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Yeah finland did well but in the end they still lost. Which was rather unsurprising, given the Soviet Union had enough military assets to conquer the entirety of mainland europe including spain had the d-day invasion not taken place. Thankfully d-day happened
I am an Indian living in Finland. I really love the honesty, integrity and hardwork that an average Finn displays in daily life. Finland, unlike many other European countries, does not have a bloody history of colonialism. Finns have developed themselves by sheer determination and hard work. Average Finns are patriotic without being xenophobic. There are reasons why Finland ranks number 1 in human development index time and again. Long live Finland 🇫🇮 ❤️ ❤️.
I'm a croat born and raised in Germany. I was shocked to witness a war in my country, Croatia and now again...in 21st century to see such a massacre in Ukraine where 10 mil. people are displaced and many thousands are being killed, whole cities destroyed. Unfortunately, all this caused by Russian army. I was few times in Helsinki, Espoo and admire your beutiful country which is so different compared to Croatia but on the other hand we have much in common: we love our homeland, we are proud people, we strive to be independant, we love democracy and freedom. In last 80 years Finnland has done great achievements in protecting their lovely nature, creating the world's best design, achievements in human rights, economy, world's best education system. With such a heritage and known Finnish values I am sure that Finland will again wisely decide what's in their best interest ( together with Sweden). You have our fully support from Croatia. Olen oppinut paljon, kittos. 🇭🇷♥️🇫🇮
I'm a Russian. I grew up on hockey, where finnish players were playing for my local hockey team. I love them all so much, even tho my sister once really wanted to move to Finland. So I don't support any Russian agression to Finland or Ukraine, because I think my country should change to focus from invading country to start developing it's own. Much love to Suomi
I think this video misses the main reason why Russia hasn't invaded Finland and the main philosophy behind Finnish defense. Finland has made the thought of invading it incredibly costly. Finland can mobilize more than half a million trained soldiers from a population of 5,5 million. Every building above a certain size has a bomb shelter. Every bridge is designed with slots that make destroying them with explosives easy. Finland has prepared for an invasion since the second world war and has enough guns to hand every willing person a East-German AK and tell them to camp in the forest. And what would Russia gain from invading Finland? Finland has little natural resources, there are only a few million people and Finland's location is not that strategically useful all things considered. The main philosophy behind Finnish deference is a cost benefit analysis. What would a potential invader gain and what would it cost? The reason behind the move towards NATO is partly fear yes, but also the benefit of remaining neutral is not that great to Finland anymore. During the cold war Finland benefited from being able to trade with both east and west but now that Finland is in the EU Finland has to follow the EU sanctions. It is impossible to sit on the fence anymore.
900k reservists (with guns for everyone as well). If war breaks out, the Army can just take anything and everything (like transport vehicles, buildings, anything you can imagine) under its control if it deems it necessary and the terrain is perfect for guerrilla warfare too. And other (infra etc) benefits which I am not gonna discuss here :)
My sister-in-law is Finnish and she says that her brothers have been getting training the last several weeks. There would be a lot of the population ready to fight.
Russia do not want to invade Finland because Putin wants to dominate Europe, Russia will invade Finland or Sweden if they want take a side, Putin will not let any other Russia's neighbor to be a NATO member anymore (and MAYBE, the most concerning way, they might use nuclear weapons against its neighbors)
As a finnish person i can say that sooooo many finnish people would fight for our country. Even many young people are so ready to fight if we would ever go to war. We are proud to be finnish🇫🇮
So true. I never felt like NATO was needed, but as I see this attack on Ukraine, now I completely changed my view about Russia and now I feel NATO is the best option.
Yeah, I am still somewhat ambivalent about joining NATO, but just the idea of giving Putin a massive middle finger tipped me in favor. Genocidal bastard. I truly wish hell existed, just for war criminals like Putin (his name is apt in French).
But Sweden has betrayed its neighbours on multiple occasions which is why Scandinavia (+Finland) 'Nordica' is still an umbrella term rather than a political reality. NATO should make demands of both Sweden & Finland. Membership isn't automatic. They are to be respected as sovereign states but this time they have to be open, sharing and passionate rather than merely cherry-picking their obligations as they do in the EU.
I'm a Russian. I do not support putin or his war and aggression. I Love Finland -- your people, your architectre and construction, your nature, your metal music and video games in particular! Cheers, and remember that not all Russians are bloodthirsty zombies!
@@mcniesh1 That's awesome! But it is "уже 3 года", not "уж 3 лет". Russian is a very complicated language. Happy to chat over some beers if you want some practice! Cheers!
Great informative video. Always wanted to know the history of those two countries and you were able to provide without any fluff and time wasted. Again, congratulations extremely well. Keep them coming.
Russia: "I strongly advice you to not buy auto insurance for your car. If you do, it would be a shame if something happens to it" Finland: "But if i buy insurance, i am insured against stuff that happens to my car, sounds like i should join asap"
The only problem is that insurance is 'make believe'. It has never been applied nor tested in today's world. No one has had to use it before..... So will it work when it's needed? Prob not. The claim would be denied lol and the car would indeed be smashed the hell up, no doubt on that. Especially when your insurance "adjuster" is a incoherent potato.
@@austism1 Precisely. There are no certainties in the life and death of nations, and no perfect security alliances, but NATO has spent 70+ years getting very close indeed.
@@austism1 What are you talking about? If the "insurance" is joining NATO, it is definitely not make believe. It wasn't tested because people are certain that the insurance will pay out. Thats the point.
@@theacme3 It hasn't been tested because there is no insurance for nuclear "damages" to your car.... there is no such claim that exists... no repairs can be done... no autoshops to take it too... it would be over. Your insurance is worth shit. Especially if it means it could mean the end of the insurance company all together if they "help" you join lol. They wont risk it. WHICH IS THE POINT. The leader of the insurance company doesnt even know what year it is let alone care to help these countries... I mean customers lol
As a Norwegian I can say that whether or not they join NATO, a lot of Norwegians will come to their aid! The Finish people are our family, and if someone attacks your family, you make them bleed!
very noble but not very wise. No one actually threatened the Finns (except the mainstream media, who keep imagining fantasy as fact. Try pulling away from your television for a few years. You'll notice that your brain will be released from subliminal programming. You could find the effect exhilarating!
@@ollimustonen Good luck, Olli. You guys are going to need it. You obviously know nothing of NATO's unpleasant past, so research Operation Gladio for a start.
I think it goes further than that. I'd say that if Russia attacks Finland or Sweden - regardless of whether they join NATO - the EU and US/Canada (with or without NATO) will almost definitely join on Finland/Sweden's side. Ukraine isn't considered to be quite "close enough" to the west to be worth protecting, but Finland and Sweden definitely are. by the way, I'm not saying Ukraine doesn't deserve more support than it's currently getting (it definitely does!). I'm just trying to see the (ugly) political reality.
As a Finn, I honestly think that the situation is clearer now than ever before. We would no longer need to consider whether our military is capable and large enough to repel a Russian invasion, when we can instead avoid an invasion by joining NATO. It is becoming even more obvious that Russia sees neutrality as weakness and indecisiveness, and has no respect for it.
@@Frozenpizzareviewer Invading Finland would be insane. Russia can't fight a two front war. Also, Finnish entry into NATO would be automatic, because they meet all the requirements and have been conducting joint operations with NATO for years. It's not the same situation as Ukraine at all.
russia has no interest in invading finland, russia never invaded finland historicaly, except for political reasons or tactical reasons, finland is not important, but if it shows itself wanting to join the anti-russia pact, formed by historical russophobes, then yeah and i support them.
Finland should join a third faction, well if russia and nato dish out finland is on the loosing side, no matter what. unlike Ukraine who are considered brother to russians, finnish are not in the same spot. its easier to kill a stranger than a brother so the backlash on striking finland is much milder than ukraine.
I spent some time in Finland, got to know the people and their culture. I honestly believe that if Putin attempted another invasion, Russia would get seriously fucked up. Finns don't mess about and they're tough. Imagine a fully trained, modern, western army of up to 500,000 with a Ukrainian tenacity. Kunnia Suomelle!
@kevin Smith......it's more than that. Ukraine is embarrassing Russia without any real air power. Finland has a much better air force than Ukraine. If NATO ever gets involved Russia is in real trouble. Russian armor won't even get over the border against NATO air power. Those long convoys would be smashed.
@@user-js5sh7rb8v FOr some reason, people have this idea that if russia were to "invade" finland it would do so on the ground... why? russians have no ties to finland citizen.. they would just bomb them... alot
A russian attack on Finland would be very costly. There would be a huge Scandinavian solidarity. Sweden with its strong military industry and Norway with its oil and money would build up a massive support system.
As a Swede I can say this. I will lay down my life protecting any and all Nordic country from military aggression. We are brothers and sisters now and always.
im finnish and work in geriatric care. it breaks my heart to see how scared and anxious my patients who lived through our last war are about this whole situation. so many of them cry to me and say they really thought they would only have to go through one war in their life times… whether or not russia ever attacks finland again, one thing is clear: we all fucking hate putin.
The Russian army easily penetrated the Mannerheim line. The result is that the Finns lost that war in a few days, but everyone is told that they inflicted heavy losses on the Russians (Fake).
Russia is the kind of friend that says to you "If you be friend with them, then I'll make sure you REGRET it." Then acts shocked when you get better friends.
I'd say that Russian friendship includes 'you will do this - OR ELSE' - extortion, which they then like to mask with neutrality and peaceful ideals - so that you will remain on the leash. At least that is how it used to work during Soviet Russian era - and Putin seems to miss that time a bit too much.
@@Clickty Operation Weserübung started one month after Winter War ended. Norway was still free during Winter War, and there were Norwegian volunteers fighting for Finland. Most of the volunteers didn't make it to the frontlines before the war was over, and those who did was also on more peaceful fronts. Many of those who made it in time, were later important figures in Norwegian resistance movement.
As a Norwegian I can confirm that a LOT of us will take up arms to defend Finland, no matter what! Whether they join NATO or not, we would fight for them. Because we see them as a sibling, if someone attacks your family you make them bleed!
Even though us in the US are split on many issues it’s about 95% in solidarity of wanting Ukraine to be free from Putin’s dictatorship and forced rule, you don’t deserve the horrors you are experiencing and in America nothing is cut off we have access to everything and it makes me sick everyday to see the atrocities in Ukraine. Peace and Love to all affected. Honestly I send peace and love to all the sane citizens of Russia that don’t support this nonsense either. Putin is a flat dictator and has forced the world turn take everything away from Russia to cripple Putin which sucks because normal citizens who don’t deserve it are unfortunately punished.
Ukraine pretends to be a democracy. Zelensky closed opposition channels and jailed his political rival, all before war. He passed the law that forbade speaking Russian at work, and that's in Russian speaking regions. Ukrainian culture has involved nationalist agenda for years. I mean, no one seems to care now
I completed my mandatory conscription service in March 2020. Two years later, i volunteered for re-enlistment following the Russian invasion of Ukraine on 24th of February 2022. Ive since then partaken in Military rehearsals and have taken upon myself to attend courses both in civilian life and the ones hosted by the Military. If it should come to it, that an invasion would take place during my lifetime, i will not hesitate to take up arms to defend my home, family, friends, country and my freedom. Whether or not it comes with the help of Nato, doesnt affect my judgement. Ive made the decision to stand my ground if need be. It is my constitutional right to have the honor to die standing up, rather than continue living life on my knees. Freedom and Liberty are non-negotiable.
The latest support polls for NATO in Finland are at 68%. It's pretty obvious to us that NATO is the only way forward and it would be great to have Sweden join at the same time, like we did with EU membership. Sweden & Finland have a long joint history together and Swedes (together with Estonians) are considered the closest allies in every way possible.
@@Doorisessa It was a MTV / Corefiner poll, published on 11th of April 2022 (MTV is a major news channel in Finland). 68% supported joining NATO, 12% were against, 20% did not have an opinion.
Hope the lady in power decides otherwise (but unlikely). NATO is an aggressive and violent organisation. They leave blood and ruins behind (Yugoslavia, Libya, etc)
The only way forward is the way you have been dealing with NATO and Russia for so many years of peaceful relationships and good trading partnerships. That is the only way forward, to stay neutral and keep diplomacy do its thing.
There is also an excess deathrate of pretty much 46 thousand per month in Germany, caused by lol you know what we sticked in these kids arms :) Heil Germany our Pfizer !
As a grandson of a Winter war veteran, who was serving and fighting for his life on the toughest front in Karelia during 1939-40, it shatters me when I think of how we never learn from wars and the absolute HORROR it brings to humanity. Finland was in a very desperate situation barely 80 years ago, learning from both history books and personal stories of veterans, it would seem an alien thing, like a thing of the past to think about it nowadays. But now we're currently(and have been for a long time) living in a world where dictatorships thrive once more at the cost of its denizens, held under tight control. We're living through another terrible chapter that should never have rhymed or repeated in modern times. I dearly hope Finland and all other nations will never see the light of day when their country is in a state of war, even if our army has always been prepared for the worst. It feels hopeless knowing that there's nothing you can concretely do as an individual to change the course of history, but hopefully as a collective, we can change for the better. Whether you're Russian or Ukrainian, I hope you can make a difference. As small, as big as it may be, a change for better. May all Ukrainians hold out and survive against absolute tyranny. Slava Ukraini!
Yes, Finland was learning 80 years how to join the NATO Fourth Reich. Now start preparing for war. You can see how NATO Fourth Reich has been preparing Ukraine for war Iin 7 years and it is not certain that it has prepared it well enough.
"the absolute HORROR it brings to humanity" .... Very true. Most of us do not realize the horrors. "living in a world where dictatorships thrive once more at the cost of its denizens" .... How does one prevent this? I don't think you do. America has tried but then is accused of meddling and hegemony, whether that's a correct assessment or not.
Based on the recent performance of Russia's soldiers and the state of their equipment and logistics, Russia would basically be throwing thousands of soldiers to their death if they try Finland in conventional warfare. Finland has a lot of well-trained and highly motivated soldiers backed by modern equipment and other western European countries. Russia cannot afford to open a new war front. They're incredibly bad in contact warfare. If Putin didn't have that nuclear weapon option, this war would have been over a lot sooner.
Russia has a good historical record of sending thousand of young men to their deaths anyway. If you think that they won't do it cus it sounds insane by 2022 standards, you're mistaken. They will keep sending men to die... but eventually they will win. Not being afraid to lose millions of young people, is something that CAN allow someone big with so much manpower like russia, just win. Doesn't mean that it will be a pretty win, it won't.. it will be a humiliation struggle. But they will get the land they want.
@@musicilya6674 This is the only thing left for Russia... trying to scare people of nuclear war so maybe someone will respect them again. Sorry, but it's not working.
@@akhsdenlew1861 I'd like to think that the Russians themselves won't let it get to that point. It might be wishful thinking on my part but I'd think that they, of all people, would not want another Stalin in power.
I am from Ukraine and someone told me that Finland's history is similar to us, so I'm here (maybe because all our troubles are from our common neighbour). I wish I knew about you earlier. Hope I could visit Finland one day❤️
Its not only about protecting Finland. Finland has a great military. But what about the Baltic countries? Finland has a great relations with Estonia for example. I currently live in a country in the middle of the Europe, so we do not have to be afraid of Russian attack on us, because we do not share a border. But if we did not agree to protect the Baltic countries and Poland, Russia would have already invaded them. EU is mostly made from small countries, we are no superpowers, but together we are strong and can defend our values and have economical prosperity and peace.
Most European countries are not small. Most have large populations and huge GDP. We have a large army here in Poland, so in dangerous situation we will only count on the help of the US and UK.
Russian attack on any NATO member will result in nuke war in days if not hours, for even insane Putin will figure it out zero chance to win a non nuke war vs NATO.
One of the former billionaires in Russia that was exiled basically stated in an interview, or practically every interview that he's on now, that Putin is nothing more than a bully and cannot really understand any sort of diplomatic intentions. He only responds to force and strength. So technically speaking if Finland and Sweden want to avoid conflicts with Russia militarily all they have to do is actually join NATO and Russia will never dare touch them. Same thing for every other country in the world that wants to avoid a Russian aggression with a military invasion
Exactly. Russia and through putin is projecting what will stop them. Dont join nato means join nato. Like thing one and two from cat in the hat, opposite is true.
But how do countries avoid constant invasions and mass murders from the US/UK and NATO? Ofcourse, saying anything against the west must make me a russian bot, or supporter, but I am curious how do we prevent US and UK from killing 1.1 million Iraqis, over 1 million Vietnamese, destroying Lybia, Syria, Laos, Cambodia, Afghanistan and dozens of other nations they ruined in the past 8 decades?
One thing people forget or don't know about is that Finland still has fortified defensive line in place on the whole length of their eastern border. Its not currently in operational use but it could be made totally operational with modern weapons in few months with enough workers. The bunkers are totally usable, trenches would not take long to dig, other fortifications and tank traps would not take that long either. Even if modern warfare is usually seen not as conventional warfare as it was back in WWII defensive lines still can work as well as back then. People know about Mannerheim line that worked well in Winter War to hold off the Soviets well Salpa line that was build after it is even worse for attackers it just never saw action as the peace was signed before finnish troops had to fall back to it and after the WWII it has stand there and is still in tip top shape most parts. The whole line is considered cultural heritage site so it can't be destroyed and who could destroy bunkers meant to be able to survive almost anything you could shoot them with.
I can answer this very quickly. Finland joins Nato, invasion avoided. Russia has proven that it doesn't care about neutrality, agreements nor territorial borders. The only way to avoid being bullied by a dumb bully, is to be strong enough to not be bullied.
But Russia doesn't care of Finland. In ukraine they can get lots oil gas, coal and food, but in Finland there's only useless forest for Russia which they already have
@@Juho221 Finland is the European energyreserve of the atomic age. We have more uranium than europe needs for the next 150.000 years. We have fresh water more than the europe could use. And we have rare earth minerals and metals that are needed for the modern semiconductor industry aplenty. In short, Finland is the mining superpower of europe that has not yet materialized.
Finland-Russia border is already housing 200 000 people, 6 feet below, all from Soviet Union. They've been there for about 80 years without complains so my guess is that they are enjoying their stay. If Putin wants, we can always accomodate more room for extra guests. We also have few hundred thousand people ready and trained to welcome them, so customer service is not going to be an issue. Tervetuloa.
And Russia have one RS-Sarmant for you too.It's Maximum speed is 25.560km/h so calculate how long it will take him to get to you, and currently there is no anti-aircraft system that can shoot down a missile flying faster than 4000 km/h
The Fins are legends and the Russians fear and respect them because off their performance and heroism during the second world war.I know an ex captain in the Finnish special forces and he told me about their maneuvers in the area along the border: lots of heavy driving of course but jokes aside some very impressive military tactics and knowledge.
There are a few differences between Ukraine and Finland which means Russia will never succeed with a land attack. First of all they are pretty bad at it as it has shown over and over again, the regions that they have attacked in Ukraine are basically flatlands, any uneven terrain and they get their teeth kicked in. Terrain in eastern finnish border is a whole other story, the few roads that lead into the country are carved out of tundra, mud and extremely thick forest. Second is that just like in the Winter War, this is what Finland has been training for for since WWII, it's the only thing they been training for while Russians have been training for defense only. Also EU Mutual Defense clause means any and all EU-members can freely come into Finland and defend it whenever they want, one thing we know is that there are a lot of fingers on the trigger in EU right now waiting to squeeze. Basically the threats have lost their effect after a decade of throwing them around and people are getting sick of them.
Land attack aimed to avoid civilian casualties in Ukraine. Now ask why would Russia try to save civilians in Finland, if they can just annihilate you by bombing?
@@Powerofriend lol, keep thinking that, there is a reason why most people are nervous about this whole thing. Nuclear missile without nuclear warheads can still travel just as fast and hit the same targets. So yes, they can "just bomb it" if they really want to
I'm a Finnish person myself, and I have from the very moment Russia started rattling its saber against Finland that now would be the time to join the NATO. The only real consequences they could impose right now are economic ones, as they are preoccupied with killing Ukrainian civvies and could not realistically attack Finland. And so, between being threatened by Kremlin on a semi-weekly basis and seeing what happened to other countries attempting to remain neutral (although not a part of the EU), I believe that NATO membership's gotta be now or never. Although what I said might sound like it's coming straight out of Langley, VA, I assure you that they are not devised by any Bioluminescent organisms employed by the CIA.
Russia could see Finland joining Nato so important matter that they could raise couple million men army and start attacking, so it does not matter where their current armies are they can still make couple millions more. Question is will they do it?
@@freezedeve3119 I do not believe they could raise a couple million men and start attacking. That is a tremendous logistical undertaking, some ten times larger than the one Russia is currently having trouble with in Ukraine. Couple that with the fact that the Eastern Finnish countryside is difficult to traverse, made up mostly of forest, the very vulnerable 20-mile columns in Ukraine would be blushing at the sight of the entirety of Russian military incompetence laid bare before their eyes. All this obviously sprinkled with abandoned tanks being town away by local Valmet tractors.
@@freezedeve3119 They are already having problems supplying their current forces and are experiencing crippling low moral. Millions of concripts would have even more less moral.
As a Nigerian living in Finland,hey Russia bring it on,we Africans in finland will fight till death,Finland has given us alot,and we will give back to Finland,we are waiting.
@@ronaldhonore5730 you should read a bit about Gaddafi. Just to jog some memory why NATO was there and with how many countries. Cold statistics on NATOs side I admit, but considering the "opposing force" being tge kind of guy they were... My point is; NATO and their actions were something called "lesser evil" in this case.
"Russia didn't take long to mobilize their own ground troops along their border with Ukraine before a heavy invasion." While true, Russia did build a network chain leading down to the border since 2014 as per satellite tracking. This recent invasion has been long coming.
That is probably most fucked up preparing what i see right now. In silence Finland join Nato and same time prepare to that Russia try to make some problems to that. Good think is that Russia is out of Soldiers. Atleast below the ground. Under the ground plenty.
I’d love to see a journalist ask Putin: “President Putin, given that you have argued that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was justified because Ukraine has historically been part of Russia, could you tell us when Russia plans to return to the Finns the 11% of Finland seized by Russia during WWII?”
Maybe they could trade, Russia gets the donbas, Finland gets its 11% back, everyone "happy" In al seriousness, the fighting over the relative small amounts of land can not be worth it.
"The Finns think that if Putin can slaughter his sisters, brothers and cousins in Ukraine, as he is doing now, then there is nothing stopping him from doing it in Finland." Alexander Stubb
Interesting tidbit: Mutual Defence Clause has attachment requested by Finland; Member States have a obligation to aid and assists AS THEY SEE FIT FOR THEM. This mean the can pretty much choose what ever, from military actions to food aid.
If Russia were to try an invasion of Finland from that base up north, they'd be going into a very sparsely populated region. The capital city, Helsinki, is nearly 500 miles away. Their logistics would be extremely hard--pressed to supply the invasion force while it was still in Russia and not under attack. As they've learned in Ukraine, they'd never be able to maintain it on a 500 mile march through hostile territory, and there's simply nothing worth grabbing in the vicinity of that border crossing point. There are virtually no other bases in that part of Russia to augment a buildup and further logistic support either. Russia has far more densely-clustered bases to the south, very near Helsinki. If they decided to attack, they'd do it there.
There are lots of military bases and assets scattered all across the country. Some are big bases, others are small secret caches. Russia would need to invade the whole country if they want to have any effect and stop insurgencies, not just encircle Helsinki.
@@gordonski9310 I think he mean road or train network. Anyway their supplies wouldn't last because of Finland not being flatland and their convoy would be attacked by hidden soldiers.
@@Boomkokogamez Actually the worst mistake Russia could do is to assemble a convoy similar to what they did north of Kiev. That convoy would be decimated in it's entirety. Finland has very capable air force and accurate long range artillery, complimented with MLRS systems. Russia wouldn't have anything even resembling an air superiority over Finland either, so yea. There's just no point in Russia invading Finland. It would be a horrible blood bath for Russian conscripts.
@@gordonski9310 Yes. And do u guess what kind of artillery they have targeted there few places where u come in. U can not leave roads. Thats a main problem. Forest are too thick, Lakes are making it impossible in winter or summer. And terrain is not flat. And yes there are several big bridges to go on. I said Russian troops could come in like 5km and no more. Its important to let them come atleast somepoint in our area. Easier to destroy in certain places.
Russia attacking Finland - even without NATO backing - would result in its army being sent home in small pieces. Simo Haya was the most exceptional sniper, but he wasn't exceptional as a Finn. They look, sound, and act like very nice people - and they are - until you invade their country.
They have the largest artillery in Europe with an armed force just as technologically sound as the UK or Germany. The Finnish landscape would be hellish for the Russians as they'd have to move through deep valleys and forests, perfect for artillery ranging and full-scale ambushes. Not to mention every bridge and road could be easily and quickly blown up, making it that much harder to move across. All aircraft the Russians have would easily be taken out by advanced air-to-air systems, of which they have a huge amount. The only way they could realistically defeat the Finns would be via nukes.
if Simo Hayha saw this, he'd probably just be like in an annoyed tone "here we go again" and make those 500 or so kills to like 1000+ and go back to drinking once he gets bored
Brit living in Finland for 17yrs here. Note to Russian potential aggression. Don't. You will be crushed. Not that I'm a military type, but the Finns are more than ready, Nato or not. And going by Russian track record so far.. There's not much to fear. I know lots af Russians that live here too, and they happily live away. (as well as Russians in St Petersburg, not terribly faraway, that protest against it all). I think if anything, every effort should be made to keep peace, and Finns lead a good example.
I think we need to realize that Russia's greatest military prowess were mainly defensive in nature. When Russians are on the attack, they often struggle due to poor logistics and a lack of coordination.
@@UhYeahWhateverDude Nukes they cannot use, because it would cause Russia to fight about 50countries at once. Not only NATO, also countries like India would take huge offence at the use of nukes. The moment they use a single nuke is the moment Russia will be destroyed and never recover again. China wouldn't save them, because China wants to keep existing along with potential trade partners.
It wasn't Russia at the time of WW2 but Soviet Union. Millions soldiers fight for Red Army were from other Socialist Republics not modern russian territory. It's annoying that people keep saying that Russia 'won'....without support of other Republics, Nazi would have burn St Petersburg and Moscow to the ground. Russia alone isn't that strong. It took them years and two wars to submit Chechnya, just a small region. I'm praying that Ukraine will win this war and Russians will redimensionate their ego once for all.
I'm very impressed about the accuracy of this analysis and bringing in all the historical facts correctly - this really paints the picture as it is: it's not black and white, it's very nuanced.
As a American. I just wanted to say that I support whatever decision Finland and Sweden makes. I have no doubt the governments will do what they feel is best for their people. /cheers.
In recent polls around 65-70% of people supoort NATO membership and most of the parliament supports it so it's only a matter of time when Finland will actually join
@@jari2018 En taida tota logiikkaa ymmärtää kun kyllä tää on ihan koko kansan tahto. En itse ollut NATO innokas, mutta en kyllä halua talvisota tilannetta, että jäädään yksin katselee Putlerin riehuntaa jos se tulee yli rajan.
Very well made review of the topic! One thing I would like to add: for Putin, Ukraine in not a real country, but just a separatist province that have unlawfully been torn apart from historic Russia with the collapse of USSR, therefore Ukraine must be brought back by any price (as well as Belarus). As for Finland - I think he tolerates it as a country, therefore more restraint towards it status.
Finland was under the Russian empire until the independence in 1917, so it's not hard for the current Czar to imagine that this land belongs to His majesty.
@@urbaraskpraetor3316 You don't kill so many people without having mental issues. Every normal person in a similar role or situation has second thoughts. Furthermore, snipers see every person they kill more than any other combatant.
@@the11382 Snipers are routinely mentally examined by the US Army because they have such a low occurrence of PTSD. The military wants to know why so they can gain insight to help other people in the military to cope.
For God's sake, I'm a Russian I've never heard of the Baltic states or things like Finland etc. I basically don't know where Finland is on a map, don't mess with your luck, remember that Vietnam, which was basically unarmed, drenched NATO in a pool of bl0d, so don't trust too much
Finland is a land of swamps lakes and dense forests. Not a place for the armor centric doctrine of the Russian military. The land is populated by a people with a proud history of defending their homeland. As the Russian army is proving itself to be a Potemkin force in Ukraine, the remnants of the Russian army that escape the wrath of Ukraine will roll into Finland and never return. Kunniaa Suomi! 🇫🇮 🇺🇸
Good luck for the low morale Russian troops trying to come to our forests, they can once again learn what it means for the forest to tell them "Kuole ryssä".
Finland is also very heavily armed and well equipped, for example its artillery is the largest in the Western Europe and total reserve is almost 1M. Russia would need to deal with long range stealth cruise missiles, F-35 fighter jets (currently replacing F/A-18) and all kinds of other nasty things, i.e. attack would be way too costly for them and I doubt the Russian soldiers and citizens would be very motivated to wage war.
@@expectation0 We are not afraid. But we consider joining NATO, because Russia is apparently so bad at making decisions that it's no longer a guarantee that they would stay away from Finland. Being in NATO would more than likely prevent the conflict, since Finland definitely isn't worth starting a war with NATO. Simply put, we aren't worried about surviving war with Russia, we are trying to avoid it. And if you seriously fucking think about asking "why would we want to avoid a war with Russia then", then I would very kindly ask you to take your ignorant head out of your asshole. Obviously we don't want a war, even if we are confident we would deal ten times the casualties to the opponent and keep our independence. Life is not Call of Duty. Thousands of people would still lose their homes, a lot of our people would still die even if ten enemies fell for one Finn. We still would not *gain* anything out of it.
6:15 I'd argue it's not due to fear but stems from a healthy wariness that comes with the package of being neighbours with Russia. It's a reality we Finns are very accustomed to. To say we fear Russian aggression is to say we fear the coming of winter.
@@kingnothing007 the Winter War in 1939 was started by Russians, thanks to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact when Russia was a good pal with nazi Germany. The Continuation War 1941-1944 was Finnish attempt to regain the losses from the Wintrr War. And yes, in the continuation war we received aid from Germany because no other country would help us.
@@kingnothing007 Nazi Germany was not an ally of Finland but in fact an ally of the USSR when the Red Army invaded Finland in the Winter War. Germany imposed a naval blockade on Finland in support of the USSR at the time.
I would like to add a quote by our president when asked about the current situation and wether or he is scared of Russia: "I'm not scared, and Finns are not scared but surely we are fully awake."
@@kingnothing007 dude, the British are training together with the Finnish army in Finland right now. They brought British main battle tanks with them to Finland for that purpose just weeks ago.
@@vertie2090 untrue, all NATO personnel aren't in Finland anymore. They were and it was mostly Americans. Finland is training in Norway... keep up to date with the news... at least you'll know when to evacuate
Thanks deadward, we certainly appreciate Russians like you. We don't have anything against you, it's only that we want to secure our integrity and independence. That is why we are applying Nato. We would have liked to continue business as it was, but Putins policy too irrational for our safety.
Middle vague block country. 50's would count as eastern block to some degree, no marshall aid etc. Finland was an inbetween country between west and east in cold war, being dictated by both sides who finland could trade with and what, but finland did still trade with both. For examples see computers and the deep sea submarines, the subs cia said were ok to sell to ussr/russia because they thought finland couldn't do them, but finland could and then they put a stop to that(why ussr didn't build them themselves was that they lacked the proper steel metallurgy). Finland also sold cranes to soviet block etc, which has a bunch of interesting stories about it that they couldn't actually get to one base they sold a crane to so had to instruct soviets on how to erect it and followed it getting erected from, get this, western satellite images(the cranes in question were big ass shipyard cranes which for again for some reason ussr couldn't provide themselves)
@@lasskinn474 Do you know how much other western countries have been trading with Soviet-Russia? Finland is a very western and Nordic country. 75% of forests are owned by private sectors. Also properties. Finland has a free market economy. Finland has got percentually more small private businesses than US. Finland has got all the freedoms in the world. Forinstance the best freedom of press. The best freedom of religion. The best freedom of speech. You can google about it. Finland is economically, politically, geographically and religiously a Nordic country and a member of Nordic council. .
@@blackcoffeebeans6100 depends what year you look at. like said no marshall aid due to pressure, ussr had big power in finnish politics to the point where people like kekkonen could use fear of it - and they could affect finnish politics directly and so forth. even freedom of the press was so-so in some years. and at times prominent politicians were just openly ussr fanboy communists too seeing czechoslovakia '68 as necessary for protecting workers rise and all other kinds of bull like that. and no there's not other western countries just wouldn't flat out sell ussr some stuff that finland sold and finland sold what it could if not told by the west to not sell(and also bought ussr jets and tanks, but also swedish jets). of course post ussr falling finlands been strictly "western", but even then it took russia attacking ukraine for finland to apply for nato due to russian influence on finnish politics via fear - so heavy was the legacy of ussr and russian influence on finnish politics - to the point where russian high ranking politicians were talking about the issue as if it wasn't our decision to make! but anyway saying that finland was strictly western after ww2 is not really being honest and ignores the main issue which is THAT THE CENTER PARTY WILL BETRAY EVERYONE ALWAYS, no matter if you're right or left wing they find a way.
Well, to comment the video's content. What russia actually might think if they would decide to invade finland what ever the reason. 1. Terrain. Finland is mostly forest. Finnish military is trained operating in guerilla type operation in forests. 2. Finland has the one of the biggest (if not the biggest) trained army reserve in europe 3. Finnish military equipment is quite modern. It doesn't rely anymore to russian era equipment like for example ukraina. 4. Finlands military training is concidered very good in international standars. Professional soldiers in finnish military are highly regarded. 5. Finnish artillery is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) in europe The deterrance of finnish defence is there and working just fine.
@@lunatic_nebula9542 as Finnish service men myself i can confirm of 280 000 active troops + 900 000 trained reserves Out of 5.7million people also Every farm House family has about 1-5 ww2 leftover weapons/hunting rifles. Also Every City block has bomb shelters. Most important we Have motivation to stand For Our fatherland as did Our great Grand fathers and mothers once! SLAVA FINLANDIA SLAVA UKRAINE!
@@Tonyholmsify more like ~10 000 active troops considering staff/ SOF / and conscription readiness units. You are mistaking 280 000 with the wartime strength,
You are forgeting the most important weapon in finnish defense system: Perkele Broom Its all fun and games, until bombs start falling and destroying everything. See what is happening in Ukraine?
I served my conscription in artillery many many years ago, but with few hour retraining I could still operate/aim both artillery cannons I used and probably others too. And I've seen some of the depos middle of nowhere with hundreds cannons fully maintained and operational back in the day. I bet there are literally hundreds if not thousands of these depos well hidden. I can only imagine what it is nowadays. I bet there are spare cannons to each crew and there are many generation of artillery crews in reserves.
Ukraine wasn't neutral at all. They broke all ties with Russia and boykotted almost all russian trade. They wanted to join NATO which Russia didn't like to have at their border.
@@moai4110 the warsaw pact was dissolved on the condition that nato would stop expansion in the east after Germany joined it, did it stop? no, it ended up reaching all the way to russia's borders with the inclusion of previous ussr members as well, there were many ways for nato to stop this invasion from happening at all, but they stood back and watched ukraine burn
@@moai4110 i am not saying what russia did was right or justified in any way, it can never be, but they are not doing it without reason and nato had be provoking by not honoring the deal for years, putin had questioned this in 2007 as well to which US denied the deal despite having proofs, their own ministers and scholars had called the US government out multiple times, they didn't do it. this is the result. nato had ways to stop this situation from even arising yet didn't. they are not innocent either
Rules of warfare:
1)Don’t fight Russia during the winter, you’ll lose.
2)If you are Finnish, ignore rule #1, it does not apply to you.
until they throw a nuclear weapons on you
Clearly you haven't read up on how Winter War ended. But do give it a try sometime
@@DAIadvisor 😂😂
Yeah finland did well but in the end they still lost. Which was rather unsurprising, given the Soviet Union had enough military assets to conquer the entirety of mainland europe including spain had the d-day invasion not taken place. Thankfully d-day happened
Lmao 😂 true
Finland: We're not joining NATO, it's just an "Enhanced Opportunity Operation".
Finland isn't neutral they support the west to kill the east
Finland isn't the good guys
Yesssir
Finland either getting brownie points or is theoretically under the American influence umbrella
@@sinoroman And who made everyone need to find an umbrella?......
Uno reverse card on Russia
I am an Indian living in Finland. I really love the honesty, integrity and hardwork that an average Finn displays in daily life. Finland, unlike many other European countries, does not have a bloody history of colonialism. Finns have developed themselves by sheer determination and hard work. Average Finns are patriotic without being xenophobic. There are reasons why Finland ranks number 1 in human development index time and again. Long live Finland 🇫🇮 ❤️ ❤️.
Respect
Such a nice thing to say. Hope you enjoy it here!
Spot on! Thanking you as a Finn.
Juuri näin👍
Kiitos!
I'm a croat born and raised in Germany. I was shocked to witness a war in my country, Croatia and now again...in 21st century to see such a massacre in Ukraine where 10 mil. people are displaced and many thousands are being killed, whole cities destroyed. Unfortunately, all this caused by Russian army. I was few times in Helsinki, Espoo and admire your beutiful country which is so different compared to Croatia but on the other hand we have much in common: we love our homeland, we are proud people, we strive to be independant, we love democracy and freedom. In last 80 years Finnland has done great achievements in protecting their lovely nature, creating the world's best design, achievements in human rights, economy, world's best education system. With such a heritage and known Finnish values I am sure that Finland will again wisely decide what's in their best interest ( together with Sweden). You have our fully support from Croatia.
Olen oppinut paljon, kittos.
🇭🇷♥️🇫🇮
I'm a Russian. I grew up on hockey, where finnish players were playing for my local hockey team. I love them all so much, even tho my sister once really wanted to move to Finland. So I don't support any Russian agression to Finland or Ukraine, because I think my country should change to focus from invading country to start developing it's own. Much love to Suomi
thank you ❣️ us Finns hate Putin, not Russians :)
So basic you are
Unless you plan to do it without trade or interaction with the west, Putin's gotta go.
@Hendra Li Ты в порядке?)
@@deadward389 its a trol.
I think this video misses the main reason why Russia hasn't invaded Finland and the main philosophy behind Finnish defense.
Finland has made the thought of invading it incredibly costly. Finland can mobilize more than half a million trained soldiers from a population of 5,5 million. Every building above a certain size has a bomb shelter. Every bridge is designed with slots that make destroying them with explosives easy. Finland has prepared for an invasion since the second world war and has enough guns to hand every willing person a East-German AK and tell them to camp in the forest.
And what would Russia gain from invading Finland? Finland has little natural resources, there are only a few million people and Finland's location is not that strategically useful all things considered. The main philosophy behind Finnish deference is a cost benefit analysis. What would a potential invader gain and what would it cost?
The reason behind the move towards NATO is partly fear yes, but also the benefit of remaining neutral is not that great to Finland anymore. During the cold war Finland benefited from being able to trade with both east and west but now that Finland is in the EU Finland has to follow the EU sanctions. It is impossible to sit on the fence anymore.
900k reservists (with guns for everyone as well). If war breaks out, the Army can just take anything and everything (like transport vehicles, buildings, anything you can imagine) under its control if it deems it necessary and the terrain is perfect for guerrilla warfare too. And other (infra etc) benefits which I am not gonna discuss here :)
Same strategy as Switzerland has used for over a century now, and you see it works perfectly.
My sister-in-law is Finnish and she says that her brothers have been getting training the last several weeks. There would be a lot of the population ready to fight.
Russia do not want to invade Finland because Putin wants to dominate Europe, Russia will invade Finland or Sweden if they want take a side, Putin will not let any other Russia's neighbor to be a NATO member anymore (and MAYBE, the most concerning way, they might use nuclear weapons against its neighbors)
@@rudi8192 A second invasion? You mean like the Soviet offensive into Finland that was stopped by the Finnish army in summer of 1944?
As a Swede, I shall support my giga-chad Finland friends to the very end
You should probably focus on your country instead lol
@@r2d2musk6 Nah, Finland is in front of us. They're kinda our meatshield.
@@roberto-cm1rb i agree
@@roberto-cm1rb you better keep your meatshield buffed, brother 😎
If worst comes to happen, I trust in your assistance and co-operation.
I’m Swedish too and also would protect our mumin neighbors
As a finnish person i can say that sooooo many finnish people would fight for our country. Even many young people are so ready to fight if we would ever go to war. We are proud to be finnish🇫🇮
Vlad Putina is by far the best recruiting agent NATO has ever had.
So true. I never felt like NATO was needed, but as I see this attack on Ukraine, now I completely changed my view about Russia and now I feel NATO is the best option.
Yeah, I am still somewhat ambivalent about joining NATO, but just the idea of giving Putin a massive middle finger tipped me in favor. Genocidal bastard. I truly wish hell existed, just for war criminals like Putin (his name is apt in French).
@@seppo8383 THIS ATTACK HAPPENED DUE TO NATO ONLY
@@imposter5716 Yeah, only because Ukraine didn't join NATO fast enough to prevent Russia invading.
You are so right about this. It's even suspicious of Vladimir to do it, maybe in the end he is an agent?
As a Norwegian, I don't exactly know why, but all Nordic countries I would defend to my death.
Because we are family❤️🇫🇮🇸🇪🇳🇴🇩🇰🇮🇸
But Sweden has betrayed its neighbours on multiple occasions which is why Scandinavia (+Finland) 'Nordica' is still an umbrella term rather than a political reality. NATO should make demands of both Sweden & Finland. Membership isn't automatic. They are to be respected as sovereign states but this time they have to be open, sharing and passionate rather than merely cherry-picking their obligations as they do in the EU.
It's in your blood. You are Vikings
bullshit
Thank you and likewise! Us Nordics must band together. Unless we’re skiing, then it’s mortal kombat mode.
I'm a Russian. I do not support putin or his war and aggression. I Love Finland -- your people, your architectre and construction, your nature, your metal music and video games in particular! Cheers, and remember that not all Russians are bloodthirsty zombies!
Finnish people do not hate Russians. We only have a problem with certain someone.
@@HOusu88 so do we.
I'm from USA. I dont hate Russians, I hate Putin's decisions. Даже изучаю русский язык уж 3 лет
@@mcniesh1 That's awesome! But it is "уже 3 года", not "уж 3 лет". Russian is a very complicated language. Happy to chat over some beers if you want some practice! Cheers!
Great informative video. Always wanted to know the history of those two countries and you were able to provide without any fluff and time wasted. Again, congratulations extremely well. Keep them coming.
Russia: "I strongly advice you to not buy auto insurance for your car. If you do, it would be a shame if something happens to it"
Finland: "But if i buy insurance, i am insured against stuff that happens to my car, sounds like i should join asap"
The only problem is that insurance is 'make believe'. It has never been applied nor tested in today's world. No one has had to use it before..... So will it work when it's needed? Prob not. The claim would be denied lol and the car would indeed be smashed the hell up, no doubt on that. Especially when your insurance "adjuster" is a incoherent potato.
It only works if you have GOOD insurance.
@@austism1 Precisely. There are no certainties in the life and death of nations, and no perfect security alliances, but NATO has spent 70+ years getting very close indeed.
@@austism1 What are you talking about? If the "insurance" is joining NATO, it is definitely not make believe. It wasn't tested because people are certain that the insurance will pay out. Thats the point.
@@theacme3 It hasn't been tested because there is no insurance for nuclear "damages" to your car.... there is no such claim that exists... no repairs can be done... no autoshops to take it too... it would be over. Your insurance is worth shit. Especially if it means it could mean the end of the insurance company all together if they "help" you join lol. They wont risk it. WHICH IS THE POINT. The leader of the insurance company doesnt even know what year it is let alone care to help these countries... I mean customers lol
As a Norwegian I can say that whether or not they join NATO, a lot of Norwegians will come to their aid!
The Finish people are our family, and if someone attacks your family, you make them bleed!
Yes, remember what was happened with Vidkun Kvisling in Third Reich, then watch out now in Fourth Reich because could be worse.
very noble but not very wise. No one actually threatened the Finns (except the mainstream media, who keep imagining fantasy as fact. Try pulling away from your television for a few years. You'll notice that your brain will be released from subliminal programming. You could find the effect exhilarating!
We are going to join NATO. The wheels are in motion and all this talk is just lot of hand waving so they have time to get all the paperwork in order.
@@ollimustonen Good luck, Olli. You guys are going to need it. You obviously know nothing of NATO's unpleasant past, so research Operation Gladio for a start.
I think it goes further than that. I'd say that if Russia attacks Finland or Sweden - regardless of whether they join NATO - the EU and US/Canada (with or without NATO) will almost definitely join on Finland/Sweden's side. Ukraine isn't considered to be quite "close enough" to the west to be worth protecting, but Finland and Sweden definitely are.
by the way, I'm not saying Ukraine doesn't deserve more support than it's currently getting (it definitely does!). I'm just trying to see the (ugly) political reality.
Great work, OBF, like the graphics very much!
Very god presentation, stating some matters that might not be so obvious or overlooked. Thank you for the work in putting all this together.
As a Finn, I honestly think that the situation is clearer now than ever before. We would no longer need to consider whether our military is capable and large enough to repel a Russian invasion, when we can instead avoid an invasion by joining NATO. It is becoming even more obvious that Russia sees neutrality as weakness and indecisiveness, and has no respect for it.
I mean as soon as they heard about them seriously trying to join NATO then Russia would invade if Ukraine is anything to go by
@@Frozenpizzareviewer They can’t do anything other than idiotically brandish their nuke arsenal. Their conventional army is incompetent.
@@Frozenpizzareviewer Invading Finland would be insane. Russia can't fight a two front war. Also, Finnish entry into NATO would be automatic, because they meet all the requirements and have been conducting joint operations with NATO for years. It's not the same situation as Ukraine at all.
russia has no interest in invading finland, russia never invaded finland historicaly, except for political reasons or tactical reasons, finland is not important, but if it shows itself wanting to join the anti-russia pact, formed by historical russophobes, then yeah and i support them.
Finland should join a third faction, well if russia and nato dish out finland is on the loosing side, no matter what. unlike Ukraine who are considered brother to russians, finnish are not in the same spot. its easier to kill a stranger than a brother so the backlash on striking finland is much milder than ukraine.
I spent some time in Finland, got to know the people and their culture. I honestly believe that if Putin attempted another invasion, Russia would get seriously fucked up. Finns don't mess about and they're tough. Imagine a fully trained, modern, western army of up to 500,000 with a Ukrainian tenacity. Kunnia Suomelle!
Up to 900000.
@kevin Smith......it's more than that. Ukraine is embarrassing Russia without any real air power. Finland has a much better air force than Ukraine. If NATO ever gets involved Russia is in real trouble. Russian armor won't even get over the border against NATO air power. Those long convoys would be smashed.
@@user-js5sh7rb8v FOr some reason, people have this idea that if russia were to "invade" finland it would do so on the ground... why? russians have no ties to finland citizen.. they would just bomb them... alot
show a bully the middle finger, if it doesn't help show him the fist. to hell with this dictators
The plan will be simple disturb the country so they will never join the nato
A russian attack on Finland would be very costly. There would be a huge Scandinavian solidarity. Sweden with its strong military industry and Norway with its oil and money would build up a massive support system.
As a Swede I can say this. I will lay down my life protecting any and all Nordic country from military aggression. We are brothers and sisters now and always.
Don't count on it, the last time the Finns stood alone while the Scandinavian just watched and did nothing during the Winter and continuation war.
im finnish and work in geriatric care. it breaks my heart to see how scared and anxious my patients who lived through our last war are about this whole situation. so many of them cry to me and say they really thought they would only have to go through one war in their life times… whether or not russia ever attacks finland again, one thing is clear: we all fucking hate putin.
The Russian army easily penetrated the Mannerheim line. The result is that the Finns lost that war in a few days, but everyone is told that they inflicted heavy losses on the Russians (Fake).
Russia is the kind of friend that says to you "If you be friend with them, then I'll make sure you REGRET it."
Then acts shocked when you get better friends.
RUSSIANS AND FRIENDS ? ? ? ? ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAH FRIENDS ? AND RUSSIA ? ? ? ? ? ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
The problem with Russia is that the entire country thinks everyone else thinks like a Russian. Not true.
Excellent analogy
I'd say that Russian friendship includes 'you will do this - OR ELSE' - extortion, which they then like to mask with neutrality and peaceful ideals - so that you will remain on the leash. At least that is how it used to work during Soviet Russian era - and Putin seems to miss that time a bit too much.
Excellent for brain dead
Dont worry Finnland. We Norwegian will come and help you again :)
The snow , the icy mud and frozen lake is our home.
What instance of helping are you referring to?
Again? pretty sure you were apart of germany during the winter war lmao
@@Clickty Operation Weserübung started one month after Winter War ended. Norway was still free during Winter War, and there were Norwegian volunteers fighting for Finland.
Most of the volunteers didn't make it to the frontlines before the war was over, and those who did was also on more peaceful fronts. Many of those who made it in time, were later important figures in Norwegian resistance movement.
As a Norwegian I can confirm that a LOT of us will take up arms to defend Finland, no matter what!
Whether they join NATO or not, we would fight for them. Because we see them as a sibling, if someone attacks your family you make them bleed!
@@ingebrigtgullaksen5905 kiitos! thank u we support you also
Thank you for supporting Ukraine. I love you, really
Ukranians are strong! You'll get trough this!
We will definitely win these russians orks with the support of our allies. Все буде Україна!
Even though us in the US are split on many issues it’s about 95% in solidarity of wanting Ukraine to be free from Putin’s dictatorship and forced rule, you don’t deserve the horrors you are experiencing and in America nothing is cut off we have access to everything and it makes me sick everyday to see the atrocities in Ukraine. Peace and Love to all affected. Honestly I send peace and love to all the sane citizens of Russia that don’t support this nonsense either. Putin is a flat dictator and has forced the world turn take everything away from Russia to cripple Putin which sucks because normal citizens who don’t deserve it are unfortunately punished.
Ukraine pretends to be a democracy. Zelensky closed opposition channels and jailed his political rival, all before war. He passed the law that forbade speaking Russian at work, and that's in Russian speaking regions. Ukrainian culture has involved nationalist agenda for years. I mean, no one seems to care now
@@nicolasiden4074 нацист чистой воды
Excellent video,and very well narrated.
I completed my mandatory conscription service in March 2020. Two years later, i volunteered for re-enlistment following the Russian invasion of Ukraine on 24th of February 2022. Ive since then partaken in Military rehearsals and have taken upon myself to attend courses both in civilian life and the ones hosted by the Military. If it should come to it, that an invasion would take place during my lifetime, i will not hesitate to take up arms to defend my home, family, friends, country and my freedom. Whether or not it comes with the help of Nato, doesnt affect my judgement. Ive made the decision to stand my ground if need be. It is my constitutional right to have the honor to die standing up, rather than continue living life on my knees. Freedom and Liberty are non-negotiable.
Respect
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Hyvin sanottu.
100% agree. Well said. From an American. " Don't tread on me " flag waiving high!
Word.
The latest support polls for NATO in Finland are at 68%. It's pretty obvious to us that NATO is the only way forward and it would be great to have Sweden join at the same time, like we did with EU membership. Sweden & Finland have a long joint history together and Swedes (together with Estonians) are considered the closest allies in every way possible.
I thought the latest was 62%? Where's the 68% from?
@@Doorisessa It was a MTV / Corefiner poll, published on 11th of April 2022 (MTV is a major news channel in Finland). 68% supported joining NATO, 12% were against, 20% did not have an opinion.
Hope the lady in power decides otherwise (but unlikely). NATO is an aggressive and violent organisation. They leave blood and ruins behind (Yugoslavia, Libya, etc)
The only way forward is the way you have been dealing with NATO and Russia for so many years of peaceful relationships and good trading partnerships. That is the only way forward, to stay neutral and keep diplomacy do its thing.
@@andres-gu8yu spoken like a true Kremlin shill.
Well informed video..really enjoyed it
Don't you realize there are already 200,000 russian soldiers on the finnish border, they're just 6 feet deep.
There is also an excess deathrate of pretty much 46 thousand per month in Germany, caused by lol you know what we sticked in these kids arms :)
Heil Germany our Pfizer !
As a grandson of a Winter war veteran, who was serving and fighting for his life on the toughest front in Karelia during 1939-40, it shatters me when I think of how we never learn from wars and the absolute HORROR it brings to humanity. Finland was in a very desperate situation barely 80 years ago, learning from both history books and personal stories of veterans, it would seem an alien thing, like a thing of the past to think about it nowadays.
But now we're currently(and have been for a long time) living in a world where dictatorships thrive once more at the cost of its denizens, held under tight control. We're living through another terrible chapter that should never have rhymed or repeated in modern times. I dearly hope Finland and all other nations will never see the light of day when their country is in a state of war, even if our army has always been prepared for the worst.
It feels hopeless knowing that there's nothing you can concretely do as an individual to change the course of history, but hopefully as a collective, we can change for the better. Whether you're Russian or Ukrainian, I hope you can make a difference. As small, as big as it may be, a change for better.
May all Ukrainians hold out and survive against absolute tyranny. Slava Ukraini!
Yes, Finland was learning 80 years how to join the NATO Fourth Reich. Now start preparing for war. You can see how NATO Fourth Reich has been preparing Ukraine for war Iin 7 years and it is not certain that it has prepared it well enough.
@@markojuric4954 4th Reich? You're a f*** Id***.......... Move to Russia and try to speak your mind see how it goes..
Many learn from the horrors of war, but sociopaths and psychopath like Putin doesn't.
"the absolute HORROR it brings to humanity" .... Very true. Most of us do not realize the horrors.
"living in a world where dictatorships thrive once more at the cost of its denizens" .... How does one prevent this? I don't think you do. America has tried but then is accused of meddling and hegemony, whether that's a correct assessment or not.
@@markojuric4954 lmao
Based on the recent performance of Russia's soldiers and the state of their equipment and logistics, Russia would basically be throwing thousands of soldiers to their death if they try Finland in conventional warfare. Finland has a lot of well-trained and highly motivated soldiers backed by modern equipment and other western European countries. Russia cannot afford to open a new war front. They're incredibly bad in contact warfare. If Putin didn't have that nuclear weapon option, this war would have been over a lot sooner.
Russia has a good historical record of sending thousand of young men to their deaths anyway.
If you think that they won't do it cus it sounds insane by 2022 standards, you're mistaken.
They will keep sending men to die... but eventually they will win.
Not being afraid to lose millions of young people, is something that CAN allow someone big with so much manpower like russia, just win.
Doesn't mean that it will be a pretty win, it won't.. it will be a humiliation struggle.
But they will get the land they want.
That's right. If Russia will go down, the whole world will go down with Russia too.
@@musicilya6674 This is the only thing left for Russia... trying to scare people of nuclear war so maybe someone will respect them again. Sorry, but it's not working.
@@akhsdenlew1861 I'd like to think that the Russians themselves won't let it get to that point. It might be wishful thinking on my part but I'd think that they, of all people, would not want another Stalin in power.
@@musicilya6674 lol if Russia goes down no one except Russians will even notice.
It's difficult to get the nuances correct if you're not a Finn, but a lot of research went into making this video. Appreciate it.
I am from Ukraine and someone told me that Finland's history is similar to us, so I'm here (maybe because all our troubles are from our common neighbour). I wish I knew about you earlier. Hope I could visit Finland one day❤️
Dont believe everything people tell you.
God bless you and God bless Ukraine ✝️🇺🇦🇫🇮✝️
Love and full support from Finland, we have the same enemy
Our history is same because we share asshole neighbor. Slava Ukraine
Its not only about protecting Finland. Finland has a great military. But what about the Baltic countries? Finland has a great relations with Estonia for example. I currently live in a country in the middle of the Europe, so we do not have to be afraid of Russian attack on us, because we do not share a border. But if we did not agree to protect the Baltic countries and Poland, Russia would have already invaded them. EU is mostly made from small countries, we are no superpowers, but together we are strong and can defend our values and have economical prosperity and peace.
Finlands role in Nato would be keeping baltic area safe
Just dont move and live peacefuly.. nothings gonna happen.. just peace
Most European countries are not small. Most have large populations and huge GDP. We have a large army here in Poland, so in dangerous situation we will only count on the help of the US and UK.
Russian attack on any NATO member will result in nuke war in days if not hours, for even insane Putin will figure it out zero chance to win a non nuke war vs NATO.
Idk why people don’t realize this, but, like NATO, an attack on any EU member is an attack on all. (Also Poland and the Baltics are in NATO.)
One of the former billionaires in Russia that was exiled basically stated in an interview, or practically every interview that he's on now, that Putin is nothing more than a bully and cannot really understand any sort of diplomatic intentions. He only responds to force and strength. So technically speaking if Finland and Sweden want to avoid conflicts with Russia militarily all they have to do is actually join NATO and Russia will never dare touch them. Same thing for every other country in the world that wants to avoid a Russian aggression with a military invasion
Bruh. The guy simply wants his money back. He will paint Putin in whatever colors it takes.
Exactly. Russia and through putin is projecting what will stop them. Dont join nato means join nato. Like thing one and two from cat in the hat, opposite is true.
But how do countries avoid constant invasions and mass murders from the US/UK and NATO? Ofcourse, saying anything against the west must make me a russian bot, or supporter, but I am curious how do we prevent US and UK from killing 1.1 million Iraqis, over 1 million Vietnamese, destroying Lybia, Syria, Laos, Cambodia, Afghanistan and dozens of other nations they ruined in the past 8 decades?
What happen if Russia still attack Finland while they're in Nato. Is Nato really want to attack Russia and potentially trigger a nuclear war
Does this apply to Belarus, should it join NATO to protect itself
Amazing analysis, wow!
One thing people forget or don't know about is that Finland still has fortified defensive line in place on the whole length of their eastern border. Its not currently in operational use but it could be made totally operational with modern weapons in few months with enough workers. The bunkers are totally usable, trenches would not take long to dig, other fortifications and tank traps would not take that long either. Even if modern warfare is usually seen not as conventional warfare as it was back in WWII defensive lines still can work as well as back then. People know about Mannerheim line that worked well in Winter War to hold off the Soviets well Salpa line that was build after it is even worse for attackers it just never saw action as the peace was signed before finnish troops had to fall back to it and after the WWII it has stand there and is still in tip top shape most parts. The whole line is considered cultural heritage site so it can't be destroyed and who could destroy bunkers meant to be able to survive almost anything you could shoot them with.
I can answer this very quickly. Finland joins Nato, invasion avoided. Russia has proven that it doesn't care about neutrality, agreements nor territorial borders. The only way to avoid being bullied by a dumb bully, is to be strong enough to not be bullied.
Russia has always preyed on smaller nations because Russia knows they can't fight back.
But Russia doesn't care of Finland. In ukraine they can get lots oil gas, coal and food, but in Finland there's only useless forest for Russia which they already have
@@Juho221
Finland is the European energyreserve of the atomic age.
We have more uranium than europe needs for the next 150.000 years.
We have fresh water more than the europe could use.
And we have rare earth minerals and metals that are needed for the modern semiconductor industry aplenty.
In short, Finland is the mining superpower of europe that has not yet materialized.
@@Juho221 Listen to little Putin's 2016 speech. He does care about Finland, but it's largely an imperial symbol for him.
Neutrality doesn't mean much if a country has strategic value to an aggressive attacker. Netherlands was neutral in WW2 and yet was invaded by Germany
Finland-Russia border is already housing 200 000 people, 6 feet below, all from Soviet Union. They've been there for about 80 years without complains so my guess is that they are enjoying their stay. If Putin wants, we can always accomodate more room for extra guests. We also have few hundred thousand people ready and trained to welcome them, so customer service is not going to be an issue.
Tervetuloa.
I think you should mention 'your guests' don't have great views from their suites. (I like your humor.)
Kippis!
Pretty humorous post. 👍
Omg it's so easy to talk about your army that will defend your silly ass but tou won't participate I'm sure
And Russia have one RS-Sarmant for you too.It's Maximum speed is 25.560km/h so calculate how long it will take him to get to you, and currently there is no anti-aircraft system that can shoot down a missile flying faster than 4000 km/h
The Fins are legends and the Russians fear and respect them because off their performance and heroism during the second world war.I know an ex captain in the Finnish special forces and he told me about their maneuvers in the area along the border: lots of heavy driving of course but jokes aside some very impressive military tactics and knowledge.
Judging by Russia’s weak military display, Finland would mop the floor with Russia!
Wouldn't be the first time
Lol 😂 True story!
There are a few differences between Ukraine and Finland which means Russia will never succeed with a land attack.
First of all they are pretty bad at it as it has shown over and over again, the regions that they have attacked in Ukraine are basically flatlands, any uneven terrain and they get their teeth kicked in.
Terrain in eastern finnish border is a whole other story, the few roads that lead into the country are carved out of tundra, mud and extremely thick forest.
Second is that just like in the Winter War, this is what Finland has been training for for since WWII, it's the only thing they been training for while Russians have been training for defense only.
Also EU Mutual Defense clause means any and all EU-members can freely come into Finland and defend it whenever they want, one thing we know is that there are a lot of fingers on the trigger in EU right now waiting to squeeze.
Basically the threats have lost their effect after a decade of throwing them around and people are getting sick of them.
Land attack aimed to avoid civilian casualties in Ukraine. Now ask why would Russia try to save civilians in Finland, if they can just annihilate you by bombing?
@@SK-hm3ze ask yourself, after a threat like this, why Finland shouldn’t join nato
@@mikeevans9207 they made a deal to stay neutral so they pretty much can’t get into nato anyway
@@SK-hm3ze Finnish air defenses are up to date. They can't "just bomb" it.
@@Powerofriend lol, keep thinking that, there is a reason why most people are nervous about this whole thing. Nuclear missile without nuclear warheads can still travel just as fast and hit the same targets. So yes, they can "just bomb it" if they really want to
I'm a Finnish person myself, and I have from the very moment Russia started rattling its saber against Finland that now would be the time to join the NATO. The only real consequences they could impose right now are economic ones, as they are preoccupied with killing Ukrainian civvies and could not realistically attack Finland. And so, between being threatened by Kremlin on a semi-weekly basis and seeing what happened to other countries attempting to remain neutral (although not a part of the EU), I believe that NATO membership's gotta be now or never.
Although what I said might sound like it's coming straight out of Langley, VA, I assure you that they are not devised by any Bioluminescent organisms employed by the CIA.
“Bioluminescent organisms employed by the CIA” hahahaha
Russia could see Finland joining Nato so important matter that they could raise couple million men army and start attacking, so it does not matter where their current armies are they can still make couple millions more.
Question is will they do it?
Not today, CIA
@@freezedeve3119 I do not believe they could raise a couple million men and start attacking. That is a tremendous logistical undertaking, some ten times larger than the one Russia is currently having trouble with in Ukraine. Couple that with the fact that the Eastern Finnish countryside is difficult to traverse, made up mostly of forest, the very vulnerable 20-mile columns in Ukraine would be blushing at the sight of the entirety of Russian military incompetence laid bare before their eyes. All this obviously sprinkled with abandoned tanks being town away by local Valmet tractors.
@@freezedeve3119 They are already having problems supplying their current forces and are experiencing crippling low moral. Millions of concripts would have even more less moral.
As a Nigerian living in Finland,hey Russia bring it on,we Africans in finland will fight till death,Finland has given us alot,and we will give back to Finland,we are waiting.
Hearing about another African state demonstrates a lot about the country.
Thank you brother!
It would an honor to battle alongside you 😎
Tremble in fear Ruzi-Putin!
How come you did nothing when nato invaded lybia?
@@ronaldhonore5730 you should read a bit about Gaddafi.
Just to jog some memory why NATO was there and with how many countries.
Cold statistics on NATOs side I admit, but considering the "opposing force" being tge kind of guy they were...
My point is; NATO and their actions were something called "lesser evil" in this case.
Go Finland , greetings from Poland !!!
All my support to the proud finnish soldiers. Respect from Spain🇪🇦
We love Spain as you know, greetings from Helsinki! 👍
So easy to say this when you're far away and have no intentions to help anyone in the frontlines
@@kingnothing007 You know that these days we don't travel by horse. Right?
We're not in a war just yet... but thanks for support!
"Russia didn't take long to mobilize their own ground troops along their border with Ukraine before a heavy invasion." While true, Russia did build a network chain leading down to the border since 2014 as per satellite tracking. This recent invasion has been long coming.
It took Russia months to amass the troops at the Ukrainian border.
It's called predicting and being prepared. 8 years isn't required for building supply network.
That is probably most fucked up preparing what i see right now. In silence Finland join Nato and same time prepare to that Russia try to make some problems to that. Good think is that Russia is out of Soldiers. Atleast below the ground. Under the ground plenty.
I'm Russian as well and I support my mother land over the whole world, there will be no peace for any pinky skin nation without safety of our mom
@@expectation0 yhea whatever bot
Nice video.
What application do you use for the map in your video?
I’d love to see a journalist ask Putin: “President Putin, given that you have argued that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was justified because Ukraine has historically been part of Russia, could you tell us when Russia plans to return to the Finns the 11% of Finland seized by Russia during WWII?”
Putin: If you join NATO there will never be a restitution of any land at all.
Neautrality means you're not theirs... yet.
@@673497 No threat after 77 years of neutrality. :)
Maybe they could trade, Russia gets the donbas, Finland gets its 11% back, everyone "happy"
In al seriousness, the fighting over the relative small amounts of land can not be worth it.
That journalist would drink a tea with polonium
"The Finns think that if Putin can slaughter his sisters, brothers and cousins in Ukraine, as he is doing now, then there is nothing stopping him from doing it in Finland."
Alexander Stubb
They are not their sisters. Never were even during days of Khmelnytsky. Greater Russians want to be slaves, they want to be free.
welcome.
Quit watching western media it contaminates your brains thinking radically.
Only thing is that finns are not slavs like Ukrainian ppl are. So finns are not their brothers and sisters.
Interesting tidbit:
Mutual Defence Clause has attachment requested by Finland; Member States have a obligation to aid and assists AS THEY SEE FIT FOR THEM. This mean the can pretty much choose what ever, from military actions to food aid.
amazing video.
If Russia were to try an invasion of Finland from that base up north, they'd be going into a very sparsely populated region. The capital city, Helsinki, is nearly 500 miles away. Their logistics would be extremely hard--pressed to supply the invasion force while it was still in Russia and not under attack. As they've learned in Ukraine, they'd never be able to maintain it on a 500 mile march through hostile territory, and there's simply nothing worth grabbing in the vicinity of that border crossing point. There are virtually no other bases in that part of Russia to augment a buildup and further logistic support either. Russia has far more densely-clustered bases to the south, very near Helsinki. If they decided to attack, they'd do it there.
Helsinki about 250km from nearest Russian border
There are lots of military bases and assets scattered all across the country. Some are big bases, others are small secret caches. Russia would need to invade the whole country if they want to have any effect and stop insurgencies, not just encircle Helsinki.
@@gordonski9310 I think he mean road or train network. Anyway their supplies wouldn't last because of Finland not being flatland and their convoy would be attacked by hidden soldiers.
@@Boomkokogamez Actually the worst mistake Russia could do is to assemble a convoy similar to what they did north of Kiev. That convoy would be decimated in it's entirety. Finland has very capable air force and accurate long range artillery, complimented with MLRS systems.
Russia wouldn't have anything even resembling an air superiority over Finland either, so yea. There's just no point in Russia invading Finland. It would be a horrible blood bath for Russian conscripts.
@@gordonski9310 Yes. And do u guess what kind of artillery they have targeted there few places where u come in. U can not leave roads. Thats a main problem. Forest are too thick, Lakes are making it impossible in winter or summer. And terrain is not flat. And yes there are several big bridges to go on. I said Russian troops could come in like 5km and no more. Its important to let them come atleast somepoint in our area. Easier to destroy in certain places.
Russia attacking Finland - even without NATO backing - would result in its army being sent home in small pieces. Simo Haya was the most exceptional sniper, but he wasn't exceptional as a Finn. They look, sound, and act like very nice people - and they are - until you invade their country.
Simo Häyhä, may I correct :) Yes, we will send any russkies back home. We have by far the best defence will in the EU.
@@benjamin5370 simo is exceptional in any army where is your pride
@@benjamin5370 base on the performance of russian army in ukraine? i think finland can hold them.
@@benjamin5370 Just a reminder everyone believed ukraine would be swept away within 3 days.. So yeah Finland will be fine.
They have the largest artillery in Europe with an armed force just as technologically sound as the UK or Germany. The Finnish landscape would be hellish for the Russians as they'd have to move through deep valleys and forests, perfect for artillery ranging and full-scale ambushes. Not to mention every bridge and road could be easily and quickly blown up, making it that much harder to move across. All aircraft the Russians have would easily be taken out by advanced air-to-air systems, of which they have a huge amount. The only way they could realistically defeat the Finns would be via nukes.
As a Hungarian from Transylvania, I admire Finland and Sweden. Here in Romania, we all have a lot to learn from you guys!
if Simo Hayha saw this, he'd probably just be like in an annoyed tone "here we go again" and make those 500 or so kills to like 1000+ and go back to drinking once he gets bored
Brit living in Finland for 17yrs here. Note to Russian potential aggression. Don't. You will be crushed. Not that I'm a military type, but the Finns are more than ready, Nato or not. And going by Russian track record so far.. There's not much to fear. I know lots af Russians that live here too, and they happily live away. (as well as Russians in St Petersburg, not terribly faraway, that protest against it all). I think if anything, every effort should be made to keep peace, and Finns lead a good example.
Agree - if they didn't have nukes people would just laugh at them.
@@cardinhamkilligrew9712 that is the thing, he seems trigger happy but the big red button? Threat only, tho it keeps the whole world at bay
Brit living in Finland for over 20 years here :) and agreed
I think we need to realize that Russia's greatest military prowess were mainly defensive in nature. When Russians are on the attack, they often struggle due to poor logistics and a lack of coordination.
Good observation. They don’t invest in their people.
Nukes. It's all about crazy people with nuclear weapons.
@@UhYeahWhateverDude Nukes they cannot use, because it would cause Russia to fight about 50countries at once. Not only NATO, also countries like India would take huge offence at the use of nukes. The moment they use a single nuke is the moment Russia will be destroyed and never recover again.
China wouldn't save them, because China wants to keep existing along with potential trade partners.
It wasn't Russia at the time of WW2 but Soviet Union.
Millions soldiers fight for Red Army were from other Socialist Republics not modern russian territory.
It's annoying that people keep saying that Russia 'won'....without support of other Republics, Nazi would have burn St Petersburg and Moscow to the ground. Russia alone isn't that strong.
It took them years and two wars to submit Chechnya, just a small region.
I'm praying that Ukraine will win this war and Russians will redimensionate their ego once for all.
Much love from Romania towards Finland. Been there, amazing place and exceptional people!
This aged well..
yeah I don't think the writer was paying attention to the news leading up to this. The PM said she'd move quickly on NATO so it's not a surprise.
Proud to have a little Finnish heritage 🇮🇪💙🇫🇮.
I am half Finnish
♥️ from Finland
I may not be a Finn but I absolutely love it... besides that my name is Finnish
🇮🇪🇪🇺🇫🇮🇪🇺
Living next to Russia is really a pain.
Yeah you are so right
I'd imagine so, yeah. 😔
Try china
Mongolian: What pain?
@def creator if you look at the history they did tried to do the same with the Soviets but gets their @sses wooped
I'm very impressed about the accuracy of this analysis and bringing in all the historical facts correctly - this really paints the picture as it is: it's not black and white, it's very nuanced.
can you put your sources in the description ?
Those crafty Finns. It's like they read Sun Tzu and actually understood him.
As a American. I just wanted to say that I support whatever decision Finland and Sweden makes. I have no doubt the governments will do what they feel is best for their people. /cheers.
thye will do what makes them continue to be in power or win power -If Nato is one then its nato
They will not...Finnish government is corrupted as fuck!
@@jari2018 Pretty much all Finnish political parties support joining Nato, even the opposition, so that doesn't really make sense
In recent polls around 65-70% of people supoort NATO membership and most of the parliament supports it so it's only a matter of time when Finland will actually join
@@jari2018 En taida tota logiikkaa ymmärtää kun kyllä tää on ihan koko kansan tahto. En itse ollut NATO innokas, mutta en kyllä halua talvisota tilannetta, että jäädään yksin katselee Putlerin riehuntaa jos se tulee yli rajan.
1:48 "If Helsinki joins NATO"
Rest of Finland: "Perkele"
Very well made review of the topic!
One thing I would like to add: for Putin, Ukraine in not a real country, but just a separatist province that have unlawfully been torn apart from historic Russia with the collapse of USSR, therefore Ukraine must be brought back by any price (as well as Belarus). As for Finland - I think he tolerates it as a country, therefore more restraint towards it status.
Finland was under the Russian empire until the independence in 1917, so it's not hard for the current Czar to imagine that this land belongs to His majesty.
Putin deserves nothing. He is a butcher. Creates war to stay in power. Ukraine is an independant nation.
The day of Stalin is over. Salute Ukraine
During a psychological evaluation in World War 2, a Finnish sniper was asked what he felt in combat against the Russians. His reply: the recoil.
You mean THE Finnish sniper, the white death
@@urbaraskpraetor3316 man used no scopes because of the reflection
talk about badass
@@urbaraskpraetor3316 You don't kill so many people without having mental issues. Every normal person in a similar role or situation has second thoughts. Furthermore, snipers see every person they kill more than any other combatant.
@@the11382 Snipers are routinely mentally examined by the US Army because they have such a low occurrence of PTSD. The military wants to know why so they can gain insight to help other people in the military to cope.
For God's sake, I'm a Russian I've never heard of the Baltic states or things like Finland etc. I basically don't know where Finland is on a map, don't mess with your luck, remember that Vietnam, which was basically unarmed, drenched NATO in a pool of bl0d, so don't trust too much
Finland is a land of swamps lakes and dense forests. Not a place for the armor centric doctrine of the Russian military. The land is populated by a people with a proud history of defending their homeland. As the Russian army is proving itself to be a Potemkin force in Ukraine, the remnants of the Russian army that escape the wrath of Ukraine will roll into Finland and never return. Kunniaa Suomi! 🇫🇮 🇺🇸
Putin will just rain missiles at Finland, this will do damage to EU economy.
Good luck for the low morale Russian troops trying to come to our forests, they can once again learn what it means for the forest to tell them "Kuole ryssä".
And we have alots of firearms in our households and will to shoot russian soldiers
In Finlan: 75% of the land is forest and in Ukraine it's 17%.
Finnish guerilla warfare in the forests would be brutal for russian troops.
At 1:53 what's the flag called? I can't find it anywhere.
Also Finland has one of the strogest and most capable militaries in Europe.
That is not true
I thought the UK and France had.
not true
Finland is also very heavily armed and well equipped, for example its artillery is the largest in the Western Europe and total reserve is almost 1M. Russia would need to deal with long range stealth cruise missiles, F-35 fighter jets (currently replacing F/A-18) and all kinds of other nasty things, i.e. attack would be way too costly for them and I doubt the Russian soldiers and citizens would be very motivated to wage war.
Finland also have james bond style tunnles under the country
Finland should worry first on how to defend the nuclear hypersonic missiles of Russia once there is a war. The F35 will be useless by that time.
If Finland is so strong, why are you afraid, why do you want to join NATO
@@expectation0 they want to piss off the russians obviously
That's the only reason why nato exist even after the fall of communism
@@expectation0 We are not afraid. But we consider joining NATO, because Russia is apparently so bad at making decisions that it's no longer a guarantee that they would stay away from Finland. Being in NATO would more than likely prevent the conflict, since Finland definitely isn't worth starting a war with NATO. Simply put, we aren't worried about surviving war with Russia, we are trying to avoid it.
And if you seriously fucking think about asking "why would we want to avoid a war with Russia then", then I would very kindly ask you to take your ignorant head out of your asshole. Obviously we don't want a war, even if we are confident we would deal ten times the casualties to the opponent and keep our independence. Life is not Call of Duty. Thousands of people would still lose their homes, a lot of our people would still die even if ten enemies fell for one Finn. We still would not *gain* anything out of it.
"So many Russians! Where will we bury them all?"
Finnish soldier, 1939
They fought against the Soviet Union, not Russia.
@@Tobi-ln9xr soviet union=Russia
@@Tobi-ln9xr 🤦🏽♂️
@@detdvr4498 in name only are they a federation.
@@detdvr4498 it wasn't a union it was Russia
3:37 That's an alternate history map so yeaahhhhh
Related: How does Sweden avoid a Russian invasion?
They fight to the last Finn.
6:15 I'd argue it's not due to fear but stems from a healthy wariness that comes with the package of being neighbours with Russia. It's a reality we Finns are very accustomed to. To say we fear Russian aggression is to say we fear the coming of winter.
why do you assume this though?
Dear Russia, if you go after Finland you go after the rest of the Nordics.
lol strong words from some guy with no power and no money
eh nope.
Is that you in the profile pic? Doesn't look very nordic to me.
@@SwedishBroManDude just because im black?
@@fjalls oooooo the race card!
Salute to Patriots of Finland . Love from Philippines.
Well this video aged really fast :D
You totally downplayed how ferociously the Finns fought the Russians
I hope NATO continues calling Russia's bluffs
@@davidnewland2461 I hope nato fucks off out of this world.
he also downplayed how much equipment and training they received from Nazi Germany because they were allies and the first to attack
@@kingnothing007 the Winter War in 1939 was started by Russians, thanks to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact when Russia was a good pal with nazi Germany. The Continuation War 1941-1944 was Finnish attempt to regain the losses from the Wintrr War. And yes, in the continuation war we received aid from Germany because no other country would help us.
@@kingnothing007 Nazi Germany was not an ally of Finland but in fact an ally of the USSR when the Red Army invaded Finland in the Winter War. Germany imposed a naval blockade on Finland in support of the USSR at the time.
I would like to add a quote by our president when asked about the current situation and wether or he is scared of Russia:
"I'm not scared, and Finns are not scared but surely we are fully awake."
PTSD flashbacks
America: Vietnam 🇻🇳
China: India 🇮🇳
Germany: Russia 🇷🇺
Patrick: Finland!!!! 🎳
Russia: also Finland 🇫🇮
Which side is Switzerland on?
I don't think Finland likes their foreign policy to be directed by Mr. Lavrov.
Respect to the great nation of Finland from a Brit.
a brit who would not help them fight nor fund them
Brit talking about foreign policy ministers🤦
@@kingnothing007 dude, the British are training together with the Finnish army in Finland right now. They brought British main battle tanks with them to Finland for that purpose just weeks ago.
@@vertie2090 untrue, all NATO personnel aren't in Finland anymore. They were and it was mostly Americans. Finland is training in Norway... keep up to date with the news... at least you'll know when to evacuate
Lavrov would make Vyacheslav Molotov
proud. I don't understand how one person can lie so much - even when considering it is basically his job.
Finland is awesome in every aspect. I love it!
The avoid an invasion mostly on the fact that the snow speaks Finnish in those parts.
Thanks deadward, we certainly appreciate Russians like you. We don't have anything against you, it's only that we want to secure our integrity and independence. That is why we are applying Nato. We would have liked to continue business as it was, but Putins policy too irrational for our safety.
Putin; "If you join Nato I will invade"
Putin "If you don't join NATO I will definitely invade"
this
Don’t forget the winter war, 600,000 Russian soldiers were killed
@@honglac2914 we are grateful every day for the fertilizer that they provide for our forests :)
No... "If you don't join NATO I won't invade" *Invades*
@@svalkonen Sure like Ukraine LoL you so dumb ? or you get paid in Roubles ? ha ha
finland is not an "eastern block" country and has never been that
Yup, people are pretty damn ignorant in the internet.
Middle vague block country. 50's would count as eastern block to some degree, no marshall aid etc.
Finland was an inbetween country between west and east in cold war, being dictated by both sides who finland could trade with and what, but finland did still trade with both.
For examples see computers and the deep sea submarines, the subs cia said were ok to sell to ussr/russia because they thought finland couldn't do them, but finland could and then they put a stop to that(why ussr didn't build them themselves was that they lacked the proper steel metallurgy).
Finland also sold cranes to soviet block etc, which has a bunch of interesting stories about it that they couldn't actually get to one base they sold a crane to so had to instruct soviets on how to erect it and followed it getting erected from, get this, western satellite images(the cranes in question were big ass shipyard cranes which for again for some reason ussr couldn't provide themselves)
@@lasskinn474 Do you know how much other western countries have been trading with Soviet-Russia? Finland is a very western and Nordic country.
75% of forests are owned by private sectors. Also properties. Finland has a free market economy. Finland has got percentually more small private businesses than US. Finland has got all the freedoms in the world.
Forinstance the best freedom of press. The best freedom of religion. The best freedom of speech. You can google about it.
Finland is economically, politically, geographically and religiously a Nordic country and a member of Nordic council.
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@@blackcoffeebeans6100 depends what year you look at. like said no marshall aid due to pressure, ussr had big power in finnish politics to the point where people like kekkonen could use fear of it - and they could affect finnish politics directly and so forth. even freedom of the press was so-so in some years.
and at times prominent politicians were just openly ussr fanboy communists too seeing czechoslovakia '68 as necessary for protecting workers rise and all other kinds of bull like that.
and no there's not other western countries just wouldn't flat out sell ussr some stuff that finland sold and finland sold what it could if not told by the west to not sell(and also bought ussr jets and tanks, but also swedish jets).
of course post ussr falling finlands been strictly "western", but even then it took russia attacking ukraine for finland to apply for nato due to russian influence on finnish politics via fear - so heavy was the legacy of ussr and russian influence on finnish politics - to the point where russian high ranking politicians were talking about the issue as if it wasn't our decision to make!
but anyway saying that finland was strictly western after ww2 is not really being honest and ignores the main issue which is THAT THE CENTER PARTY WILL BETRAY EVERYONE ALWAYS, no matter if you're right or left wing they find a way.
The European Defense clause calls on European Union defense. Nuf said.
Interesting 👍
Well, to comment the video's content. What russia actually might think if they would decide to invade finland what ever the reason.
1. Terrain. Finland is mostly forest. Finnish military is trained operating in guerilla type operation in forests.
2. Finland has the one of the biggest (if not the biggest) trained army reserve in europe
3. Finnish military equipment is quite modern. It doesn't rely anymore to russian era equipment like for example ukraina.
4. Finlands military training is concidered very good in international standars. Professional soldiers in finnish military are highly regarded.
5. Finnish artillery is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) in europe
The deterrance of finnish defence is there and working just fine.
i think 2 and 5 maybe Turkey but other than that true
@@lunatic_nebula9542 as Finnish service men myself i can confirm of 280 000 active troops + 900 000 trained reserves Out of 5.7million people also Every farm House family has about 1-5 ww2 leftover weapons/hunting rifles. Also Every City block has bomb shelters. Most important we Have motivation to stand For Our fatherland as did Our great Grand fathers and mothers once! SLAVA FINLANDIA SLAVA UKRAINE!
@@Tonyholmsify more like ~10 000 active troops considering staff/ SOF / and conscription readiness units. You are mistaking 280 000 with the wartime strength,
You are forgeting the most important weapon in finnish defense system: Perkele Broom
Its all fun and games, until bombs start falling and destroying everything. See what is happening in Ukraine?
I served my conscription in artillery many many years ago, but with few hour retraining I could still operate/aim both artillery cannons I used and probably others too. And I've seen some of the depos middle of nowhere with hundreds cannons fully maintained and operational back in the day. I bet there are literally hundreds if not thousands of these depos well hidden. I can only imagine what it is nowadays. I bet there are spare cannons to each crew and there are many generation of artillery crews in reserves.
Victory to the brave Ukrainian soldiers and civilians fighting for their freedom. 🇫🇮❤🇺🇦❤🇫🇮
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Thanks for your support 🌻🇺🇦 We appreciate it!
@@rs2269 yes! All love from Finland!
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Aged like milk
1:55 *This has not aged well.*
One Russian soldier accidentally step on the Finland border
The Whole Tree in Finland : *Perkele*
Russian doctrine with neutral countries: "It's free real estate!"
Ukraine wasn't neutral at all. They broke all ties with Russia and boykotted almost all russian trade. They wanted to join NATO which Russia didn't like to have at their border.
@@1nv1nc3ble russia does not need a reason to attack, they can just make it up like they always do
@@moai4110 the warsaw pact was dissolved on the condition that nato would stop expansion in the east after Germany joined it, did it stop? no, it ended up reaching all the way to russia's borders with the inclusion of previous ussr members as well, there were many ways for nato to stop this invasion from happening at all, but they stood back and watched ukraine burn
@@gatling0389 russia would just bomb their own cities to justify attacking its neigbours, happened to finland
@@moai4110 i am not saying what russia did was right or justified in any way, it can never be, but they are not doing it without reason and nato had be provoking by not honoring the deal for years, putin had questioned this in 2007 as well to which US denied the deal despite having proofs, their own ministers and scholars had called the US government out multiple times, they didn't do it. this is the result. nato had ways to stop this situation from even arising yet didn't. they are not innocent either
Finland did not reject the marshall aid. The Sovietunion would not allow it.
The Finns are such crafty people - the whole Finefta/Comecon thing is fuckin genius
From march 2022 it jumped from 53% to 72%...