This is a much better technique than I've previously learned. A welder on TH-cam (specific, right? lol) said he had found the perfect order of operations for which sides, which direction, and the warping would about balance itself out when you were welding a four-sided object such as the example in this video. Having the jig or welding temporary support in makes a lot more sense! :)
Thanks Kevin for another very helpful video regarding preventing distortion. - I got a job to make up some big gates. I need to do a top rate job, as if I do, there's going to be much more of that work coming my way.
I can't stress this enough... if you are new to welding, get as many jigs, clamps, braces and thing-a-ma-whatzitz that YOU CAN'T afford. Just close your eyes, and open your wallet... every little job you get, re-invest into more clamps. It seriously flattens the learning curve when you are properly tooled up. Makes a beginner welder have more confidence. That, and seriously taking your time. This isn't wood working, need to slow down and be more methodical with your next actions.
Eco Mouse - I agree ... I love my tools more than a fashionista loves her shoes. Funny you mentioned woodworking because any time you cut wood (especially along the grain), it warps, bows and twists; and then you have to plane or joint it (aiming for perfection). Metal has its own way of being a PITA. What a world, what a world.
made a shop table recently, quick and dirty. One of the legs needed a 1/8" - 3/16" shim even though I welded everything on a dead flat table. It's not a huge deal, but I've often wondered how I would do it if I was getting paid to do it.
How thick should the table top be when we make our welding table? Im assuming with care, constant tacking to the table will not leave divits and beat up the table from always grinding tacks off it? Or does it eventually mess up the use of using a square on the table as it ages?
This is why I went with a 1-inch-thick top for my welding table. I always cut the tack above the table and grind smooth. After a while I will fill a few divots and grind smooth. Because I am the only one welding on this table it will last my lifetime for sure. Thank you for posting and watching.
Not only is the table I have at work warped, but since the things Im working on are essentially large tanks to be filled with antifreeze, tacking that stainless sheet metal to the table isnt really an option for me. This forst one i made was just so warped. It's abput 16 feet of weld i have to get done as quick as I can. Is there a way to not only hold it straight, but minimize warpage?
Hey Kevin, I keep coming back to Your videos - thanks for the lessons! About that angle clamp: Is it - the large Bessey (WSM12 Current Passage Max (mm): 100 / Opening (mm): 120 /Jaw Height (mm): 61 / Jaw Length (mm): 120 ) OR - the small Bessey (WSM9 Current Passage Max (mm): 60 / Opening (mm): 90 /Jaw Height (mm): 35 / Jaw Length (mm): 110 ) ? Much obliged - soon as I know which one does it for You I will buy the darn thing, for I have to build a welding table before I can tack things to it in the first place :P All the Best, Bjoern
@@KevincaronSculpture I've been watching of ton of welding videos as a new welding and the warping has been a problem. Been using the correct sequencing and tig'ing fast but it will does it. But tacking to the table is genius yet I feel dumb I didn't think of it myself as that is what the welding table is for haha.
Hi, what if you aren't welding on a table. If you're welding fender bungs on a motorcycle frame whats the best way to keep them from moving from the position they need to stay in?
@@KevincaronSculpture I am not a welder by trade but I do get stuck with it sometimes. Usually, on hand I have the material, a few c and f clamps and a flux core wire feed. And it's usually in some parking lot or clubhouse swimming pool. Not much to work with.
Ive heard of guys recommending to chase small spot welds with an air nozzle when working with thinner gauges of metal, have you ever tried it or recommend air to cool/prevent warping?
Thank you for your instruction, Kevin! I like your technique and have subscribed! I have to weld on a vehicle. A 4" x 4" 1018 steel plate needs welding on to a part of the frame, which "looks" like it could warp as well. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks for the sub! Sadly I have never welded on a frame. I was always told to never weld a frame because they are heat treated and welding them will cause other problems.
+Kevin Caron, Artist sorry for not being specific. I mean the tacking to the bench works fine for steel, but what do you use for aluminum in situations where you can't use your corner clamp.
Cut a steel piece to tack to the bench to hold your aluminum down hard! Clamp it down so there is no slack and weld it. Not perfect but works like a charm.
Do you have a video, by chance, which offers any solutions to reverse warpage that has already occurred (due to welding before watching this video)? I turned my piece to get a look from another angle and now I can notice that it has a gradual curve that spans the entire length of 20 feet. I welded almost entirely on one side of this rectangular tube, and I have determined that metal bends in the direction of the heat. I was thinking perhaps by applying heat to the other side, it might bend back. To do that, I was thinking about just sticking an electrode to the other side and letting it get really hot. Thanks for any advice!
+WILSON! You can sure try! Have not had much luck that way though.. Have tried clamping and heat also.. For me it has been hit and miss as to how well it works..
Thanks for your prompt response and advice. That's good to know. I'll have to take extra special care to space out my welds with future projects. I could only imagine how frustrating it would be to be building an extremely large and expensive work of art, only to apply too much heat and irreversibly bend the metal!! You must have great patience!
Hey Kev can I get your professional opinion on this matter please. ...is there any concern over stress when doing it your way? Or what types of stress on the metal I should be concerns about? My thinking is if I've got it pinned to the table and weld it is there any stress elsewhere or dose HAZ "relax" the metal enough not to worry about it? It's hard for me to explain, but I hope you understand my question. I like the tip on using some scrap 45 pieces that's bright. Keep up the good work, as we all enjoy your vids. -Pidge
Thanks Kevin. Session 2 of my welding course tnite. Question... Can you do a short vid on cleaning prior to welding what product to use how thorough you need to be etc etc thx mate.
Kevin what is your experience with pre deflection? it may be useful to you in the art field (more welding sometimes just for looks) i know i have had to chain skids to the floor and jack them up in the middle so that when i weld them they will come out straight. i know this has limited use but its worth mentioning.
+fixt100 Great question!! Wish I know more about this but yeah, I have set things out of line just to pull them in line with the weld.. A real art to it for sure.. Still practicing...
You could make a table. Bolt a sheet of 3/4 inch to the table you have now. Or buy lots of clamps and learn how to take a warp out of a piece of metal.
Hi sir You are huge different than me because of you are USA nation the knowledge behind you are country and you could built every thinkings from deep ocean motion to NASA space but me I have tools to work on it and I love working to on steel in example a burdge form totally steel or high tower communications joint by bolt and nut. And I mean no thing about last comment Thank you sir
Thank you for watching and posting. We are all different but oddly the same. I started out with a few hand tools and have worked up from there. It's been over 20 years that I became an artist.
+emesdiki mamesh But the clamp will not hold it as tight as a couple of spot welds.. All depends on what you are doing I guess.. I have had the best luck just welding it to the table...
This is idiotic. It's all about weld sequence and nothing more. You don't need to weld anything to your welding table. You want your welding surface flat and smooth at all times and you damn sure don't want to be grinding on your welding table. This is the most idiotic thing I've ever seen.
Ive been welding for a long time but its always nice to hear how someone solves problems
And I have had my share of them for sure! Thanks for watching and posting.
Thanks for the anti-warping lesson, Kevin. Appreciate your taking the time to produce these how-to videos.
I find, with your videos, I listen to every word you say the first time I watch them. It's terrific.
Thank you for reminding me the essential sometimes underappreciated tack welding technique.
Thanks for watching.
This is a much better technique than I've previously learned. A welder on TH-cam (specific, right? lol) said he had found the perfect order of operations for which sides, which direction, and the warping would about balance itself out when you were welding a four-sided object such as the example in this video.
Having the jig or welding temporary support in makes a lot more sense! :)
Thanks Kevin for another very helpful video regarding preventing distortion. - I got a job to make up some big gates. I need to do a top rate job, as if I do, there's going to be much more of that work coming my way.
Just remember to have fun while you are doing it!
Always learn stuff I never expected to from uncle Kevin
+MotorcycleTherapy
OH God!! Uncle Kevin?!?!?!?!? It's the gray hair isn't it?!?!
haha
Wow, very helpful, I wish I had watched this before I just warped a 14gauge plate!!
Excellent video, great tips. Thanks Kevin.
I can't stress this enough... if you are new to welding, get as many jigs, clamps, braces and thing-a-ma-whatzitz that YOU CAN'T afford. Just close your eyes, and open your wallet... every little job you get, re-invest into more clamps. It seriously flattens the learning curve when you are properly tooled up. Makes a beginner welder have more confidence. That, and seriously taking your time. This isn't wood working, need to slow down and be more methodical with your next actions.
Eco Mouse - I agree ... I love my tools more than a fashionista loves her shoes. Funny you mentioned woodworking because any time you cut wood (especially along the grain), it warps, bows and twists; and then you have to plane or joint it (aiming for perfection). Metal has its own way of being a PITA. What a world, what a world.
made a shop table recently, quick and dirty. One of the legs needed a 1/8" - 3/16" shim even though I welded everything on a dead flat table. It's not a huge deal, but I've often wondered how I would do it if I was getting paid to do it.
That's why I weld things to the table as I weld them together.
Thanks guys. As always, good, practical advice, well presented. We appreciate it...
Thanks for the tips.. I'm still new to welding, so my welding skills are a work in progress.
You're cool. Thanks for more great information. I'm pretty much learning to weld from TH-cam, and I really appreciate all your help.
Automatically subscribe after watch this as 1st video 😁👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for the info 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Welcome aboard!
Effective, I can try after tomorrow 😊
All the best
How thick should the table top be when we make our welding table?
Im assuming with care, constant tacking to the table will not leave divits and beat up the table from always grinding tacks off it? Or does it eventually mess up the use of using a square on the table as it ages?
This is why I went with a 1-inch-thick top for my welding table. I always cut the tack above the table and grind smooth. After a while I will fill a few divots and grind smooth. Because I am the only one welding on this table it will last my lifetime for sure. Thank you for posting and watching.
Informative and charming!
Thank you for watching and posting.
3:17 you realize.. just buy the tool...
The exact second I stopped the video and checked the comments. lol why not just tack both to the table honestly. flip it re tack and do the rest.
Thank you so much! So simple, so effective!
You're so welcome!
thanks for all the videos! Super appreciated!
And I do really appreciate you stopping by!
Not only is the table I have at work warped, but since the things Im working on are essentially large tanks to be filled with antifreeze, tacking that stainless sheet metal to the table isnt really an option for me.
This forst one i made was just so warped. It's abput 16 feet of weld i have to get done as quick as I can. Is there a way to not only hold it straight, but minimize warpage?
Try welding a little on this side and then work on the other side. Keep jumping back and forth to different sections.
Hey Kevin, I keep coming back to Your videos - thanks for the lessons!
About that angle clamp: Is it
- the large Bessey (WSM12 Current Passage Max (mm): 100 / Opening (mm): 120 /Jaw Height (mm): 61 / Jaw Length (mm): 120 ) OR
- the small Bessey (WSM9 Current Passage Max (mm): 60 / Opening (mm): 90 /Jaw Height (mm): 35 / Jaw Length (mm): 110 ) ?
Much obliged - soon as I know which one does it for You I will buy the darn thing, for I have to build a welding table before I can tack things to it in the first place :P
All the Best,
Bjoern
The large one will go smaller but you can't make the small one go any bigger. Oh hell, get both! I have the large one.
@@KevincaronSculpture Thank You Kevin!! The large one it is! ^.^
Gotta ask. what up with all the RR spikes?
Come to my website and see all the yard art I make with them.
Dood wtf this is valuable info! Great video!!
Thank you for watching and posting.
@@KevincaronSculpture I've been watching of ton of welding videos as a new welding and the warping has been a problem. Been using the correct sequencing and tig'ing fast but it will does it. But tacking to the table is genius yet I feel dumb I didn't think of it myself as that is what the welding table is for haha.
Hi, what if you aren't welding on a table. If you're welding fender bungs on a motorcycle frame whats the best way to keep them from moving from the position they need to stay in?
Good question! Clamp it in place and tack it. Or have someone hold it and tack it. About the only 2 options I know of.
simple tip and great idea thanks kevin...
Thanks Kevin! You're awesome.
Helpful tips for sure. Thanks Kevin!
Any suggestions for joining flat plate when you're in the field and your worktop is a concrete pad?
All depends on what machinery you have on hand. Bolts to rivets to welding to epoxy. Need more information.
@@KevincaronSculpture I am not a welder by trade but I do get stuck with it sometimes. Usually, on hand I have the material, a few c and f clamps and a flux core wire feed. And it's usually in some parking lot or clubhouse swimming pool. Not much to work with.
excellent video! I was checking out that nice piece of brass art work in the background.. :)
+1963impala2dr Wait till you see the photos of it in the stand!!!
Kevin Caron, Artist
cant wait!
Nice method, thanks mr
Ive heard of guys recommending to chase small spot welds with an air nozzle when working with thinner gauges of metal, have you ever tried it or recommend air to cool/prevent warping?
Nope, never heard of that one.. Suppose it would work..
thanks kevin
Preheat? Does that help any?
+watchthe1369
Not so much to keep form warping but it helps for thicker metals and smaller machines.
Mr kevin caron..where u from sir
Born in Stratford Ct. Grew up in the desert around Phoenix Az.
Thank you for your instruction, Kevin! I like your technique and have subscribed! I have to weld on a vehicle. A 4" x 4" 1018 steel plate needs welding on to a part of the frame, which "looks" like it could warp as well. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks for the sub! Sadly I have never welded on a frame. I was always told to never weld a frame because they are heat treated and welding them will cause other problems.
Thanks Kev for the vids. What technique do you go to for aluminum?
Not sure what you are asking here..
+Kevin Caron, Artist sorry for not being specific. I mean the tacking to the bench works fine for steel, but what do you use for aluminum in situations where you can't use your corner clamp.
Cut a steel piece to tack to the bench to hold your aluminum down hard! Clamp it down so there is no slack and weld it. Not perfect but works like a charm.
+Kevin Caron, Artist thanks for the ideas Kevin. Once again great vids, very enjoyable content!
Do you have a video, by chance, which offers any solutions to reverse warpage that has already occurred (due to welding before watching this video)? I turned my piece to get a look from another angle and now I can notice that it has a gradual curve that spans the entire length of 20 feet. I welded almost entirely on one side of this rectangular tube, and I have determined that metal bends in the direction of the heat. I was thinking perhaps by applying heat to the other side, it might bend back. To do that, I was thinking about just sticking an electrode to the other side and letting it get really hot. Thanks for any advice!
+WILSON! You can sure try! Have not had much luck that way though.. Have tried clamping and heat also.. For me it has been hit and miss as to how well it works..
Thanks for your prompt response and advice. That's good to know. I'll have to take extra special care to space out my welds with future projects. I could only imagine how frustrating it would be to be building an extremely large and expensive work of art, only to apply too much heat and irreversibly bend the metal!! You must have great patience!
Hi Kevin, where is a good affordable source for the Walter 4 1/4” zip wheels?
4- 1/2”, oops
I get mine at Praxair.
Hey Kev can I get your professional opinion on this matter please. ...is there any concern over stress when doing it your way? Or what types of stress on the metal I should be concerns about? My thinking is if I've got it pinned to the table and weld it is there any stress elsewhere or dose HAZ "relax" the metal enough not to worry about it? It's hard for me to explain, but I hope you understand my question. I like the tip on using some scrap 45 pieces that's bright. Keep up the good work, as we all enjoy your vids.
-Pidge
+PiDGE IAM I have never seen any type of problem with doing it like this.. But keep in mind that I am not building an airplane here..
Thank you, this will help me alot.
Kevin, when should I tig weld aluminum and when should I spool gun aluminum
+Jack NeEly Tig when it shows and spool gun when it is hidden..
identifying steels metals and thicknesses ex: stanless,carbon square tube ,angle iron, plate ,sheet ,expanded do a video on that
+jon204 Need to learn more about this and I will give it a try... Thanks for the idea..
Thanks Kevin. Session 2 of my welding course tnite. Question... Can you do a short vid on cleaning prior to welding what product to use how thorough you need to be etc etc thx mate.
+bearwoodcarpentry try this one..... th-cam.com/video/UXXM6i3FJ5s/w-d-xo.html
Great video
Great Tips kevin! thanks!
I like your 45 clamp that cool great
Kevin what is your experience with pre deflection? it may be useful to you in the art field (more welding sometimes just for looks) i know i have had to chain skids to the floor and jack them up in the middle so that when i weld them they will come out straight. i know this has limited use but its worth mentioning.
+fixt100 Great question!! Wish I know more about this but yeah, I have set things out of line just to pull them in line with the weld.. A real art to it for sure.. Still practicing...
Kevin, I'm working on building a set of bumpers (3/16" plate mild steel), with no table. Have ideas to keep my angles without warping?
+grn dragon Lots of braces. Bolt it to the truck and tack it all together in place.. Then remove and weld...
Should I be able to do one single cut with a plasma, being that it is over 4' long pieces?
Not a problem, long as you have the air compressor to keep up with it...
Just tack weld everything? But Not to the table?
I will weld to the table before I start all the welding. But for tack welds, most of the time I don't.
How can we get a good 45 degree cut in the first place?
+Sergeant Doge band saw
+Sergeant Doge Use a framing square and a scribe to make your mark.. Then cut really close to the line and really carefully. Should work great...
I love it when you say taccot.. taccot.. haha. nice tips
But, aren't you pitting the table by grinding the welds off therefore, its not flat anymore?
+John D I do go back and fill and grind flat the divots I am making... After a while,, like 8 to 10 years, I will change the top for a new one.....
I'm probably thinking welding tables are too precious.
Kevin....I have a really big hammer.....
What if I don’t have a metal table…
You could make a table. Bolt a sheet of 3/4 inch to the table you have now. Or buy lots of clamps and learn how to take a warp out of a piece of metal.
Hay Kevin... whatcha gonna do with all those railroad spikes? Can we watch??
+Robert Coyle Going to make a really big sculpture and of course you can watch.. Just check out my website and click on "in the works"
Hi sir
You are huge different than me because of you are USA nation the knowledge behind you are country and you could built every thinkings from deep ocean motion to NASA space but me I have tools to work on it and I love working to on steel in example a burdge form totally steel or high tower communications joint by bolt and nut. And I mean no thing about last comment
Thank you sir
Thank you for watching and posting. We are all different but oddly the same. I started out with a few hand tools and have worked up from there. It's been over 20 years that I became an artist.
Welding tables look expensive, over time it probably will ruin the thing. In most cases, getting the right tool to do the job is the solution.
+Joseph Nicholas Or just changing the top for a new flat one,,,
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Yup looks like you are building your own RR.
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I think tecking it to the table is a very bad idea, because the effort to grind it off is so much more than just clamp it to the table.
+emesdiki mamesh But the clamp will not hold it as tight as a couple of spot welds.. All depends on what you are doing I guess.. I have had the best luck just welding it to the table...
"Hey cavin what you are doing"?interesting
Just having fun with my job.
More tools for the tool box between your ears, thanks!
I like the Jordan Peterson voice over
Whatever..
Now I can give that hammer a rest
This is idiotic. It's all about weld sequence and nothing more. You don't need to weld anything to your welding table. You want your welding surface flat and smooth at all times and you damn sure don't want to be grinding on your welding table. This is the most idiotic thing I've ever seen.
Well I have been doing this for 20 years and it works fine for me. Might I suggest looking somewhere else for your entertainment?
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Why you are do it always speaking not practices
Thank you
You get what you pay for I guess.