesty. Much love to the female Queen GOAT of Tennis. Roger= King Goat of men for now.
"Why do you say the greatest female tennis player and not the greatest tennis player of all time?"
(Me screaming at the electronic device) "How many MEN has she beaten?"
Well, maybe if you get some relative numbers, like wins to total games played, or titles out of tournaments played. But not in absolute sense of course. Like if you say she dominated women league like no other man dominated in men league. But I am not sure it would be true statement.
@@d4slaimless The men's league has more strength in depth. Federer (20GS), Nadal (20GS) , and Djokovic (18GS) went head to head for domination for years, whereas Serena (23GS) didn't have any similar rivals. Her closest rival for most of her career was Henin who won 7GS. Just take out one of those top three men, and the other two would have close to 30 grand slams.
@@sebfox2194 Good observation!
Victoria azarenka is a much better player than her. But sadly, she doesn't take testosterone . .
Reporter has 0 clue about the difference between Men’s & women’s tennis
John wasn't lying at all. The question was greatest of "all time." I'm sure there are far more than 700 men that have taken the court that would beat Serina.
He's right! Everyone who knows anything about tennis is aware of his truth. Even a college player can beat the # 1 female. That's who their hitting partners are.
I remember the NPR interview of McEnroe very well, I happened to be listening to that story as it came out that morning. I have to say that John is absolutely correct and in fact Serena is totally backing him up on his statement. I think John said Serena would be ranked 700th in the men’s tour just to make a point that she wouldn’t even figure among the top 50 or perhaps 100 players. The female reporter felt the need to defend Serena because she’s a woman and John retorted emphatically. I see this as a gender war more than anything else. It was dumb for the reporter to even ask why John had to specify best female player in history. If she knew anything about professional tennis, she would have not asked such a dumb question, period.
The problem is not the reporter but the people who spread that non-sense about she being the best player. It was the same with Ronda Rousey, people were claiming she was the best fighter alive..... well, how did that end?
The reporter was stating the obvious, which is what people were claiming. It is stupid to even think that was true but a lie repeated multiple times becomes true.
But you think that because pro male tennis are better then women, so all men are better then women in pro tennis!!! Hehehehe there are only few pro male tennis players.
Absolutely correct my friend. I'm sure she at some point realized just how dumb that question was...lol. But it's okay that it's like that. I mean it's what separates us from them. They are naturally the weaker sex and it therefore summons up that caring instinct in males that makes us want to treasure and protect them because they are weaker and need looking after. Now, that's not to say they are weaker than us in every single aspect of life. I am sure there are plenty of things they could kick our butts on when it comes down to it. Just not anything that calls for greater strength, speed, timing and agility.
After more introspection, I think I have to change the estimation. Serena would more likely be ranked between 500 to 1000 if she was in the men's pro tour.
Thanks for updating your opinion, as I think that you are probably closer to being correct than 100-200. This is not a knock against female tennis players vs. male tennis players re: skill level; it is simply biology (speed, strength, endurance, etc.).
@@DaemonGeek There is a big difference in skill. ATP forehand is much more difficult to execute (timing and wrist movement). I would also argue that the footwork for WTA is less skilled. Just watch how Federer dances around with his footwork compared to WTA players. It's not even close.
@@bmpjjaa Not in skills, some female player in the WTA tour have a better technics and even footwork than other ATP male players. It's just a strength and velocity attribute. You are referring Roger Federer and how he dances in the court, but Steffi Graf was moving as good as him. I agree Serena would be between 500 and 1000, John assessment at 700 is pretty accurate.
@@lawrence_cali Agree with most of your points. Imagine driving a Ford car and driving it on a track. Your technique isn't perfect but it doesn't matter the car speed is not fast. Now, start driving a F1 car, your weaknesses will be exposed.
Same with tennis. You may be able to dominate D1 tennis, but as you climb up the ladder, opponents get stronger and faster. Strength and velocity will expose your weaknesses. Agassi had a quote, most young players with weaknesses in technique will hit a plateau.
Any top 100 ATP players have better technique than Serena and it's not just because of their strength. Serena ranking 700 is about right to me.
Tell me any ATP 500 players that can get away with this footwork:
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@@bmpjjaa Agree. But also, even if your driving technic is perfect, you won't probably win any race with a basic car again poor driver with a F1 or any race car.
2:45 - Both Serena and her sister (who themselves claimed that they can beat any tennis player lower than 200th rank, basically they themselves admitting that they are not the best overall) lost against a dude who was 203rd, with dude appearing to the game after a game of golf, couple of drinks, and forcing himself to 'play like someone ranked 600th in order to keep the game fun'.
Or in other words, John's estimate was actually pretty accurate!
agreed, they both lost to a 200 ranked player
This is insane, JM didn't say anything wrong.
We live in a world where feelings are more important than the truth.
Actually a lot of scientists believe in a greater power or creator. We are still only scratching the surface of existence on this planet. To disrespect Christianity is disrespecting the people who discovered, fought, and built your civilized society you ungratefully enjoy.
@@AlexSCSI5 you didnt comprehend what I said. Many top scientists who aren't religious, believe in a greater power or creator.
Ps Im not religious but it isnt all bad. Teaches good vs evil, morals, compassion, etc.
@@googleaccount2637 No? "A lot of scientists" don't believe in a "creator", where did you take that from?
Actually, yes they do. Which is why I selected the words. I have been in sciences for decades and know many scientists quite well. Look at biology, where does ones soul or spirit originate? Study astronomy and you will reach a conclusion as well. I suggest you remove your veil of ignorance.
@@googleaccount2637 Your first argument is just an anecdote, and thus not evidence at all. Iam quite confident that modern biology isn't coming to the conclusion that "a creator" made life. That's anti-science to the core because it's basically "We don't know yet, therefore god". That's not an argument anyway, just an assertion. Prove your creator.
Actual biologist have actual theories such as abiogenesis, which is widely accepted in the scientific community. Granted, we have yet to understand how it precisely works, but to assert that it therefore can't have a naturalistic explanation would be an argument from ignorance and wouldn't set you far apart from goat herders who thought that rain and lightning is also clear evidence for a supernatural power.
"Although the occurrence of abiogenesis is uncontroversial among scientists, its possible mechanisms are poorly understood"
Levinson, Gene (2020). Rethinking evolution: the revolution that's hiding in plain sight. World Scientific. ISBN 978-1786347268.
The fact that you consulted astrology, which is demonstrably a pseudo-science, is the nail in the coffin for you argument.
If Mac had a chance to really think about it, he'd rank Serena in the 900's.....and that's being nice.🙄
true I think he was being respectful even at 700.
Rude but true.
Yes right
Yeah I agree
Just amazes me how little people know about tennis on here. She can’t even win anything these days on the wta ,any man even 1000 ranked would kick her fat arse around the court so easily.
Hands down to Serena Williams for 2 things, 1 acknowledges she's the best woman's tennis player, 2 acknowledges that men and women's tennis is two different sports and not comparable!
Its still just as hard to be the #1 womans tennis player. She is playing against top ultra dedicated athletes also.
@@hounddog3476 not the same sport... cant compare.
@@jeffsanders5444 Of course it's the same sport, difference is that the men are much better at it, just like any other sport.
It is the same sport, if Serena , in her prime,walked on the court to play any man in the top 500 , she gets demolished, same sport, but 2 different levels of skill, strength and sleed
@@peteduhaime9689 Strength and speed, yes...not skill. Her technique is near perfect- highly skilled. That's where people think it's insulting. When innate differences like strength, speed, musculature, etc. come into play, yes men will outperform. But, when you say "skill," yeah it's insulting.
Serena Williams and John McEnroe have been on the same page of this issue for well over a year. I see no problem.
It’s already been settled. Venus and Serena both lost 6-1 to a 200 ranked guy after he played golf and had a few beers.
He was also smoking cigarettes and he didn't tie his shoes.
So they couldnt beat rank 203 and therefore never attempted the feat again, so they wouldnt rank 200 as to whether theyd be 700th, the juries out, we'll never know. These whining little karens can talk when women play best of 5.
@@StuartwasDrinkell Stu they wouldn't beat the best male high school players in any country and in the USA probably from any state.
@@adiracquetball that is also why I do not think women should be paid the same as men. “Equal work equal pay” was the mantra way back when. Now it’s “less work equal pay”.
@@TWN321 In the majors it certainly is.
After more and more introspection, I think I have to change my estimation to now 2500th ranked if she was playing against pro men. I think 2500th is more accurate.
I don't think so. Men are stronger but at rank 2500, players are not consistent enough to make enough points to beat her. Serena will smash through players at that rank with just her consistency. Rank 700 is pretty fair.
@@bmpjjaa You'd be surprised how little difference there is between a 2500th ranked and 200th rank. Not much. The big difference occurs when you get higher up in the rankings like top 50-100. So I think based on sheer power, a man at 2500th rank could still outblast her. She wouldn't be able to return most of his shots. It would probably be a close 7-5, 6-4 win for him.
@@breakaway2x @breakaway2x Just look at Sinner when he was rank 1600 vs his rank 263.
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The difference is huge. Serena would have beat Sinner's by a mile when he was rank 1600.
Serena will be able to play competitively against SInner when he was rank 800 but not a chance when he reached 500+.
@@bmpjjaa Sinner is looking like he's going to be the next dominant player for years to come. Exciting times for men's tennis.
We went from the information age to the disinformation age in 20 years.
how true indeed! Denzel Washington said it best!
"If you dont read the paper you're uniformed. If you do read the paper you're misinformed"
Less then that to b honest
@@danh5810 indeed. And in a couple of years, we'll all be uniformed. Like in North Korea!
John is extremely nice here, he knows exactly that Serena wouldn't even rank on ATP. Anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea about tennis. WTA top 1 would struggle against 16 year old guys.
Much respect to Serena Williams for telling it like it is!
Good for him for speaking of the truth and not giving in to pressure from the media.
Thank you John and Serena both for being honest
Serena is not right. Tenis is the same for both, men or women. Don't come with this buIl* that are different...Man and Woman are different by NATURE. PERIOD.
Did John McEnroe forget Margaret Court who took four years off to have babies when she was in her prime, Margaret Court also won 64 grand slams in singles, doubles and mixed doubles…. Serena won most of her matches against second rate players like Maria Sharapova….
Respect for serena being humble enough to admit mcenroe was right, instead of trying to be like WNBA players and saying they could be someone like prime demarcus cousins in a one on one lmao. Theres literally no shame in being the greatest female tennis player ever.
Yo I'd bet DeMarcus could could take gonna couple of the beat WNBA players. Go big blue.
WNBA players as a whole will never say anything like that. You'll find someone dumb enough to say that if you ask a big enough group. If you interview them all you'll find someone ranked 200-700 in the world who thinks they can beat Djokovic too.
Feminists and flat earthers are really making us go back to the drawing board with some issues
very sad isn't it
@@breakaway2x yea wasnt like that 10 years ago
@@breakaway2x You are not much better. Claiming Serena would be "100 to 200" on the mens ATP tour was an ignorant comment. You were also somewhat misleading to keep stating that the mens and womens games are very different. But why? Answer: The men are BIGGER, STRONGER and FASTER and women will NEVER be able to compete with men on a professional or college level, when it comes to athletics. PS The Williams sisters lost to a male player at the 1998 Aussie Open, who was ranked 203 on the ATP tour. Serena lost 6-1 and Venus lost 6-2 and that male player claimed he would be ranked 350 the next month, the result of playing poorly in recent tourneys.
feminists, flat earthers, fox news watchers, trumpsicles, climate change deniers, Q-anon people...
@@PeterJames143 add to that; far left, neo- liberals, SJW, CNN & BLM while you are at it.
With time to think he wouldnt of changed his answer to 100-200. She played the man ranked 203 and lost 6-1.
Exactly! This dude low key trying to be politically correct.
Wouldn’t HAVE changed his answer.
So glad you included the mixed doubles. What is missing is the audio, but she says it to Letterman … the men are faster.
We were living in this idiocracy then we wonder why Covid happened.
haha good point
True
The NPR interviewer set McEnroe up in that interview knowing how he would react. Probably looking for fame among feminists. I quit my support of NPR after this.
The light finally dawned on Marblehead?
Really? *That* was the straw that broke the camel's back?
I laugh when friends claim that NPR is centrist.
It is just commie Propaganda.
There was no setup, McEnroe knew full well this question would come up when he agreed to come to the interview. Its why he got invited in the first place.
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I disagree
She wouldn't make top 1000
1000? 1500 will be respectable
He was honest. They asked of ALL time. So Male players who are dead also. Yeah Serena is low on that list. She's still top of female all time sure.
Yep. That's the problem with casual speculation. I trust John's opinion much more. Oh, and the data.
John McEnroe , Thank you for being a real American Man !!!! For keeping it real ! God bless you !!!
We aren’t living in a time of sensitive issues, what is happening is there are very powerful people out there who are sensitizing certain issues because of the agenda they’ve got. We need more people like McKenroe who will just say it as it is and fuck what you feel.
agreed,,,,so true, we all should feel free to speak, not hate shit
As long as the opinion was not of malicious intent. McKenroe said it from experience and stating it as fact based on his expertise. Anyone getting hurt from it is over reacting. If I said it , then it was an intent to put Serena down to make myself feel better because I don't play tennis professionally. Then reactions against me would be justified. That is what people need to be able to distinguish. Without the ability to tell the difference is what will ruin our society. Because people should be able to speak from experience, as different experience levels also add credibility to the comments.
100%.
I love how the same group of people who call other people science deniers also ignore biology.
Becoz lefatd only care about feeling
Michael Schmidt, this is the most put together, articulate thought I've read in a long time
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John's balls are still intact. He's still spitting facts and being real.