The name of the channel has finally been changed!!! Also, ignore the handles in the outro, they're wrong, but they'll be fixed in the next video. If you want to check my other social media accounts, head to the description of the video or in the homepage of my channel, the links there are the correct ones. I'm having problems with Instagram, it just won't open on my phone because I'm a Beta Tester, so apparently there are issues with the new version, so I was able to change only the handle and the picture from my PC, but I can't change the link to my TH-cam channel. As for X..... well, it's just bad. I can't change the name because I have "tried too many times" the first time I tried, so it's going to be ShadowX5452 Gaming forever, I suppose....
The staging with the characters in the open world is very funny and creative😅😂. Natlan seems to have the most complex lore among the nations we've ever met. I'm looking forward to the next chapters😆
@@igorrodrigues2532 it is hard to do, especially when I'm supposed to use keyboard, mouse and tablet at the same time, and I would need 2 more arms to do that, but the result is so satisfying! And yeah, it has the most complex lore we've ever seen in this game, and the fact that there is so much in just the first half of the first update, makes me think that be 5.3, we are going to have so much to learn, it will feel like taking a degree!!! And I'm all for it! XD
@@catdownthestreet I kinda feel like Sumeru's lore was easier, probably because it was released little by little across the 9 updates and it wasn't even all about Sumeru, at a certain point it became more about Khaenri'ah and the cataclysm. Natlan literally dropped a whole encyclopedia worth of lore on the first day!!!
Finally somebody explained the shole nightkingdom situation. I knew it was due to thr leylines barely being present, but I never knew why they weren't present. Theres quiet a lot of Natlan lore I have missed. Your channel rebranding is very cool, big fan of the banner and profile pic!
@@Schnubi yeah, so that's exactly why it took a week to write the script alone! The Night Kingdom and the whole story around it, is so interesting but also so complicated, that it took me a while to figure it out XD And I'm really happy you liked the changes!!! XD
@@amorimjt thank you!!! I went through many, MANY ideas for the banner, so I have countless unfinished drawing that I thought I liked and then realized they were bad for the banner. The one in the outro survived for so long that I actually finished it before deciding to go for the same four characters that were already in my previous banner, but it looked too good to be completely scrapped XD
If I'm not mistaken, then in Mika's story it says that the Captain has dark blue eyes, and Tenoch has gray ones. Besides, I would like to know your opinion about why there are so many details of the dragon in his design, and why in the battle cut scene he held a sword in a similar way as Kaya
@@котейкатв-г7л so... Here's the thing that I didn't say in the video because I didn't want to sound like I couldn't give up on my previous theory about Capitano. Have you checked Zhongli's whole outfit? And did you see the other Harbingers' outfits? It still look, somehow, like Capitano could be Menogias, because both him and Zhongli have these dragon scales details, but also the two diamond shaped designs that every Harbinger also have, and Menogias was in charge of clothing. Now, I do believe him to be Tenoch, because it just makes sense, why would Menogias know and care about an oath made 500 years ago in Natlan, right? But then capitano says "you heard something from here", as if the body belongs to a person, and it's acting as a container for another consciousness, which would explain why Capitano doesn't look like Tenoch, but what he's trying to achieve fits Tenoch perfectly. As for the eyes, it could really be anything. That body isn't really that of a living being, so that he has blue eerie eyes could be a product of whatever turned him into a pitch black figure. Plus, his powers look more Geo than Cryo to me, which would fit Menogias actually. It could also be that Hoyoverse knew that people thought he was Menogias and decided to play on that
The thing about Ganyu being wrong is not actually true. Although Mavuika has been in stasis for 500 years she is still older since she was around before the cataclysm and Nahida was born basically at the end of it.Dont know how she knew that though maybe they met up back then and more recently.
@@GhostEmblem yeah, but as you said it, Mavuika has been in stasis for 500 years, so if she was something like 25 years old, she would still be 25 years old when she came back to life. Ganyu told us about Nahida in the present, and she said that she IS (not was) the youngest of the seven, and that is wrong, because she is now 500, while Mavuika is still 25. She was the youngest when she became the Archon, so it would have been correct if Ganyu said that she was the youngest of the seven when the seven were instituted
I really appreciate the work you put into the creation of all the clips/Video parts to support that what you are saying. This must have been a lot of work and coordination with friends
@@saskiamel7368 coordination with friends? That would have made things soooooo much easier... No, I did it all by myself with two accounts, one on the PC and one on the tablet, and a lot of editing to make it look like those characters were there at the same time. The few videos where two characters are actually there together, that's still me, using both devices at the same time, which with just 2 arms wasn't really easy to do XD But thankfully, despite the hardships, the result was nice! I'm happy you liked it!!!!
Another thing about the name Och-Kan is that it’s the name of the Vision Serpent from Maya mythology, which was the serpent people would see in the visions they had during bloodletting rituals. It has also been identified with Waxaklahun Ubah Kan, the classic name of Kukulkan. The K’iche’ name of Kukulkan was Ququmatz, which is likely where the name Qucusaur comes from. Also, just so I don’t miss a variant, the Aztec version of Kukulkan is Quetzalcoatl. I think thematically that Mictlan (I will be using the non-title names of the tribes where I can since they are shorter) is a mixture of Anemo and Cryo and the Flower-Feather clan is a mixture of Pyro and Anemo. For Mictlan we know they’re associated with Anemo already, but Cryo seems to come up a lot in relation to them. Liliuo has a Cryo Vision, Citlali has a Cryo Vision, and Ororon is working with Capitano, a servant of the Cryo Archon. This also would tie into a general trend of connecting Anemo and Cryo together in various stories, settings, characters, and even enemies. The Flower-Feather Clan has the Pyro Qucusarus, but they fly on them and seem to use hot air balloons, and Chasca is Anemo. I think that this means that Ifa will be Pyro, giving each tribe a representative (perhaps even hero) of the clan’s element. That’s also why I believe Ororon is the hero of Mictlan, too. With that color scheme and his clan, the chances of him being Anemo are pretty high. I do not think that this sorta thematic fusion of elements is related to their respective Saurians, though. I think that the Saurians are like the mutant Bathysmal Vishaps that Orobashi had the people of Enkanomiya experiment on, but on a much longer time scale and with more resources. The Bolteater and Rimebiter Bathysmal Vishaps only exist in Enkanomiya, why the normal Primordial Bathysmal Vishaps can be seen in Fontaine and Remuria (Cineas has been trapped for millennia bro). Just like Orobashi couldn’t get them to adapt to Pyro, there shouldn’t be a Cryo Saurian. I think it’s too difficult or even impossible for a Vishap to fully cross the elemental “spectrum” (like light because of the light realm). That does raise the question of how the Koholasaurs exist, but I think that 1. Hydro is slightly closer to Pyro while Cryo is on the opposite side of the spectrum entirely, 2. the time scale difference may have allowed Hydro to come about, probably as the final Saurian, and 3. the presence of Phlogiston and its various forms, like liquid Phlogiston, probably aided the process of their evolution. I think Ganyu’s line still stands on a technicality. Mavuika was the Pyro Archon before Makoto, Rukkhadevata, and Egeria died, and she is now again the current Archon. Mavuika’s likely one of the Pyro Archons Ganyu has actually met before, and it’s a bit difficult to hide your identity from an Adeptus, so she probably knows she’s the same Archon from back then. If you take age to mean the amount of time she has existed or just the amount of time that has passed since she was born, she would be the second youngest Archon, just a few decades older than Nahida. It’s sorta like the cryostasis (I did not say Cryo Hypostasis) situation in Honkai Impact 3rd. Are the remaining MOTHs 5,000 or 50,000? Depends on if you want to count their age with or without the unconscious time.
To me, the Wayob sound like Ideas from Honkai. I’ve never explained them before, but since you’re around the finale of part 1 you’ll learn more about them soon enough. In short they’re similar to the administrator of the Kaslana Stigmata, amalgamations of the memories and wills of a bloodline, but not attached to any one particular human component of theirs. I think the Flamelord’s Blessing is related to selecting the next Pyro Sovereign. Since more than one Saurian can have it at a time I think it’s more of a mark showing that they are a candidate, similar to the Pilgrimage for the Pyro Archon. I don’t think Little One is the next Pyro Sovereign (my precious Xibi), but I think there’s a possibiiity that we will see the next one be born. I think I know why the Archon Quest is going to 5.3. The Tribal Reputation reward a Blazing Flint Ore for max reputation with each tribe, so there should be 6 of them. That number combined with their description, “When grasped in one's hand, one can feel the fiery pulse thrumming within the stone. Perhaps one day, held high against the starry sky, it might emit a gentle gleam that illuminates the night.”, makes them sound like Stella Fortuna, so I think they’ll be for the Pyro Traveler’s constellations. “The Cornerstone of Stars and Flames” items are categorized as 5 star character level-up materials like the weekly boss drops, so I think these will be for Pyro Traveler’s talents. One given at the end of the Tribal Chronicles (only example at the time of writing this is Mualani’s story quest but I assume Kinich’s will give one too, one for each each major update of the Archon Quests (Acts 1&2, 3&4, and 5), and one after each major World Quest. Those will probably be for the Pyro Traveler’s talents. Pushing the Archon Quest to 5.3 will likely give people enough time to get max tribal reputation and complete all the relevant quests to max out the Pyro Traveler.
I have a theory that we will see different all the major sun deities from Aztec and Maya mythology from across the main codices, which are different collections of lore that recount the mythology in different ways. So far we have a few figures that correspond to deities who either serve as the sub or were considered sub deities for other reasons. The god of the Night Kingdom may correspond to Tezcatlipoca, the lord of the night, god of the nocturnal sky, brother and antithesis of Quetzalcoatl. The first sun. Waxaklahun Ubah Kan corresponds to Queztalcoatl. The second sun. Chaac is the Maya equivalent of Tlaloc. The third sun. Xbalanque’s probably a consecration of Xbalanque the Maya Hero Twin (alongside his brother Hunahpu) and Huitzilopochtli, the fifth sun. Other than the obvious aspect of him also being the god of war there’s the fact that Xiuhcoatl, the fire serpent, is also the weapon of Huitzilopochtli, and Xbalanque’s Divine Throne would be made from Xiuhcoatl’s authority. That leaves Chalchiuhtlicue, the fourth sun. But, depending on the codex or the tradition, you also have Tonatiuh (who in some traditions was formerly known as Nanauatl/Nanautzin) as the fifth sun. In other traditions Tonatiuh and Nanautzin are separate gods but the sun story is related to both of them. Tecciztecatl (co-sun with Tonatiuh, was turned into the moon). Ehecatl, the god of wind. Also considered an aspect of Quetzalcoatl. Not a sun (as Ehecatl), but in different variations of the mythology he is considered to be the one who moves the sun and moon in one way or another. It’s tricky before Genshin mixes and matches a lot of mythological elements around, and for some of these there’s so much variation in the source material itself that it’s difficult to guess where they’ll take from, but I think these are all likely candidates to see.
Sorry to break it to you man but. Leaks ahead.... Someone screenshot a part of the 5.1 AQ during the Beta and it shows that Ororon has an Electro Vision.
@@gyannunez I don't think that the visions have much to do with the tribes for a single reason, which is that the Nanatzcayan would only have Geo, the Huitzlan only Dendro and so on, which would be bad and hideous if you think about it. I mean, people have their own aspirations beyond what their background ideal is, just like the nations. In Fontaine, people all believe in justice, the background ideal, but their own personal ambitions affect what vision they received, they don't all have the same one, so the same would apply to the tribes. The Saurians are a whole different thing. Just like the vishaps, they adapted to the element surrounding them, so they changed accordingly, the difference is that one was an experiment while the other was the natural course of events. All the elements can be justified with Pyro except for Cryo since it's exact opposite, so it wouldn't make sense for it to exist in Natlan. I don't think Ganyu's statement to be true and there is a huge difference between the Flamechasers and Mavuika. The MOTHs hybernated, so they have been alive for those 50000 years, while Mavuika literally, in some form, died and came back to life 500 years later. Now, if Ganyu said "Nahida was the youngest of the Archons after the cataclysm", that would have been true, because she would have just come to life while Mavuika was already in her 20s. The problem is that she said "Nahida (I know she didn't say Nahida) IS the youngest", and she's not. She has lived for 500 years, while Mavuika stopped living in her 20s and came back to life, so she continued to live, 500 years later, so she's still in her 20s. Yeah, the Wayob sound like that. They ate the "home of the ancestors' souls", so they are the will of those ancestors, reason why I think the 6 Wayob are chaac and his companions, and their names are those 6 specific Ancient Names that have been passed on from generation to generation, even though not through bloodline but through aptitude. I have a bad feeling about the Lil' Buddy... I didn't want to say it in the video, but the heroes have always appeared when a dragon was about to destroy Natlan, so the Sage in Hanan Pacha, the flamelord and Xbalanque (who probably had companions that haven't been mentioned yet), the Scarlet-eyed youth and the sage again. The Archon War probably never happened, but there could have been a dragon there as well, and the same may apply to the cataclysm (there is the Volcano Lord from the story) and probably the present. I mean, were supposed to "liberate them all", we were told that when we first arrived in Natlan.... Is Lil buddy going to become the new dragon (you know, like mini Durin from Simulanka), but he's not going to be an enemy for the first time? Hopefully.... I think it's way easier than that. In 5.0 we completed Metzli and (soon) Huitzlan. In 5.1 we will visit the masters of the night wind and the flower feather clan, but we also know that there's Xilonen and Ifa, so we will probably compete the Nanatzcayan and Flower Feather clan chronicles. In 5.2 there will be the collective of plenty and we're probably getting Iansan and Ororon, so we will complete the Masters of the night wind chronicles (that would have began in 5.1, so the first and second act) and have all three acts from the collective of plenty. Once we got all those drops, we will be able to unlock the Pyro traveler (so I was probably right that 5.2 exists for us to unlock the element) that will be essential in 5.3 to complete the Archon quest.
@@bisayafascist5725 warning: leaks are NOT permitted on this channel. The only way you can write about them, is to clearly state that you are about to talk about leaks, then, as you did, leave a few empty spaces and then write, so that people know that, by reading the rest of the comments, the would be exposed to leaks. I didn't want to know what you wrote, but you never said that they were leaks. Besides, Chasca was Cryo in Ignition and became Anemo in basically 2 weeks, so I wouldn't be sure of what the beta is showing, they can chance everything last minute
XD yeah I know. I did post in the community tab to get as many people to see that it changed before the video came out, and also because I couldn't be sure whether the name was available or not before changing it... well, actually, I didn't think I could know, but turns out it does say it...
@@amouramarie thank you!!! I'm happy you liked it! It's hard to make these kinds of videos, because I'm doing it all by myself with two accounts, one on the PC and one on the tablet, but the result is really nice XD
For the statues I have heard theories that they take the form of the last archon that would exist in the nation. As Fontaines has longer hair like focalors and Mavuika also supports this theory since kachina says it’s probably a coincidence but I’m sure someone would of found it strange over the years that the statue didn’t match the archon but now it does
@@hazelmaple (I don't know if there are going to be two identical replies) it would be an interesting theory, but if you remember about it, the cataclysm is something that the fate of the world can't predict because it's based on a power that doesn't exist in Teyvat. Nabu Malikata was able to predict that there would have been a massive dangerous problem, but she couldn't see what would have happened because of it. As a consequence, Fate shouldn't have been able to know that the Archons would have died and that new ones would have come, so it wouldn't have known what they looked like. When it comes to Natlan, I still think Xbalanque wasn't the Archon during the Archon War, so there wouldn't have been any statue when he ascended, they appeared after the Archon War, probably because they are needed for the visions that also appeared after the war. So, I think I'll hold on to the theory that the Pyro Archon during the Archon War looked like Mavuika, so the statue resembles her, and she stayed in the Sacred Flame for not too long, so her appearance was shared with the next special Archon in line, Mavuika, at least until we figure out who Mavuika really is and how these special Archons work
All i care about is finding another entry/volume of Before Sun and Moon, this book is more heavily protected than Genshin's source code at this point. On another note, maybe burning Irminsul will only get rid of the memories that the Primordial One manufactured. Lastly i can see Ororon sacrificing himself to safeguard Capitano's life, that or either to help him retrieve his ancient name, Ororon might even know his real identity. Glad you're still doing these videos, you're one of a kind.
@@lexical450 having another Before Sun and Moon book would be great, but then it would mean that Khaenri'ah would have obsessed over one specific book when there were more of them. Irminsul already doesn't have memories about the Primordial One, I think they have already been deleted by the Second who came, reason why the only ones who knew about him are the people of Enkanomiya (who are not connected to Irminsul) and Nabu Malikata (who was forcefully disconnected from Irminsul). I don't think Ororon is going to sacrifice himself for Capitano, if anything the opposite may be true. If Capitano is Tenoch, he would know that Ororon is a necessary part of the plan to save Natlan, so his death would go against his own plan. I'm always going to do these videos, so don't worry about it! XD
I love the fact that you show the sources of information in the video alongside the quoted parts. The staging you did with the characters was also a lot of fun, made watching this much more interesting. Great video.
@@catdownthestreet the on-screen text is a main feature of this channel, I always give my viewers the ability to pause the video and read what I used to come up with the theory, mainly because I'm not here to convince people that I'm right (because, as I say in the disclaimer, I could be completely wrong), but to share my ideas and discuss them with the viewers. If they had to look things up on their own, it would make it impossible for people to understand why I'm saying something, unless they somehow memorized every piece or scrap paper in the entire nation! The staging is always fun to see, the results are entertaining and I think it helps because they show what I'm saying. It makes things easier to follow along, also because I give specific roles to specific characters, so a viewer who saw Kaeya in this video, knows it's the craftsman for example. Making it though, that was tough! XD Anyway, thank you!!!! I'm happy you like the video!!!!
Great upload! As far as algorithm, this actually showed up in my feed. Your stuff hasn’t for a while before the change. Hopefully more people will find the channel! Cheers🎉
@@mikebiddle4070 thank you, I'm happy you liked it!!! So my videos didn't appear in the feed before? Huh... That's interesting, I'm learning a lot about my channel before the change, like I didn't even know people searched for ShadowX to find my channel. Well, the algorithm will settle down sooner or later, so we can just wait and see! XD
Yooo finally change the name I'm glad that you keep the wolf logo tho great video also love the new intro. 8:11 isnt ronova based on ronove so it must be shade of death then I thought its pretty obivious because the ancient name carved on obsidian feather and shade of death in artifact represented by plume of death
@@sunglassfrog89 yeah, I think it was about time to change the name, and Natlan, the nation I've been obsessing over for 2 years, was the best moment to do it! The wolf will never go away, that's actually my first tattoo I have on my shoulder, so that literally represents me XD Ronove is a demon from the Ars Goetia, yes, but the thing is that, most likely, what you call the shad eof death is what I call the shade of Fate, simply because the Fates in Greek Mythology decide a person's birth, life span and death. I simply call her differently because, after Simulanka, it is clear to me that she's also the shade that decided people's destinies, what they're going to do, what's going to happen to them, and as a consequence, when they'll die as well
@@ShadowXImpact btw great video! I love how you make a timeline it must be taken a lot of effort ussualy when it comes to games like genshin where the lore scattered all over thinking about timeline is most thing I avoided lol Also what did you think about the archon quest act 1 & 2? Most people I know dont like it that much but I think because natlan act 1 & 2 its very action shonen anime like and what item did u think that we got at the end of the quest because its specified as a weekly boss material I thought its kinda weird 🤔
@@sunglassfrog89 thank you!!! On my notes on the tablet, there are basically 4 pages only about the timeline because I couldn't figure it out at first, so I kept going over it to try and make sense of it XD I honestly liked this Archon Quest, it was definitely different so I embraced the changes. As for the drop, it's clearly something we will be able to get later, when we get the actually boss, and it feels like it's going to be a very important boss, especially when it comes to the foundation of Teyvat!
God damn i cant believe i never seen your channel (i follow literally all other lore channels) and this was an amazing video with a lot of detail I’ve heard for the first time ❤
@@MrManafon I'm happy you liked it!!! I just changed the name of the channel, the old one was hard for people to remember and the algorithm literally hated it, so that's probably why you've never found my channel XD
@@aayanchiron9770 I don't play Wuthering Waves, but that woman looks like they didn't even try that hard to hide the copy paste of Black Swan, but with Egeria's hair color....
I was confused whose channel was this at first then it dawned on me. ngl. I'm very impressed with the new look. know that your efforts are appreciated! of the many genshin theorists out there, it's you and Ashikai I always go to. Here's to your channel growing further! cheers mate!
@@angelogabriel7169 yeah, it really is hard to notify people about a name change. I've been posting in the community tab since 8 hours before the video dropped, making sure that the first thing people read was the old name of the channel, and I also left the old logo and banner for those 8 hours with just the new name changed, so that people would see something familiar and associated it to the new name. I think it's going to take a little bit of time and a few more community tab posts in different times of the day to notify the majority of the subscribers, but it's okay XD And thank you for your kind words! I'm happy my videos are to your liking!!!! XD
@@angelogabriel7169 to be honest, everytime I open up youtube and see the new logo, even though I made it myself, I still think "what's that logo?", so I'm also in the process of figuring out that my channel has undergone a few changes XD
@@ShadowXImpact that's so true. I always depended on recognizing the logo and the specific color palette. Once I do, I go "Yep. That's shadow dropping a new vid." I re watch your videos anyways so I'll get used to it eventually. Those artworks looks fire btw!
@@angelogabriel7169 yeah, plus it's still "ShadowX" like before and in the logo I added the 5452 and the Wolf tattoo, hoping people would recognize them. And thank you!!!! I'm really happy you liked the drawings!!! XD
@@rafaelbotas4238 and yet, there's no one who has ever said that the statue in Natlan kept changing until the Cataclysm. Besides, of all the things Celestia could think about, would they really care about transforming a statue every time a new Archon has been made?
Natlans lore so confusing i had to watch the video twice to get it fully lol. Thank you so much for this! I have a question though, its always been believed that the shades are Life Death Time and Void (plus Reason for the PO), who would be the Shade of Fate in this case? Amazing video as always!
@@daten9075 watching it twice.... A 43min video.... My viewers really like long videos, it seems! XD So, I think that what the people define as the Shade of Death is what I call the Shade of Fate, which is what I explained back in my Simulanka video. The thing is simple: fate decides everything a person will do and experience since birth, throughout their lives, but also their death, so it still falls onto her (them? Considering it's three entities as one) to rule over people's deaths
Regarding Nahida being the youngest Archon, if it's true that all Archons of Natlan share the same Ancient Name, maybe that essentially means that they ARE the same person, at least to Ganyu/Celestia/the Archon system? The same soul, basically being reborn in different bodies. Orrrr.... maybe Xbalanque is still considered the "real" Pyro Archon, since he's not _quite_ dead, just hanging out in the Sacred Flame?
@@amouramarie as I said in the video, I doubt that every pyro Archon shares the same Ancient Name, because they have to win the tournament to become one and people can't participate if they don't have one. If the Ancient Name was always the same, the moment the Wayob gave it to a person, the people would have recognized it and made them the Archon without having to win the Pilgrimage. As for every Archon to be the same person, unless the Archons are all aware of it, Ganyu can't possibly know something the Archons themselves don't. Considering that Ganyu said that every Archon except for Rex Lapis and Barbatos changed, she shouldn't be considering Xbalanque as the Pyro Archon, otherwise he would have been counted with the two original ones. It's really tricky, and the fact that Dawei said that they rethought Natlan all over to make it better after being attacked by the players, makes me think that what we're seeing now as Natlan is way different from what he envisioned 3 years ago when Ganyu said what she said...
38:52 are you sure that’s cryo? the colors of the two elements can easily look very similar especially with that lighting, so there’s no way we can confirm it was supposed to be cryo unless it was data-mined or leaked.
@@captaindanger13 I'm pretty sure it's cryo, because the color is not deep enough to be hydro, but also not green enough to be teal like anemo. Although anemo and cryo are very similar, the colors are actually completely different and belong to two different spectra. I might be wrong, but it really looks like cryo to me, not anemo
Just a weird thought but, what if Mavuika sacrifices herself and the ancient name she's gonna forge us is the Xbalanque's name and she's gonna let us inherit the Archons power. What if when we get pyro element, we get the whole Archon skadooz? Crazy right? Traveller might even be actually OP
@@AkiMikado but then how would we explain us leaving Natlan to go to Snezhnaya? And how would Hoyoverse explain that in 5.3 (I guess at this point), they won't get the playable Mavuika? If she sacrifices herself to power up the heroes, she can come back to life, but if she dies so that we became the Archon, then she wouldn't come back to life anymore, and that can't happen
@@readonlymemories I really needed to say it again, I guess that stating this in the Simulanka video wasn't enough. What you call the Shade of Death is what I can the Shade of Fate, simply because death is just 1/3 of what fate is. Fate is birth, life span and death
So there are some things I disagree with. I don't think och kan and the sage of the stolen flame are the same person because the sage is a full dragon while och kan was described as half human also there is no shade of fate (the shade of fate is probably the primordial one)in the four shades so I think ronova is the shade of death due to the description of ronovè in the ars goetia as he is a taker of old souls and I also believe the archon era was also the same era of the pyro dragon
@@faizaholajide6913 well, no, the Sage is not a full dragon, he is defined as a "human" since the beginning, so he looked like a dragon, but then he managed to acquire a human appearance when he left the kingdom of the vishaps. Think about it, the savages were scared to death by the dragons, but they accepted Waxaklahun no problem, which would have been impossible if he looked like a dragon. Plus, he created the first tribe on Hanan Pacha (well, he gathered the people who then became the first tribe) and he took over Natlan when Xbalanque entered the Sacred Flame, which is the same exact description we have of the Python King, who looks like a human at the beginning, and slowly starts turning back into a dragon, and in the end looks like a half human half dragon figure. I now realize that I should have explained it in this video as well, because not many people have watched or remember about my Simulanka video, but what I define the Shade of Fate, is what you call the Shade of Death. Fate means birth, life and death of a person, and the Fates in Greek Mythology decided those things, one was in charge of a person's death, one of their life span, and one of their death, and the shade of Fate in Simulanka was represented by three identical statues but is considered as just one person, exactly like the Moirai, the Fates, but also Hecate
Mavuika is one true archon recognize by the throne for pass 500 years. other are become archon in name only borrow power from gnosis (you don't have to be archon to use gnosis) or ronova whatever. remember throne of archon and gnosis is entirely different thing.
@@PGM991 but there's no proof for that. Actually, it makes little sense because the people know exactly what an Archon is able to do, their powers are more than evident in their hair turning into flames and the knowledge of the past being passed down to them. The Archons have to ignite their inner flames to become Archons, which is what the predecessors and successors of Mavuika had to do in order to be recognized, so they became true Archons. We talk about the gnosis with such ease, but are we sure Mavuika even really has it? Just because she's the Archon, doesn't mean she has to have or use it. Ei and Furina didn't have it nor did they use it at all...
@@ShadowXImpact either pyro archon keep changing but not recognize by the throne set by celestia (statue doesn't change) or there real archon hiding in the flame lol we don't know how the pyro throne set by celestia work. we only heard from people of Natlan themselves which can be misinterpreted from misinformation forge by vayob or whoever lurking in shadow. all we can do is speculate wait and see :D
@@PGM991 Mavuika literally told us that Xbalanque set some specific rules to let normal humans ascend to archonhood. That's not hearsay from NPCs, that's straight from the source. But yeah, we'll see as the story progresses
@@ShadowXImpact I've read that part in story and it tickling my mind. he set the rules? impossible, only celestial can set archon rules. so... is archon from rules of xubalanqe a real archon? or it's just make believe?🤔 i... smell... conspiracy 😆
@@PGM991 I think you're just seeing too much into it. Xbalanque was recognized by the Night Kingdom and he, most likely, acquired the powers of the Pyro Dragon, which is what allowed him to be resurrected, the first man to be resurrected specifically. He also borrowed the powers from the Heavens, so I don't see why it would be "impossible" for him to set those rules. We have Mavuika now, and we can clearly see that she has Archon powers, so those rules actually exist. It's a fantasy game, "impossible" is not really a thing here, especially if it can be explained through the laws of Teyvat. We've known since the beginning that humans can become Archons, Venti told us about it, so it's definitely not impossible
@@marcusbullock2753 I think Natlan is slowly introducing both Khaenri'ah and the floating island of Celestia (which, by the way, I don't think it's the ineffable city for multiple and obvious reasons). It's been since Simulanka that they're hinting at Celestia being a thing coming up really soon
hey, I like your theory a lot, there is just one thing that confused me. About the archon status, I understand your statement except about the hydro one. Because there was a mural in Fontaine that show Egeria and her bang look pretty different from focalors and the hydro archon status, or maybe it was just me misremembered thing. And I don't think is it stated anywhere that Egeria and Focalors look a like. Furina is already a “clone” of Focalors i don't see Focalors to be one of Egeria too. Since it seems that every archon until now except Zhongli is like a copy or look a lot like another archon previous or not?
@@Vill-Moon yes, Egeria has different bangs in that mural, but we're also talking about a drawing, not a faithful portrait, plus it would have represented Egeria millenia before the Archon War. Furthermore, the Archons from the various art pieces in the game are usually different from the real person, like Zhongli clearly has patterns on his body, but his statue doesn't have them. He also has a way more hair on his forehead in the old depictions compared to the hairstyle he wears in the statue. Focalors has never been said to be identical or similar to Egeria, but then again, we've never really seen Egeria, so there's also nothing saying whether they looked alike or not. I mean, even in the mural, we can't say that they look different, she doesn't even have a face in the drawing, we just see her bangs. That being said, the Oceanids were created by Egeria, so since she picked Focalors to be her successor before she died and before she was given a body, it could also be that she gave her a body that looked like hers for whatever reason
Xbalanque has to be the Archon during the Archon war tho, because he is the first Pryo Archon and Archon as a title/position didn't even exist before the Archon war
@@motemo8413 I have a video (I think I showed the thumbnail in this video) in which I went through the fact that the seven from the Archon War may actually not be the first seven Archons. The main proof I brought to the table, but in a tldr way, are: Decarabian was the Anemo Archon and had a divine throne, and it's not a mistranslation; Ganyu talks about the "first iteration of the seven", and an iteration, contrary to what people think it means, is a new and improved version of something that already existed; Egeria turned the Oceanids into people but "as one of the seven" she didn't have enough authority or power to make them actually humans, and the Oceanids became people way before Remuria was founded. We all think that the concept of "Archon" is something that appeared when the Archon War happened, but we actually have no tangible proof of that, nothing in the game specifically says "the concept of Archons appeared for the first time after the Archon War". Of anything, the game says the complete opposite, it talks about Decarabian and Egeria as we said before, Deshret also was said to hold the authority over Sumeru. The one thing that appeared for sure for the first time in the Archon War, were the gnoses, not the Archons. Plus, the Archon War saw the gods fighting each other, and yet it's not called the Gods War, but the Archon War, as if it was meant to leave just the Archons and get rid of the other gods, the fragments of the authorities of the dragons that devoured each other, and coincidentally, the last remaining gods were those who specifically embodied the most perfect concept of the element they represent, not a variation of it, like Havria's salt for example. Anyway, if you want a full explanation of what I just said, I would recommend you watch my previous video "The First Ancient Archons of Teyvat"
@@ShadowXImpact this can't be true. first of all Decarabian thing IS a mistranslation, he was never an Archon. second of all this entire game states that Zhongli is the very first person to obtain title and position of an Archon(it is even said in his character stories) and he only did that at the end of Archon war in Liyue. this means that Archon position couldn't have existed before then. Venti is also called as one of the original Archons and Seven, he can't have been the original then if there was anyone before him. from what we know, there was no Archon war in Sumeru because Deshret,Nabu and Rukkhadevata ruled the land without any other gods daring to oppose them so they just handed it to Deshret by default, but he gave it to Rukkhadevata
@@motemo8413 well, unless you're part of the team of writers behind Genshin Impact, you cannot state that it's a mistranslation, so your "IS" in capital letter is just you pretending to know what you don't. Zhongli has never been said to be the first ever Archon in his character stories, he is the eldest of the seven, which doesn't mean the first ever. It means that, among the seven Archons who won the Archon War, he is the eldest, nothing more. Just because Zhongli became the Archon after the Archon War, doesn't mean that there can't have been another before him. Is like saying that someone became the president after the election, should automatically mean that there haven't been presidents before, it makes no sense. Venti is one of the original Archons from the Archon War, there hasn't been a single time in which it was said "he was the first ever Archon of Mondstadt", plus you're conveniently avoiding Decarabian's ancient divine seat crumbling when he was defeated, but let me guess, that's another convenient mistranslation right? Well, I don't exclude things to make them fit my narratives, using whatever excuse I can find in order to be right no matter what. If you want to use the information the game provides to prove a point, you have to use everything the game provides, not just what is useful for what you're trying to tell, and you have to be ready to give up on certainties and accept other possibilities, even if they might sound uncomfortable (even though, why would it be so bad if there were Archons before the seven from the Archon War? It's not like the game would change anyway). I can see you skipped Egeria being one of the seven when she gave her Oceanids human bodies, I suppose for the same convenience as before, because you can't find a way around that, now can you? Same goes for the actual meaning of iteration, I guess. Deshret, Rukkhadevata and Nabu Malikata ruled the land together, and yet Deshret was the one who took Mos to the decisions, and just because there were other gods, it doesn't mean that an Archon couldn't have existed. Didn't Inazuma have both Makoto, the Archon, and Ei, a God, at the same time after the Archon War? Plus, Deshret gave up on the chance to receive the gift of a Gnosis, meaning he didn't care about participating in the Archon War, and then he died to save his people, leaving Rukkhadevata the only God in Sumeru that could have become the Archon, there was no choice whatsoever. But I can safely assume you will never allow yourself to give this a chance, because it would mean giving up on a certainty, but I'm not like that. The game has already been telling us a lot of things that were previously unthinkable and unacceptable, so I can't see why this can't be the same.
@@ShadowXImpact Zhongli character story 5: "Rex Lapis, most ancient of The Seven, has lived far too long. Rex Lapis still remembers that moment when the final archon took their divine seat, thus ending the Archon War and the era of warring gods. The Seven were a diverse lot and dispersed far and wide, but they all shouldered the burden of guiding humanity. As time passed, many of The Seven's titles changed hands, and only two remain of the first Seven: Rex Lapis and the Anemo Archon." Someone can not be called "one of the first seven" or one of the "original seven" if the there have been some other iteration of Seven before them. that's not how word "first" and "original" work, their entire meaning entails that there can't be anything before them. also you just elaborated on about what i said about Deshret, not sure how anything u said about him supports your theory. I didn't mention Egeria because it makes no sense. i am not sure where it says that she was an Archon WHEN she turned Oceanids into humans but even if it says that somewhere then devs made a mistake because devs also said that Egeria became an Archon AFTER Remuria fell. Egeria was punished for her sin with the prophecy and imprisoned before Remus even formed Remuria so it's impossible for her to have been one of the Seven Archons when she did that, because she only became an Archon after Remuria fell. see how timeline becomes bullshit? also u don't need to be part of the writer team to know that it was a mistranslation, u just need to know Chinese, and in Chinese text it never says that Decarabian was an Archon, that's EN only. in Chinese it only says that Decarabian was a god.
@@motemo8413 yes, just like Ganyu called them the FIRST "iteration" of the seven, so the first seven from the Archon War. It's like saying the first government after the war, still doesn't necessarily and unequivocally "the first ever government to have existed". The character story, just like Ganyu, is speaking since the Archon War forward, not throughout the entire history of Teyvat. Well, if you don't see how Deshret can be an Archon with other living gods in the nation, even though Makoto was an Archon with another living God in the nation, it's most likely because you probably don't want to see it... You didn't mention Egeria, you don't even know when it was said (it was Neuvillette during the Archon quest, not even something written), and yet, you have the audacity to say that the devs made a mistake, the same devs that are creating the game, rather than you not seeing things the way they are... I mean, that's the most absurd thing one can ever say, your basically putting yourself above those who created the story, do you even realize that? You're twisting the facts to fit your narrative to the point that, if there's something that doesn't work for you, it's a mistake the writers made... Egeria was one of the seven before Remuria, when she turned the people Oceanids into people, she was punished, Remuria happened, Remuria fell, Remus died, Egeria was released and she resumed her position as Archon, as one of the seven in the first ITERATION of the seven that was instituted after the Archon War. Then again, you're ignoring the term iteration... Oh, you need to know Chinese? Then Venti is not an Archon, because he is defined with the SAME EXACT term as Decarabian, both in Chinese and in every single other language the game was translated into. Again, I made a video about it, I checked every language, found the exact word used for Decarabian, compared with how Venti is defined as the Anemo Archon and also to how the other Archons are defined in the other languages. Maybe you should first check people's work before stating something that is clearly wrong. I am beyond thorough when I do something, I don't go around making bold statements without even knowing what the facts are, like you know, not even knowing about Egeria and still claiming it to be wrong for example. You can clearly think whatever you want, I'm not trying to convince you in any way, my goal is not convincing people, otherwise I would make my theories sound like true facts instead of clearly stating they can be either right or wrong despite using what the game is telling us, but I won't accept people claiming to know more than the writers, that's just wrong
And "if" capitano become playable that means we have our first npc to get playable character treatment. Them find an excuse to update their design. I am speaking as a copuium theorist.
@@ShadowXImpact I like that at the end Zhongli and Bianka are together because their birthdays are right next to each other. December 31st and January 1st. It’s also funny to see Siegfried with Ei and Acheron, two copies of Kiana’s girlfriend.
@@gyannunez okay, I definitely didn't do that on purpose, I had no idea about Bianka's birthday, it hasn't come up yet since I started playing the game, but I don't know, it looked funny to have them so close when I was picking the positions of the characters. Same goes for Siegfried, I didn't think about Mei being Kiana's love interest! I guess things just ended up being fitting without even thinking about them XD
Hmm. Oddly enough I think I disagree with almost everything in the video. Hmm. A lot of it is probably not important to go over but I'm surprised there's so little agreement. By the way I don't think you got a hit on the name of the Pyro Archon (or anything else about Natlan). The name "Haborym" is of "Aim" or "Aym" and not "Amy". Mavuika is 500 years old and the current Pyro Archon, so the Archon when Ganyu made her comment about Nahida being the youngest. I assume the Statues of Seven simply depict the Archons of the current day and always have. I doubt Capitano is Tenoch since Mavuika appears to speak to the dead Tenoch's spirit. Also she'd recognize him, and he, her. Pyro Archon can't die as she'll be a playable character. Memories don't go to Irminsul upon death, but all the time they are alive, and no new people are made from the memories. Natlan has Ley Lines - it has Ley Line blooms the same as all nations and their patterns of shifting are no different from the other nations. the PO is the not one who fell - could be a Seelie reference - divine envoy means an envoy from "the divine" not the divine itself I think that Nibelung is the Pyro Sovereign. Why else depict the mural of Nibelung falling from heaven and the mural of the Pyro Archon killed by Xbalanque in parallel? It's weird the way you want to give so many identities to the Sage. Like you say he's the dragon Chaac kills despite this happening long before Xbalanque is born. Even if you think Chaac doesn't kill any dragon, why would you call the Sage "wicked"? And why would Chaac kill his benefactor? Then you later say the Sage becomes the Sacred Lord who is a human? And a bad guy? How does any of this make sense? The Sage is the opposite of the Sacred Lord. One a dragon who favours dragon-human co-operation and is said to be wise, the other a human who is against human-dragon co-operation and is crazy and bad. There's no basis for all the "Shade of Fate" stuff. That is a term never mentioned in the game. And when the envoy falls there's no Night Kingdom to fall into since the first Wayob is after Chaac dies. Also the Heavenly principles are in the Firmament City not underground, and "Ronova" is also a word for heavens, not under ground. The tribes are founded in Chaac's time. So that blows away the theory that the twins come from different tribes. Besides which with Tenoch the group of heroes 500 years ago was 7 and not 6 so there's no linkage. Yeah nobody's going to like the idea of seven other Archons ages ago that nobody including Zhongli can remember. Especially as there'd have to have been a long line of human Archons since then in Natlan so in what world does nobody know about that? Also are you saying Natlan has had Visions since before the nails dropped? Did none of the hypothetical early Archons have gnoses? And as usual there were no Envoys in the Envoy Age. For example when Sal Vindagnyr falls the priest/king has no envoy to ask about the Nail. Bunch of smaller stuff skipped for space. Well it's interesting to see how little agreement there is over the new Natlan history stuff. Perhaps we'll be told more about it as 5.x goes forward.
@@davidjohnson8273 It's odd that we disagree? I think that about what has been happening every time I uploaded a video, so I'm not surprised at all. For Amy, the page I found said that Haborym is also called Amy, but since I'm obviously not an expert in Demonology, I'll investigate further. Still, she's not Phoenix as everybody was sure of. Mavuika is not 500 years old. She paused her life, so she didn't "live" those 500 years, she wasn't alive, she was basically dead, hence the "second life" she's living now. It's your assumption without a reasonable explanation, so there's nothing to comment on Mavuika saw her own memories, she didn't meet the dead Tenoch. Pyro Archon can die, because this is a land where people can be resurrected. Memories go back to Irminsul, we've been told that so many times, it baffles me how you just can't accept it after 4 years of them repeating it over and over Natlan doesn't have leyline, or better yet, they are extremely weak, so weak that it's like they're not there. Just because there's a game mechanics in Natlan, doesn't really mean much, but still, we were literally told by the Archon herself that the Night Kingdom exists to substitute the absent leyline. If you don't believe what even she says, there little to comment on It's a dispossessed divine Envoy, not a regular divine Envoy. It could be anyone, so you don't really have anything that says that I'm 100% wrong, it's just your assumption against mine The Pyro dragon is not Nibelung. Xbalanque said, after he defeated the sovereign, that Natlan will face a major destruction event that not even the dragon king will be able to help them fight against, so Nibelung is a whole different entity I explained the Sage in great detail in the video and I brought tangible proof that he is both the "human" at the beginning of the lore, that he was imprisoned (not killed), that Xbalanque released him and he started to use the mask to hide his draconic appearance, that he was corrupted and that he slowly turned back into his original dragon for, becoming a half human half dragon being. What is bad, is how you just ignore the lore. What you said about the night kingdom is purely wrong. The shade created the Night Kingdom, and when Chaac appeared, he RECONNECTED the night kingdom to Natlan, so the Wayob came to life. The Wayob is not the night kingdom, is an entity that was born in it. Ronova (Ronove) is a demon of the Ars Goetia. Just because the shade barely survived back then, doesn't mean that she has to still be on the verge of death millennia later. The tribes were NOT founded in Chaac's time, only the first tribe. You should really read everything in the game before commenting, I spent a whole day adding the on-screen text for a reason. I said that there are at least 6 heroes, one from each tribe. Tenoch doesn't belong to any tribe, so... No, no one of the ancient Archons had gnoses for two reasons: the gnoses were created during the Archon War, and an Archon doesn't need a gnosis to rule over the nation, as you can clearly see in Mondstadt, Liyue, Inazuma, and Sumeru, since they all don't have a gnosis anymore and they're still Archons. Just because no one likes it, doesn't mean that it shouldn't be said to conform to what the people would want to hear. No one wanted to hear that the Pyro Archon could have been a human two years ago, you included back then, and I proved you all wrong, so maybe I'm not an idiot that spouts bs out of nowhere just because. As usual, you don't even try to listen to what I say, you just hear words that you automatically ignore. I've ALWAYS said the the Envoy Age ENDED with the descent of the nails, so yes, after the nails, there were no envoys left, it's what I've always said. We can be told whatever in 5.x, the problem is what you will decide it means, which in 99% of the time, the exact opposite of what it means, and if it's too difficult to deny, then it's a red herring like the entirety of Simulanka that, guess what, it literally spoke about Natlan just the way I deduced it would have...
@@ShadowXImpact Yeah the closed captions (subtitles) and the text you quote on screen show up in the same space on the video (at the bottom) and the captions float over the other text. You might be right about Ganyu though not because of what you said. Normally the age of something is equal to the present date minus the date of birth which is 500 for Mauvika therefore she is 500 years old. However Ganyu probably means how long each Archon has been Archon rather than how old they are. There's still a case for her being correct by the same logic but in the case of being Archon if a dozen other people were Archon in between now and 500 years ago it seems like she'd lose seniority. Or even if she maintained seniority she'd only get credit for the sum of the two periods of time she worked as Archon and not the full span of time. Of course we don't know if Ganyu or for that matter Zhongli knows about the Pyro Archon in recent times since they stopped meeting in Liyue 500 years ago. Perhaps her knowledge is based on the last time they all got together. Oddly we seem to be both taking both positions on the memory thing. I said memories go into Irminsul when you're alive, not when you die. We can see that from how Nahida says it's surprising but Traveler has no records in Irminsul. But if memories were only passed to Irminsul upon death there'd be no difference between Traveler having no records there and any native of Teyvat. So it's clear that memories are continuously transferred. On the other hand when it comes to Mavuika and Tenoch's little chat you insist it's just memories and he isn't dead yet. While I agree that his memories are transferred to Irminsul while alive, the fact is we've never seen a "memory ghost" of anyone who's still alive except for a small number of odd exceptions. Let me see. The little girl memory ghost in the Chasm who turns out to be a memory ghost of a young woman who's alive and well in Liyue Harbor. Is the exception due to the presence of Abyssal energy? or the Nail? Hmm. Well now I can't think of another exception. Perhaps that's the only one. But in the case of Mavuika all the other people she talks to are dead. It's certainly not just her memories. So we're not told Natlan has no Ley Lines. Mavuila says, "Unlike the other nations, Natlan never had stable and deep-rooted Ley Lines, so we suffered the worst of the invasion." I'm not sure about "never had" since presumably it dates from the Irminsul in Natlan being burned down by Nibelung during the war with the 2nd Who Came. But that is a long time ago and essentially "since recorded history began" because of the loss of history of times before that war, during the brief period of barbarism after the war and the fall of the Seelie (envoys) and before the arrival of the gods. No Ley Lines is quite different from weak Ley Lines in as much as presumably the former allows for new Ley Lines to be created and the latter does not. But I could see them ignoring the difference too. Can't say for sure. Presumably the whole memories thing is the aspect where the Night Kingdom subs for the Ley Lines, which makes it unknown if the Night Kingdom also has most of Natlan's elemental energy running through it.
@@ShadowXImpact An envoy is an envoy from some specific person, in this case that person is the Primordial One. So the PO can't be any sort of envoy from themselves. You'd have to hypothesize and entire upper layer of godhood that sent the PO as an envoy and isn't ever referenced in the game elsewhere. Envoy as a word consistently stands in for the Seelies so far. I could see you trying to stretch it to mean a Shade but they've never been referred to that way so far either. "The Pyro dragon is not Nibelung. Xbalanque said, after he defeated the sovereign, that Natlan will face a major destruction event that not even the dragon king will be able to help them fight against, so Nibelung is a whole different entity" Xbalanque doesn't really say anything and he's long dead. So what are you referring to? The only quote we have is the Neuvillette into but that doesn't mention anything about a dragon king. At any rate do you think the first mural depicts Nibelung and the second depicts the Pyro Sovereign? And if you think the Pyro Sovereign wasn't Nibelung where does it get it's FK from seeing as Apep couldn't find any? Well the reason I ignore your so-called evidence that the Sage is the Sacred Lore is because the text describes them entirely differently. Different species. Different personality. Different ideology / goals. One is crazy / wicked the other is the wise benefactor. They have nothing in common. You claim that Chaac got the secret of fire from the Sage and then turned right around and killed him because he instantly became crazy. "Having mastered the majestic primal fire, fearless Chaac and his companions at last defeated that raging, wicked dragon". It's like you want to assume every dragon mentioned is the same dragon. There's nothing about Chaac RECONNECTING to any pre-existing Night Kingdom, nor of any Shade, or anything, else creating it. In effect it doesn't exist before the birth of the first Wayob after Chaac's death. You're just speculating without basis. "The tribes were NOT founded in Chaac's time, only the first tribe" What would lead you to believe they are founded at different times? You're the one saying heroic teams come in sixes throughout Natlan's history and yet when it comes to Chaac's companions you just say naaah they can't be from the other tribes like every other iteration because only one tribe existed back then, because I say so. "I've ALWAYS said the the Envoy Age ENDED with the descent of the nails" So what happens to Sal Vindagnyr's Seelie then? It never had one. If it had one why isn't it's sudden disappearance when the Nail falls, mentioned?
@@CarlosAnglada what do you mean I pushed myself too hard to complete it? Though, thanks, I'm happy you liked it!!! But seriously, I don't know what you meant by that
@@ShadowXImpact , I was under the impression you were struggling with spasms and back pain while completing this. I could be mistaken. About “what could happen to people when cut off from Irminsul,” I feel we get a hint during the Vision Hunt Decree, when people are stripped of their visions
@@CarlosAnglada I am actually still in pain, it hasn't gone away yet and it's probably because we literally went from summer to winter in less than an hour, exactly when I released this video, by the way.... As for Irminsul burning, I think there's a difference between the leylines and the visions. The leylines are about memories, while the visions are about ambitions, so I fear the result of Irminsul burning will be drastically worse
Nonono there is no way Andersdotter was from Natlan. Her name was ANDERSDOTTER for gods sake! That is scandinavian. She is a reference to the danish author Hans Christian Andersson. So she will be either from Mondstadt or Khaenriah. Most likely Khaenriah since she has the same "dotter" as Rhinedotter who was from Khaenriah too. Genshin is somewhat good at using proper names for each region. Not always but they try. You shouldnt equate the looks of the statues with the witches actual looks, they all do look the same after all, but foremost Simulanka is meant to give us foreshadowings for Natlan, not the witches. By the way, Xbalanque is Mavuika. Also, people dont inherit any appearance. Look at Mavuikas portrait, she look like her older self and we definitively know that was before she became the Archon. And "Granny" Citlali was actually wrongly translated. The true word is "Elder". "Elder" is usually for age yes but its also a position of power and younger people can be elders in that sense.
@@Sakuyamon so, it makes sense to you that Andersdotter may be from Khaenri'ah, but somehow she's the only Khaenri'ahn who didn't got cursed and was able to die of old age, but not from Natlan because her last name is Andersdotter despite the tribal designs on the statues, that conveniently need to be ignored even though the statues of the witches look nothing alike, and also despite the little witch (that is Andersdotter) coming from the western most nation of the continent, and that is ignoring how her name is Anya, which is Russian, but you certainly didn't think she might have been from Snezhnaya, and we don't know what her middle name was. But let's also ignore Caribert's name sounding nothing like a Khaenri'ahn name. Also, Simulanka didn't give us foreshadowing about Natlan alone, it's more than clear that it hinted at multiple things, the most obvious one being Durin's revival that has nothing to do with Natlan, even despite him being a dragon. But I'm not here to convince you of anything, so we'll wait and see
Please Shadow, you're distracting me with your Diluc in basketball outfit! I can't understand the lore XDD At the end i don't understand, what element is the saurians of Chasca and Citlali tribes? Anemo and Cryo?
@@Kynokefalos well, I can't do much about Diluc, but I think the Flower Feather Clan is Pyro (I mean, the Qucusaurs are Pyro Saurians) while the Masters of the Night Wind are Anemo, so the Tatankasaurs are anemo Saurians.
@@ShadowXImpact But Chasca is anemo and they're flying riders of the Qucusaurs! And Citlali is cryo :C Also you said to me a time ago that the pyro element is in all tribes and saurians, not in the Flower Feather clan. I think you're right because for an image from the archon quest with the wheel of the 6 tribes, in the center there is the pyro symbol. And the Tatankasaurs are the ones from Iansan tribe XD, the electro tribe. That name screams Tryceratops a lot :P
@@Kynokefalos except for the fsct that Ngobou is Pyro and it's a Qucusaur. I also said that the Saurians' colors represent their element, which is what ranjit told us about, and the Qucusaurs are red. Also, I don't think that each tribe will only have visions of that specific element, it would be really bad and sad if every Geo character was from the Children of the Echoes and so on. For the wheel, the center one represents the Archon, the sun, so it's the Pyro symbol, but it wouldn't make sense if the land of Pyro didn't have Pyro Saurians, don't you think? As for every Saurians having pyro, yes that's still kinda true, except it's not pyro they have, it's Phlogiston, an ancient and primordial form of Pyro, it's different
@@ShadowXImpact Well, you're right, also i know the element of Ororon for a leak. But with Kachina and Xilonen you could see a pattern. Also Ngobou and a normal qucusaur...XDD, thats an ABYSS of difference! Not even Kongamato dared to go that far in his evolution!
@@omivalfilho143 gamer chronicle? I was ShadowX5452 Gaming. I made a post, well two now, in the community tab to help with the transition and the old name is in the logo at the beginning of this video
I'm not ganna lie, i ignored this video like 20 times because i didn't recognise the youtube chanel 💀 Anyways, do you have proof for that Och-Kan = Waxaklahun Ubah Kan thing? cause the world quest clearly showed that Waxaklahun was very much PRO human Saurian coexistance while Och-Kan was the polar oposite.
@@bencegergohocz5988 yeah, I made two posts in the community tab to help with the transition and I chanced the name 8 hours before the video while leaving the old logo so that people would see that something was off and realize I changed the name. I can't do much more that that
Copy pasted from my comment on r/Genshin_Lore: In addition to the in-game texts, what solidified for me that WUK/SotSF and Och-Kan/Sacred Lord/Python King are one and the same was that Waxaklahun Ubah Kan (the War Serpent) is a name for Kukulkan, the serpent deity of Maya mythology, during the Classic Period, and has also been identified as the Postclassic version of the Vision Serpent (a conduit between the physical/spirit realms and life/death) of Classic Maya art. Och-Kan, lord of Kalak'mul, was one named Vision Serpent.
@@ruetherford2911 yeah, this is the one time I didn't rely on mythology to explain something in my video, but as you discovered, even mythology confirms that the sage and the python king are the same "person", although, I mean, the massive mural shows the sage being a serpent dragon humanoid being, so that should have been more than enough, and yet, I noticed there are people who believe they're different beings because of their different approach to humanity, as if someone can't change their minds and as if it wasn't clearly stated the Python King had been corrupted by the Abyss....
@@Tzahr it's ShadowX5452 Gaming. If you go to the community tab, I'll be posting about the changes, reminding people the old channel name for the next week or so
@@Tzahr don't worry about not remembering, it's clear that not many were able to remember the old name at all. It was easy for me because it made sense, those numbers have a meaning to me and basically just another viewer who knew what they were, but for everybody else, that was simply too hard, so it's okay
I’m sorry but I strongly disagree with you on the archon statues the statues of the seven in every description says that it sculpted in the image of so and do archon not first archon or that archon just simply the archon in general with inazumas statue it actually resembles ei more due to her hair having a braid but mokoto had a different hairstyle but if the archon statue changed depending on the person who still holds the title then it would make sense why the current archon statue of inazuma looks like ei because it’s sculpted in the image of her, it sculpted in the image of the electro archon not mokoto but just the ekectro archon in general for nahida i don't really have any concrete evidence for her but for fontaine I'm sorry, but it's quite obvious in the image of folcslors you're saying that the statue has the tall female model, but thats just wrong firstly because if you compare folcalors statue of the seven it’s the same size as ventis or ei’s and yet all of the are bigger then the archons when you compare them another thing is that folcalors hair is the same as the hydro statue of the seven she has split hair in the back just like the statue and furina also has this detail as well not to mention her bangs and front hair are the same but if you see the depiction of the first Hydro archon egeria you can barely clearly see the difference between them for one she has a side hair and bangs similar to that of ei and two the mural also shows furina weeping on her throne and it’s a near perfect description of what she looks like down to the hair and cloths and she’s folcalors human self she’s her physical body but if you compare the look of the hydro statue of the seven it doesn’t look anything like Egeria the hair isn’t similar at all and egeria in the mural is shown to have more boob (wish I didn’t have to resort to that) sure you can just say it’s because of the vale hiding her hair but ventis has a hood and you can still see his braids and ei’s statue also has a headdress as well, and you can still see her distinct hair style being the same as her current appearance mokotos hair is also shown in a cutscene in inazuma to be shorter then ei’s while the statue of the sevens hair is near its feet like ei’s ergo it’s depicted in the image of her because of wait she’s the electro icon she’s the one that holds the title to sum it all up the archon statue of the seven reflect that of the person who is the current one holding the archon seat not the originals appearance because if that was the case then the descriptions of the statues of the seven would say “ formed in an image of the original so and so archon” not “ sculpted in the image of the archon” because it doesn’t specify who it just says the archon which means that it sculpted in the image of who becomes the archon and sure ye the hydro archon throne is destroyed so that would technically mean the statue has to be destroyed but if that’s the case then the geo archons statue shouldn’t be showing any archon at all because zhonglis retired from the title even his own familiar sense that he is no longer the geo archon which means he no longer holds the power of the archon any more so that kind of defeats your theory I’m not really sure why natlans statue of the seven depicts mavuika despite it being that way even before she returned to archon hood but it definitely has something to do about her being the strongest Pyro archon in natlan that even the elders are impressed by her strength also kind of interesting how Dane refers to the Pyro Arcchon mavuika as “the god of war” yet she appears to have a demon name and says she’s a human I’m not exactly sure why dain refers to her as a god But I do have a theory that it’s possible she might be the only pyro archon in natlan to ascend to godhood idk how and why but it seems plausible it feels like hoyo is intentionally trying to make it clear that she is a human yet in the travail they say she’s a god I guess you could say it’s because dains never been to natlan and such and such but I’m not convinced he’s traveled to the seven nations before with our sibling, so he most likely knows that there’s never been a God in natlan and knows that the archons have only ever been human which is why I find it so interesting on why he refers to her as the god of war it just doesn’t make sense to me It could be that he’s saying that she’s a God because she’s one of the seven who are also gods but then again there’s a difference between having God like power and actually being a god the difference of it is one word “divinity” hoyo is going to keep up with the trend of the archons being gods no doubt since the archons whole deal is the fact that they are gods so I wonder if mavuika my ascent to godhood in the end of natlans chapter They’re not being any gods in natlan could have something to do with the land lines or maybe they don’t but idk she’s definitely the strangest of the bunch but once we actually know her lore it’s gonna be easier to understand I mean, I even even had a theory about furina being a false archon and that the true archon was in the oratrice and it turned out right but in a different circumstance Also, for the last two heroes that can help mavuika I think it could be a equal possibility of chasca and ifa being the chosen hero’s for natlan but for the masters of the night went considering that the hero from 500 years ago of the masters of the Nightwind foresaw his death I think it could be a high possibility that Citlali could be one of the chosen hero’s but we do see that she doesn’t really seem like she’s the fighting type or that she wants to be bothered so I guess it could be ororon but we just had to see it kind of depends on whole more important to the story
@@isaiahhaley4816 I will have to reply tomorrow because the post is too long and I literally can't keep my eyes open right now. I was sure that you wouldn't have even considered that theory, it was obviously coming, and I'm clearly not going to try to convince you otherwise, that would be pointless. Anyway, I'll read and reply tomorrow
@@isaiahhaley4816 Yeah, so saying that it resembles the Archon but not specifically the original one, means nothing, because it also doesn't specify the current one, so there you have it, the same "proof" you're using, can be easily used to deny your theory. Ei's hairstyle is also not really useful, because we only saw Makoto once, and she still has the same braid. It's slightly different, but the statue also doesn't look 100% like any of the two gods, it's not a perfectly faithful representation, so that also can't be used as proof. Also Makoto wears a braid, too. And here we are again with Focalors and Furina's hair. The mural doesn't show Egeria's hair, she has a veil, so you don't know her hairstyle beneath it. There is no "clear" difference whatsoever. Even the whole bangs thing is not useful, we're talking about a mural that depicts, morneor less, what Egeria looked like, it's not a portrait. You have no way to actually state so confidently that the statue looks nothing like Egeria because we still don't know what Egeria looks like for real. Let's keep it real. Even with her breast, just because you can barely see some shape on the mural when she's shown on the side, she's skidding on the floor, so even if she had the smallest breast possible, the clothes would have still folded that way. What about venti? He has braids to the front, he doesn't have flowing hair to the back, of course you would see his hair, that doesn't make sense at all. Again, you're repeating what you wrote at the beginning. The description also doesn't say that it depicts the current Archon, so it means nothing. That makes no sense. Zhongli "retired" but he's still the Archon and the throne still exists, so why would his statue disappear? He's neither dead nor is he really not the Archon anymore. It's just the people from Liyue that now believe not to have an Archon anymore. He CLEARLY still has the power of the Archon, what exactly makes you think he lost his powers? So, no, that doesn't defeat my theory at all. Dainsleif calling her the God of War may not be useful anymore. Dawei said that he completely changed everything about Natlan because what they had, wasn't satisfactory anymore, so the older videos may be unreliable right now. She has a demon name, but we, as people of the earth, know that those are demon names from the Ars Goetia, they have been picked to let us know if a god or an entity has a bigger role in the game, but the Ars Goetia doesn't exist in Teyvat, those are simple names that they have. In the reality of Teyvat, those are not demon names. Dainsleif should have been to Natlan with Lumine, they went all over Teyvat. Again, like before, they changed Natlan's lore in the last few months, and that may be the reason why there's no god in Natlan now. It could be that he sees her as a God because she ascended to archonhood, which is a kind of God anyway, that's true, but I still think that the Travail video takes place after the journey ended, so if the writers want to keep Mavuika being a God somehow, then maybe she will become one in some kind of way by the end of the Archon quest. How? I can't foresee what they may come up with in this case, Natlan is too complicated, so they can literally do whatever they want and it would still make sense... As for the last two heroes, we'll have to wait and see. I think I might be right, though, especially about Ororon
@@ShadowXImpact egeria clearly has shown hair in the mural specifically her bangs which are much significantly different than folcalors and yet folcalors has the same bangs as shown in the statue of of the seven I just don’t get why you can’t comprehend the fact that the statues of the seven represent the seven in general it’s supposed show the sevens protection over the world which means that if you’re part of the seven, then the statue will change to depict you because you are the archon and zhongli is not the archon anymore he literally said it himself, even his familiar azdaha said he doesn’t sense he is the geo archon anymore so your just wrong on that part I just don’t understand why for you it’s so hard to believe that the statues depicted the current seven I mean if you really think about it, what would it make for the statues to depict the original? The people can still honor the first archons of teyvat in many other ways so there’s no need for the statues at the seven to depict the original, especially since we already have two original archons that look nothing like the current the first pyro archon was a man yet natlans statue of the seven depicts a women that is mavuika and the game showed the mural of egeria and if you compare her to the statue of the seven, she looks looks nothing like it she has bangs that are very clearly different and a side hair that is seen to be a different hair style I’m not talking about the rest of her back hair. I’m talking about her front hair and it looks nothing like the statue of the seven even the electro statue of the seven shows ei’s front hair at this point i feel like your being so overly delusional of the “the statues reflect the og archon” because genshin has confirmed that two archon don’t look like the current and you still believe in that theory for some reason even if the mural doesn’t have an accurate description of Egeria, we never really got to see what she look like. That was a glimpse of how she looked you can see that she had darker hair then folcalors and different bangs then her that resemble more like ei’s bangs then folcalors at this point your just being delusional I’m not trying to be disrespectful, but like it’s blatantly obvious that the statues of the seven reflect the current archons because they’re the ones that hold the archon title the reason nobody writes abt the statues of the seven changing is because it’s simply nothing to really care about or anything noteworthy to look into especially since for the last 500 years they’ve never changed because the archon gods from their land were already chosen 500 years ago the game is do obviously saying without saying the the statue of the seven reflects the current ruling archon but you just can’t seem to accept it so I would like to say again that that same mural you know the one that you said didn’t make an accurate depiction of egeria made the same depiction of furina and would you look at that? Her hair style is the same as what we see in her official appearance even the same as the statue of the seven in Fontaine Also, I don’t think what dain says is just useless anymore I think it might actually still hold some ground especially since they’ve been coming up with teyvats story since the beginning it’s very likely possible that some of their idea of how to do it might’ve changed but even with all the new changes it still hold some ground to what dain says the travail gives us a glimpse into each nation story not saying too much and not saying too little only saying the most important parts which is why? I still believe mavuika is a little odd I don’t hate the idea of their being multiple pyro archons but if that’s the case then that just destroys everything we’ve known since before natlan There’s a voice line abt venti calling the Pyro Arcon, a wayward war mongering wretch but when we actually get to meet mavuika she’s like the only archon who’s ever actually given us a warm welcome maybe he’s referring to past archons but it wouldn’t make sense for him to be talking about a past archon when it would make more sense to just refer to the current but that’s just me I find it really interesting that natlan doesn’t have any laylines or just has a huge lack of leylines I wonder if mavuika has a plan to bring leylines into natlan to save the nation it’s very likely she’s going to sacrifice herself in order to save the nation but I’m just not sure how their gonna do it
@@isaiahhaley4816 hey, watch your tone. "I just don't get why you can't comprehend the fact that..." go on with that way of speaking as if you held the truth and you can't understand why other people are stupid, and I'm not going to reply anymore. If you hold the truth in the palm of your hand as if you were one of the writers, then how come the statue never changed every single time a new Archon appeared? Why did Kachina find it odd that the statue looks like Mavuika? If it changes every single time, then it would obviously look like her. No, I'm not wrong in the slightest. Zhongli stopped acting like the Archon, he's letting his people do their own thing, but until he dies and a new one is picked (just like Ningguang or Keqing said), he is still the Archon whether he likes it or not. What does it even mean that the people can still honor the original Archon in other ways so the statue can change? It's a statue, why would it change in the first place? Why has no one ever seen it change at all? Especially in Natlan where the Archon change every 70 years give or take! A person who was born when the Archon was 50 year old, would have clearly seen the statue change when a new one appeared, and yet people think it's a coincidence that the statue looks like Mavuika, so it has never changed. I'm not even going to talk about the fact that Xbalanque wasn't the Archon during the Archon War, that would be pointless to discuss with you, really. Again with the mural of Egeria, how many times are you going to talk about it throughout the post? Yes, she has bangs. Is that a portrait of Egeria? If that perfectly depicts her, then she wouldn't have a face, right? Are we ignoring the fact that the mural depicts Egeria millennia BEFORE the Archon War? Are we ignoring the fact that Zhongli has a LOT of hair on his face when he was shown when he retrieved Azhdaha and that he has patterns on his body, while his statue has few hair on the face and has no patterns? So is that not Zhongli on the statue? Okay, I'm not replying anymore. I read and write as I go, but you're not calling me delusional. Who the hell do you think you are? Learn some respect and grow up, only then, when and if you'll ever be able to hold a civil conversation as a mature person, will I reply again. The audacity to insult people to assert one's mind is so immature, not even a small child who doesn't know better, would rely on that to try and be right
awesome! i always made the joke that elden ring lore people have such sophisticated names like thetarnishedarcheologist. and genshin lore ppl are more often named smthn like gamingx26253 but no longer true letsgo :D
@@flutterflutter5500 I wouldn't know about Elden Ring content creators, it's not a game that I play, so I never looked for content about it, but I've never seen a Genshin Impact content creator with that kind of name, except for me! XD
The name of the channel has finally been changed!!!
Also, ignore the handles in the outro, they're wrong, but they'll be fixed in the next video. If you want to check my other social media accounts, head to the description of the video or in the homepage of my channel, the links there are the correct ones.
I'm having problems with Instagram, it just won't open on my phone because I'm a Beta Tester, so apparently there are issues with the new version, so I was able to change only the handle and the picture from my PC, but I can't change the link to my TH-cam channel.
As for X..... well, it's just bad. I can't change the name because I have "tried too many times" the first time I tried, so it's going to be ShadowX5452 Gaming forever, I suppose....
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The staging with the characters in the open world is very funny and creative😅😂. Natlan seems to have the most complex lore among the nations we've ever met. I'm looking forward to the next chapters😆
@@igorrodrigues2532 it is hard to do, especially when I'm supposed to use keyboard, mouse and tablet at the same time, and I would need 2 more arms to do that, but the result is so satisfying!
And yeah, it has the most complex lore we've ever seen in this game, and the fact that there is so much in just the first half of the first update, makes me think that be 5.3, we are going to have so much to learn, it will feel like taking a degree!!! And I'm all for it! XD
@@ShadowXImpactI’d be happy to help you with the staging if you’re in the EU server!
I wouldn't say the most complex, but it's definitely up there! Sumeru and Natlan are equally complex and interesting lore-wise in my opinion
@@catdownthestreet I kinda feel like Sumeru's lore was easier, probably because it was released little by little across the 9 updates and it wasn't even all about Sumeru, at a certain point it became more about Khaenri'ah and the cataclysm. Natlan literally dropped a whole encyclopedia worth of lore on the first day!!!
finally i no longer have to struggle to find your channel when in need of a great theory break
@@crypticphobia I guess I picked an actual good name this time then! XD
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Finally somebody explained the shole nightkingdom situation. I knew it was due to thr leylines barely being present, but I never knew why they weren't present.
Theres quiet a lot of Natlan lore I have missed.
Your channel rebranding is very cool, big fan of the banner and profile pic!
@@Schnubi yeah, so that's exactly why it took a week to write the script alone! The Night Kingdom and the whole story around it, is so interesting but also so complicated, that it took me a while to figure it out XD
And I'm really happy you liked the changes!!! XD
I REALLY liked the changes. But I loved the drawings. Specially the outro one. You are more talented than you had showed so far. Respect!
@@amorimjt thank you!!! I went through many, MANY ideas for the banner, so I have countless unfinished drawing that I thought I liked and then realized they were bad for the banner. The one in the outro survived for so long that I actually finished it before deciding to go for the same four characters that were already in my previous banner, but it looked too good to be completely scrapped XD
If I'm not mistaken, then in Mika's story it says that the Captain has dark blue eyes, and Tenoch has gray ones. Besides, I would like to know your opinion about why there are so many details of the dragon in his design, and why in the battle cut scene he held a sword in a similar way as Kaya
@@котейкатв-г7л so... Here's the thing that I didn't say in the video because I didn't want to sound like I couldn't give up on my previous theory about Capitano. Have you checked Zhongli's whole outfit? And did you see the other Harbingers' outfits? It still look, somehow, like Capitano could be Menogias, because both him and Zhongli have these dragon scales details, but also the two diamond shaped designs that every Harbinger also have, and Menogias was in charge of clothing.
Now, I do believe him to be Tenoch, because it just makes sense, why would Menogias know and care about an oath made 500 years ago in Natlan, right? But then capitano says "you heard something from here", as if the body belongs to a person, and it's acting as a container for another consciousness, which would explain why Capitano doesn't look like Tenoch, but what he's trying to achieve fits Tenoch perfectly.
As for the eyes, it could really be anything. That body isn't really that of a living being, so that he has blue eerie eyes could be a product of whatever turned him into a pitch black figure.
Plus, his powers look more Geo than Cryo to me, which would fit Menogias actually. It could also be that Hoyoverse knew that people thought he was Menogias and decided to play on that
The thing about Ganyu being wrong is not actually true. Although Mavuika has been in stasis for 500 years she is still older since she was around before the cataclysm and Nahida was born basically at the end of it.Dont know how she knew that though maybe they met up back then and more recently.
@@GhostEmblem yeah, but as you said it, Mavuika has been in stasis for 500 years, so if she was something like 25 years old, she would still be 25 years old when she came back to life. Ganyu told us about Nahida in the present, and she said that she IS (not was) the youngest of the seven, and that is wrong, because she is now 500, while Mavuika is still 25.
She was the youngest when she became the Archon, so it would have been correct if Ganyu said that she was the youngest of the seven when the seven were instituted
I really appreciate the work you put into the creation of all the clips/Video parts to support that what you are saying. This must have been a lot of work and coordination with friends
@@saskiamel7368 coordination with friends? That would have made things soooooo much easier... No, I did it all by myself with two accounts, one on the PC and one on the tablet, and a lot of editing to make it look like those characters were there at the same time. The few videos where two characters are actually there together, that's still me, using both devices at the same time, which with just 2 arms wasn't really easy to do XD
But thankfully, despite the hardships, the result was nice! I'm happy you liked it!!!!
@@ShadowXImpact whaaat? You're kidding, that's even more work D: wow
Another thing about the name Och-Kan is that it’s the name of the Vision Serpent from Maya mythology, which was the serpent people would see in the visions they had during bloodletting rituals. It has also been identified with Waxaklahun Ubah Kan, the classic name of Kukulkan. The K’iche’ name of Kukulkan was Ququmatz, which is likely where the name Qucusaur comes from. Also, just so I don’t miss a variant, the Aztec version of Kukulkan is Quetzalcoatl.
I think thematically that Mictlan (I will be using the non-title names of the tribes where I can since they are shorter) is a mixture of Anemo and Cryo and the Flower-Feather clan is a mixture of Pyro and Anemo. For Mictlan we know they’re associated with Anemo already, but Cryo seems to come up a lot in relation to them. Liliuo has a Cryo Vision, Citlali has a Cryo Vision, and Ororon is working with Capitano, a servant of the Cryo Archon. This also would tie into a general trend of connecting Anemo and Cryo together in various stories, settings, characters, and even enemies.
The Flower-Feather Clan has the Pyro Qucusarus, but they fly on them and seem to use hot air balloons, and Chasca is Anemo. I think that this means that Ifa will be Pyro, giving each tribe a representative (perhaps even hero) of the clan’s element. That’s also why I believe Ororon is the hero of Mictlan, too. With that color scheme and his clan, the chances of him being Anemo are pretty high.
I do not think that this sorta thematic fusion of elements is related to their respective Saurians, though. I think that the Saurians are like the mutant Bathysmal Vishaps that Orobashi had the people of Enkanomiya experiment on, but on a much longer time scale and with more resources. The Bolteater and Rimebiter Bathysmal Vishaps only exist in Enkanomiya, why the normal Primordial Bathysmal Vishaps can be seen in Fontaine and Remuria (Cineas has been trapped for millennia bro). Just like Orobashi couldn’t get them to adapt to Pyro, there shouldn’t be a Cryo Saurian. I think it’s too difficult or even impossible for a Vishap to fully cross the elemental “spectrum” (like light because of the light realm). That does raise the question of how the Koholasaurs exist, but I think that 1. Hydro is slightly closer to Pyro while Cryo is on the opposite side of the spectrum entirely, 2. the time scale difference may have allowed Hydro to come about, probably as the final Saurian, and 3. the presence of Phlogiston and its various forms, like liquid Phlogiston, probably aided the process of their evolution.
I think Ganyu’s line still stands on a technicality. Mavuika was the Pyro Archon before Makoto, Rukkhadevata, and Egeria died, and she is now again the current Archon. Mavuika’s likely one of the Pyro Archons Ganyu has actually met before, and it’s a bit difficult to hide your identity from an Adeptus, so she probably knows she’s the same Archon from back then. If you take age to mean the amount of time she has existed or just the amount of time that has passed since she was born, she would be the second youngest Archon, just a few decades older than Nahida. It’s sorta like the cryostasis (I did not say Cryo Hypostasis) situation in Honkai Impact 3rd. Are the remaining MOTHs 5,000 or 50,000? Depends on if you want to count their age with or without the unconscious time.
To me, the Wayob sound like Ideas from Honkai. I’ve never explained them before, but since you’re around the finale of part 1 you’ll learn more about them soon enough. In short they’re similar to the administrator of the Kaslana Stigmata, amalgamations of the memories and wills of a bloodline, but not attached to any one particular human component of theirs.
I think the Flamelord’s Blessing is related to selecting the next Pyro Sovereign. Since more than one Saurian can have it at a time I think it’s more of a mark showing that they are a candidate, similar to the Pilgrimage for the Pyro Archon. I don’t think Little One is the next Pyro Sovereign (my precious Xibi), but I think there’s a possibiiity that we will see the next one be born.
I think I know why the Archon Quest is going to 5.3. The Tribal Reputation reward a Blazing Flint Ore for max reputation with each tribe, so there should be 6 of them. That number combined with their description,
“When grasped in one's hand, one can feel the fiery pulse thrumming within the stone. Perhaps one day, held high against the starry sky, it might emit a gentle gleam that illuminates the night.”,
makes them sound like Stella Fortuna, so I think they’ll be for the Pyro Traveler’s constellations.
“The Cornerstone of Stars and Flames” items are categorized as 5 star character level-up materials like the weekly boss drops, so I think these will be for Pyro Traveler’s talents. One given at the end of the Tribal Chronicles (only example at the time of writing this is Mualani’s story quest but I assume Kinich’s will give one too, one for each each major update of the Archon Quests (Acts 1&2, 3&4, and 5), and one after each major World Quest. Those will probably be for the Pyro Traveler’s talents. Pushing the Archon Quest to 5.3 will likely give people enough time to get max tribal reputation and complete all the relevant quests to max out the Pyro Traveler.
I have a theory that we will see different all the major sun deities from Aztec and Maya mythology from across the main codices, which are different collections of lore that recount the mythology in different ways. So far we have a few figures that correspond to deities who either serve as the sub or were considered sub deities for other reasons.
The god of the Night Kingdom may correspond to Tezcatlipoca, the lord of the night, god of the nocturnal sky, brother and antithesis of Quetzalcoatl. The first sun.
Waxaklahun Ubah Kan corresponds to Queztalcoatl. The second sun.
Chaac is the Maya equivalent of Tlaloc. The third sun.
Xbalanque’s probably a consecration of Xbalanque the Maya Hero Twin (alongside his brother Hunahpu) and Huitzilopochtli, the fifth sun. Other than the obvious aspect of him also being the god of war there’s the fact that Xiuhcoatl, the fire serpent, is also the weapon of
Huitzilopochtli, and Xbalanque’s Divine Throne would be made from Xiuhcoatl’s authority.
That leaves Chalchiuhtlicue, the fourth sun.
But, depending on the codex or the tradition, you also have Tonatiuh (who in some traditions was formerly known as Nanauatl/Nanautzin) as the fifth sun. In other traditions Tonatiuh and Nanautzin are separate gods but the sun story is related to both of them.
Tecciztecatl (co-sun with Tonatiuh, was turned into the moon).
Ehecatl, the god of wind. Also considered an aspect of Quetzalcoatl. Not a sun (as Ehecatl), but in different variations of the mythology he is considered to be the one who moves the sun and moon in one way or another.
It’s tricky before Genshin mixes and matches a lot of mythological elements around, and for some of these there’s so much variation in the source material itself that it’s difficult to guess where they’ll take from, but I think these are all likely candidates to see.
Sorry to break it to you man but. Leaks ahead....
Someone screenshot a part of the 5.1 AQ during the Beta and it shows that Ororon has an Electro Vision.
@@gyannunez I don't think that the visions have much to do with the tribes for a single reason, which is that the Nanatzcayan would only have Geo, the Huitzlan only Dendro and so on, which would be bad and hideous if you think about it. I mean, people have their own aspirations beyond what their background ideal is, just like the nations. In Fontaine, people all believe in justice, the background ideal, but their own personal ambitions affect what vision they received, they don't all have the same one, so the same would apply to the tribes.
The Saurians are a whole different thing. Just like the vishaps, they adapted to the element surrounding them, so they changed accordingly, the difference is that one was an experiment while the other was the natural course of events. All the elements can be justified with Pyro except for Cryo since it's exact opposite, so it wouldn't make sense for it to exist in Natlan.
I don't think Ganyu's statement to be true and there is a huge difference between the Flamechasers and Mavuika. The MOTHs hybernated, so they have been alive for those 50000 years, while Mavuika literally, in some form, died and came back to life 500 years later.
Now, if Ganyu said "Nahida was the youngest of the Archons after the cataclysm", that would have been true, because she would have just come to life while Mavuika was already in her 20s. The problem is that she said "Nahida (I know she didn't say Nahida) IS the youngest", and she's not. She has lived for 500 years, while Mavuika stopped living in her 20s and came back to life, so she continued to live, 500 years later, so she's still in her 20s.
Yeah, the Wayob sound like that. They ate the "home of the ancestors' souls", so they are the will of those ancestors, reason why I think the 6 Wayob are chaac and his companions, and their names are those 6 specific Ancient Names that have been passed on from generation to generation, even though not through bloodline but through aptitude.
I have a bad feeling about the Lil' Buddy... I didn't want to say it in the video, but the heroes have always appeared when a dragon was about to destroy Natlan, so the Sage in Hanan Pacha, the flamelord and Xbalanque (who probably had companions that haven't been mentioned yet), the Scarlet-eyed youth and the sage again. The Archon War probably never happened, but there could have been a dragon there as well, and the same may apply to the cataclysm (there is the Volcano Lord from the story) and probably the present. I mean, were supposed to "liberate them all", we were told that when we first arrived in Natlan.... Is Lil buddy going to become the new dragon (you know, like mini Durin from Simulanka), but he's not going to be an enemy for the first time? Hopefully....
I think it's way easier than that. In 5.0 we completed Metzli and (soon) Huitzlan. In 5.1 we will visit the masters of the night wind and the flower feather clan, but we also know that there's Xilonen and Ifa, so we will probably compete the Nanatzcayan and Flower Feather clan chronicles. In 5.2 there will be the collective of plenty and we're probably getting Iansan and Ororon, so we will complete the Masters of the night wind chronicles (that would have began in 5.1, so the first and second act) and have all three acts from the collective of plenty. Once we got all those drops, we will be able to unlock the Pyro traveler (so I was probably right that 5.2 exists for us to unlock the element) that will be essential in 5.3 to complete the Archon quest.
@@bisayafascist5725 warning: leaks are NOT permitted on this channel. The only way you can write about them, is to clearly state that you are about to talk about leaks, then, as you did, leave a few empty spaces and then write, so that people know that, by reading the rest of the comments, the would be exposed to leaks. I didn't want to know what you wrote, but you never said that they were leaks.
Besides, Chasca was Cryo in Ignition and became Anemo in basically 2 weeks, so I wouldn't be sure of what the beta is showing, they can chance everything last minute
The name and channel logo change definitely threw me for a loop.
XD yeah I know. I did post in the community tab to get as many people to see that it changed before the video came out, and also because I couldn't be sure whether the name was available or not before changing it... well, actually, I didn't think I could know, but turns out it does say it...
The acting out of the story with characters was fantastic! It REALLY helps with picturing the events. Great job!
@@amouramarie thank you!!! I'm happy you liked it! It's hard to make these kinds of videos, because I'm doing it all by myself with two accounts, one on the PC and one on the tablet, but the result is really nice XD
For the statues I have heard theories that they take the form of the last archon that would exist in the nation. As Fontaines has longer hair like focalors and Mavuika also supports this theory since kachina says it’s probably a coincidence but I’m sure someone would of found it strange over the years that the statue didn’t match the archon but now it does
I used to think they showed the original archons but again natlan kinda disproved this as the first archon was male and she is female
@@hazelmaple (I don't know if there are going to be two identical replies) it would be an interesting theory, but if you remember about it, the cataclysm is something that the fate of the world can't predict because it's based on a power that doesn't exist in Teyvat. Nabu Malikata was able to predict that there would have been a massive dangerous problem, but she couldn't see what would have happened because of it. As a consequence, Fate shouldn't have been able to know that the Archons would have died and that new ones would have come, so it wouldn't have known what they looked like.
When it comes to Natlan, I still think Xbalanque wasn't the Archon during the Archon War, so there wouldn't have been any statue when he ascended, they appeared after the Archon War, probably because they are needed for the visions that also appeared after the war. So, I think I'll hold on to the theory that the Pyro Archon during the Archon War looked like Mavuika, so the statue resembles her, and she stayed in the Sacred Flame for not too long, so her appearance was shared with the next special Archon in line, Mavuika, at least until we figure out who Mavuika really is and how these special Archons work
All i care about is finding another entry/volume of Before Sun and Moon, this book is more heavily protected than Genshin's source code at this point. On another note, maybe burning Irminsul will only get rid of the memories that the Primordial One manufactured. Lastly i can see Ororon sacrificing himself to safeguard Capitano's life, that or either to help him retrieve his ancient name, Ororon might even know his real identity. Glad you're still doing these videos, you're one of a kind.
@@lexical450 having another Before Sun and Moon book would be great, but then it would mean that Khaenri'ah would have obsessed over one specific book when there were more of them.
Irminsul already doesn't have memories about the Primordial One, I think they have already been deleted by the Second who came, reason why the only ones who knew about him are the people of Enkanomiya (who are not connected to Irminsul) and Nabu Malikata (who was forcefully disconnected from Irminsul).
I don't think Ororon is going to sacrifice himself for Capitano, if anything the opposite may be true. If Capitano is Tenoch, he would know that Ororon is a necessary part of the plan to save Natlan, so his death would go against his own plan.
I'm always going to do these videos, so don't worry about it! XD
I love the fact that you show the sources of information in the video alongside the quoted parts. The staging you did with the characters was also a lot of fun, made watching this much more interesting. Great video.
@@catdownthestreet the on-screen text is a main feature of this channel, I always give my viewers the ability to pause the video and read what I used to come up with the theory, mainly because I'm not here to convince people that I'm right (because, as I say in the disclaimer, I could be completely wrong), but to share my ideas and discuss them with the viewers. If they had to look things up on their own, it would make it impossible for people to understand why I'm saying something, unless they somehow memorized every piece or scrap paper in the entire nation!
The staging is always fun to see, the results are entertaining and I think it helps because they show what I'm saying. It makes things easier to follow along, also because I give specific roles to specific characters, so a viewer who saw Kaeya in this video, knows it's the craftsman for example. Making it though, that was tough! XD
Anyway, thank you!!!! I'm happy you like the video!!!!
Let's f*cking goooooo ,name change yaaaay , the logo is really good 😊🎉
@@aRYaN-jl2qp thank you!!!!!! XD XD
Great upload! As far as algorithm, this actually showed up in my feed. Your stuff hasn’t for a while before the change. Hopefully more people will find the channel! Cheers🎉
@@mikebiddle4070 thank you, I'm happy you liked it!!!
So my videos didn't appear in the feed before? Huh... That's interesting, I'm learning a lot about my channel before the change, like I didn't even know people searched for ShadowX to find my channel.
Well, the algorithm will settle down sooner or later, so we can just wait and see! XD
Yooo finally change the name I'm glad that you keep the wolf logo tho great video also love the new intro.
8:11 isnt ronova based on ronove so it must be shade of death then I thought its pretty obivious because the ancient name carved on obsidian feather and shade of death in artifact represented by plume of death
@@sunglassfrog89 yeah, I think it was about time to change the name, and Natlan, the nation I've been obsessing over for 2 years, was the best moment to do it! The wolf will never go away, that's actually my first tattoo I have on my shoulder, so that literally represents me XD
Ronove is a demon from the Ars Goetia, yes, but the thing is that, most likely, what you call the shad eof death is what I call the shade of Fate, simply because the Fates in Greek Mythology decide a person's birth, life span and death. I simply call her differently because, after Simulanka, it is clear to me that she's also the shade that decided people's destinies, what they're going to do, what's going to happen to them, and as a consequence, when they'll die as well
@@ShadowXImpact btw great video! I love how you make a timeline it must be taken a lot of effort ussualy when it comes to games like genshin where the lore scattered all over thinking about timeline is most thing I avoided lol
Also what did you think about the archon quest act 1 & 2? Most people I know dont like it that much but I think because natlan act 1 & 2 its very action shonen anime like and what item did u think that we got at the end of the quest because its specified as a weekly boss material I thought its kinda weird 🤔
@@sunglassfrog89 thank you!!! On my notes on the tablet, there are basically 4 pages only about the timeline because I couldn't figure it out at first, so I kept going over it to try and make sense of it XD
I honestly liked this Archon Quest, it was definitely different so I embraced the changes. As for the drop, it's clearly something we will be able to get later, when we get the actually boss, and it feels like it's going to be a very important boss, especially when it comes to the foundation of Teyvat!
This was amazing! I need to make sure you get more attention to your videos bro! 😊😊😊😊😊
@@Zarozian thank you!!! As for getting attention, we can only wait and see, it's not something we can control, so let's hope for the best! XD
Name change ?? Also love the intro!
@@ritarama1117 yeah name change, Logo change, banner change, outro screen change!!!!
24:47 Technically yes, but there's a hoyofair song that feature Egeria's appearance, it's called end of all. You should check it out
@@tuyen5085 but the Hoyofair Videos are not official ones, they're made by fans, so that's how an animator thinks Egeria looks like
God damn i cant believe i never seen your channel (i follow literally all other lore channels) and this was an amazing video with a lot of detail I’ve heard for the first time ❤
@@MrManafon I'm happy you liked it!!!
I just changed the name of the channel, the old one was hard for people to remember and the algorithm literally hated it, so that's probably why you've never found my channel XD
I just started watching and I love the intro hahah
@@marieke884 I'm replying 8 hours later so I guess you probably finished watching it by now XD
But thank you!!!!
@@ShadowXImpact i am actually rewatching it right now! Great video!!!
24:55 Egeria is the shorekeeper from Wuthering Waves XD
Light blue hair and elegant design that looks like an archon
@@aayanchiron9770 I don't play Wuthering Waves, but that woman looks like they didn't even try that hard to hide the copy paste of Black Swan, but with Egeria's hair color....
@@ShadowXImpact yeah she does look like black swan
Still gonna pull for because she looks very beautiful
I was confused whose channel was this at first then it dawned on me. ngl. I'm very impressed with the new look. know that your efforts are appreciated! of the many genshin theorists out there, it's you and Ashikai I always go to. Here's to your channel growing further! cheers mate!
@@angelogabriel7169 yeah, it really is hard to notify people about a name change. I've been posting in the community tab since 8 hours before the video dropped, making sure that the first thing people read was the old name of the channel, and I also left the old logo and banner for those 8 hours with just the new name changed, so that people would see something familiar and associated it to the new name.
I think it's going to take a little bit of time and a few more community tab posts in different times of the day to notify the majority of the subscribers, but it's okay XD
And thank you for your kind words! I'm happy my videos are to your liking!!!! XD
@@angelogabriel7169 to be honest, everytime I open up youtube and see the new logo, even though I made it myself, I still think "what's that logo?", so I'm also in the process of figuring out that my channel has undergone a few changes XD
@@ShadowXImpact that's so true. I always depended on recognizing the logo and the specific color palette. Once I do, I go "Yep. That's shadow dropping a new vid." I re watch your videos anyways so I'll get used to it eventually. Those artworks looks fire btw!
@@angelogabriel7169 yeah, plus it's still "ShadowX" like before and in the logo I added the 5452 and the Wolf tattoo, hoping people would recognize them.
And thank you!!!! I'm really happy you liked the drawings!!! XD
It is probably Celestia who changes the statues and as she has been sleeping for 500 years, the statues of the seven have not changed
@@rafaelbotas4238 and yet, there's no one who has ever said that the statue in Natlan kept changing until the Cataclysm. Besides, of all the things Celestia could think about, would they really care about transforming a statue every time a new Archon has been made?
@ShadowXImpact I don't think so. The statues may be the last thing Celestia did in Teyvat before disappearing from the map 500 years ago.
Sheeeesh that channel banner tho... LOOKING
@@geboaebo XD XD XD
2Pac as Itto lets gooo!
@@marcusbullock2753 well, he's the best candidate for a giant, although I had to put him on the stairs to make him look like a giant XD
Hi! I still haven't watched the video but I'm so excited to see it!
@@ame-vz2ni it's finally out!!! Take your time, it's not going anywhere! XD
Nice drawing btw. Outro screen
@@AkiMikado thank you!!!! XD
There are two wolfs inside of me
Natlans lore so confusing i had to watch the video twice to get it fully lol. Thank you so much for this! I have a question though, its always been believed that the shades are Life Death Time and Void (plus Reason for the PO), who would be the Shade of Fate in this case? Amazing video as always!
@@daten9075 watching it twice.... A 43min video.... My viewers really like long videos, it seems! XD
So, I think that what the people define as the Shade of Death is what I call the Shade of Fate, which is what I explained back in my Simulanka video. The thing is simple: fate decides everything a person will do and experience since birth, throughout their lives, but also their death, so it still falls onto her (them? Considering it's three entities as one) to rule over people's deaths
Regarding Nahida being the youngest Archon, if it's true that all Archons of Natlan share the same Ancient Name, maybe that essentially means that they ARE the same person, at least to Ganyu/Celestia/the Archon system? The same soul, basically being reborn in different bodies. Orrrr.... maybe Xbalanque is still considered the "real" Pyro Archon, since he's not _quite_ dead, just hanging out in the Sacred Flame?
@@amouramarie as I said in the video, I doubt that every pyro Archon shares the same Ancient Name, because they have to win the tournament to become one and people can't participate if they don't have one. If the Ancient Name was always the same, the moment the Wayob gave it to a person, the people would have recognized it and made them the Archon without having to win the Pilgrimage.
As for every Archon to be the same person, unless the Archons are all aware of it, Ganyu can't possibly know something the Archons themselves don't.
Considering that Ganyu said that every Archon except for Rex Lapis and Barbatos changed, she shouldn't be considering Xbalanque as the Pyro Archon, otherwise he would have been counted with the two original ones.
It's really tricky, and the fact that Dawei said that they rethought Natlan all over to make it better after being attacked by the players, makes me think that what we're seeing now as Natlan is way different from what he envisioned 3 years ago when Ganyu said what she said...
You didn't need to scare me like that at 10:47
hahaahhahahahahah XD
38:52 are you sure that’s cryo? the colors of the two elements can easily look very similar especially with that lighting, so there’s no way we can confirm it was supposed to be cryo unless it was data-mined or leaked.
@@captaindanger13 I'm pretty sure it's cryo, because the color is not deep enough to be hydro, but also not green enough to be teal like anemo. Although anemo and cryo are very similar, the colors are actually completely different and belong to two different spectra. I might be wrong, but it really looks like cryo to me, not anemo
Just a weird thought but, what if Mavuika sacrifices herself and the ancient name she's gonna forge us is the Xbalanque's name and she's gonna let us inherit the Archons power. What if when we get pyro element, we get the whole Archon skadooz? Crazy right? Traveller might even be actually OP
@@AkiMikado but then how would we explain us leaving Natlan to go to Snezhnaya? And how would Hoyoverse explain that in 5.3 (I guess at this point), they won't get the playable Mavuika?
If she sacrifices herself to power up the heroes, she can come back to life, but if she dies so that we became the Archon, then she wouldn't come back to life anymore, and that can't happen
Ah, so close..... you're right that she was a Shade, but not of Fate. Think about which Shade would be closest associated with rebirth
@@readonlymemories I really needed to say it again, I guess that stating this in the Simulanka video wasn't enough. What you call the Shade of Death is what I can the Shade of Fate, simply because death is just 1/3 of what fate is. Fate is birth, life span and death
Well done
@@nour2736 thank you!!! XD
So there are some things I disagree with. I don't think och kan and the sage of the stolen flame are the same person because the sage is a full dragon while och kan was described as half human also there is no shade of fate (the shade of fate is probably the primordial one)in the four shades so I think ronova is the shade of death due to the description of ronovè in the ars goetia as he is a taker of old souls and I also believe the archon era was also the same era of the pyro dragon
@@faizaholajide6913 well, no, the Sage is not a full dragon, he is defined as a "human" since the beginning, so he looked like a dragon, but then he managed to acquire a human appearance when he left the kingdom of the vishaps. Think about it, the savages were scared to death by the dragons, but they accepted Waxaklahun no problem, which would have been impossible if he looked like a dragon. Plus, he created the first tribe on Hanan Pacha (well, he gathered the people who then became the first tribe) and he took over Natlan when Xbalanque entered the Sacred Flame, which is the same exact description we have of the Python King, who looks like a human at the beginning, and slowly starts turning back into a dragon, and in the end looks like a half human half dragon figure.
I now realize that I should have explained it in this video as well, because not many people have watched or remember about my Simulanka video, but what I define the Shade of Fate, is what you call the Shade of Death. Fate means birth, life and death of a person, and the Fates in Greek Mythology decided those things, one was in charge of a person's death, one of their life span, and one of their death, and the shade of Fate in Simulanka was represented by three identical statues but is considered as just one person, exactly like the Moirai, the Fates, but also Hecate
@ShadowXImpact oh ok I understand now
So the bloodstained knight is forever gonna remain a mystery since it seemingly cant be Capitano?
@@AlexisNess-mn4zw I guess, for now, he will have to stay a mystery. I couldn't find a way to figure out who he is, at least for now
Mavuika is one true archon recognize by the throne for pass 500 years.
other are become archon in name only borrow power from gnosis (you don't have to be archon to use gnosis) or ronova whatever.
remember throne of archon and gnosis is entirely different thing.
@@PGM991 but there's no proof for that. Actually, it makes little sense because the people know exactly what an Archon is able to do, their powers are more than evident in their hair turning into flames and the knowledge of the past being passed down to them. The Archons have to ignite their inner flames to become Archons, which is what the predecessors and successors of Mavuika had to do in order to be recognized, so they became true Archons.
We talk about the gnosis with such ease, but are we sure Mavuika even really has it? Just because she's the Archon, doesn't mean she has to have or use it. Ei and Furina didn't have it nor did they use it at all...
@@ShadowXImpact either pyro archon keep changing but not recognize by the throne set by celestia (statue doesn't change) or there real archon hiding in the flame lol
we don't know how the pyro throne set by celestia work. we only heard from people of Natlan themselves which can be misinterpreted from misinformation forge by vayob or whoever lurking in shadow.
all we can do is speculate wait and see :D
@@PGM991 Mavuika literally told us that Xbalanque set some specific rules to let normal humans ascend to archonhood. That's not hearsay from NPCs, that's straight from the source. But yeah, we'll see as the story progresses
@@ShadowXImpact I've read that part in story and it tickling my mind.
he set the rules? impossible, only celestial can set archon rules. so... is archon from rules of xubalanqe a real archon? or it's just make believe?🤔
i... smell... conspiracy 😆
@@PGM991 I think you're just seeing too much into it. Xbalanque was recognized by the Night Kingdom and he, most likely, acquired the powers of the Pyro Dragon, which is what allowed him to be resurrected, the first man to be resurrected specifically. He also borrowed the powers from the Heavens, so I don't see why it would be "impossible" for him to set those rules. We have Mavuika now, and we can clearly see that she has Archon powers, so those rules actually exist.
It's a fantasy game, "impossible" is not really a thing here, especially if it can be explained through the laws of Teyvat. We've known since the beginning that humans can become Archons, Venti told us about it, so it's definitely not impossible
Zhongli looks high in the channel banner 😂
@@aayanchiron9770 I guess the sun was too strong for him XD
@@ShadowXImpacttoo hot in Natlan
I wonder if this is just a teaser story for Khaneriah
@@marcusbullock2753 I think Natlan is slowly introducing both Khaenri'ah and the floating island of Celestia (which, by the way, I don't think it's the ineffable city for multiple and obvious reasons). It's been since Simulanka that they're hinting at Celestia being a thing coming up really soon
The 2 Ayatos 😂
@@franklinfernandes5593 XD XD
hey, I like your theory a lot, there is just one thing that confused me. About the archon status, I understand your statement except about the hydro one. Because there was a mural in Fontaine that show Egeria and her bang look pretty different from focalors and the hydro archon status, or maybe it was just me misremembered thing. And I don't think is it stated anywhere that Egeria and Focalors look a like. Furina is already a “clone” of Focalors i don't see Focalors to be one of Egeria too. Since it seems that every archon until now except Zhongli is like a copy or look a lot like another archon previous or not?
@@Vill-Moon yes, Egeria has different bangs in that mural, but we're also talking about a drawing, not a faithful portrait, plus it would have represented Egeria millenia before the Archon War. Furthermore, the Archons from the various art pieces in the game are usually different from the real person, like Zhongli clearly has patterns on his body, but his statue doesn't have them. He also has a way more hair on his forehead in the old depictions compared to the hairstyle he wears in the statue.
Focalors has never been said to be identical or similar to Egeria, but then again, we've never really seen Egeria, so there's also nothing saying whether they looked alike or not. I mean, even in the mural, we can't say that they look different, she doesn't even have a face in the drawing, we just see her bangs. That being said, the Oceanids were created by Egeria, so since she picked Focalors to be her successor before she died and before she was given a body, it could also be that she gave her a body that looked like hers for whatever reason
Xbalanque has to be the Archon during the Archon war tho, because he is the first Pryo Archon and Archon as a title/position didn't even exist before the Archon war
@@motemo8413 I have a video (I think I showed the thumbnail in this video) in which I went through the fact that the seven from the Archon War may actually not be the first seven Archons.
The main proof I brought to the table, but in a tldr way, are:
Decarabian was the Anemo Archon and had a divine throne, and it's not a mistranslation;
Ganyu talks about the "first iteration of the seven", and an iteration, contrary to what people think it means, is a new and improved version of something that already existed;
Egeria turned the Oceanids into people but "as one of the seven" she didn't have enough authority or power to make them actually humans, and the Oceanids became people way before Remuria was founded.
We all think that the concept of "Archon" is something that appeared when the Archon War happened, but we actually have no tangible proof of that, nothing in the game specifically says "the concept of Archons appeared for the first time after the Archon War". Of anything, the game says the complete opposite, it talks about Decarabian and Egeria as we said before, Deshret also was said to hold the authority over Sumeru. The one thing that appeared for sure for the first time in the Archon War, were the gnoses, not the Archons.
Plus, the Archon War saw the gods fighting each other, and yet it's not called the Gods War, but the Archon War, as if it was meant to leave just the Archons and get rid of the other gods, the fragments of the authorities of the dragons that devoured each other, and coincidentally, the last remaining gods were those who specifically embodied the most perfect concept of the element they represent, not a variation of it, like Havria's salt for example.
Anyway, if you want a full explanation of what I just said, I would recommend you watch my previous video "The First Ancient Archons of Teyvat"
@@ShadowXImpact this can't be true. first of all Decarabian thing IS a mistranslation, he was never an Archon. second of all this entire game states that Zhongli is the very first person to obtain title and position of an Archon(it is even said in his character stories) and he only did that at the end of Archon war in Liyue. this means that Archon position couldn't have existed before then.
Venti is also called as one of the original Archons and Seven, he can't have been the original then if there was anyone before him.
from what we know, there was no Archon war in Sumeru because Deshret,Nabu and Rukkhadevata ruled the land without any other gods daring to oppose them so they just handed it to Deshret by default, but he gave it to Rukkhadevata
@@motemo8413 well, unless you're part of the team of writers behind Genshin Impact, you cannot state that it's a mistranslation, so your "IS" in capital letter is just you pretending to know what you don't.
Zhongli has never been said to be the first ever Archon in his character stories, he is the eldest of the seven, which doesn't mean the first ever. It means that, among the seven Archons who won the Archon War, he is the eldest, nothing more. Just because Zhongli became the Archon after the Archon War, doesn't mean that there can't have been another before him. Is like saying that someone became the president after the election, should automatically mean that there haven't been presidents before, it makes no sense.
Venti is one of the original Archons from the Archon War, there hasn't been a single time in which it was said "he was the first ever Archon of Mondstadt", plus you're conveniently avoiding Decarabian's ancient divine seat crumbling when he was defeated, but let me guess, that's another convenient mistranslation right? Well, I don't exclude things to make them fit my narratives, using whatever excuse I can find in order to be right no matter what. If you want to use the information the game provides to prove a point, you have to use everything the game provides, not just what is useful for what you're trying to tell, and you have to be ready to give up on certainties and accept other possibilities, even if they might sound uncomfortable (even though, why would it be so bad if there were Archons before the seven from the Archon War? It's not like the game would change anyway).
I can see you skipped Egeria being one of the seven when she gave her Oceanids human bodies, I suppose for the same convenience as before, because you can't find a way around that, now can you? Same goes for the actual meaning of iteration, I guess.
Deshret, Rukkhadevata and Nabu Malikata ruled the land together, and yet Deshret was the one who took Mos to the decisions, and just because there were other gods, it doesn't mean that an Archon couldn't have existed. Didn't Inazuma have both Makoto, the Archon, and Ei, a God, at the same time after the Archon War? Plus, Deshret gave up on the chance to receive the gift of a Gnosis, meaning he didn't care about participating in the Archon War, and then he died to save his people, leaving Rukkhadevata the only God in Sumeru that could have become the Archon, there was no choice whatsoever.
But I can safely assume you will never allow yourself to give this a chance, because it would mean giving up on a certainty, but I'm not like that. The game has already been telling us a lot of things that were previously unthinkable and unacceptable, so I can't see why this can't be the same.
@@ShadowXImpact
Zhongli character story 5:
"Rex Lapis, most ancient of The Seven, has lived far too long.
Rex Lapis still remembers that moment when the final archon took their divine seat, thus ending the Archon War and the era of warring gods. The Seven were a diverse lot and dispersed far and wide, but they all shouldered the burden of guiding humanity.
As time passed, many of The Seven's titles changed hands, and only two remain of the first Seven: Rex Lapis and the Anemo Archon."
Someone can not be called "one of the first seven" or one of the "original seven" if the there have been some other iteration of Seven before them. that's not how word "first" and "original" work, their entire meaning entails that there can't be anything before them.
also you just elaborated on about what i said about Deshret, not sure how anything u said about him supports your theory.
I didn't mention Egeria because it makes no sense. i am not sure where it says that she was an Archon WHEN she turned Oceanids into humans but even if it says that somewhere then devs made a mistake because devs also said that Egeria became an Archon AFTER Remuria fell. Egeria was punished for her sin with the prophecy and imprisoned before Remus even formed Remuria so it's impossible for her to have been one of the Seven Archons when she did that, because she only became an Archon after Remuria fell. see how timeline becomes bullshit?
also u don't need to be part of the writer team to know that it was a mistranslation, u just need to know Chinese, and in Chinese text it never says that Decarabian was an Archon, that's EN only. in Chinese it only says that Decarabian was a god.
@@motemo8413 yes, just like Ganyu called them the FIRST "iteration" of the seven, so the first seven from the Archon War. It's like saying the first government after the war, still doesn't necessarily and unequivocally "the first ever government to have existed". The character story, just like Ganyu, is speaking since the Archon War forward, not throughout the entire history of Teyvat.
Well, if you don't see how Deshret can be an Archon with other living gods in the nation, even though Makoto was an Archon with another living God in the nation, it's most likely because you probably don't want to see it...
You didn't mention Egeria, you don't even know when it was said (it was Neuvillette during the Archon quest, not even something written), and yet, you have the audacity to say that the devs made a mistake, the same devs that are creating the game, rather than you not seeing things the way they are... I mean, that's the most absurd thing one can ever say, your basically putting yourself above those who created the story, do you even realize that? You're twisting the facts to fit your narrative to the point that, if there's something that doesn't work for you, it's a mistake the writers made...
Egeria was one of the seven before Remuria, when she turned the people Oceanids into people, she was punished, Remuria happened, Remuria fell, Remus died, Egeria was released and she resumed her position as Archon, as one of the seven in the first ITERATION of the seven that was instituted after the Archon War. Then again, you're ignoring the term iteration...
Oh, you need to know Chinese? Then Venti is not an Archon, because he is defined with the SAME EXACT term as Decarabian, both in Chinese and in every single other language the game was translated into. Again, I made a video about it, I checked every language, found the exact word used for Decarabian, compared with how Venti is defined as the Anemo Archon and also to how the other Archons are defined in the other languages. Maybe you should first check people's work before stating something that is clearly wrong. I am beyond thorough when I do something, I don't go around making bold statements without even knowing what the facts are, like you know, not even knowing about Egeria and still claiming it to be wrong for example.
You can clearly think whatever you want, I'm not trying to convince you in any way, my goal is not convincing people, otherwise I would make my theories sound like true facts instead of clearly stating they can be either right or wrong despite using what the game is telling us, but I won't accept people claiming to know more than the writers, that's just wrong
And "if" capitano become playable that means we have our first npc to get playable character treatment.
Them find an excuse to update their design.
I am speaking as a copuium theorist.
Xianyun (*￣(ｴ)￣*)
@@aRYaN-jl2qp edit: first human npc turn playable.
@@MJcool-su7qk oh
@@MJcool-su7qk damn I was hoping for Rana to be the first one...
Mairimashita! Iruma-kun Ronove jumpscare.
ahahahahahahahah I just had to!!!! I literally heard him sing his name when I read that name in 5.0!!!!
@@ShadowXImpact I say jumpscare but I love him lol
The real jumpscare would’ve been Amy.
@@gyannunez yeah, that would have been too much XD
I can't wait for the next season to drop by the way!!!
@@ShadowXImpact I like that at the end Zhongli and Bianka are together because their birthdays are right next to each other. December 31st and January 1st. It’s also funny to see Siegfried with Ei and Acheron, two copies of Kiana’s girlfriend.
@@gyannunez okay, I definitely didn't do that on purpose, I had no idea about Bianka's birthday, it hasn't come up yet since I started playing the game, but I don't know, it looked funny to have them so close when I was picking the positions of the characters. Same goes for Siegfried, I didn't think about Mei being Kiana's love interest!
I guess things just ended up being fitting without even thinking about them XD
Hmm. Oddly enough I think I disagree with almost everything in the video.
Hmm. A lot of it is probably not important to go over but I'm surprised there's so little agreement. By the way I don't think you got a hit on the name of the Pyro Archon (or anything else about Natlan). The name "Haborym" is of "Aim" or "Aym" and not "Amy".
Mavuika is 500 years old and the current Pyro Archon, so the Archon when Ganyu made her comment about Nahida being the youngest.
I assume the Statues of Seven simply depict the Archons of the current day and always have.
I doubt Capitano is Tenoch since Mavuika appears to speak to the dead Tenoch's spirit. Also she'd recognize him, and he, her.
Pyro Archon can't die as she'll be a playable character.
Memories don't go to Irminsul upon death, but all the time they are alive, and no new people are made from the memories.
Natlan has Ley Lines - it has Ley Line blooms the same as all nations and their patterns of shifting are no different from the other nations.
the PO is the not one who fell - could be a Seelie reference - divine envoy means an envoy from "the divine" not the divine itself
I think that Nibelung is the Pyro Sovereign. Why else depict the mural of Nibelung falling from heaven and the mural of the Pyro Archon killed by Xbalanque in parallel?
It's weird the way you want to give so many identities to the Sage. Like you say he's the dragon Chaac kills despite this happening long before Xbalanque is born. Even if you think Chaac doesn't kill any dragon, why would you call the Sage "wicked"? And why would Chaac kill his benefactor? Then you later say the Sage becomes the Sacred Lord who is a human? And a bad guy? How does any of this make sense? The Sage is the opposite of the Sacred Lord. One a dragon who favours dragon-human co-operation and is said to be wise, the other a human who is against human-dragon co-operation and is crazy and bad.
There's no basis for all the "Shade of Fate" stuff. That is a term never mentioned in the game. And when the envoy falls there's no Night Kingdom to fall into since the first Wayob is after Chaac dies. Also the Heavenly principles are in the Firmament City not underground, and "Ronova" is also a word for heavens, not under ground.
The tribes are founded in Chaac's time. So that blows away the theory that the twins come from different tribes. Besides which with Tenoch the group of heroes 500 years ago was 7 and not 6 so there's no linkage.
Yeah nobody's going to like the idea of seven other Archons ages ago that nobody including Zhongli can remember. Especially as there'd have to have been a long line of human Archons since then in Natlan so in what world does nobody know about that? Also are you saying Natlan has had Visions since before the nails dropped? Did none of the hypothetical early Archons have gnoses?
And as usual there were no Envoys in the Envoy Age. For example when Sal Vindagnyr falls the priest/king has no envoy to ask about the Nail.
Bunch of smaller stuff skipped for space.
Well it's interesting to see how little agreement there is over the new Natlan history stuff. Perhaps we'll be told more about it as 5.x goes forward.
@@davidjohnson8273 It's odd that we disagree? I think that about what has been happening every time I uploaded a video, so I'm not surprised at all.
For Amy, the page I found said that Haborym is also called Amy, but since I'm obviously not an expert in Demonology, I'll investigate further. Still, she's not Phoenix as everybody was sure of.
Mavuika is not 500 years old. She paused her life, so she didn't "live" those 500 years, she wasn't alive, she was basically dead, hence the "second life" she's living now.
It's your assumption without a reasonable explanation, so there's nothing to comment on
Mavuika saw her own memories, she didn't meet the dead Tenoch.
Pyro Archon can die, because this is a land where people can be resurrected.
Memories go back to Irminsul, we've been told that so many times, it baffles me how you just can't accept it after 4 years of them repeating it over and over
Natlan doesn't have leyline, or better yet, they are extremely weak, so weak that it's like they're not there. Just because there's a game mechanics in Natlan, doesn't really mean much, but still, we were literally told by the Archon herself that the Night Kingdom exists to substitute the absent leyline. If you don't believe what even she says, there little to comment on
It's a dispossessed divine Envoy, not a regular divine Envoy. It could be anyone, so you don't really have anything that says that I'm 100% wrong, it's just your assumption against mine
The Pyro dragon is not Nibelung. Xbalanque said, after he defeated the sovereign, that Natlan will face a major destruction event that not even the dragon king will be able to help them fight against, so Nibelung is a whole different entity
I explained the Sage in great detail in the video and I brought tangible proof that he is both the "human" at the beginning of the lore, that he was imprisoned (not killed), that Xbalanque released him and he started to use the mask to hide his draconic appearance, that he was corrupted and that he slowly turned back into his original dragon for, becoming a half human half dragon being. What is bad, is how you just ignore the lore.
What you said about the night kingdom is purely wrong. The shade created the Night Kingdom, and when Chaac appeared, he RECONNECTED the night kingdom to Natlan, so the Wayob came to life. The Wayob is not the night kingdom, is an entity that was born in it. Ronova (Ronove) is a demon of the Ars Goetia. Just because the shade barely survived back then, doesn't mean that she has to still be on the verge of death millennia later.
The tribes were NOT founded in Chaac's time, only the first tribe. You should really read everything in the game before commenting, I spent a whole day adding the on-screen text for a reason.
I said that there are at least 6 heroes, one from each tribe. Tenoch doesn't belong to any tribe, so...
No, no one of the ancient Archons had gnoses for two reasons: the gnoses were created during the Archon War, and an Archon doesn't need a gnosis to rule over the nation, as you can clearly see in Mondstadt, Liyue, Inazuma, and Sumeru, since they all don't have a gnosis anymore and they're still Archons. Just because no one likes it, doesn't mean that it shouldn't be said to conform to what the people would want to hear. No one wanted to hear that the Pyro Archon could have been a human two years ago, you included back then, and I proved you all wrong, so maybe I'm not an idiot that spouts bs out of nowhere just because.
As usual, you don't even try to listen to what I say, you just hear words that you automatically ignore. I've ALWAYS said the the Envoy Age ENDED with the descent of the nails, so yes, after the nails, there were no envoys left, it's what I've always said.
We can be told whatever in 5.x, the problem is what you will decide it means, which in 99% of the time, the exact opposite of what it means, and if it's too difficult to deny, then it's a red herring like the entirety of Simulanka that, guess what, it literally spoke about Natlan just the way I deduced it would have...
@@ShadowXImpact Yeah the closed captions (subtitles) and the text you quote on screen show up in the same space on the video (at the bottom) and the captions float over the other text.
You might be right about Ganyu though not because of what you said. Normally the age of something is equal to the present date minus the date of birth which is 500 for Mauvika therefore she is 500 years old. However Ganyu probably means how long each Archon has been Archon rather than how old they are. There's still a case for her being correct by the same logic but in the case of being Archon if a dozen other people were Archon in between now and 500 years ago it seems like she'd lose seniority. Or even if she maintained seniority she'd only get credit for the sum of the two periods of time she worked as Archon and not the full span of time. Of course we don't know if Ganyu or for that matter Zhongli knows about the Pyro Archon in recent times since they stopped meeting in Liyue 500 years ago. Perhaps her knowledge is based on the last time they all got together.
Oddly we seem to be both taking both positions on the memory thing. I said memories go into Irminsul when you're alive, not when you die. We can see that from how Nahida says it's surprising but Traveler has no records in Irminsul. But if memories were only passed to Irminsul upon death there'd be no difference between Traveler having no records there and any native of Teyvat. So it's clear that memories are continuously transferred. On the other hand when it comes to Mavuika and Tenoch's little chat you insist it's just memories and he isn't dead yet. While I agree that his memories are transferred to Irminsul while alive, the fact is we've never seen a "memory ghost" of anyone who's still alive except for a small number of odd exceptions. Let me see. The little girl memory ghost in the Chasm who turns out to be a memory ghost of a young woman who's alive and well in Liyue Harbor. Is the exception due to the presence of Abyssal energy? or the Nail? Hmm. Well now I can't think of another exception. Perhaps that's the only one. But in the case of Mavuika all the other people she talks to are dead. It's certainly not just her memories.
So we're not told Natlan has no Ley Lines. Mavuila says, "Unlike the other nations, Natlan never had stable and deep-rooted Ley Lines, so we suffered the worst of the invasion." I'm not sure about "never had" since presumably it dates from the Irminsul in Natlan being burned down by Nibelung during the war with the 2nd Who Came. But that is a long time ago and essentially "since recorded history began" because of the loss of history of times before that war, during the brief period of barbarism after the war and the fall of the Seelie (envoys) and before the arrival of the gods. No Ley Lines is quite different from weak Ley Lines in as much as presumably the former allows for new Ley Lines to be created and the latter does not. But I could see them ignoring the difference too. Can't say for sure. Presumably the whole memories thing is the aspect where the Night Kingdom subs for the Ley Lines, which makes it unknown if the Night Kingdom also has most of Natlan's elemental energy running through it.
@@ShadowXImpact An envoy is an envoy from some specific person, in this case that person is the Primordial One. So the PO can't be any sort of envoy from themselves. You'd have to hypothesize and entire upper layer of godhood that sent the PO as an envoy and isn't ever referenced in the game elsewhere. Envoy as a word consistently stands in for the Seelies so far. I could see you trying to stretch it to mean a Shade but they've never been referred to that way so far either.
"The Pyro dragon is not Nibelung. Xbalanque said, after he defeated the sovereign, that Natlan will face a major destruction event that not even the dragon king will be able to help them fight against, so Nibelung is a whole different entity"
Xbalanque doesn't really say anything and he's long dead. So what are you referring to? The only quote we have is the Neuvillette into but that doesn't mention anything about a dragon king. At any rate do you think the first mural depicts Nibelung and the second depicts the Pyro Sovereign? And if you think the Pyro Sovereign wasn't Nibelung where does it get it's FK from seeing as Apep couldn't find any?
Well the reason I ignore your so-called evidence that the Sage is the Sacred Lore is because the text describes them entirely differently. Different species. Different personality. Different ideology / goals. One is crazy / wicked the other is the wise benefactor. They have nothing in common. You claim that Chaac got the secret of fire from the Sage and then turned right around and killed him because he instantly became crazy. "Having mastered the majestic primal fire, fearless Chaac and his companions at last defeated that raging, wicked dragon". It's like you want to assume every dragon mentioned is the same dragon.
There's nothing about Chaac RECONNECTING to any pre-existing Night Kingdom, nor of any Shade, or anything, else creating it. In effect it doesn't exist before the birth of the first Wayob after Chaac's death. You're just speculating without basis.
"The tribes were NOT founded in Chaac's time, only the first tribe"
What would lead you to believe they are founded at different times? You're the one saying heroic teams come in sixes throughout Natlan's history and yet when it comes to Chaac's companions you just say naaah they can't be from the other tribes like every other iteration because only one tribe existed back then, because I say so.
"I've ALWAYS said the the Envoy Age ENDED with the descent of the nails"
So what happens to Sal Vindagnyr's Seelie then? It never had one. If it had one why isn't it's sudden disappearance when the Nail falls, mentioned?
I feel hesitant to compliment you in this because you pushed yourself a bit too hard to complete it maybe? However this is your best video yet
@@CarlosAnglada what do you mean I pushed myself too hard to complete it? Though, thanks, I'm happy you liked it!!!
But seriously, I don't know what you meant by that
@@ShadowXImpact , I was under the impression you were struggling with spasms and back pain while completing this. I could be mistaken. About “what could happen to people when cut off from Irminsul,” I feel we get a hint during the Vision Hunt Decree, when people are stripped of their visions
@@CarlosAnglada I am actually still in pain, it hasn't gone away yet and it's probably because we literally went from summer to winter in less than an hour, exactly when I released this video, by the way....
As for Irminsul burning, I think there's a difference between the leylines and the visions. The leylines are about memories, while the visions are about ambitions, so I fear the result of Irminsul burning will be drastically worse
Nonono there is no way Andersdotter was from Natlan. Her name was ANDERSDOTTER for gods sake! That is scandinavian. She is a reference to the danish author Hans Christian Andersson. So she will be either from Mondstadt or Khaenriah. Most likely Khaenriah since she has the same "dotter" as Rhinedotter who was from Khaenriah too. Genshin is somewhat good at using proper names for each region. Not always but they try.
You shouldnt equate the looks of the statues with the witches actual looks, they all do look the same after all, but foremost Simulanka is meant to give us foreshadowings for Natlan, not the witches.
By the way, Xbalanque is Mavuika. Also, people dont inherit any appearance. Look at Mavuikas portrait, she look like her older self and we definitively know that was before she became the Archon.
And "Granny" Citlali was actually wrongly translated. The true word is "Elder". "Elder" is usually for age yes but its also a position of power and younger people can be elders in that sense.
@@Sakuyamon so, it makes sense to you that Andersdotter may be from Khaenri'ah, but somehow she's the only Khaenri'ahn who didn't got cursed and was able to die of old age, but not from Natlan because her last name is Andersdotter despite the tribal designs on the statues, that conveniently need to be ignored even though the statues of the witches look nothing alike, and also despite the little witch (that is Andersdotter) coming from the western most nation of the continent, and that is ignoring how her name is Anya, which is Russian, but you certainly didn't think she might have been from Snezhnaya, and we don't know what her middle name was.
But let's also ignore Caribert's name sounding nothing like a Khaenri'ahn name.
Also, Simulanka didn't give us foreshadowing about Natlan alone, it's more than clear that it hinted at multiple things, the most obvious one being Durin's revival that has nothing to do with Natlan, even despite him being a dragon.
But I'm not here to convince you of anything, so we'll wait and see
Please Shadow, you're distracting me with your Diluc in basketball outfit! I can't understand the lore XDD
At the end i don't understand, what element is the saurians of Chasca and Citlali tribes? Anemo and Cryo?
@@Kynokefalos well, I can't do much about Diluc, but I think the Flower Feather Clan is Pyro (I mean, the Qucusaurs are Pyro Saurians) while the Masters of the Night Wind are Anemo, so the Tatankasaurs are anemo Saurians.
@@ShadowXImpact But Chasca is anemo and they're flying riders of the Qucusaurs! And Citlali is cryo :C
Also you said to me a time ago that the pyro element is in all tribes and saurians, not in the Flower Feather clan. I think you're right because for an image from the archon quest with the wheel of the 6 tribes, in the center there is the pyro symbol.
And the Tatankasaurs are the ones from Iansan tribe XD, the electro tribe. That name screams Tryceratops a lot :P
@@Kynokefalos except for the fsct that Ngobou is Pyro and it's a Qucusaur. I also said that the Saurians' colors represent their element, which is what ranjit told us about, and the Qucusaurs are red.
Also, I don't think that each tribe will only have visions of that specific element, it would be really bad and sad if every Geo character was from the Children of the Echoes and so on.
For the wheel, the center one represents the Archon, the sun, so it's the Pyro symbol, but it wouldn't make sense if the land of Pyro didn't have Pyro Saurians, don't you think?
As for every Saurians having pyro, yes that's still kinda true, except it's not pyro they have, it's Phlogiston, an ancient and primordial form of Pyro, it's different
@@Kynokefalos yeah, sorry, I meant the Iktomisaurs. My brain is not functioning today XD
@@ShadowXImpact Well, you're right, also i know the element of Ororon for a leak. But with Kachina and Xilonen you could see a pattern. Also Ngobou and a normal qucusaur...XDD, thats an ABYSS of difference! Not even Kongamato dared to go that far in his evolution!
Wait, are you the gamer chronicles? I just CAN'T remember your older name
@@omivalfilho143 gamer chronicle? I was ShadowX5452 Gaming. I made a post, well two now, in the community tab to help with the transition and the old name is in the logo at the beginning of this video
I'm not ganna lie, i ignored this video like 20 times because i didn't recognise the youtube chanel 💀
Anyways, do you have proof for that Och-Kan = Waxaklahun Ubah Kan thing? cause the world quest clearly showed that Waxaklahun was very much PRO human Saurian coexistance while Och-Kan was the polar oposite.
@@bencegergohocz5988 yeah, I made two posts in the community tab to help with the transition and I chanced the name 8 hours before the video while leaving the old logo so that people would see that something was off and realize I changed the name.
I can't do much more that that
Copy pasted from my comment on r/Genshin_Lore: In addition to the in-game texts, what solidified for me that WUK/SotSF and Och-Kan/Sacred Lord/Python King are one and the same was that Waxaklahun Ubah Kan (the War Serpent) is a name for Kukulkan, the serpent deity of Maya mythology, during the Classic Period, and has also been identified as the Postclassic version of the Vision Serpent (a conduit between the physical/spirit realms and life/death) of Classic Maya art. Och-Kan, lord of Kalak'mul, was one named Vision Serpent.
@@ruetherford2911 yeah, this is the one time I didn't rely on mythology to explain something in my video, but as you discovered, even mythology confirms that the sage and the python king are the same "person", although, I mean, the massive mural shows the sage being a serpent dragon humanoid being, so that should have been more than enough, and yet, I noticed there are people who believe they're different beings because of their different approach to humanity, as if someone can't change their minds and as if it wasn't clearly stated the Python King had been corrupted by the Abyss....
what was ur name before i legit don't know even tho i recognise ur voice so i know i'm a regular here
@@Tzahr it's ShadowX5452 Gaming. If you go to the community tab, I'll be posting about the changes, reminding people the old channel name for the next week or so
@@ShadowXImpact sorry for not remembering I really do like your videos 🙏
@@Tzahr don't worry about not remembering, it's clear that not many were able to remember the old name at all. It was easy for me because it made sense, those numbers have a meaning to me and basically just another viewer who knew what they were, but for everybody else, that was simply too hard, so it's okay
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I’m sorry but I strongly disagree with you on the archon statues
the statues of the seven in every description says that it sculpted in the image of so and do archon not first archon or that archon just simply the archon in general with inazumas statue it actually resembles ei more due to her hair having a braid but mokoto had a different hairstyle but if the archon statue changed depending on the person who still holds the title then it would make sense why the current archon statue of inazuma looks like ei because it’s sculpted in the image of her, it sculpted in the image of the electro archon not mokoto but just the ekectro archon in general for nahida i don't really have any concrete evidence for her but for fontaine I'm sorry, but it's quite obvious in the image of folcslors you're saying that the statue has the tall female model, but thats just wrong firstly because if you compare folcalors statue of the seven it’s the same size as ventis or ei’s and yet all of the are bigger then the archons when you compare them another thing is that folcalors hair is the same as the hydro statue of the seven she has split hair in the back just like the statue and furina also has this detail as well not to mention her bangs and front hair are the same but if you see the depiction of the first Hydro archon egeria you can barely clearly see the difference between them for one she has a side hair and bangs similar to that of ei and two the mural also shows furina weeping on her throne and it’s a near perfect description of what she looks like down to the hair and cloths and she’s folcalors human self she’s her physical body but if you compare the look of the hydro statue of the seven it doesn’t look anything like Egeria the hair isn’t similar at all and egeria in the mural is shown to have more boob (wish I didn’t have to resort to that) sure you can just say it’s because of the vale hiding her hair but ventis has a hood and you can still see his braids and ei’s statue also has a headdress as well, and you can still see her distinct hair style being the same as her current appearance mokotos hair is also shown in a cutscene in inazuma to be shorter then ei’s while the statue of the sevens hair is near its feet like ei’s ergo it’s depicted in the image of her because of wait she’s the electro icon she’s the one that holds the title to sum it all up the archon statue of the seven reflect that of the person who is the current one holding the archon seat not the originals appearance because if that was the case then the descriptions of the statues of the seven would say “ formed in an image of the original so and so archon” not “ sculpted in the image of the archon” because it doesn’t specify who it just says the archon which means that it sculpted in the image of who becomes the archon and sure ye the hydro archon throne is destroyed so that would technically mean the statue has to be destroyed but if that’s the case then the geo archons statue shouldn’t be showing any archon at all because zhonglis retired from the title even his own familiar sense that he is no longer the geo archon which means he no longer holds the power of the archon any more so that kind of defeats your theory I’m not really sure why natlans statue of the seven depicts mavuika despite it being that way even before she returned to archon hood but it definitely has something to do about her being the strongest Pyro archon in natlan that even the elders are impressed by her strength also kind of interesting how Dane refers to the Pyro Arcchon mavuika as “the god of war” yet she appears to have a demon name and says she’s a human I’m not exactly sure why dain refers to her as a god But I do have a theory that it’s possible she might be the only pyro archon in natlan to ascend to godhood idk how and why but it seems plausible it feels like hoyo is intentionally trying to make it clear that she is a human yet in the travail they say she’s a god I guess you could say it’s because dains never been to natlan and such and such but I’m not convinced he’s traveled to the seven nations before with our sibling, so he most likely knows that there’s never been a God in natlan and knows that the archons have only ever been human which is why I find it so interesting on why he refers to her as the god of war it just doesn’t make sense to me It could be that he’s saying that she’s a God because she’s one of the seven who are also gods but then again there’s a difference between having God like power and actually being a god the difference of it is one word “divinity” hoyo is going to keep up with the trend of the archons being gods no doubt since the archons whole deal is the fact that they are gods so I wonder if mavuika my ascent to godhood in the end of natlans chapter They’re not being any gods in natlan could have something to do with the land lines or maybe they don’t but idk she’s definitely the strangest of the bunch but once we actually know her lore it’s gonna be easier to understand I mean, I even even had a theory about furina being a false archon and that the true archon was in the oratrice and it turned out right but in a different circumstance
Also, for the last two heroes that can help mavuika I think it could be a equal possibility of chasca and ifa being the chosen hero’s for natlan but for the masters of the night went considering that the hero from 500 years ago of the masters of the Nightwind foresaw his death I think it could be a high possibility that Citlali could be one of the chosen hero’s but we do see that she doesn’t really seem like she’s the fighting type or that she wants to be bothered so I guess it could be ororon but we just had to see it kind of depends on whole more important to the story
@@isaiahhaley4816 I will have to reply tomorrow because the post is too long and I literally can't keep my eyes open right now. I was sure that you wouldn't have even considered that theory, it was obviously coming, and I'm clearly not going to try to convince you otherwise, that would be pointless. Anyway, I'll read and reply tomorrow
@@ShadowXImpact ok that’s cool
@@isaiahhaley4816 Yeah, so saying that it resembles the Archon but not specifically the original one, means nothing, because it also doesn't specify the current one, so there you have it, the same "proof" you're using, can be easily used to deny your theory.
Ei's hairstyle is also not really useful, because we only saw Makoto once, and she still has the same braid. It's slightly different, but the statue also doesn't look 100% like any of the two gods, it's not a perfectly faithful representation, so that also can't be used as proof. Also Makoto wears a braid, too.
And here we are again with Focalors and Furina's hair. The mural doesn't show Egeria's hair, she has a veil, so you don't know her hairstyle beneath it. There is no "clear" difference whatsoever. Even the whole bangs thing is not useful, we're talking about a mural that depicts, morneor less, what Egeria looked like, it's not a portrait. You have no way to actually state so confidently that the statue looks nothing like Egeria because we still don't know what Egeria looks like for real. Let's keep it real. Even with her breast, just because you can barely see some shape on the mural when she's shown on the side, she's skidding on the floor, so even if she had the smallest breast possible, the clothes would have still folded that way.
What about venti? He has braids to the front, he doesn't have flowing hair to the back, of course you would see his hair, that doesn't make sense at all.
Again, you're repeating what you wrote at the beginning. The description also doesn't say that it depicts the current Archon, so it means nothing.
That makes no sense. Zhongli "retired" but he's still the Archon and the throne still exists, so why would his statue disappear? He's neither dead nor is he really not the Archon anymore. It's just the people from Liyue that now believe not to have an Archon anymore. He CLEARLY still has the power of the Archon, what exactly makes you think he lost his powers? So, no, that doesn't defeat my theory at all.
Dainsleif calling her the God of War may not be useful anymore. Dawei said that he completely changed everything about Natlan because what they had, wasn't satisfactory anymore, so the older videos may be unreliable right now. She has a demon name, but we, as people of the earth, know that those are demon names from the Ars Goetia, they have been picked to let us know if a god or an entity has a bigger role in the game, but the Ars Goetia doesn't exist in Teyvat, those are simple names that they have. In the reality of Teyvat, those are not demon names.
Dainsleif should have been to Natlan with Lumine, they went all over Teyvat. Again, like before, they changed Natlan's lore in the last few months, and that may be the reason why there's no god in Natlan now. It could be that he sees her as a God because she ascended to archonhood, which is a kind of God anyway, that's true, but I still think that the Travail video takes place after the journey ended, so if the writers want to keep Mavuika being a God somehow, then maybe she will become one in some kind of way by the end of the Archon quest. How? I can't foresee what they may come up with in this case, Natlan is too complicated, so they can literally do whatever they want and it would still make sense...
As for the last two heroes, we'll have to wait and see. I think I might be right, though, especially about Ororon
@@ShadowXImpact egeria clearly has shown hair in the mural specifically her bangs which are much significantly different than folcalors and yet folcalors has the same bangs as shown in the statue of of the seven I just don’t get why you can’t comprehend the fact that the statues of the seven represent the seven in general it’s supposed show the sevens protection over the world which means that if you’re part of the seven, then the statue will change to depict you because you are the archon and zhongli is not the archon anymore he literally said it himself, even his familiar azdaha said he doesn’t sense he is the geo archon anymore so your just wrong on that part I just don’t understand why for you it’s so hard to believe that the statues depicted the current seven I mean if you really think about it, what would it make for the statues to depict the original? The people can still honor the first archons of teyvat in many other ways so there’s no need for the statues at the seven to depict the original, especially since we already have two original archons that look nothing like the current the first pyro archon was a man yet natlans statue of the seven depicts a women that is mavuika and the game showed the mural of egeria and if you compare her to the statue of the seven, she looks looks nothing like it she has bangs that are very clearly different and a side hair that is seen to be a different hair style I’m not talking about the rest of her back hair. I’m talking about her front hair and it looks nothing like the statue of the seven even the electro statue of the seven shows ei’s front hair at this point i feel like your being so overly delusional of the “the statues reflect the og archon” because genshin has confirmed that two archon don’t look like the current and you still believe in that theory for some reason even if the mural doesn’t have an accurate description of Egeria, we never really got to see what she look like. That was a glimpse of how she looked you can see that she had darker hair then folcalors and different bangs then her that resemble more like ei’s bangs then folcalors at this point your just being delusional I’m not trying to be disrespectful, but like it’s blatantly obvious that the statues of the seven reflect the current archons because they’re the ones that hold the archon title the reason nobody writes abt the statues of the seven changing is because it’s simply nothing to really care about or anything noteworthy to look into especially since for the last 500 years they’ve never changed because the archon gods from their land were already chosen 500 years ago the game is do obviously saying without saying the the statue of the seven reflects the current ruling archon but you just can’t seem to accept it so I would like to say again that that same mural you know the one that you said didn’t make an accurate depiction of egeria made the same depiction of furina and would you look at that? Her hair style is the same as what we see in her official appearance even the same as the statue of the seven in Fontaine
Also, I don’t think what dain says is just useless anymore I think it might actually still hold some ground especially since they’ve been coming up with teyvats story since the beginning it’s very likely possible that some of their idea of how to do it might’ve changed but even with all the new changes it still hold some ground to what dain says the travail gives us a glimpse into each nation story not saying too much and not saying too little only saying the most important parts which is why? I still believe mavuika is a little odd I don’t hate the idea of their being multiple pyro archons but if that’s the case then that just destroys everything we’ve known since before natlan There’s a voice line abt venti calling the Pyro Arcon, a wayward war mongering wretch but when we actually get to meet mavuika she’s like the only archon who’s ever actually given us a warm welcome maybe he’s referring to past archons but it wouldn’t make sense for him to be talking about a past archon when it would make more sense to just refer to the current but that’s just me
I find it really interesting that natlan doesn’t have any laylines or just has a huge lack of leylines I wonder if mavuika has a plan to bring leylines into natlan to save the nation it’s very likely she’s going to sacrifice herself in order to save the nation but I’m just not sure how their gonna do it
@@isaiahhaley4816 hey, watch your tone. "I just don't get why you can't comprehend the fact that..." go on with that way of speaking as if you held the truth and you can't understand why other people are stupid, and I'm not going to reply anymore.
If you hold the truth in the palm of your hand as if you were one of the writers, then how come the statue never changed every single time a new Archon appeared? Why did Kachina find it odd that the statue looks like Mavuika? If it changes every single time, then it would obviously look like her.
No, I'm not wrong in the slightest. Zhongli stopped acting like the Archon, he's letting his people do their own thing, but until he dies and a new one is picked (just like Ningguang or Keqing said), he is still the Archon whether he likes it or not.
What does it even mean that the people can still honor the original Archon in other ways so the statue can change? It's a statue, why would it change in the first place? Why has no one ever seen it change at all? Especially in Natlan where the Archon change every 70 years give or take! A person who was born when the Archon was 50 year old, would have clearly seen the statue change when a new one appeared, and yet people think it's a coincidence that the statue looks like Mavuika, so it has never changed.
I'm not even going to talk about the fact that Xbalanque wasn't the Archon during the Archon War, that would be pointless to discuss with you, really.
Again with the mural of Egeria, how many times are you going to talk about it throughout the post? Yes, she has bangs. Is that a portrait of Egeria? If that perfectly depicts her, then she wouldn't have a face, right? Are we ignoring the fact that the mural depicts Egeria millennia BEFORE the Archon War? Are we ignoring the fact that Zhongli has a LOT of hair on his face when he was shown when he retrieved Azhdaha and that he has patterns on his body, while his statue has few hair on the face and has no patterns? So is that not Zhongli on the statue?
Okay, I'm not replying anymore. I read and write as I go, but you're not calling me delusional. Who the hell do you think you are? Learn some respect and grow up, only then, when and if you'll ever be able to hold a civil conversation as a mature person, will I reply again. The audacity to insult people to assert one's mind is so immature, not even a small child who doesn't know better, would rely on that to try and be right
awesome! i always made the joke that elden ring lore people have such sophisticated names like thetarnishedarcheologist. and genshin lore ppl are more often named smthn like gamingx26253 but no longer true letsgo :D
@@flutterflutter5500 I wouldn't know about Elden Ring content creators, it's not a game that I play, so I never looked for content about it, but I've never seen a Genshin Impact content creator with that kind of name, except for me! XD
@@ShadowXImpact ah i see i guess most elden ring creators have elden ring relate names. while genshin ccreators have uniqe unconected names.👍