The moon presents more problems because of the dust. It damages electric components. Everything that has been to the moon has been ruined by the dust. The breathing problems might be easier to fix but It'll be hard to prevent that dust from getting inside electrical components of everything in a moon outpost. But if you want to stay in reality nothing will ever be built on the moor or Mars. It's just not possible. And never will be possible.
The moon is a perfect testing ground for trips to Mars and beyond. We need to establish a colony on the Moon and have orbiting platforms with food, technical equipment, medical supplies ferrying from Earth to the Moon and back. This set up is complicated. It's better than a one shot deal to Mars. It would also be a morale booster for our planet. Instead of fighting each other, nations would build things for the Moon. Maybe, that's why it's there.
If it takes 9 months to go to Mars, how much radiation would astronauts encounter? How much food for the trip there and back? Would that be 18 months? How much oxygen for 18 months? Tons? It looks like many more questions need to be answered before an attempt is made.
Apart from food & drink on the ship for the journey there & back, around 18 months to 2 years of oxygen will be a must. Where will all of this be stored?
Space is fake as fu*k show me a picture form outer space that doesn't look all cgi or something out of a paint by color.... It's 2022 we have HD Cams in our pocket and this is the clearest pictures we can get?? what are we taking pictures of the Big Foot... Also side note how come it has been so long since we've been to the Moon?? They were all set up and ready to go fly A maned mission like 2 months agot then guess what something goes wrong and they can't launch.... Oh and another thing something's wrong with the rocket and it's going to take months possibly a few years to fix it hmmmmm.... We have never been to space 🚀🌌
Getting to Mars is all well and good, but what about getting back! The escape velocity of Mars is twice that of the moon, which means you need to take that large amount of fuel with you to mars
I used to wonder the same thing re: escape velocity on Mars, which I think is 11,000 mph. (It's 25,000 mph on earth). Then I read an article that set me straight. It stated that insofar as the rocket ship has CONSTANT ACCELERATION, the escape velocity really doesn't matter. Leaving Mars, you wouldn't have to be going 11,000 mph. Just sufficiently fast AND (big and) accelerating as you left. Going a CONSTANT velocity sub-11,000 mph would be the only issue.
It is ridiculous to believe we can simply travel to and survive on Mars, until we can reach, remain and thrive on the Moon. The longest man has stayed on the Moon, is a thrilling 3 days and a little over an hour. Reality surpasses fantasy, always.
it's going to take a long time to figure out how to solve the loneliness of space problems that we must endure to get there. 9 months sitting in a cockpit would be torture to anyone and would drive everyone crazy. zero entertainment, no way to stretch your limbs in any meaningful way.
@@nicosmind3 lol. not even in a 100 years. a manned landing on Mars is one thing, but having them live on Mars once they get there is a whole other dilemma. we haven't even had people live on the moon yet.
@@Curt_Randall yeah. I'm always saying we're at least a century behind the technology needed to colonize Mars. But probably much longer than that. Just the exploratory missions of actually sending people there will be one or two per decade once we get that far.
I think it's definitely possible to send people to Mars, I just don't see the point. It's so much easier and cheaper to send unmanned probes/rovers. What exactly is a person on Mars going to do that a machine couldn't be built to do instead?
Anyone who has controlled a robot can tell you a person is many times more efficient. Robots will always run into unexpected situations that result in mistakes. Given the distance to Mars, remote control is not practical, requiring minutes between each command.
@@Anuchan I don't disagree with you. Compared with current technology, a person can act more autonomously and troubleshoot problems easier. But robotics and artificial intelligence technology should continue to improve and become more effective in the future.
Live. Like many asteroids can obliterate mankind and most of the life from this planet. And the more dangerous the object the less chance we have of spotting it and doing something. Eg comets have a higher velocity and most of them are unknown because they have such a deep/long orbit of the sun. That speed let's them almost leave our solar system, but then they start to return and build speed for 1000s of years, like 90,000 plus! And if it's an object with solar system escape velocity it's traveling even faster. Added to that direction can really catch us off guard, coming from the direction of the sun we won't notice it till it's months away cause the sun blinds out instruments, hence fairly big objects not being noticed till they hit our atmosphere. Besides that getting Mars ready will teach us a lot, and building a Mars settlement will help us settle most of our solar system. And from their who knows. Maybe we can explore the stars after. Guaranteeing human life, hopefully, till the universe hits heat death
Im dead tired of being with my co-workers in a few days... imagine living with them for 5 til 12 months in a small capsule... we better get some kind of cryo sleep ;) Lets practise on the moon first....
Some of the Russian space trips proved to be tough for some cosmonauts to get along after spending so much time together. After a while it was said they wouldn't even speak to each other.
the Parker Solar Probe has achieved its speed from gravity assists, not so much by "advanced rockets". It went all the way to Jupiter first, which added 3 years to the trip. Its speed as it dives toward the sun should not be used to estimate how fast our trip to Mars will be.
Firstly that hydrogen has many uses - hydrogen and co2 can make methane fuel (needed for rocket launches) so the very task in and of itself (say nothing of the many others) will certainly be a challenge) we struggle to keep the James Webb in orbit (rjust recently launched with all the latest technological bells and whistles) The estimate? No more than an optimistic 5 years before it runs out of fuel. Imagine the tax in fuel alone for a trip like that. This will certainly be a hurdle wont it !
We don't know what will happen to people without gravity for the trip there, nor the reduced gravity while there, and then the return trip. A minimum of four years, and that's if everything goes as planned. If anything goes wrong they could slowly starve.
The average temperature on Mars Is -80 degrees with no Breathable Air. Zero plant life, Zero Water. Not to mention being locked up in a small space craft for almost A YEAR to get there. I almost go crazy in a 10 hour flight to Europe...The whole Idea is ridiculous.
I think we would need to have a supply chain of new astronauts, supplies and etc every 2 years within that window. But in reality that’s a 2-3 year expedition for any person who signs up . Let’s say they survive all the factors , 9 months to get there , a year on the planet and 9 months to get back home and you would need to leave at a certain time to get back home to earth .
Economical and quicker transits to Mars require at least a lunar outpost with some sort of factory they can harvest resources including water. They could also safely test nuclear fission out there as well. Launches require less escape velocity from the moon. Reducing the need for fuel, and can allocate other items for the necessary payload to get there. They can also use gravity assist from Venus and Earth for a slingshot approach.
What you can do is build check points in space like space stations through the journey...They can be supply storage of food and logistics and have people live there for a few months at a time and see how they perform and comeback to earth later on. After building a couple of space stations and storing food and supplies in those stations, then you can send a crew of people to mars. If something goes wrong, then atleast they can rendezvous back to earth through those pace stations...
@@excusemenoexcusemeno1671you are not seeing the logistical side of your idea, you can’t just “set up a checkpoint” because planets are constantly moving across the solar system, every single launch is like throwing a basketball while the hoop is rotating, if you make a miscalculated throw, you will miss entirely
What we need to explore our solar system in a feasible amount of time is the ability to maintain at least 1g of acceleration indefinitely. Once we figure that out, the solar system is ours.
dude: can't cheat physics. You accelerate, flip over and then decelerate. You don't begin at light speed - you approach a maximum speed and halfway to mars you slow down. Once at mars, you have almost no atmosphere to slow you down... not anything like earth. You have to slow into orbit and then drop a lander.
These videos are fun ideas to ponder but in reality we are hundreds of years away from any kind of Mars base being possible and terraforming it is just a day dream. We may send one ship one day so that we can say we've done it but almost all space exploration will be probe based
All this talk about going to the moon and Mars overlooks one critical factor, the will and purpose of man’s Creator. He has clearly stated at Psalm 37:29 that “the righteous will possess the Earth, and they will live forever upon it.”
What is this fascination with colonising Mars? Are there hidden reserves of gold or other valuable commodities? Where is the research on what long term living will do to the human body? I hope they are not going to exploit animals to test this first. How will people get on in such close confines for any length of time - even close family and friends fall out?
Speed relative to what point in space? The Earth travels around the sun at 67,000 mph. That uses the sun a central stable point in space to determine speed. Any craft that leaves Earth orbit should be moving at that speed ( plus whatever additional propulsion they put on it )
@@avsrule247 But how would that work? If relative to the Earth ( us ) that would be like comparing speed of two cars heading in opposite directions at 50 mph by comparing one car two the other car. The answer you'd get is one car is going at 100 mph because that is how fast the cars are moving away from each other. But let's say you take the point where the two cars started moving away from each other as your stable point. Then both cars are moving at 50 mph. Same would go for a spacecraft. If you measure speed from the point where the spacecraft and Earth started moving in different directions then both are moving ( initially ) at 67,000 mph.
@@peterkottke2570The 67,000 is irrelevant because the Earth and Mars orbit around the Sun at a static velocity. You can use this information to determine where your intended target will be, and launch a space craft to that location before it gets there. Think of it like a quarterback in football throwing to a receiver who is running. You don't throw the ball to where the player is currently, you throw the ball to where you know he will be if he keeps running. That's how you get to Mars. Look up the video "Earth to Mars (Hohmann Transfer Orbit)" on TH-cam, it's 30 seconds long and does a very good visual job at explaining it
@@avsrule247 Oh I get that. My point is that the video mentions a lot about speed of the spacecraft and speed of various probes that have been sent out but that a spacecraft leaving Earth orbit already has a large amount of speed. ( and I wonder where speeds like 38,,000 mph come from. that seems a little slow ) At this point all it needs is maneuvering rockets and some really good precise math and it should be able to get to Mars. ( using the Hohmann Transfer orbit ). And looking it up if you time it right they have it at 259 days to get to Mars.
That doesn’t matter . You are trying to throw an item inside a car where it doesn’t matter how fast you are moving . It’s a different environment inside the car . That is like traveling in our solar system . Everything is moving ther fast speed around the whole galaxy in our solar system . It’s the speed anything moves on top of that
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You said the dark side of the moon but there is no dark side of the moon. It is the back side of the moon. If you can’t get this correct then why believe anything else you say?
Going to Mars is really A one way trip, so the Zubrin approach is most practical. Who ever goes will not return, it's far too expensive for A return trip. Only hardy pioneer types will persevere on this mission. Forget what you see in the movies, reality is a mega slap in the face. Also most important A form of gravity (rotating craft) will be essential or our pionauts will be jelly when they reach the red orb, that is if the radiation doesn't kill them first! Maybe Elon will volunteer first to be the first man on Mars- dead or alive.
How will man over come the communications problem with a trip to Mars? There is a good amount of lag time between sending a message and receiving an answer. I believe like 16 minutes for the message to go from Mars to Earth & 16 minutes for a reply back = 32 minutes. I was wondering what are some of the possibilities of overcoming this problem. Shalom
They'll have to stay there awhile in this scenario. A couple years headroom. We can send everything ahead of the spacecraft. They'll dock with it in flight. Food, fuel, everything they need. This was a 90s proposition. Getting off the Red Planet was a problem. It's gravity and atmosphere mean we would need to build a launch tower. As we do on Earth. I've been thinking about it. We can get on it but how do we get off.
there is a magnet system that when an object goes through the magnet arrangement the object moves extremely fast, my guess is we test using this magnet arrangement in earths atomphere and send a few things back to earth , we put the magnets in place using satellites, the speed it increases on earth is very fast so we'd assume in space the speed would be increased based on the force of the engine which I'd guess would be hundreds of times more then the force of the engine, i believe the magnet system the person on youtube shows where the magnet increases speed is the answer, its called the magnet multiplier, they should test it in earths atmosphere to send things back to earth, it looks like it would make a very small amount of propelling energy into a very large amount of energy
Too much gamma and radiation and that still hasn't been solved after 70 years. Current solutions are too heavy, like water and lead, or is still undiscovered.
No. This is entire wrong. If you want to visit Disney World you can go there as quickly as you wish on a SR-71 but at those speeds you can only fly over Disney World and keep on going. If you actually want to visit Disney World, on the other hand, you will have to take a car or bus and drive there at a much slower speed so that when you reach your destination you can stop. As such, if astronauts want to visit Mars they cannot fly there as quickly as they wish because to do so will mean only a Martian flyby while the astronauts will end up dying in deep space. The absolute maximum speed in which to visit Mars is precisely the speed used to get our various Martian orbiters and landers to Mars. So astronauts going to Mars will have to wait at least nine months to get there. But once you get to Mars you will want to land. Landing on Mars is extremely dangerous! Oh, there's too much more to be said but any Martian mission is a suicide mission for the astronauts. And returning to Earth? That has never once been attempted.
First we need to create a foothold on the Moon. Once we understand how to establish longterm colonies on the moon and a cost efficient supply chain then Mars is the next frontier
Not like you can stop into a burger king for a meal when you feel to when you are on Mars. If such a thing like walking on Mars ever would be possible fear will take over and kill you inside your space suit .
there is a huge difference from inner solar vs outer solar planets travel speed caused suns gravity helps for inner planets travels vs we have to go against sun gravity to reach other planets , so the new solar probs speed don't count , yes we need to improve our space speed, payload capacity , travel technology n try our best to send first small group of scientists n astronaut's to mars for research n development purpose as a start , it will take more time in years than they falsely claim there is lot more for us to prepare n will take time , we have to send many cargo , supply's and heavy construction equipment's first that's also not ready just like the new v2 engine . the rocket needs to be able to carry large payloads for humans safety , supplies , food , water, oxygen , prover radiation shield , n many scientific equipment's plus has to plan a head to stay on mars for next return cycle after staying on mars around 2+ minimum years . that nine month travel one way itself is a big deal for human mission to mars , in this landing safely , n staying in a good safe accommodation is also not ready yet n will take many years for construction with radiation shielding protection with out that there will be loss of life . that's were elon musk is dumb who owns a rocket company but lacks basic knowledge of science who sounds too fictional . and tring futuristic n stupid too , who also claims to sends a large population to mars or even nuke mars as a terraforming process ultra stupid idea . im 200% SURE he will die on earth not mars lol . all those silly hype just for fame . no human life is worth to die for his stupidity, hope nasa would not allow his stupid delusional ideas in reality. just imagine how much oxygen , food , water n other life support will a small group need for 9munths travel + 2.6 years stay + 9 months return journey . also humans who have been in the iss will not be able to walk after returning to earth for almost a month and needs heavy medical assistance n therapy just to walk so who is going to help the humans on mars after landing from 9 months space travel , those rockets has to be tested to land on mars successfully by sending cargos we can test it probably with few missions . even the engine is still not ready 100% . instead of making rockets ready for 100s of ppl first make it ready for a lesser no of ppl (small team). even space food package has some expiry date i suppose can it really last 3+ years ? . is the oxygen/water generator ready for the rocket as well as stay in mars . is even a suit ready r fully functional ? just by showing 3d animation presentations or plans does mean every thing is ready . i dought if they can send first humans to mars in next 10 years . though the claim was to be around 2023 or 2025 that will never happen
This doesn't even make sense. You assume everything is absolute and written in stone. Obviously designs will change. For example obviously they will not be sending 100 people on the first human flight, it will be a rather small team. IMO, it will be dozens of cargo missions with robots before we see humans go as well
we're at least a century behind the technology needed to get there. and you're saying almost everything I've been saying in regards to this subject. colonizing Mars is pure science fiction fantasy. nothing more nothing less. I'll add to some of the stuff you said as well.
one thing you didn't mention in regards to the travel is the loneliness of space. in addition to our bodies not being able to handle those conditions for that long neither will our minds. it's not like we'll be flying there on something that resembles a private jet. we'd be in these cockpit type of pods. zero room to exercise. there's not enough entertainment in the world to keep us from going insane on this trip.
also, in regards to a return trip, that's going to be a problem since we wouldn't have the same propulsion system that's setup here on earth there on Mars.
The dark side of the moon is not 400,000 kilometers away. How did you even come up with that number? The moon is approx 238,900 kilometers away, with a diameter of approximately 3,474 kilometers, so the dark side of the moon is around 242,374 kilometers away, not 400,000.
The comment below is more on target about what needs to be done to get to mars. Right now oxygen, water, and energy for the craft on its trip are the 3 biggest problems due to weight. Food for that long of a trip would have to be dehydrated food, but then you need water to eat it. So that's back to the water problem.
FYI Despite what Pink Floyd may say, the moon does not have a 'dark' side; it's entire surface receives the same amount of light over a month, say. No need to thank me.😁
"dark" in this sense doenst mean the absence of light but rather how little we know of the far side of the moon, since its tidally locked. meaning, from earth, we only ever see the same face of the moon
To answer your question with current scientific standards , Aboard the space station, the use of hydrogen-rich shielding such as polyethylene in the most frequently occupied locations, such as the sleeping quarters and the galley, has reduced the crew's exposure to space radiation.
At those top speeds will the space craft be able to slow down enough to prevent “over shooting mars” also what is something goes wrong, will there be enough fuel? Also 9 months with the same people everyday 24/7 plus the time at mars assuming they get there. How will they all get along and what about health issues along the way? Food? Oxygen? Bathroom breaks? Hygiene? Exercise? These are all questions you can not answer for with certainty. They better have a long list of specifics legal documents to sign, lives will be on the line. I sure wouldnt want that on my conscious. Ill be watching 👍
I hate to tell you, but you're wrong on one thing. Neither Venus nor Mars are the statistically the closest planet to Earth. I know it's surprising, but Mercury spends more time closer to Earth than either of the other 2. You can see this quite clearly if you look at a video of the planets of the solar system in motion.
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We should really do the Moon first. Once we have a station in there, we can think about Mars.
Nah should be at the same time but naturally will be faster since it is closer
The moon presents more problems because of the dust. It damages electric components. Everything that has been to the moon has been ruined by the dust. The breathing problems might be easier to fix but It'll be hard to prevent that dust from getting inside electrical components of everything in a moon outpost. But if you want to stay in reality nothing will ever be built on the moor or Mars. It's just not possible. And never will be possible.
Mars is hell. Ok.
@@jameshines6486 still better than ur mom
Artemis is that idea
The moon is a perfect testing ground for trips to Mars and beyond. We need to establish a colony on the Moon and have orbiting platforms with food, technical equipment, medical supplies ferrying from Earth to the Moon and back. This set up is complicated. It's better than a one shot deal to Mars. It would also be a morale booster for our planet. Instead of fighting each other, nations would build things for the Moon. Maybe, that's why it's there.
ur right
Couldn't have said it better. Moon first. Established.
Your right, the moon is a sandbox for us to practice before taking the next step
If it takes 9 months to go to Mars, how much radiation would astronauts encounter? How much food for the trip there and back? Would that be 18 months? How much oxygen for 18 months? Tons? It looks like many more questions need to be answered before an attempt is made.
Apart from food & drink on the ship for the journey there & back, around 18 months to 2 years of oxygen will be a must. Where will all of this be stored?
Pls go into fake space & prove this 9 month BS
Space is fake as fu*k show me a picture form outer space that doesn't look all cgi or something out of a paint by color.... It's 2022 we have HD Cams in our pocket and this is the clearest pictures we can get?? what are we taking pictures of the Big Foot... Also side note how come it has been so long since we've been to the Moon?? They were all set up and ready to go fly A maned mission like 2 months agot then guess what something goes wrong and they can't launch.... Oh and another thing something's wrong with the rocket and it's going to take months possibly a few years to fix it hmmmmm.... We have never been to space 🚀🌌
@@davidsheckler8417 “Go into fake space.”
Are you a flat earth er Davey?
I imagine they would have plants on board as a means of filtering co2.
Getting to Mars is all well and good, but what about getting back! The escape velocity of Mars is twice that of the moon, which means you need to take that large amount of fuel with you to mars
They can manufacture fuel on Mars with known technology.
The first people going to Mars shouldn't assume they are coming back.
I used to wonder the same thing re: escape velocity on Mars, which I think is 11,000 mph. (It's 25,000 mph on earth).
Then I read an article that set me straight. It stated that insofar as the rocket ship has CONSTANT ACCELERATION, the escape velocity really doesn't matter. Leaving Mars, you wouldn't have to be going 11,000 mph. Just sufficiently fast AND (big and) accelerating as you left.
Going a CONSTANT velocity sub-11,000 mph would be the only issue.
@@dannygjk yyp
We can't even get to our beautiful moon that gives us life here on earth. How the helll do they think we can get to mars.
It is ridiculous to believe we can simply travel to and survive on Mars, until we can reach, remain and thrive on the Moon. The longest man has stayed on the Moon, is a thrilling 3 days and a little over an hour. Reality surpasses fantasy, always.
Why even the Moon what about desert & arid regions here on Earth?
@The Critic that is fun
It's ridiculous that you Globeys keep saying "we" 🤣😂😅 who would that be 🤷 bcs no one has gone anywhere & there's nowhere to go
The real problem is that our government figurea are all covering up the idea that we will not be going anywhere with our crash and burn rocketry.
Not my lifetime, unfortunately. I'm just hoping I live long enough to see a manned landing on Mars.
Maybe within the next 10 years, fingers crossed.
it's going to take a long time to figure out how to solve the loneliness of space problems that we must endure to get there. 9 months sitting in a cockpit would be torture to anyone and would drive everyone crazy. zero entertainment, no way to stretch your limbs in any meaningful way.
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@@nicosmind3 lol. not even in a 100 years. a manned landing on Mars is one thing, but having them live on Mars once they get there is a whole other dilemma. we haven't even had people live on the moon yet.
@@Curt_Randall yeah. I'm always saying we're at least a century behind the technology needed to colonize Mars. But probably much longer than that. Just the exploratory missions of actually sending people there will be one or two per decade once we get that far.
By the year 2035 we will be on mars like its a vacation to another country. PEROID
I think it's definitely possible to send people to Mars, I just don't see the point. It's so much easier and cheaper to send unmanned probes/rovers. What exactly is a person on Mars going to do that a machine couldn't be built to do instead?
Anyone who has controlled a robot can tell you a person is many times more efficient. Robots will always run into unexpected situations that result in mistakes. Given the distance to Mars, remote control is not practical, requiring minutes between each command.
@@Anuchan I don't disagree with you. Compared with current technology, a person can act more autonomously and troubleshoot problems easier. But robotics and artificial intelligence technology should continue to improve and become more effective in the future.
To make man multi-plantary
@@Anuchan a human wouldn't be more efficient on Mars because the astronaut needs to survive.
Live. Like many asteroids can obliterate mankind and most of the life from this planet. And the more dangerous the object the less chance we have of spotting it and doing something. Eg comets have a higher velocity and most of them are unknown because they have such a deep/long orbit of the sun. That speed let's them almost leave our solar system, but then they start to return and build speed for 1000s of years, like 90,000 plus! And if it's an object with solar system escape velocity it's traveling even faster. Added to that direction can really catch us off guard, coming from the direction of the sun we won't notice it till it's months away cause the sun blinds out instruments, hence fairly big objects not being noticed till they hit our atmosphere.
Besides that getting Mars ready will teach us a lot, and building a Mars settlement will help us settle most of our solar system. And from their who knows. Maybe we can explore the stars after. Guaranteeing human life, hopefully, till the universe hits heat death
Im dead tired of being with my co-workers in a few days... imagine living with them for 5 til 12 months in a small capsule... we better get some kind of cryo sleep ;)
Lets practise on the moon first....
Look at the bright side. Your wife won't be able to get you for that amount of time. 😂😂😂😂
Some of the Russian space trips proved to be tough for some cosmonauts to get along after spending so much time together. After a while it was said they wouldn't even speak to each other.
@@artdogg50 yup
Speed is only half the problem. Slowing down from 400,000 miles an hour to attain a landing would expend copious amounts of fuel.
Yes. Not crashing into Mars like has happened due to a mix up in metric and standard calculations.
the Parker Solar Probe has achieved its speed from gravity assists, not so much by "advanced rockets". It went all the way to Jupiter first, which added 3 years to the trip. Its speed as it dives toward the sun should not be used to estimate how fast our trip to Mars will be.
Takes about 10 months to go from Earth to Mars using a minimum energy trajectory, (assuming they are ideally placed when the mission starts).
I like to be friends with people like you.
You’re smart
... let's send Elon and wait for his return 🤣
@@raphaeladolini5805 🤣👌he's the bo$$ he will come after colonization
Maybe in around 20-30 years we can do it? Humans will one day walk on Mars, no doubt.
I wouldn’t say no doubt, we are one nuclear war away from being sent back to the Stone Age if not wiped out.
At this time, it's a one way trip. The turnaround/return is a problem.
Firstly that hydrogen has many uses - hydrogen and co2 can make methane fuel (needed for rocket launches) so the very task in and of itself (say nothing of the many others) will certainly be a challenge) we struggle to keep the James Webb in orbit (rjust recently launched with all the latest technological bells and whistles) The estimate? No more than an optimistic 5 years before it runs out of fuel. Imagine the tax in fuel alone for a trip like that. This will certainly be a hurdle wont it !
We don't know what will happen to people without gravity for the trip there, nor the reduced gravity while there, and then the return trip. A minimum of four years, and that's if everything goes as planned. If anything goes wrong they could slowly starve.
The average temperature on Mars Is -80 degrees with no Breathable Air. Zero plant life, Zero Water. Not to mention being locked up in a small space craft for almost A YEAR to get there. I almost go crazy in a 10 hour flight to Europe...The whole Idea is ridiculous.
no reason to send anyone to Mars until there is a base set up for people to build other units to live and work in if even possible
I think we would need to have a supply chain of new astronauts, supplies and etc every 2 years within that window. But in reality that’s a 2-3 year expedition for any person who signs up . Let’s say they survive all the factors , 9 months to get there , a year on the planet and 9 months to get back home and you would need to leave at a certain time to get back home to earth .
I really enjoyed your video. Very interesting, and thank you for sharing.
@@chapinrey 🇺🇸✝️🙏…I will bring my Bible and Chessboard!
Mars:
Antarctica with no oxygen...
No food, no way back...
Alternatively, fix the earth...Nah
Economical and quicker transits to Mars require at least a lunar outpost with some sort of factory they can harvest resources including water. They could also safely test nuclear fission out there as well. Launches require less escape velocity from the moon. Reducing the need for fuel, and can allocate other items for the necessary payload to get there. They can also use gravity assist from Venus and Earth for a slingshot approach.
Dying from radiation, atrophy, and insanity in a capsule the size of a minivan sounds fantastic!
#NoThanks
Going to Mars doesn't make sense. Humans can't live there
They've already sent numerous ships to Mars. You could of just told us how long it took to get there. Instead of a bunch of pointless scenarios.
We will never leave earth. We are made of earth. It is impossible for us to survive outside of the earths orbit
Now this is going to be interestng. Cool! ✔
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Even the Raptor 2 being a chemical rocket engine is not sufficient for getting to Mars. What's needed is a Nuclear Thermal Rocket engine.
Doesn’t have to be when you can make gas out of mass atmosphere
What you can do is build check points in space like space stations through the journey...They can be supply storage of food and logistics and have people live there for a few months at a time and see how they perform and comeback to earth later on.
After building a couple of space stations and storing food and supplies in those stations, then you can send a crew of people to mars. If something goes wrong, then atleast they can rendezvous back to earth through those pace stations...
lol no way, the cost of that would astronomical
@@dukenukem7043 not for investors
@@excusemenoexcusemeno1671you are not seeing the logistical side of your idea, you can’t just “set up a checkpoint” because planets are constantly moving across the solar system, every single launch is like throwing a basketball while the hoop is rotating, if you make a miscalculated throw, you will miss entirely
@@Chuked you're right! I forgot that objects in space are always moving. So yeah that wouldn't work. 🤔
humans dont deserve the chance to ruin another planet
Questions, is there a atmosphere. Is the gravity the same or less or more. What is the temperature on Mars compared to earth. Very fascinating video.
I have heard that night time temperatures are very cold
@@kenlucero3651 yup me too
What we need to explore our solar system in a feasible amount of time is the ability to maintain at least 1g of acceleration indefinitely. Once we figure that out, the solar system is ours.
Michael Williams, If 1g acceleration could be maintained, at the half way point they would need 1g deceleration. That's a huge amount of energy.
1 g is way more than necessary to make the trips take a reasonable amount of time.
@@dannygjk that is fuh
If the ISS is going to be decommissioned why not put it on trajectory to Mars?
Expensive
@@LS-pv4dh agree
Amazing video!
Thank you 💜
I don't think humans would like Mars because it's already dead and there's nothing there for humans to destroy.
dude: can't cheat physics. You accelerate, flip over and then decelerate. You don't begin at light speed - you approach a maximum speed and halfway to mars you slow down. Once at mars, you have almost no atmosphere to slow you down... not anything like earth. You have to slow into orbit and then drop a lander.
Doesn't matter how long it takes. You ain't going.
You have to wonder: Will the occupants on a 'ship' to Mars be friendly by the end of the trip? I doubt it.
Instead of employing crude chemical rockets, 'borrow" a downed Flying Saucer and then journey to Mars in style, doing so in about 1/2 hour.
Great video and information !
Thank you 💜
Forget it - focus on the moon first!
Settling on mars is like making a settlement on top of Mount Everest with radiation and low gravity as a cherry on top
These videos are fun ideas to ponder but in reality we are hundreds of years away from any kind of Mars base being possible and terraforming it is just a day dream. We may send one ship one day so that we can say we've done it but almost all space exploration will be probe based
All this talk about going to the moon and Mars overlooks one critical factor, the will and purpose of man’s Creator. He has clearly stated at Psalm 37:29 that “the righteous will possess the Earth, and they will live forever upon it.”
What is this fascination with colonising Mars? Are there hidden reserves of gold or other valuable commodities? Where is the research on what long term living will do to the human body? I hope they are not going to exploit animals to test this first. How will people get on in such close confines for any length of time - even close family and friends fall out?
There is no 'dark side of the moon'.
Fission engines like the nerva engines developed in the 1960s/70s can get us to mars in 3-4 months
Isn't better to build in orbit the rocket which will go on the Mars?You could take up components to orbit and build much larger rocket there
Speed relative to what point in space? The Earth travels around the sun at 67,000 mph. That uses the sun a central stable point in space to determine speed. Any craft that leaves Earth orbit should be moving at that speed ( plus whatever additional propulsion they put on it )
I thought the video made it pretty clear that everything was relative to us
@@avsrule247 But how would that work? If relative to the Earth ( us ) that would be like comparing speed of two cars heading in opposite directions at 50 mph by comparing one car two the other car. The answer you'd get is one car is going at 100 mph because that is how fast the cars are moving away from each other. But let's say you take the point where the two cars started moving away from each other as your stable point. Then both cars are moving at 50 mph. Same would go for a spacecraft. If you measure speed from the point where the spacecraft and Earth started moving in different directions then both are moving ( initially ) at 67,000 mph.
@@peterkottke2570The 67,000 is irrelevant because the Earth and Mars orbit around the Sun at a static velocity. You can use this information to determine where your intended target will be, and launch a space craft to that location before it gets there. Think of it like a quarterback in football throwing to a receiver who is running. You don't throw the ball to where the player is currently, you throw the ball to where you know he will be if he keeps running. That's how you get to Mars.
Look up the video "Earth to Mars (Hohmann Transfer Orbit)" on TH-cam, it's 30 seconds long and does a very good visual job at explaining it
@@avsrule247 Oh I get that. My point is that the video mentions a lot about speed of the spacecraft and speed of various probes that have been sent out but that a spacecraft leaving Earth orbit already has a large amount of speed. ( and I wonder where speeds like 38,,000 mph come from. that seems a little slow ) At this point all it needs is maneuvering rockets and some really good precise math and it should be able to get to Mars. ( using the Hohmann Transfer orbit ). And looking it up if you time it right they have it at 259 days to get to Mars.
That doesn’t matter . You are trying to throw an item inside a car where it doesn’t matter how fast you are moving . It’s a different environment inside the car . That is like traveling in our solar system . Everything is moving ther fast speed around the whole galaxy in our solar system . It’s the speed anything moves on top of that
Think we need to put ALL OUR SPACE money into OUR PLANET!!!
If NASA and SpaceX would listen to me, it would take 3 hours to get to Mars.
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---Old Martian Proverb
You said the dark side of the moon but there is no dark side of the moon. It is the back side of the moon. If you can’t get this correct then why believe anything else you say?
Technology already exist but government don't want you to know that.
Going to Mars is really A one way trip, so the Zubrin approach is most practical. Who ever goes will not return, it's far too expensive for A return trip. Only hardy pioneer types will persevere on this mission. Forget what you see in the movies, reality is a mega slap in the face. Also most important A form of gravity (rotating craft) will be essential or our pionauts will be jelly when they reach the red orb, that is if the radiation doesn't kill them first! Maybe Elon will volunteer first to be the first man on Mars- dead or alive.
Oh that’s easy. I just jump on my space bike.
How will man over come the communications problem with a trip to Mars? There is a good amount of lag time between sending a message and receiving an answer. I believe like 16 minutes for the message to go from Mars to Earth & 16 minutes for a reply back = 32 minutes. I was wondering what are some of the possibilities of overcoming this problem. Shalom
it takes 6 or 7 months for a spacecraft to get to Mars if both planets are close to each other
We must build on the moon first then head to mars , staging is the best & safest way.
They'll have to stay there awhile in this scenario. A couple years headroom. We can send everything ahead of the spacecraft. They'll dock with it in flight. Food, fuel, everything they need. This was a 90s proposition. Getting off the Red Planet was a problem. It's gravity and atmosphere mean we would need to build a launch tower. As we do on Earth. I've been thinking about it. We can get on it but how do we get off.
Not in my lifetime I was watching tv 📺 when we went to the moon 🌝 I be lucky to see the returns to the moon 🌙
Going to and living on Mars is a GIANT pipe dream!!! Save the money!
When we inhabit Mars, can we agree to leave behind all of the people who rob gas stations?
I can barely hack a nine hour commercial flight. Nine months? You go first.
there is a magnet system that when an object goes through the magnet arrangement the object moves extremely fast, my guess is we test using this magnet arrangement in earths atomphere and send a few things back to earth , we put the magnets in place using satellites, the speed it increases on earth is very fast so we'd assume in space the speed would be increased based on the force of the engine which I'd guess would be hundreds of times more then the force of the engine, i believe the magnet system the person on youtube shows where the magnet increases speed is the answer, its called the magnet multiplier, they should test it in earths atmosphere to send things back to earth, it looks like it would make a very small amount of propelling energy into a very large amount of energy
Minutes from earth to mars remember what bob lazar says
Build habitats on the Atacamas plain just to test the idea.
How long would it take? As soon as Hollywood can get the set ready, and find astronauts willing to lie about it all like the lunar crews did.
Too much gamma and radiation and that still hasn't been solved after 70 years. Current solutions are too heavy, like water and lead, or is still undiscovered.
probably I thinking 35-40 minutes to get there to mars
No. This is entire wrong. If you want to visit Disney World you can go there as quickly as you wish on a SR-71 but at those speeds you can only fly over Disney World and keep on going. If you actually want to visit Disney World, on the other hand, you will have to take a car or bus and drive there at a much slower speed so that when you reach your destination you can stop.
As such, if astronauts want to visit Mars they cannot fly there as quickly as they wish because to do so will mean only a Martian flyby while the astronauts will end up dying in deep space. The absolute maximum speed in which to visit Mars is precisely the speed used to get our various Martian orbiters and landers to Mars. So astronauts going to Mars will have to wait at least nine months to get there.
But once you get to Mars you will want to land. Landing on Mars is extremely dangerous! Oh, there's too much more to be said but any Martian mission is a suicide mission for the astronauts.
And returning to Earth? That has never once been attempted.
It will be attempted with robots from the perseverance program to get a mars sample to earth.
I like your comment on this
Once the settlers get to Mars, they're going to have to chop down a lot of trees to build enough log cabins for everyone.
Log cabins won't block ionizing radiation.
First we need to create a foothold on the Moon. Once we understand how to establish longterm colonies on the moon and a cost efficient supply chain then Mars is the next frontier
I,m happy to live in this plant which is suitable for living it's impossible for human to make it out of earth.
6 months 2 weeks 10 hours
32 minutes 51 seconds at certain points in our orbital cycle with it every 26 months
Love space exploration, but wish we could put our resources and passion into taking better care of the planet we live on.
It's too late for that.
Not like you can stop into a burger king for a meal when you feel to when you are on Mars. If such a thing like walking on Mars ever would be possible fear will take over and kill you inside your space suit .
I think we can get there. But what about getting back?
Not in our lifetimes, maybe in the early 22nd century
Just one Planet to explore in the vastness of Space and the Next closes is 77million.
That would depend on the CGI creator since space isn't real
Bruh
Us? Fuck that. I ain’t going. And ain’t nobody else going either. Anyone who tries, dies.
Interesting topic.
there is a huge difference from inner solar vs outer solar planets travel speed caused suns gravity helps for inner planets travels vs we have to go against sun gravity to reach other planets , so the new solar probs speed don't count , yes we need to improve our space speed, payload capacity , travel technology n try our best to send first small group of scientists n astronaut's to mars for research n development purpose as a start , it will take more time in years than they falsely claim there is lot more for us to prepare n will take time , we have to send many cargo , supply's and heavy construction equipment's first that's also not ready just like the new v2 engine . the rocket needs to be able to carry large payloads for humans safety , supplies , food , water, oxygen , prover radiation shield , n many scientific equipment's plus has to plan a head to stay on mars for next return cycle after staying on mars around 2+ minimum years . that nine month travel one way itself is a big deal for human mission to mars , in this landing safely , n staying in a good safe accommodation is also not ready yet n will take many years for construction with radiation shielding protection with out that there will be loss of life . that's were elon musk is dumb who owns a rocket company but lacks basic knowledge of science who sounds too fictional . and tring futuristic n stupid too , who also claims to sends a large population to mars or even nuke mars as a terraforming process ultra stupid idea . im 200% SURE he will die on earth not mars lol . all
those silly hype just for fame . no human life is worth to die for his stupidity, hope nasa would not allow his stupid delusional ideas in reality. just imagine how much oxygen , food , water n other life support will a small group need for 9munths travel + 2.6 years stay + 9 months return journey . also humans who have been in the iss will not be able to walk after returning to earth for almost a month and needs heavy medical assistance n therapy just to walk so who is going to help the humans on mars after landing from 9 months space travel , those rockets has to be tested to land on mars successfully by sending cargos we can test it probably with few missions . even the engine is still not ready 100% . instead of making rockets ready for 100s of ppl first make it ready for a lesser no of ppl (small team). even space food package has some expiry date i suppose can it really last 3+ years ? . is the oxygen/water generator ready for the rocket as well as stay in mars . is even a suit ready r fully functional ? just by showing 3d animation presentations or plans does mean every thing is ready . i dought if they can send first humans to mars in next 10 years . though the claim was to be around 2023 or 2025 that will never happen
This doesn't even make sense. You assume everything is absolute and written in stone. Obviously designs will change. For example obviously they will not be sending 100 people on the first human flight, it will be a rather small team. IMO, it will be dozens of cargo missions with robots before we see humans go as well
@@avsrule247 no. everything he's saying is 100% true. he may have rambled on without proper punctuation usage, but everything he said is true.
we're at least a century behind the technology needed to get there. and you're saying almost everything I've been saying in regards to this subject. colonizing Mars is pure science fiction fantasy. nothing more nothing less. I'll add to some of the stuff you said as well.
one thing you didn't mention in regards to the travel is the loneliness of space. in addition to our bodies not being able to handle those conditions for that long neither will our minds. it's not like we'll be flying there on something that resembles a private jet. we'd be in these cockpit type of pods. zero room to exercise. there's not enough entertainment in the world to keep us from going insane on this trip.
also, in regards to a return trip, that's going to be a problem since we wouldn't have the same propulsion system that's setup here on earth there on Mars.
The dark side of the moon is not 400,000 kilometers away. How did you even come up with that number? The moon is approx 238,900 kilometers away, with a diameter of approximately 3,474 kilometers, so the dark side of the moon is around 242,374 kilometers away, not 400,000.
The comment below is more on target about what needs to be done to get to mars. Right now oxygen, water, and energy for the craft on its trip are the 3 biggest problems due to weight. Food for that long of a trip would have to be dehydrated food, but then you need water to eat it. So that's back to the water problem.
No, the biggest problem is lethal radiation, followed by degradation of vision, and bone loss
FYI Despite what Pink Floyd may say, the moon does not have a 'dark' side; it's entire surface receives the same amount of light over a month, say.
No need to thank me.😁
"dark" in this sense doenst mean the absence of light but rather how little we know of the far side of the moon, since its tidally locked. meaning, from earth, we only ever see the same face of the moon
6months - 2years with Hoffman manouver
Simple and good enough answer
Between 29 to 32 hours depending the time of the year.. yes trip to Mars from Earth
So amazing about this even though it won't be for awhile
What about calcium(our bones)deteriorating once out of earth's gravitational pull?
Mars probably has enough gravity to keep humans reasonably healthy for 2-3 years.
@@dannygjk yup
Notice the pipes and connections on the Musk engine. Nothing could go wrong there on a 35 million mile trip.
Water inside the aircraft material will allow to shield humans from radiation.
To answer your question with current scientific standards , Aboard the space station, the use of hydrogen-rich shielding such as polyethylene in the most frequently occupied locations, such as the sleeping quarters and the galley, has reduced the crew's exposure to space radiation.
They can't even build a settlement on the Moon. Why?
Because the Moon is made of Blue Cheese.
I always thought I heard them say it would take six months to reach Mars from Earth.
At those top speeds will the space craft be able to slow down enough to prevent “over shooting mars” also what is something goes wrong, will there be enough fuel? Also 9 months with the same people everyday 24/7 plus the time at mars assuming they get there. How will they all get along and what about health issues along the way? Food? Oxygen? Bathroom breaks? Hygiene? Exercise? These are all questions you can not answer for with certainty. They better have a long list of specifics legal documents to sign, lives will be on the line. I sure wouldnt want that on my conscious. Ill be watching 👍
This whole damn presentation could be presented in one sentence. Nine months to two years depending on several factors is the answer
I hate to tell you, but you're wrong on one thing. Neither Venus nor Mars are the statistically the closest planet to Earth. I know it's surprising, but Mercury spends more time closer to Earth than either of the other 2. You can see this quite clearly if you look at a video of the planets of the solar system in motion.
❤️❤️❤️ beautiful video ❤️❤️❤️
We should definitely not use the metric system to get to Mars. It makes even further away.
Starship is someones coffin.