Greatest MTG Shuffle Cheaters Caught on Camera
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- Greatest MTG shuffle cheaters caught on camera featuring Trevor Humphries, Jared Boettcher, and sleight of hand by Jon Elden.
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LIKE if you think the rules should be updated to force players to cut the deck after shuffling!
Banish them all to the shadow realm
Absolutely. It’d make cheating harder
Wrote my comment then saw this lol. Such a easy way to combat these scummy players.
The Master has spoken!
WotC: Make it happen!!
I thought that was always the courtesy
Lol at the first guy- “Why does everyone care so much? It’s a card game!”
(Cares enough to cheat at a card game)
Also he's acting like he was sent to prison
I got told not to play my card game :((((((((((( noooooo
Not even told he can't "play" just he can't play at official sanctioned events for cash and prizes, since he's a cheater. He can play against his friends in casual matches all the fucking wants to.
Also: "Boo hoo I'm gonna' sell my entire collection 'cause they won't let me cheat at sanctioned events for 4 years [shoulda' been indefinite!]."
@@MGmirkin I know ! right?!
guess he didn´t want to play if he couldn´t cheat on official tournaments :)
I just don't understand the mentality of cheaters like this.
@@Unforgiven11 It's probably the "high" feeling they'll get when they can pull it off without getting caught that motivates them in doing stuff like that.
I have mastered the art of shuffling my lands to one side and creatures to another. Drives me crazy.
Hahaha yep me too
Sme. This skill even translate when i played online
had an odd shuffle the other night. Somehow ended up with roughly even clumps of lands then nonlands and repeat for the whole deck. So I'd pull nothing but land for several turns (well after when I didn't need any more) before I could start getting anything to play.
In multi color decks, i mastered the art of drawing the exact opposite color lands of the cards i have. It takes true skill
@@anthonymarinucci325 or having something like boros deck and somehow get an opening that make you feel like playing mono red
"I gave in to temptation"
Like it was an impulse decision, and not something he probably practiced and premeditated...
And then getting mad when you get banned for cheating in a sanctioned event, like wtf you think is going to happen you are scamming the event organizers and the participants out of prizes
Yeah, stacking the deck is not something one can just learn to do on the fly. What he did, took a lot of practice so this was not the first time he had done this, for sure.
Yeah... right...
"Gave in to temptation [30 games in a row]."
Sorry, but a **pattern of obvious bad behavior** is not "giving in to temptation [once, even twice]," it's a "lifestyle choice..."
You got spanked for it, move on, apologize or make amends; don't be an whiny crybaby asshole about it.
A million years ago, when I played competitive Magic, I was playing against an opponent who was using a Prosperous Bloom deck. He used colored beads to represent the mana he was generating: green beads for green mana, black beads for black mana, etc....He forgot to get blue mana however, and I just watched him go through all of the motions. When he went to cast Prosperity, I said "Where are you getting the blue mana from?" He just folded his cards on the table and said, "I concede." At that moment, I realized that many players will cheat as far as other players will allow them to do so. If you see something suspicious when you are playing, don't be afraid to call your opponent out.
“Four year sentence, it’s just a card game”
You’re banned from tournaments, not the card game bud.
Dude, he's banned from pro-Magic the CARD GAME, not LIFE itself. He's not ACTUALLY going to prison like a murderer...
@@JJEMTT I can't tell if you're adding to their comment, or trying to correct them? Because.. They said that
"Its just a card game." You decided it was important enough to cheat, so you just played yourself with that statement.
See if poker players would be as nice.
He talks like it's a four year sentence to JAIL lmfao
I remember watching Jared Boettcher do this live and was pissed that it wasn't caught, and I remember the fallout of Humphries doing it. It was so smooth considering he was on camera, there were table judges, and he TALKED to the judge whilst doing it. He was such a whiny baby about it. I ask people to cut if they shuffle. I've explained it, and a lot of the player in my area understand it. I don't present back without cutting. It's a red flag.
Talking (and making eye contact) is part of the misdirection. It keeps their eyes off his hands and it also alleviates suspicion as to “Why is this guy shuffling forever?” Just seems like he’s enjoying the conversation.
I never play tournaments but I'm shocked anyone lets the other play completely take their deck and shuffle and then slide it across the table. I'd be tempted to cut my own deck for them. And for me.
@@42k78 unfortunately cutting your own deck constitutes a reshuffle by the opponent. But it's what the rules say. You present your deck, the opponent shuffles if they so choose, and then gives it back. They don't even have to shuffle if they don't want to and believe you've thoroughly randomized. I haven't had to call anyone on their shuffles yet thankfully, but I've had a guy booted from my LGS because he was shuffle stacking his opponent's deck and got caught. He then proceeded to whine about it, got banned from our store, and then went to another store and OPENLY trashed us. All because he got busted cheating.
Mtg should adopt the same rule as Pokemon. You opponent shuffles your deck? You get 1 cut.
I wouldn't even let my opponent shuffle my deck. They cut the deck. I can't stack crap. Best a player can do is separate lands and non lands so its an even balance and I honestly believe you should be allowed to do that in the first place. I really like online card games where your resources are increased each round and separate from your hand.
@@jfast8256 _"Best a player can do is separate lands and non lands so its an even balance and I honestly believe you should be allowed to do that in the first place."_
That's the silliest thing I have ever heard. Manaweaving should be allowed? And how exactly do you suggest this to work in a fair and balanced way? How exactly would you suggest being able to mana-weave? Allow players to place land cards at any position in the deck they want? How? They take all the lands out of the deck, and then start counting cards from the remaining deck and start placing lands in the positions they want? Or what exactly is it that you are suggesting? Changing the rules of the game drastically to have lands and non-lands in separate decks, pretty much requiring the rewrite the entire rules of the game, and thus creating an entirely new game? (There are tons and tons of cards and rules that would become unfeasible if players had two decks.)
Or are you, perhaps, suggesting that players shouldn't be penalized if they deliberately manaweave during shuffling? And how exactly do you suggest watching out for them to not abuse this permission to stack their deck with other non-land cards that they want? How exactly would you enforce that only land cards are being manaweaved evenly into the deck, and not some other cards? This would also make it a game of skill: Those most skilled at manaweaving would be advantaged over those who don't have the same skill. Are you seriously suggesting that this should become a game of hand dexterity and deck manipulation? The player with the best manaweaving skills should win?
Seriously, that's the silliest (and I'm using the mildest adjective I can come up with) thing I have ever heard. If you don't like land randomness, then go play some other card game that has no land randomness. It's that simple.
@@DjVortex-w Edit: cutting the deck fixes problems with stacking the deck with specific cards.
Most online card games you get 1 mana per turn added to your total. Since I play recreationally, I personally don't mind if my opponent has two stacks, 1 nothing but land and the other everything else. Shuffle each separately and when you're done shuffling, bridge shuffle them together. No reason to mulligan or get stuck with 0 or 7 lands.
Either way doing that is way less punishing silly than letting a cheater who is literally stacking your cards so you get 0 lands.
The point is, MTG has a resource vs utility card problem. There is an easy fix to it and I don't mind people using it.
I'm not saying stack the deck with other useful cards. I expect the deck to be cut, even double cut if the player likes. But I like for BOTH players to not be mana fucked for no reason other than "RNG" or "bad luck". yes I know it's part of the game, but I prefer the game to be more skill based on how well you can build the deck to work with itself vs "well I got mana fucked, so you win. Yep, I got 2 lands out, you have 5, but your hand wasn't flooded with lands"
It's not my fault, you can't imagine a way to shuffle that is both fair and weaves mana in uniformly.
@@jfast8256 You might not mind it, but it just breaks the game, and makes the rules impossible in many regards. It also breaks many cards such as Aven Mindcensor (which main idea is that it hinders the ability to search lands from your library).
The very idea of making MtG a game of dexterity, where your manual skills determine how well you can play, is absolutely ludicrous. You are not talking about MtG anymore. You are talking about something else. Manaweaving is cheating, plain and simple. When your deck should be shuffled, manipulating its contents in any way, shape or form, in a manner that reduces randomness and affects where particular cards end up, is cheating. It's no different than doing the same eg. in poker. (If you did that in poker you would probably be taken to the back alley and beaten up.) If you manaweave, then you are a cheater, plain and simple.
@@DjVortex-w I play D&D far more than I play MtG. We have a lot of house rule that make the game less "not fun". I assure you, everyone I play with that plays MtG, literally does not care about mana weaving. If both sides of the equation are okay with it, it is not cheating. When I allow my players to use homebrew in D&D, they are not cheating.
So I will concede this. Tournaments, perhaps I shouldn't have a say in it. But in non tournament settings where I play, it's it's far from cheating to shuffle your own deck, because everyone prefers it that way. I don't want to play a person who gets 1 land only or nothing but lands. I WANT them to manaweave. They aren't cheating when they do it. But I will concede the fact that okay, in these tournaments, it is.
I like how much the Magic community despise cheaters and are always willing to give out bans quickly.
I love how Trevor deflects to "it's just a card game, I can't believe you care this much about punishing cheaters"
But if it was as unimportant as he claimed, why would he cheat?
Even more, if it's just a card game, then what does it matter if you get suspended from it?
He's right, the card game doesn't matter. He's not even banned from the card game, he can play with his friends any time he likes.
The tournaments are what people care about in this circumstance, and that's what he's banned from.
the thrill of getting caught is exciting, i think,
isn't that why people mostly cheats in the relationship. it's for excitement of course
For the same reason his profile image prominently displays who I can only assume was his girlfriend. He cares about his image and ego, so being banned for cheating bruised that. He's not the "chad MTG player" he wanted people to think he was.
Anyone that has to cheat at any game is a complete loser and scum.
I hate playing with ppl who are constantly fidgety with their hands and cards.
Agreed. However, that is almost everyone in every game I have ever played be it Magic, Yugioh, etc.
Just play 8 Rack. Problem solved!
Hey man I just have shaky hands lol. I've been called out for looking at the deck while I shuffle. The only answer I can give them is that I don't want to drop their deck on the table and floor. Even tho the deck is orientated so I can only look at sleeves, people still think I'm cheating.
Oh wow, Trevor Humphries. Went to my high school, actually played with him. Yeah, he was known as a big cheater, and not just shuffling. Sometimes he'd draw cards or put down lands when you weren't paying attention, lol.
The guy cheated in casual games? What a loser. haha
@@Neelo5000 For sure. We’ve ghosted three players at our LGS for cheating in freaking non EDH league games. We gave them multiple warnings. I don’t care if it’s casual or competitive. Don’t cheat. Have fun and play.
Yep had to deal with them constantly cheating against me in semifinal and final rounds at our LGS. I knew they were doing it too but with them being good friends with the shop owners and not having solid proof, I could never call them out on it.
I figured that if this occurrence was that common at pro-level, I couldn't afford to try and go bigger just to be cheated out like that.
Based
Man reminds me of lunch during high school. It was chaos, had to keep your eye on everyone. This was in 1990s so not really internet . Dark dank Dusty backrooms of card shops anything could happen
Its not just cheating for trevor he spent likely hours and hours practicing that with the intention to screw others over, its beyond premeditated
I have watched many magicians who can manipulate decks and have tried to learn some slight of hand myself false shuffles take days of practice to look legit. Forcing cards to specific locations while holding conversations take weeks or years.
These guys probably spent more time learning to cheat than playing the game
"I guess im just as bad as the nasty criminals of the world."
You got banned from a card game lol. What did this guy think happens to felons?
Actual magician should be included as the judge in these games i think. These moves are among the most beginner sleights in magic but is always the most effective and deceptive that most card magicians do this every time. As a magician myself i can say these moves are executed pretty well
That last one was CLEAN. Its one of those plays where even if you were his opponent and saw that, you might doubt yourself on whether you should call it or not. It was that smooth.
i can see how that is hard to see when you are playing but it was super obvious from the topdown view though
Well it should be called considering he didn't draw after the shuffle therefore it would have been impossible for the bottom card to be in his hand. Though i could see someone overlooking it
That wasn't CLEAN at all 😂 ray Charles could see that bullshit... How the hell do u not notice an entire card not being picked up?? Smh
The batterskull was pretty blatant and I'm shocked it wasn't caught then and there
Play mat camouflage
@@Choom89 I think playmat rule are in order. Solid color and distinctly different from your sleeve color. Basically a mandatory high contrast setting. Or if playmats are provided, a list of banned sleeve colors needs to happen. Light blue, light grey, and white should all be banned for the batterskull playmat. It blends in too much.
It's blatant when you already know he cheats and you know what to look for. If you're there or you have a moment of looking at something else.
@@louisstabile1182 It seemed pretty blatant to me just from the overhead camera. Definitely the most obvious of all three.
If you're sitting across from him, it might be a lot harder to notice. But it was really dumb to try to cheat that way while on camera.
The trick where you shuffle the bottoms card sneakily to the top is the oldest trick in the book.. we did it on our old kitchen table magic when we thought our friends were cheating as well.
"Cards in hand?" Is always a valid question.
My LGS had a cheater/stealer. He would do a lot of hand motions with his cards and sneak extra cards off his deck. A real shame because he really needs therapy but will end up in jail one day.
Fun fact: doing this sort of cheat and topdecking lands when playing against my EDH Sliver Overlord commander deck would actually help me a ton because all the lands in it are either dual, tri-color or all color chromatic :D
Ah yes, the good old "Underground dojo keyboard cage fighters" guy. I remember him.
I had a brief stint in that career!
I would like to thank the maker of this video for highlighting this term for me, as its my new google name.
The fact the guy was able to always shuffle the deck except the top card, that is very slick, that would have never got caught if there was no cameras and there was ALWAYS lands being drawn, after 3 to 5 times of drawing a land like that, I would have called a judge.
Just got back into MTG this year after about 10 years or more away. Loving these videos.
I used to play with a guy that often had 2 cards in a sleeve and during play would remove the front card leaving the card behind it in the sleeve. It took awhile but we figured it out. This was also back when we played for cards (aka the old antie up rule).
just a few questions.....first of all, i also played back then, and like....NOBODY sleeved cards, it was against the rules anyway. and second of all, how do you not see somebody literally pulling a card out of a sleeve mid game.....
@@johnlowe1255 We played 5-6 player multi games. We weren't always paying attention to that player.
I started sleeving cards at either 7th or 8th edition.
Edit: We still played antie, even after it was removed from the rules.
Don't need to cheat while shuffling with Boros Blitz.
Every hand is absolutely gold.
Honestly, I noticed the batterskull one right away. It's probably just because I've gotten used to constantly looking at everything going on around me, but I can see how someone might miss what happened if they're focused on what the other person is doing to the rest of their deck.
When it comes to comp mtg, since the judges have to watch anyways, they mid as well shuffle for them haha
I heard something about mtg closing off comp play mostly because cheaters .... That's what people are saying at my lgs
the problem at that point is i could bribe you the judge with ether a rare card or two if you played the game or money or something else in order to get you to shuffle a poor hand for my opponent
Or (when possible) just play on Arena. I know, it's less sexy to paper purists, but it just ends this problem.
At the very least, a judge should be required to cut a deck after it has been shuffled and then present it back to the player.
No deck cutting is a major red flag.
Personally, I would say that the decks should be shuffled with all the cards facing down to also help prevent repeats of the first two alongside a judge cut.
just did a quick little search for some of the shuffle rules, these would have been good to know back then.
"Players may request to have a judge shuffle their cards rather than the opponent; this request will be honored only at a judge’s discretion."
"If a player has had the opportunity to see any of the card faces of the deck being shuffled, the deck is no longer considered randomized and must be randomized again."
Something makes me think these came around partly due to the people in the video, if they weren't around previously.
@@Adam27X arena shuffler is worse than any sleight of hand paper cheat, my god have you even played that game?
Lmao. You gotta recognize the skill of sleigh of hand that goes into this. He should take up a career as an illusionist.
Considering how he gives the illusion of being an honest player, he's on his way already.
nah, it's shit lmao. I like sleight of hand for magic (not the card game lmao), and this is such basic shit that it's super obvious to anyone who has a passing interest in magic
@@AnthonyVanGansen I was about to say the same damn shit, tbh.
Yeah, as a magician I could see what they were doing because I was looking for it, but it's all very convincing to a spectator
Or an opponent
I must say the first one was the most impressive to me because how greedy must you be to stack one whole opponent's hand consistently xD
I love love LOVE this format. To my knowledge you're the only Mtg TH-camr delving into these "video archives", congrats on finding a really sweet concept.
What made it worse for Jareds is he shuffled his own deck the same way. Because he knew the other guy would shuffle his deck normally, and it helped sell that how he was shuffling was how he always does it!
Omg i had i guy try this to me like 10 years ago and i looked at him and cut my own deck. He started to come unglued and i said you do that again and I’m going to knock the sht out of you. The judge came over watch our game then watch his next game. He got pulled. It totally messed up our fnm scores that night.
My friend admitted to learning how to and actually mana weaving during competitive play, and I've never played him again since.
What's mana weaving?
It's been a while since I played MtG and stumbled upon this series of videos. I'm glad I watched this video in particular because I remember yelling at my screen in the library on campus when I saw the batterskull cheat happen. Even 12 years later, I yelled at my screen the same way that I did back then 😂
yup, this is why i do not agree with players shuffling and damaging MY CARDS
I will prove how good I am at this children’s card game by cheating, then everyone will love me
Do you love me now daddy? [cries on magic cards]
In what universe is MTG children's card game
"Children's game"
man childrens*
@@oORoOFLOo well on packaging it’s says 8+
Tbh never was a fan of giving my deck to op's to shuffle, but with that being said I don't mind them cutting it.
Agree, op should only be allowed to cut.
I hate when they shuffle my deck. Cards are expensive and most don't have the same love for cardboard that I do.
Agreed, opponent should be able to cut only
Why I don't entirely disagree with opponents only being allowed to cut, it does have the downside of making mana weaving (another form of shuffle cheating) a lot more effective, and therefore tempting to potential cheaters.
@@ArdRhys I actually hope that they make mana weaving legal
Opponent: "Man! Why am I drawing so many lands!?!" Trevor Humphries: "Two Explores."
YOU ALWAYS CUT THE DECK NO MATTER WHAT
I am gonna give this round to Jon. That was fearless with the topdown camera going
Yeah, I saw the extra card and thought it was odd but it didn't click what was going on at first. That was indeed, ballsy.
That last one was the most obvious cheat I have seen in my life. The judges who missed that must have been half asleep or something.
If it’s a “FREAKING CARD GAME” then a four year sentence not to play it shouldn’t be a big deal 🤣
So at my school I used to host a magic club. Very casual games, no prizes for winning, no one was particularly good. Then in the middle of a match, someone there just told everyone to shuffle their decks. he did this right after playing something, so I kinda figured it was on the card. Then a few turns later I asked to see the card he had played. He showed it to me and there was nothing about shuffling anywhere on the card. I asked why he told everyone to shuffle and he replied with "I dunno, I wanted to shuffle." I DQ'd him from the match and he got super pissed and knocked everyone's cards on the floor before stomping off.
That first guy has straight up David Blaine level Sleight of Hand skills. Impressive!
They shoulda implamented a 2 second shuffle rule for opponent since their usually suppose to only cut in my opinion. They shouldn’t be man handling the opponents decks like it’s their own.
I feel like you should be allowed you cut your OWN deck 1 time after the opponent is done with it. Without looking at it at all.
Dude that last one was so smooth dude once he broke it down I just lost it like holy crap that just shows you what a little misdirection can do man
I love watching Dylan, sitting there, staring at his deck being shuffled for an eternity, he even laughs at one point, a part of me thinks he knew what was going on
I find this really strange, how is everyone handing their deck to their opponent and just trusting the shuffle? I thought it was normal for one player to shuffle and the other to cut it. That's how we've played in our own since the beginning, and we trust each other.
i remember watching yugioh back in like 2004 and thats how THEY WOULD PLAY like in the show. how can yugioh in the show get it right and magic a game that has existed far longer than it has still doesnt have one person does x and the other does y
That's how I've always played, both at home and in LGS tournaments. You shuffle your own deck and your opponent gets to cut it however they want, or shuffle if they're feeling picky or buying some extra seconds to think. I'm guessing they're doing it this way to speed things up, but I'd expect they'd at least allow the deck's owner to cut it after it's shuffled. It's awkward too because you can request a judge to shuffle if you feel uncomfortable, but they're not going to have time to babysit your table and you're going to frustrate the judge real fast hassling them over a suspicion, so they might just call you for Slow Play. I can say there's a lot of pressure in tournaments to show good sportsmanship, play your games fast and maintain a good atmosphere so it can suck to have to call someone out.
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Thanks for watching!
Love the statement from that first scumbag.
It's so rare to get a "villain monologue" irl.
"a four year sentence, it's a freaking card game"
You cheated at a thing and got punished in that thing, that's how the world works, if you cheat in life, you get restricted from participating in life, aka prison, if you cheat in a game, you get restricted from participating in that game, aka banned
Bet you 20 bucks people at fnm’s do this 24/7
The first guy:
Roland: Thats enough! You've shuffled enough for TEN duels!
The last one is way more obvious to me than any of the shuffle ones! 😅
dang ive been playing mtg most of my life but ive never really seen cheating from this perspective. thank you for sharing this. I will be watching people like a hawk now at competitive events, more so than i did before anyway
I wonder why the tournament hosts haven’t bothered investing in automatic shufflers, so they wouldn’t know how to properly cheat.
Bro I don't understand cheating. It doesn't matter the game, I just hate people that feel the need to supplement any deficits they might have with cheap tricks. It's icky.
13:20 That's a BOLD move right there. Holy crap.
This setting up the top of the deck is why for standard card games, the person that shuffles passes the cut to the next player, rather than leaving the cut up to the shuffler
I use to play stoneblade in Legacy and I did play two Batterskulls in one tournament. I don't remember why. I had the same activate SFM, response Clique me play happen. And I did legitimately draw the second batterskull and put it into play. Judge call happened and since we had decklist I was ok. It became a meme in our playgroup for awhile that I rocked the double batterskull special.
I've been to some high level TCG events, behavior like is this rampant.
It's not possible for every match, but I suggest electronic shufflers for more high profile games.
I see a lot of people in the comments saying that the third one was easy to spot because "we were told what we should be looking for", but here's the thing:
It was such an obviously bad attempt at being slick. At least with the shuffling, you had to be paying really close attention to which cards were being shuffled
That last one was more of a "if you're just casually looking at the cards, this one shouldn't slip by at all"
You can see how much that last guy with the batter skull started shaking when he went to play it.
“Hopefully this doesn’t look sus”
"It's only a card game". Says the guy how have been training on shuffle cheating...
You can modify the first dudes cheat by stacking lands on the bottom of the deck so you don't have to keep the same bottom card, you can keep adding one or two lands and shifting thru the lands as they expose themselves. Bottom and top stacking is extremely easy with card sleeves on.
Always cut the deck and have the opponent cut it.
In Jared’s defense he’s playing grixis, it’s insinuated that he gets to shuffle cheat
Never occurred to me that last move was cheating. I always thought a lot of people were just bad at picking up all their cards, and I always pointed it out when I caught it thinking nothing of it. Now I have to rethink every game.
the batterskull one i noticed immediately when he didn't pick up the whole deck
Love the commentators "you can definitely tell which deck is bring the power to the table!"
4:04 oh shit he did the jackbox murder party voice effect.
He's like the bully in school, but instead of beating you up he beats up your shuffle
All the other videos you've shown, I couldn't tell how the cheat was happening.. I don't know if I just learned how to look out for it but within the first minute I saw it lol
This one time, I took my opponent's deck, dealt it into 3 piles, then put the piles on top of each other and returned the deck to him.
He complained to the judge.
I said, "I saw him stack his deck so that every 3rd card was a land. If his deck was properly random, then a 3 stack shuffle should make no difference."
at my LGS, partly so people that suck at shuffling dont ruin your cards, you shuffle your own deck and the opponent just cuts wherever they like
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Wow, thanks! 😊
I saw the Batterskull move immediately. When he picked up his deck, my first thought was, "hey man you missed a card".
0:40 the f is the dude Dylan doing lol
Me, remembering the 2016 and 2018 Pokémon TCG Worlds faro shufflers.
There is an old saying
Cut thin and your sure to win.
LOL the "don't daze me bro" sleeves
Honestly, one of my fears when I start going to real tournaments..
how the hell did they not notice the first one? I saw it right away and I don’t even play competitive magic. you are spot on about how not cutting is a blatant red flag and honestly shouldn’t even be allowed
They should have judges shuffle/cut decks at big events
So in our club, you are likely to see someone only cut deck once, or even not at all.
The batterskull cheat was easy to logically deduce that it couldn’t have been drawn, crazy stuff!
what a wholesome comment
@@NikachuMTG just saying it’s crazy that the judges and the commentators who were pro players didn’t catch it
Imagine deciding to shuffle cheat your way to the top and then choosing to play Bad Nauseam.
That batterskull one was very ballsy. I'm surprised it took you so long to see it. It was so incredibly obvious.
Moment someone shuffles longer then normal or needed that always makes me suspect and if i see them peeking as they shuffle.
The funny thing is that from what I just thought up its easy to avoid shuffling cheaters putting bad cards on top, you either have the person watching the match shuffle the deck(if there is one) or when ever the opponent is done shuffling you but the top half on the bottom half (I am not that great at magic I only have played MTG Arena so idk how well this would work)
I cheated once when I was really young. Did it the finals of a local magic tournament. I drew two cards during my draw step. If I knew who I did it too I would, I would apologize and buy him three packs as I think that was the prize at the time. It was 20 years ago though. Never did it since. Felt like a huge piece of shit.
Maybe limiting how many shuffles and requiring the deck to be cut would solve cheating or at least offer as a better indicator for cheating.
You think people would get super suspicious that everyone's top card is always a land.
Why dont judges cut decks themselves after every shuffle?
The very first person, Trevor, I went to the same lgs. He was kinda friends with my cousin and lived near by so he would often get a ride. After he got caught the whole shop shuffled looking sideways for weeks as a joke
Lol
I always 100% of the time cut my deck if the opponent shuffles to prevent this bs
Damn dude that Batterskull play is slick as fuck...
the first guy didn't seem to understand the difference between prison and bein banned from a card game.
spending hours practing fake shuffles is more than "falling to temptation"
You know what's worse than cheaters? People that steal cards!
Don't know how, but a guy next to my table (which whom I played with before the FN-Modern tournament started) suddenly lost one of his 4x Karn Liberated after a few games.
Somehow, the victim eventually managed to figure out who the thief was, but the suspect left the shop already. Not much later, the same guy was selling a Karn Liberated on a website where most of the players of that shop get their cards from. (The shop owner knew the account of the thief and stalked him, etc.)
After that event, I really got paranoid that people are after my cards XD
Can you do a video on the history of shuffling/mulligan rules in MTG? I think it'd make for an interesting video. I remember that the rules weren't always like this, where the opponent got to shuffle and the player couldn't cut afterwards. If I am not mistaken, there was a period in time when the rules changed from player shuffles-opponent option to shuffle-player option to cut to the rules followed in this video.
Maybe, but I have to find a way to make it interesting for an average viewer.
@@NikachuMTG There were probably a number of scandals that led to the various rule changes :)
In the old days of 1996, early pro play, pretty much 80% of the players were shuffle cheating one way or another.
For the first guy I didn't catch him moving cards to the top but I did notice him not shuffle the tops cards and the he didn't cut so I knew something was up.