12:55 I personally think it was her own magic corrupting her. It makes the most sense from what we know about their story, and what we know about magic, relating to emotions. For example, in the episode “All Bottled Up” we learn that magic is greatly affected by emotion. And when Starlight’s bottle breaks, her angry magic is absorbed by three ponies, thus corrupting them and causing them to act in aggression towards the pony Starlight is angry at. So, given that Luna’s magic (considered she raises the moon) is probably more powerful than Starlight’s, it’s not hard to believe that if she held all her bitterness and anger on the inside, never releasing her anger fueled magic, she would be slowly corrupted, causing her her to lash out violently against the pony she’s angry at. Honestly, to me, this makes a scarily amount of sense.
I very much agree with u on Discord not right away being a goody goody and the mane six not trusting him worked well with realism (S3-S4), u overall presented your points thoroughly in this video, whether I agree on everything or not i see your points. Twilight's kingdom was 1st when it comes to redemption for Discord writing it well, Discordant Harmony was 2nd. Ultimately with Discord I feel he messes up and then learns a lesson and comes back *slightly* nicer than his previous appearance except for in matter of principals. I think in terms of "redemption" the Grogar stuff isn't really good as his actions are pretty terrible from a moral sense, even if from a intention sense they come from a place of trying to be a good-hearted friend. When it comes to Reformation however, I think it works well to highlight how much he has grown to care about twilight and in general him being a trickster trying to help in his own way is something he has done before just not to that level. In his first appearance he was using his chaos to break twilight's spirit so that she can't save Equestria, but by s9 he is using his chaos to try to help twilight as the ruler of Equestria. Once called out on his actions as Grogar, he puts himself in harms way to free Starlight so she could free the Mane 5 and spike, so they can escape and save Equestria, can also be seen trying to help hold off the trio. He saw himself as a safety net, so most of what happened with the trio being on the loose and such came from naivety and not thinking things through instead of maliciousness.
I mean, realistically, people can decide to change for the better pretty quickly. The issue is others trusting said person. It takes time to build, or rebuild trust. I think in MLP, besides discord, they were forgiving all too quickly
11:56 it’s lacking because of the lack of information, and the lack of wrap up afterwards. Like, was Luna corrupted by something? If so I can see why the elements worked. If not, then how did they just change her whole motivation? Also, we never delve into really why Luna became NMM. Sure, we know the general story, but we never dive into the heart of it, nor do we properly resolve it. And with lines like “I bet you wished I never came back, so you could still rule day and night” and “what I want is a sister I can depend on,” coming out at season nine. Clearly the issue was never dealt with between the two of them, which is sad considering their story was what this show opened up talking about. Surely if any subplot deserved this series’ time it was Celestia and Luna’s relationship.
@@StardustLive5 He has been discorded enough. He betrayed everyone in season four and messed up a few times but that was soon after his turn in season three. Once he was betrayed by Tirek he finally understood friendship for what it truly is but still kept up his fun personality until in season nine where he committed more crimes then his previous ones combined times ten.
@@sweetdreams1028 Discord went from a chaotic villain to a friend of the heroes. Discord making mistakes doesn't make his redemption pointless. By that logic Celestia is a villain for intentionally freeing Luna knowing that Nightmare Moon was still active, evil & corrupt from the moon then leaving a group of children to fix the problem.
Geez, I didn’t think it’d be THIS LONG but after consideration, yeah I can see why since After Season 5 redemption arcs kind of have been going downhill in terms of writing (especially if you count the redemption of all the EQG villains in the specials after Legend of Everfree) I get wanting to redeem characters, but it gets the point where it starts being TOO MUCH I mean hell when I originally watched the Season 7 finale Shadow Play, I thought the Pony of Shadows was going to be ANOTHER reformed character and well…..I was half right 😂
Trixie Lulamoon is a garbage plot device. She didn't really have a redemption arc. She was just easily forgiven for no real reason. The show would have been objectively better off without Trixie's trash character ruining it.
12:55 I personally think it was her own magic corrupting her. It makes the most sense from what we know about their story, and what we know about magic, relating to emotions. For example, in the episode “All Bottled Up” we learn that magic is greatly affected by emotion. And when Starlight’s bottle breaks, her angry magic is absorbed by three ponies, thus corrupting them and causing them to act in aggression towards the pony Starlight is angry at. So, given that Luna’s magic (considered she raises the moon) is probably more powerful than Starlight’s, it’s not hard to believe that if she held all her bitterness and anger on the inside, never releasing her anger fueled magic, she would be slowly corrupted, causing her her to lash out violently against the pony she’s angry at. Honestly, to me, this makes a scarily amount of sense.
I saw sunsets as she was blasted with just the element of magic/friendship is why she changed. It was that powerful in the human world
The redemption arcs are some of my favorite arcs in both mlp and EQG!
Here's a ranking you can do, the family members of the Mane 6.
A video this long really needs a table of contents.
I very much agree with u on Discord not right away being a goody goody and the mane six not trusting him worked well with realism (S3-S4), u overall presented your points thoroughly in this video, whether I agree on everything or not i see your points. Twilight's kingdom was 1st when it comes to redemption for Discord writing it well, Discordant Harmony was 2nd. Ultimately with Discord I feel he messes up and then learns a lesson and comes back *slightly* nicer than his previous appearance except for in matter of principals. I think in terms of "redemption" the Grogar stuff isn't really good as his actions are pretty terrible from a moral sense, even if from a intention sense they come from a place of trying to be a good-hearted friend.
When it comes to Reformation however, I think it works well to highlight how much he has grown to care about twilight and in general him being a trickster trying to help in his own way is something he has done before just not to that level. In his first appearance he was using his chaos to break twilight's spirit so that she can't save Equestria, but by s9 he is using his chaos to try to help twilight as the ruler of Equestria. Once called out on his actions as Grogar, he puts himself in harms way to free Starlight so she could free the Mane 5 and spike, so they can escape and save Equestria, can also be seen trying to help hold off the trio.
He saw himself as a safety net, so most of what happened with the trio being on the loose and such came from naivety and not thinking things through instead of maliciousness.
I mean, realistically, people can decide to change for the better pretty quickly. The issue is others trusting said person. It takes time to build, or rebuild trust. I think in MLP, besides discord, they were forgiving all too quickly
11:56 it’s lacking because of the lack of information, and the lack of wrap up afterwards. Like, was Luna corrupted by something? If so I can see why the elements worked. If not, then how did they just change her whole motivation? Also, we never delve into really why Luna became NMM. Sure, we know the general story, but we never dive into the heart of it, nor do we properly resolve it. And with lines like “I bet you wished I never came back, so you could still rule day and night” and “what I want is a sister I can depend on,” coming out at season nine. Clearly the issue was never dealt with between the two of them, which is sad considering their story was what this show opened up talking about. Surely if any subplot deserved this series’ time it was Celestia and Luna’s relationship.
Honestly, considering what Discord committed in season nine, I would say his redemption was completely pointless.
Well, he just being discorded.
@@StardustLive5 He has been discorded enough. He betrayed everyone in season four and messed up a few times but that was soon after his turn in season three. Once he was betrayed by Tirek he finally understood friendship for what it truly is but still kept up his fun personality until in season nine where he committed more crimes then his previous ones combined times ten.
@@sweetdreams1028 Well that bacause discord trying to motivate Twilight when he was personative the Grogar, but he was backfire.
@@sweetdreams1028 That's clearly just your biased opinion and you throwing a temper tantrum.
@@sweetdreams1028 Discord went from a chaotic villain to a friend of the heroes. Discord making mistakes doesn't make his redemption pointless. By that logic Celestia is a villain for intentionally freeing Luna knowing that Nightmare Moon was still active, evil & corrupt from the moon then leaving a group of children to fix the problem.
Geez, I didn’t think it’d be THIS LONG but after consideration, yeah I can see why since After Season 5 redemption arcs kind of have been going downhill in terms of writing (especially if you count the redemption of all the EQG villains in the specials after Legend of Everfree) I get wanting to redeem characters, but it gets the point where it starts being TOO MUCH I mean hell when I originally watched the Season 7 finale Shadow Play, I thought the Pony of Shadows was going to be ANOTHER reformed character and well…..I was half right 😂
changelings?
Trixie Lulamoon is a garbage plot device. She didn't really have a redemption arc. She was just easily forgiven for no real reason. The show would have been objectively better off without Trixie's trash character ruining it.
My man, can't handle the Lulamoon swagger
@@friendship5293 LMAOOOOO
@@friendship5293couldn't handle the Lulamoon style
Couldn't handle the Lulamoon Swag
Naruto fan getting mad at the Lulamoon redemption lmaoooo