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- Skills tests are an industry assessment of occupational competence taken by apprentices who wish to practice in their relevant craft. They demonstrate that apprentices have the level of competence and productivity expected by the industry.
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I did this more than 30 years ago. Completely fucked the roof up so I walked out and went to the nearest pub.
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😂😂😂
they should teach you this in high school.. basic skills goes a long way
Carpentry (woodwork) was taught at high school level 15 years ago, I don't think that has changed. However, it was alongside courses such as I.T, Electronic Products, food technologies, textiles etc.
I mistakenly took Electronic Products, worse decision I made, such a waste.
Absolutely. My son did dt but it was nothing really noteworthy.
Been doing carpentry and joinery for over 40 years never took a test and never been out of work just love my work
Proof is in the pudding lol. Good one!!
Testing to become a carpenter? I didn't realize that was a thing.....I just watched my father and bam, I was a carpenter. lol
Robert Caldwell it's a "thing" if you want a qualification. Training is still done on the job in the "watch your dad" style with apprentices attending college one day a week. It's always been that way and still is. Today it's NVQ in my day it National Certificate but that gives you the theory input which tested to see if you meet criteria, as here. The practical input is learned on site.
But the fact that you haven’t got any proper qualifications, it makes you liable for any injuries or deaths
Robert Caldwell exactly the same mate, always on jobs with him. Did one day a week college when I left school as i went straight away with him. Taught me well.
It's just another government scam
For real bro we come with skill lol HANDS ON BBY
Why are a bunch of Americans watching a video of a British training scheme and commenting on why you wouldn't need to do it in the US? I did a similar scheme in the UK 35 years ago and it's kept me employed ever since.
I don't even do carpentry why am I watching this at 2am?
Got me worried for a test I'm not even talking 😂
Peppa Pug ha ha it's got me nervous and I passed all this like 10 years ago
Better than getting drunk and buying shit on Amazon that you don't need...
This was definitely a fun thread of comments
Carpenters skill test, here have some outdated tools no one ever uses anymore, that'll test your skills
6 months on a job site and you can learn most of this while getting paid. And you'll be better in the long run because you don't have a staged perfect scenario to work off of.
Preach. How many times have I worked with a completely leveled wall? Fucking never lol
@@Guywithair2 Haha. Me either.
You do realise that you do your apprenticeship over 4 years and most of the time is spent on site? This is just a final test.
@@Guywithair2 come work on the houses i frame, laser lever dont lie 😂😂 , i saw a crew once in a subdivision pluming walls with a torpedo and a straight 2x4, them mfks got fired 😂😂😂
Can't be apprentices, I didn't see any on their phones!
LoL that is very true
Nice lol
Lame stereotype
1spore2 it’s not a stereotype it’s a joke you 17 year old
Lol 6am
Based on the fact I see almost no powered tools or any typical jobsite equipment, I'm assuming at "graduation" your handed some overalls, a straw hat, and a corncob pipe?..
Just a hammer
My dad owns a construction company and yes I'm the oldest female out of 9 brothers and 6 sisters I have a passion about building things from the ground up god help me make my dreams come true 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
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Kind of proud I can do all of these things but never received formal training. It is just a hobby of mine.. plus owning a home, shit breaks.
It’s ok doing things it’s doing things to a professional standard that’s the point here
People, people, people.. some weren't born into a family that had someone who worked in said trade, and it's hard trying to find companies that will hire without SOME experience. Most won't give you a chance, even if you might have a better work ethic than someone who has had experience, therefore leaving them no other choice than to try and go to school for it. It's either that or work another dead end job that you hate.
Screw the class, hire in as labor, outperform the next guy or girl and you will succeed, not that damn complicated, people will teach you if you have good work ethics, hell, in today's world, they will love you if you have good work ethics, probably will want to adopt you and shit.
This is true. Started on a job as labourer for 2 days, ended up working there as carpenter and decorator for a month, and loads of work from friends of client. If you're not rubbish at what you do you will succeed.
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Have a basic idea of the steps in the process of whatever you're doing and bring able to think ahead to make sure things go smoothly not having to have babysit and show the every do and don't to keep from hurting them self or someone else... That sounds like a good start to a good safe informed worker. I would do Ike to develop a VR simulator kinda program first instead of on the job give em a place they can't shoot a nail thru a finger or a foot while stepping off a man left on to a roof with a finger on the trigger or rip a board and then grab it behinds the saw pinch the blade and cut some fingers off. All things I've seen some kids do if ya say you know what your doing or ya got it ya get to show what ya got and if you just watched a few videos online and think you got everything mastered it can back fire in really bad ways sometimes anyways baptist by fire that's how I got started at 15 my uncle's a Mexican Mexican tho he wouldn't let this white boy have a easy go dude made me who I am and I'm almost 35 running circles around em dunning kruger kids showing up think they gonna just make a paycheck haha nah u earn that buddy.... Anyways I hate babysitting is my point
When he said "craftsperson" I rolled my eyes and left.
Aglarend But you didn't though, did you?
I actually did, lol. Only back here because of the recent response.
Aglarend i did the same. i thought this was a master carpenter video
You mean, rolled your eyes, typed that comment then left. Then came back for the "recent response", then came back to answer this comment, then left.
Fred Garvin, he meant what he wrote. Everything you added is common sense.
Apprenticeship was so long ago I didn't have to do this for my qualifications!
Had to do something similar to get a VISA to work in Australia though
I don't mean to sound like an ass, but anyone can hang a square door within a square frame. No building is perfect.
Classic Work They always seem to show perfect stuff on TV, I'd love them to come to my house and try their TV perfectness LOL.
Classic Work but they made the frame square in a different part of the exam. true, typically you're not going to take out the whole frame/jamb to adjust it to square. but yeah, they could make a skewed frame for the test, make them hang the door, scribe the frame, then go 2 mm in.
+youllregretit No they didn't The jig they are using is welded square and the lumber they attached before the test is square. All these shits had to do was put some shims in to an already perfectly square opening frame. That isn't what you will find on a home that is being built with lumber that isn't hand chosen and perfect. Its a whole other ball game trying to put a square and level finished frame into an out of square and out of level (usually both ways) rough frame. It's the same with the base molding. And I would have sent that kid home if he showed up wearing shoes like that and didn't even have them tied , i\like in the video. He would have a nail in his foot in no time and would be twisting an ankle with those loose as hell sneakers.
+Nuckelhedd Jones The jig they are using is welded out of square and the grounds are bowed in or out or both depending on which frame you get allocated. I teach C and J to apprentices as well as run and set out large construction projects. I suppose you were one of those chippies that new it all from day one Nuckelhedd Jones, the kind that gets right on the older guys tits and as a result of the backlash of that you now take it out on the youngsters! Attack is the best form of defense they say! So what you hiding? Give the youngsters a chance and help not hinder them! Only thing I agree about with any of the posts is the lacing of the boots but I feel this wasn't an accurate representation of the stringent Health and safety reg's in the UK, merely an illustration of the youth of today for the light hearted production it was! PPE all the way and H & S! We're not in the dark ages anymore!
+Byron Buxto
good to see kids going to school for this stuff. There are things you wont learn unless you go to school.
why the fuck did I sit through this entire video lol
I wish the US had industry standards at all. Anyone can call themselves a carpenter, and many do. It would prevent a lot of headaches on all sides.
Any one can call themselves a carpenter in the U.K. just to work on big sites now you have to have a ticket to get your site safety card.
Although there isn't as much regulation as other trades its still important to at least be open to the idea of schooling. I come from a long line of carpenters and I took a 1 year carpentry course because the college was close and I had the money for it. Best money I ever spent because it taught me to not have a closed mind and take each day as a chance to learn something new. Sure some people will get out of school and think they know everything, they quickly learn to keep quiet when you give them the blueprints and say hes the leader for today with a crew of guys. They might make it an hour before they come to me asking questions or they learned their lesson. Is it productive to do that? no, but its something I like to do to gauge how someone will be and if I want them working for me. I also took architecture after carpentry and it taught me things I couldn't learn on a jobsite or from my father. I have never seen load calculations or free body diagrams on a job site its always go by the plans and the building code. This knowledge helps me catch things that could be a potential headache later and you have a better understanding of what the engineer is doing and why.
Women should always be welcomed to a trade for those that are serious about it. I have seen women that have out worked all the men on the crew, they don't dick around on their phones or sit and have a smoke break every hour. The old notion of it being to hard for a woman to do this line of work is disgusting. I've seen small guys doing crazy crap where you gotta yell at them to stop, don't need someone hurting themselves. If you are worried about being worn out at an early age you need to work smart, there are some jobs that it will not matter but its the same for both genders.
To many people flood this industry with the notion that because they watched a tradesmen for a few months that they can automatically do it and they don't need to learn anything more. It makes it hard for the real guys that are at the top because shoddy workmanship has become pretty common. Case in point if you look at some of the cookie cutter homes being built you see it.
If you wanna get ahead you should be open to learning new things, cause college boy might know something you don't and the same can be said if the roles were reversed.
they should bring this back in england, as far as im aware skills testing is no longer a part of nvq. some of the young joiners ive come across would struggle to fix anything with a hammer, they all be lost without a chopsaw and nailgun. They all seem to have onsite assessment, which involves them taking pictures of other tradesmen work and passing it off as theirs!!!!
Yes your right! Taking pictures of other people’s work..... bring back city & guilds and scrap price work then trades men can train apprentices
don't think anyone did this test that built my house a few years ago..
Oof
State of some of the new builds
Then they get to the job and don't know how to use a sliding or compound mitre saw, Load a trim nailgun correctly, hook up a compressor, set up a table saw, run a brad nailer or pin nailer, power planer, hinge template, trim or plunge router...So; Basically; they're helpers...NO COMPANIES use hand tools like that...The customer wants it done yesterday for the cheapest price. Of course there are exceptions to the rule but; not on the east coast...:)
I've owned a construction business for over 3 decades in the philly area...We used to have tons of great mechanics to choose from; Now; the good guys want 350 per day minumum, and the other choices aren't worth 80 a day...
Pretty impressive doing them cuts with that junky saw.
They caught me doctoring up my miters.
My old teacher gerry doing the marking.sound fella so he is.listen all the wannabe master carpenters haters hatin. The kids in the test can use power tools out on site but what they are trying to do is teach them the traditional way .the basics. Without power. All yous that are so used to the new dewalts and makita chopsaws and ripsaws would shit a brick if you had to sit this test tomorrow. I sat it in 1998 and finished it in 3 hours .yes it was easy but it taught me a great deal .
Doing a housing program with my first nation. Just started this week and it will be done in July.
Why the fuck is it so difficult to get anywhere in life when everything you want to do is bad? Getting into an apprenticeship, bad. Learning from a company, bad. So which one is it then? Or is being a carpenter pointless? I don't want to go to college but something tells me that it seems like a smarter approach if you choose something that is highly employable.
Never put your finger behind a chisel like that at around 5:20 mins unless you don’t mind doing some damage
Why are they using hand tools? I dont want a guy showing up with a hand saw, smoothing plane, and hand finish nails on my site.
I am interested in the details of your training rigs. Do you have plans or better images you may provide? Of course, in contrast to many that have posted here, I am a true fan in the formal instruction for those interested in obtaining a career in the trades. These people should be thanking you for sending someone out there who has an understanding of what is being asked. Proficiency comes with time but, most business owners do not want to take the time train anyone theses days. Time is money, tools are money, and materials are money; not to mention the soft skills of what it takes to just, "be a responsible employee", either. Thank you for you post; I hope that you can help me with my request as well.
i'm trying to think through how i would do the roof rafter. I could use a bevel t to copy the angle of the corner rafter. its complimentary angle would be the overhang cut. then measure over however much the overhang is decided and make a cut however deep the overhang is decided. the cut is just made 90 deg to the complimentary. now the hard part.. the corner is a 90, and it's bisected equally. from a 2d arial view, that's a 45/45/90. our triangle shares an edge with the phantom one i just mentioned. rafter distance from corner times sq rt of 2 is its hypotenuse. tangent of the beveled angle's compliment is equal to the rafter height(what we're finding), over the hypotenuse we just found (now a leg). because of the 45/45/90, we now have the legs of a right triangle. just use pythagorean theorem to find the distance from your notch to where you start drawing your bevel T angle. the edge angle of our rafter would be found with the opposite tangent of the rafter to corner length over the hypotenuse we just found with pyth theorem. i do some carpentry, but never had a class or a teacher. my dad was a math teacher though, so that's in my blood. i usually make small woodworking stuff, so holding the wood and scribing on scrap is how i would usually do this sort of thing.
youllregretit on second thought, you could just notch it, hold it flush at a higher point, scribe the two lines that define the plane for sawing, and measure with their square held to their tape. just a cut more when scribing the edge, but pretty simple. it's just not as exact.
Try using a SpeedSquare.
youllregretit how would you do the corner rafter talking shite thank f you arent a carpenter ya be months putting up a roof
i don't think you all understand compound angles. a chop saw will do it, but i'm a traditional timber framer type person. I can figure out the engineering needed depending on each species of wood and i can hew the tree. some things need to be figured the old way because you can't stick a log under a chopsaw.
In all my years in construction, 2 things have really ruined it for me. 1)working with no-it-all pessimistic selfish sports-obsessed assholes that are only interested in pushing others down and belittling people especially when it comes to the young ones . 2) the culture of Over-The-Top health&safety/bureaucracy(cscs cards!) /general lack of common sense by foreman/superiors/officials. At the same time you have pen-pushing clueless deck-jockeys in westminster wondering why we aren´t getting enough houses build or enough young british people into the industry. Meanwhile places like china/south america/india are just cracking on with things. they don´t spend 5 years debating a HS2 line. they just build the fuckin thing and thats it. how about we have some of that spirit here?!
I wish it was harder to get onto site for unqualified staff. On my site qualifications, saftey tickets or ability to speak English isn't necessary.
Citb college is a great college I'm very happy thank You.🏘️
Don't learn nothing till your time is out!!
No PPE other than laced but untied steel toe capped boots?... REALLY? AND... Talk about the working standard and finished products being sub-prime...
My thoughts exactly, I couldn't believe what i saw , how hypocritical and amateur were these people.
So, when was the last time you fitted hip jack rafters?
With or without a hierarchy of controls in place? As for my credentials... 37 years construction and current SIIRSM, Grad IOSH and NEBOSH NCC... case closed.
Excellent video.
+Neill Wylie Its a terrible video. there is so many things wrong here it isn't funny. Started with the untied sneakers on a job site where nails and heavy lumber are a real issue. Steel toed boots with a steel plate is the proper gear. And they damn well better be tied. And that kid with the sweatpants needed to tuck those strings in.
And then they go on site and site manager says "I hope those hinge plates are getting router'd in lad!" Good luck on price with those skills.
How much do these independent assessor's earn.? Seems like a sweet gig,
Yes, that's the job I want.
I want to buy that folding scale, tell me from where to buy?????? 8:40
Proper PPE was not used in the beginning of the video
Heck my engineering license took me 8 years to get. This doesn't look that bad.
This video was done in 2014 and there's no air or power tools???
Can anybody help with some of the best tools to get for a joinery apprenticeship
All the qualifications in the world won't make you a good carpenter. You need good work ethic and most of all you need good hands.you can tell by the age of 10 if a kid is gifted at working with their hands.usually people from a farming background make better tradesmen.
I'm a carpenter from iraq. but not building carpenter . just a decorations and mobilia .. How can i get this skills lesson😐
This is in scotland
They demonstrate that apprentices have the level of competence and productivity expected by the industry. gotta be joking right....not even close of what i expect from my apprentice.they should get this done half the time with theire eyes closed
I wanna be a carpenter but my math skills is ass
Don’t need that much u just need a 4 I’m in year 11
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"Craftsperson". Advice to those dozens and dozens of women who dream of becoming a mason or a carpenter: don't. It's simply not for you. Not because your presence is unwanted or because you will be discriminated against on the job. Builders love women just as much as all other men do. The simple fact is that your body will never grow to become as strong or resilient as a man's. It's called "sexual dimorphism", and if you have a problem with that, take your complaint to Charles Darwin. You will not be able to pull your load. Your colleagues will be frustrated with your lacking productivity. You will get a joint or back injury and be forced into another profession or into the welfare system before you hit 40. Don't get into it because you want to prove something, because you will only end up proving me right.
robslifting4life lol what offended you most about his comment? The part where he's correct? lmao
It wasn't Darwin, it was God. He created man and woman.
Slaphappy Duplenty this is right for the most part, I've seen a few butch women be good at carpentry working, not many though.
Slaphappy Duplenty, That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard, I've got a Lady on my Crew who outperforms every Man I have, She is all business all the time, while the guys are all about pissing contests and flipping their hammers in the air like dipshits, She keeps their asses in line and working, She does all the cutting and layout, while the grunts tote lumber and nail, mostly because they don't have a clue how to do it, Some Women perform just as well as Men or better, You are an ignorant ass who has no clue about the real world, You should leave the comments to the people like myself who have buried 36 years framing houses and have had many women work for me, actually prefer them, so good luck with your bullshit agenda, hoping to lessen the competition for your impotent ass. Now go ahead and talk some more shit and I will just put you in your place like all the other punk ass guys I deal with every day of the week.
I live in scotland, and i've met quite a few joiner dudes here, and to be honest not only they are quite bad at what they do, but also pretty dumb. I've never met a girl joiner though so can't compare. Yes I agree that a professional man who loves his job will most likely outperform a professional woman who loves her job, and thats because of physical capabilities, but in general, most of the joiners in UK are dipshits who dropout of uni and are too dumb or not motivated enough for anything else, so they can't outperform a woman that loves the job.
good company,,,, am all carpenter
Shocking to think that hanging a door or fitting a mortice latch/latch set is considered being a craftsperson and that it is even on a FINAL test after 4 years of training. 4 years is supposed to be an Honors degree standard equivalent. This is laughable. The only decent part of the final test was the canopy. No wonder true carpentry skills are Dead.
Photo ID so if you do not have a drivers licence or a passport you are not eligible to take the test? is this fair?
does everwhere have this test ?
No safety googles ? Nice test
Google isn't safe!
Nicole Davis lol Google
+Nicole
how far do you lean your head in to drill a hole? Coz I think you're doing it wrong.
Also. Safety goggles*
Nicole Davis hello
This guy is no Door hanger but hats off, seat cuts are way to deep don't know how much I can watch, my dad started in 1946 I started in 76 at the age of 27 I was running a Crew framing homes
65,000 a week payroll, I got in at the right time when they opened the border and pushed out the unions wish we had TRUMP back then I wonder what it would be like now, got out of the framing industry in 2004 and have not looked back got to a point where I was ready to drop a super. building inspectors I still work on there houses
No prob , there's no room for the white guy out there at least in CA
Hand tools, really? That's just not realistic.
Been a fully qualified joiner now for 17 years… I’d be fucked doing that test now I’m far to used to my luxury tool kit to go back to working with thon shite lol
NI or Scotland ? Thon shite made me laugh
yet another blow for the working class
Jonathan Ord what?
Got some build cabin videos in my recommendation list so I search carpentry and click this one
I did an 8 week course to get a lv2 city and guilds diploma in site carpentry with access training. All i need to do is gain employment then complete 6 assesments in order to get the nvq lv2. I have to film myself doing it.
Problem is, I CANT GET EMPLOYMENT WITHOUT A FUCKING QUALIFICATION!
PAYED 4.5K aswell.
@@alexmack5019 do not give access training any money. Best bet, go to college
did you ever become a carpenter?
@@jingkulian8776 no
There’s handy men and real carpenter most don’t know the diffrence. Union trades are only thing that’s worth it otherwise do somthing else because every border jumper does construction it ruined our trades
done all that except played with the birds mouth..rafters.. is that it?? for what first year i guess ?? looks pretty easy :)
No power in Scotland?
Good day sir, my name is Ugochukwu Achibiri from Nigeria. Please how can I gain employment in your company, I operate concrete batching plant, I have 7years of experience.
Each test centre is different. My friend walked in, got if for free (ewpa) walked out 30minutes later. They had the certificate waiting as they new he was coming.£££££££££££££££££
fixit a piece of paper might help get you a job. Your abilities are what keep it. I’ve had quite a few licence carpenters work for me who knew less than guys that worked for me for two years. Find a good carpenter to learn from. Pay attention.
Very good
In a real site you would have a sliding miter saw and have this done stupid fast.
It is interesting
Do the canopy members have to be cut with a hand saw or can you bring a chop saw
What I was thinking
its all done by hand mate
Is there good money in carpentry? What's the pay like for starting and experienced carpenters
rubbish for the level of skill you must have. go be a plumber
Illuminaties Pizza good but every time u go to another company u start over until u show ur knowledge and capabilities
Don’t do carpentry fucks up ur back
Who in the fuck cuts skirting 45s with a hand saw. And if I left any doors hinge bound like that if be kicked off site lol.
How long time during test? To do all
i wouldgive them a c for not having the proper tools their way to slow
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funny the way they handle plan manually handling tools, they all apprentice
Why isn't he using skill saw rather than hand saw
Kyle Outen so they learn to do things without power tools .and we don’t have skill saws here
Kyle Outen doing the birds mouths on rafters is easier with a hand saw, or a combination power saw and hand saw
or just put it on the cnc...
carpentr is a good job or not?
Wow so thats how you pull your tape to measure...no tool belt?
Great college 🏘️🏗️🏘️🏘️
3:33
When steroids control the pencil.
Coping saw for proper skirting
Pre hung doors pre built roof trusses pre built wall units. ..I hate chiseling.
Cool
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ahaaa Put them in a remodel of house from the early 1900's we will see what skill set they have.
Daniel cyr show me your trade license and you can tell me all about it champ
ahaaaaa I have one and over 30 years of experience
Daniel cyr cool story bro - so there’s a lot of 50 yr old men who watch utube let alone know how to reply to comments. If you’re going to lie at least make it plausible
ok you win . I think you just want to argue . I don't need to explain myself to you. I simply made a comment and I can back it up. Lots of guys cannot hang s door in an old house let alone a new one it takes time to hang a good door, Properly shimmed with good margins and not hinge bound . Ok bro what is you skill set
Daniel cyr licensed carpenter, 10 Years in. Went to trade school like the lads in the video - worked on 1900 and older houses when I was a first year apprentice. Don’t like seeing know it alls talk shit when they probably aren’t even licensed. I can hang a door in any house, however these days pre hung doors are more popular cause they save labour - I charge $45 an hour so thats why pre hungs are economical when I’m doing a job.
I love capentry but i m doing something else
Dear admissions carpenter cures
this looks so easy
I love scottish accents
No school and nothing but I do it with closed eyes hhhhj
Sir i am carpentar
video perfecto
Hola me gustaría entrar en contacto ya que me dedico a preparar a profesionales /// Hello, I would like to get in touch since I am dedicated to preparing professionals
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I did this years ago
The way this kids grab a hammer they won’t even make it into a job like this. At least I wouldn’t hire them. Idgaf if they know the book work or know how to cut stupid shit like that. Show me something that’s actually going to be useful.
i should get into the film industry instead